Mainlander Adapting to Hawaii
acne_is_...@hotmail.com
For those of you moving to HI from the mainland or who remember what it
was like when you did, let me share some of my early impressions.
1. You can't get there from here. Biggest surprise was asymmetry of
exits and preponderance of one-way streets. Examples: H1 heading east
makes it easy to get to Kam highway going either east or north. But
heading west is a real hassle. Prohibited turns abound. Give me a
decent route to Circuit City from Waikiki. More headaches? Ala Wai and
Kuhio. Miss a turn and pay the price. Did Capt. Wrongway Peachfuzz
design the Oahu transportation infrastructure? What's with The Bus?
Some kind of a joke? Take 4 hours to travel 15 miles? As for the
traffic jams, they rival the worst on the east and west coasts of the
mainland. This tells me Oahu is overpopulated with people and cars.
2. Organic food mafia. Down to Earth is the main and possibly only
organic food store on Oahu. But the vegetables are limp and there is no
organic meat for sale. The milk comes from California. Where are the
organic dairy farms on the islands? This island needs a Whole Foods
Market (WFMI) store, and asap.
3. Lamb chops. Who sells this cut of meat?
4. Biting insects. Read my other post.
5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond? I feel lost
without some of my mainland stores. Good news: there are outlets for
Sears, Home Depot, Circuit City, Ace Hardware, Kmart, Macy's, Sharper
Image, Kaybees, Borders, Tiffany's, to name but a few well-known
mainland stores.
6. French and Italian restaurants. Have not found a good one yet.
7. Oriental Restaurants. Quality is good, but a cut below the best in
NYC or San Francisco.
8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
9. The Weather. Sometimes too hot, too humid or too rainy. How many
perfect days in paradise? A bit less than a third.
10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
11. Liquid refreshments. Can't find Canada Dry seltzers, or any
inexpensive sources of distilled water (e.g., under $1 per gallon).
So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen to live here?
Everyone complains. That's the American way. When they leave HI, they
reminisce about the good old days. Or vice versa. Back and forth, it
seems to be a lifestyle.
kimo
> > 5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond? I feel
lost
> without some of my mainland stores.
Then go back mainland.
> So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen to live here?
> Everyone complains. That's the American way.
No, that is the mainlander's way.
Dan Birchall
acne_is_...@hotmail.com (acne_is_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> For those of you moving to HI from the mainland or who remember what it
> was like when you did, let me share some of my early impressions.
>
> 1. You can't get there from here. Biggest surprise was asymmetry of
> exits and preponderance of one-way streets.
I didn't bring a car with me to Honolulu when I first moved here; I used
TheBus, so it wasn't quite as pronounced - but one-way streets and such
still factor in for bus riders. Wanna go somewhere on King Street, you
might end up having to walk over from Beretania, and vice versa.
> 2. Organic food mafia. Down to Earth is the main and possibly only
> organic food store on Oahu. But the vegetables are limp and there is no
> organic meat for sale.
Well, that's because Down to Earth is a vegan kind of store. That said,
right down King St. from Down to Earth is Kokua Market, a co-op with lots
of organic stuff and probably even meat. I think their produce section
may still be smaller than Down to Earth, though. Also, Daiei on Kaheka
Street might carry organic produce sometimes. ALSO, look for the "open
markets" - you can go buy stuff direct from farmers and fishermen, once
a week in various neighborhoods, usually first thing in the morning.
> 3. Lamb chops. Who sells this cut of meat?
Don't know. Maybe ask Kokua.
> 4. Biting insects. Read my other post.
> 5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond? I feel lost
> without some of my mainland stores. Good news: there are outlets for
> Sears, Home Depot, Circuit City, Ace Hardware, Kmart, Macy's, Sharper
> Image, Kaybees, Borders, Tiffany's, to name but a few well-known
> mainland stores.
*sigh* We SO wanted an IKEA on the Keeaumoku Superblock! :)
> 6. French and Italian restaurants. Have not found a good one yet.
I know where a good Italian one is... but it's in Hilo. :) Have also
heard the Italian one on King St. just ewa of Keeaumoku might be good.
> 9. The Weather. Sometimes too hot, too humid or too rainy. How many
> perfect days in paradise? A bit less than a third.
You are picky! It is cooler, less humid and less rainy than it is
in the summer many places on the mainland... :)
> 10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
> Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
Yeah. Look around the University campus, there might be more in the
way of performing arts there.
> 11. Liquid refreshments. Can't find Canada Dry seltzers, or any
> inexpensive sources of distilled water (e.g., under $1 per gallon).
There should be machines that dispense water - filtered, at least, if
not distilled - for 50 cents a gallon, I think. Bring your own jug.
Look for one at the Mo'ili'ili Star Market, maybe?
-Dan (spent 2.5 years on Oahu)
--
Dan Birchall, Hilo HI - http://hilom.multiply.com/ - images, words, technology
Dan Birchall
nob...@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com (Dan Birchall) wrote:
> acne_is_...@hotmail.com (acne_is_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> > 2. Organic food mafia. Down to Earth is the main and possibly only
> > organic food store on Oahu. But the vegetables are limp and there is no
> > organic meat for sale.
>
> Well, that's because Down to Earth is a vegan kind of store.
Oops! I meant vegetarian, my bad. Obviously they sell stuff containing
animal products like milk - but they don't do meat. They're fairly
connected to the local Hare Krishna community, if I recall, and that
community tends to be vegetarian.
-Dan (married to a sometime vegan and vegetarian, should know difference)
Glen Miyashiro
Monku monku monku.
acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> 1. You can't get there from here. Biggest surprise was asymmetry of
> exits and preponderance of one-way streets.
What did you expect, rectangular grids? Honolulu is a narrow irregular
strip between mountains and ocean; it's not Los Angeles. It takes some
getting used to, but so does anyplace else.
> This tells me Oahu is overpopulated with people and cars.
Compared to... where? We still have a ways to go to catch up with Hong
Kong. :-)
> 5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond? I feel lost
> without some of my mainland stores. Good news: there are outlets for
> Sears, Home Depot, Circuit City, Ace Hardware, Kmart, Macy's, Sharper
> Image, Kaybees, Borders, Tiffany's, to name but a few well-known
> mainland stores.
Don't worry. Wait a few more years, and all our local businesses will
be driven out by the national chains. Won't that be nice!
> 8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
Gee, could it be because there aren't many Indian people here?
> 9. The Weather. Sometimes too hot, too humid or too rainy. How many
> perfect days in paradise? A bit less than a third.
Perfect is in the eye of the beholder. What's in yours?
> 10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
> Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
And this is a bad thing? :-)
> 11. Liquid refreshments. Can't find Canada Dry seltzers, or any
> inexpensive sources of distilled water (e.g., under $1 per gallon).
But we get plenty Hawaiian Sun and POG, brah!
> So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen to live here?
Yes, that's a good question. Why *have* you chosen to live here? Were
you forced to come?
> Everyone complains. That's the American way. When they leave HI, they
> reminisce about the good old days. Or vice versa. Back and forth, it
> seems to be a lifestyle.
You know, acne, I have found that wherever you go, you make your own
aloha. It sounds like you don't have a whole lot.
acne_is_...@hotmail.com
Glen Miyashiro wrote:
>> So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen to live here?
>
> Yes, that's a good question. Why *have* you chosen to live here? Were
> you forced to come?
>
I came to be a sex slave of a local girl.
>> Everyone complains. That's the American way. When they leave HI,
they
>> reminisce about the good old days. Or vice versa. Back and forth,
it
>> seems to be a lifestyle.
>
> You know, acne, I have found that wherever you go, you make your own
> aloha. It sounds like you don't have a whole lot.
Harumpf. I have plenty of OH-HA, according to my future wife. She could
not find an equivalent local boy, with the same combination of
intelligence, looks, and abilities in bed. Sorry, guys. It takes all
sorts of tastes to make the world go round.
Strangely enough, I was motivated to come here by:
http://www.geocities.com/theseasonsofmyheart/PoemList.html
Naturally, I wondered why she eventually left HI. Too much paradise???
As for Kimo, I am not fazed by the "Go back to the mainland" attitude
of some natives. Not what you'd call the Aloha spirit, unless you think
of the flip side of Shalom. Did the mainlanders ruin Hawaii? Yes, but
you let them. I'm here to improve Hawaii, not pervert it. Bankoh is
also pleased that I'll be depositing over a million USD. So whether you
like it or not, I'm staying until evicted or jailed.
