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Hmong-Lao

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Nov 14, 2011, 11:22:50 AM11/14/11
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Cov phoojywg,
Thaum peb tseem yau, peb tos Hmoob lub Tsiab-30 mas tos npaum li cov
menyuam niam no tos Chrismas thiab tos Halloween ntag. Tabsis peb cov
menyuam niaj hnub no twb yuav luag tsis paub hais tias Tsiab-30 yog
dabtsi lawm. Peb yuav tau nrhiav tej lub tswvyim tshiab los ntxias kom
peb tej metub menyuam muaj siab tos ntsoov Hmoob lub Tsiab-30 cuag
nkaus li lawv tos Chrismas thiab tos Halloween mas Hmoob lub Tsiab-30
thiaj li yuav tsis ploj mus ib txhis.

Nej xam pom hais tias peb yuav ua li cas?

HL
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tou

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Nov 14, 2011, 2:01:15 PM11/14/11
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Cov kwvtij hmoob yom,
Phoojywg HL yeej hais yog lawm, kuv tus kheej kiag twb yeej tau khiav
hmoob cov tsiab 30 nos los lawm ntau2 xyoo lawm. Qhov kuv pom thiab
tejzaum twb muaj tus ua tau lawm thiab.
Niam nos kuv pom mas zoo lis s/d siab meme tas kev lawm, los pua yog
ua tsis haum s/d tej siab lawm, zoo lis cias li muab 3hmoob lub tsiab
30 no coj ua kev lag kev luam thiab nrhiav nyiaj rau personal lawm.
Kuv xav mas nyob lis CA, MN, WI thiab NC mas yuav tsum muaj qhov
standard rau peb s/d kawm.
1. Yuav tsum muab peb lub tsiab 30 los yog lub xyoo tshiab no los ua
lub kom loj tiam sis tsis pub coj los ua fundraising cuam tshuam, cov
thawj coj koomhaum yuav tsum mus nrhiav nyiaj kom txaus coj los ua lub
tsiab 30 los yog lub xyoo tshiab, mas yus yuav tsum control every
thing kom mus raws yus tus policy noj xyoo tshiab thiab 30 hmoob
tiag2.
2. S/d yuav tsum npaj ua yam lis 3hmoob ib txwm ua los, hnav khaub
ncaws hmoob, pojniam thiab txiv neej tib sis, tub hluas ntxhais hlua,
every body yuav tsum tau hnav tsoo tsho hmoob kom tas. This is a must.
3. Yuav tsum tuaj muaj kev diag qaib "pov ob" rau txhua tus thiab hais
khwv txhiaj.
4. Cov coj yuav tsum yog cov ua ntej kiag mas thiaj tau.
5. Txua yam hmoob lis txujci yuav tau ua tawm cov cov menyuam paub.
6. S/d txhua xeem yuav tsum tau los sibkoom.
tseem tshuav ntau2 yam nej hos txuas txiv mus...

All4One

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Nov 14, 2011, 2:42:23 PM11/14/11
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HL,
Great question and I'm glad you ask. The problem is NOT our children
lack of understanding of what Hmong New Year is or why they don’t look
forward
to their own tradition. The REAL problem lies within our community’s
leaders, those who we call, thawj Coj Noj Coj Ua, who failed time and
time again to maintain TRADITION on a coherent manner.
What do I mean by coherent? Look around you...have you ever seen other
people who celebrate their ONLY tradition out of date every year?
Kuv
pom peb Hmong thiab li ua li no xwb. How are we going to RAISE a
generation of Hmong kids that would understand and give RESPECT and
have the same
appreciation for their tradition like Christmas? You do realized that
Christmas falls on the 25th of December every year, right? Now tell
me
what day/month does Hmong NY falls under? Hard to pin point an exact
date, huh?
Until Hmong "leaders" can come together and work out a COHERENT day
for ALL to adhere and celebrate our HN....don’t blame our innocent
kids that they don’t look forward to our tradition like they do with
their mainstream holidays.

