ua tsaug (funeral)
tommy...@my-deja.com
www.hmongnetwork.com/Hmong - I will be compiling these phrases and
others so that people can learn them. It's hard to actually go to
someone and learn them cuz some are too shy or just limit the resource.
Hais zaj ua tsaug thiab zaj teb tibsi nawb.
Thanks..
BTW, I will also post your name next to each phrase.
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Before you buy.
Dejadust
Sorry, I don't know this one! But I have 2 questions regarding Hmong
kev uatsaug rau cov qhua es muab nyiaj tshav ntuj...
1)...Nyiaj tshav ntuj: Thaum cov txiv neej muab nyiaj tshav ntuj los pab
lawm pam tus neeg tas sim neej ntawd, cov txais qhua ua lawv tsaug thiab
pe lawm, yog vim li cas lawm thiaj tsis pe tus pojniam/ntxhais uas tau
rho nyiaj los pab lawm thiab? Txawm lawv tsis pe tus pojniam uas muaj
txiv lawm los kuj tsis luaj twg tabsis tus ntxhais uas tseem tsis tau
muaj txiv na, nws kuj muaj ib npaug tias yog kev pab thiab no, puas
yog??? Ua cas lawv thiaj tsis pe nws?????
2)...Kuv tautaub tias ntawd yog peb hmoob kev lig kev cai, yog li no peb
hloov puas tau? Yog tau no, kuv xav hais tias peb cov ntxhais yeej yuav
pab ntau dua thiab tawm ntsej muag coob dua qub thiab!
Just a 21st century thought....:)
--
Dejadust
(*.*)
lajn...@my-deja.com
kuv ntseeg tau mas txawm yog leej twg muab nyiaj tshav ntuj los tsim
nyog peb los ua nws tsaug. qhov no yuav tsum yog cov xyom cuab txawj
xav thiab paub cai. txawm tias xyom cuab tsis qhau lub hauv caug los
pe cov muam, cov ntxhais, cov pojniam los tsim nyog xyom cuab hais lo
lus ua tus muam ntawd tsaug ua ntej; tom qab ntawd, yog xyomcuab siab
tsis kheev los lawd yuav tau mus coj ib tug txheeb ze ntawm tus muam
ntawd coj los ua tsaug thiab pe nws. kev pab nyiaj tshav ntuj yog ib
qho tseem ceeb, yog li no, peb tsis txhob mom luag txheej hais tias
luag tsis tau muaj txiv los yog tsis muaj cov txiv neej txheeb ze tuaj
nyob ntawv. luag tej laus twb piv txoj lug hais tias "ib nploog los
yog txiaj, ob nploog los yog ntsim.". Lo lus ua tsaug rau tus muam
ntawd yog ib qho qhia tau hais tias peb yuav nco nws tus txiaj ntsha
txiaj ntsim. ho hais ib qho ntxiv, kuv xav hais tias tus muam ntawd
yuav tsis xav li cas yog xyom cuab twb ua nws tsaug lawm tiam sis tsis
qhau lub hauv caug rau nws xwb. yog cov txawj xav, qhov no yuav tsim
muaj teeb meem dabtsi.
I would also like to open the discussion to this: How about some of
those who "tsis coj qub kev cai lawm" es prefer kom xyomcuab tsis txhob
pe nws? But, kuj muaj ib txhia es ntseeg kev cai tshiab (vajtswv
ntuj), tiam sis thaum lawv ua tsaug, ho tsis ua tus neeg pab nyiaj
ntawd tsaug tiam sis lawv prefer to ua vajtswv tsaug. Qhov no ne nej
ho xav li cas?
--Lajntxiag
hmon...@hotmail.com
I know Hmong takes cov nyiaj "tshav ntuj" at a traditional funeral
very seriously and honorably. Rarely does the family of a deceased
neglect a donor, especially through the many layers of people assigned
with the duties to offer gratitude to any one coming to the family's
aid. At least, that's what I have seen in all of these years. There
is a Hmong system in place to ua "kwv tij neej tsa, poj niam, txiv
neej, sawv daws tsaug" when money has been offered, and a reasonable
Hmong family virtually never messes that up, especially in this
country, even when the donor may have been an married woman, a widow,
or divorced woman.