Sue Larkin
In article <1105603...@news.lava.net>,
acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
:For those of you moving to HI from the mainland or who remember what it
:was like when you did, let me share some of my early impressions.
:
:1. You can't get there from here. Biggest surprise was asymmetry of
:exits and preponderance of one-way streets. [...]
Yep! Takes a bit of getting used to but, with time, it'll become 2nd
nature!
:2. Organic food mafia. Down to Earth is the main and possibly only
:organic food store on Oahu. But the vegetables are limp and there is no
:organic meat for sale.
Have you tried Huckleberry Farms on School St.? Kokua Foods a block or
so from DTE?
:The milk comes from California. Where are the
:organic dairy farms on the islands? This island needs a Whole Foods
:Market (WFMI) store, and asap.
I'd also like to se a WFM here. Not to mention a Trader Joe's and a
Target!
:3. Lamb chops. Who sells this cut of meat?
I buy them at Safeway. If you're looking for organic then...I have no
idea.
:4. Biting insects. Read my other post.
Mosquitos used to like me. They don't anymore! So, biting insects are
not a problem for me.
:5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy
It's on it's way. Will be in the Costco/Home Depot block in Iwilei.
:or Bed Bath and Beyond?
I'd love one of those, too! Ditto IKEA.
:I feel lost
:without some of my mainland stores.
Good thing you didn't live her pre-1990s! IIRC, Costco was one of the
first of the big box stores to open in Hawaii...late '80s?
: Good news: there are outlets for
:Sears, Home Depot, Circuit City, Ace Hardware, Kmart, Macy's, Sharper
:Image, Kaybees, Borders, Tiffany's, to name but a few well-known
:mainland stores.
The down side of the "mainland stores" coming to Hawaii was/is the
effect on our smaller, local stores. Saddly, most have closed.
:6. French and Italian restaurants. Have not found a good one yet.
:
:7. Oriental Restaurants. Quality is good, but a cut below the best in
:NYC or San Francisco.
:
:8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
Restaurants are subjective. What's great to one person will be not so
great to another.
:9. The Weather. Sometimes too hot, too humid or too rainy. How many
:perfect days in paradise? A bit less than a third.
I'd rate pefect days...whatever "perfect" means...much, much higher
than that...possibly even 100%...except hurricanes Iniki and Iwa!!!
But, that subject is, well, subjective, too! Would you like to be in
SoCal or the mid west right now? Personally, I enjoy the weather
changes we get here. We need the rain. Any locale can be subject to too
much or too little rain. Again, take a look at SoCal right now. Lots of
other locales are subject to hotter and more humid weather.
:10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
:Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
We're definitely not LA or NY but that's why many of us live here. Live
rock acts would hold no appeal for me. Jazz acts, otoh... And, there
are even less of those than rock acts. But, hey, the trade-off of
living in Hawaii is worth it to me and my iPod keeps the jazz flowing!
So yes, another subjective subject! One only has to adjust and accept
compromise.
:11. Liquid refreshments. Can't find Canada Dry seltzers, or any
:inexpensive sources of distilled water (e.g., under $1 per gallon).
Think...shipping costs!
:So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen to live here?
Ok, I'll bite! Why? Other than your explanation in the paragraph below,
that is! Sorry, but that's a bit of a lame explanation!
:Everyone complains. That's the American way. When they leave HI, they
:reminisce about the good old days. Or vice versa. Back and forth, it
:seems to be a lifestyle.
Well, I respectfully disagree but I tend not to surround myself with
people who complain. As a generalization, I tend to find that local
people (born and raised here) are not complainers. That's not part of
the Aloha spirit. OTOH, the complainers I might be exposed to are,
without exception, mainland transplants. You've helped to prove my
point!
Remember...this is Hawaii, not the mainland. Happily so, for me. Sounds
like not so happily so for you. An attitude adjustment is the
responsibility of the one who needs it! No one can do it for you.
Must my 2.5=A2!...Sue
Howard Bennett
"Glen Miyashiro" <glenmi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105642...@news.lava.net...
(Excerpted)
> Don't worry. Wait a few more years, and all our local businesses will
> be driven out by the national chains. Won't that be nice!
Um, that would be the same "local businesses" that used to rip us all
off
with high prices "because you have to pay more to get stuff to Hawaii"
right? Thank goodness for Costco, I say!
> You know, acne, I have found that wherever you go, you make your own
> aloha. It sounds like you don't have a whole lot.
And that would be the same lovely aloha you and Kimo have shown Acne,
right?
Kawika
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:10:02 -0000, acne_is_...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>
> For those of you moving to HI from the mainland or who remember what it
> was like when you did, let me share some of my early impressions.
>
> 1. You can't get there from here. Biggest surprise was asymmetry of
> exits and preponderance of one-way streets. Examples: H1 heading east
> makes it easy to get to Kam highway going either east or north. But
> heading west is a real hassle. Prohibited turns abound. Give me a
> decent route to Circuit City from Waikiki. More headaches? Ala Wai and
> Kuhio. Miss a turn and pay the price. Did Capt. Wrongway Peachfuzz
> design the Oahu transportation infrastructure? What's with The Bus?
> Some kind of a joke? Take 4 hours to travel 15 miles? As for the
> traffic jams, they rival the worst on the east and west coasts of the
> mainland. This tells me Oahu is overpopulated with people and cars.
yeah, and da road stay all bus' up ova hea, feel more bus' up den da
dirt road!
>
> 2. Organic food mafia. Down to Earth is the main and possibly only
> organic food store on Oahu. But the vegetables are limp and there is no
> organic meat for sale. The milk comes from California. Where are the
> organic dairy farms on the islands? This island needs a Whole Foods
> Market (WFMI) store, and asap.
i grow my own veggies.
>
> 3. Lamb chops. Who sells this cut of meat?
i buy cryovac an' chop da buggah up myself, dat way if i like em big n
thick, i get em big n thick. if i like cutlet, i get cutlet. sheep,
cow, horse, whateva
>
> 4. Biting insects. Read my other post.
but no mo snakes, rabies, n rocky mountain spotted fever, not yet
anyway but had dengue so you betta watch out wat da hell biting u.
>
> 5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond? I feel lost
> without some of my mainland stores. Good news: there are outlets for
> Sears, Home Depot, Circuit City, Ace Hardware, Kmart, Macy's, Sharper
> Image, Kaybees, Borders, Tiffany's, to name but a few well-known
> mainland stores.
shee, i remember when only had sears at ala moana and when jc penney
used to sell all kind stuff. brah, going sears was a big deal back
then. now get all kine store. best buy coming soon across home depot
in town and da old primo brewing place but i bet you you do know wea
da old primo place? anyway if hard fo you go circuit city going be
hard for you go there so mo bettah you stay in town.
>
> 6. French and Italian restaurants. Have not found a good one yet.
i hardly eat out.
>
> 7. Oriental Restaurants. Quality is good, but a cut below the best in
> NYC or San Francisco.
yeah but at least get more than sweet n sour, chop suey, n fried
rice... and get real kine pake veggies, not just whateva with
peas/carrots/broccoli/napa cabbage. and in america, dey no use harm
ha, when i ask how come, da buggah tell me as illegal, i say how da
hell, da damn thing ship out from l.a.????
>
> 8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
get one downtown, king and something, not bad, i had betta but just
like you, i had worse.
>
> 9. The Weather. Sometimes too hot, too humid or too rainy. How many
> perfect days in paradise? A bit less than a third.
yea, hot like hell but braddah, you gotta figgah you stay in the
tropics in the middle of the ocean. as just like you move to alaska n
say, eh, get too much snow an ice ova hea! wat kine dat???
>
> 10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
> Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
smaller population, no can expect too much, as why carnegie hall stay
in new york city and not in honolulu. no need be one rocket scientist
fo figure dat one out. anyway dis mo asia/pacific/hawaiian kine
culture, you no going fine one exhibition of byzantium treasures or
ancient aztec art but get other stuff around, classic an neo, u just
gotta open your eye an look around. eh, even the honolulu symphony
orchestra get hard time making it, so if you like dat kine culture,
you stay da wrong place, but get, not too much and maybe not real
classy and high maka maka like you like, but get. ova hea mo casual.
>
> 11. Liquid refreshments. Can't find Canada Dry seltzers, or any
> inexpensive sources of distilled water (e.g., under $1 per gallon).
you like free distilled wata, catch da rain wata in one plastic or
glass bottle...no get more cheaper than dat. as wat da old folks used
to do b4. you like canada dry/cadbury, go complain to paradise
beverages, as da distributor hea.
