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main...@my-deja.com

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Sep 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/19/00
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Dear friends,

Just so you know, one of our most tragic incidents have finally come to
a close. They found Bao Lor's body buried in a swamp. They've made the
identification already. As you all may remember, she was killed by her
husband who then killed himself leaving all their children as orphans.
Her husband left a letter saying that he has put her where no one will
ever find her and that she will never have a proper burial, but there is
a God and She led two boys and their dog to Bao Lor. Bao is now found
and will have a proper burial. The injustice we Hmong women endure at
the hands of our Hmong men is unspeakable, friends. I ask myself every
day, if we Hmong women cannot depend on those closest to us (those who
share our blood, our genes, our history, our homes, and our children) to
protect us, then who can we depend on? We Hmong women travel a lonely
road. We must learn to stand up for one another now. We must come to
realize our lot as women.

On a side note, Fu Heu is now attempting to sell Maria's house to defend
himself. He has no right to this house as it now should pass on to the
three daughters who will need the money since they are parentless. I
hope prosecutors work hard to stop Fu's actions. First he takes her life
and now her home to defend himself? Is there no justice in this world?
Somebody keep us updated, please.

Mai Na


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Chi Smith

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Sep 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/19/00
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here we go again....in order for Maina to talk about justice...she must understand what justice is first...i'm sure it's wrong for the women be killed, but lets look at the causes...i'm sure Maina has no clue on what the causes are (neither do i, but do i shit around like she does??) quav tsw tog twg tuaj twb tsi paub, ua cas yuav tsab txhiaj ua luaj?
 
yaweh

main...@my-deja.com

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In article <000701c023db$30afa000$03c8c8c8@david>,

dccengi...@citlink.net ("Chi Smith") wrote:
>
> here we go again....in order for Maina to talk about justice...she
must =

> understand what justice is first...i'm sure it's wrong for the women
be =

> killed, but lets look at the causes...i'm sure Maina has no clue on
what =

> the causes are (neither do i, but do i shit around like she does??)
quav =

> tsw tog twg tuaj twb tsi paub, ua cas yuav tsab txhiaj ua luaj?
>
> yaweh

I've ignored this Chi Smith for three years on this forum. I'm not
going to waste my time on him, but just so you know, women, stay away
from men like this Chi Smith. You can tell an abusive men ten thousand
miles away. He thinks he has the right to tell women what to think, what
to say, and how to say it all the time. And he's been telling women what
to think and what to say for all these years since SCH existed. This is
the hallmark of a potentially abusive man. You don't believe me,
marry him as a second wife and you'll see. Note that he even calls
himself by God's name? I rest my case. Learn to spot abusive men and
save yourself lots of trouble in the long run. When someone thinks he's
God, that should be a warning sign.

Good luck to all women out there and may God help his poor wife.

Neeb

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Sep 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/19/00
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Regardless of what the woman had done to their relationship, killing her
was not justified the cause. Only cowardice pursue such action. I
totally disagree on a notion that nothing wrong for Hmong men to fool
around with other women but everything wrong if Hmong women do the same.
If you men can not stand watching your woman flirting/talking/fooling
around with other men then respect your relationship.

Believe me, with Hmong temperament, if a Hmong woman would have killed
her husband for fooling around with other women, the clan of the husband
would have her "tiag qab nees/hleb kiag". It happened in the past?

Be civilized and learn to let things go.

n

> here we go again....in order for Maina to talk about justice...she
must =
> understand what justice is first...i'm sure it's wrong for the women
be =
> killed, but lets look at the causes...i'm sure Maina has no clue on
what =
> the causes are (neither do i, but do i shit around like she does??)
quav =
> tsw tog twg tuaj twb tsi paub, ua cas yuav tsab txhiaj ua luaj?
>
> yaweh

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Vo Lee

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Sep 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/19/00
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Normally I would not respond to these kind of postings, but I think that Mai
Na has crossed the line here in giving us, or at least me, the sense that
non-Hmong men don't know how to abuse, and only Hmong men do. Please, if
anyone is going to convince another, s/he has to approach the argument
without generalizations like these. Look at the whole picture, not just a
little part of it.

