Is there a Hmong flag?

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Scooter

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Dec 21, 2000, 9:48:24 PM12/21/00
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I am teaching my second grade class about flags and have been searching
for a flag for Hmong, because I have a little Hmong boy. But I haven't
been able to find any. Is there a flag? Or is it with another country.
One teacher thought it was with the Cambodia flag but we are both
unsure. Thanks in advance!
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Dec 21, 2000, 10:28:35 PM12/21/00
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Dear Scooter,

Thank you for asking. The pain is killing me and I am short of breath
right now.

If you are serious about the flag, we don't have an official one, yet.
But I can refer you to an organization who I believe they have one
created. I have seen the flag and it has meaning to the Hmong culture.
It looks real attractive.

You know that we lost our country to the communist back in 1975, right?
Sad isn't it?

NkaujNyiag

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Neeb

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Dec 22, 2000, 10:45:41 AM12/22/00
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To be more appropriate, you should start with where were the
Hmong in the United States come from? Laos of course. The pre-1975
flag was different then post-1975.

n

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Scooter <scoo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

lajn...@my-deja.com

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Dec 22, 2000, 9:33:20 PM12/22/00
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Dear Scooter,

Thank you for the inquiry. To my knowledge, there is no single
nationally recognized Hmong flag at the present since the Hmongs have
resettled around the various continents of the world. Hmongs are not
Cambodians, and it is unlikely that Hmongs consider the Cambodia flag
to be their flag. However, because many Hmongs were originally from
Laos, some Hmongs do consider the Lao flag (depicting three elephant
heads) before the 1970s to be a symbol of their Laotian nationality.
But, there are differences between the Lao and Hmong people as well.
If you would like more information on Hmong, the following website have
useful links that may help:

http://www.hmongnet.org/

--Lajntxiag

loj...@my-deja.com

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Dec 23, 2000, 3:35:57 AM12/23/00
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I've seen a "Cob Fab" flag, but I don't think this represents the world
wide Hmong (althought it claims so). Why need a national flag when you
have no country? This sounds very conservative, but think about it.

Lojleeb

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feli...@my-deja.com

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Dec 23, 2000, 2:04:58 PM12/23/00
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Nkaujnyiag,

Tell me where to go for this flag. :) Is it the one with the "qeej" or
is it the one with the "xauv"?

Thanks.

Felix

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nkauj...@my-deja.com

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Dec 23, 2000, 2:14:59 PM12/23/00
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Sweetie, You already knew which is which. I guess you tell me.

Kuv lub qhov muag tsaus ntais thaum lawv nug li ntawd. Cia kuv ib leeg
xav xwb tau lawm.

NkaujNyiag

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tobe...@my-deja.com

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Dec 23, 2000, 6:19:48 PM12/23/00
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Plese tell your students that Hmong never have a flag represent
the whole nation and be recognize by other nation, such as the
USA national flag. And tell them to adopt or accept and respect
the flag of the country in wich they live.

Although We do have many flags represent many Hmong group,
such as Chao fa and other group that not well known. Each group
tend to claim that their flag represent the Hmong national flag, none
have been recognize by every Hmong and other nation.

mrle...@my-deja.com

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Dec 26, 2000, 2:44:29 AM12/26/00
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This flag has not been officially recognized through out other
countries but I am pretty sure the U S and China is aware of such an
existance. It was genuinely created by a 100% Hmong and has not been
used by anyone in the world. The site is blow:

http://www.looksmart.com/r?page=/search/frames/index.html&isp=US&name=&
bcolor=ffcc00&key=Hmong+flag&url=http%3a//www.hmongnet.org/culture/hmon
gflag.html&pskip=&nskip=10&se=0,1,108&index=2

http://www.looksmart.com/r?page=/search/frames/index.html&isp=US&name=&
bcolor=ffcc00&key=hmong+flag&url=http%3a//allstates%2dflag.com/fotw/fla
gs/la%2dhmong.html&pskip=&nskip=10&se=0,1,108&index=3

Thanks.

Tom

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Scooter <scoo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

mrle...@my-deja.com

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Dec 26, 2000, 2:56:15 AM12/26/00
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Excuse me for the past. Here is the easy corrected link:

http://www.hmongnet.org/culture/hmongflag.html


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nkauj...@my-deja.com

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Dec 26, 2000, 8:41:11 AM12/26/00
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Marlee,

Good research, but I don't think the flag you post has any real meaning
to the hmong. As you can see, not just hmong are spread through out the
world. All races and ethnic groups are everywhere. The sun, the stars
and the moon belongs to all nations,races, and all of the living
creatures. I also learn from Felix that there is another flag with the
"xauv"as a symbol. I apologize to felix for not responding to his
question appropriately. The xauv can not be represent us, hmong
whatsoever. The xauv is for Hmong prisoners only. Why we still want to
be marked as prisoner once we have our own country? I do agree and like
the one with the "Qeej". The qeej is a good one. Once you see the qeej,
you know that it is Hmong's qeej. The xauv comes second but I don't
like something refer us as prisoners.

