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Keeb Kwm Tsuv Rog Nyaab Laaj hab Moob ( FGVP ).
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Mouatony
Sep 15, 2011, 1:54:35 PM9/15/11
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Ib tsoom phoojywg Moob,
Thaum kuv noog Dr. Shoua Yang cov speech taag kuv xaav tas ua caag peb
Moob twb tau tuaj kawm txuj rua roojteb nuav tau 35 xyoo ua caag peb
tsi muaj ib tug HISTORIAN Moob lug, at least, sau txug FGVP tau coj
Moob ua tsuv rog paab Amelikas tiv thaiv Amelikas txuj kev tuag nyob
Naablaaj qaab teb tau 15 lub xyoo, since 1960-75, vim FGVP yog ib tug
muaj koob nto npe txug kev sib ntau sib tua. Cov tub kawm Drs tsua twg
taag lawm.
Yog muaj nuas xaav paub hab xaav yuav ib phau lug twm.
MT
Thaum kuv noog Dr. Shoua Yang cov speech taag kuv xaav tas ua caag peb
Moob twb tau tuaj kawm txuj rua roojteb nuav tau 35 xyoo ua caag peb
tsi muaj ib tug HISTORIAN Moob lug, at least, sau txug FGVP tau coj
Moob ua tsuv rog paab Amelikas tiv thaiv Amelikas txuj kev tuag nyob
Naablaaj qaab teb tau 15 lub xyoo, since 1960-75, vim FGVP yog ib tug
muaj koob nto npe txug kev sib ntau sib tua. Cov tub kawm Drs tsua twg
taag lawm.
Yog muaj nuas xaav paub hab xaav yuav ib phau lug twm.
MT
phwvnyawm
Sep 15, 2011, 2:04:15 PM9/15/11
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Npawg Mouatony,
Koj nug txog txiv Nai phoo phau ntawv mas xyov puas muaj neeg
sau......tau muaj 5 xyoo dhau los kuv twb nug kiag yawg tsev neeg cov
tub. Lawv hais tias nws muaj tus sau lawm,kuv yeej tos-s xav twm yawg
phau ntawv kawg tiag.....ntshai yuav yog daj lawm xwb lauj........yeej
tsim nyog cov doctors ib tug los sau kawg lawm laid.
Koj nug txog txiv Nai phoo phau ntawv mas xyov puas muaj neeg
sau......tau muaj 5 xyoo dhau los kuv twb nug kiag yawg tsev neeg cov
tub. Lawv hais tias nws muaj tus sau lawm,kuv yeej tos-s xav twm yawg
phau ntawv kawg tiag.....ntshai yuav yog daj lawm xwb lauj........yeej
tsim nyog cov doctors ib tug los sau kawg lawm laid.
txh2maj
Sep 15, 2011, 5:50:32 PM9/15/11
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personally i think that was false for claiming there were other already took on that task. no result nothing show up so i could only say that request was denied to hide secrets and prevent people to be so accurate. just keep people at the dizzy and unknown states.
much more power that way.
Txawj Xav
Sep 15, 2011, 6:10:28 PM9/15/11
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the reason is simple :VIM PEB HMOOB TXOJ KEV SIAB ME, and SIAB PHEM
TSIS KAM QHIA RAU LWM TUS".
Hmong just like this -- Hmong people never want to pass on any thing
to other -- so what. I heard that when GVP lub NTEES PLIG, some one
stole his scratch book and picture -- so may be the book might come
out after the next 50 years -- who know.
Peb ces txhob muaj, txhob paub thiaj li zoo.
Yog kuv lam yog VP mas kuv yeej cia sawv dwa sau kuv lub neej tiag --
just share profit ...
TX
tseemyeej
Sep 15, 2011, 6:24:57 PM9/15/11
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Bro. Mouatony,
On Sep 15, 10:54 am, Mouatony <muat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Moob twb tau tuaj kawm txuj rua roojteb nuav tau 35 xyoo ua caag peb
> tsi muaj ib tug HISTORIAN Moob lug, at least, sau txug FGVP tau coj
> Moob ua tsuv rog paab Amelikas tiv thaiv Amelikas txuj kev tuag nyob
> Naablaaj qaab teb tau 15 lub xyoo, since 1960-75, vim FGVP yog ib tug
> muaj koob nto npe txug kev sib ntau sib tua. Cov tub kawm Drs tsua twg
Qhov ntawm cov drs tsaug zug taag lawm ces tub vim yog thaum u mas yog
yus lawv tej num tej tswv qaab ces dlev tsis tum yug le nawj, yug yuav
sau phem zoo los tsuav tej hlub tas zoo ces zoo xwb. Huas nwg nuav mas
txhob laam lawv puab qaab, ntsiv dlev laam ntsab yug taus tsis ndluag
huav hahaha... Koj seb heev npaum yawm dlauvtawm pov xaivkob, suab tub
ntsag lawm hab niv. hahaha...Hos dlua le lwm tug drs. mas puab tsis
xaav dlaag Moob nav. Vim has tas, yog yuav sau kuas hum Moob sab ces
nwg tsis hum zaaj keebkwm lawm. For example; yog yuav sau tas "Muab
tsoj ntsha pua tebchaws" nuav mas yuavtsum pua tsua lub tebchaws Nplog
nkaus xwb, vim peb nrug Nplog nyob. Peb yuav form tsis tau ib tug
government within the government. Txhais tau tas, Moob nyob qaab
tswjfwm Nplog, tsis muaj teb muaj chaw ua Moob tug le sawv dlawg has.