Jim



kwvtijhmoob

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Nov 14, 2011, 3:09:31 PM11/14/11
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On Nov 14, 10:22 am, Hmong-Lao <Hmlao...@hotmail.com> wrote:

py hmong lao-- people who live in different society eat, act, live and
think differently. peb cov thaum ub mas tos li peb tos tos tsiab 30
tas zog los vim lub tsiab 30 yog lub sij hawm rau sawvdaws los nyob so
ntawm txoj kev khwv iab khwv daw, los sib ntsib, sib tham, sib pom,
tua tsiaj txhu noj, nrhiav tus hlub, etc.. lub society niam no tsis
yog li ntawd lawm.

qhov nej yuav ua tau kom neej tos tos li peb yav thauv ces seb nej
puas muab tau 1 leeg $100 pub dawb ntawm qhov rooj xwb.

idonotknow

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Nov 14, 2011, 4:39:27 PM11/14/11
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ib co lus sau hauv no yeej zoo siv nyog lawm. tshuav ib yam ua tseem ceeb heev uas hmoob ua tsis tau 30 kom ncaj ib lub hnub thiab ib xyoo ib zaug xwb thiab kom txhob yog lam luam . raws li kuv tug nyuag khuaj no pom mas yog
lub teb chaws thiab thaj chaw yuav siv los ua 30. yam kuv haiv daim av no yo lub teb chaws ua yog hmoob tug) lub niag ntuj loj li loj yog 25 txhiab miles los yog 40 txhiab kilometers. loj npaum li ntawd los tsis muaj ib qo yog hmoob tug li lawm. tam sim no yuav siv chaw 30 ces mus lawm tom mab sua tej chaw loj dav xwb ces yog nyiaj ntau thawj xwb cov leader los ham tsi xav tau nyiaj mus them lub chaw ua tsis txhob yog ro tawm hauv nws hnab tshos mus them pub rau txhiab txhiab tus neeg mus koom lub 30 dawb do. tam sim no yog peb taw tes raub ib tug hmoob millionaire tias pub nws yog leader kom nws them lub chaw siv ua 30 kom dawb dawb ib ob xyoo tsis lam muaj tus kam li os.


thaum muaj qib saud lawm peb tsuas yog yuav tau los koom siab siv ib hom caledar ces peb yuav paub zoo tias hnub twg yog xyoo tshiab. lub 30 mas yog vim ib hli muaj 30 hnub lub 12 hli hmoob hnub 30 yog hnub/hmo uas hli ploj tsaus nti tsis tshuav ib qho me me li lawm. vim hmoob siv lub hli/moon los ua yam uas suav/count lub sij hawm vim lub hli mas nws txawj pauv uas siv muag dawb los pom thiab paub tau tias hnub twg hli xiab li cas lawm thiab hmo twg hli nqig li cas lawm lo tus saib dua ib ntus ces paub zoo.hmo 30 ces hli ploj 15 ces hli puv puv nra lug taug kev tsis siv teeb los yog nqa tsau hmo ntuj los tau. yam calendar no mas yog hom yooj 8 tshaj li tsis tas yuav muab luam tej daim ntawv loj loj los lo rau tim phaj ntsa los yeej paub. yog thaum muaj nqe 1 lawm crs nyiam kom li cas los tau xwb mas.

dony

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Nov 16, 2011, 12:07:14 AM11/16/11
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Tou,

hais txog koj nqi lus #1 mas mus tsis taus raws li kuv pom. Koj yuav
kom cov thawj coj mus nrhiav nyiaj no koj muaj tswv yim kom lawv mus
nrhiav qhov twg? Niaj hnub no nws tsis yog lub caij peb Hmoob pheej
yuav mus thov khawv lawm. Lub caij no yuav ua dab tsi los yeej yog
nyiaj. Tso tawb zis los yuav tau them nyiaj thiab tso quav tas yuav so
yus lub pob tw los yuav tsum them nyiaj. Nws tsis zoo li ua ntej xyoo
1975 lawm. Yog tsis ua fundraising tsis kom tej tub lag tub luam pab
ces yeej ua tsis tau. Luag tus Meskas uas ua tej fair los yeej kom tej
tub lag luam them thiaj ua tau.

