UH connection with Hale-Bopp hoax?
Helen Rapozo
On 22 Jan 1997, Nathan P Yuen wrote:
>
> George Bendo (be...@payne.ifa.hawaii.edu) wrote:
>
> : Well, Brown puts the photo on the web, and Olivier Hainaut (a UH IfA postdoc
> : and recurring character in UH UFO stories) immediately finds the picture and
> : starts looking for it. He didn't have to search long, because the photo
> : of the comet is just like the one on the IfA webpage, only Brown's picture
> : has an extra dot.
>
> So this dot that mysteriously appeared on this version of the image is the
> object of all this madness eh?
>
> : Anything else you need to know?
>
> Is there any official statement from the prof who originally took the
> photo?
>
> P.S. Ain't it just wonderful how we get the inside scoops when it comes
> to UFOs trailing comets and earthquake predictions? We are truly blessed
> here in SCH.
Assuming this object tailing the comet is a spaceship from another
planet, I don't think these beings running the spaceship are
that bright if they have hostile intentions on us. Come on now
hide an invading fleet in a comet, where almost all of our telescopes
are looking on it? No, if I had to invade Earth with this method
I have the bulk of the fleet approach Earth from the side(s) where
the comet is not coming from.
Of course I'm not a real expert in space combat tho, shot myself
with a guided missile (otherwise known as a drone) while flying
a Klingon D6 battlecruiser.
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Craig Thompson
In <nortle-853...@news.lava.net> la...@lava.net (Mama Lani)
writes:
>
>
>Does anyone here listen to the Art Bell talk radio show on KHVH on
late
>nights? Art takes on all callers, but mostly kind of X-phile type
topics.
>Hale-Bopp was supposed to be a comet heading our way, but someone was
>claiming there was something huge attached to it, about four times the
>size of our sun (I think).
>
>I'm not totally clear on this because I actually missed the original
>show, but everybody was phoning into Art Bell the other day because
the
>guest making the claim, Courtney Brown, apparently was calling as
"proof"
>a photo that turns out to have been resident at our UH web site since
>September. Is the person who actually notified Art Bell about the UH
gif
>here on SCH?
>
>..His show is a real hodge podge of wild stuff. The ad for his show
>quotes a person who is telling him that the Hawaiian Islands is one of
>the hot spots for poltergeist activity!
>
Hale Bopp is simply an extraordinary comet that will be at it's
brightest around April Fools Day. Maybe somebody is trying an early
April Fool's joke on us!
Bu
Nathan Yuen
la...@lava.net (Mama Lani) wrote:
: Does anyone here listen to the Art Bell talk radio show on KHVH on late
: nights? Art takes on all callers, but mostly kind of X-phile type topics.
: Hale-Bopp was supposed to be a comet heading our way, but someone was
: claiming there was something huge attached to it, about four times the
: size of our sun (I think).
How interesting... didn't George mention that someone is speculating that
this attached object is of alien origin?
: ..His show is a real hodge podge of wild stuff. The ad for his show
: quotes a person who is telling him that the Hawaiian Islands is one of
: the hot spots for poltergeist activity!
Heh! They must read SCH.
<wave to poltergeist>
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George Bendo
In article <nortle-853...@news.lava.net>,
Mama Lani <la...@lava.net> wrote:
>
>Does anyone here listen to the Art Bell talk radio show on KHVH on late
>nights? Art takes on all callers, but mostly kind of X-phile type topics.
>Hale-Bopp was supposed to be a comet heading our way, but someone was
>claiming there was something huge attached to it, about four times the
>size of our sun (I think).
>
>I'm not totally clear on this because I actually missed the original
>show, but everybody was phoning into Art Bell the other day because the
>guest making the claim, Courtney Brown, apparently was calling as "proof"
>a photo that turns out to have been resident at our UH web site since
>September. Is the person who actually notified Art Bell about the UH .gif
>here on SCH?
>
I know the two people involved. I'm currently working as a TA for one of them.
Let's do this in chronological order.
Sometime before September 1995, Dave Tholen, a planetary person at UH's
Institute for Astronomy (IfA), took a CCD picture (in other words, a picture
immediately read into the computer by an electronic chip) at the UH 2.2m
telescope. After the normal processing procedure (to scale the pixels,
mainly) he put the picture on the IfA homepage. At this point in time, the
picture did not feature the UFO.