Huas yog yuav has tas tau paab meskas le has hov ces txhais tau tas
yug ntxeev sab ua Nplog tug YeebNcuab lawm. Seb tej News has txug Moob
zag twg luas puab yeej remind tas Moob yog cov nam CIA remnants nuav.
Yog peb accept tas peb yog CIA remnants nuav ces peb yuav tsum mloog
Meskas txuj cai tswjfwm. Huas yog peb tas peb yog Nplog nuav ces luag
Meskas hab Nplog tub qheb kevphoojywg lawm ces dlej tub ndlwg taug ces
peb cas le nrug dlej ndlwg xwb, tsis taag yuav ua kis-s koos-s le.
Nub u, kuv moog saib hu SuabHmoobbroadcasting, qhib pum yawm Ted tau
interviewed yawm Locha Thao tas: " Nov tas cov Moob kws nrug
koj(Locha) tsaug txim hov tshev koj heev nuav puas muaj tseeb? Nwg
luag nyujnyaav hab teb tas "Tug kws yuav tshev mas yuav tsum yog nwg
tshev puab txhaj yog. Kuv yeej ib txwm tsis paub tej nuav, tub yog vim
puab cov laug haub kuv es kuv txhaj raug txim le hov ntaag."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no3hDgo-Ato
For some reason, this site has been removed by user.
Yog yug pheem lam tas puab lub zeb hu hov huv rag tsis ntse nuav, ua
le yug puas tau tsa muag saib seb puab lub zeb hu hov puas tau yaig?
Yog puab yeej huv-v yaig taag lawm ces tej zag tim yug tsis txawj huv
rag lawm.
TseemYeej.
On Sep 15, 10:54 am, Mouatony <muat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Moob twb tau tuaj kawm txuj rua roojteb nuav tau 35 xyoo ua caag peb
> tsi muaj ib tug HISTORIAN Moob lug, at least, sau txug FGVP tau coj
> Moob ua tsuv rog paab Amelikas tiv thaiv Amelikas txuj kev tuag nyob
> Naablaaj qaab teb tau 15 lub xyoo, since 1960-75, vim FGVP yog ib tug
> muaj koob nto npe txug kev sib ntau sib tua. Cov tub kawm Drs tsua twg
yus lawv tej num tej tswv qaab ces dlev tsis tum yug le nawj, yug yuav
sau phem zoo los tsuav tej hlub tas zoo ces zoo xwb. Huas nwg nuav mas
txhob laam lawv puab qaab, ntsiv dlev laam ntsab yug taus tsis ndluag
huav hahaha... Koj seb heev npaum yawm dlauvtawm pov xaivkob, suab tub
ntsag lawm hab niv. hahaha...Hos dlua le lwm tug drs. mas puab tsis
xaav dlaag Moob nav. Vim has tas, yog yuav sau kuas hum Moob sab ces
nwg tsis hum zaaj keebkwm lawm. For example; yog yuav sau tas "Muab
tsoj ntsha pua tebchaws" nuav mas yuavtsum pua tsua lub tebchaws Nplog
nkaus xwb, vim peb nrug Nplog nyob. Peb yuav form tsis tau ib tug
government within the government. Txhais tau tas, Moob nyob qaab
tswjfwm Nplog, tsis muaj teb muaj chaw ua Moob tug le sawv dlawg has.
Huas yog yuav has tas tau paab meskas le has hov ces txhais tau tas
yug ntxeev sab ua Nplog tug YeebNcuab lawm. Seb tej News has txug Moob
zag twg luas puab yeej remind tas Moob yog cov nam CIA remnants nuav.
Yog peb accept tas peb yog CIA remnants nuav ces peb yuav tsum mloog
Meskas txuj cai tswjfwm. Huas yog peb tas peb yog Nplog nuav ces luag
Meskas hab Nplog tub qheb kevphoojywg lawm ces dlej tub ndlwg taug ces
peb cas le nrug dlej ndlwg xwb, tsis taag yuav ua kis-s koos-s le.
Nub u, kuv moog saib hu SuabHmoobbroadcasting, qhib pum yawm Ted tau
interviewed yawm Locha Thao tas: " Nov tas cov Moob kws nrug
koj(Locha) tsaug txim hov tshev koj heev nuav puas muaj tseeb? Nwg
luag nyujnyaav hab teb tas "Tug kws yuav tshev mas yuav tsum yog nwg
tshev puab txhaj yog. Kuv yeej ib txwm tsis paub tej nuav, tub yog vim
puab cov laug haub kuv es kuv txhaj raug txim le hov ntaag."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no3hDgo-Ato
For some reason, this site has been removed by user.
