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Tej Ntsab Lug Tseemceeb Ntawm Sivyig hab Subtuam Txujkev Sistua
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avan...@yahoo.com
May 16, 2013, 6:06:36 AM5/16/13
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Taug tej ntsab lug nraagqaab nuav saib.
Sivyig Nrug Subtuam Sistua muaj tej xwmtxheej tshwm ua ntu zug le nraagqaab nuav:
a. Ntsuag Zug = Kev Sisntaus Sistua Sawv
b. Ntsuag Zug Tawteg = Siv Tswvyim
c. Ntxhuvsab = Qheb Sab Rua Yaam Kws Tsaus
d. Qha Kev Paab = Tho Kev Moog Rua Huv Sab
e. Txaisyuav Tswvyim = Pum Kev Muajyeej
f. Nqegteg Ua = Leg Dlejnum
g. Nqog = Txuv Sav / Ntxiv Sav
h. Mobsab = Npaaj Pauj Rovqaab
i. Moog Cuag Dlua = Khi Tau Lawm
j. Yuavtau Ua = Tswj Lub Sab
k. Zoo Tswvyim = Coj Tau Lawm
l. Plaubhau = Plaubntug -- Plaub Ntuj -- Sawv
Nqai c. Sivyig ntxhuvsab heev. Txujkev ntxhuvsab qheb kev rua yaam kws tsaus nkaag lug rua huv nruabsab. Yaam tsaus ntawd ua le caag rua yug? Yug ua le caag tshwm rua suavdlawg pum? Nyeem ntxiv moog:
"Sivyig txawm tawm moog rua nrau zoov, poobsabnthaav, hab ywg ua tujtawg hastas, “Ab! Ua le caag yuav tsi ca obtug coj Tub Kim Nisnros moog tua le lau. Zag nuav ces yug yuav this luas tub tuag lawm taag-taag le lau. Luas hastas yuav yeej yog yeej lug ntawm tawteg nrawm; yuav swb yog swb lug ntawm tawteg qeeb. Zag nuav yug tawteg qeeb ces, yug yuav swb lawm tag-tag le.”
Sivyig ywg ua tujtawg le ntawd rua nrau zoov hab moog has rua nwg cov kwvtij taagnrho hastas, “Zag nuav ces mej yuavtau paab kuv nawb.”
Ces, Sivyig cov kwvtij txawm has rua nwg hastas, “Sivyig lau, qaab ntuj nua ces peb tsuas tog koj lawm xwb. Yog koj ua tsi tau lawm, peb ces tsi txhob has txug le.”
Nam dlaav dlub txawm tebnkaus tuaj hastas, “Kuv paab tau koj kawg!”
Sivyig tighlo moog hab noog hastas, “Ua le, koj ho yog leej twg nua?”
Dlaav dlub txawm teb hastas, “Kuv yog dlaav luasmas.”
Sivyig saib moog rua peg, nwg pum dlaav dlub txawb ua tuab pob rua peg lub hauvpaug ntoo xwb.
Sivyig txhajle moogloo rua peg hab noog dlaab hastas, “Koj paab tau kuv nua, koj yuav paab le caag?”
Sivyig Nrug Subtuam Sistua muaj tej xwmtxheej tshwm ua ntu zug le nraagqaab nuav:
a. Ntsuag Zug = Kev Sisntaus Sistua Sawv
b. Ntsuag Zug Tawteg = Siv Tswvyim
c. Ntxhuvsab = Qheb Sab Rua Yaam Kws Tsaus
d. Qha Kev Paab = Tho Kev Moog Rua Huv Sab
e. Txaisyuav Tswvyim = Pum Kev Muajyeej
f. Nqegteg Ua = Leg Dlejnum
g. Nqog = Txuv Sav / Ntxiv Sav
h. Mobsab = Npaaj Pauj Rovqaab
i. Moog Cuag Dlua = Khi Tau Lawm
j. Yuavtau Ua = Tswj Lub Sab
k. Zoo Tswvyim = Coj Tau Lawm
l. Plaubhau = Plaubntug -- Plaub Ntuj -- Sawv
Nqai c. Sivyig ntxhuvsab heev. Txujkev ntxhuvsab qheb kev rua yaam kws tsaus nkaag lug rua huv nruabsab. Yaam tsaus ntawd ua le caag rua yug? Yug ua le caag tshwm rua suavdlawg pum? Nyeem ntxiv moog:
"Sivyig txawm tawm moog rua nrau zoov, poobsabnthaav, hab ywg ua tujtawg hastas, “Ab! Ua le caag yuav tsi ca obtug coj Tub Kim Nisnros moog tua le lau. Zag nuav ces yug yuav this luas tub tuag lawm taag-taag le lau. Luas hastas yuav yeej yog yeej lug ntawm tawteg nrawm; yuav swb yog swb lug ntawm tawteg qeeb. Zag nuav yug tawteg qeeb ces, yug yuav swb lawm tag-tag le.”
Sivyig ywg ua tujtawg le ntawd rua nrau zoov hab moog has rua nwg cov kwvtij taagnrho hastas, “Zag nuav ces mej yuavtau paab kuv nawb.”
Ces, Sivyig cov kwvtij txawm has rua nwg hastas, “Sivyig lau, qaab ntuj nua ces peb tsuas tog koj lawm xwb. Yog koj ua tsi tau lawm, peb ces tsi txhob has txug le.”
Nam dlaav dlub txawm tebnkaus tuaj hastas, “Kuv paab tau koj kawg!”
Sivyig tighlo moog hab noog hastas, “Ua le, koj ho yog leej twg nua?”
Dlaav dlub txawm teb hastas, “Kuv yog dlaav luasmas.”
Sivyig saib moog rua peg, nwg pum dlaav dlub txawb ua tuab pob rua peg lub hauvpaug ntoo xwb.
Sivyig txhajle moogloo rua peg hab noog dlaab hastas, “Koj paab tau kuv nua, koj yuav paab le caag?”