Sometime later, (I lose track of the exact details here) some people at
Emery University claimed to have received a picture of a UFO from a professor
"in a top 10 university". They passed it on to Courtney Brown & Co, who
then started to proclaim that this UFO predicted by computer wielding psychics
had been detected. However, no one would mention who the anonymous professor
was or show the picture. Brown decided to wait until this month (January 1997)
to show the picture to the world, just in case the mystery prof wanted to
come forward.
Well, Brown puts the photo on the web, and Olivier Hainaut (a UH IfA postdoc
and recurring character in UH UFO stories) immediately finds the picture and
starts looking for it. He didn't have to search long, because the photo
of the comet is just like the one on the IfA webpage, only Brown's picture
has an extra dot.
Hainaut then talks to Tholen, who says that he didn't change the original
photo nor give it to any of the UFO folks involved. Noting the similarities
in quality of the two photos (indicating the quality of the site and telescope
needed to take the photo) and the location of the comet in both photos
(which indicates which time the photo was taken), Tholen reaches the conclusion
that the UFO photo must be his photo with an extra dot added. Tholen writes
up a statement about the picture, and Hainaut puts both photos and the
statement on the web.
Well, the photos spread through the web rather quickly, and Art Bell got a
hold of the information, thus leading to the latest program with Brown.
Anything else you need to know?
George be...@ifa.hawaii.edu
Nathan P Yuen
George Bendo (be...@payne.ifa.hawaii.edu) wrote:
: Well, Brown puts the photo on the web, and Olivier Hainaut (a UH IfA postdoc
: and recurring character in UH UFO stories) immediately finds the picture and
: starts looking for it. He didn't have to search long, because the photo
: of the comet is just like the one on the IfA webpage, only Brown's picture
: has an extra dot.
So this dot that mysteriously appeared on this version of the image is the
object of all this madness eh?
: Anything else you need to know?
Is there any official statement from the prof who originally took the
photo?
P.S. Ain't it just wonderful how we get the inside scoops when it comes
to UFOs trailing comets and earthquake predictions? We are truly blessed
here in SCH.
Helen Rapozo
On 23 Jan 1997, George Bendo wrote:
> In article <nortle-853...@news.lava.net>,
> Helen Rapozo <cs_r...@HCCADB.HCC.HAWAII.EDU> wrote:
> >Assuming this object tailing the comet is a spaceship from another
> >planet, I don't think these beings running the spaceship are
> >that bright if they have hostile intentions on us. Come on now
> >hide an invading fleet in a comet, where almost all of our telescopes
> >are looking on it? No, if I had to invade Earth with this method
> >I have the bulk of the fleet approach Earth from the side(s) where
> >the comet is not coming from.
> >
> What would be really smart (but may take a little maneuvering) would be to
> approach the inner solar system from the opposite side of the sun (where
> the sun blocks everything), then swerve around the sun and attack the Earth
> (this should be really effective if it doesn't take them too long to
> cover the distance from the Sun to the Earth).
>
Well they can gain extra velocity from slingshoting as they pass by
the Sun. They just gotta make sure they pack higher SPF
suntan lotion in their cargo holds.
As far as speed goes with what we did in the 70's of going to the
moon, it took 2 days to get there and it's about 2 light seconds
away, so roughly 1 light second = 1 day (or 0.000011574c). At
this speed it would take them 480 days to travel from the
sun to the Earth.
Of course these would-be invaders gotta travel faster otherwise
they are in a big shock when they expect to be fighting 40 to 60
foot lizards instead of us humans.
I have a feeling if they travel too fast, they might bump into
a stray astroied when they past Jupiter (and too busy looking
at the rings of Saturn).
gi...@lava.net
In <nortle-853...@news.lava.net>, be...@payne.ifa.hawaii.edu (George Bendo) writes:
>
>In article <nortle-853...@news.lava.net>,
>Helen Rapozo <cs_r...@HCCADB.HCC.HAWAII.EDU> wrote:
>>Assuming this object tailing the comet is a spaceship from another
>>planet, I don't think these beings running the spaceship are
>>that bright if they have hostile intentions on us. Come on now
>>hide an invading fleet in a comet, where almost all of our telescopes
>>are looking on it? No, if I had to invade Earth with this method
>>I have the bulk of the fleet approach Earth from the side(s) where
>>the comet is not coming from.