Yog yug pheem lam tas puab lub zeb hu hov huv rag tsis ntse nuav, ua
le yug puas tau tsa muag saib seb puab lub zeb hu hov puas tau yaig?
Yog puab yeej huv-v yaig taag lawm ces tej zag tim yug tsis txawj huv
rag lawm.
TseemYeej.
YawgLaus
Sep 16, 2011, 2:14:32 AM9/16/11
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Hmoob ua Hmoob thaj thiab kaw Hmoob keeb kwm tuag nthi..Txawm yuav
puas tsawg tiam los yeej yuav tsis muaj Hmoob keeb kwm tshwm sim rau
leej twg pom li.........!
puas tsawg tiam los yeej yuav tsis muaj Hmoob keeb kwm tshwm sim rau
leej twg pom li.........!
Mouatony
Sep 16, 2011, 10:30:53 AM9/16/11
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Ib tsoom phoojywg,
Yog yuav saib kom moog dleb tshaaj qhov peb pum ce tim Moob lub XEEM
hab yog nruab yog ze ce txhaj sau tsi tau Moob cov keebkwm, history.
Vim yog has qhov tseeb los yuav mob Moob ib zag, has qhov cuav los
yuav mob Moob ib zag ce cas xob sau es muab tsuj kag tsua ntawd taw es
xaa moog tsua Yawm Zaajlaug lub qhov xwb es txhaj tsi mob mob Moob lub
sab yom. Yog le nuav tshe Moob txuj kev npau suav yuav tsi tau lug
txug Moob sai nawb.
Qhov kuv xaav kom muaj mas keebkwm yog ib yaam peb yuav tau coj lug
kawm ua neej hab siv moog lawm yaav tom ntej hab. Qhov zoo yuav kawm
siv, qhov phem do not repeat.
Tijlaug Tseemyeej,
Ua le koj has tej zag peb twb tsi saib puab lub nam zebhus hos le twb
yaig yuav taag los peb tseem qhuas qhuas has tas tseem zoo siv kawg
hab huv mas ntse kawg nuas hab, txawm le caag los xij yuav tau khaw
lub nam zebhus hos cas tsuas tom museum kom yug nrug luas muaj
puavpheej.
Bawg Phwv....,
Yog koj twb noog lawm es teb le ntawd xwb ce nyam taag le ntawd lawm
xwb los.
MT
DownUnder
Sep 16, 2011, 1:04:13 PM9/16/11
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Qhov sau txog GVP xwb mas yoojyim heev.
Tabsis qhov tsis muaj leej twg sau mas yog vim tias yus sau ces yus
yuav cuag ntaus yus pob-kub xwb. There are the good, the bad & the
ugly... all in there.
Even, my own book that I have talked about for a long time, that
supposed to be out many years ago but due to many personal & sensitive
issues that refer to many Hmong who are still living,,,and many of
those people are close kwvtij or neejtsa!! So... the book stay in the
closet for now!!! And instead of publish the entire book, I just
release bits & pieces that has no reference to our kwvtij neejtsa.
Up to now, the closest we have are just two books:
1. Tragic Mountains: The Hmong, the Americans, and the Secret Wars for
Laos, 1942-1992 by Jane Hamilton-Merritt.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0253207568/ref=sr_1_8_np_1_main_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316191764&sr=1-8&condition=new
This book is seen by many people as featuring GVP as the hero of the
Hmong & in the war in Laos... esp for those who are anti-GVP.
2. A People's History of the Hmong by Paul Hillmer (Dec 15, 2009)
http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-Hmong-Paul-Hillmer/dp/0873517261/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316191764&sr=1-4
This book may the only book that covers the many untold stories of the
Hmong in Laos as they perceive thru their own eyes as it happens over
the recent years. An excellent book as it content many issues, untold
stories, as I said above, that have not been written about before.
du
Tabsis qhov tsis muaj leej twg sau mas yog vim tias yus sau ces yus
yuav cuag ntaus yus pob-kub xwb. There are the good, the bad & the
ugly... all in there.
Even, my own book that I have talked about for a long time, that
supposed to be out many years ago but due to many personal & sensitive
issues that refer to many Hmong who are still living,,,and many of
those people are close kwvtij or neejtsa!! So... the book stay in the
closet for now!!! And instead of publish the entire book, I just
release bits & pieces that has no reference to our kwvtij neejtsa.
Up to now, the closest we have are just two books:
1. Tragic Mountains: The Hmong, the Americans, and the Secret Wars for
Laos, 1942-1992 by Jane Hamilton-Merritt.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0253207568/ref=sr_1_8_np_1_main_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316191764&sr=1-8&condition=new
This book is seen by many people as featuring GVP as the hero of the
Hmong & in the war in Laos... esp for those who are anti-GVP.