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May 16, 2013, 7:01:09 AM5/16/13
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yah...@hotmail.com
May 16, 2013, 11:43:52 AM5/16/13
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avang,
personally, i think you are still missing the point of the subtuam/sivyig fight becuase you are using it to explain many things--more than what the story stands for. remember that every story tells the beginning of something. going back to the bible, and per the belief perspective, man is doomed because they ate the the fruit of knowledge. this story is an attempt to explain man's orginal sin...regardless of how "backward" or illogical it is....it is what it is. instead of concentrating on the snake, or blaming the snake, or god himself...just make it simple and stick to the main point of the story--man ate the fruit. if we are to use this this story to "explain" other things, we will be stuck.
the same thing can be concluded on the subtuam/sivyig story. instead of trying to explain where many things came from (such as the divergence of hmoob dawb moob leeg, ntxug sub tu sub, plaubhau plaubntug etc..), just concentrate on the main idea of vijsub vijsw origin. keep i nmind, interpretations are based on one's own feelings and/or view. others explain that 4ntug is from 4hau....i personally think this is a load of crap. if you attempt to use a single idea to explain the many things of life, you will sound like a child babbling wihtout a clear purpose.
one important "explanation" that ytk used is the "txhaum neej ces dej caw, txhaum dab ces xyab ntaw"....keep in mind that this is where subtuam refused to accept harmony--and thus started the war. but if subtuam really "refused" this statement, then how is it possible that subtuam and loobyeeg "eagerly and gladly" accepted the "food and drinks" that sivyig offerred--their entrapments. so you see, if we are to analyze the little details, then our conclusion doens't make sense, making the story a bogus one, or a very childish one.
my advice...keep it simple and just know this 2 point.
1. sivyig went beyond evil on his tactics in killing subtuam/loobyeeg...thus cursing himself with vijsub vijsw. and man have to live with it today.
2. evn though cov kwvtij tom tsuadlawb refused to help sivyig..they were also cursed with vijsub vijsw.
compare this to.
1. adam/eve ate the fruit...and man have to live with death today.
2. even though i have nothing to do with adam/eve...i will die someday.
keep it simple...and everything will b clearer...make it hard and everything will be harder to conclude/accept.
personally, i think you are still missing the point of the subtuam/sivyig fight becuase you are using it to explain many things--more than what the story stands for. remember that every story tells the beginning of something. going back to the bible, and per the belief perspective, man is doomed because they ate the the fruit of knowledge. this story is an attempt to explain man's orginal sin...regardless of how "backward" or illogical it is....it is what it is. instead of concentrating on the snake, or blaming the snake, or god himself...just make it simple and stick to the main point of the story--man ate the fruit. if we are to use this this story to "explain" other things, we will be stuck.
the same thing can be concluded on the subtuam/sivyig story. instead of trying to explain where many things came from (such as the divergence of hmoob dawb moob leeg, ntxug sub tu sub, plaubhau plaubntug etc..), just concentrate on the main idea of vijsub vijsw origin. keep i nmind, interpretations are based on one's own feelings and/or view. others explain that 4ntug is from 4hau....i personally think this is a load of crap. if you attempt to use a single idea to explain the many things of life, you will sound like a child babbling wihtout a clear purpose.
one important "explanation" that ytk used is the "txhaum neej ces dej caw, txhaum dab ces xyab ntaw"....keep in mind that this is where subtuam refused to accept harmony--and thus started the war. but if subtuam really "refused" this statement, then how is it possible that subtuam and loobyeeg "eagerly and gladly" accepted the "food and drinks" that sivyig offerred--their entrapments. so you see, if we are to analyze the little details, then our conclusion doens't make sense, making the story a bogus one, or a very childish one.
my advice...keep it simple and just know this 2 point.
1. sivyig went beyond evil on his tactics in killing subtuam/loobyeeg...thus cursing himself with vijsub vijsw. and man have to live with it today.
2. evn though cov kwvtij tom tsuadlawb refused to help sivyig..they were also cursed with vijsub vijsw.
compare this to.
1. adam/eve ate the fruit...and man have to live with death today.
2. even though i have nothing to do with adam/eve...i will die someday.
keep it simple...and everything will b clearer...make it hard and everything will be harder to conclude/accept.
unkown
May 16, 2013, 12:44:14 PM5/16/13
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This is a game of death between these two characters. They played DEATH and CONQUER game. Obviously, Sivyis did no win totally, because Pujsub got away from death. But Sivyis saved his own people from being eaten from Subtuam family.
These two characters had their own missions. Sivyis was the savior of mankind, on the other hand, Sibtuam was the destroyer of mankind. So, Sivyis conquered it but he did not win the battle because he let Pujsub gotten away.
If you look at it, Puj saub & Yawg Saub had created a perfect balance plan for mankind. They creates the earth for living things, form the moon to balance the earth, make the sun to give light to feed lives on all living things. However, if all living things on this planet do not die, then, there will not have enough spaces for them to live. That's why god creates Yajceeb and Yeebceeb for life-cycle. All living things must be born, get old, and die, and go back to their creators (oujsaub $ yawm saub) and reborn again. I think god's plans are perfectly balance our universe.
Sivyis and Subtuam missions were also gods plan to balance mankind on earth too.
yah...@hotmail.com
May 16, 2013, 1:00:08 PM5/16/13
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unknown
yog koj hais li ko ces koj tsi totaub zaj dabneeg lawm.
also, keep in mind that Txoov sivyis, tooj nchais sivyig..and qaumntuj sivyis...mas txawv...each of those 3 entities are different.
the story of subtuam/sivyig only involves tooj nchais sivyis...kev tu sub tshwm li cas...the story of new year, noj 30, involves txoov sivyis...and the story of "ua neeb kho ntiajteb txoj kev tuag" involves qaumntuj sivyis.
remember..keep it clear of western influence....god had no plans per hmong...it just came out that way.
yog koj hais li ko ces koj tsi totaub zaj dabneeg lawm.
also, keep in mind that Txoov sivyis, tooj nchais sivyig..and qaumntuj sivyis...mas txawv...each of those 3 entities are different.
the story of subtuam/sivyig only involves tooj nchais sivyis...kev tu sub tshwm li cas...the story of new year, noj 30, involves txoov sivyis...and the story of "ua neeb kho ntiajteb txoj kev tuag" involves qaumntuj sivyis.
remember..keep it clear of western influence....god had no plans per hmong...it just came out that way.
avan...@yahoo.com
May 17, 2013, 7:34:28 AM5/17/13
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Yag,
Kuv nthuav cov ntsab lug ntawm zaaj lugntsuag ntawd tawm. Koj yuav siv le caag los nyob ntawm koj.
Lugntsuag yog txuj lw xwb. Qhov kev siv, noog tugkheej saibseb yug txav puas raug tej ntsab lug ntawd lug rua suavdlawg yuav.
Tsi yog es yuav muab yeb kuas yog xwb, puas siv tau?
Kuv nthuav cov ntsab lug ntawm zaaj lugntsuag ntawd tawm. Koj yuav siv le caag los nyob ntawm koj.
Lugntsuag yog txuj lw xwb. Qhov kev siv, noog tugkheej saibseb yug txav puas raug tej ntsab lug ntawd lug rua suavdlawg yuav.
