Have they started scanning laptops at honolulu airports yet ?
funkyca...@yahoo.com.sg
Aloha everyone,
I have a question to ask.
Have they started scanning laptops at honolulu airports yet ?
Regards
Spangky
Helen Rapozo
On Mon, 12 May 2008, funkyca...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
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> Have they started scanning laptops at honolulu airports yet ?
>
hand carry items?"
If so then yes they do.
funkyca...@yahoo.com.sg
On May 13, 10:30 am, Helen Rapozo <hrap...@lava.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008, funkycatspan...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
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>> Have they started scanning laptops at honolulu airports yet ?
>
> hand carry items?"
>
> If so then yes they do.
What I meant was have they started scanning the "contents" of people's
laptop yet ?
I heard that they routinely do that now a days at LAX ?
Spangky
funkyca...@yahoo.com.sg
On May 13, 10:30 am, Helen Rapozo <hrap...@lava.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008, funkycatspan...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
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>
> hand carry items?"
>
> If so then yes they do.
I heard that there are complains of people whose laptop "files and
contents" were scanned at the airports ?
some kind of a software was used to look though people's laptop files
Is that the cast now that all laptop contents be scanned ?
Spangky
Hertz Donut
<funkyca...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
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> On May 13, 10:30 am, Helen Rapozo <hrap...@lava.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008, funkycatspan...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
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>>> Have they started scanning laptops at honolulu airports yet ?
>>
>> As in "Does the laptop goes through the machine that scans all
>> hand carry items?"
>>
>> If so then yes they do.
>
> I heard that there are complains of people whose laptop "files and
> contents" were scanned at the airports ?
>
Why are they complaining? They know that all property going through the
checkpoints is subject to search. They do not have the right to
complain.
It is very simple; if they do not want to take the chance that someone
may
ask them to turn on the laptop and check the contents, then don't take
the
laptop. Very simple concept.
> some kind of a software was used to look though people's laptop files
On what premise? I would simply deny them access to my computer.
They can
ask you to turn it on, but they cannot install any software.
>
> Is that the cast now that all laptop contents be scanned ?
Most certainly not. I work in a large company where most of us travel
on a
regular basis, and we take laptops with us on every trip. No one that I
have talked to has had anyone scan their computer with software. The
worst
that has happened is that the TSA agent asked to have the computer
turned on
to make sure it is a "real" computer. Once the Windows logo comes on,
they
are always satisfied.
If you can provide a link to one case of software being used to scan a
computer without a warrant, please do so.
If it is a case of "well, I have have a friend who knows someone whose
kbrother has a friend who..." then simply ignore it.
Since 9/11, I have never seen anyone have their computer scanned with
software by the TSA. I would also venture to say that unless they had
probable cause, to do so would be illegal.
Honu
>
> Spangky
>
al Guacamole
I was recently traveling and got the third degree in HNL on departure.
It's condition Orange now. Went through a number of airports-- some
with long lines. In Honolulu, I found out that my belt buckle could
trigger their detector. The settings of the machine are set higher
than usual. However, I took my belt off and emptied my pockets and
made it through with no problem, through the rest of the airports.
Found the Homeland security people humorless and stressed, so I guess
there is now a threat that is being planned.
Nai`a
Hertz Donut wrote:
> Why are they complaining?
"Theft" of confidential information by the Government.
> They know that all property going through the checkpoints is subject
> to
> search.
"They" are not putting this stuff back.
> They do not have the right to complain.
"Unreasonable Search And Seizure".
I believe there's something about that in the Constitution.
But seeing as this apparently only happens AT THE BORDER, some feel that
the Constitution doesn't apply, and are "seizing" the opportunity.
> On what premise? I would simply deny them access to my computer.
Then they will TAKE it, by force, with no recourse to you.
At all.
> They can ask you to turn it on, but they cannot install any software.
They don't have to.
Google for "Microsoft Cofee" (yes, spelt exactly like that).
And Macs are not immune, either. Anything current enough to have a
Firewire port has an open door to the entire hard drive, and even
current
stuff in RAM, if the machine is running. My more technically adept Mac
friends tell me it's because Firewire is a "Bus", and any "smart"
peripherals connected to a machine so equipped can access ANYTHING at
all
on the machine.