2. A People's History of the Hmong by Paul Hillmer (Dec 15, 2009)
http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-Hmong-Paul-Hillmer/dp/0873517261/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316191764&sr=1-4
This book may the only book that covers the many untold stories of the
Hmong in Laos as they perceive thru their own eyes as it happens over
the recent years. An excellent book as it content many issues, untold
stories, as I said above, that have not been written about before.
du
tseemyeej
Sep 16, 2011, 4:36:23 PM9/16/11
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My ol flien doctawm pov,
On Sep 16, 10:04 am, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Qhov sau txog GVP xwb mas yoojyim heev.
> Tabsis qhov tsis muaj leej twg sau mas yog vim tias yus sau ces yus
> yuav cuag ntaus yus pob-kub xwb. There are the good, the bad & the
> ugly... all in there.
Txij thaum koj mus koom GVP lub ntee los, yam li Koj ntse zog qhov qub
lawm ntag nawb yawg doctawm pov nawb. Koj puas tau mus ua tib zoo saib
daim duab ua lawv exhibited nyob tom lub ntees uas muaj "GVP thiab nws
pawg tub rog ua qhov muag hlaws hlo rau pawg nyiaj saum rooj"? Koj
puas xav tias cov neeg ntawd yog cov xub nqestes pab yawg hlob ntag
no? Yog rov ntsia tseeb-b dua ib lwm, yam li twb yuav luag paub cov
ntsej muag tag tug, tabsis, xyov lawv puas tau nrog siv pawg nyiaj
ntawd? Vim hnub tsis nte hmo tsis ntau, muaj ib cov ciali sawv tom hav
nyom los ua koosmasdas, kauslausnees zom zaws hloov cov koj pom hauv
daim duab no lawm. Cov hauv no, feemcoob, cia li ploj ntsej muag lawm
ntsiag to.....Hmmmm.....lam npau suav qhua qhawv xwb tiag lauj.....
> Even, my own book that I have talked about for a long time, that
> supposed to be out many years ago but due to many personal & sensitive
> issues that refer to many Hmong who are still living,,,and many of
> those people are close kwvtij or neejtsa!! So... the book stay in the
> closet for now!!! And instead of publish the entire book, I just
> release bits & pieces that has no reference to our kwvtij neejtsa.
Zoo phoojywg, zoo kwvtij mas zoo li FaibTxiab Xaykao hais nram no
thiaj yog. Txawm yus tus phoojywg yuav poob rau situation twg los yus
kev phoojywg tseem ruaj nreb li qub mas thiaj yog tseem phoojywg nawb.
Txhob lam tau lam hais tias H.H yog Hmong turning point no laiv yawg
hlob dovtawm pov awd.
"laurent xaykao sent to TubPajTsab May 27
Bonjour mon ami,
J'espère que tout va bien de ton côté. Quant à moi, tout est ok.
Vous restez toujours dans mon coeur. Faivtxiab"
Koj tus me Dr. Gary Yia Lee los tib yam nkaus, nws puas tau nug nws
txiv tias, thaum nws los coj lawv pab kwvtij khiav tuaj tag lawm es
yog leej twg tsevneeg pab cawm nws txiv lawv es lawv thiaj khiav dim
tuaj lawm? Lam tau lam hais lus lino, puas yog txhais tau tias noj mov
saum tsu, tso quav hauv yias?
> 1. Tragic Mountains: The Hmong, the Americans, and the Secret Wars for
> Laos, 1942-1992 by Jane Hamilton-Merritt.http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0253207568/ref=sr_1_8_np_1_mai...
Nej cov tub txawg ntxhais ntse ua txawj-j lus Meskas naj, leej twg yog
tus informant qhia rau Jane Hamilton-Merritt tias PajTsab tuag nyob
Samthong no? Koj twb kawmntawv tom Samthong lub caij ntawd ne, koj
qhia puas tau tias PajTsab lub ntxa nyob qhov twg kiag? Phau ntawv
ntawd tseem liam hais tias muaj ib tus Hmoob Lis siab tsis zoo txeeb
tus Hmoob Muas qhov hauj lwm uas yog zov lub pas dejtau NamNgum. Qhov
no mas haj yam txaus luag, vim lub caij ntawd tsis tau muaj ib tug
engineer yog xeem Muas li.