For purpose of fairness to this great Hmong tradition, can you tell us
here on SCH what SPECIFICALLY happened to you when you gave money to
the family of the deceased that you went to?
tommy...@my-deja.com
hmon...@hotmail.com wrote:
> In article <8ul8b0$6dj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Dejadust <deja...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> very seriously and honorably. Rarely does the family of a deceased
> neglect a donor, especially through the many layers of people assigned
> with the duties to offer gratitude to any one coming to the family's
> aid. At least, that's what I have seen in all of these years. There
> is a Hmong system in place to ua "kwv tij neej tsa, poj niam, txiv
> neej, sawv daws tsaug" when money has been offered, and a reasonable
> Hmong family virtually never messes that up, especially in this
> country, even when the donor may have been an married woman, a widow,
> or divorced woman.
>
> For purpose of fairness to this great Hmong tradition, can you tell us
> here on SCH what SPECIFICALLY happened to you when you gave money to
> the family of the deceased that you went to?
>
I'd appreciate it if everyone would stay on topic.
Dejadust
> For purpose of fairness to this great Hmong tradition, can you tell us
> here on SCH what SPECIFICALLY happened to you when you gave money to
> the family of the deceased that you went to?
Raws li kuv tau muab muab nyiaj tshav ntuj los kuj tsis muaj teeb meem
los yog kev tsis zoo nkauj... Tabsis tsuas yog xav paub haistias yog
vim licas thiaj tsis pe no xwb..
Txhua txhua zaus kuv mus yog tsis muab xwb yog muab ces yeej muaj cov
laus thiab cov som cuab los ua tsaug coob coob leej kawg li... Tsuas
yog muaj ib zaug lawv nug tias kuv tus txiv npe hu li cas thiab xeem
dabtsis but kuv tsis tau muaj txiv ces lawv cia li tsis paub ua licas
lawm. Cov txiv neej sawv pliaj liab vog ntawd ces mam muaj ib tug laus
los ua tsaug xwb... My first reaction was to laugh but I was a bit taken
by the question that was asked, even though it was an
appropriate question.
hmon...@hotmail.com
Ua tsaug ntau. Kuv nug koj yog vim tias kuv zoo li no nyob pem Hmoob
cov tsev txias, hais txog ntam kev ua tsaug tshav ntuj rau cov poj niam.
1. Yog tus poj niam ntawd yog ib tug professional woman uas tsis tau
muaj txiv ( unmarried ), e.g. a teacher, ces kuv pom cov laus los nug
nws tias nws txiv los yog nws ib tug nus, los yog nws cov kwv tij yog
leej twg, ces cov laus mus coj tus poj niam ntawd ib tus neeg los ua
tsaug.
2. Yog tus poj niam ntawd yog ib tug poj nrauj/los yog poj ntsuam, no
los xyom cuab yeej nug tias saib nws cov neeg yog leej twg, es xyom
cuab thiaj paub mus coj nws los ua tsaug.
3. Muaj ntau yim xyom cuab yeej xav ua tsaug rau tus poj niam kiag tab
sis raws li tau pom los, mas tus poj niam uas pab nyiaj ntawd tsis xav
kom xyom cuab ua li ntawd. Normally, nws tsis kheev lawv pe nws.
Conclusion:
My feeling is that when a woman gives money at the funeral, xyom cuab
should pe nws like any other donor, because that's not a big deal to
do. I just wonder if Hmong women are ready for that? If they,
especially cov tsis muaj txiv, are ready to take part in the kev ua
tsaug, I think it's ok to tell xyom cuab that you are ready to go
for...ces cia li nrog lawv pe kiag xwb, tsis txhob xav ntau yam thiab
ua xyem xyav. As this practice gets going, xyom cuab will not be
caught at a surprise as in your scenario above.
But, if you women want to reserve that to your father, brother, uncles,
or clan relatives, I also think that too is an honorable gesture on
your part and there is nothing sexist about it in my mind. But, heh..,
what do I know?
Chi Smith
muaj peb qhov ua tsaug....ua tsaug nyiaj...ua tsaug cov thawv, dablaug...mus
rau txiv qeej tej ntawed...uas lawd tuaj ua hawjlwm....
ua tsaug tuaj ua qhua....peb yam no sib txawv....seb yog nej xav tau
dabtsi???
tommy...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ul6hq$4v1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
yawgl...@my-deja.com
> los yog kev tsis zoo nkauj... Tabsis tsuas yog xav paub haistias yog
> vim licas thiaj tsis pe no xwb..