Tsi yog es yuav muab yeb kuas yog xwb, puas siv tau?
Yaj Tshaj Koob
May 17, 2013, 8:52:14 AM5/17/13
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On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:44:14 AM UTC-5, unkown wrote:
> This is a game of death between these two characters. They played DEATH and CONQUER game. Obviously, Sivyis did no win totally, because Pujsub got away from death. But Sivyis saved his own people from being eaten from Subtuam family.
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> These two characters had their own missions. Sivyis was the savior of mankind, on the other hand, Sibtuam was the destroyer of mankind. So, Sivyis conquered it but he did not win the battle because he let Pujsub gotten away.
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> If you look at it, Puj saub & Yawg Saub had created a perfect balance plan for mankind. They creates the earth for living things, form the moon to balance the earth, make the sun to give light to feed lives on all living things. However, if all living things on this planet do not die, then, there will not have enough spaces for them to live. That's why god creates Yajceeb and Yeebceeb for life-cycle. All living things must be born, get old, and die, and go back to their creators (oujsaub $ yawm saub) and reborn again. I think god's plans are perfectly balance our universe.
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> Sivyis and Subtuam missions were also gods plan to balance mankind on earth too.
Unknown,
> This is a game of death between these two characters. They played DEATH and CONQUER game. Obviously, Sivyis did no win totally, because Pujsub got away from death. But Sivyis saved his own people from being eaten from Subtuam family.
>
>
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> These two characters had their own missions. Sivyis was the savior of mankind, on the other hand, Sibtuam was the destroyer of mankind. So, Sivyis conquered it but he did not win the battle because he let Pujsub gotten away.
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> If you look at it, Puj saub & Yawg Saub had created a perfect balance plan for mankind. They creates the earth for living things, form the moon to balance the earth, make the sun to give light to feed lives on all living things. However, if all living things on this planet do not die, then, there will not have enough spaces for them to live. That's why god creates Yajceeb and Yeebceeb for life-cycle. All living things must be born, get old, and die, and go back to their creators (oujsaub $ yawm saub) and reborn again. I think god's plans are perfectly balance our universe.
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> Sivyis and Subtuam missions were also gods plan to balance mankind on earth too.
Koj hais tau raug kawg lawm nawb, yog li koj hais no lawm ntag, muab cov teeb meem los zuaj ua luv luv ces yog li koj hais no lawm ov.
YTK
yah...@hotmail.com
May 17, 2013, 9:38:39 AM5/17/13
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avang...
yog li koj hais kawg...
temsis, yog koj hais li ko no, kuv muab ib los rau koj xav. lub ntsiab ntawm adam/eve puas yog qhia tias "vajtswb siab phem heev...nws ntxiag menyuam yau los noj fruits kom tuag tu noob mus"...
yog koj yuav muab subtuam/sivyis los xav meej li koj...kuj txhais tau tias koj kuj muab bible los xav li kuv hais lawm thiab? puas yog?
yog li koj hais kawg...
temsis, yog koj hais li ko no, kuv muab ib los rau koj xav. lub ntsiab ntawm adam/eve puas yog qhia tias "vajtswb siab phem heev...nws ntxiag menyuam yau los noj fruits kom tuag tu noob mus"...
yog koj yuav muab subtuam/sivyis los xav meej li koj...kuj txhais tau tias koj kuj muab bible los xav li kuv hais lawm thiab? puas yog?
yah...@hotmail.com
May 17, 2013, 9:45:43 AM5/17/13
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ytk thiab unknown
"But Sivyis saved his own people from being eaten from Subtuam family."
yog nej xav tias zaj dabneeg yog txog sivyig's tus peevxeem thaiv subtuam yuav noj sivyig's people...ces nej tsi paub dabtsi li os. sivyig did not save his people...he created a problem which we are still trying to correct today through his own wrongdoings.
nyob ntiaj teb muaj ibco ma txiav tsi tau lub ntsiab lus li...temsis qhov phem tshaj, muaj ib co tsi paub li los xij dag rau luag tias "koj hais yog lawm.."
"But Sivyis saved his own people from being eaten from Subtuam family."
nyob ntiaj teb muaj ibco ma txiav tsi tau lub ntsiab lus li...temsis qhov phem tshaj, muaj ib co tsi paub li los xij dag rau luag tias "koj hais yog lawm.."
unkown
May 17, 2013, 12:21:14 PM5/17/13
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Yah & YTK,
Yog kuv qhov mistake lawm. Kuv refer rau tus Vajsaub Siv Yis qaum ntuj. Kuv muaj limited knowledge txog ntawm Siv Yis Tooj nchai thiab Sivyis tua sub tuam.
Anway, Sivyis thiab subtuam nkawv yeej muaj caub, tej zaum yuav yog personal lawm es Sivyis thiaj ua li ntawm rau Subtuam.
Sim saib seb, lub 4-5 dhau los no, cov Syria Rebel twb muaj tho ib tug tub rog (government soldier) lub plawv los noj vim hais tias nws CHIM heev lawm uas cov government troop no tuaj tua lawv zej lawv zos, lawv cov neeg tuag lawm coob, ces tua kom tau muab noj kiag ntag.
Sivyis los yeej Chim tib yam li tus Syria Rebel no ntag, nws thiaj tau tua tus tub, muab tus tub cov nqaij tsaw rau leej txiv no, muab leej txiv cov nqaij tsaws rau poj niam noj ntag. Tab sis Sivyis txuj kuj tsis txaus, tua tsis tau Pujsub. Qhov no yog down fall ntawm Sivyis.
Yog kuv qhov mistake lawm. Kuv refer rau tus Vajsaub Siv Yis qaum ntuj. Kuv muaj limited knowledge txog ntawm Siv Yis Tooj nchai thiab Sivyis tua sub tuam.
Anway, Sivyis thiab subtuam nkawv yeej muaj caub, tej zaum yuav yog personal lawm es Sivyis thiaj ua li ntawm rau Subtuam.
Sim saib seb, lub 4-5 dhau los no, cov Syria Rebel twb muaj tho ib tug tub rog (government soldier) lub plawv los noj vim hais tias nws CHIM heev lawm uas cov government troop no tuaj tua lawv zej lawv zos, lawv cov neeg tuag lawm coob, ces tua kom tau muab noj kiag ntag.
