Where are the Greeks in the movies?
The Grook
haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
But, how many movies about Italian-Americans have we had? Too many!
And about them doing what? Killing their fellow men whether they be
wasps, blacks, Jews, or even other Italians.
Hispanics complain about underrepresentation in the movie business.
But, the real crime is that law-abiding, honest, hardworking, and
morally superior Greek Americans and their wonderfully rich stories
have been neglected while the crooked, murderous, idiotic, and
demented criminal deeds of Italian-Americans have been romanticized
nauseatingly to the nth degree!
What is Hollywood doing? Is it one organized criminal empire honoring
another? One bunch of sharks glamourizing another pack of sharks?
It's about time we had movies about how Americans can go out to have a
decent dinner thanks to Greek-run restaurants. From fast food to
fancy cuisine, no city has a restaurant scene worth showing off if it
aint got the Greeks.
God bless the Greeks and may Jesus shit on the Italians. Yeah, Ma
Fangu, you lowlifes.
d...@myplace.com
> It's about time we had a movie like My Big Fat Greek Wedding. No, I
> haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
I've seen it twice, and my husband will come with me for my 3rd viewing
(assuming we can make it). It's a breath of fresh air. It's not
extremely original, but it's fun, and when the DVD comes out I am going
to get it.
trotsky
The Grook wrote:
>
> It's about time we had a movie like My Big Fat Greek Wedding. No, I
> haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
There are tons of movies about rowdy frat boys.
plat4
>Fangu, you lowlifes.
Well I agree with you up to a point. I find that *most* of the
Italians are lowlifes ( and for some strange reason they *dislike* Greeks) with
a huge chip on their shoulders but I do have some real decent ones that are my
next door neighbors. I find that most Italians are clearly jealous of Greeks. I
was happy when Athens beat out Rome for the 2004 Olympics. That , to me was
sweet.
Manos
renato luciani
>
> God bless the Greeks and may Jesus shit on the Italians. Yeah, Ma
> Fangu, you lowlifes.
:o|
hey man, youre not kind!
where do you live? I think 'll just senda coupla boys to
have alittle chat with you...
Don Corleoni
original
> haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
...actually, I saw an interview (Up Close) with the screenwriter, I
can't remember her name for the life of me. The movie isn't about
Greeks alone, it's about Greek-Americans and their struggle to
maintain their ethnic identity from childhood on. During the interview
she made a great point: Greeks don't fit in to a Hollywood mold. We're
a grounded people that doesn't fit into the stuffy country club mold
(if you've ever sat for dinner with a true Greek family you know what
I mean). Yet we're not on the other end of the spectrum either. That
is, we're not a problematic minority. The American public simply
doesn't feel sorry for us as they do other ethnic groups.... and why
should they? As far as ethnic groups go, we've exemplified success as
a whole: prison or crime is not associated with Greeks as it is with
other ethnicities. Cops don't racially profile us, we don't pick
strawberries. The grossly larger majority of Greeks are affluent and
educated. People want prison stories, cops and robbers, drugs and
tragedy. How many Japanese-American movies have you seen (another
successful ethnicity)? One could point out our Greek history and say
there's plenty of stories to be told. The old movie, Eleni, which took
place during our civil war period and commented on the atrocities our
people faced in the hands of the communists. I'll tell you though, I
would argue that movie was a success because it was filmed in the 80's
(I think?) during the cold war, and it portrayed the 'evil communist'
preying on the 'little people.' Americans went bonkers for ANY movie
that vilified communists.
I guess my point is we should be glad Hollywood hasn't screwed us as
they have most every other ethnic group in the US. You mentioned the
Italians (in a way I don't agree with btw), how long have those poor
souls put up with the mafia associations, the "Vinny" stereotypes? Not
only is it not fair to them, but I would argue that if a person hears
something so often, even THEY start to believe it about themselves! To
be portrayed in Hollywood is to be forever associated with the
stereotype HOLLYWOOD assigns you. Hollywood is the scourge of today's
society, the Goebbels of our era; they do not take responsibility for
the social impact their trash has on both the audience and the
subject....
Nicolas
You Italians are so crude;)
Put a donkey's head in his bed, that'll smarten 'im up.
Nicolas
Jim
> It's about time we had a movie like My Big Fat Greek Wedding. No, I
> haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
>
> But, how many movies about Italian-Americans have we had? Too many!
> And about them doing what? Killing their fellow men whether they be
> wasps, blacks, Jews, or even other Italians.
Italians have been a big part of the entertainment world since the
vaudeville days. In the 20's and 30's, "wop" songs and "wop" comedies were
popular. But the "wops" were often being played by Jews or people from
other ethnic groups. If you want to see a relic of this preserved on film,
just look at any Marx Brothers film with Chico. I mean, you didn't really
think he was Italian, did you?
how...@brazee.net
and occasionally even a Mexican.
plat4
For some reason Latino actors usually play *excellent* Greeks and
Greeks *excellent* Latinos ( George Chakiris as "Bernardo" in West Side story
immediately comes to mind but there are others). I also look at the examples of
Anthony Quinn and Raul Julia ( "Tempest "1981 with John Casavetis). The Latina
girl in Corellis Mandolin did ..........ok.........as a Greek but nothing to
write home about. I was very suprised in watching Raul Julia , he did as good a
Greek as Quinn.........he even played the clarino and sang Greek!. Julia and
Quinn somehow managed to *capture* the fun loving indomitable will of the Greek
character and the enduring hardships that go along with that character. Very
entertaining and amazing IMO.
