William Gladstone, 1897: "...Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians and Servia for Servians.
Greek-Malakas
William Gladstone ...Next to the Ottoman Govt. nothing can be more
deplorable and blameworthy then jealousies between Greek and Slav, and
plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory.
Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians
and Servia for Servians. And if they are small and weak, let them bind
themselves together for defence, so that they may not be devoured by
others, either great and small, which would probably be the effect of
their quarreling among themselves. The Times (London), 6th January
1897, p.12
--
Grekos Malakismos
Greek-Malakas are young, silly and delusory followers of the GREATEST
GREEK-MALAKA GURU, MEGAS-MALAKA-MARTIS!!!
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Stef
By this time the historical geography of the Balkans by Novakovic's close
friend and collaborator, Prof. Cvijic was THE book on the Balkans. And what
was said in that book very nicely suited Bristish foreign policy.
SN
"Greek-Malakas" <greek_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:936ahl$vm4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Krasimir Yalamov
>> > > Ilya Talev ta...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> > > > ++ wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I have heard Macedonian spoken by inhabitants of Greece,
>> > > > > Bulgaria and in the Republic of Macedonia.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have heard Macedonian spoken in Bulgaria too,
>> > > > but it is the "Macedonian dialect" of the Bulgarian
>> > > > language.
>> > >
>> > > Stick to your dancing bears, tataroman. All the dialects in
>> > > Bulgaromania and
>> > > Macedonia are MACEDONIAN language dialects, of MACEDONIAN origin.
>> > There is
>> > > no such thing as a (real) Bulgarian language.
>> >
>> > No need to insult them Zivko! There is such a thing as a (real)
>> > Bulgarian language! Pick up a reference book that describes all
>> > languages in the world. Look up the entry for Chuvash. Chuvashia
an oblast east of the Asov.
It has a modified cyrillic alphabet, however
it is a Turko-altaic language and said to be the descendent of the
>> > Protobulgarian language spoken by REAL Bulgarians. This modern
day language called Bulgarian is not. It is a Slavic language.
>>
>> It has never been my intention to insult the real Bulgars. I was
referring
>> (as was tatroman Talev) to the modern day, official "bulgarian" language
>> (dialects). And that language is of Macedonian origin.
> > Stop falling into the "slavic" trap.
No mattter how it had been in the ancient times on the Balkans
most Macedonians today use some language or dialect
which is either Slavic, e.g. Bulgarian, or Greek.
The history of the Slavic literacy,
including the one of Slav Macedonians,
begins with the name of the Moravian King Rostislav
who requested from the Bizantine emperor to send to him
missionaries so the king's subjects can adopt/practice
Christianity by reading or listening to being read/sung
the Holy scriptures, in their native language.
The missionaries were Cyril and Methodius
(originally Michail and Constantine).
Possibly they and even the Byzantine Emperor
at that time have been ethnic Macedonians.
In any event, the missionaries answered a Slavic request,
endorsed by Byzantium.
Apparently the "brothers" were the right persons for the job,
both in terms of ethnic origin, education, experience
and general background.
While they had possibly been already prepared for the task,
some records say that the brothers invented the Cyrillic alphabet
_in_Moravia_ as part of the official Slavic mission.
In 50 years or so the Moravian Kingdom (or empire)
was destroyed by the not-quite-slavic Magyars.
In the next period of time
the Cyrillic (actually that name came later) literacy
was mainly possible to further develop only in Bulgaria and Serbia,
including the Macedonia regions, as well as later in Russia.
The main point is that historically the language and literacy of
the non-Greek-speaking Macedonians have so deeply merged
with the Slavic ones that today they _are_ (South) Slavic.
For similar reasons the Slavic Macedonian culture (language
and literacy at first place) are deeply merged, almost
indistinguishably, with Bulgarian.
When the Bulgarians came to the Balkans in the 7th century AD,
they subjected and merged with the local population
which population included Slavs and (immediately or later in
the invasion) Macedonians.
Those were the Byzantine times,
long after the fall of the Macedonian Empire to the Romans and others.
Curiously or not,
the First (or 2nd) Capital of the Bulgarian state on the Balkans
was Preslav meaning 'The Best of Slav'
with slava=glory and slovo=word, speech.
Bulgaria was later twice a large empire -- bordering Black,
Aegean and Adriatic Seas and/or a powerful factor
for enhancing the Christian Slavic language and culture --
in Cyrillics.
The great contribution of the Macedonians in all this
is undisputed.
What is arguable are the fine (often meaningless) lines
between one or another ethnic heritage.
The picture is further complicated by the facts of
power and border changes, deseases and massacres,
migration (voluntary or not), politics, etc.
After the Macedonian Empire of Alexander the Great,
the Macedonia regions have been ruled by the Romans, Byzantines,
Bulgarians, Serbs, Turks, Greeks, etc.