Lub caij ntawd, tsuas muaj Ma Thao thiab LyPao nkawd 2 leeg xwb. Nkawd
yog 2 leeg Hmoob xyaw cov engineers Nplog coob tus, obviously, tus
general director yuav tsum yog yog Nplog. Vim LyPao nyiam hunting
heev, tej zaum nws cia li ncajqha tom havzoo los rau tom hauj lwm. Yog
nws coj kuv nrog nws mus hunting ces kuv yeej tau nrog nws los zov
zaum puav. Kuv pom li no, 1 shift twg yuav tsum muaj ib tug engeneer
saib xyuas ib pab technicians. Vim cov engineers tsawg, luag yeej tsis
lam scheduled 2 tug ingeneer los zov ib shift li, txhais tau tias
nkawd, nyias muaj nyias schedule, yeej tsis conflict li Hmoob lub qhov
ncauj hais. Nkawd 2 lub tsev nyob sib npuab, noj sib hlub haus sib ce,
vim Ma Thao yuav LyPao tus muam tus ntxhais, txhais tau tias Ma Thao
yog lawm Vauv, hos LyPao yog Dablaug. kuv tus kheej yeej tau mus nrog
nkawd thiab cov engineers Nplog noj mov ua ke ntau zaus. Muaj qab muaj
tsuag sib faib noj, kuv tseem nco tau tias muaj ib hmos, after hunting
with emptied hand, peb tseem tawsteeb mus khaws kabpijnyug
(ແມງກິນູນ)los txeeb rog noj ntxuag cawv. Tsis hnov txog tej txheej xwm
tsis sib haum no ib zaug. Ua cas tuaj txog tebchaws no, tus hnov lus
npoo cua tseem paub tseeb tshaj tus pom kiag ntawm qhovmuag lawm
thiab. Qhov tseeb cia ua tseeb, Ma Thao tsev neeg thiab peb tsev neeg
sib chab sib chaws, koj qaib pw kuv cooj, kuv os pw koj nkuaj los lawm
ntau txheej.
Leej twg yuav sau dabtsis los yuav tsum sau raws qho tseeb xwb. Yog
sau raws qhov tseeb ces ntshe tus zoo tseem yuav phem tshaj tus pheem
lawm thiab. Piv xam case sib txeeb 30 nram Fresno, leej twg thiaj hais
qhov tseeb?
Qhov tseeb tiag ces yog tus txiv txais luag pob nyiaj thiab lees lus
tias yuav muab lub 30 rau luag run, on the other hand, tus niam ho mus
txais luag lwm pab pob loj zog thiab ho lees tias yuav cia rau pab
ntawd ua 30 no thiab.
1- Yog hais qhov tseeb ces yog yus 2 niam txiv yeej qaum noj 2 tog
nyiaj lawm.
2-Yog hais qho cuav, ces yog rov taw tuam ntuj thiab xav txeeb luag
tus nom ua no.
In reality, they all were the same group of crooks.
TseemYeej.
On Sep 16, 10:04 am, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Qhov sau txog GVP xwb mas yoojyim heev.
> Tabsis qhov tsis muaj leej twg sau mas yog vim tias yus sau ces yus
> yuav cuag ntaus yus pob-kub xwb. There are the good, the bad & the
> ugly... all in there.
lawm ntag nawb yawg doctawm pov nawb. Koj puas tau mus ua tib zoo saib
daim duab ua lawv exhibited nyob tom lub ntees uas muaj "GVP thiab nws
pawg tub rog ua qhov muag hlaws hlo rau pawg nyiaj saum rooj"? Koj
puas xav tias cov neeg ntawd yog cov xub nqestes pab yawg hlob ntag
no? Yog rov ntsia tseeb-b dua ib lwm, yam li twb yuav luag paub cov
ntsej muag tag tug, tabsis, xyov lawv puas tau nrog siv pawg nyiaj
ntawd? Vim hnub tsis nte hmo tsis ntau, muaj ib cov ciali sawv tom hav
nyom los ua koosmasdas, kauslausnees zom zaws hloov cov koj pom hauv
daim duab no lawm. Cov hauv no, feemcoob, cia li ploj ntsej muag lawm
ntsiag to.....Hmmmm.....lam npau suav qhua qhawv xwb tiag lauj.....
> Even, my own book that I have talked about for a long time, that
> supposed to be out many years ago but due to many personal & sensitive
> issues that refer to many Hmong who are still living,,,and many of
> those people are close kwvtij or neejtsa!! So... the book stay in the
> closet for now!!! And instead of publish the entire book, I just
> release bits & pieces that has no reference to our kwvtij neejtsa.
thiaj yog. Txawm yus tus phoojywg yuav poob rau situation twg los yus
kev phoojywg tseem ruaj nreb li qub mas thiaj yog tseem phoojywg nawb.
Txhob lam tau lam hais tias H.H yog Hmong turning point no laiv yawg
hlob dovtawm pov awd.
"laurent xaykao sent to TubPajTsab May 27
Bonjour mon ami,
J'espère que tout va bien de ton côté. Quant à moi, tout est ok.
Vous restez toujours dans mon coeur. Faivtxiab"
Koj tus me Dr. Gary Yia Lee los tib yam nkaus, nws puas tau nug nws
txiv tias, thaum nws los coj lawv pab kwvtij khiav tuaj tag lawm es
yog leej twg tsevneeg pab cawm nws txiv lawv es lawv thiaj khiav dim
tuaj lawm? Lam tau lam hais lus lino, puas yog txhais tau tias noj mov
saum tsu, tso quav hauv yias?
> 1. Tragic Mountains: The Hmong, the Americans, and the Secret Wars for
Nej cov tub txawg ntxhais ntse ua txawj-j lus Meskas naj, leej twg yog
tus informant qhia rau Jane Hamilton-Merritt tias PajTsab tuag nyob
Samthong no? Koj twb kawmntawv tom Samthong lub caij ntawd ne, koj
qhia puas tau tias PajTsab lub ntxa nyob qhov twg kiag? Phau ntawv
ntawd tseem liam hais tias muaj ib tus Hmoob Lis siab tsis zoo txeeb
tus Hmoob Muas qhov hauj lwm uas yog zov lub pas dejtau NamNgum. Qhov
no mas haj yam txaus luag, vim lub caij ntawd tsis tau muaj ib tug
engineer yog xeem Muas li.
