Ilindenskoto vostanie
Zhivko Apostolovski
G Theodore
Thank you in advance.
Graham
June R Harton
Can someone who understands Bulgarian please translate the post please.
Thank you in advance.
is the Galina refered to below :) :
>Galina is Italian for chicken. I'm a vegetarian actually, so Galina the
Chicken lady
>should stay away from moi. Your reference to me being a heathen is funny as
my brother
>was recently best-man at a Slavic-"Macedonian" wedding and all of a sudden
a filthy
>fucking PIG's head is being carried around some huge plate by some odd
looking
>character and all the Bulgar slavs then errupted with excitement.
>
>I was completely disgusted with such behaviour or custom or whatever this
was.
>
>Allah bless you all.
>(Even the confused Bulgars who consider themselves "Macedonian".)
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
Zhivko Apostolovski
G Theodore wrote in message <37A940BA...@hotmail.com>...
June R Harton
Zhivko Apostolovski wrote
The message is in literary MACEDONIAN, NOT Bulgarian.
Rubbish, COWARD!Macedonian is Greek!So it is either West Bulgarian or Bulgarian.Now, you and your Martian theory go back to where you came from!
June R Harton
Apostolovski wrote
The message is in literary MACEDONIAN, NOT Bulgarian.
While you are at it, read something which is true:
Kuzman Anastasov Shapkarev
(1834-1909) Faith and Nationality
Q: What is most sacred for man ?
A: His faith and nationality.
Q: What is your faith?
A: I am a christian.
Q: What is your nationality?
A: I am Bulgarian.
Q: Why?
A: Because my parents are Bulgarians and I speak Bulgarian.
Q: Cannot man change his faith and nationality?
A: There are such people who change their religion and nationality but they
commit the gravest sin and they are considered traitors by the world. They
are not dear to any one, everybody hates and despises them and that is why I
shall never think of such things and I shall always try to help such misled
people to find the true path.
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K Shapkarev's "Bulgarsky Boukvar" 1868, p45
[Bulgarian Primer - in the language of the Macedonian Bulgarians]
Kuzman Shapkarev was the greatest collector and publisher of ethnographic
material in Vardar Macedonia. Born in the city of Ohrid, he spent some 30
years (1855-84) as a teacher in this part of Macedonia. He published
hundreds of articles and monographs on the dialects and folklore in the
Periodic Journal of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences (Bqlgarskoto Knijovno
Drujestvo). His major work is "Sbornik ot bqlgarski narodni umotvoreniya" in
three volumes, Sofia, 1891-94.
From the
"Autobiography" (1864)
of Kouzman Shapkarev
The state of education in Macedonia
"Genealogy and life of Kouzman, the son of Tasev (Atanasov), the son of
Paskal, the son of Mihail Shapkarev from Ochrida. Mihail Shapkarev, a
Bulgarian, born in the village of Leskovets, which is at one hour's walk
east of Ochrida, in the Western part of Petrino Mountain, was the father of
two sons called Hadji Peter and Paskal. According to the usual custom of
that time, Mihail went to work in Constantinople and since he stayed a very
long time there, without visiting his family, his wife took her little
children and went on horseback to her husband in Constantinople. After
staying for a while there she returned home again. That is why she was
called later "Stamboulka".
When the end of my stay in Bitolya drew near, that is, when I finished my
studies there, I had to look for a job as a teacher. My teacher Atanasy took
the trouble to find me a job. He tried to place me in Turnovo (a small
village in the district of Bitolya) but failed. Then he tried through Georgy
Tsolev, the best friend and secret adviser of Atanasy, ie mine as well, then
through Atanasy and Yanakiev, to get an appointment for me as teacher in the
village of Neveska or some other village. Meanwhile some people from
Koukoush, of whom Stameno Petsov was one, put up at our inn once and invited
me for a teacher in Koukoush (where the spark of love for our mother
Bulgarian tongue had not been kindled yet). I am very much obliged
especially to two of my teachers - one of them Mile Skopachev, who being a
good psalm singer, taught me to sing and understand a little of
hymn-singing; while the other - Kostadin Hr. Ouzounov, was the first to
inspire me with the desire to study my native language. He gave me a Serbian
primar (because there were no Bulgarian primars in our part of the country,
and no one even thought of studying Bulgarian, while now, thank God, the
situation is quite changed), taught me to understand the letters and kindled
the first sparks of love for our language in me. God bless his soul in
heaven! That year I studied geography, mathematics, ecclesiastical history,
together with Ancon Mitanov and Vasil Dyamandiev.