Sivyis los yeej Chim tib yam li tus Syria Rebel no ntag, nws thiaj tau tua tus tub, muab tus tub cov nqaij tsaw rau leej txiv no, muab leej txiv cov nqaij tsaws rau poj niam noj ntag. Tab sis Sivyis txuj kuj tsis txaus, tua tsis tau Pujsub. Qhov no yog down fall ntawm Sivyis.
yah...@hotmail.com
May 17, 2013, 2:08:31 PM5/17/13
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unknown
zaj story subtum/sivyis no, yeej tsi tau hais txog subtuam ua phem li ub li no...tsi hais txog subtuam tua leejtwg li...tsi yog hais txog sivyis ua zoo li ua li no...zaj dabneeg no, tsuas yog qhia tau tias subtuam/loobyeeg siab ceev...thiab muaj ntsiv ruam no xwb.... yeej tsi tau hais txog subtuam tua leejtwg li...sivyig, on the other hand seemed patient...and clever...and yes, kev phem nyob tob dua for what he did.
temsis ua li koj hais, tejzaum subtuam thiab sivyig yeej muaj caub uantej nkawd si tua los kuj tsi paub. qhov tseeb uas paub ces zaj dabneeg qhia tias cov kwvtij nyob tom tsua dawb (who eventually became cov hmoob dawb) tsi kam pab sivyis. why is this? tejzaum lawd xav tias sivyis ua yuamkev lawm los kuj muaj.
koj muab xav tias...if sivyig did not do what he did to subtuam's family...peb hmoob puas lwm sub tu sub li niaj hnub tomsim no? lets take this to the next level of thinking....IF SIVYIG LET SUBTUAM KILL TUBKWM....wouldn't it be better to have 1 dead and end the whole thing? muab ib txoj sia los pauv millions of life--to me-- is better. but instead of doing this, sivyig had to play the hero...and caused vijsub vijsw to kill the world.....
yh
zaj story subtum/sivyis no, yeej tsi tau hais txog subtuam ua phem li ub li no...tsi hais txog subtuam tua leejtwg li...tsi yog hais txog sivyis ua zoo li ua li no...zaj dabneeg no, tsuas yog qhia tau tias subtuam/loobyeeg siab ceev...thiab muaj ntsiv ruam no xwb.... yeej tsi tau hais txog subtuam tua leejtwg li...sivyig, on the other hand seemed patient...and clever...and yes, kev phem nyob tob dua for what he did.
temsis ua li koj hais, tejzaum subtuam thiab sivyig yeej muaj caub uantej nkawd si tua los kuj tsi paub. qhov tseeb uas paub ces zaj dabneeg qhia tias cov kwvtij nyob tom tsua dawb (who eventually became cov hmoob dawb) tsi kam pab sivyis. why is this? tejzaum lawd xav tias sivyis ua yuamkev lawm los kuj muaj.
koj muab xav tias...if sivyig did not do what he did to subtuam's family...peb hmoob puas lwm sub tu sub li niaj hnub tomsim no? lets take this to the next level of thinking....IF SIVYIG LET SUBTUAM KILL TUBKWM....wouldn't it be better to have 1 dead and end the whole thing? muab ib txoj sia los pauv millions of life--to me-- is better. but instead of doing this, sivyig had to play the hero...and caused vijsub vijsw to kill the world.....
yh
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May 17, 2013, 3:54:12 PM5/17/13
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unkown
May 17, 2013, 5:38:19 PM5/17/13
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Yah,
Yog lawm. Yog sib tua xwb es tsis txhob muab hau lub cev rau tsev neeg noj ces yeej tsis txhaum li vim tias Playing game yeej yuav muaj ciaj muaj tuag.
Hmoob ces yeej yog coj tib yam los puag thaum lub hauv paus los txog niaj hnub no yog vim tus txawj tsim txom tus ruam, tus ntse tua tus ruam ntag. Hmoob HAWJ (Hmoob dawb) thiaj caiv txaj, Hmoob Vaj thiaj caiv qab cub, Hmoob Yaj thiaj caiv plawv. ib xeem Hmoob no caiv ib yam ntag.
Tus Ruam hais tsis tau ces thiaj tsa tes thov ntuj, thiaj khaum peb Hmoob sawv daws los txog niaj hnub no ntag. Qhov no yog txoj kev LIM HIAM xwb.
Yaj Tshaj Koob
May 17, 2013, 8:31:58 PM5/17/13
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> nyob ntiaj teb muaj ibco ma txiav tsi tau lub ntsiab lus li...temsis qhov phem tshaj, muaj ib co tsi paub li los xij dag rau luag tias "koj hais yog lawm.."
Sub Tuam tsev neeg kev noj nyob li neej thiab noj nyob li dab, lawv noj nyoos noj tib neeg, yog Sub Tuam lawv tsev neeg tsi yog neeg phem, neeg noj neeg no ces thaum Siv Yis muab Loob Yeeg cov nqaij tsuav hau rau Sub Tuam noj, muab Sub Tuam cov nqaij tsuav hau rau Puj Sub noj, nkawd cia li noj twb ywm ntsiag to tsi nroo ib los hais tias ua cas qab txawv txawv tsi noj no li, thaum Sub Tuam noj Loob Yeeg cov nqaij los noj ntsiag to, thaum Puj Sub noj Sub Tuam cov nqaij los noj ntsiag to tsi nroo, txhais tau hais tias lawv yeej noj nqaij tib neeg dua los lawm, thaum lawv noj lawv tsi nroo ces yog lawv yeej ib txwm noj nqaij tib neeg lawm tiag.
Lawv noj nqaij tib neeg mas zoo nkaus li peb tiam no noj nqaij qaib nqaij npua xwb.
Nyob rau hauv txoj kev sib npav siav ciaj pauv siav tuag lawm li nkawd lawm ces tsi hais koj kuv peb leej twg li ntag yuav tsum nrhiav kev tiv thaiv thiab tua tuag nthi saib leej twg yuav noj leej twg xwb, tsi muaj neej yag yuav nyob twb ywm rau lawv tua ib zaug. Qhov uas tua tau es ho muab nws cov nqaij tsuav hau rau nws tsev noj, thiab qhov uas tua tau luag pov tseg txawm tsi muab hau rau lawv tsev neeg noj los txhaum tib yam. Kev sib ntau sib tua hauv tshav rog tab txawm tua tau leej twg pov tseg lawm los yeej tsi muaj txhaum.
Siv Yis tua Sub Tuam lawv cov txiv tub ntawd Siv Yis yeej ua tau yog lawm, yog tsi ua li Siv Yis ua nws yuav nyob tsi tau nrog cov neeg zoo li lawv rau lub caij ntawd ib zaug li, Siv Yis yuav tsum ua li nws ua, yuav tsuam ua li nws ua, yuav tsum ua li nws ua ntawd mas thiaj muaj yeej, Siv yis yog neeg ncaj ncees dawb huv, li ntawd tus tswv ntuj Yawm Saub thiaj pub Siv Yis muaj cawm seej pab nws-nws thiaj yeej.