#2 los yeej nyuaj vim cov los ua thawj coj los lawv tsis muaj nyiaj
hnub nyiaj hli. Kuv pom ntau zaus lawv yeej rho lawv nyiaj ua tab sis
yeej tseem tau ris Hmoob tej khawv yeej khawv yws thiab yeej tsis muaj
neeg pom lawv txoj kev khwv thiab kev txom nyem.....lam hais li no
xwb yog tsis muaj li kuv hais los thov muab kev zam txim nawb.....Dony

Hmong-Lao

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Nov 21, 2011, 10:19:39 AM11/21/11
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Cov phoojywg,
Nej txhua tus yeej hais yog lawm, hais tias peb yuav tau noj 30 kom
muaj caij thiab noj ua ke tib lub caij, thiab ua kom raws li Hmoob lub
Tsiab-30 uas tej poj koob yawm txwv ib txhis coj los. Qhov no, yeej
yog ib qho lawm ntag, tabsis yeej tseem tshuav qee yam uas peb yuav
tau tawm tswvyim tshiab ntxiv los rub kom tej pejxeem txhua level,
txhua lub hnubnyoog, txhua pabpawg, txhua hom kev ntseeg, txaus siab
hlo thiab npaj siab nroos ua npojntws tuaj koom lub Tsiab-30. Yam
ntawd yog dabtsi?

Cia kuv piav txog peb thaum tseem yau los mus rau thaum hluab seb yog
vim li cas peb thiaj li tos lub tsiab-30 ua luaj. Yeeb vim peb lub
neej yav ntuj qub qab, peb sawsdaws tsis muaj noj tsis muaj hnav, 1
xyoos 12 lub hlis twg mas tej niam tej txiv mam li ntxeem ntxeem
nrhiav tau ib leeg ib ce tsoos tsho tshiab los hnav, thiab mam li tau
noj qe kheej, tau noj nqaij, noj ncuav nplej ntsw suab thaj yam zoo
siab hlo. Hos thaum ho loj tiav nkauj tiav nraug lawm los peb yeej
tseem muaj txoj kev tos tib yam nkaus, thaum no mas peb ho tos ntsoov
lub caij uas niam thiav txiv tso cai rau peb mus pov pob nrog yus tus
hluas nkauj los hluas nraug. Lub sijhawm no, nkawm hluas nkauj hluas
nraug mas muaj kev ywjpheej tshajplaws. Yeebvim peb muaj txoj kev tos
li no, ib xyoos dhau ib xyoos, los txog rau thaum peb laus ces nws
rais ua ib qho tradition uas peb yuav nco ntsoov ua lawm.

Tabsis peb co me tub me nyuam lub neej pauv tag lawm, lawv muaj noj
muaj hnav thawm niaj thawm xyoo, lawv muaj txoj kev ywj pheej tham
hluas nkauj hluas nraug, tseem muaj new tech (phone & Internet) los
ntxiv lawv tibsi. Ces lawv thiaj li tsis tos lub Tsiab-30 li peb phaum
tos tos lawm. Tabsis txawm li ntawd los peb yeej tseem pom hais tias
lawv cov yau mas tos ntsoov Halloween thiab Chistmas, hos cov hlob zog
lawm os lawv yeej tseem tos ntsoov Christmas. Qhov lawv tos tos no,
vim cov yau tos ntsoov txog hnub yuav mus thov qhobnoom thaum
Halloween, hos tsis hais tus hlob los tus yau, tos khoom plig (toys,
clothes etc...) thaum Christmas. Kuv xav hais tias, lub tswvyim tau
khobnoom dawb thiab tau khoom plig los ntawm niam thiab txiv no zoo
siv los draw interests rau peb cov menyuam thiab cov hluas/laus lub
neej yav tom ntej no, kom peb qov tradition Tsiab-30 tsis txhob ploj
hauv tej me tub me nyuam lub sib mus.