In certain times the Slavic culture and influence
were mostly defined in Russia (since the fall of Constantinople
to the Turks) or in the former Soviet Union and satellites,
and Yugoslavia.
At present the Latin and Slavic alphabets are used by
"half" of the peoples all over the globe.
In any case Macedonians have given a lot
to the Slavic culture which is 'part' of theirs.
June R Harton
"Greek-Malakas" wrote
> 1897
> William Gladstone ...Next to the Ottoman Govt. nothing can be more
> deplorable and blameworthy then jealousies between Greek and Slav, and
> plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory.
> Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians
> and Servia for Servians. And if they are small and weak, let them bind
> themselves together for defence, so that they may not be devoured by
> others, either great and small, which would probably be the effect of
> their quarreling among themselves. The Times (London), 6th January
> 1897, p.12
> GREEK-MALAKA GURU, MEGAS-MALAKA-MARTIS!!!
Stop being stupid. It looked like Bulgaria (Russia) might gain the
real Macedonia at the time, so Gladstone said the above to forstall
that plan.
From: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
......The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
Voyager
http://www.hri.org/docs/macque/
http://www.cc.ece.ntua.gr/~conster/PageData/list_of_inscriptions.htm
http://www.ancientgreece.com/
http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/06/en/politics/top/top000.html
http://www.macedonia.com/greek/
http://cal044202.student.utwente.nl/~marsares/history/index.html
MACEDONIA MEANS GREECE
Well again !!!!!!!!!!!
I think I have to make a history lesson which is part of
every good ELEMENTARY school around the world !!!!!
When we are talking about Macedonians we are talking
about Greek people and the history of them starts the 6th
again the 6th century BEFORE Christ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Macedonians were Dorians as the Spartans were.
Macedon it's a Greek name and it means tall-man.
They were speaking Greek, having Greek education Greek
religion, Greek costumes, Greek names, and they were the
part of the Greeks who achieve to unified all the Greeks together.
Also a lot's of the greatest minds of the antiquity expect the
political and military leaders were Macedonians.like the
Aristotel and many-many others.
Alexander and Aristotel were THE Greeks as All the Macedonians
of course. If you want more just read the Aristotel.
At the Byzantine times the greatest and longest dynasty of
emperors were the Macedonian dynasty, they also were Greeks
them language was the Greek etc.
The people you call "Macedonians" are SLAVS and the Slavs
came to the Balkan's region at the 7th century AFTER Christ !!!!
Some of the emperors of the Macedonian dynasty defend the
the Greek empire of the middle ages (Byzantine) in many wars
against the Slavs who were trying to invade into it.
Now we learn that Slavs can't be Macedonians for all these reasons
above.
One more time in summary.
1) Macedonians history starts at the 6th century BEFORE Christ.
2) So called Macedonians(Slavs)history starts at 7th century
AFTER Christ. 1100 years of distance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3) Macedonians language was always the GREEK !!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) So called Macedonians language is Slavonic very similar to
Bulgarian language.
Now about the latest history.
The Republic of Macedonia was a Tito's creation and it had to
do with his plans to come down to the Aegean sea.
Tito name this part of the formal Yugoslavia as Macedonia after
the second world war for this reason.
The name of this country before that was Bardarska Banovina.
Of course Titto change everything since then and he started teaching
the kids of this country that they come from Alexander the Great
and they are the great Macedonians for the reason above.
After the fall of the communism in Europe the Americans having
many interests and plants for the region pushed things for the
independence of all the formal Yugoslavia federal countries.
They used Macedonia as a tool to blackmail Greece and to
achieve to push Greece to give them the things they wanted
the way they wanted.
Like the issue of the new NATO military bases in Greece the
oils of the Aegean sea, and of course the silence and cooperation
of Greece during the Bosnian and Kosovo wars, which was the
major targets of the USA in it's effort to put it's foots into the Balkans.
There was even CIA agents around this area those years who trying
to find very poor people and they offered them 10000$ to each
person to sign that they are not Greeks but........."Macedonians".:-)))))
The....."Agency" !!!!!
The operation of the CIA to find in northern Greece co-called Macedonians
(Slavs) started at Jen 1994 and the head was the vice-consul of the
American consulate of Thesaloniki David Shuler.
David Shuler except of a vice-consul he was also a CIA official with
specialty in the destabilization of countries and regimes.
Of course this operation was under the knowledge and the protection
of the consul Mrs Myriam Hughes and the ambassador of the American
Embassy of Athens Thomas Nils.
At January 1994 David Shuler met at the only cafe of a small village
outside Florina (Meliti) some Slavs and give them 100000$ and orders
to work on this project finding "Macedonians" (Slavs) in Greece.