YTK
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May 17, 2013, 10:23:48 PM5/17/13
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Vaajtswv sab phem / sab zoo los kuj tau zaaj lugntsuag txug Vaajtswv tsim ob tug lug. Nwg tsim ob tug kuas muaj tug yaamtxwv zoo le nwg.
Leej twg lug dlaag obtug noj tsob ntxiv kws Vaajtswv txwv ntawd?
Leej twg lub sab txhajle yog lub phem (evil)?
Leej twg lug dlaag obtug noj tsob ntxiv kws Vaajtswv txwv ntawd?
Leej twg lub sab txhajle yog lub phem (evil)?
yah...@hotmail.com
May 18, 2013, 12:14:33 AM5/18/13
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avang...
you missed what i have been saying..probably becausse you do certaain things think it would benefit yoru thinking...and leave the same thing out on other issues if you feel it woudl "hurt' you.
it is exaclty the reason you said that you should be thinking what mentioned.
god = all knowing...god planted the tree knowing that the snake will tempt them...and knowing the adam/eve will fail..and yet, god did it anyway. i'm sure your only answer would be "cuz we dont' udnersatnd god...and live with it"
so it would be best to ansnwer your own question using what god give you.
you missed what i have been saying..probably becausse you do certaain things think it would benefit yoru thinking...and leave the same thing out on other issues if you feel it woudl "hurt' you.
it is exaclty the reason you said that you should be thinking what mentioned.
god = all knowing...god planted the tree knowing that the snake will tempt them...and knowing the adam/eve will fail..and yet, god did it anyway. i'm sure your only answer would be "cuz we dont' udnersatnd god...and live with it"
so it would be best to ansnwer your own question using what god give you.
yah...@hotmail.com
May 18, 2013, 12:16:27 AM5/18/13
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ytk,
hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
yah...@hotmail.com
May 18, 2013, 12:32:28 AM5/18/13
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avang...
i typed too fast..doesn't make sense does it? again...
you missed what i have been saying..probably becausse you do certaain things that you think would benefit your thoughts...and leave the same thing out on other issues if you feel it woudl "hurt' your thoughts.
what you just said regarding who is more evil (snake), is exactly why you should be thinking more.
thinking the way you think regarding the subtuam/sivyig story, you should also apply that thought to god = all knowing...god planted the tree knowing that the snake will tempt them...and knowing the adam/eve will fail..and yet, god did it anyway. i'm sure your only answer (and the only blindfaith answer) would be "cuz we dont' udnersatnd god...and we jsut live with it and accept that it wasn't god's fault"
however, if we r to apply your new reason (your previous post), and keep it simple as i suggested, then yes....the snake is the evil one... and if we keep it simple for the subtuam story, then vijsub vijsw was caused by sivyig killing subtuam in such an evil way.
i typed too fast..doesn't make sense does it? again...
you missed what i have been saying..probably becausse you do certaain things that you think would benefit your thoughts...and leave the same thing out on other issues if you feel it woudl "hurt' your thoughts.
what you just said regarding who is more evil (snake), is exactly why you should be thinking more.
thinking the way you think regarding the subtuam/sivyig story, you should also apply that thought to god = all knowing...god planted the tree knowing that the snake will tempt them...and knowing the adam/eve will fail..and yet, god did it anyway. i'm sure your only answer (and the only blindfaith answer) would be "cuz we dont' udnersatnd god...and we jsut live with it and accept that it wasn't god's fault"
however, if we r to apply your new reason (your previous post), and keep it simple as i suggested, then yes....the snake is the evil one... and if we keep it simple for the subtuam story, then vijsub vijsw was caused by sivyig killing subtuam in such an evil way.
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May 18, 2013, 6:23:11 AM5/18/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 11:16:27 PM UTC-5, yah...@hotmail.com wrote:
> ytk,
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> hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
yah,
> ytk,
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> hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
Koj xav tias koj yog tus uas ntse tshaj plaws peb cov Hmoob lawm no lov, txij li kuv phaum neeg los kuv tsi tau pom dua ib niag neeg ruam li koj, tseem ruam dhau qhov ruam, tej laus hais tias ruam tua tsov ces yog koj, koj twb tsi yog tus kav lub ntiaj teb, koj tub tsi yog tus tsim txoj cai los kav lub ntiaj teb no ua cas koj yuav khav txiv tag npaum ko, koj lub tswv yim twb kav tsi tau koj lub taub hau lawm ne.
> hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
> qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
Yah ceev faj tsam yah tau hlob kav hlau ces nyob ib hnub npaum li nyob ib xyoos hauv Jail nawb, ces poj niam ho mus yuav txiv ntsiab lawm, tsi muaj neeg xa mov rau koj noj ov, ze ze qhov koj yuav tau mus suav tawb piv lawm laus.
Kuv yeej hais tias yog neeg npub, yog qws npug tawg no yog tiag tiag nawb, hnub no ib tsoom uas tuaj nyeem yuav paub txog yawg laib ruam tua tso yah lub tswv yim tsi yog hlwb neeg ntawd zoo.
Tus neeg lub tswv yim nyob li koj no xwb mas piv tsi tau Siv Yis ib nyuag qhov li ov, cov Hmoob uas kom pom kuv tau nrog nyob dua los lawm tsi tau muaj ib tug yuav qauj li koj no, es sib cav pem xwb es txawm yuav hwv txog bullets koj ces yog Sub Tuam npav nrog Siv Yis sib tua ntag ne. Koj puas taub tias tus neeg kawm paub txog Hmoob kav lis cev cai zaj haiv tag lawm mas tsi ruam li yah nas.
Koj nco koj lus nawb, koj hais tias yog kuv muaj bullets ntau ntau mas kuv li thuam koj, rau qhov koj tseem loj tshaj yawm saub thiab Vajtswv ntuj lawm, yah ces tsuas nyob zoo li yah plhw ntiv qeej thiab tos hlob kav hlau lawm xwb les.