Manos
madkevin
"The Grook" <huartog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> God bless the Greeks and may Jesus shit on the Italians. Yeah, Ma
> Fangu, you lowlifes.
Ah, Tony's jealous 'cos we got all the good directors. Besides, Jesus already shit on the
Italians - how do you think we got Sicily?
==============
"I, Cogliani"
Stephen Cooke
On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 how...@brazee.net wrote:
> Of course for Hollywood, Anthony Quinn is The Greek. He's also the Arab,
> and occasionally even a Mexican.
Don't forget Eskimo.
swac
And although it's more correct, Quinn the Innu doesn't quite have the same
ring to it.
Stephen Cooke
On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, madkevin wrote:
> "The Grook" <huartog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > God bless the Greeks and may Jesus shit on the Italians. Yeah, Ma
> > Fangu, you lowlifes.
>
> Ah, Tony's jealous 'cos we got all the good directors. Besides, Jesus already shit on the
> Italians - how do you think we got Sicily?
Ask Dennis Hopper.
swac
Looking for his Lou Monte records.
cr
> There are tons of movies about rowdy frat boys.
About the ancient Greeks, we have had a lot of fantasy movies such as
Clash of the Titans, and a ridiculous epic or two, like Helen of Troy,
but when are we going to have another good, serious movie about the Greeks?
Iphigenia was 25 years ago. Why has there not been a movie about the
Peloponesian War, I wonder? Mary Renault's The Last of the Wine could be
a great movie about that conflict.
-cr
Al Jackson
> haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
>
> But, how many movies about Italian-Americans have we had? Too many!
> And about them doing what? Killing their fellow men whether they be
> wasps, blacks, Jews, or even other Italians.
>
> Hispanics complain about underrepresentation in the movie business.
> But, the real crime is that law-abiding, honest, hardworking, and
> morally superior Greek Americans and their wonderfully rich stories
> have been neglected while the crooked, murderous, idiotic, and
> demented criminal deeds of Italian-Americans have been romanticized
> nauseatingly to the nth degree!
>
Tho, I know you are speaking of Greek-Americans , not long ago there
were some great films in art theaters from Greek directors
my favorites are from
Michael Cacoyannis
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Cacoyannis,+Michael
alas his body of work is too small!
Jim
> Of course for Hollywood, Anthony Quinn is The Greek. He's also the Arab,
> and occasionally even a Mexican.
He was even an American of some kind in "La Strada". It's good to have an
all purpose foreigner, like Omar Sharif playing Doctor Zhivago.
George Kourtesis
"cr" <os...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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'Gates of Fire' the best selling novel about The Batle of Thermopylae is
currently being looked at by Michael Mann so who knows.
REAL
> About the ancient Greeks, we have had a lot of fantasy movies such as
> Clash of the Titans, and a ridiculous epic or two, like Helen of Troy,
> but when are we going to have another good, serious movie about the Greeks?
> Iphigenia was 25 years ago. Why has there not been a movie about the
> Peloponesian War, I wonder? Mary Renault's The Last of the Wine could be
> a great movie about that conflict.
>
> -cr
Wasn't long ago that the Greeks were suffering in the "Turkey for the Turks" now there
are not many left. History is repeating itself over and over and the Kurds now must
survive the Turkish fascism.
America, America (1963)
Synopsis:
At the turn of the century, a young Greek man embarks from his Turkish village on a
trek to his dream of getting to America, encountering ethnic prejudice and harsh
conditions along the way.
http://www.hollywood.com/movies/detail/movie/161772
Genre(s):
epic
drama
Distributor(s):
Warner Bros (USA)
Warner Home Video (video-USA)
Theatrical Release:
Dec 15 1963
America, America (1963)
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/kazan.htm
Elia Kazan (1909-) - Elia Kazanjoglous, 'Gadge'
Reviewer: James Harrison Cohen from New York, NY United States
An amazing epic journey, filled with deep emotion, desire, and the longing a century
ago for a Greek youth in Ottoman Turkey to beat all odds and come to America. As he
put it, "I have been beaten, robbed, stabbed and left for deat. I have eaten the
Sultan's garbage and fought off dog's to get at it." It is a universal story, an epic
one, and a great motion picture too, perhaps one of the best, and it is the story of
Elia Kazan's life. But for the fact that Kazan was banished from the industry for
"naming names," for being a "police informer," this picture no doubt would have won
many Oscars, including best picture of the year. But "Tom Jones" beat it out --a
wonderful picture too, but not anywhere near Kazan's "America America" for insight,
depth, and a real claim to an American hisory --the story of what America was all
about to those "wretched refuse of your teaming shore" in 1900. Five stars and five
stars more.
A flight from Turkish savagery, March 22, 1999
Reviewer: A viewer from Boston, MA
Kazan's depiction of Stavros's flight from Turkish brutality in the early part of this
century strikes a stark portrait of the essence of survival. When Armenians and Greeks
were being driven out by genocidal methods by the Turks in the years of 1915-1922,
Kazan's hero is an example of the few that made it to a land where one could start
over. That land as so lovingly reffered to by tens of thousands of immigrants was and
still is America.The soundtrack is great, Kazan's direction is haunting, and the
message is searing. A film with universal appeal. Bravo.