>
> So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen to live here?
> Everyone complains. That's the American way. When they leave HI, they
> reminisce about the good old days. Or vice versa. Back and forth, it
> seems to be a lifestyle.
one ting i like know is why you move hea cause wat you say is not
true. wen i stay america, west coast, east coast, south, i no
complain, i enjoy it. wen i live japan, i still no complain except
expensive like hell. wen i go germany, i no say nothing cause i no
drink brews but everybody there does and dey laugh and give me tea n
soda - no beeg deal. wen i live korea, i enjoy. i make all kine
friend, malama, dey take care me an i try take care dem. da only time
i tink about hawaii is wen get real, real cold, my nose feel like stay
burn off and i no can feel my ears and wen i go take a leak da heat
rising feel like one hot car motor....unreal, and den i tink, goddamn
freezing cold, not like dis in hawaii...wen i move someplace, gotta
learn about da people an da place, every place pretty different but
good and interesting, most people, wherever, good people...adapt an
enjoy, no fight em, no try change em, no bitch and moan about nothing,
and wherever you go, you going get a good time and good memories of
where you was, as why is called travel cause if not, you just stay one
place....as all...
quante981
acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> For those of you moving to HI from the mainland or who remember what
it
> was like when you did, let me share some of my early impressions.
>
> 1. You can't get there from here. Biggest surprise was asymmetry of
> exits and preponderance of one-way streets. Examples: H1 heading east
> makes it easy to get to Kam highway going either east or north. But
> heading west is a real hassle. Prohibited turns abound. Give me a
> decent route to Circuit City from Waikiki. More headaches? Ala Wai
and
> Kuhio. Miss a turn and pay the price. Did Capt. Wrongway Peachfuzz
> design the Oahu transportation infrastructure? What's with The Bus?
> Some kind of a joke? Take 4 hours to travel 15 miles? As for the
> traffic jams, they rival the worst on the east and west coasts of the
> mainland. This tells me Oahu is overpopulated with people and cars.
If local people minded the overpopulation and traffic, we would have
done something about it by now, right?
>
> 2. Organic food mafia. Down to Earth is the main and possibly only
> organic food store on Oahu. But the vegetables are limp and there is
no
> organic meat for sale. The milk comes from California. Where are the
> organic dairy farms on the islands? This island needs a Whole Foods
> Market (WFMI) store, and asap.
A Whole Foods would be great but Honolulu might not be big enough for
them. Finding local sources for the variety of stuff they carry could
be a problem too. Fresh-from-the-farm doesn't automatically mean
organically grown.
> 3. Lamb chops. Who sells this cut of meat?
Dunno about organic lamb chops but you could try places like Safeway,
Costco or Sam's Club. You can try calling some meat companies listed
in the yellow pages. As a last resort ask the chefs at restaurants
that serve lamb where they buy their meat.
>
> 4. Biting insects. Read my other post.
Comes with the territory.
>
> 5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond? I feel lost
> without some of my mainland stores. Good news: there are outlets for
> Sears, Home Depot, Circuit City, Ace Hardware, Kmart, Macy's, Sharper
> Image, Kaybees, Borders, Tiffany's, to name but a few well-known
> mainland stores.
If it wasn't for the tourists, Hawaii probably wouldn't have the few
high end retailers that are here already (Neiman Marcus, Gucci's).
Probably has something to do with the the relatively small population,
the income base and the cost of living. Probably wouldn't have Macy's
if Liberty House hadn't gone bankrupt. Other cities on the mainland
might have smaller populations within their boundaries than the C&C of
Honolulu but those cities can draw people from 50-100 miles around.
Forget BBY. What Honolulu could use is a few Targets.
>
> 6. French and Italian restaurants. Have not found a good one yet.
>
> 7. Oriental Restaurants. Quality is good, but a cut below the best in
> NYC or San Francisco.
>
> 8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
I'll leave these to the gourmands on the site.
>
> 9. The Weather. Sometimes too hot, too humid or too rainy. How many
> perfect days in paradise? A bit less than a third.
So stay inside your air-conditioned concrete box for two-thirds of the
time. Hopefully you have a view.
>
> 10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
> Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
Hawaii has many cultural events but not many really big headliners.
Hawaii is not that kind of place unless they have some kind of tie-in
with the visitor base. You might not be thinking sports but look at
the NFL Pro Bowl. Could the Pro Bowl sell out year after year (at the
same ticket prices) if the crowd was only local residents?
>
> 11. Liquid refreshments. Can't find Canada Dry seltzers, or any
> inexpensive sources of distilled water (e.g., under $1 per gallon).
Try Safeway for your seltzer water. Good luck on finding anything
cheaper in Hawaii.
> So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen to live here?
> Everyone complains. That's the American way. When they leave HI, they
> reminisce about the good old days. Or vice versa. Back and forth, it
> seems to be a lifestyle.
You probably won't get too many high fives here by criticizing Hawaii.
This is a big small town. Frank discussion or criticism often is not
appreciated, even when you are right like in most small towns I'm
guessing. Defensive shields go up fast.
Glen Miyashiro
Howard Bennett wrote:
> "Glen Miyashiro" <glenmi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1105642...@news.lava.net...
will
>> be driven out by the national chains. Won't that be nice!
>
> Um, that would be the same "local businesses" that used to rip us all
> off
> with high prices "because you have to pay more to get stuff to
Hawaii"
> right? Thank goodness for Costco, I say!
OK.
>> You know, acne, I have found that wherever you go, you make your
own
>> aloha. It sounds like you don't have a whole lot.
>
> And that would be the same lovely aloha you and Kimo have shown Acne,
> right?
Howard, you get what you give. If Acne wants to be friendly, I can be
friendly too.
808bl...@gmail.com
I moved here from LA in 1995 and would never go back!
1. You will get used to it. Its not like this is some big square of
land like LA, once you know where you are going its not bad at all,
however yes traffic is bad, seems to have gotten worse over the last 10
years
2. kokua market? maybe.. go to a farmers market. goto china town
3. Lamb chops. Who sells this cut of meat?
Uhhhhh Safeway, costco, starmarket... where do you shop?
4. Biting insects. Read my other post.
the only thing is the centipedes... other than that... what are you
complaining about there are mosquitos everywhere
5. MIA stores. Where is Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond? I feel lost
without some of my mainland stores. BestBuy is going to open on nimitz
soon. USE THE INTERNET its real easy
6. French and Italian restaurants. Have not found a good one yet.
well how long have you been here look keep trying.
7. Oriental Restaurants. Quality is good, but a cut below the best in
NYC or San Francisco.
"oriental" restaurants? WTF does this mean. I think hawaii has the some
of the best variety of Asian ethnic food in this country. Dont be
scared to eat in china town or try the hole in the walls. I doubt most
of the mainland even knows what a good bi bim bop even is!
8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
hmmmm well no indians here!
9. The Weather. Sometimes too hot, too humid or too rainy. How many
perfect days in paradise? A bit less than a third.
i think you must be crazy. its jan and its 79 and i just went to the
beach?
hmm and in the summer in LA its oh say 100 in the valley and here its a
nice 87 with trades... you must be confused
10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
well, this is not the east coast. but there is a lot more eastern
culture here
11. Liquid refreshments. Can't find Canada Dry seltzers, or any
inexpensive sources of distilled water (e.g., under $1 per gallon).
use the supermarket machines, goto costco, buy your own distiller
you seem to think hawaii was going to be some hippie vegan organic
paradise... well guess what ITS NOT
its just another normal place with people that goto costco and eat
steak and drink bud-light....
http://blog.evogts.com
808blogger
Glen Miyashiro
acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Glen Miyashiro wrote:
>> Yes, that's a good question. Why *have* you chosen to live here?
Were
>> you forced to come?
>
> I came to be a sex slave of a local girl.
Shee. Can't argue with that!
> Harumpf. I have plenty of OH-HA, according to my future wife. She
could
> not find an equivalent local boy, with the same combination of
> intelligence, looks, and abilities in bed. Sorry, guys. It takes all
> sorts of tastes to make the world go round.
Congratulations on finding kindred spirits in each other. It doesn't
happen that often.
Alvin E. Toda
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Glen Miyashiro wrote:
>
>>> So, if I'm complaining so much, why have I chosen
>>> to live here?
>>
>> Yes, that's a good question. Why *have* you chosen
>> to live here? Were you forced to come?