Koj saib nov nawb yah, koj cov bullets naj.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQksAtI5lS4
Luag hais tias koj taw nplua koj quav koj tes muag koj suav ces yog li no los mas
http://www.allguinness.com/steamedrice/?p=761
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://murderpedia.org/male.V/images/vang_chai_soua/016b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://murderpedia.org/male.V/v/vang-chai-soua-photos.htm&h=512&w=321&sz=32&tbnid=Y9DSghguUML4vM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=55&zoom=1&usg=__LSOB9NwNSiU5zI37OexfQqZBhGc=&docid=E_uxb5VgRk9wuM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q1KXUYC6DOXEyQH2_4DgCg&sqi=2&ved=0CKMBEP4dMA4
Thaum ntawd koj xav txog lig lawm ces koj kua muag poob li Chai Soua Vang no ntag.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.allguinness.com/images/Vangtrial.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allguinness.com/steamedrice/?p%3D761&h=216&w=400&sz=60&tbnid=6q9yGXKSJYrOrM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=163&zoom=1&usg=__o3EJEx1KGYexzs3RnpSr_U53Y1g=&docid=ktoxjeTTUmkU7M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q1KXUYC6DOXEyQH2_4DgCg&sqi=2&ved=0CKcBEP4dMBA
YTK
Yaj Tshaj Koob
May 18, 2013, 6:38:07 AM5/18/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 11:16:27 PM UTC-5, yah...@hotmail.com wrote:
> ytk,
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> hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
yah,
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> hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
Koj nyob ze ze rau qib no lawm ov ua zoo tau xuas khaub hlab so 3 tus kav hlau ntawm qhov rais nawb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1GxqmVGYY
YTK
avan...@yahoo.com
May 18, 2013, 6:45:45 AM5/18/13
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Yah,
Koj twb teb koj nqai lug noog lawm luasmas. Koj yeej sau ntawv nrawm, ntaus ntawv yuamkev, xaav tomntej tomqaab, saib moog saab koj xaav nov.
adam/eve yog tuabneeg tuab yaam le sivyig/subntuam. Koj yeej hlo ntse hab ceev npaum le koj sauntawv ntaag. Zaaj lugntsuag has txug theem noobneej kev ua zoo/ua phem (adam and eve / serpent = sivyig / subtuam) not yawmsaub (God)/sisyig and subtuam.
Maajmaam xaav, maajmaam saib, maajmaam sauntawv txhajle yog nawb.
Koj twb teb koj nqai lug noog lawm luasmas. Koj yeej sau ntawv nrawm, ntaus ntawv yuamkev, xaav tomntej tomqaab, saib moog saab koj xaav nov.
adam/eve yog tuabneeg tuab yaam le sivyig/subntuam. Koj yeej hlo ntse hab ceev npaum le koj sauntawv ntaag. Zaaj lugntsuag has txug theem noobneej kev ua zoo/ua phem (adam and eve / serpent = sivyig / subtuam) not yawmsaub (God)/sisyig and subtuam.
Maajmaam xaav, maajmaam saib, maajmaam sauntawv txhajle yog nawb.
yah...@hotmail.com
May 18, 2013, 4:48:32 PM5/18/13
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avang..
neej yag hais tais neej yag sau ntawv nrawm...and mistakes...temsis neej yag tsi xaav nrawm...yeej xaav zoo zoo mam has...which is why it is important to be consistent in your thoughts...
if we keep it simple then it would be that adam/eve didn't listen...and thus killing the world...
applying this simplicity to subtuam/sivyig...then it would be that sivyig killed subtuam's family in a very evil way...thus killing man afterward...
however, your thoughts are not consistent...you seem to think simple when you are referring to the bible....but went into deep thoughts when reflexing about subtuam/sivyig...
if you do have this abiblity to have deep thoughts, then that same abiblity should be applied to the bible in order to be a "fair, ncajnceeg"...not to anyone else...but to the self so that all things can be learned.
in essence you seem to have more than enough questions about subtuam/sivyig...but failed in the bible....that is what i'm saying. as i said before, haveing deep thoughts should be applied to "god is all knowing...therefore he must have know beforehand...."..these things point to god being the culprit.
i will not lie to mong or myself that sivyig was a goody guy...he and his people suffered cuz of what he did to subtuam's family....according to the story, this is very obvious...and for ytk not to knwo this, he's a fool
yh
neej yag hais tais neej yag sau ntawv nrawm...and mistakes...temsis neej yag tsi xaav nrawm...yeej xaav zoo zoo mam has...which is why it is important to be consistent in your thoughts...
if we keep it simple then it would be that adam/eve didn't listen...and thus killing the world...
applying this simplicity to subtuam/sivyig...then it would be that sivyig killed subtuam's family in a very evil way...thus killing man afterward...
however, your thoughts are not consistent...you seem to think simple when you are referring to the bible....but went into deep thoughts when reflexing about subtuam/sivyig...
if you do have this abiblity to have deep thoughts, then that same abiblity should be applied to the bible in order to be a "fair, ncajnceeg"...not to anyone else...but to the self so that all things can be learned.
in essence you seem to have more than enough questions about subtuam/sivyig...but failed in the bible....that is what i'm saying. as i said before, haveing deep thoughts should be applied to "god is all knowing...therefore he must have know beforehand...."..these things point to god being the culprit.
i will not lie to mong or myself that sivyig was a goody guy...he and his people suffered cuz of what he did to subtuam's family....according to the story, this is very obvious...and for ytk not to knwo this, he's a fool
yh
yah...@hotmail.com
May 18, 2013, 4:53:09 PM5/18/13
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ytk...
koj tus kheej kiag koj twb lees tias koj yeej tsi paub txog hmoob lees ntuag qhauv hmo 30.....temsis koj ho tias kuv dag thiab....
koj cov bullets ces kawg qhov koj qhia kuv tias koj tsi paub, temsis koj ho thuam tias kuv kuv dag...
ruam li ko es thiaj li quaj qw quaj qw li koj cov ntawv, tsi paub tom ntej tom qab..thiab thiaj pluag tswvyim txujci li koj ma...
kavtsij qhia rau sawvdaws tias koj ruam li ko no mas.....kuv tseem xav nyeem koj cov lus kawg li..ib ke nyeem ib ke hlub koj 2 lub qhov ma..ib ke xav tias ua cas seb vijsub ruam ruag koj ntau heev no xwb
koj tus kheej kiag koj twb lees tias koj yeej tsi paub txog hmoob lees ntuag qhauv hmo 30.....temsis koj ho tias kuv dag thiab....
koj cov bullets ces kawg qhov koj qhia kuv tias koj tsi paub, temsis koj ho thuam tias kuv kuv dag...
ruam li ko es thiaj li quaj qw quaj qw li koj cov ntawv, tsi paub tom ntej tom qab..thiab thiaj pluag tswvyim txujci li koj ma...
kavtsij qhia rau sawvdaws tias koj ruam li ko no mas.....kuv tseem xav nyeem koj cov lus kawg li..ib ke nyeem ib ke hlub koj 2 lub qhov ma..ib ke xav tias ua cas seb vijsub ruam ruag koj ntau heev no xwb
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May 18, 2013, 10:28:33 PM5/18/13
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On Saturday, May 18, 2013 3:48:32 PM UTC-5, yah...@hotmail.com wrote:
> avang..