Elia Kazan. One of the leading forces in both american theater and film industry. He
went in America in the age of four as an immigrant, but he never forgot Greece. He was
firstly known as an actor, but he soon started directing and won many Academy awards
for his film "Gentleman's agreement" (1947). In the next years he made other
box-office hits like "A streetcar named desire" (1951), "On the waterfront"
(1954),"East of Eden"(1955),"America-America" (1962). He discovered many actors and
actresses like Marlon Brando and he directed 21 Oscar-nominated performances and nine
winners. His career came almost to the end when he was blacklisted for being an
ex-communist, but he managed to survive. He wrote the screenplay for many of his films
and his last success was in 1976 with "The Last Tycoon". Since then he stopped filming
and he wrote a novel about his life. Now he lives somewhere between Greece and US,
writing books and articles and in 1999 was awarded an honorary Oscar for his movies.
http://members.tripod.com/Don_Marco/greeks2.htm
Could you explain us your work as a writer?
E.K. -Now I wanna tell you why I decided to write a novel: because I'm Anatolian and I
found out that nobody told the story of my people, nobody knew it... except me! I know
about it, I know the history of my family, I know about my friends and about my
family's friends. I'm very interested in and that's why I wrote "America, America",
for example, as a sign of my love and passion for my family.
(Berlin Film Festival, Press Conference, 18th February 1996)
http://www.tinet.ch/VOI/96/berlino/kazan_e.htm
trotsky
What the hell does that have to do with what I said?
ntmarzolino
trotsky
ntmarzolino wrote:
>
> What the hell does any of this have to do with ITALIAN?
I guess it goes without saying that since have a penchant for top
posting you lack the necessary alpha waves to read the SUBJECT LINE.
Jim S.
> 'Gates of Fire' the best selling novel about The Batle of Thermopylae is
> currently being looked at by Michael Mann so who knows.
INCREDIBLE book. If they give this thing the scope it deserves, it will make
the battle scenes in Braveheart look small scale. REALLY hoping Mann does the
film and has carte blanche to do as he pleases.
--
Jim S.
WolfWolf
noya
>What the hell does that have to do with what I said?
And the way the car went over the top was really sweet. I'm glad you
agree with his point though.
David Walker
Claudio Bianchini
ntmarzolino ha scritto:
> What the hell does any of this have to do with ITALIAN?
The guy who started the thread was complaining about the flooding of movies
with italian characters.
I think the latest is "Soprano's". I have not yet understood the unwillingness of italian
tv to give "Soprano's" a better tv hour. It is aired only on 23,30 and in summer, it's worth
seeing it, it could have been a success with a better advertising.
ntmarzolino
cr
> What the hell does that have to do with what I said?
It was a little before 9:00, I think, Eastern time.
-cr
plat4
The show damages the image of italians. Not that italians care though,
they seem to glorify that scumbag lowlife mafia shit. You all deserve to get
stereotyped .
clearlight
Pekinese, 1/4 Vietnamese-quasi-Americans who came over because they
heard it was the land of Golden Welfare Opportunity with lots of fine
white women to fuck, and lots of white people to kill and bellyache
about?
Why hasn't Hollywood celebrated them already?
Arrow and Bow
"clearlight" <between...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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Haven't you seen Sum of All Fears, yet?
Dorian West
version of Greeks. It's very understandable that they are jealous of Greeks.
Very rarely do Italians make it past high school and excel in higher
learning. The only Italians of any note, the Romans, were racially Hellenic,
having been refugees from the Trojan War. Apart from that and the Hellenic
inspired Renaissance, they are as depicted in the Hollywood movies -
outright gangsters and abject cowards.
"plat4" <pl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >God bless the Greeks and may Jesus shit on the Italians. Yeah, Ma
> >Fangu, you lowlifes.
>
>
>
> Well I agree with you up to a point. I find that *most* of the
> Italians are lowlifes ( and for some strange reason they *dislike* Greeks)
with
> a huge chip on their shoulders but I do have some real decent ones that
are my
> next door neighbors. I find that most Italians are clearly jealous of
Greeks. I
> was happy when Athens beat out Rome for the 2004 Olympics. That , to me
was
> sweet.
>
>
> Manos
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[nikiforos]
fascist!!!! hahaha ***fuckoff***
"Toto" <torr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> how about a movie on the nov 17???? good luck with the olympics!!!!
> hahaha ***plonk***
>
> huartog...@hotmail.com (The Grook) wrote in message
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> > It's about time we had a movie like My Big Fat Greek Wedding. No, I
> > haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
> >
> > But, how many movies about Italian-Americans have we had? Too many!
> > And about them doing what? Killing their fellow men whether they be
> > wasps, blacks, Jews, or even other Italians.
> >
> > Hispanics complain about underrepresentation in the movie business.
> > But, the real crime is that law-abiding, honest, hardworking, and
> > morally superior Greek Americans and their wonderfully rich stories
> > have been neglected while the crooked, murderous, idiotic, and
> > demented criminal deeds of Italian-Americans have been romanticized
> > nauseatingly to the nth degree!
