Hmong Genealogy
Chao
Moobsib
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zhen
kuv thov noog koj 2-3 lo lus puas tau? raws li nyob hauv qhov website
no, nws sau li hauv qab no:
Hmong Genealogy documents and keeps records of the Hmong family trees
for more than six generations including all known ancestors who
migrated from China to Indochina in the 1800s. Most of the ancestors
settled in Laos, while a few settled in North Vietnam and Northern
Thailand. Moua Za Phia or Zam Txoov Kav (Za Zhong Gak) was a well
known leader and his migration to Laos brought many Hmong with him.
While ruling in northern Laos, Moua Za Phia was titled Moua Kia Tong
for his leadership. Moua Kia Tong and his descendants ruled for three
generations and then the leadership role was passed on to Lor Kia
Tong. Lor Kia Tong was the last well known Hmong leader prior to the
Vietnam-American War. In 1960 when the sercret war broke in Laos,
General Vang Pao has become the new Hmong leader who fought along the
French, the royal Lao King, and the American. When the American left,
over thousands of Hmong migrated to Australia, France, Canada, and
America. The tree of the Hmong has grown all around the globe.
1. where from china did your ancestors migrated from? from which
provinces/area of today's china?
2. where precisely in laos did most of the ancestors settled? i take
it in the nong het region?
3. were Moua Za Phia (MZP) and/or Zam Txoov Kav (ZTK) officials in
china?
4. when MZP was ruling in northern laos, what was the extent of his
powers? who titled hm Kia Tong?
5. you said Lor Kia Tong was the last well known hmong leader prior to
the Vietnam-American War, but do you think that Touby LyFoung may also
fit and/or rival such notoriety before the war?
6. did vang pao really fight along the french when the secret war
broke out in laos?
what happened to mouacouncils.org?
your site is intriguing, to say the least.
chiml...@ymail.com
For those of you who know Moua Kia Tong. " he ruled for 3
genarations". Nej sim pab qhia saib Moua Kia Tong kav Hmoob thaumtwg
txog thaumtwg? Thiab nyob qhovtwg rau qhovtwg? tamsim no Moua Kia Tong
tsevneeg ho yog pab pawg twg. care to share? Ua tsaug.
Chimlajxeeb.
DownUnder
> Just want to share with you a Hmong Genealogy website athttp://www.hmonggenealogy.com
Interesting subject...
I have been researching on this subject for many years (I use Family
Tree Maker program) and so far, there has been a lot of work done.
I believe the Lee Genealogy has almost been completed. The Thao (my
family) is completed... The Vang (VP) is completed. The Lo PajTxim is
in the process. The Moua ... I had that some one has completed.
While I was in France, I met with a senior old Minister of he old
Royal Lao Gov and he has done some impressive genealogy work on many
of the Lao family, especially the Lao Royal family. Some of you may
remember the couple who were shot dead in Thailand were actually on
the list of the Royal family of Chao Anou... so he is infact a
descendant of the Chao Anou family.
But much of the completed work is not yet release to the public.
zhen
> I have been researching on this subject for many years (I use Family
> Tree Maker program) and so far, there has been a lot of work done.
> I believe the Lee Genealogy has almost been completed. The Thao (my
> family) is completed... The Vang (VP) is completed. The Lo PajTxim is
> in the process. The Moua ... I had that some one has completed.
how many generations back?
Chao
All the different trees for each group of Hmong have been removed. All
the data are know listed only under one tree "Hmoob". After creating
so many trees for many different families, I found out that if two
people from two different trees get married, there is a problem of
joining them. It's hard to keep track of the different trees, so
instead of having different trees, now we just have different branches
of Hmong all under one tree.
For those of you who had signed up, if you didn't get an activation
email, please let me know and I will send you activation email. Due to
a server error a few weeks ago, some of you may not have received the
emails. And if want to setup a branch for your family or clan, I can
easily set that up for you so you have complete control of your
research as well as being able to link to other researcher's
collection without giving them permission to edit your people's data.