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> neej yag hais tais neej yag sau ntawv nrawm...and mistakes...temsis neej yag tsi xaav nrawm...yeej xaav zoo zoo mam has...which is why it is important to be consistent in your thoughts...
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> however, your thoughts are not consistent...you seem to think simple when you are referring to the bible....but went into deep thoughts when reflexing about subtuam/sivyig...
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> if you do have this abiblity to have deep thoughts, then that same abiblity should be applied to the bible in order to be a "fair, ncajnceeg"...not to anyone else...but to the self so that all things can be learned.
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> avang..
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> neej yag hais tais neej yag sau ntawv nrawm...and mistakes...temsis neej yag tsi xaav nrawm...yeej xaav zoo zoo mam has...which is why it is important to be consistent in your thoughts...
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> if we keep it simple then it would be that adam/eve didn't listen...and thus killing the world...
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> applying this simplicity to subtuam/sivyig...then it would be that sivyig killed subtuam's family in a very evil way...thus killing man afterward...
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> however, your thoughts are not consistent...you seem to think simple when you are referring to the bible....but went into deep thoughts when reflexing about subtuam/sivyig...
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> if you do have this abiblity to have deep thoughts, then that same abiblity should be applied to the bible in order to be a "fair, ncajnceeg"...not to anyone else...but to the self so that all things can be learned.
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> i will not lie to mong or myself that sivyig was a goody guy...he and his people suffered cuz of what he did to subtuam's family....according to the story, this is very obvious...and for ytk not to knwo this, he's a fool
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YOG LAUDtus GOD hauv phau bible ces txawm yog tus design kom ADAM/EVE noj lub txiv ntawd xwb ntag. txhob txwm muab cuab kev kom nkawv noj kiag xwb tsis tas li los bible twb tias GOD paub txhua yam tom paus ti nkaus tom ntsis. nws twb paub thiab pom tias muab ADAM/EVE tso raulub VAJ txiv ntoo ntawd nkawv yeej yuav NOJ 101% los nws twb tseem muab nkawv tso kiag rau ntawd leej twg yog tus PHEM. tus GOD hauv phau bible xwb ntag. yog muaj tseeb2 li bible hais ces tus GOD hauv phau bible yeej design kom neeg nyoblub ntiaj teb no mus exactlyli niaj hnub no lawm ntxov. nws yog tus muaj power u tau txhua yam. lub ntuj no ymuaj WW1, WW2, thiab WW3 los yog los ntawm tus GOD twb design tseg ntev2lawm.
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leej twg CHIM tsis txaus siab no mus quaj CEM tus GOD hauv phau bvible rau cov ntseeg hom ntawd.
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yah...@hotmail.com
May 19, 2013, 12:30:47 AM5/19/13
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yog mas...yog muab xaav zoo zoo tes yeej yog le kuv thaam hov txug vaajtswv....tsi yog tim leejtwg..yog tim the bible god limham es planned man's death but blaimed it on lucifer and adam/even. temsis yog muab xaav ndlav ndlav tes kuj yog le cov ntseeg has--god is all perfect.
temsis ua neej nyob mas kuv tsi nyam hypocrites...example....ib tug christain talks about god mas has zoo tag tag, tsi xaav txug tej kev phem kws god ua le....but has txug lwm tug god mas, has phem tag tag....cov tuabneeg zoo le nuav tes yog neeg ruam xwb. ib tug moob taalks about christiaity mas has phem tag tag...temsis tig rov lug rua moob mas has zoo tag tag...dlaag le dlaag xwb. tug nuav los kuv tsi nyam. sawvdlawg tuv paub tas religion yog tuabneeg tsim xwb...yeej muaj phem muaj zoo..phem tuabyaam zoo tuabyaam. yog yauv thaum tes thuam yug ua ntej maam thuam luas le..
neejyag tub has ncaaj tas vijsubvijsw came about becuase of sivyig's evil treatment of subtuam/loobyeeeg. txhua tug yeej muaj phem muaj zoo...subtuam tub zoo kawg, nws txhaj tu tubkwm hlub tav txuj. temsis nwg sab ceev, nwg txhaj yuav tua tubkwm. sivyig yeej sab zoo, tebchaws txhaj nyam nwg..temsis nwg sab phem lug ntawm txuj kev liamham, kev dlaag, hab kev npam es kevphem lug raug rua noobneej xwb...vim li nuav sivyig txhaj raug vijsubvijsw cuz he was the evil one. MOOB YEEJ NTSEEG LE NUAV LAIV. tug phem tes npam, tug zoo tes taag 4...tsi muaj teebmeem tshwmsim.
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temsis ua neej nyob mas kuv tsi nyam hypocrites...example....ib tug christain talks about god mas has zoo tag tag, tsi xaav txug tej kev phem kws god ua le....but has txug lwm tug god mas, has phem tag tag....cov tuabneeg zoo le nuav tes yog neeg ruam xwb. ib tug moob taalks about christiaity mas has phem tag tag...temsis tig rov lug rua moob mas has zoo tag tag...dlaag le dlaag xwb. tug nuav los kuv tsi nyam. sawvdlawg tuv paub tas religion yog tuabneeg tsim xwb...yeej muaj phem muaj zoo..phem tuabyaam zoo tuabyaam. yog yauv thaum tes thuam yug ua ntej maam thuam luas le..
neejyag tub has ncaaj tas vijsubvijsw came about becuase of sivyig's evil treatment of subtuam/loobyeeeg. txhua tug yeej muaj phem muaj zoo...subtuam tub zoo kawg, nws txhaj tu tubkwm hlub tav txuj. temsis nwg sab ceev, nwg txhaj yuav tua tubkwm. sivyig yeej sab zoo, tebchaws txhaj nyam nwg..temsis nwg sab phem lug ntawm txuj kev liamham, kev dlaag, hab kev npam es kevphem lug raug rua noobneej xwb...vim li nuav sivyig txhaj raug vijsubvijsw cuz he was the evil one. MOOB YEEJ NTSEEG LE NUAV LAIV. tug phem tes npam, tug zoo tes taag 4...tsi muaj teebmeem tshwmsim.
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Yaj Tshaj Koob
May 19, 2013, 12:42:30 AM5/19/13
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On Saturday, May 18, 2013 3:53:09 PM UTC-5, yah...@hotmail.com wrote:
yah,
> koj tus kheej kiag koj twb lees tias koj yeej tsi paub txog hmoob lees ntuag qhauv hmo 30.....temsis koj ho tias kuv dag thiab....