Those persons were P.Voscou, Z.Bulef, I. Pasov, D.Dumutriou.
Those 100000$ was the reward of these 4 persons for their work on
this operation.
After this Shuler and his assistants traveled all around Northern Greece
and they found some people (old the most of them and, very poor, and
with less of without education at all), and he persuade them that some
of their grandfathers were "Macedonian" :-))))) giving them 10000$
He give them to sing a paper in Greek and in English which the most of
them were unable to read.
He took all these papers and he send it to the State Department.
The Greek authorities used to follow all the actions of Shuler's team, from
the beginning until the end, but they didn't arrested him for obvious
reasons.
Shuler also after this job he worked in Thrace and he did terrible things
there.
Some time and when Shulers activities became to extraordinary, and
very dangerous, the Greek government call the consul Hughes and ask her
to stop these activities of Shuler.
M.Hughes answer that Shuler is a young man and he has no experience
and he did some bad and wrong things etc.
You know the usual bullshit.
Now about the future
If you are watching the news you should know that after the end of the
war in Kosovo Greece buy everything inside F.Y.R.O.M. even the
central bank of this country, of course under the oversight of the
Americans.
I'm sure that there will be absolutely no problem between the
Greece and the F.Y.R.O.M and i think that the people of this
country are smart enough to understand that Greece is the best
ally for them as Greece never thread them.
On the contrary Albanians and Bulgars used to thread them a lot.
There's no hard feelings about the people of FYROM in Greece
and i think that they are starting to understand that all these are some
of the idiotic things Titto and some stupid nationalists put them in
the head.
There's still some people like this and they used to say this stupid
things which are ridiculous, and that's a problem but i think it will
not be a serious one, i don't think that they are SO stupid !!!!!!!!!!
I'm sure that the people and the politicians of FYROM knows that,
so the future will be excellent for both sides.
Balkans need the peace and i'm sure that's what the Fyromian
people need and want.
Voyager.
I feel pity sometimes, for the people who
read one or more newspapers, and they think
that they know what really happens in the world.
Thomas Jefferson
Former U.S. President.
Friendly
Voyager.
Voyager
June R Harton
Kr ass to compound the crap wrote
> No mattter how it had been in the ancient times on the Balkans
> most Macedonians today use some language or dialect
> which is either Slavic, e.g. Bulgarian, or Greek.
First the ancients were Greek.
Second you Bulgarians ARE Slavs and speak a slavic language
and have no connection to Macedonia anything. This includes
both Bulgaria and Fyrom.
Third the only Macedonia today is the province of Macedonia
in northern Greece and the 2 1/2 miilion Macedonians there
are Greeks.
The lands to the north are Bulgaria and Fyrom both mainly
inhabited by Bulgarians who speak Bulgarian dialects.
Rest of your crap deleted. The teachers of the Slavs were Greeks.
And, Kr ass just in case you need more truth:
http://www.hri.org/docs/macque/
http://www.cc.ece.ntua.gr/~conster/
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/FAQ.html#Q1
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/mapSeq_Map01.html
http://www.abest.com/~angelos/macfaq.html
http://www.forthnet.gr/EAAN/martis.htm
http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/index.html
:)
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
filok...@my-deja.com
The Macedonians were pure Greeks and their language was the
Greek.
There's too many sources and archeologic exhibits.
The Greek was the Macedonian language always.
>
> The history of the Slavic literacy,
> including the one of Slav Macedonians,
> begins with the name of the Moravian King Rostislav
> who requested from the Bizantine emperor to send to him
> missionaries so the king's subjects can adopt/practice
> Christianity by reading or listening to being read/sung
> the Holy scriptures, in their native language.
The Slavs come to the Balkans at 6th century a.c.as well as
the Huns. They can't be Macedonians.
> The missionaries were Cyril and Methodius
> (originally Michail and Constantine).
Cyrilos and Methodios were Greeks from a rich Greek family
of Thessaloniki.
>
> Possibly they and even the Byzantine Emperor
> at that time have been ethnic Macedonians.
>
> In any event, the missionaries answered a Slavic request,
> endorsed by Byzantium.
>
> Apparently the "brothers" were the right persons for the job,
> both in terms of ethnic origin, education, experience
> and general background.
>
Cyrilos was a school techer and he had study the Slavonic languages.
What is all these lies you're posting.
You can't prove not even one of them
John Alep
John Alep
Macedonia, Greece
<filok...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> The Macedonians were pure Greeks and their language was the
> Greek.
> There's too many sources and archeologic exhibits.
> The Greek was the Macedonian language always.
> The Slavs come to the Balkans at 6th century a.c.as well as
> the Huns. They can't be Macedonians.
> Cyrilos and Methodios were Greeks from a rich Greek family
> of Thessaloniki.