My opinion only.

NkaujNyiag

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ChaV

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Dec 26, 2000, 10:25:34 AM12/26/00
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I have seen all these mentioned flags before. First, I do give the
creators applaud for the job they have done. Clearly, these flags do
have a distinction. However, I have to say that the symbol(s) that
they have on these flags still don’t seem to represent the Hmong as a
Nation. The ones with the “Xauv and Qheej” seem to represent more of
our culture rather than a Nation. My guess is that these two flags
probably were meant to create as a representation of the Hmong of
culture, not as a nation. The one with the Moon, Star, Statutes, &
Arrows simply has too many symbols on it. It can be interpreted in
many ways.

To me, a flag that represents Hmong as a nation should be distinctive,
but simple. It should only have one symbol on it, a natural symbol,
not a cultural symbol. The most common natural symbol used for a
Nation or State is usually a Star. For the now, I guess we can use
anyone of the above. I have no problem with them. However, If we
should have a country or state. I would say the above ones are not
acceptable. This is just my opinion.

-Cha.

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Dec 26, 2000, 5:31:38 PM12/26/00
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Nkauj Nyiag and others,

What is the "qeej" mean to you? To me, the "qeej" is a symbol of
death, that's all. Although one might believe that it leads the dead
person's soul to hell, I just don't understand why one should honor
such a meaningless instrument as a hmong national symbol. Qeej ces tsuas
yog hais mus rau feem tuag lawm xwb os cov yawg.

nkauj...@my-deja.com

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Dec 27, 2000, 9:05:47 AM12/27/00
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Tongtso,

If you perceive from a different angle, you would see "qeej" as a
beautiful musical instrumental in the hmong culture. Qeej is not just
for using at the funeral. It can be used at many ocassions such as noj
peb cuag,dhia qeej and tshoob kos, according to the hmong elders.

Raws li kuv hnov tej laus hais mas qeej thiab nruas yog ib yam musical
instruments. Tabsi thaum hmoob tus huab tais tuag, hmoob thiaj coj los
tshuab pam tuag. Txij li thaum ntawd los, cia li muab ua li kev pam
tuag lawm xwb. Thaum kuv txiv tau tas sim neej, lawv tshuab qeej, ntau
nraus, tua phom thiab tshuab raj ncig tsev. Lawv hais tias yog ib tug
neeg laus tseem ceeb tau tas sim neej, lawv yuav tsum tshuab qeej ntaus
nruas, tua phom "tsa rog". Qhov no, yog ib yam neeg create xwb. Rab
qeej yog ib yam musical instrument ua peb pom kiag ces yeej paub hais
tias yog hmoob lawm.

Tabsi, yeej yog li koj hais, nws muab ua rau cov tuag ntau ces cia li
txias txias siab lawm. Kuv yeej ntshai ntshai lub suab qeej suab nruas
hmoob kawg li. Lub suab nyiav mas haj yam ua rau kuv txias siab, tsis
xav hnov kiag li.

NkaujNyiag

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drea...@my-deja.com

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Dec 27, 2000, 11:04:30 AM12/27/00
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Cov phooj ywg eh, raws li kuv mloog nej tham mas cas yuav hais mus hais
los tsis muaj qhov chaws kawg li....Yog li ntawv kuv thiaj xav hais
tias cia kuv los nrog nej sib cuam tshuam. Kuv xav nej sawv daws yuav
tsis xav li cas...

Back to the flag thing: Raws li kuv xav mas, peb nyob rau lub teb chaws
twg, tsim nyog peb yuav tsum tau fwm lub teb chaws ntawv tej kev li kev
cai...tsis hais tus chij los yog lwm yam...Feem ntau peb yog cov yug
nyob rau Lostsuas teb....Kuv tsis paub xyov nej xav li cas tiam sis kuv
tseem hu kuv ua neeg Lostsuas (Laotian). Kuv kuj tuaj tau ntau xyoo
rau lub tebchaws no lawm tiam sis tseem tsis tau mus txiav txim siab ua
neeg Asmeskas...Yog li ntawv kuv tseem yog ib tus Lostsuas citizen...

Tej zaum peb ntau tus yuav chim siab rau nplog liab uas tau ua phem rau
peb cov neeg tiam sis qhov ntawv txiav tsis tau peb qhov citizenship
thiab ua ib tug neeg nplog...vim hais tias peb yug nyob rau lub
tebchaws nplog thiab loj hob nyob rau lub teb chaws ntawv...