>
> Txhua txhua zaus kuv mus yog tsis muab xwb yog muab ces yeej muaj cov
> laus thiab cov som cuab los ua tsaug coob coob leej kawg li... Tsuas
> yog muaj ib zaug lawv nug tias kuv tus txiv npe hu li cas thiab xeem
> dabtsis but kuv tsis tau muaj txiv ces lawv cia li tsis paub ua licas
> lawm. Cov txiv neej sawv pliaj liab vog ntawd ces mam muaj ib tug
laus
> los ua tsaug xwb... My first reaction was to laugh but I was a bit
taken
> by the question that was asked, even though it was an
> appropriate question.
> --
> Dejadust
> (*.*)
>
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> Before you buy.
>
Perhaps next time you can ask the Yawglospaav to pretend as your
partner. I am sure we'll get a full bow from them... :) JK.
hmon...@hotmail.com
yawgl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8unhll$qgd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Dejadust <deja...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
meem
> > los yog kev tsis zoo nkauj... Tabsis tsuas yog xav paub haistias
yog
> > vim licas thiaj tsis pe no xwb..
> >
> > Txhua txhua zaus kuv mus yog tsis muab xwb yog muab ces yeej muaj
cov
> > laus thiab cov som cuab los ua tsaug coob coob leej kawg li...
Tsuas
> > yog muaj ib zaug lawv nug tias kuv tus txiv npe hu li cas thiab xeem
> > dabtsis but kuv tsis tau muaj txiv ces lawv cia li tsis paub ua
licas
> > lawm. Cov txiv neej sawv pliaj liab vog ntawd ces mam muaj ib tug
> laus
> > los ua tsaug xwb... My first reaction was to laugh but I was a bit
> taken
> > by the question that was asked, even though it was an
> > appropriate question.
> > --
> > Dejadust
> > (*.*)
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
>
> partner. I am sure we'll get a full bow from them... :) JK.
>
There you go. That's definitely another approach. But, if you think
about Yawglospaav's statement carefully, it speaks to the degree of
respect and gratitude Hmong people really have for those who help them
out at a difficult time. They don't even ask if Yawglospaav's deserves
such showing, who may be a total stranger or pretender, but they
automatically do it because of the respect and gratitude to the woman
for her contribution.
So, be CHOOSEY in your "hluas nraug", because Hmong do give much
respect to him [that's usually unheard of in another culture/society],
even in situation where he might be total wimp and has not deserved the
respect but for your donation.
Dejadust
> So, be CHOOSEY in your "hluas nraug", because Hmong do give much
> respect to him [that's usually unheard of in another culture/society],
> even in situation where he might be total wimp and has not deserved
the
> respect but for your donation.
BE CHOOSEY??? Know any good one?? Cuz I'm out of road map
here... Twb nrhav tsis tau le es tseem kom be choosey hab???
...hehehehe...Tank U!
Dejadust
> Perhaps next time you can ask the Yawglospaav to pretend as your
> partner. I am sure we'll get a full bow from them... :) JK.
Hmmm...has tau ntxim sab kawg tab sis NkaujDeja tsis tau tsaa ncauj has
Yawglospaav twb tso plau lawm es...:)!
xeejpeem mas!
hmon...@hotmail.com
Dejadust <deja...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > So, be CHOOSEY in your "hluas nraug", because Hmong do give much
> > respect to him [that's usually unheard of in another
culture/society],
> > even in situation where he might be total wimp and has not deserved
> the
> > respect but for your donation.
>
> BE CHOOSEY??? Know any good one?? Cuz I'm out of road map
> here... Twb nrhav tsis tau le es tseem kom be choosey hab???
>
> ...hehehehe...Tank U!
Tsis yoom nyuab sab kag le. Rau sab ua dlej ua num los yog kawm ntaub
kawm ntawv. Tsim yug tug kheej kuas txaus txaus lawm; tug quas yawg
xwb yeej yuav tsum tau for sure.
Txhob ntxhuv sab; ua sab tug tug hab ua sab tawv qhawv. Tsim txaj
npaum le mej ko, yov yuav leej twg twb tau, ntshai yog yug tsua xyeej
lua xwb. Lub caij lub nyoog lug txug hnub twg, yug yeej yuav nrhav tau
tug kws yuav hlub hav yuav nrug yug tsaav yug lub neej moog taag ib sim.