>>
>What would be really smart (but may take a little maneuvering) would be to
>approach the inner solar system from the opposite side of the sun (where
>the sun blocks everything), then swerve around the sun and attack the Earth
>(this should be really effective if it doesn't take them too long to
>cover the distance from the Sun to the Earth).
Might be better if they just disguised themselves as Michael Jackson. Then
the newspaper would welcome them with a tow page spread....
Nathan P Yuen
George Bendo (be...@payne.ifa.hawaii.edu) wrote:
: Search through Olivier Hainaut's homepages. You should be able to
: find a link to it from one of the pages on http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu.
: Look for him under the postdocs listing.
Tee hee! I tell ya... the things SOME people do to make name for
themselves. If you wanna see his official statement about this
fraudulent image, point your we browser to:
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/images/hale-bopp/tholen-sep1/hb_ufo_tholen.html#stat
George Bendo
In article <nortle-853...@news.lava.net>,
Nathan P Yuen <ny...@lava.net> wrote:
>
>George Bendo (be...@payne.ifa.hawaii.edu) wrote:
>
>: Well, Brown puts the photo on the web, and Olivier Hainaut (a UH IfA postdoc
>: and recurring character in UH UFO stories) immediately finds the picture and
>: starts looking for it. He didn't have to search long, because the photo
>: of the comet is just like the one on the IfA webpage, only Brown's picture
>: has an extra dot.
>
>So this dot that mysteriously appeared on this version of the image is the
>object of all this madness eh?
>
Just this particular photo. On other photos, the misidentified UFO is
actually a star.
>: Anything else you need to know?
>
>Is there any official statement from the prof who originally took the
>photo?
>
Search through Olivier Hainaut's homepages. You should be able to find a
link to it from one of the pages on http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu. Look for
him under the postdocs listing.
George be...@ifa.hawaii.edu
George Bendo
George Bendo
In article <nortle-854...@news.lava.net>,
Mark S. Schmalz <ms...@cise.ufl.edu> wrote:
>
>The purported "alien spaceship" that is "attached to" Hale-Bopp is likely
>a photographic artifact due to radiation from ionization in the comet's
>wake. Discussion has raged in alt.alien.research (yes, such a newsgroup
>actually exists) about Comet H-B, with no conclusions. This is partially
>due to the fact that few of the correspondents have useful information to
>contribute, and fewer still know the basic physical processes involved.
>
(FLAME ON!) I see you have much more experience with this Hale-Bopp UFO
hoax than I do. This must apparently be so, since I'm only working for
the person who took the original CCD image without the UFO (Dave Tholen,
kick-your-butt planetary prof at the UH Institute for Astronomy, among the
US's top ten astronomy programs).
You seemed to have ignored my original post in this thread, where I
explained the side of the story seen by Dave Tholen and UH IfA postdoc
Olivier Hainaut that describes how they deduced that the picture must have
been one taken by Tholen with an extra object edited in. Then, assuming an air
of authority on the topic, you conclude that the object is "a photographic
artifact due to radiation from ionization in the comet's wake". Are you
familiar with astrophysics and astrophotography? Each CCD picture contains
hundreds, if not thousands, of photographic artifacts created by cosmic rays,
the CCD, and the optics. These were removed to make this picture anyhow, but
they do not require comets or "radiation from ionization" to be explained.
If something was found in the comet's tail that was caused by whichever
radiative process (reflection of the Sun's light is another possibility), it
would be an actual object, not a photographic artifact.
Mark S. Schmalz
Several SCH correspondents have discussed Hale-Bopp, Art Bell, Michael
Jackson, alien visitors, and the possible interrelationships among these
topics.
The purported "alien spaceship" that is "attached to" Hale-Bopp is likely
a photographic artifact due to radiation from ionization in the comet's
wake. Discussion has raged in alt.alien.research (yes, such a newsgroup
actually exists) about Comet H-B, with no conclusions. This is partially
due to the fact that few of the correspondents have useful information to
contribute, and fewer still know the basic physical processes involved.
Art Bell's contribution is merely another media camp-out designed to
stimulate contributions to (and rating share for) Art Bell. The "alien
spaceship" crowd (close relatives of the "space brothers" groupies) has
not had much to talk about since the "alien autopsy" film, which was
quickly shown to be a hoax. Hence, the hoopla.
Aloha from rainy-but-clearing Gainesville, where the temps are in the
low 60s and rising (we hope) after a cold deluge that lasted all morning.
Mark. ms...@cis.ufl.edu