I will be doing some interviews this summer and get some more data.
DownUnder
zhen et. al.,
Here is one list of my family that I upload to the net few years
ago... 8 generations.
Always more update but I have no time to update this one.
http://www.lexicon.net/~lis01085/ftree/
The Lo PajTxhim family is still very sketchy but the main characters &
families (the male side only) are in place. The problem is to trace
the female side!
ABOUT THE KIATONG SU+YSTEM.....
About the Kiatong system, here is the shortest version (the full
version is in my book):
.... After Laos became a French protectorate in 1893, the Hmong
continue to lead their lives as before, but the tax was paid directly
to the French through a local network of Hmong chiefs who were
appointed by the French from 1896 and known as Kaitong – or better
known as Kiatong to the Hmong, an honorary title given to some Hmong
leaders of the Lo, Yang, and Moua. This kaitong system is related to
the French ‘canton” or ‘district’ but it used only in the northeast of
Laos and Western part of North Vietnam where it is call ‘Cai Tong”.
It is an appointed but powerful title given by the French to some
Hmong leaders of the Lo, Yang, and Moua for the purpose tax collection
in a designated region. Other Hmong family leaders of lesser status
were nominated to be Phoutong, Chongkone, Chongcha and Xaophay .
The Kiatong system was later abolished and replaced by Naikong after
1945 (and those Naikong regions were changed during the Vang Pao’s
(VP) era into Mouang.)
It is believed that Paj Txhim LO became the first Kiatong.
Although it was suggested that there were kiatong for the Lo, Lee,
Yang, Vang and Moua clans, there are only five (5) identifiable
Kiatong - two kiatong for the Lo (Paj Txhim and Blia Yao), two for the
Yang (Tsav Laum Ya and Zam Yias Yaj) and one for the Moua clan (Muas
Nom Tub) .
Kiatong Zam Yias Yaj ruled over Phake, Nampha to Vientiane .
Kaitong Tsav Laum Yaj, (replaced Kiatong Nyaj Yaag Moua – Phou Nong,
Phaj Kha – 1915 moved to Moung Phone) the only Hmong Ntsuab, rules
over Pha Kang, Mouang Nga but when he died, the area became under
Naikong Ntsuab Pov Yaj (Youa Pao Yang – in 1953) who command one
company of soldier at Tha Lin Noi .
The last Kiatong was Muas Nom Tub (Moua Nao Tou) at Phouxa, Phou Dou
and later that area came under the ruled of Naikong Chong Toua Moua
then Tou Lue Moua .
In the Nonghet area, after the death of Kiatong Paj Txhim Lo, there
was a period where there was no Kiatong as the Tasseng system came
into operation. Tasseng, Muas Zoov Kaim (Moua Zong Kai) who lived at
Pang Eeb was believed to be the first Hmong Tasseng of Keeb Khouei.
When the French wanted to build the road from Vietnam to Xieng Khouang
(see below), Tasseng Moua Zong Kai called a meeting of all his
Phoutong and Lo Bliayao took on the task of building that road. The
French appointed Lo Bliayao, as Kiatong and he became one of the most
well known and the most powerful man in the Nonghet area .... then
later on, after Kiatong Blia Ya died, the Kiaton position was
abolished and the Tasseng position in Nonghet become main focal of
power - becoming the seed of the split of the Lo and Lee that exists
until the present time.
(Extracted from my book .. "From Mountaintops to Cyberspace" to come
out one day!!!!)
Pao
Gloriana Moua
> Just want to share with you a Hmong Genealogy website at
> http://www.hmonggenealogy.com
I see that this thread is really old, but thought I would give it a try anyways. I am trying to do some research on my Hmong family. My father (a Moua) was a refugee in the Vietnam War. I was trying to register for your website, but am not able to for some reason. Is this site still active?
Thank you,
Gloriana Moua