Note: Tejyam kev lomzem (sports, games, entertainment) ua peb niaj
hnub ua no yeej puav leej zoo lawm, peb tsuas rhawv qee yam tshiab
ntxiv kom hajyam zoo lawm xwb.

HL

Tony

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Nov 25, 2011, 6:14:41 AM11/25/11
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Peb tuaj nyob losyog yug rua huv lub tebchaws Meskas nuav ces peb cov
kws "tuaj" ua npau-suav pum qhov luj kuas peb muaj le "luas" muaj,
"thanksgiving & x-mas." Le kws peb twb paub lawm, nwg yog haiv le.
Tej mivnyuas kws "yug" pum le Meskas pum xwb, puab tsi ua npau-suav
lawm.

Noj 30 yog ib yaam kws cov laug "ua kevcai" kuas paub xaus xyoo laug
es txaisyuav xyoo tshab tuaj xwb. Lub neej ibtxwm coj (tradition)
ntawd yeej zoo lawm. Qhov txawv ces yog peb tsi yog "tswv tebchaws"
ces peb xaiv tsi tau lub sibhawm kuas moog lawv le peb nyam. Qhov zoo
yuavthooj ces peb siv "thanksgiving & x-mas" lug noj 30. Rua ntawm
peb ces yog 30. Rua ntawm cov mivnyuas ces yog "fair" xwb.

Saib moog le mej sau hab kuv sau ces peb sispauv sibhawm, caij, hab
tug txheejtxheem ntawm pebMoob lub neej lawm:

1. Tej thawj siv nyaj ces kawg qhov kws puab yuavtau nrhav nyaj
uantej-qhovntawd ces tej tub laagluam tuaj es txhajle yuav muaj
tuabneeg tuaj yuavkhoom.
2. Tub laagluam tuaj-muagkhoom hab khwv nyaj, ces puab lub naab yeej
yuav su xwb.
3. PebMoob, tej pejxeem kws moog saib lub tsab 30, fair, ces pum
tuabneeg, yeebyaam, zaubmov, khoomsiv.

Yog peb saib tuabneeg ces tsi poob nyaj (qhov tseeb ces peb twb then
nqe qhovrooj lawm)
Yog peb saib yeebyaam ces peb zoo-sab rua lub caij ntawd xwb.
Yog peb yuav mov noj ces peb tsaus plaab rua lub sibhawm ntawd xwb.
Yog peb yuav khoom ces peb tau coj moog siv le ib ob hlis tomqaab.

Nwg nuav, kuv moog noj 30 (kuv moog yuav mov noj hab yuav yaam puav
khoom)

Kuv tseem yuav moog noog saibseb tej hluas moog ua dlaabtsi, tej thawj
ua 30 yog dlaabtsi, hab tej tub laagluam muag khoom es ho yog dlaabtsi
hab.

DownUnder

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Nov 25, 2011, 7:30:55 AM11/25/11
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Nyob zoo xyoo tshiab to all!!!

Hmong-Lao has made a very good point.. Today, we have our Hmong New
Year in Oz... and I am still looking for one of my son... as he forgot
or did not know that today is THE DAY!!! So... as the years gone by,
New Year has less and less meaning to the young ones.. Are we heading
for.....?

For some of us, it is a busy time... eg. 2 days ago... had to Uaneeb
xav qhua neeb mus noj tshiab...

Then today... lwm suj...at 6pm..with half of the Melbourne Folks at my
place...