Lub caij ntawd, tsuas muaj Ma Thao thiab LyPao nkawd 2 leeg xwb. Nkawd
yog 2 leeg Hmoob xyaw cov engineers Nplog coob tus, obviously, tus
general director yuav tsum yog yog Nplog. Vim LyPao nyiam hunting
heev, tej zaum nws cia li ncajqha tom havzoo los rau tom hauj lwm. Yog
nws coj kuv nrog nws mus hunting ces kuv yeej tau nrog nws los zov
zaum puav. Kuv pom li no, 1 shift twg yuav tsum muaj ib tug engeneer
saib xyuas ib pab technicians. Vim cov engineers tsawg, luag yeej tsis
lam scheduled 2 tug ingeneer los zov ib shift li, txhais tau tias
nkawd, nyias muaj nyias schedule, yeej tsis conflict li Hmoob lub qhov
ncauj hais. Nkawd 2 lub tsev nyob sib npuab, noj sib hlub haus sib ce,
vim Ma Thao yuav LyPao tus muam tus ntxhais, txhais tau tias Ma Thao
yog lawm Vauv, hos LyPao yog Dablaug. kuv tus kheej yeej tau mus nrog
nkawd thiab cov engineers Nplog noj mov ua ke ntau zaus. Muaj qab muaj
tsuag sib faib noj, kuv tseem nco tau tias muaj ib hmos, after hunting
with emptied hand, peb tseem tawsteeb mus khaws kabpijnyug
(ແມງກິນູນ)los txeeb rog noj ntxuag cawv. Tsis hnov txog tej txheej xwm
tsis sib haum no ib zaug. Ua cas tuaj txog tebchaws no, tus hnov lus
npoo cua tseem paub tseeb tshaj tus pom kiag ntawm qhovmuag lawm
thiab. Qhov tseeb cia ua tseeb, Ma Thao tsev neeg thiab peb tsev neeg
sib chab sib chaws, koj qaib pw kuv cooj, kuv os pw koj nkuaj los lawm
ntau txheej.
Leej twg yuav sau dabtsis los yuav tsum sau raws qho tseeb xwb. Yog
sau raws qhov tseeb ces ntshe tus zoo tseem yuav phem tshaj tus pheem
lawm thiab. Piv xam case sib txeeb 30 nram Fresno, leej twg thiaj hais
qhov tseeb?
Qhov tseeb tiag ces yog tus txiv txais luag pob nyiaj thiab lees lus
tias yuav muab lub 30 rau luag run, on the other hand, tus niam ho mus
txais luag lwm pab pob loj zog thiab ho lees tias yuav cia rau pab
ntawd ua 30 no thiab.
1- Yog hais qhov tseeb ces yog yus 2 niam txiv yeej qaum noj 2 tog
nyiaj lawm.
2-Yog hais qho cuav, ces yog rov taw tuam ntuj thiab xav txeeb luag
tus nom ua no.
In reality, they all were the same group of crooks.
TseemYeej.
TsoomHmoob
Sep 16, 2011, 5:24:14 PM9/16/11
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Nyob zoo ib tsoom kwv tij nkauj muam Hmoob hmov thiab tshua,
Kuv saib mas neej leej twg hais los puav leej yog nej lus tag huv tib
si. Kuv puav leej agreed nrog nej sawvdaws cov lus tib si thiab. Ua
li nev, peb tsoom Hmoob nyob thoob ntuj no leej twg thiaj li yuav los
sau txog Nais Phoo Vaj Pov? Kuv xav tias leej twg los yeej muaj cuab
pev xwm los sau tau yog tias nws txaus siab thiab xav sau. Kuv ntseeg
tau lawm tias nyaj tom ntej no yuav tsum muam tus los sau xwb. Thov
kom peb tsoom hmoob sawvdaws muaj kev sib txhawb es thov peb tseg txoj
kev nyias tau nyias txawj nyias taus nyias khav thiab nyias tau nyias
thuam xwb tabsis tsis nqis tes mog. Thov faj ib qho rau peb txhua tus
thiab hais tias yog peb tsoom tub ntxhais Hmoob tsis los tshawb fawb,
sau thiab nthuav tawm txog peb Hmoob lub neej ces kawg rov cia luag
lwm haiv neeg lwm tus sab nrauv ros los sau txog peb xwb. Thaum Naim
Txiab xia, kuv kuj mus koom lub ntees nyob rau nram Fontana, CA
thiab. Kuv kuj ntsib Dr. Jane Hamilton-Meritt uas nws tau claim rau
kuv hais tias nws no yog "General Vang Pao's official biographer" no.