>
> I came to be a sex slave of a local girl.
A sort of boi toi??? :)
>>> Everyone complains. That's the American way. When
>>> they leave HI, they reminisce about the good old
>>> days. Or vice versa. Back and forth, it seems to be
>>> a lifestyle.
>>
>> You know, acne, I have found that wherever you go,
>> you make your own aloha. It sounds like you don't
>> have a whole lot.
>
> Harumpf. I have plenty of OH-HA, according to my
> future wife. She could not find an equivalent local
> boy, with the same combination of intelligence,
> looks, and abilities in bed. Sorry, guys. It takes
> all sorts of tastes to make the world go round.
>
> Strangely enough, I was motivated to come here by:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/theseasonsofmyheart/PoemList.html
>
> Naturally, I wondered why she eventually left HI. Too
> much paradise???
>
> As for Kimo, I am not fazed by the "Go back to the
> mainland" attitude of some natives. Not what you'd
> call the Aloha spirit, unless you think of the flip
> side of Shalom. Did the mainlanders ruin Hawaii? Yes,
> but you let them. I'm here to improve Hawaii, not
> pervert it. Bankoh is also pleased that I'll be
> depositing over a million USD. So whether you like it
> or not, I'm staying until evicted or jailed.
I think you'll find that the people are pretty unique
here. It's more of a smoothie of all kinds of cultures
and traditions, than a smorgasborg of different people.
It used to be that because of the isolation and
different blends of immigrants each island was slightly
different. But now because of TV, we're getting more
alike. Today, you don't find many grown-ups, for
example, who've lived their whole lives on the same
island and have never been to Honolulu.
--alvin
Judy
Sue Larkin wrote:
>
> Good thing you didn't live her pre-1990s! IIRC, Costco was one of the
> first of the big box stores to open in Hawaii...late '80s?
>
K-Mart, Iwilei, 1993? My mom was a nurse supervisor, scheduling at
Straub. EVERYONE in the place was asking for the day off for the grand
opening. She should have made a tape, "You realize it will still be open
AFTER the grand opening?"
Judy
acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> As for Kimo, I am not fazed by the "Go back to the mainland" attitude
> of some natives. Not what you'd call the Aloha spirit, unless you think
> of the flip side of Shalom. Did the mainlanders ruin Hawaii? Yes, but
> you let them. I'm here to improve Hawaii, not pervert it. Bankoh is
> also pleased that I'll be depositing over a million USD. So whether you
> like it or not, I'm staying until evicted or jailed.
>
Atta boy, Acne! "Fork you nasty little natives! I've got MONEY, I'm from
the Mainland, and I know best!" Rock on!
Judy
808bl...@gmail.com wrote:
> 8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
> hmmmm well no indians here!
>
Is this really true? Shoots, I see folks in traditional Indian garb and
folks who appear to be Indian or Pakistani or whatevers quite
frequently, especially townside. They appear to be residents, just based
on the kind of shopping they're doing (stocking up at Foodland, not
trinket shopping at Ala Moana). I thought there was a pretty good size
Indian population here. Do they just get folded into the "Asian"
category at census time? The Watamulls can't be the ONLY family! <g>
Sue Larkin
In article <1105725...@news.lava.net>, Judy
<homehu...@netscape.net> wrote:
I'm remembering 1993 for K-Mart, too. Such a huge deal, that opening!
It took over the space formerly occupied by Home Improvement Warehouse.
Forgot that HIW's presence in Hawaii preceded Costco.
I'm still longing for Trader Joe's and Target!
kimo
Howard Bennett wrote:
> And that would be the same lovely aloha you and Kimo have shown Acne,
> right?
No, Howard, I dun thing sew.
I have shown just about all the uh row haha I think I wanna extend to
in duh viduals who wanna come over here and destroy the islander's way
of life.
> From the age of Cook to current day; look where being friendly to
vermin and other negative outside influences has gotten the islanders.
YOU may want to believe the media image HVB is giving to the rest of
the world that dictates we gotta respond with a smile to every whine,
bitch and complaint of all foreigners and mainlanders intent on killing
each and every aspect of Hawaiian culture. But not me.
Naaah. I will pass.
quante981
Kawika wrote:
> [snip]
> one ting i like know is why you move hea cause wat you say is not
> true. wen i stay america, west coast, east coast, south, i no
> complain, i enjoy it. wen i live japan, i still no complain except
> expensive like hell. wen i go germany, i no say nothing cause i no
> drink brews but everybody there does and dey laugh and give me tea n
> soda - no beeg deal. wen i live korea, i enjoy. i make all kine
> friend, malama, dey take care me an i try take care dem. da only
time
> i tink about hawaii is wen get real, real cold, my nose feel like
stay
> burn off and i no can feel my ears and wen i go take a leak da heat
> rising feel like one hot car motor....unreal, and den i tink,
goddamn
> freezing cold, not like dis in hawaii...wen i move someplace, gotta
> learn about da people an da place, every place pretty different but
> good and interesting, most people, wherever, good people...adapt an
> enjoy, no fight em, no try change em, no bitch and moan about
nothing,
> and wherever you go, you going get a good time and good memories of
> where you was, as why is called travel cause if not, you just stay
one
> place....as all...
Funny, good attitude and balance. Best answer I've read, including the
part snipped for brevity. You might try write like one loco moko but
more worldly than that.
quante981
Howard Bennett wrote to someone else:
>
> And that would be the same lovely aloha you and Kimo have shown Acne,
> right?
The line goes "No forget who was wuz heah first" or in mainland speak
"I was here before you so it's my way or the highway." <g>
Dan Birchall
acne_is_...@hotmail.com (acne_is_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> So whether you like it or not, I'm staying until evicted or jailed.
Ehhh... I don't think you get to leave if you're jailed. :)
Sue Larkin
In article <1105740...@news.lava.net>, Judy
<homehu...@netscape.net> wrote:
:808bl...@gmail.com wrote:
:
:> 8. Indian Restaurants. Nothing to write home about. Horrible.
:> hmmmm well no indians here!
:>
:
:Is this really true? Shoots, I see folks in traditional Indian garb and
:folks who appear to be Indian or Pakistani or whatevers quite
:frequently, especially townside. They appear to be residents, just
based
:on the kind of shopping they're doing (stocking up at Foodland, not
:trinket shopping at Ala Moana). I thought there was a pretty good size
:Indian population here. Do they just get folded into the "Asian"
:category at census time? The Watamulls can't be the ONLY family! <g>
About 6 years ago I was asked to cast a commercial that called entirely
for east Indians and Pakistanis. Oahu was doubling for that area of the
world. Fortunately the Watumulls own my office building plus there was
an Indian tenant in the building so I had good resources. I also called
the various Indian restaurants and the UH. There was certainly a larger
contingency of Indians on Oahu than I anticipated but they're still a
very small percentage of the population.
Let's face it, like any other ethnic food, the taste will vary from
restaurant to restaurant as will one's perception of quality. Food is
in the taste of the grinder!
Sometimes threads started by trolls actually turn into interesting
discussions!!!
Dan Birchall
quan...@hotmail.com (quante981) wrote:
> If local people minded the overpopulation and traffic, we would have
> done something about it by now, right?
That sounds like a vast over-estimation of the motivation level in human
society, to me. ;)
>> This island needs a Whole Foods Market (WFMI) store, and asap.
>
> A Whole Foods would be great but Honolulu might not be big enough for
> them. Finding local sources for the variety of stuff they carry could
> be a problem too.
Yeah, they'd probably have to ship it from neighbor islands.
Lana
<acne_is_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105603...@news.lava.net...
>
> For those of you moving to HI from the mainland or who remember what it
> was like when you did, let me share some of my early impressions.
>
> 1. You can't get there from here. Biggest surprise was asymmetry of
> exits and preponderance of one-way streets. Examples: H1 heading east
> makes it easy to get to Kam highway going either east or north. But
> heading west is a real hassle. Prohibited turns abound. Give me a
> decent route to Circuit City from Waikiki. More headaches? Ala Wai and
> Kuhio. Miss a turn and pay the price. Did Capt. Wrongway Peachfuzz
> design the Oahu transportation infrastructure? What's with The Bus?
> Some kind of a joke? Take 4 hours to travel 15 miles? As for the
> traffic jams, they rival the worst on the east and west coasts of the
> mainland. This tells me Oahu is overpopulated with people and cars.
And who created this traffic? People like you....