My answer to Ms/Mr. Scooter is using the currently flag in Laos now.
If you want to take a brief look at it to see what it looks like go to:
http:\\www.laotian.com Or http:\\laoembassy.com\
Otherwise using the United States one if your student borned and raise
in this country.....Thank you very much...

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nkauj...@my-deja.com

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Dec 27, 2000, 12:21:12 PM12/27/00
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dream_00,

Zoo siab koj kam los cuam tshuam nrog peb. Koj hais mas yeej yog kawg
nkaus li lawm thiab muaj chaws mus heev. Peb nyob lub teb chaws twg,
peb yuav tsum hwm lub teb chaws ntawd. Qhov peb tau los sib tham no mas
tsis yog peb tsis respect lub teb chaws peb nyob. Ntawm kuv tus kheej,
kuv tu siab me me hais tias peb yog ib haiv hmoob, thaum luag nug txog
peb tus chij, peb teb tsis tau. Tsis yog kuv tu siab tag tag, tabsi nws
yog ib qho kev xav, rov hlub yus tus kheej (hmong) xwb. Hos phov peb
hais txog tus chij hmoob uas yuav siv yam ub yam no los ua, peb tsuas
hais tias "yog muaj" lub tebchaws los yog peb yuav design no peb yuav
siv tus zoo li cas thiaj zoo no xwb. Ua ib pab neeg, yuav tsum muaj
chaw cia siab thiab kev xav ho.

Peb hais txog tus flag no tsis muaj kev chim siab dabtsi rau nplog
liab. Peb ib pab hmoob tsuas los tham txog ib yam khoom tsim nyog peb
nrog luag muaj xwb, koj txhob xav yuam kev nawb, yuad? Nplog tus chij
ces yog cov hmoob nyob tebchaws nplog tau ntsia. Tsis txhob muab coj
los rau peb cov me nyuam hmoob tim no hais tias yog peb tus chij lawm
mog. Peb tus chij ces yog yuav hais li koj hais ces yog tus muaj 50 lub
hnub qub thiab 7 txoj kab liab thiab dawb lawm xwb os.

NkaujNyiag

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drea...@my-deja.com

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Dec 27, 2000, 3:12:50 PM12/27/00
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In article <92d8e2$hud$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

nkauj...@my-deja.com wrote:
> dream_00,
>
> Zoo siab koj kam los cuam tshuam nrog peb. Koj hais mas yeej yog kawg
> nkaus li lawm thiab muaj chaws mus heev. Peb nyob lub teb chaws twg,
> peb yuav tsum hwm lub teb chaws ntawd. Qhov peb tau los sib tham no
mas
> tsis yog peb tsis respect lub teb chaws peb nyob. Ntawm kuv tus kheej,
> kuv tu siab me me hais tias peb yog ib haiv hmoob, thaum luag nug txog
> peb tus chij, peb teb tsis tau. Tsis yog kuv tu siab tag tag, tabsi
nws
> yog ib qho kev xav, rov hlub yus tus kheej (hmong) xwb. Hos phov peb
> hais txog tus chij hmoob uas yuav siv yam ub yam no los ua, peb tsuas
> hais tias "yog muaj" lub tebchaws los yog peb yuav design no peb yuav
> siv tus zoo li cas thiaj zoo no xwb. Ua ib pab neeg, yuav tsum muaj
> chaw cia siab thiab kev xav ho.
>

Tus muam Nkaujnyiag, peb hmoob ces tsis txhob cia siab hais tias yuav
muaj ib lub tebchaws ua peb tug li so...Txoj kev npau suav ntawm koj
ces peb muaj pog thaum tseem nyob pem tuam choj es xyov los tau muaj
pes tsawg tiam neeg no lawm, tus npau suav ntawv yeej los tsis tau txog
li....

Kev Cia siab? Yog cia siab hais tias seb hnub twg mam muaj lub tebchaws
xwb ces....Ntawm kuv tus kheej tsis cia siab li....Tsis tas li ntawv
tsis yog hais lus thuam peb cov hmoob tiamsis...txawm hais tias peb tau
ib lub techaws tamsis no los ntseg peb hmoob yuav tsis tau ready os tus
muam es...raws li kuv ntsia na...

Hais txog ntawm tus chij: Peb yuav tsum tsi txhob exclude peb haiv neeg
hmoob los ntawm lub npe "Lostsuas los yog Laotian" Tsim nyuag peb yuav
tsum hais tias peb yog nplog tiam sis hais lus hmoob. Hauv lub techaws
Lostsuas muaj txog li ntawm 60 tawm haivneeg los yog ethnicities. Peb
hmoob nyuam qhuav yog 5 feem pua (5%) xwb....Raws li kuv saib, Peb
hmoob exclude peb tus kheej dhau heev lawm. Yog phij ua li no peb yuav
tsis haum cov neeg lostsuas...Tsis tas li ntawv, peb exclude peb tus
kheej ces tsis ua li cas tiam sis yog thaum luag cov neeg exclude or
Segregatepeb ces peb yuav hais tias yog luag tsis nyiam peb cov neeg...
(Discrimination).