Krasimir Yalamov
Apparently they were the right persons for the job, etc.
What you are calling lies, idiot?
June R Harton
Kr ass wrote
> > Cyrilos was a school techer and he had study the Slavonic
> > languages.
> > What is all these lies you're posting.
> Apparently they were the right persons for the job, etc.
They had many jobs before that and handled other languages
just as well as slavonic....but of course you wouldn't know anything
about that.
> What you are calling lies, idiot?
Everything out of your stupid mouth, idiot.
Krasimir Yalamov
[del]
WHENEVER
it occurs to you that you have anything to say,
shut up and ask another thing to read this for you
(then repeat)
> www.macedon.org/makedonika/supporting_docs/rossos_british_fo.htm
>
> The British Foreign Office and
> Macedonian National Identity, 1918-1941
> by Andrew Rossos,
> Slavic Review, vol. 53, number 2, Summer 1994
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Athens was even more extreme than Belgrade: under the guise
> of "voluntary" emigration they sought to expel the entire Macedonian
> population. Colonel A.C. Corfe, chairman of the League of Nations
Mixed
> Commission on Greco-Bulgarian Emigration, reported in 1923: "In the
> course of conversation, Mr. Lambros [Governor General of Macedonia],
> actually said that the present was a good opportunity to get rid of
the
> Bulgars [sic] who remained in this area and who had always been a
> source of trouble for Greece." [10] This could be achieved at least
> superficially: Athens made a concerted effort to eradicate any
> reminders of the centuries old Slav presence in Aegean Macedonia by
> replacing Slav Macedonian personal names and surnames, as well as
place
> names, etc., by Greek. This policy reached its most extreme and tragic
> dimensions during the late 1930s under the dictatorship of General
> Metaxas when use of the Macedonian language was prohibited even in the
> privacy of the home to a people who knew Greek scarcely or not at all,
> and who in fact could not communicate properly in any other language
> but their own. [11] In 1944 Captain P.H. Evans, an agent of the
Special
> Operations Executive (SOE) who spent eight months in western Aegean
> Macedonia as a British Liaison Officer (BLO) and station commander,
> condemned the Greek policies in a lengthy report for the Foreign
> Office. He described the attitude "even of educated GREEKS towards the
> SLAV minority" as "usually stupid, uninformed and brutal to a degree
> that makes one despair of any understanding ever being created between
> the two people." However, he also left no doubt that the Greek
> government's policies had failed:
>
> It is predominantly a SLAV region not a GREEK one. The language of the
> home, and usually also of the fields, the village Street, and the
> market is MACEDONIAN, a SLAV language... The place names as given on
> the map are GREEK...; but the names which are mostly used - - - are -
-
> - all Slav names. The GREEK ones are merely a bit of varnish put on
by
> Metaxas... GREEK is regarded as almost a foreign language and the
> GREEKS are distrusted as something alien, even if not, in the full
> sense of the word, as foreigners. The obvious fact, almost too obvious
> to be stated, that the region is SLAV by nature and not GREEK cannot
be
> overemphasized.[12]
Galina Schneider
Krasimir Yalamov wrote:
Not only that, but considering the sheer volume and the poetic nature of
the translations within a very short period of time, God must have
performed the big miracle to make those Greek boys Kiril and Metodi
fluent in Macedonina overnight, neli?
Hristos Razhdajetsja!
Slavite Ego
Slavonic, the beautiful language....
Galina
June R Harton
write the following ignoring the reality of preceeding
events (which show an incredible skill in languages):
> Not only that, but considering the sheer volume and the poetic
> nature of the translations within a very short period of time,
> God must have performed the big miracle to make those Greek
> boys Kiril and Metodi fluent in Macedonina overnight, neli?
> Hristos Razhdajetsja!
> Slavite Ego
> Slavonic, the beautiful language....
you talk as a non-Orthodox filthy hypocrite and expose yourself
as a person with the morals of a unrepentant whore.... especially
when you state the language as Macedonian instead of Slavic
knowing full well that the Macedonians were Greek speaking
(ref, St Paul).
You have zero decency, you sanctimonious hypocrite! You aid in
the filthy theft of both Bulgarian and Greek heritage and history
and yet you plead innocence......you filthy evil hypocrite!
June R Harton
Kr ass, you have nothing there. The Patriarchists were Arvanite
Bulgarian Vlach and Greek speaking. They predominated in the
real area of Macedonia and identified as Hellenes.
:)
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
June R Harton
Kr ass, as usual, you have nothing there. The Patriarchists were
Krasimir Yalamov
[crap]
> WHENEVER, it occurs to you that you have anything to say,
> shut up and ask another thing to read this for you.
> Then repeat.