> 7. Oriental Restaurants. Quality is good, but a cut below the best in
> NYC or San Francisco.
Debate-able
> 10. Culture. Depends on what your frame of reference is. No Carnegie
> Hall. Not too many live rock acts. It's like living in a time warp.
Exactly. Unfortunately the mentality of many people moving to the
islands
mistakenly think that their culture is THE culture of the islands.
Newsflash: It's not *LOL*
kimo
also known as:
"I grew here. You flew here."
MTI
Find a copy of Michael Murphy's "Cosmic Cowboy" album or CD . . . spin up
the cut called "Honolulu" and revel in the lyric:
"Back to the land of natural gas and rattlesnakes . . ."
Lawrence Akutagawa
Love this post. Response follows....
1. Now you know why many (not all) of the folks here on the Mainland who
enthuse about landing a job in the islands find themselves back on the
Mainland five years or so later. They never learn to run on Hawaiian
time
or to accept living on a rock in the middle of the largest ocean around.
2. Wake up and smell the coffee...you're no longer on the Mainland.
You're
in the islands. If the islands were like the Mainland, they wouldn't
be the
islands. So are things different over there than over here? You
betchum
bottom dollar. Heck...if the islands were like the Mainland, do you
think
all those Mainland tourists would spend their hard earned dollars there
rather than here (or the Carribean or Mexico or Costa Rica or....)?
hmmmm....dollar to donuts that within five years - I'll give you 7 on
the
outside - you either will be back on the Mainland or if still in Hawaii
be
brainwashed (converted?) enough to be talking like all those others who
are
responding to your post. Keep a copy of your post and read it 5 to 7
years
from now!
Dan Birchall
>> hmmmm well no indians here!
>>
>
> Is this really true? Shoots, I see folks in traditional Indian garb
> and
> folks who appear to be Indian or Pakistani or whatevers quite
> frequently, especially townside. They appear to be residents, just
> based
> on the kind of shopping they're doing (stocking up at Foodland, not
> trinket shopping at Ala Moana). I thought there was a pretty good size
> Indian population here. Do they just get folded into the "Asian"
> category at census time? The Watamulls can't be the ONLY family! <g>
>
Speaking of which, Hilo is getting an Indian/Pakistani restaurant!
Right
by the new Subway at Kilauea and Lanikaula, close to the UHH campus.
Saw
the sign announcing it on the new building the Subway's in.
Pakehaole
"Kawika" <alo...@kawikas.hale.com> wrote in message
news:1105675...@news.lava.net...
> and in america, dey no use harm
> ha, when i ask how come, da buggah tell me as illegal, i say how da
> hell, da damn thing ship out from l.a.????
eh, braddah, I wen buy um in Rhode Island, da pake store wen truck um up
from da Big Apple. I use um for make harm ha, daikon, chinese parsley
and green onion pancakes (wit Bisquick of course) jus like my Kung Kung
wen make and sell in his general store on Kauai in da early 1900s. Hard
core pake flavors but broke da mout!
Pakehaole
Pakehaole
<acne_is_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105675...@news.lava.net...
> As for Kimo, I am not fazed by the "Go back to the mainland" attitude
> of some natives. Not what you'd call the Aloha spirit, unless you
think
> of the flip side of Shalom. Did the mainlanders ruin Hawaii? Yes, but
> you let them. I'm here to improve Hawaii, not pervert it. Bankoh is
> also pleased that I'll be depositing over a million USD. So whether
you
> like it or not, I'm staying until evicted or jailed.
>
Too bad you didn't move to HI 2 years ago and bought Bankoh, you'd be
worth 1.8 mil by now.
Kawika
>
>eh, braddah, I wen buy um in Rhode Island, da pake store wen truck um up
>from da Big Apple. I use um for make harm ha, daikon, chinese parsley
>and green onion pancakes (wit Bisquick of course) jus like my Kung Kung
>wen make and sell in his general store on Kauai in da early 1900s. Hard
>core pake flavors but broke da mout!
>
>Pakehaole
brah, you making me hungry! da best style i like is simple, da roast
pork and stir in some hong kong cabbage or some won bok with chinese
parsley and plenny harm ha, all ova rice.
Off topic but does anyone know what happened to How's Ho May Duck out
of San Francisco? It was a traditional New Year's sale item with
people going nuts over it. A few years back I noticed that it was
missing from the sales and from the stores. I've asked a few stores
about its disappearance from the freezers but no one knows why. I
miss it!
mamo...@gmail.com
>>Everyone complains. That's the American way. <<
No it's not. Americans are simply spoiled. They expect things at
their fingertips, nothing more. When there are extra steps to get what
they want, THEN they complain. And THAT is a typical American
mentality, NOT an American way.
Lawrence Akutagawa
<mamo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1105896...@news.lava.net...
Naw...just as American tourists when visiting foreign lands expect to find
"Little Americas" there, this guy expects to find "Little Mainland" just
because he is in Hawaii. Now that brings up an interesting thought:
Why don't you good folks in the islands in fact make a "Little Mainland"
just like this guy is looking for? I would think that there's plenty of
unused land on the Big Island for something like this...maybe someplace in
Puna. Charge each tourist a couple of dollars more...what the heck - you're
already milking them and everyone and his/her brother/sister knows that. No
big secret. In a fairly short time there should be enough collected to
finance building such a place.
This place would be exactly like the Mainland with all the mainland kind of
stuff this guy complains is missing. All the fast food places, all the
shopping malls, all the hotels, all shops and restaurants...everything. Of
course, no pigin, no aloha attire, no aloha, nothing island. Everything
would be just like being on the Mainland. You charge those homesick
mainland folks for entering this place, for staying there, and for leaving.
You probably need a limit on the stay...maybe no less than six months, no
more than one year. And you need something like they can't come back within
three months after leaving the place. Make sure they have to pay more for
leaving the place than for entering it. And, of course, make sure that the
daily cost of staying there is high enough to earn a profit, but not so high
that it's cheaper to fly back to the mainland and live there.
A good side benefit would be to have the high school seniors stay a week or
so at this place. Two reasons: One, they get to appreciate what they have
in the islands. Two, for those going to college or going to work on the
mainland this will be kind of a familiarization course for them.
Then, too, all those Japanese tourists would have the experience of living
on the Mainland without having to go to the Mainland. For them, it would be
like killing two birds with one stone. One heck of a good deal for them.
And if there is a replica of the Golden Gate bridge someplace in this place,
I bet a lot of Japanese couples would want to be married there.
All in all, a win-win situation for everybody. And lots of money for the
islands.
John W. Bienko
In other words..
all you have to do is..
build a copy of Disneyland in a remote corner of Hawai`i.
--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q
Lawrence Akutagawa
"John W. Bienko" <as...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:1105917...@news.lava.net...
>
> In other words..
> all you have to do is..
> build a copy of Disneyland in a remote corner of Hawai`i.
well...but I really don't think that Disneyland (California) has all
those
Mainland things that that guy Acne is complaining Hawaii doesn't have.
I
may be wrong at that, not having been to Disneyland in a long time. I
mean,
does Disneyland have Whole Foods Market, Best Buy, Bed Bath and Beyond,
etc?
Or Carnegie Hall? Or an (asian) Indian restaurant? Or a Chinese
(hmmm...Cantonese? Szechwan? Mandarin?) restaurant?
The point is that this guy Acne landed in the islands, looked around
him,
and said to himself, "I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."
But
he really, really, really wants to be in Kansas (or wherever) without
having
to go back to Kansas (unlike Dorothy). So make him a very small piece
of
Kansas over there in the islands just to make him happy...and make him
pay
through the nose for it.
quante981
Dan Birchall wrote:
> quan...@hotmail.com (quante981) wrote:
>> If local people minded the overpopulation and traffic, we would
have
>> done something about it by now, right?
>
> That sounds like a vast over-estimation of the motivation level in
human
> society, to me. ;)
>
People like to complain about this and that but only the most pressing
problems get the money and time. If traffic congestion was the biggest
problem, that's where the money and time would be going, right? Look
at the traffic 'initiatives' apparently being floated this year. One
headline grabbing proposal is to lower pedestrian deaths on the roads
by imposing stiffer penalties on drivers. Does this reduce traffic
congestion? No, it will probably increase congestion. Then the
Honolulu Advertiser did a simple analysis (that surely anyone in the
highway department could do) and found that most of the pedestrians
killed were not in crosswalks. If they were really interested in
reducing pedestrian deaths, why not educate pedestrians with stiffer
penalties for jaywalking? Duh. Also more road maintenance is on the
table. A good thing but will it address traffic congestion? Probably
not.