> >
> > What is Hollywood doing? Is it one organized criminal empire honoring
> > another? One bunch of sharks glamourizing another pack of sharks?
> >
> > It's about time we had movies about how Americans can go out to have a
> > decent dinner thanks to Greek-run restaurants. From fast food to
> > fancy cuisine, no city has a restaurant scene worth showing off if it
> > aint got the Greeks.
jojo
"[nikiforos]" <ab...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> How about a movie on the Red Brigades???? Good luck with Burlesconi the
> fascist!!!! hahaha ***fuckoff***
idiot, it's Berlusconi.. how ignorant you are...
get a life scumbag hairy shit
The Iron Fist
"jojo" <jo...@bipbip.com> wrote in message
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but he is a rather burlesque character.
[nikiforos]
I'm sorry, Mr. Macaroni! Unfortunately, I don't make a point on wasting
brain space on the names of fascists.
>
>
>
jojo
>
> "jojo" <jo...@bipbip.com> wrote in message
> news:Ticc9.131321$lu5.3...@twister1.libero.it...
> >
> > "[nikiforos]" <ab...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:ApBa9.287816$sA3.5...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > > How about a movie on the Red Brigades???? Good luck with Burlesconi
the
> > > fascist!!!! hahaha ***fuckoff***
> >
> > idiot, it's Berlusconi.. how ignorant you are...
> > get a life scumbag hairy shit
>
> I'm sorry, Mr. Macaroni!
LMAO hahaha, what a dork, another mispelled word...
WolfWolf
They have such problems. The Grekiki language is very poor: fis and tsips,
tsorts, tson, tsents, tsizburger.
WolfWolf
The European
original
> LMAO hahaha, what a dork, another ****mispelled**** word...
...hahaha, what an idiot.
original
> They have such problems. The Grekiki language is very poor: fis and tsips,
> tsorts, tson, tsents, tsizburger.
> WolfWolf
> The European
...considering your elementary level of english, you should avoid commenting.
Richard
wrote:
>
>"jojo" <jo...@bipbip.com> wrote in message
>news:xnPc9.139893$lu5.3...@twister1.libero.it...
Only amongst geeks, white trash and other scum who
would watch a movie in a public toilet as long as
it's free. I'm also sure it's being sold on disk
in the Orient since they figure they shouldn't have to
pay for anything either.
-Rich
jojo
"original" <hano...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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cojon, che cazzo ridi... ? haha! Tua madre lo succhia col culo, vero? Brutto
frocio di merda!
jojo
get a life, moron!
jojo
> huartog...@hotmail.com (The Grook) wrote in message
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> > It's about time we had a movie like My Big Fat Greek Wedding. No, I
> > haven't seen it. No, it's probably not that good.
>
>
> can't remember her name for the life of me. The movie isn't about
> Greeks alone, it's about Greek-Americans and their struggle to
> maintain their ethnic identity from childhood on. During the interview
> she made a great point: Greeks don't fit in to a Hollywood mold. We're
> a grounded people that doesn't fit into the stuffy country club mold
> (if you've ever sat for dinner with a true Greek family you know what
> I mean). Yet we're not on the other end of the spectrum either. That
> is, we're not a problematic minority. The American public simply
> doesn't feel sorry for us as they do other ethnic groups.... and why
> should they? As far as ethnic groups go, we've exemplified success as
> a whole: prison or crime is not associated with Greeks as it is with
> other ethnicities. Cops don't racially profile us, we don't pick
> strawberries. The grossly larger majority of Greeks are affluent and
> educated. People want prison stories, cops and robbers, drugs and
> tragedy. How many Japanese-American movies have you seen (another
> successful ethnicity)? One could point out our Greek history and say
> there's plenty of stories to be told. The old movie, Eleni, which took
> place during our civil war period and commented on the atrocities our
> people faced in the hands of the communists. I'll tell you though, I
> would argue that movie was a success because it was filmed in the 80's
> (I think?) during the cold war, and it portrayed the 'evil communist'
> preying on the 'little people.' Americans went bonkers for ANY movie
> that vilified communists.
> I guess my point is we should be glad Hollywood hasn't screwed us as
> they have most every other ethnic group in the US. You mentioned the
> Italians (in a way I don't agree with btw), how long have those poor
> souls put up with the mafia associations, the "Vinny" stereotypes? Not
> only is it not fair to them, but I would argue that if a person hears
> something so often, even THEY start to believe it about themselves! To
> be portrayed in Hollywood is to be forever associated with the
> stereotype HOLLYWOOD assigns you. Hollywood is the scourge of today's
> society, the Goebbels of our era; they do not take responsibility for
> the social impact their trash has on both the audience and the
> subject....
>
return to your 3rd world shitty country.
WolfWolf
Porca miseria, questo stronzo!!!
DarrinT68
energizer bunny - they keep going...and going and going.. ehe The same Jews who
are the oldest of any people on earth, still around with their national
identity and cultural heritage intact. The same Jews who have exerted an
influence on world civilization more profound and lasting than any other
ancient culture. The same Jews who are universally acknowledged as the source
of many of the major religions of the world. A people who had the foresight to
build AN EMPIRE OF THEIR OWN. A HOLY people who built HOLLYWOOD. A medium that
continues to attract billions of devotees. In case the new anti-Semitic yokels
are unaware:
* How Jews were involved in every "movie first"
* The producers and directors who added the "Jewish touch"
* The Spielberg phenomenon that made Jewish values & ideas universal
* Unmasking the stars to tell you who's really Jewish...