Nco ntsoov, yog tias peb tsis npaj peb Hmoob lub neej ces kawg luag
lwm tuas los noj peb xwb. Es thov faj lus rau peb sawvdaws hais tias
thov kom ua dabtsi thiab hais dabtsi los nco ntsoov tias yog txog
ntawm yus haiv Hmoob no ces sawvdaws sib pab nawb mog. Thov put our
differences aside when it comes to peb haiv Hmoob.
Kuv ntsheeg tau tias tom ntej no yuav muaj peb ib tug Hmoob twg yeej
yuav sau thiab nthuav tawm txog Nais Phoo Vaj Pov xwb vim nws yog a
part of peb Hmoob keeb kwm uas yuav tau ceev cia.
Ua tsaug!
DownUnder
Sep 16, 2011, 8:41:01 PM9/16/11
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Yawg me phoojywg es...
Ua cas txog niaj hnub no los koj tseem pheej ua npau-sua toog txog HH
xwb nas? Nws yog nightmare lod???
Tam ib sim neej, I can guarantee tias, leej twg sau txog Hmong history
nyob Los Tsuas teb los yeej yuav tau piav txog HH xwb li. Lino, kuv
me zoo phoojywg, koj yuav tau pib sau koj phau ntawv txog HH sai sai
kom lwm tus hos tau siv koj phau ntawv ua reference txog thaum lawm
sau txog HH incident. Yog koj tsis sau koj phau ntawv ces, leej twg
los pheej yuav muab Quincy thiab Dr Ly Yia nkawv tej ntawv ua
reference xwb... ces pheej yuav hais txog koj tsev neeg tas mus li...
ua rau koj yuav npau-suav tuj-toog li niaj hnub no.
Kuv li, kuv tshuas hais txog HH xwb... kuv twb tsis tuas npe li
sav!!!! Lino, ua cas koj pheej yuav rov muaj HH los hais txua zaum
nrog kuv?
Raws li kuv tau hnov los, koj txiv Paj Tsab kuj tau ua ntau yam zoo
heev sav... ua cas koj ho tsis stress txog nws tej kev ua zoo ...
tabsis koj pheej pre-occupied tas zog li rau HH xwb nad???
du
Tony
Sep 18, 2011, 7:54:08 AM9/18/11
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Cov kwvtij Moob,
Tsi txhob moog has qhov dlaav (peb Moob), has qhov nqaim (peb cuab
kwvtij) xwb twb has [sau] tsi hum.
Peb tseem nyob rua ntu neej "ntshaw" kuas muaj le Meskas muaj
(history). Ntu neej ntshaw yog ntu kws peb muaj txuj kev khib sab.
Kev khib sab ces has lug tsi tog (tsi ncaaj rua huv nruabnraab). Nwg
has lug yaa-yaa (wishful thinking) lawm xwb. Ntawd yog txuj kev
ntshaw lub fwjchim.
Pevtxwv le nuav, Kuv sau peb 9 leeg kwvtij (peb tug tsi nyob lawm) le
keebkwm kuas tej mivnyuas hab xeebleej xeebntxiv ho tau nyeem thaus
tsi muaj peb lawm. (Thaus kuv nam hab kuv txiv puv 120 xyoos, peb
tshawb puab tej keebkwm los twb tsi muaj leejtwg paub zoo le.)
Sau ntawm leejtwg tuaj los twb txhum, ces kuv chiv ntawm kuv moog es
maam le muab tej tijlaug chaws moog rua huv thaus zaaj keebkwm ntawd
has txug nwg ntu.
Thaus chiv tau lawm, nwg tseem muaj sob lu lug noog hastas, cov kwvtij
kws kem namtxiv tamsis koom pujyawm nev, cov ntxhais nev, yog tsi sau
txug puab nyobtsaam puab tu-sab.
Thaus sau tau thawj zag (draft copy), cov kws sau lawv le lub neej
(good, bad, and ugly) ces kuj ndlwg zoo. Cov kws xaav npug qhov phem
es nthuav tawm qhov zoo ces pum txuj kev ntshaw (fwjchim) xwb es tsi
ndlwg zoo le qhov kws siv moog rua huv zaaj keebkwm.
Ntawm GVP lub neej, teg num, hab keebkwm yog nwg tsevtuabneeg sau mas
yuav zoodlua. Qhov zoo ntawd yog nwg tsevtuabneeg sau ces tsi txhum
leejtwg. "Lwm" tug sau ces yeej txhum Moob suavdlawg vim paub tsi
taag hab sau tsi dluav. (tseemyeej twb has txug tej ntawd lawm)
Qhov kws peb yuav sau tau ces sau lub ntsablug hab qhov yoojyim xwb.
Pevtxwv le:
Naisphoo Vaajpov- kawm ntawm txug theem 3. Moog ua tubrog hab dlhau
moog ua ib tug thawjcoj rua ntawm txuj kev sisntaus sistua. Tomqaab
kws lub tebchaws poob lawm, nwg ho dlhau moog ua ib tug tuam thawjcoj
rua ntawm tej pejxeem fuabfwm.
Tej nuav ces yeej sau tau, vim suavdlawg twb yeej paub taag lawm.