Cov ntxhais Hmoob txim txaj le mej cov hluas nig nuav yog ib qhov chaw
ca sab rau peb cov quas laug kawg nkaus. Peb nrug mej zoo sab and tau
ntsej muag tsis txawj taag. We elders are truly blessed by you all.
Dejadust
hmon...@hotmail.com wrote:
> In article <8upm9p$i4p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Dejadust <deja...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So, be CHOOSEY in your "hluas nraug", because Hmong do give much
> > > respect to him [that's usually unheard of in another
> culture/society],
> > > even in situation where he might be total wimp and has not
deserved
> > the
> > > respect but for your donation.
> >
> > BE CHOOSEY??? Know any good one?? Cuz I'm out of road map
> > here... Twb nrhav tsis tau le es tseem kom be choosey hab???
> >
> > ...hehehehe...Tank U!
> kawm ntawv. Tsim yug tug kheej kuas txaus txaus lawm; tug quas yawg
> xwb yeej yuav tsum tau for sure.
>
> Txhob ntxhuv sab; ua sab tug tug hab ua sab tawv qhawv. Tsim txaj
> npaum le mej ko, yov yuav leej twg twb tau, ntshai yog yug tsua xyeej
> lua xwb. Lub caij lub nyoog lug txug hnub twg, yug yeej yuav nrhav
tau
> tug kws yuav hlub hav yuav nrug yug tsaav yug lub neej moog taag ib
sim.
>
> Cov ntxhais Hmoob txim txaj le mej cov hluas nig nuav yog ib qhov chaw
> ca sab rau peb cov quas laug kawg nkaus. Peb nrug mej zoo sab and tau
> ntsej muag tsis txawj taag. We elders are truly blessed by you all.
>
hmmmm...Ua caag cov laug pheej kuam yug ua zoo es txawm tsis xaav yuav
luas los yeej yuav tau or tsis naav lub zaam zoo los luas yeej yuav
pum...tsis khob kuampoom los luas yeej yuav lug nua es kuv twb nab nub
khoh kuampoom es caag tsis muaj leejtwg lug le ma!!!...hehehe, laam tso
dlaag xwb vim koj cov lug zoo heev.
hehehe...Ua tsaug!
xa...@my-deja.com
Ua tsaug ov...[then, state the person's name/relationship to you]. Koj
tsi ca le; koj tseem paab nyaj paab txaj tuaj tsua peb tsev xyom cuab
ntaa dlaab ntaa qhua. Yog peb ua neej xws luas tes peb yuav ncu koj
tshaaj ntuj. Yog peb ua neej tsi xws luas tes yuav muab koj kev tshaav
ntuj ntsum zoov ntsum tsuag koj yaaj moog.
Ua tsaug - the giver:
Txhob ua tsaug. Mej muaj kev pluj kev tuag, tsev puag tsev nroog. Yog
kuv ua neej xws luas tes tub yuav paab nyaj paab txaj tuaj tsua mej
tsev xyom cuab ntaa dlaab ntaa qhua lawm. Tab sis kuv ua neej tsi xws
luas tes tsuas yog coj ob lub qhov muag tuaj saib xwb es sawv tsi txhob
ua tsaug.
There are other more difficult versions but since I don't know enough
to explain it here I can only offer my novice and paraphrased version.
In article <8ul6hq$4v1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
tommy...@my-deja.com wrote:
yawgl...@my-deja.com
Dejadust <deja...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps next time you can ask the Yawglospaav to pretend as your
> > partner. I am sure we'll get a full bow from them... :) JK.
>
> Hmmm...has tau ntxim sab kawg tab sis NkaujDeja tsis tau tsaa ncauj
has
> Yawglospaav twb tso plau lawm es...:)!
>
> xeejpeem mas!
>
Ua sab ntev ma...Leejmuam.
tommy...@my-deja.com
tommy...@my-deja.com
Ua tsaug. You can see your post at http://www.hmongnetwork.com/Hmong
again, thank you for being the first to answer and share your phrase.
Dejadust
> Ua sab ntev ma...Leejmuam.
Alright, Yawglospaav...Looks like I may need your help after all! How
about it, huh?? Another love triangle tragedy and this time it hits
home...
....Let me know...