Many scholars agree that movies have shaped American culture more than any
other medium. Movies give us many of our heroes. Movies that help identify our
values. They help define for us love and life, the "good guys" and the "bad
guys." They teach us to laugh and to cry. And most important of all, they imbue
us with our dreams. Hollywood movies, probably more than anything else, created
the American dream and then exported it around the world. And wonders to
wonders, the founding fathers of cinema and many of the most important movers
and shakers of this industry were none other than the descendants of Abraham.
Progeny of the very people who in ancient days sought to influence the world by
using holy wood to build a temple, would now create Hollywood to build an
industry that would attract devout worshipers and insatiable devotees. The
story of the birth of the movies is so fascinating, it ought to be made into a
movie....
THE FOUNDING FATHERS BIO:
* CARL LAEMMLE (UNIVERSAL) was born in a small village in Germany, fled from
the poverty of his background to come to America, and founded Universal
Pictures.
* ADOLPH ZUCKER (PARAMOUNT/RKO) was born in Hungary, became orphaned as a small
child, came to America lonely, and unloved, and built Paramount Pictures.
* WILLIAM FOX (20TH CENTURY FOX) also born in Hungary, came to the States as a
poor immigrant selling soda and sandwiches and working as a chimney sweeper
until he one day founded the Fox Film Corporation.
* LOUIS B. MAYER (MGM) was born in Russia, fled his father's junkyard business,
and eventually headed up the greatest studio of all, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.
* BENJAMIN WARNER (WARNER BROTHERS) came from Poland to seek fortune in
America. Here he worked as a cobbler in Baltimore, peddled notions from a
wagon, and tried to eke out a living so that he could feed his four sons,
Harry, Sam, Albert, and Jack. Then he bought a broken movie projector and one
thing led to another, until incredibly enough, Warner brothers was born.
* IRVING THALBERG (UNIVERSAL)
* DAVID O. SELZNICK (PARAMOUNT/RKO)
* JACOB LOEB (20TH CENTURY FOX)
* HARRY COHN (COLUMBIA)
* SAMUEL L. GOLDWYN (MGM, b. GOLDFISCH)...
Yes, they were all Jews, but the connection goes deeper. They all came from a
background of failure. They either had no father or their father was a
luftmensch - a man in the air who could never find a permanent job. Maybe it's
too Freudian, but Neal Gabler, in his fascinating study of the Jewish influence
on Hollywood, An Empire Of Their Own, suggested: The evidence certainly
supports the view that the sons, embittered by their father's failures,
launched a war against their own pasts, a patricide one could say, against
everything their fathers respresented. To escape their father's fate meant
escaping their past: The European roots, the language and accents, the customs
and the religion. One had to erase it...and adopt a new style - a style for
America. America was the vaptism to cleanse and renew....
These were immigrants who not only wanted to assimilate in a new land, they
wanted to re-create it in their own image. Movies gave them a power that was
almost God-like: If they were too late to create the world, they could at least
create America- its values and its myths, its traditions and its archetype, its
hopes and its dreams. And so it was the Jewish immigrants who came from the
shetels and the ghettos, who fled poverty and persecution, who thought up,
produced, and then mass marketed nothing less than the American dream...
THE MOVIE "FIRSTS"
Even before the powerful movie studios ruled the industry, one-reeler shorts
were made, forerunners of films as we know them. Probably the first one
produced was Cohen's Advertising Scheme. The story line was pretty simple: A
Jewish storekeeper tries unsuccessfully to make a sale. He finally gives up and
gives the vagrant, who didn't buy it, a full-length coat as a gift. When the
vagrant turns around, we see a sign advertising the store painted on the back.
So the very first movie made clear that the Jews were great salesman. It would
become a fitting metaphor for the movie industry that would make its mark with
brilliant advertising.....
The first American feature film was The Great Train Robbery (1903) starring a
Jew, Max Anderson, in the lead. Anderson went on to write, produce and act in
the very successful series of westerns - "Bronco Billy" - a theme Jewish
producers would find irresistible, maybe, just maybe, because it portrayed the
themes of heroism, conquering a new land, and overpowering the "strangers"
(translate that to mean Indians or Cossacks) who wanted to kill you?
The first large Hollywood production, from Adolph Zucker's Paramount, was
Queen Elizabeth (1912), starring the incomparable Sarah Bernhardt. Here was
more than a Jewish American Princess; Sarah, in the first major film, actually
made it to Queen. It was the success of this movie - the first film to be shown
in legitimate theater halls - that allowed Zucker to claim film as a legitimate
art form.....
But the biggest "first" of all, the one that catapulted movies from a minor
diversion to a major form of communication was the move into "talkies." And the
Jewish connection wasn't only that it was Warner Brothers that made the
picture. The first full-length talking film told the story of a young man who
rejected the wish of his father, a cantor, who wanted him, too, to become a
cantor. The cantor's son, instead of singing to God in the temple, chose to
become a popular singer. The movie was really the story of Al Jolson's life. In
a deeper sense, as the story of children breaking with their past for popular
acclaim and fame, it was also the story of almost all the patriarchs of
Hollywood....