Voyager
A CLINICAL STUDY OF GAIL SCHNEIDER
(Galina Schneider, aka. 1000 other names
Purpose and Objectives: To examine the posts of this individual for content
as a means of determining his overall knowledge and mental health.
Background: I first began studying this individual in order to determine his
sex (male), state of origin (Virginia), and the name of the mental
institution to which he is committed and posting from (unknown). My
interest stemmed from the intellectual inconsistency of his posted responses
which ranged from being seemingly intelligent and well educated to the
otherwise disconnected ramblings of a complete moron. A scientific analysis
of his replies produced a personal profile demonstrating he had an
incredibly small brain, one with a maximum capacity of only about 3 KB of
information. This was demonstrated by the subject's inability to respond
to a post without dividing it up into it's individual parts before answering
and by the very limited responses managed, usually of only 1-2 KB of
duration. It
was conclusively demonstrated that Galina was left mentally exhausted by
responses of more than 1-2 KB of duration and that for him to try and hold a
thought of even 5 KB duration could be life threatening. It soon became
apparent that Galina had the IQ of a gerbil.
This produced the dichotomy of how to explain how such an obviously
limited and impaired intelligence could, on occasion, fool the rest of us
by appearing to be of normal intellect?
It was at this point that I realized I had met "Galina Schneider"
before.
DAVE'S CIA CASE FILE
I first met Dave ("Galina") while working on a top secret CIA
project
with my respected colleague, Dr. "X". We were assigned to
producing mind control assassins for the CIA using an offshoot program of
the now defunct MK/ULTRA. At any rate, Dave was our guinea pig for
research. There is some conflict of how he came to be assigned to our
research branch. Dr "X" had heard from Special Ops that Dave was
the product of a brain transplant with a gerbil. I had heard, via
Artichoke, that he was the result of a failed LSD experiment. Either way,
Dave's mind was a blank page. It was up to us to fill it back up and create
the perfect political assassin, one who could not be traced back to the
Agency and who would obey our orders without question.
To accomplish the latter, we had to make certain that no evidence
would be left of our tampering with Dave's mind. This would not be easy to
achieve since all manner of psychological tests and techniques would be
applied to him and it would be very difficult to hide these techniques from
him and we ran the risk of having him repeat these techniques back to the
police.
Therefore, we chose to make Dave appear insane and had him adopt the
identity of "Galina Schneider", a comic book character who is a psychologist
and
practicing lesbian. Police interrogators would conclude from questioning
him that he had developed his familiarity with psychology from reading
comics about his favorite super heroine - all of which was consistent with
his gerbil sized IQ.
Through combinations of hypnosis and LSD we eventually had Dave
ready for testing as a potential assassin. Unfortunately, those tests did
not go
well. When creating the perfect mind control assassin it must be made to
appear that the assassin acted alone. Therefore, in his transportation,
weapon acquisition, and approach to the target we cannot provide any "hands
on" help to the assassin. Dave had to perform these acts alone and he did
not do well on this tests. In 80% of the test trials, Dave became lost at
the airport and never did find the target - In fact, never found his way out
of the airport. Of the
remaining 20% of the time, we had instructed to Dave to travel to the
nearest "K-Mart" store and purchase an inexpensive handgun. On the first
try he purchased a Mattell squirtgun (but paid Smith and Wesson prices).
The second try he bought a bow and arrow and, on the third try, a set of
golf clubs.
When a handgun purchase was eventually achieved and Dave was
actually able to enter the same room as his assigned victim, additional
problems occurred. We found that there was a 67% probability that Dave
would accidentally shoot himself while attempting to kill the victim. There
was a 3% probability that he would hit someone else in the room other than
the intended target and a 30% probability that his bullets would hit a tree
branch (even when there were no tree branches in the area). Of this latter
occurrence, an amazing 100% of the time the lead core of the bullet
deflected
by the branch separated from its FMJ to hit a street curb - even when there
no street curbs in the area.
When it was noted that in 100% of all outcomes the intended target
was missed entirely, it was decided to change Dave's instructions to where
he was to shoot anyone else in the room BUT the intended target. This
increased the
chances of the intended target of being hit to about 3% and he was at least
now in some danger.
Unfortunately, before Dave could carry out an actual attack,
President Bush gave the order that we were no longer to carry out such
attacks, thereby ruining another American tradition. This, however, created
a "disposal" problem.
What to do with Dave?
The usual re-assignment of a mind control subject is that of a
courier. However, this was ruled out by the Office of Security when it was
realized that Dave was prone to getting lost at airports and could only
memorize a 1-2 KB message anyway.
This was when agent "W' over at Propaganda and Psychological
Warfare came up with the idea of using Dave to infiltrate Balkan newsgroups.