Just finished huplig xyoo tshiab...
and Txi Xwmkab....

Then tomorrow morning... need to get up early to prepare for Offering
to the Ancestors (ntov pob-ntoo)...

And on this coming Sunday... yuav tau UaNeeb mus tos Qhua neeb rov qab
los.... So.. it is quite a busy schedule for some of us...


du

Tony

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Nov 25, 2011, 3:48:07 PM11/25/11
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Kuv nyavnyuas moog ncig saib Moob Noj Pebcaug (NC) lug. Kuv them nyaj
nkaag qhovrooj $3.00 rua ib tug tuabneeg. Kuv yeej tau tej dluab
ntawm tej tsev muag khoom, zaubmov noj, chaws muag insurace, icecream
truck. Dlhau ntawd kuv yeeg tau cov txivneej ncawm pob kaavtheej, cov
txhais ntau pob rojmaab, cov txivneej ntau tublub, hab cov tub ncaws
pob rojmaab. Ntxiv rua tej ntawd, kuv kuj yeeg tau qhov chaw kws puab
sistw ntxhais nkaujntsuab (pav txug tug txheejtxheem, cov saib hab
ntausnqe rua cov ntxhais zoonkauj, tug saib txuj kev ncaajnceeg (rule
of the competition), hab thawj tug txhais tawm tuaj ntsib cov tuabneeg
kws tuaj saib hab tuaj ntausnqe.

Kuv kuj yeej tau chaav tsev kws cov ntseeg tuaj ua dlej pub rua
suavdlawg haus dlawb hab pav Vaajtswv txujlug rua suavdlawg yog hastas
puab xaav paub (feem ntau, puab lug muab dlej moog haus dlawb xwb).
Kuv kuj noog nwg saibseb lub tsab pebcaug yog le caag rua Moob hab
puab qhov ministry ntawd ho yog dlaabtsi hab. Tsab 30 ces yog chaw
sissau tuaj uake rua lub caij su. Huas lub ministry yog faib Vaajtswv
txuj kevhlub moog pub rua cov kws tsi tau paub kuas puab ho lug paub
Vaajtswv xwb.

Kuv kuj yeeg tau ib tug tub dlha num txug lub tsab 30 hastas, 1. nwg
yog le caag rua Moob, hab 2. lub tsab 30 yog le caag rua nwg. Tsab 30
ces yog xaa xyoo laug moog kuas tej kws nyob dlhau lug lawm ntsej tsi
nov muag tsi pum. Nawm nwg tugkheej yog lub caij rua tej tubntxhais
tuaj moog sisntsib.

Kuv kuj noog ib tug tub laagluam, 1. tsab 30 yog le caag rua Moob, hab
2. kev laagluam ho yog le caag rua huv lub tsab 30 yog ib lub chaw rua
pebMoob sisntsib ib xyoos ib zag. Tsis taag le ntawd xwb, tsab 30 kuj
yog ib qhov chaw ua laagluam rua cov tub laagluam hab. Txawm yog tsab
30 hab tsi yog los puab yeej ua laagluam. Yuav has txug qhov kws yog
ua le caag kev laagluam ho muaj rua huv lub tsab 30 kuj yog ib qho kws
yeej muaj sischaab sischaws le najnub nwg nuav. Txawmyog thau u tsi
muaj los txuj kev vaammeej caum cuag losyog pebMoob caum cuag txuj kev
vaammeej lawm ces laagluam hab tsab 30 yeej yuavtsum muaj sischaab
sischaws le ntawd.

Dlhau ntawd ces kuv yuav tau ib taig nqaj qab, nyuvntxwm Moob, nqaj
npuas, koojtis qab ntsawm peevchoj, kabyaub, tuav qaub, hab dlej
qaabzib. Taagnrho yog $44.00. Ntxiv $6.00 rua ntawm qhovrooj hab ces
nwg twb yog $50.00 lawm.
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