PRODUCED BY...
As the studios grew, so did the role of the Jews there. Barney became president
of Paramount in 1936; Nicholas and Joseph Schenk became presidents of MGM; and
Irving Thalberg, the wunderkind of the film industry and movie legend who was
responsible for production at the age of 23, was manager of MGM from the end of
the 1920s until his death in 1936. When independent producers started to
challenge the major studios, again the majority of them were Jews. Probably the
most outstanding independent was Mike Todd, producer of Around the World in 80
Days. Todd was responsible for trhe Todd-AO new method of cinematography and,
according to many, responsible for Elizabeth Taylor joining the misshpachah and
converting to Judaism...
David O. Selznick, son of industry pioneer Lewis J. Selznick, produced Gone
With The Wind (1939), one of the all-time movie classics. Hal Roach made us
laugh with the Harold lloyd series and the Laurel And Hardy films of the 20s
and 30s. Sam Spiegel used his high artistic standards to produce such fine
films such as the African Queen, On The Waterfront, The Bridge On The River
Quai, and Lawrence Of Arabia. Stanley Kramer, another independent producer, was
responsible for some of the best films to come out of Hollywood after 1945:
Home Of The Brave, Champion, High Noon, and Death Of A Salesman. He would later
direct On The Beach, Judgment At Nuremberg and Ship Of Fools.....
DIRECTED BY...
To be a director has to be a Jew's dream job. Descended from people who
throughout the ages have been told what to do by others, it must be the
ultimate thrill to finally be able to tell others what to do. No wonder so many
Jews made their mark as film directors! Ernst ubitsch came to this country from
Germany in 1923, after making a name for himself in his native country. He
directed sophisticated comedies with such finesse that a new phrase was coined
in Hollywood, "The Lubitsch touch." To him we owe Ninotchka, To Be Or Not To
Be, and Cluny Brown. Erich Van Stroheim and Josef Von Sternberg began the
trend toward realism. To Sternberg we owe Marlene Deitrich's performance in
Blue Angel - and from then on Detrich considered him her permanent director.
Any movie buff will know and appreciate these other names in our Jewish Hall of
Fame: William Wyler, Cecil B. Demille, Stanley Kubrick, Billy Wilder, Jules
Dassin, Fred Zinnemann, Joseph L. Mankiewicz, Sidney Lumet, John Frankenheimer,
Steven Spielberg, Roman Polanski, Michael Curtiz, Mervyn LeRoy, Woody Allen,
Otto Preminger, George Cukor, Milos Forman, Sydney Pollack, Barry Levinson,
Ralph Bakshi, Peter Bogdanovich, Joel & Ethan Coen, Rob Reiner, Arthur Hiller,
John Schlesinger, Oliver Stone, Josef Von Sternberg, Alan J. Pakula, etc, etc,
etc....
THE DIRECTOR WITH JEWISH ANGST...
As the Jacob-of-all-trades, one of the most famous of all in the movie industry
is Allen Stewart Konigsberg. Oh, maybe you don't recognize him by his name his
parents gave him when he was born in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, New
York. But of course you've heard of Woody Allen - director, screenwriter,
playwright, actor, and self-described genius. Like many other Jews, Allen had
problems coming to terms with his past and his heritage. In his early stand-up
routines, Allen would quip about his parents: "Their values are God and
carpeting." He explained his problem about believing in God this way: "If only
God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a
Swiss bank." he obsessed about his mortality: "It's not that I'm afraid to die.
I just don't want to be there when it happens." And, as a Jew, he was so
depressed by the lessons of history that told he told a 1980 college graduating
class: "More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction.
Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly...."
Woody Allen may well be neurotic. For some he is a protypical "self-hating
Jew." And his private life has had its problems. But his incredible talent
simply cannot be denied; his creative genius set the standard for comedy as an
art form. How many of these would you rank among the all-time great films ever
produced, directed, and written? What's New Pussycat?, Play It Again Sam, Take
The Money And Run, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (But Were
Afraid To ask), Annie Hall, Interiors, Manhattan, Stardust Memories, Zelig,
Radio Days, Hannah & Her Sisters, and Crimes And Misdemeanors. And this is only
a sampling of Allen's films. Not bad for a college drop-out from NYU and City
College.......
AND "THE SPIELBERG
PHENOMENON".....
Steven Spielberg says that his earliest memory is a brightly lit room with a
red light on one end, filled with white-bearded old men wearing black hats -
the Cincinnate synagogue into which he was carried by his parents when he was
six months old. Since then he probably hasn't forgotten a thing. And he can
describe everything with total recall....
Spielberg was a self-described "Jewish nerd" who felt like an alien in the
gentile world around him. That may well make him the subconscious role model
for E.T. - and reveal for the first time that E.T. was really Jewish!!
Bar mitzvahed in an Orthodox synagogue, Spielberg's movies all have a profound
link with his identity. They share his perception of the world as a member of a
people who have been considered outsiders for countless centuries. Close
Encounters of the Third Kind is really a religious conviction that "there's
something else out there." Raiders of the Lost Ark, a movie about an American
archaeologist vying with the Nazis to find a sacred relic with cosmic power, is
a parable of good struggling with evil for control of the religious power that
comes with the past . E.T. is the way a modern Jew would record an encounter
with a Biblical angel. Jurassic Park tells the incredible tale of a dinasour -
an animal that surely would have been extinct by now - coming back to life.