Dave, he suggested, could be used to harass and mislead researchers and
curious lurkers on the Balkan news groups who might otherwise
accidentally stumble onto our project. This was promptly agreed to and we
set about to reprogram Dave's mind into that of a Lone Nutter's.
Dave under the name "Galina Scheider" and many others like "Your friend"
''iliden", "Yer Pal", "Unohoo" etc. could disturd the n.g's of the Balkan
countrys and make Balkan's people hate each other, and most of all Dave
has to achive the rest of the Balkan nations to hate the Greeks deeply.
You have to know that there were too many pendencys in issues between
USA and Greece then, and we needed to used any kind of pressure.
At first, we thought we would program LN evidence into Dave's head
for him to recite to the targeted news group. Unfortunately, this had to
be abandoned when it was realized there was no such evidence. So we
resorted to doing the same thing Fallmerayer resorted to when he couldn't
find any evidence: We made some up. We took Falmerayers works and
tried to teach Dave (Galina) from it.
Unfortunately, this had it's problems as well. Dave
was completely incapable of putting that complete thought down on paper.
You can see this for yourself under the posts "Re: A RPESENT FOR GALINA
where Dave twice tried, in two separate posts, to make this claim. Yet both
times he failed to write a complete sentence.
Never does he ever manage to state the complete idea. He simply lacked the
required brain power to memorize the passage. We soon realized that Dave
would not be able to make arguments on the news groups based on evidence,
even made up evidence. We had to find another alternative.
It was agent "F'' over at the Spies and Weasels Division who
suggested we simply program Dave with a series of short 1-2 KB responses
that sound intelligent even if they have no real meaning. He would then
post these "sound bytes" as his answers and arguments and this was finally
agreed to by all.
Dave was programmed with the following phrases. Please feel free
to compare them with any post originating from Galina:
1) "Did you look up "perseverative personality disorder" yet?"
2) "Believe what you wish for whatever reason you wish. "
3) "No amount of disbelief establishes any fact."
4) "Try to get help on this".
5) "Are you suggesting somehow that having Turkish friends is a negative?
6) "You have nothing."
7) "You are dissembling."
8) "Your beliefs prove nothing."
9) "What is your evidence?"
10) "Got any proof?"
11) " You are illogical."
12) "You are irrational."
13) "You have Rubbish"
14) "You don't know anything"
15) "You are a Ftcogian of the FTCOG.
16) "You are a netcoward"
17) "You are a netnazi"
Of course, we realized someone might actually challenge Dave ("Galina") to a
debate and so it was necessary to arm him with some responses in order to
maintain his charade of intelligence. If asked to provide evidence for his
claims he was to reply:
"I already posted it."
If pressed to produce it:
"Look it up yourself."
And, if cornered like a rat:
"You are a liar."
(You can get an idea of the number of times Dave has been cornered simply by
counting how many times he makes the above accusation. He's into the
thousands already.).
Along with these above we programmed Dave (Galina) with direct quotys
of Fallmerayer and quotys of Slavonic and Turkish nationalists propaganda
books which are absolutely necessary for hes job.
I have long since been transferred to another division at CIA (I now make
cigarette firing umbrella guns over at Technical Services) and had forgotten
about Dave until now. Undoubtedly, he has been activated by someone.
It is possible that the Turkish goverment has bought Dave (Galina) from the
CIA since as i can see he (Dave-Galina) is supporting the extentional plans
of Turkey for a new empire from Italy to China.
I do remember a key word we used in our lab research that will set him off
though. Anyone wanting to witness this response needs only to call
"Galina's" posts exactly what they are:
Pathetic.
Just an observation.
S.L.Weiss
Krasimir Yalamov
> (Galina Schneider, aka. 1000 other names
But not 'Voyager'? Why?
> ... and make Balkan's people hate each other,
> and most of all Dave has to achieve the rest of the Balkan nations
> to hate the Greeks deeply.
:)) Mission accomplished long time ago
Perfect example for a wasteful moronic project
Aggie-Tom
[5.21.1] So the ambassadors perished by this death, both they and also their
followers. For the Persians had brought a great train with them, carriages,
and attendants, and baggage of every kind- all of which disappeared at the
same time as the men themselves. Not very long afterwards the Persians made
strict search for their lost embassy; but Alexander, with much wisdom,
hushed up the business, bribing those sent on the errand, partly with money,
and partly with the gift of his own sister Gygaea, whom he gave in marriage
to Bubares, a Persian, the chief leader of the expedition which came in
search of the lost men. Thus the death of these Persians was hushed up, and
no more was said of it.