This morning we read about an idea to create a transit authority which
the legislature hopes will take the heat for raising the taxes needed
to develop a rail transit system. Agree or not, this one does focus on
traffic congestion so maybe it isn't such an over-estimation <g>. It
may depend on which side or who is more in touch with the public and
into problem solving it seems.
>>> This island needs a Whole Foods Market (WFMI) store, and asap.
>>
>> A Whole Foods would be great but Honolulu might not be big enough
for
>> them. Finding local sources for the variety of stuff they carry
could
>> be a problem too.
>
> Yeah, they'd probably have to ship it from neighbor islands.
Wholesalers already bring in fresh produce from the mainland so
shipping may not be the biggest problem (if/when the proposed high
speed interisland ferry service gets going the shipping costs from
Neighbor Island might be even less of an issue). Organically grown
gets a premium price. The problem is finding enough people who will
pay the price regardless where the produce comes from. Are there
enough people in Honolulu who would pay the price?
Reminds me of some hydroponically grown tomatoes from Maui that I saw
in Times market a few months ago. The tomatoes were ~$3.99(?) a pound
before the recent weather related shortage on the mainland. Even if
nothing else was available, those tomatoes would be a luxury item for
me and would not be on the weekly shopping list. Would have to be some
great tomatoes to even buy it once a month.
808bl...@gmail.com
you obviously have never traveled to POMONA, CA
the INDIAN population here is TINY
808bl...@gmail.com
hahahah this is a great idea
a complete little dirty city like LA or NY with driveby's and people
with major attitudes and all rushed around.... HAHAHAHAHA
we can call it haoleland (i am a honkey myself!)
AHAHAHAHHAHAHA
gl...@potatoradio.f2s.com
It's the American MILLIONAIRE way.
kimo
that is just goofy.
being familiar with too many americans of every financial strata, this
statement has no basis.
Sue Larkin
In article <1106674...@news.lava.net>, "kimo"
<hawaiia...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:that is just goofy.
:being familiar with too many americans of every financial strata, this
:statement has no basis.
Ummm...which statement are you referring to?!
acne_is_...@hotmail.com
Lawrence Akutagawa wrote:
> Love this post. Response follows....
>
> 1. Now you know why many (not all) of the folks here on the Mainland
who
> enthuse about landing a job in the islands find themselves back on
the
> Mainland five years or so later. They never learn to run on
Hawaiian
> time or to accept living on a rock in the middle of the largest ocean
around.
> ... snip ...
> hmmmm....dollar to donuts that within five years - I'll give you 7 on
> the outside - you either will be back on the Mainland or if still in
Hawaii
> be brainwashed (converted?) enough to be talking like all those
others who
> are responding to your post. Keep a copy of your post and read it 5
to 7
> years from now!
I can't explain why so many off-islanders head back to the mainland or
wherever they came from. Could be financial reasons (new job, sold
house at massive profit, or too poor to survive here anymore), or need
to be back with their families, or found romance elsewhere, or they
finally got sick of paradise. In particular, I'd like to know why, in
this multi-cultural society, more blacks do not settle down permanently
in HI?
As an amateur cultural anthropologist, I am intrigued by how the HI
economy works. Average income is not much higher than that of the
entire US, but average housing cost is double. No real industry to
speak of, other than tourism. Most famous export- pinneaple? There are
a number of highly unattractive sections of Oahu that look like "paved
paradise, put up a parking lot." Ok, blame that on mainland influence,
because it was there first.
Both Oahu and Long Island are islands, but we have 6 finalists in the
Intel Science Talent Search from LI, and how many from all of HI? You
tell me. Hint: http://www.sciserv.org/sts/64sts/finalists.asp. What's
wrong with the education system in HI?
Hong Kong was mentioned by a poster as an example of one of the most
traffic-congested cities of the world. Well, so what? If any city in HI
had the energy of HK, I'd be willing to accept the traffic problem as a
tradeoff. The creative output from a single HK film, such as Running on
Karma or Chungking Express, exceeds the artistic output from all of HI
(and many other US states) over the last 10 decades or more (that's a
century, Kimo). Will a US-made independent film like Donnie Darko ever
be produced in HI? I tend to doubt that too. What's with your rock
bands? No one even comes close to any of these pioneering bands: Jane's
Addiction, Stabbing Westward, Nirvana, or Soundgarden. As for art, you
can call the stuff at the Wyland galleries art, but I'll call it fudge.
The basement at MOMA has more interesting stuff, including the broom
closet.
HI is a place that has spoiled the natives and the off-islanders who
came here. You'd be surprised at how many are in the latter group. So
the next time someone tells me to go back to where I came from, I'll
challenge them to do the same.
Like a hot-house flower, maybe those of you who have lived here for too
many years just can't survive anywhere else. Spoiled by the weather,
too weak to shovel snow, or unable to survive the ice that grips the
upper northern half of the USA. Wimps.
Is this sounding like a tirade against HI? It's not. HI is a beautiful
place, unlike anywhere else in the world. No billboards, no off track
betting. Maybe it's too good for those who do live here. Interesting
idea: an income/intelligence/talent/taste test for those who can stay
and those who should go.
If I were elected governor, I'd make this state better. First, by
convincing WFMI to franchise two stores here. Second, by importing
Canada Dry seltzer. Big deal? NO. Many smart people drink this. You
could use many more smart people here. Third, bulldoze the Ala Moana
mall and move it to the outskirts of greater Honolulu. What an ugly
place to visit (i.e., the mall). Fourth, get more movies made here, and
not just about here. I think we need something more "significant" than
Lilo & Stich, Blue Crush, or Hawaii Five-0. Wake up and smell the Kona.
You guys are starting to emulate the stereotypes the rest of the nation
has of you. Given the easy life, the tendency of man is to lay back and
do nuthin'. Prove this troll wrong. You can't.
Andrew Maddox
Also sprach acne_is_...@hotmail.com:
: As an amateur cultural anthropologist,
Pretty amateurish as a troll, too. Thanks for playing, though!
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Lawrence Akutagawa
<acne_is_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106881...@news.lava.net...
>
> Third, bulldoze the Ala Moana
> mall and move it to the outskirts of greater Honolulu. What an ugly
> place to visit (i.e., the mall).
Hey - don't cha knock the Ala Moana shopping center. Best place in the
whole wide world for girl watching. Haven't seen so many good looking
women - young and old - in one place in such a short period of time. Just
park yourself on a bench near one of the major stores one Saturday morning
and enjoy!
Michael J Wise
On 2005-01-27 17:10:09 -1000, acne_is_...@hotmail.com said:
> I can't explain why so many off-islanders head back to the mainland or
> wherever they came from.
You can't, huh?
Then I guess why most of the Grad classes head to the mainland will
have to wait until you solve that problem first.
Hawai`i is a culture that cannot achieve equilibrium.
It's a boiling cauldron, in which almost all of the desired end result
is boiling off, even as all the "Right" ingredients are being added in
ever-increasing quantities, leaving ... just some really horrible stuff
in the bottom that needs to be scooped out every so often.
While there are definite pluses to living here, being able to live out
the "American Dream" in just about any reasonable way, shape or form
for anyone within a few Standard Deviations of Average is not one of
them.
One has to be far above average to prosper here.
Or one has to prosper elsewhere, and just come here for arbitrarily
long vacations.
> As an amateur cultural anthropologist,
...
> I am intrigued by how the HI economy works.
You need to think about it a bit more.
Hint: there's too many rich people.
Bigger Hint: There always will be.
> Average income is not much higher than that of the entire US,
I gathered it was much less, actually.
And if it isn't, the Median income certainly is.
> Second, by importing Canada Dry seltzer.
... Um ... I bought a 2l bottle of it at Star Market a few days ago.
> Many smart people drink this.
(8-)
Aloha mai Nai`a.
--
"Please have your Internet License http://kapu.net/~mjwise/
and Usenet Registration handy..."
Beaker
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:05:09 -0000, Michael J Wise quoth:
>
> One has to be far above average to prosper here.
I think that depends on whether your definition of "prosper" requires
conspicuous consumption.
bkr
Michael J Wise
On 2005-01-29 14:05:05 -1000, Beaker <b...@llama.pilz.kak> said:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:05:09 -0000, Michael J Wise quoth:
>> One has to be far above average to prosper here.
I'm sure you do.