Do you know Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones from Ezekiel 37:1-14?
Speilberg did the last editing cut on Jurassic Park while he was filming
Schindler's List in Poland. The remarkable connection between the two couldn't
have been lost on him: By all logic, the Jews should have disappeared during
the Holocaust just as th dinosaurs did eons earlier. But a remnant survived.
That remnant served as a remarkable conclusion to Schindler's List when those
who were saved filed past the grave of Oskar Schindler to give thanks. The
screen told us how the hundreds who didn't perish were blessed to become
thousands and thousands in the next generation.....
Whenever the Torah is carried back to the Ark after being read in synagogue
services, the congregation recites the prayer, "Renew our days as of old."
Sounds a lot to me like Back To The Future, a theme so imporatnt to Spielberg
that he went ahead and made Back To The Future II and III...
By all accounts, as well as by us, seven Oscars, Schindler's List is the most
powerful, the most revealing, and the most sensitive movie ever made about the
Holocaust. It has probably been able to make a greater impression on humankind
than all the Holocaust museums combined. And, as Spielberg made clear on the
screen, the aim of this masterpiece is to make the world understand a simple
Talmudic teaching: "He who saves one's soul is as if he has saved an entire
world." We might have thought that after this there was surely nothing
Spielberg could do for an encore. Real genius, however, knows no limits. The
greatest jewish ideal of all is shalom - peace. Who else but Spielberg could
have given us Saving Private Ryan - the movie that will assuredly go down in
history as the ultimate depiction of the horros of the war. It is the one movie
that may perhaps turn the prophetic ideal of peace into reality.....
STARRING: NAME THAT JEW...
Let's play a game. You're welcome to try it with your friends. I call it "NAME
THAT JEW." For the purpose of the online world, I will supply you the birth
names & corresponding stage names of some of the many famous stars...
Issuri Danielovitch-Demsky (KIRK DOUGLAS)
Fanny Rose (DINAH SHORE)
Emanuel Goldenberg (EDWARD G. ROBINSON)
Allen Stewart Konigsberg (WOODY ALLEN)
Judith Tuvin (JUDY HOLIDAY)
Julius Garfinkle (JOHN GARFIELD)
Simone Kaminker (SIMONE SIGNORET)
Shirley Schrift (SHELLY WINTERS)
Jospeh Levitch (JERRY LEWIS)
Theodoria Goodman (THEDA BARA)
Pauline Marion Levee (PAULETTE GODDARD)
Milton Berlinger (MILTON BERLE)
Benjamin Kubelsky (JACK BENNY)
Asa Yoelson (AL JOLSON)
Tula Ellice Finkler (CYD CHARISSE)
Betty Jane Perske (LAUREN BACALL)
Leslie Stainer (LESLIE HOWARD)
Joan Molinsky (JOAN RIVERS)
Jill Oppenheim (JILL ST. JOHN)
Sophie Abruzza (SOPHIE TUCKER)
Jerome Silberman (GENE WILDER)
Laszlo Lowenstein (PETER LORRE)
David Kominski (DANNY KAYE)
Eugene Orowitz (MICHAEL LANDON)
Bernie Schwartz (TONY CURTIS)
Winona Horowitz (WINONA RYDER)
Michael Igor Peschowsky (MIKE NICHOLS)
Al, Jimmy, And Harry Joachim (THE RITZ BROTHERS)
Sophia Koscow (SYLVIA SIDNEY)
Nathan Birnbaum (GEORGE BURNS)
Aaron Chwatt (RED BUTTONS)
Roman Liebling (ROMAN POLANSKI)
The Three Stooges (HOROWITZ, FEINBERG)
Lenny Bruce (LEONARD ALFRED SCHNEIDER)
Bob Dylan (ROBERT ALLEN ZIMMERMAN)
Andrew Dice Clay (ANDREW SILVERSTEIN)
Paul Muni (MUNI WEISENFREUND)
Roney Dangerfield (JACK COHEN)
Mel Brooks (KAMINSKY)
Kenny G (GORELICK)
Gene Simmons (b. WITZ, "KISS")...
THE LEAST YOU NEED TO KNOW...
* Jewish immigrants are the founding fathers of almost all of the Hollywood
studios, and they continue to bring their vision of the American Dream to the
screen.
* All the movie firsts - firts one-reeler, first feature film, first talkie -
all have an important jewish theme or demension.
* Jews played and continue to play a major role as producers and directors of
some of the most important films in cinema history.
* Woody allen occupies a unique place in movie history for his multifaceted
genius and his comic ingenuity.
* Steven Spielberg has managed to universalize Jewish values in a way like no
one else and leaves an unparalleled legacy that includes the most powerful
films ever made about war and the Holocaust.
* There were many famous Jewish actors and actresses who were compelled to
change their names so that they'd appear more "American."
* It's much easier today in Hollywood for Jews to be successful without having
to hide their background.
original
> cojon, che cazzo ridi... ? haha! Tua madre lo succhia col culo, vero? Brutto
> frocio di merda!
..ap'to moustaki ths manas sou na kremasths re linguine. haha, hoohoo?
original
> get a life, moron!