[5.22.1] Now that the men of this family are Greeks, sprung from Perdiccas,
as they themselves affirm, is a thing which I can declare of my own
knowledge, and which I will hereafter make plainly evident. That they are so
has been already adjudged by those who manage the Pan-Hellenic contest at
Olympia. For when Alexander wished to contend in the games, and had come to
Olympia with no other view, the Greeks who were about to run against him
would have excluded him from the contest- saying that Greeks only were
allowed to contend, and not barbarians. But Alexander proved himself to be
an Argive, and was distinctly adjudged a Greek; after which he entered the
lists for the foot-race, and was drawn to run in the first pair. Thus was
this matter settled.
"Galina Schneider" <oh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Anastassios D. Retzios
Galina,
I find amazing that we are discussing this when so many things are
known for both Cyril and Methodios
Cyril had done a lot of missionary work prior the call of help by the
mangrave of Moravia. He participated in a mission to the Arabs and he
was a professor of philosophy at the patriarchal school in
Constantinople. He had worked with Methodius prior to mission to
Moravia. Methodius was an abbot, and they both particpated in a very
important mission to the Khazars around the Black Sea. This is why,
Michael III and Patriarch Photius named them to lead the mission to
Moravia.
I am not certain how well versed they were in the slavic language.
They certainly had numerous assistants and disciples, who may have
been the real linguists. I think that Methodius's disciples were, at
the end more influential than either of the two missionaries.
Since they were both born in them mid 820's, they were not exactly
very young when the led the Moravian expedition and nobody ever
claimed that they learned "slavonic" overnight, or did they?
ADR
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Somebody give them a call
Christian
"Anastassios D. Retzios" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:55:16 -0500, Galina Schneider
> <oh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Krasimir Yalamov wrote:
> >>
> >> filok...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> > Krasimir Yalamov <yal...@att.net> wrote:
> >> > > > Zivko Apostolovski wrote:
> >> > > >> > > Ilya Talev ta...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> > > >> > > > ++ wrote:
> >
> >> > >
> >> > Cyrilos was a school techer and he had study the Slavonic languages.
> >> > What is all these lies you're posting.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Apparently they were the right persons for the job, etc.
> >
> >Not only that, but considering the sheer volume and the poetic nature of
> >the translations within a very short period of time, God must have
> >performed the big miracle to make those Greek boys Kiril and Metodi
> >fluent in Macedonina overnight, neli?
> >
> >Hristos Razhdajetsja!
> >Slavite Ego
> >
> >Slavonic, the beautiful language....
>
> Galina,
>
> I find amazing that we are discussing this when so many things are
> known for both Cyril and Methodios
Discussing what, Anastasios?
>
> Cyril had done a lot of missionary work prior the call of help by the mangrave of Moravia.
yes
> He participated in a mission to the Arabs and he was a professor of philosophy at the patriarchal school in Constantinople.
yep - spoke and wrote perfect Greek one presumes
He had worked with Methodius prior to mission to
> Moravia. Methodius was an abbot, and they both particpated in a very important mission to the Khazars around the Black Sea. This is why, Michael III and Patriarch Photius named them to lead the mission to Moravia.
I would suggest that their knowledge of the language from having at
least one Macedonian parent was the primary reason for chosing them.
Obviously, Cyril's language abilities were well known.
>
> I am not certain how well versed they were in the slavic language.
Poetically, i.e. the earliest versions that came down to us translated
are so perfect, so lyrical, so word perfect that it would be impossible
to improve upon them. And their students were obviously gifted. St.
Naum composed a religious acrostic which has come down to us that is a
slavonic version of a Byzantine acrostic of its period, and as deft.
> They certainly had numerous assistants and disciples, who may have been the real linguists.
They weer obviously asisted - The corpus is too large to have been
acomplished by two persons, especially considering the travel schedules
and the periods of persecution. Methodius's torture by Germans was
contributory to his death.
I think that Methodius's disciples were, at
> the end more influential than either of the two missionaries.
>
> Since they were both born in them mid 820's, they were not exactly
> very young when the led the Moravian expedition and nobody ever
> claimed that they learned "slavonic" overnight, or did they?
They didn't have to learn slavonic overnight. They were from Salonika
and most probably grew up speaking the language.
Try to imagine, if you would, a language that structurally was quite
different than Greek. From this language you had to determine, from
your knowledge base, which words and concepts did not exist in that
language and from there determin which Greek and Aramaic words were
going to be incorporated into a language capable of expressing hte
corpus of the New and Old testaments and Apocrypha, the Church Fathers
and the Pedalion (of which we have relatively early versions and even
some in demonstrably distinct languages in, for example, the Serbian
Codes and the RUssian Codes which incorporated the same). Then you
would seek to form some neologisms from combinations of the existing
vocabulary. Imagine doing that, even in a lifetime of work and
scholarship with assistants
. There is no way it could have been accomplished without knowledge of
the language.
>
> ADR
Voyager
Just ignored him sometime guys.
After all he (she) has nothing to say.