Kuv tsi tau hais li koj hais saum no ov, kuv yeej paub Hmoob txhua hom suab, tsuas yog koj es tab hais tias Hmoob Lees-Hmoob Lees tas li, koj tub tsi paub koj lub npe Hmoob yog hom Hmoob twg, tos koj ho muaj kev ntuag qhauv hmo 30 cag tsaus ntuj los ntshe nej muaj kev khaum loj, luag lwm pab uas yog Moob Sib ntawd tsi yog koj pab lees ho tsi ntuas qhauv rau qhov luag tsi yog neeg phem luag thiaj tsi muaj vij Sub li nej.
> koj cov bullets ces kawg qhov koj qhia kuv tias koj tsi paub, temsis koj ho thuam tias kuv kuv dag...
> ruam li ko es thiaj li quaj qw quaj qw li koj cov ntawv, tsi paub tom ntej tom qab..thiab thiaj pluag tswvyim txujci li koj ma...
Kuv ntseeg hais tias tej lus kuv tham mas neeg tuaj nyeem lawv tseem to taub tias yog kuv hais dab tsi, koj li ces tab txawm sau txaij zaj txaij zees tsheej phab ntawv los tsi muaj leej twg to taub tias xyov yog koj hais dab tsi. tus neeg tsi pluag tswv yin hais lus tsi muaj leej twg paub tias xyov yog nws hais lus neej los yog hais lus dab.
> kavtsij qhia rau sawvdaws tias koj ruam li ko no mas.....kuv tseem xav nyeem koj cov lus kawg li..ib ke nyeem ib ke hlub koj 2 lub qhov ma..ib ke xav tias ua cas seb vijsub ruam ruag koj ntau heev no xwb
Kuv ntseeg hais tias muaj 10 leej tuaj nyeem wb sib cav pem mas ntshe twb tsi muaj ib tug tias kuv ruam, ho koj li mas 10 leej tsi paub lub ntsia lus xyov koj hais koj dab tsi, hais ua niag tws pes laws.
> hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
Koj mas nim hais cuag li uas yog Yawm Saub tso koj los ua cawm seej li Yesxus thiab Siv Yis lawv, Siv Yis los tiv thaiv dab noj nyoos haus txia, Yesxus los tiv thaiv noob neej txoj kev lim hiam huab noj huab haus tsi ncaj ncees, pes dab pes mlom, ua li koj ho yog tus cawm seej rau zaj twg, es koj nim yuav hais cuag li huab tais ntuj tso koj los theej tib neeg ib yam dab tsi hauv ntiaj teb no.
Koj hais lus tsi muaj neeg to taub koj ib nyuag qhov tias koj cov lus muaj tshoom thawj, muaj kuab npaum cas li, txhua tus nyeem koj tej ntawv tag nco tsi tau tias lo twg yog lo uas tseem ceeb hlo li, ntshe yog ntse dhau nraum xwb qwb lawm los cas, kuv tsi tau hnov ib tus twg qhuas koj huav SCH no li, ua li koj xav ne koj puas paub tias koj nyob lub title twg lawm tiag.
Kuv ntseeg hais tias koj mus zaum hauv koj lub pob tawb es koj rov xuas koj ob sab tes nqa koj nkaus xwb tus kheej yuav ua cas sawv taus, Nom Pov Xyooj mas khav theeb kawg thiab tab sis tseem luv koj lawm ntau npaug.
YTK
yah,
> koj tus kheej kiag koj twb lees tias koj yeej tsi paub txog hmoob lees ntuag qhauv hmo 30.....temsis koj ho tias kuv dag thiab....
> koj cov bullets ces kawg qhov koj qhia kuv tias koj tsi paub, temsis koj ho thuam tias kuv kuv dag...
> ruam li ko es thiaj li quaj qw quaj qw li koj cov ntawv, tsi paub tom ntej tom qab..thiab thiaj pluag tswvyim txujci li koj ma...
> kavtsij qhia rau sawvdaws tias koj ruam li ko no mas.....kuv tseem xav nyeem koj cov lus kawg li..ib ke nyeem ib ke hlub koj 2 lub qhov ma..ib ke xav tias ua cas seb vijsub ruam ruag koj ntau heev no xwb
> hlub koj ob lub qhov muag....hlub koj txoj kev ruam....kvu tsi paub tias ib niag laus li no yauv ruam txog hnub twg na? zoo li koj ruam ruam qaug cawv li lawm sub. qhov zoo tshaj..kav tsij mus ntim bullets ntau ntau ua ntej koj yuav thuam kuv...
Koj hais lus tsi muaj neeg to taub koj ib nyuag qhov tias koj cov lus muaj tshoom thawj, muaj kuab npaum cas li, txhua tus nyeem koj tej ntawv tag nco tsi tau tias lo twg yog lo uas tseem ceeb hlo li, ntshe yog ntse dhau nraum xwb qwb lawm los cas, kuv tsi tau hnov ib tus twg qhuas koj huav SCH no li, ua li koj xav ne koj puas paub tias koj nyob lub title twg lawm tiag.
Kuv ntseeg hais tias koj mus zaum hauv koj lub pob tawb es koj rov xuas koj ob sab tes nqa koj nkaus xwb tus kheej yuav ua cas sawv taus, Nom Pov Xyooj mas khav theeb kawg thiab tab sis tseem luv koj lawm ntau npaug.
YTK
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May 19, 2013, 1:26:41 AM5/19/13
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AMEN mus pw lwm hnub mam tuaj sau dua.
Yaj Tshaj Koob
May 19, 2013, 6:47:57 AM5/19/13
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Koj yeej paub txog sab cov neeg muaj power los ntawm Yawm Saub los sis Vajtswv Ntuj txoj kev coj kev hloov tib neeg lub caij kev ua neej ntawm lub ntiaj teb no zoo lawm thiab, tos koj xij hais tias koj xij Vwm2 no uas koj yeej soj ntsuam paub mus tau tob kawg lawm thiab.
YTK
อนารยชน คนป่าเถื่อน ที่ยังไม่เจริญ
May 19, 2013, 11:17:25 AM5/19/13
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nyob tim meskas no los khwv2 ib yam li tim ub. tsuas pom txhawj txog nyiaj tsis txaus them tej nqe. nyob tim ub mas tsuas pom ntshai hma ntsuab tuaj caum yus tua pem havzoov ib xyoo ob peb lwm.
yah...@hotmail.com
May 19, 2013, 12:00:28 PM5/19/13
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yog tsi totaub ces nyob twbywm mloog zoo zoo xwb mas...
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yog tsi totaub ces nyob twbywm mloog zoo zoo xwb mas...
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