...eat a hairy ass, idiot!
original
> return to your 3rd world shitty country.
...you mean the one infested with italian tourists? you think Naples
has rats, you ain't seen nothin'....
jojo
primitive country, primitive language... I see
jojo
cojon, hahahaha!
jojo
yours? no thanx, mr stinky
and GFY! haha!
Dorian West
hook-nosed race of mutilated penised camel fuckers needed to act
inappropriately in order to gain advantage over humans. Then you sub-human
pieces of shit complain when Europeans make you dig your own graves and
shoot you.
"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020903233831...@mb-cf.aol.com...
original
> > ...eat a hairy ass, idiot!
>
> yours? no thanx, mr stinky
> and GFY! haha!
..you would take that as an offer.
original
> > ..ap'to moustaki ths manas sou na kremasths re linguine. haha, hoohoo?
>
> primitive country, primitive language... I see
...obviously you don't.
original
> cojon, hahahaha!
..dick, hehehe!
original
> Porca miseria, questo stronzo!!!
...hide chihuahua, hide.
DarrinT68
>From: "Dorian West" west...@iprimus.com.au
>Date: 9/4/02 4:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3d75c...@news.iprimus.com.au>
>Thanks for expounding on Jewish nepotism. I always knew such an ugly,
>hook-nosed race of mutilated penised camel fuckers needed to act
>inappropriately in order to gain advantage over humans. Then you sub-human
>pieces of shit complain when Europeans make you dig your own graves and
>shoot you.>
OY VAY! What ABORIGINE rock did you crawl out from!?eheh Shouldn't a savage
heathen (AU was built over a penal island!eh) such as yourself be more
concerned with DINGOES!? ehehe The same beasts that are causing more harm to
innocent children than any circumcision ever could. eh FYI: Circumcision is
still the safest & most common surgical procedure in all of medicine, occurring
more frequently than tooth extraction. A procedure that provides a lifetime of
health benefits. No need to shlep a useless scab of skin around, and worry
about infections, smell, higher incidence of STDs, phimosis & penile cancer.
Once again, praise the Jews, and the jealous Gentiles come a running!heeheh My
GOYDAR works each and every time!heh P.S. I am sure that the large HASIDIC
community in AUSTRALIA, would just love to hear your comments. A community that
is one of the largest, outside of NYC & ISRAEL. Now go pull that useless scab
of smelly foreskin over your decrepit POONIM!eheh Which brings me to the
following: Do you think your heathen TUSH is better looking than PAUL NEWMAN
(father was Jewish), HARRISON FORD (mother is Jewish), JAMES CAAN or TONY
CURTIS (b. Bernie Schwartz)!? If you're a woman, how 'bout ALICIA SILVERSTONE,
WINONA RYDER (b. Horowitz), GINA GERSHON, SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR!? Plenty of
handsome & pretty Jews for the taking. Unlike The Aborigines in your hapless
country, ugliness is not indigenous to the Jewish people. The only thing that
is ugly is your RACIST IDEOLOGY! -D, NYC "The first sex symbol in movie
history was Jewish - THEDA BARA" (b. Goodman)
Dorian West
The only 1 on this list more handsome than me would be Tony Curtis and maybe
Paul Newman. SM Gellar is beautiful, OK. The rest are ugly bush pig looking
and Ryder looks like a drug addict. Anyway it's useless comparing these
people who sucked Jewish mutilated cock long and hard to get to where they
are. Most non-Jews don't do that! Ford and Caan are butt ugly like
Schwimmer, the middle-eastern looking fucks, Sadler, Sienfeld, Kramer etc.
All Jews are tainted with ugliness, the mark of Satan, so that non-Jews can
protect themselves. Kissinger is a prime example, ugly as the hell God will
consign him to.
The Hasidics in this country of mine know their place.
We Europeans don't need to mutilate our penis for hygiene, we have something
called "civilisation" and it comes with running water and toilets so we can
clean ourselves daily, not like the hook-nosed desert dwellers that shower
in their own urine.
Richard Brooks
last year ?
AFAIR he was the guy who looked like the Greek Stuart Grainger (white
sideburns) in the WWII films and he filmed with Telly Savalas, Claudia
Cardinale and the bloke who was head of the A Team, in some of those "Dirty
Dozen" type films although not that one.
His first name was Nikos and he played the harmonica as though it sounded
like three harmonicas.
He was a great bloke and kept our spirits up.
Take it from me, if your directors don't actually have a story line and make
it up as they burn up studio time, then you're in for a lot of time standing
around.
The lesbian scene was good fun though!
Richard.
jojo
clap clap
jojo
boring...
original
>
> clap clap
...thank you, thank you very much. First I'd like to thank the
commitee, and of course my fifth grade teacher for whom without
communication with these likes would not have been possible...(tears
flowing...sniff, sniff).. thank you, thank you from the bottom of my
bum.....;)
original
>
> boring...
...try a fetish group?
jojo
soc.culture.greek IS a fetish group
original
>
> soc.culture.greek IS a fetish group
whatever gets you off sicko....
jojo
it took you two days to elaborate that, you must be very smart...
congratulations! haha
original
> it took you two days to elaborate that, you must be very smart...
> congratulations! haha
get out of the house much?
jojo
get a life