Yog, yog hais tias tus me nyuam ntawv yug lub techaws no ces tsis tsim
nyog tus peb yuav los siv lwm lub techaws tus chij. Kuv xav hais tias
tej zaum tus phooj ywg Scooter tus me nyuam kawm ntawv yuav yog Yug
techaws Lostsuas los Yog Thaibteb tuaj.... Txawm li cas los, kuv muab
tham ntau dhau heev lawm. Mam sib txuas lus lwm lub sij hawm...

Kajsiab

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Dec 29, 2000, 10:09:01 AM12/29/00
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hmmmmm, ntsia nej tham xwb, twb hnov tusiab lawm na yuam hmoob aws! peb
yug qhov chaws twg ces cias li ua qhov ntawv xwb mas yuam? ntiaj teb no
luag lwm hom neeg muaj ciam dej ciam av tag, peb hmoob yuav mus lawm
qhov twg thiaj li yuav tu tau ciam-dej ciam av lawm na yuam. cov flag
nej hais tag los saum no yeej zoo tag nrog os mog. twb tsi tau muaj ib
tug---peb twb sib cav npaum lawm thiab, yog thaum tseem muaj thiab ces
peb tsi sib tua tuag tag li cov laus xwb naj....koj xav na yuam..smile!
peb hmoob cias li tusiab kiag es ua ib me siab hais tias, peb yeej tsi
muaj li lawm no os mog........yog peb tsi hlub cov pejxeem thiab cov
pluag ces, peb twb "txuam txoov" lawm zuj zus lawm os cov sch friends
aws. tsiv ntev ntom ntej no ces, yov peb cov me tub me nyuam puas paub
make lub hmoob speech lawm os mog........kua muag poob ntag--txhawj txog
hmoob lub neej tom ntej no, twb tsi yog yuav hais hmoob tu me flag xwb!

kajsiab

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end it takes the rest of your life,..here is my 2 cents"

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On Saturday, December 23, 2000 at 12:50:06 AM UTC-8, loj...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I've seen a "Cob Fab" flag, but I don't think this represents the world
> wide Hmong (althought it claims so). Why need a national flag when you
> have no country? This sounds very conservative, but think about it.
>
> Lojleeb
> You don't need a country to have a flag. A flag represents a people of a nation not just the country!! Why do people always think the flag belongs to the county only. It is the unifying symbol of the people of that country!!

AEON

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DURING MOST of our time before 1975 we were just came to be NO ONE in someone ELSE COUNTRY so we were NO PERMIT to raise a FLAG of our OWN. YEP YAJ SOOB LWJ taught a SET of HMONG ALPHABET along with raising a HMONG FLAG. GUESS WHAT? the place was BOMBED into dusts/ashes. after 1975 those of us who did NOT get AIR FLIGHT with GENERAL VANGPAO were left BEHIND when the COMMIE RED LAO CAME to POWER we were target for TERMINATION ehich mean we can NOT simply hand them our hand to be lock away in RE-EDUCATION CAMP so we RAN into the JUNGLE. when we were in the JUNGLE there was a SAUB (VANGKOUA) who knew what YANG SONG LUE' FLAG and he guided my father to CRAFT a HMONG FLAG just suitable for a CAUBFAB military rank FLAG. HERE'S WHAT it looks like

- it has 1 SUN &1 MOON
- it has 4 XOB/THUNDER on 4 corners
- it has 4 arrow shapes to represent LAIM XOB ( the thuner' WEAPONS)

- the main fabric was RED & the sign were ALL YELLOW.
check THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU-C5QJp7IQ
SAUB VANGKOUA VERSION that he guided my father to CRAFT looks like the one in this VDO EXCEPT this one in the VDO lacks LAIM XOB the thunder's WEAPONS. I GUESS Sub vangkoua version was for military leader upto rank GENERAL he said that's WHY it got WEAPONS too. I MISS MY CAUBFAB TIMES * TEARS FLOWING* *SNIFF* *SNIFF* *SNIFF* SAUB SAID the national VERSION will be larger but the design signs are in the same THEME. I HAD NOT SEEN the national VERSION but my father STILL got that flag here in USA. carefully fold and keot away.

it looks the same as the one in that YOUTUBE VDO the different is it got LAIM XOB to go with those thunderers at 4 corner. COMMIE fxhob zss CAUBFAB ov MAG XOB TUA NAWB. POS OO POOG! NTOS W NTWG9 ces COMMIE PW TWJ YWM 5 NTI LI LAWM mus 1 sim neej.

maith...@gmail.com

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