> Most certainly not. I work in a large company where most of us travel
> on a regular basis, and we take laptops with us on every trip. No one
> that I have talked to has had anyone scan their computer with
> software.
> The worst that has happened is that the TSA agent asked to have the
> computer turned on to make sure it is a "real" computer. Once the
> Windows logo comes on, they are always satisfied.
There are some well-publicized cases where this was not considered
adequate. You should really get up to speed on what's happening when you
travel internationally these days.
> If you can provide a link to one case of software being used to scan a
> computer without a warrant, please do so.
<http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/07/tsa-confiscating-lap.html>
<http://digg.com/security/HOWTO_Travelers_Guide_to_Customs_Proofing_Your_Laptop
>
<http://consumerist.com/353764/the-tsa-helps-itself-to-your-electronics-and-private-data
>
<http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/dmorrill/archives/search-and-seizure-of-your-laptop-at-the-border-approved-23927
>
<http://witchofthenorth.newsvine.com/_news/2008/02/13/1299455-us-border-control-seizes-your-laptops-ipods-cellphones
>
<http://lifehacker.com/368058/customs+proof-your-laptop>
<http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-9935170-46.html>
Let me know if you want more.
The common thread is, when you transit the border into the USA, they can
take an image backup of your hard disk, and you have no effective
recourse
at all.
> Since 9/11, I have never seen anyone have their computer scanned with
> software by the TSA. I would also venture to say that unless they had
> probable cause, to do so would be illegal.
"Probable Cause..." means many things to many people. And I can
GUARANTEE
you that your opinion of what it means differs markedly from that of any
Customs agent that you may ever have the chance to meet.
Aloha mai Nai`a!
--
" So this is how Liberty dies ... http://www.lava.net/~mjwise/
" To Thunderous Applause.
Nai`a
Nai`a wrote:
> You should really get up to speed on what's happening when you
> travel internationally these days.
Breaking news: It seems that our good friend Bruce has some tips on this
very subject today:
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/may/15/computing.security>
<http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0805.html#3>
Hertz Donut
"Nai`a" <mjw...@lava.net> wrote in message
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> Nai`a wrote:
>
>> You should really get up to speed on what's happening when you
>> travel internationally these days.
>
> Breaking news: It seems that our good friend Bruce has some tips on
> this
> very subject today:
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/may/15/computing.security>
> <http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0805.html#3>
>
Again, I ask you for a single valid citation of *ANYONE* having had
thier
laptop scanned at *ANY * airport in the US. A ruling doe snot mean it
will
happen.
Once again, I works in a company that has several hundred employees
(more
than 300) that travle extenxsively, both domestically and
internationally.
Not one of us has ever had to do anything more htan turn on a laptop to
prove that it is indeed a laptop. A few co-workers even mentioned
that they
were asked to turn on their laptops on a return leg when the battery was
exhausted, and they were still allowed to board the plane with the
laptop.
You, as an American citizen, have the tightto refuse to grantthem
access to
your laptop. Of course, it will mean that you will not get on the
plane,
and your laptop will probably be seized, but it is yoru right. In
addition,
if you are traveling with something on your computer that should not
be on
it, then you have no reasonable expectation of protection under the
law, as
you would be breaking the law.
Carry your porn on a separate hard drive, or on a DVD labled
"Reports", or
some such thing,
If you spent as much time thinking about the situation logically as
you do
crying wolf over nothing, you might be a happier person.
BTW, the kinspection of your laptop by authorites in this country, and
in
Britain, as well as most countries in the Middle East, is perfectly
legal.
You can cry about it all you want, but you cannot change it. Simplest
way
to deal with the situation: Don't bring your laptop.
Another solution: Don't have anyting illegal on your laptop. If you
have
nothing illegal, they can't do anything to you.
FWIW, you should not have critical personal information on your laptop,
anyway. It shoudl be stored on a separate device, such as an exteranl
HDD,
a USB thumb drive, etc.
I do this, as well as secure it with True Crypt. That way, they will
not
seeit, and even if they do find the hidden partition, it can't be copied
and/or read unless I give the password and swipe my fingerprint.
I guess common sense is not one of your strong points.
Honu