He is just o jock.
peli...@my-deja.com
Krasimir Yalamov
> Is this jerk Valamov, the famous freak? (Gail)
>
> Just ignored him sometime guys.
> After all he (she) has nothing to say.
Why is Voyager concerned?
June R Harton
"Greek-Malakas" wrote
> 1897
> William Gladstone ...Next to the Ottoman Govt. nothing can be more
> deplorable and blameworthy then jealousies between Greek and Slav, and
> plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory.
> Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians
> and Servia for Servians. And if they are small and weak, let them bind
> themselves together for defence, so that they may not be devoured by
> others, either great and small, which would probably be the effect of
> their quarreling among themselves. The Times (London), 6th January
> 1897, p.12
> Greek-Malakas are young, silly and delusory followers of the GREATEST
> GREEK-MALAKA GURU, MEGAS-MALAKA-MARTIS!!!
Stop being stupid. It looked like Bulgaria (Russia) might gain the
real Macedonia at the time, so Gladstone said the above to forestall
that plan.
vasif@fisav
taksitzis...
the only thing he is capable of doing are copy and paste jobs.... not
forgetting of course that he is rather good in "jerking off" as
well...
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Voyager wrote in message <93darj$814$1...@usenet.otenet.gr>...
Voyager
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/turkey2/
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/6512/Violate.htm
http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/cointel2.htm
http://www.amnesty.org/
http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/chro.e.html
http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/epil.e.html
http://www.ahmp.org/1922nyt.html
http://eleni.simplenet.com/pontus/AsiaMinor/AsiaMinor.html
http://www.hellasonline.gr/mirror/hec/fhsbw/holocaust_flier.html
Voyager
You have make your self a joke and you don't even dare
to answer with any kind of serious argument.
vasif@fisav
royalist than the king himself.
Voyager
oh...@my-dej.com
"vasif@fisav" wrote:
>
> in reality Voyager is a bulgur eating bulgar. that's why he is more
> royalist than the king himself.
hmmm, it's a concept
Voyager
A CLINICAL STUDY OF GAIL SCHNEIDER
(Galina Schneider, aka. ohrid and 1000 other names
vasif@fisav
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Voyager
0U812
"vasif@fisav" <vgcl...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:saj76.29375$0x5.2...@news3.cableinet.net...
> in reality Voyager is a bulgur eating bulgar. that's why he is more
> royalist than the king himself.
Not even , he is the most idiotic poster to ever exist here
besides June . They are known to be very adept at cutting and pasting since
they have no minds of their own.
Voyager
Now the famus freak found another new name
OU812 = Gail
Voyager
aka Praskevas it's some of Gail names ?????????
Get lost you jerk, you don't even know how to hide you self.
It wasn't the first time you supported Turkish facsists.
Voyager
June R Harton
> besides June . They are known to be very adept at cutting
...nothing is acceptable except your complete capitulation, since
you can lie no longer, in light of the following:
The real Macedonia:
Paeonia - vassil principality:
Map from "Report of the International Commission To Inquire
into the Causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars" 1914.
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
Xpucmo
look at the problems in Ireland!
"Greek-Malakas" <greek_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:936ahl$vm4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> 1897
>
> William Gladstone ...Next to the Ottoman Govt. nothing can be more
> deplorable and blameworthy then jealousies between Greek and Slav, and
> plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory.
> Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians
> and Servia for Servians. And if they are small and weak, let them bind
> themselves together for defence, so that they may not be devoured by
> others, either great and small, which would probably be the effect of
> their quarreling among themselves. The Times (London), 6th January
> 1897, p.12
>
>
>
> --
> Grekos Malakismos
>
> Greek-Malakas are young, silly and delusory followers of the GREATEST
> GREEK-MALAKA GURU, MEGAS-MALAKA-MARTIS!!!
>
>
bo...@gpcomputers.co.uk
> 1897
>
> William Gladstone ...Next to the Ottoman Govt. nothing can be more
> deplorable and blameworthy then jealousies between Greek and Slav, and
> plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory.
> Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians
> and Servia for Servians. And if they are small and weak, let them bind
> themselves together for defence, so that they may not be devoured by
> others, either great and small, which would probably be the effect of
> their quarreling among themselves. The Times (London), 6th January
> 1897, p.12
>
>
>
> --
> Grekos Malakismos
>
> Greek-Malakas are young, silly and delusory followers of the GREATEST
> GREEK-MALAKA GURU, MEGAS-MALAKA-MARTIS!!!
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
OK confused !!!!
In the first Balkan War Macedonia was in it , on the Greek maps don't exist .
how is that possible !!!
and William Gladstone put a map where was Slav Macedonia .
Also It was a map what I have found from the Turkish where was Macedonia
can you please kindly explain