> on whether your definition of "prosper" requires
> conspicuous consumption.
For me, it means being able to think about owning a home before I retire.
Or being able to drive a half-decent car, or at least afford repairs to
what I have.
Or being able to eat a meal at a restaurant more than once a month.
Or even being able to drop in to a MacDonalds every so often.
None of that is really possible on my salary.
Are you happy now?
das
> I can't explain why so many off-islanders head back to the mainland or
> house at massive profit, or too poor to survive here anymore), or need
> to be back with their families, or found romance elsewhere, or they
> finally got sick of paradise. In particular, I'd like to know why, in
> this multi-cultural society, more blacks do not settle down permanently
> in HI?
>
islands,
is that they are for the most part economically disadvantaged (read
poor)
compared to the majority of haole mainlanders and can't afford to get
here
in the first place outside of the military.
> As an amateur cultural anthropologist, I am intrigued by how the HI
> economy works. Average income is not much higher than that of the
> entire US, but average housing cost is double. No real industry to
> speak of, other than tourism. Most famous export- pinneaple? There are
> a number of highly unattractive sections of Oahu that look like "paved
> paradise, put up a parking lot." Ok, blame that on mainland influence,
> because it was there first.
>
I've got friends that were life-long kama`aina that lived on Maui that
sold
their <1,000 sq/ft house two years ago for almost $300K. They have
ohana
that had already moved to NE TN and SW VA years ago. They moved there
to NE
TN industrial city, bought a new 2,000 sq/ft manufactured home on a
4,000
sq/ft lot less than one block from the top rated high school in the
state
for $90K. She works temp for a auto components manufacturer, he works
at
Wal-Mart. They live high on the hog, new Ford Explorer, plenny Aloha
Shoyu
and Ah Fook's Portagee sausage in the freezer. Teen kids don't have to
worry about college money but are having to play catch up with their
education. It was a smart move for them and they can afford to go back
to
Maui every year for extended vacations with remaining ohana. The only
bad
part is with Maui housing prices like they are, if they'd waited until
now
to sell, the house would go for over $500K.
Kawika S.
Razzbar
Michael J Wise wrote:
> On 2005-01-29 14:05:05 -1000, Beaker <b...@llama.pilz.kak> said:
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:05:09 -0000, Michael J Wise quoth:
>> on whether your definition of "prosper" requires
>> conspicuous consumption.
Who was it that said, "There are two ways to rich: Get more
or need less" ?
>
> For me, it means being able to think about owning a home before I
retire.
Big Island land, build as you go.
> Or being able to drive a half-decent car, or at least afford repairs
to
> what I have.
As long as it passes safety check and doesn't get you all wet when
it rains. Learn to fix it yourself.
> Or being able to eat a meal at a restaurant more than once a month.
>
Wash dishes at Chez Paul on Maui. Work up to chef.
> Or even being able to drop in to a MacDonalds every so often.
>
Big mistake.
> None of that is really possible on my salary.
Did all that in Hawaii. Best job I had paid $8.00 hr.
> Are you happy now?
Nope. Sold the land, moved to mainland to make big bucks, pissed
away my nestegg. Big mistake.
Alvin E. Toda
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, das wrote:
> <acne_is_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1106881...@news.lava.net...
>> finally got sick of paradise. In particular, I'd
>> like to know why, in this multi-cultural society,
>> more blacks do not settle down permanently in HI?
>>
> The reason you don't have that many blacks,
> especially on neighbor islands, is that they are for
> the most part economically disadvantaged (read poor)
> compared to the majority of haole mainlanders and
> can't afford to get here in the first place outside
> of the military.
There aren't too many blacks, but they seem mostly to
be ex-military who have gotten a fed civil service job
or are sharp enough to start their own business in
Hawaii. A lot who go into teaching in Hawaii schools
have college degrees. I think a lot go un-noticed by
visitors because of a similar effect of my Indian and
Pakistani colleagues who have worked in Texas. They're
often mistaken for Mexicans (and when Sihks wear their
turbans, they're mistaken for arabs).A long long time
ago I spend my high school years seated next to student
who is half-chinese, half black-- mainly because they
seated us alphabetically in homeroom.
I think that he was aware of his blackness because he
said as little kid when they were in military housing,
he used to call the other kids "white trash". But since
he mainly grew up in Hawaii he droped that kind of
speech for pidgin. Anyway he looks Hawaiian and pulls
more to the chinese side.
He had a girl friend-- white military dependent-- in
HS, but IIRC there was some rif with her father when he
discovered that my friend's father was black rather
than Hawaiian. Anyway, I suspect that is the case of
other half blacks who grew up here whether they look
oddly black with oriental face like Brian Clay or like
Barack Obama who seems oddly black with a white face.
Most will adjust to their blackness in the mainland,
because here in Hawaii they do not grow up as being
black. Blacks who settle here complain about no black
community because their kids adjust so fast to the
local culture.
Another factor is that most children of black parents
who stay here seem to do well in school. As a result
most of them leave to the mainland after or for college
and never come back. And consider another cultural
factor. There is a lot of intermarriage. For example,
about 20% of the population considers themselves
Hawaiian even if they may not have (statistically
anyway) any Hawaiian genes left in their DNA. This is
because Hawaiians here subscribe to the one drop rule.
So does a black man who marries a Hawaiian woman
consider his children black? Answer is that it doesn't
matter what he thinks, because his children consider
themselves Hawaiian.
There are blacks in Hawaii, but because of our culture
and society, you can't tell by cultural factors. But if
you want to look at those factors, perhaps maybe one
indication is that the Martin Luther King, Jr Day
Parade in January is one of the biggest parades on
Oahu. You might ask the local black parade monitors at
the parade: what has happen to black culture in Hawaii?
The answer is that it's gone to the same place that
Irish, Italian, Oriental cultures have gone in Hawaii.
It's only preserved by a deliberate effort of parents.
Kids here respond more to the local TV, music, and
movie media.
--alvin
nathan...@yahoo.com
Odd that you title your thread "Mainlander Adapting to Hawaii"...I
don't see any attempt at adaptation, at all. You're the amateur
scientist...adapt, migrate or perish. (It seems that most here vote
for "migrate.") It's like you went to a Ford dealership and spent the
whole time complaining about how poor their selection of Chevrolets is.
Your arrogant pronouncements about Hawaii come from a narrow view of
the world and a shallow understanding of Hawaii and its people, culture
and history. Is that what you've learned from all that highfaluting
"culture" you find so lacking in Hawaii?
And why move all the way to Hawaii? For sex, you say...you're aware
they have that on the mainland, right? But if sex is the exchange you
made for your grand mainland lifestyle, buck up and start
"adapting"...love it or leave it, champ.
You also said something that always makes me laugh...non-Islanders
twisting the phrase "aloha spirit" to mean "shut up and let me do
whatever I want." You don't understand aloha, and you're not going to
find understaning at Whole Foods Market, Best Buy, Carnegie Hall, etc.
Judy
Oh, my! Couldn't have said it better. Tried, but.
acne_is_...@hotmail.com
Sorry you are getting so bent out of shape based on one person's
opinions. Adaptation to me is the fulfillment of a series of needs,
occurring in the following order: food, shelter, income, recreation,
and love. I have the first, second and fifth elements figured out.
The economy of this state is not that easy to figure out. Let me
preface this discussion with a funny joke I heard from a beach bum:
What's the difference between Hawaii and Iraq? Well, both depend on US
government aid. However, Iraq does not rely on US tourism, yet. On a
higher level, there are enough mysteries here that any PhD candidate
could easily write a thesis entitled, "Behind the Veil of Hawaiian
Economics." Those of you who have read the Robert Heilbroner book with
the generic title should have a chuckle. Here are some fast lessons any
potential settler should learn. Honolulu has the highest gas prices in
the US. Consider carefully what you drive. Out goes my Jeep. The state
sales tax does not exist. The euphemism for the merchandise tax is an
excise tax. Get used to fees on just about any tourist expense, such as
car rental and hotel rooms. The marginal income tax rate is higher than
NY and MA, but lower than CA. There are two housing bubbles going on in
the US. One is in CA, the other in HI. When a bubble bursts, it is
uglier that a volcano erupting. I will be caught in the lava because it
is in my nature to buy high and sell low. Good thing that lenders allow
higher debt to income ratios on home loans in HI. Those dual income
families that are headed to SINC's or NINC's should read my forthcoming
book, "How to Survive in HI on $10 a Day". Hint: find someone who is
leaving the pineapple state and buy his belongings and food on the
cheap.