V. Lee

keej...@my-deja.com

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Sep 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/19/00
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i am so glad her body has been found. maina, no one in this world can
ever depend on other. it happens to all race, not just hmong men. if you
want a statistical data. other races may have more data on the list then
our hmong. since we are small community, one minor issue can spread all
over town, and it seems like a moster for us. just trust your mind and
walk on the right path, then nothing should ever occur to you...smile
and peace for hmong.

keejtshaj

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B. Xiong

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Sep 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/19/00
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Kuv pom thiab hnov tej teebmeem ua peb hmoob tua pojniam no, ua rau tus
tsis paub coj hneeg no mas nyos xwb, tabsis tus paub coj hneeg no
nyuaj siab thiab hlub lawv nkawg. Kuv thiab kuv tsevhneeg thov xas los
lus hlub pub rau fwj hawj tsev hneeg vim nws yog wb ib tus phooj ywg nyob
ntuj
qub qab. Qhov tseeb thiag, lub sijhawv, lubneej tamsis no peb hmoob tsis
tod taub zoo
txhog lub neej txojsia. Qhov uas peb hniaj hnub chim tsis muaj kev
thamyeeb, nyob nrog txoj kev txomyem siab vim peb xav kom txua yam hauv
lub ntaij teb no mus lis yus lub siab xav tau. Uas qhov tseeb thiag yeej
mus tsis tau li ntawd. Lub ntaijteb mus deb lawm yuav uas cas thiaj yuav
mus li yus ntshaw xwb, nws
yuav tsum mus raws lub caijnyoos lub ntaijteb tab tom mus. Phab Phuv chaub
qhia ib los tias, txwv lub hnub tsis pub tawm tuaj kub yus yuav
txwv tsis tau, tabsis txwv yus lub siab kom txhob txomyem thaum tshaj
kub yus txwv tau. Txwv kom yus tus pojniam mus tham hmoob txwv tsis tau,
tabsis txwv yus lub siab kom txhob
txomyem nkawg nkawg thau nws hloov saib ntawd yus mus hlub lwv tus yus ua
tau pua yog. Ib yam
li,txwv hnag yus txwv tsis tau, tabsis nkos yus lub siab kaj lug thaum tiv
hnag yus ua tau. Yog li no yog peb coj hmoob nkos yus lub siab kom zoo kom
paub qhov tseeb kev ua
hneeg, peb yuav tsis txomyem siab. saib kev ua hneeg kom tseeb,tebmeem
tuaj los yuav pom tseeb, yus yuav keb tau tsis tsau nrog kev nyuaj siab.
Thiaj tsos tau yam ua nws yog yus thug ib
zaug tabsis nhub no yuav dlau mus ua lwv tus thug mus, kuv hais li no,
nej yuav muaj coob tus txivneej hmoon ua kuv hnov los hais tias, ua
tau yoojyim heej lawm, pojniam yog kuv li, mus muaj hluag nkawg
tuag. Txawm
tus pojniam,tustxiv, yus ob niamtxiv ua neej los muaj nyiaj, muaj vaj
muaj tsev zoo los yog koj totaub zoo Knoos txua yam uas tsis
yog yus cev qaij, daim tawv, txojsia, tsis yog yus li mus ib txim. Tabsis
txawj yus tsis muaj nws hnub no los yog tsis tuag nriav tau dua
tshiab. Kuv paub tias tej teebmeem uas peb hmoob tua tua tej pojniam no,
yog raug leej thwg los yuav mob, tabsis tsis tsim nyos yuav txos tus ntawd
txojsia es koj yuav tau zoo. Yeem ua phem yeem tau qhov phem tsis muaj
hnub tau zoo. Tus npaj nws lub siab ua zoo thiaj yuav ua tau zoo xwb, tus
ntawd, nyiaj nws tsis muaj los nws tau zoo, nws muaj kev kaj siab. Muab
nyiaj los yuav los yuav tsis tau. los lus nkawg, ncos ntsoov peb xaiv los
yug ua hneeg peb xaiv tsis tau, tabsis peb xaiv ua hneeg zoo peb xaiv tau.

Hlub tshua,

Brushoff2

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Sep 20, 2000, 12:51:34 AM9/20/00
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>Dear friends,
>
>Just so you know, one of our most tragic incidents have finally come to
>a close. They found Bao Lor's body buried in a swamp. They've made the
>identification already. As you all may remember, she was killed by her
>husband who then killed himself leaving all their children as orphans.
>Her husband left a letter saying that he has put her where no one will
>ever find her and that she will never have a proper burial, but there is
>a God and She led two boys and their dog to Bao Lor. Bao is now found
>and will have a proper burial. The injustice we Hmong women endure at
>the hands of our Hmong men is unspeakable, friends. I ask myself every
>day, if we Hmong women cannot depend on those closest to us (those who
>share our blood, our genes, our history, our homes, and our children) to
>protect us, then who can we depend on? We Hmong women travel a lonely
>road. We must learn to stand up for one another now. We must come to
>realize our lot as women.
>
>On a side note, Fu Heu is now attempting to sell Maria's house to defend
>himself. He has no right to this house as it now should pass on to the
>three daughters who will need the money since they are parentless. I
>hope prosecutors work hard to stop Fu's actions. First he takes her life
>and now her home to defend himself? Is there no justice in this world?
>Somebody keep us updated, please.
>
>Mai Na
>
>
>