Yaam zoo txug nwg lub neej kws peb khaws yog General Vang Pao-a war
hero. Yaam pheem kws peb muab povtseg yog "operation popcorn". Kawm
kuas paub, tamsis tsi txhob ua tej yaam zoo le ntawd ntxiv lawm.
Tsi txhob moog has qhov dlaav (peb Moob), has qhov nqaim (peb cuab
kwvtij) xwb twb has [sau] tsi hum.
Peb tseem nyob rua ntu neej "ntshaw" kuas muaj le Meskas muaj
(history). Ntu neej ntshaw yog ntu kws peb muaj txuj kev khib sab.
Kev khib sab ces has lug tsi tog (tsi ncaaj rua huv nruabnraab). Nwg
has lug yaa-yaa (wishful thinking) lawm xwb. Ntawd yog txuj kev
ntshaw lub fwjchim.
Pevtxwv le nuav, Kuv sau peb 9 leeg kwvtij (peb tug tsi nyob lawm) le
keebkwm kuas tej mivnyuas hab xeebleej xeebntxiv ho tau nyeem thaus
tsi muaj peb lawm. (Thaus kuv nam hab kuv txiv puv 120 xyoos, peb
tshawb puab tej keebkwm los twb tsi muaj leejtwg paub zoo le.)
Sau ntawm leejtwg tuaj los twb txhum, ces kuv chiv ntawm kuv moog es
maam le muab tej tijlaug chaws moog rua huv thaus zaaj keebkwm ntawd
has txug nwg ntu.
Thaus chiv tau lawm, nwg tseem muaj sob lu lug noog hastas, cov kwvtij
kws kem namtxiv tamsis koom pujyawm nev, cov ntxhais nev, yog tsi sau
txug puab nyobtsaam puab tu-sab.
Thaus sau tau thawj zag (draft copy), cov kws sau lawv le lub neej
(good, bad, and ugly) ces kuj ndlwg zoo. Cov kws xaav npug qhov phem
es nthuav tawm qhov zoo ces pum txuj kev ntshaw (fwjchim) xwb es tsi
ndlwg zoo le qhov kws siv moog rua huv zaaj keebkwm.
Ntawm GVP lub neej, teg num, hab keebkwm yog nwg tsevtuabneeg sau mas
yuav zoodlua. Qhov zoo ntawd yog nwg tsevtuabneeg sau ces tsi txhum
leejtwg. "Lwm" tug sau ces yeej txhum Moob suavdlawg vim paub tsi
taag hab sau tsi dluav. (tseemyeej twb has txug tej ntawd lawm)
Qhov kws peb yuav sau tau ces sau lub ntsablug hab qhov yoojyim xwb.
Pevtxwv le:
Naisphoo Vaajpov- kawm ntawm txug theem 3. Moog ua tubrog hab dlhau
moog ua ib tug thawjcoj rua ntawm txuj kev sisntaus sistua. Tomqaab
kws lub tebchaws poob lawm, nwg ho dlhau moog ua ib tug tuam thawjcoj
rua ntawm tej pejxeem fuabfwm.
Tej nuav ces yeej sau tau, vim suavdlawg twb yeej paub taag lawm.
Yaam zoo txug nwg lub neej kws peb khaws yog General Vang Pao-a war
hero. Yaam pheem kws peb muab povtseg yog "operation popcorn". Kawm
kuas paub, tamsis tsi txhob ua tej yaam zoo le ntawd ntxiv lawm.
Yaj Tshaj Koob
Sep 18, 2011, 9:58:19 AM9/18/11
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Hais txog keeb kwm Hmoob ntsig txug txuv rog nyab laaj mas ntshe yuav
tsi muaj leej twg muaj cuab kaav sau qhov tseeb tau, vim tas yog yus
sau raws le qhov muaj ces muaj ntau yaam tsi zoo nyob rua huv zaaj
keeb kwm lawm, puab yuav tsi txaus sab rua yug tug kws sau, yog ho sau
raws le qhov ua tau zoo xwb ces zaaj keeb kwm tsi meej pem tsi raug le
qhov kws tug tuab neeg tau ua lug lawd, muab saib lug txug mas ntxim
le yuav tsi muaj neeg xaav sau txug tej keeb kwm le koj has ntawd rua
qhov Hmoob lub sab tseem nqaim heev, twm xeeb heev.
Has txug cov phau ntawv kws twb sau tau hpau puav has txug txuv rog
GVP ua nrug meskas ntawd los puav leej sau tsi meej pes tsawg, puab
tsuas sau qhov zoo xwb. Nyob le phau kws tus pog meskas sau lub npe
tas Tragic Mountains ntawd los yeej sau tsi raug raws le qhov kws GVP
tau ua dlau lug lawm hab, phau ntawv ntawd yog tus pog ntawd xaav ua
rua kom nws tau moog txhawb nws lub npe Dr. xwb muaj ib cov lus nyob
hauv phau ntawv twb tsi raug li tus neeg tau rhawv zaj keeb kwm ntawd.
YTK
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