Some confuse recreation with culture, and vice versa. Recreation
embraces fun and games as well as culture. Shoot me if I don't like
surfing, golf, swimming, hiking, and volleyball. I like live music,
art, poetry, and dance. Rather than asserting that my tastes are
narrow, I counter by stating categorically that your tastes are narrow.
Have you even visited Carnegie Hall, the Metropolitan Museum of Art,
the Louvre, or the Hermitage museum? At least I know the difference
between Eminem and Queen Emma. Let's face it- today's youth are
thoroughly into fads and music not too related to Hawaiiana. Why hack
me for a beginner's knowledge of the history of this land? Were the
Haole's who were responsible for annexing the land good or bad for
Hawaii? How about the white men who subjugated the native American
indians? It's history. Get used to it. The losing side is always a
footnote in the history books.
So, what is Hawaii?
(a) A nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
(b) A nice place to live but I wouldn't want to visit there
(c) Both a nice place to visit and stay
I can make the case for a, b, or c. Whose state is it anyway? Whose
country was it? You tell me. I'm staying until my bank account is
empty.
> And why move all the way to Hawaii? For sex, you say...you're aware
> they have that on the mainland, right? But if sex is the exchange
you
> made for your grand mainland lifestyle, buck up and start
> "adapting"...love it or leave it, champ.
You can call me champ, chump or chimp. Why should I care? I leave you
with this quote from Raymond Chandler (a mainland writer):
"She drove beautifully. When a woman is a really good driver, she is
just about perfect."
NYC ladies, woman, chicks, or bimbos don't know how to drive, at least
well. Sex on wheels is the trick. Sex in motion is even better.
just another
In article <1107585...@news.lava.net>, acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
<snip>
> There are two housing bubbles going on in
> the US. One is in CA, the other in HI. When a bubble bursts, it is
> uglier that a volcano erupting. I will be caught in the lava because it
> is in my nature to buy high and sell low.
Heh. You'll want to change that!
Aren't you saying "Hawaii" when what you really mean is, Oahu?
> Whose state is it anyway? Whose
> country was it?
Heh. Most of the people I know, who are very happy living here, are very clear about those
points.
John W. Bienko
The major factor contributing to the real estate bubble is..
LOW INTEREST RATES.
Expert finacial advisors predict significant increases in
the interest rates.. that will cause the bubble to burst..
flooding the market with distress sales and mortgage
foreclosures.. as witnessed in recent business cycles.
In real estate TIMING is everything..
Maren Purves
just another wrote:
> In article <1107585...@news.lava.net>,
> acne_is_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> There are two housing bubbles going on in
>> the US. One is in CA, the other in HI. When a bubble bursts, it is
>> uglier that a volcano erupting. I will be caught in the lava because
>> it
>> is in my nature to buy high and sell low.
>
>
> Heh. You'll want to change that!
>
> Aren't you saying "Hawaii" when what you really mean is, Oahu?
if you think that's only on Oahu, I think you're missing something
Maren
Lawrence Akutagawa
Well, as I pointed out earlier...another Dorothy upset that she is not in
Kansas any more.
That having been said, the issue becomes: if acne is so upset/unhappy about
the situation in which he finds himself, what is he doing about it except
pissing and moaning about it? Is this gnashing of teeth and tossing of
ashes upon his head solving anything except perhaps allow him some relief in
so venting? I figure that if he already hasn't, he is awfully close to the
point reached by those Democrats who either don't agree that the Social
Security system is in trouble or find much more fun in throwing stones at
the Bush ideas rather than come up with better, more substantive ideas of
their own.
There are folks, you know, who are never happy unless they are complaining
about something...anything. Guess who I think is a strong contender for one
such?
<acne_is_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107585...@news.lava.net...
>
> Sorry you are getting so bent out of shape based on one person's
> opinions. Adaptation to me is the fulfillment of a series of needs,
> occurring in the following order: food, shelter, income, recreation,
> and love. I have the first, second and fifth elements figured out.
>
> The economy of this state is not that easy to figure out. Let me
> preface this discussion with a funny joke I heard from a beach bum:
> What's the difference between Hawaii and Iraq? Well, both depend on US
> government aid. However, Iraq does not rely on US tourism, yet. On a
> higher level, there are enough mysteries here that any PhD candidate
> could easily write a thesis entitled, "Behind the Veil of Hawaiian
> Economics." Those of you who have read the Robert Heilbroner book with
> the generic title should have a chuckle. Here are some fast lessons any
> potential settler should learn. Honolulu has the highest gas prices in
> the US. Consider carefully what you drive. Out goes my Jeep. The state
> sales tax does not exist. The euphemism for the merchandise tax is an
> excise tax. Get used to fees on just about any tourist expense, such as
> car rental and hotel rooms. The marginal income tax rate is higher than
> NY and MA, but lower than CA. There are two housing bubbles going on in
> the US. One is in CA, the other in HI. When a bubble bursts, it is
> uglier that a volcano erupting. I will be caught in the lava because it
> > And why move all the way to Hawaii? For sex, you say...you're aware
> > they have that on the mainland, right? But if sex is the exchange
> you
> > made for your grand mainland lifestyle, buck up and start
> > "adapting"...love it or leave it, champ.
>
northan...@yahoo.com
We live in Anchorage, AK but are pondering a move to Oahu given husband
has job offer. We have been to Oahu about 6 times, Maui 3 times in the
last 14 years.
I'd really like to get some opinions to you folks who live in Hawaii.
What do you love about Oahu?
What do you dislike about Oahu?
Pakehaole
Love about Oahu:
The beaches, the surf, hiking the Koolaus, sailng on the windward side,
laying anchor at sandbar in Kaneohe Bay, the North Shore in the summer
(like a lake), the friendliness of the people (in spite of the big city
environment), the variety and quality of food at restaurants, art and
cultural activities at the Art Academy and the University of Hawaii.
It's no NYC in the last regard (as zit-face has alluded to in previous
posts) but then what is?
Dislike:
The traffic, crowds, the crime. Fortunately, once again, it is no NYC
in these regards.
On the other hand, my cousin moved to Anchorage from Honolulu about 11
years ago during an earlier big exodus of HPD's finest and loves it up
there. Brings back salmon and king crab legs whenever he visits.
<northan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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acne_is_...@hotmail.com
Very funny, all the wise cracks about Kansas. Wasn't Barack Obama's mom
born there? And speaking of Obama, I don't notice him living here
anymore.
I get a hearty laugh at the posts complaining about the homeless, and
the gang problem on Oahu. Homeless? WTF are you natives and transplants
complaining about? You want to meet some homeless? Pay a visit to NYC,
home of the homeless and displaced. Tour the caverns inside the subway
system. See the homeless set fire to a control center. Want to see some
real gangs? Fly to L.A. or Baltimore. Hear rap, get whapped. Quit
whining about trivial problems. Mickey mouse compared to the mainland.
As for Social Security, there is no problem in the core system. The
problem is in Medicare and Medicaid. The only way you solve those
problems is to socialize medicine for the elderly and raise inheritance
taxes to 100% until this mess is finally solved.
Alternative solution: make Iraq the 51st state and ship the old there.
For 200 billion dollars tossed into this sinkhole, we should get our
money's worth. I will be very happy to invest your social security nest
egg in Iraqi bonds.
808blogger
I will bite into your flame bait.
obviously you move around a lot since you seem to be the master of all
these cities. SO possibly its that you never stay in oneplace long
enough to get intimate with the surroundings. OVer the last ten years
(i am sure the "NATIVES" can vouch for longer time) that i have been
here the homeless problem has become FAR worse. And the amount of gang
related activity has increased (thanks to meth and other drugs). Now
things here on oahu dont need to get as bad as LA or NYC to try to have
people look at the problem and try to figure out why (as much as we may
disagree). I think all of us would agree that the problems are not
"mickey mouse" you obviously have not lived here long enought. The
homless problem has gotten very bad. The picture i posted was just one
blatant picture. why dont you cruise alamoana park, thomas square and
sand island beach and count the number of homes in just those 3
places.... and there are MANY more around like that.
> "As for Social Security, there is no problem in the core system. The
> problem is in Medicare and Medicaid. The only way you solve those
> problems is to socialize medicine for the elderly and raise
inheritance
> taxes to 100% until this mess is finally solved."
hey i have tickets for the secret mainland car tunnel that i will sell
you too!
Socialist, why dont you move to europe