Thanks for the info....and let me ask you this????? What made you think we all
men are just as bad as those bad apples? One bad apple is hard enough for us
to swollow, don't you think so? You don't need to tell those women how to run
and hide, cause first thing they wanna to be treated and love that way. With
all of these killings, don't you think we are all mature enough to understand
what the out come is? Secondly, you can teach but you are not the preacher.
Third, I would just sit back, relax, and say "Hell" hope this will not happen
in my family. Honey, don't blabbling to much, it makes your breath stinks.
Just brushoff, learn, and prevent the out come of your personal life that is
all. ......lol.....

BABYFALL

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Sep 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/20/00
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Poj niam Hmoob yuas poj niam Hmoob cas yuav yws taus ua luaj. Ib los los tias
txiv neej Hmoob phem. Ob los los tias txiv neej Hmoob phem. Es nej cov poj niam
Hmoob no niam tsis pom txiv neej Hmoob qhov zoo li. Twb yog peb cov txiv neej
Hmoob hlub hlub nej cov poj niam Hmoob no dhau hwv lawm es thaum nej muab peb
push against the wall, peb ua li cas los ua tsis tau. Peb hu cov niag police
kas kas no los lawv tsis pab peb li es thaum kawg nej thiaj li poj dab thiab
mus ua dab lawm ntag. Thov tsis txhob siab phem phem rau peb cov nyuag txiv
neej Hmoob me me no thiab nawb. Yog nej tseem pheej coj nej cov siab muas lwj
kas li nej mas tseem yuav poj dab ntau ntxiv xwb. Tsis yog yuav tas rau Fwj
thiab Bao Lor nkaws case lawm xwb. Love makes you blind. When you're blind, you
can kill. Yog paub hais tias coj nej tuaj txog rooj teb no es nej tseem nej
hnub yuav raws Kas mus tseg peb no ces kuj yees tsis txhob khiav Nplog teb tuaj
es nyob twj ywm Nplog teb cia Nyab Laj txeeb nej ntawm peb lawm los yuav tsis
khib npaum li Kas txeeb. Luag tej laus hais tias KHIAV NAB NTSIB QAV no mas
ntshai zaum no yog peb Hmoob lauj. Peb mas khiav NAB tuaj ntsib NYAV.

Qhov no yog qhov kuv xav xwb thov tsis txhob khib thiab raug leej twg.

BF

B. Xiong

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Sep 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/20/00
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nco ntsoov kuv coj lus, txhuas yam uas peb niaj hnub tshaw, es nkwv nkwv
kom tau los uas yus thug, los tus hneeg yus hlub hlub,tabsis tsis yog yus
cej qiaj daiv tawv, nws nyob ib ntus xwb los ib vuag xwb yuav dlau
mus. Yog koj tseem muaj txoj sias, koj yeej yuav nriav tau dua. Tus ua
phem yeej yuav txomyem ib hnub thiaj tas. Txua yam
phem uas tshwm nyob hauj yus lubneej yog los ntawd neeg lub siab phem xwb.
Kuv twb hais tas lawv yus yuav txwv kom tus pojniam uas yus hlub hlub
txhob mus tham hluag los txwv tsis tau, tus pojniam txwv tus txiv los kuv
ntsees tias tsis tau ib yam nkaus, tabsis txwv yus lub siab kom txob chim
txhog tua nws tau, yuav tsum ua tau. Kuv yeej tsa taub tes rau coj pojniam
hmoob ntau dua, vim nyob los tau ib nrabneeg no pojniam nko lawv lub siab
tau zoo thiab thajyeej dua txivneej hmoob. Nyob ntuj qub qab, tus txiv
yuav mus yuav niam yau los tus pojniam nyob ua tej mesnyuam niam mus laus
nkwb nkoos. Muaj qees leej tus txiv tsis hlub muab ncais, los nrauj los
lawv yeej tsis mus yuav dua txiv nyob nrog tej mesnyuam lau nkwb nkoos,
kuv xav tias peb muaj coob tus yeej muaj niam
txiv lubneej zoo li no. txiv neej hmoob ua tau li no nej thiaj yog tus zoo
thiab muab kev ncaj ncees. Love makes you blind, and kill, that's
not a real love then, TRUE LOVE, should be the other opposite, hlub thiag,
yuav tau tsos hluag
mus thau luag tsis muaj hlub nrog yus lawv, hlub thiag yuav tau sam lub
txim, hlub thiag tsis muaj toj thaug leej thwg tau lub siab thiaj kaj
nrig.
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