During the three years of my being a teacher in Strouga two important things
in my life took place there. The first was that I introduced in school for
the first time the teaching of our native language the Bulgarian language,
which about a century (70 years) ago was in danger of disappearing
completely. The reason for this introduction was closely connected with the
late Dimiter Miladinov, of whom we shall speak more later on in this book.
This worthy man, being a teacher in Greek for many years, was naturally for
a while a supporter of the Greeks and persecutor of the Bulgarians. But
during the last years of his life (just like St. Paul) he was aware of his
delusion, in which not only all Bulgarians in Macedonia but even he himself
had fallen, and renouncing his former errors he zealously worked even to the
day of his death for the spiritual revival of the people, and the
introduction of the Bulgarian language in the Bulgarian churches and
schools, in which the Greek language was used at that time. The endeavours
of this worthy man inspired me also to introduce the Bulgarian language
which I learnt to read a little as early as 1856 in Ochrida from Kostadin
Hr. Ouzounov - in my school. But I lacked the necessary books. I received
help, however, from the same person. Because after he returned to his place
in Prilep he sent me 15 Serbian primars with church letters. Then after he
went to Koukoush he sent me a sufficient number of Bulgarian primars and
histories, published by the Archimandrite Parteny Zografsky, the present
bishop of Polyanin (Koukoush). This is the first event. And the second one
is that at the end of my second year there (Oct. 30th, 1858) I was engaged
to Elisaveta D. Miladinova, and married her five years later [Sept. 25th,
1863].
The Name Macedonians
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
LYNGOS
Zhivko Apostolovski wrote in message <7obhgf$m8g...@atbhp.corpmel.bhp.com.au>...
GS
The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
G Theodore wrote:
Can someone who understands Bulgarian please translate the post please.
Thank you in advance.
Graham
Zhivko Apostolovski wrote:
Popovod neodamneshnata proslava na Makedonskiot nacionalen praznik Ilinden i 96-godishninata od Ilindenskoto Vostanie, redno e da gi potsetime nashite istochni sosedi i nivnite sorabotuvachi (nashite Makedonski predavnici i odrodi) na glavnite (korigirani od niv) prichini za neuspehot na Vostanieto, shto ostavi dlaboki tragi vo bitieto na Makedonskiot narod. Ili so drug zbor, za bugarskite stremezhi i "zaslugi" za eventualniot neuspeh na Ilindenskoto Vostanie, so krajna cel prisvojuvanje na Makedonija. Kako shto rekov pogore, neuspehot na Ilindenskoto Vostanie ostavi dlaboki i dalekosezhni posledici vrz Makedonskiot narod, posledici koi se ochevidni i denes vo ovie forumi (anm, scb, scg i drugi) vo vid na "raskolot" megju Makedoncite i ODRODITE (bugaromani/grkomani/srbomani). Citiram od Profesor Trajanovski .....Kako rezultat na poznatata Solunska provala vo redovite na VMRO (1901), po zatvoranjeto na chlenovite na CK na Organizacijata - Pere Toshev, d-r Hristo Tatarchev (pretsedatel na CK na VMRO), Hristo Matov i drugi, chlenot na CK na VMRO Ivan Hadzhi Nikolov, koj vo momentot se naogjal na sloboda, uplashen i toj da ne bide zatvoren, moshne lekomisleno mu gi predal site tajni shifri za korespondiranje, adresite, kanalite, pechatot i slichno na Ivan Garvanov, profesor vo Solunskata egzarhiska gimnazija Sveti Kiril i Metodij i pretsedatel na Revolucionernoto Bratstvo vo Solun (osnovano vo 1897 g.), Bugarin po poteklo. Toa sekako znachelo predavanje i prezemanje na rakovodstvoto na Organizacijata na eden neregularen nachin od strana na nejzinite idejni protivnici. Na takov nachin vo redovite na Organizacijata vlegle agentite na Bugarskoto knezhevstvo, shto ostavilo dalekosezhni negativni posledici za natamoshniot od na makedonskoto osloboditelno i revolucionerno dvizhenje. Dotolku povekje shto naskoro I. Garvanov ja napushtil dotogashnata zacrtana politika na VMRO za sistematsko podgotvuvanje na revolucionerno vostanie vo Makedonija, kako metod za osloboduvanje na makedonskiot narod od povekjevekovnoto tursko-osmansko vladeenje i se orientiral kon predvremeni podgotovki i za skorashno vostanie, za da predizvika meshanje odnadvor i za da i pokazhi na svetskata javnost deka Makedonija ne mozhi da se oslobodi bez bugarska pomosh. Trgnuvajkji od tie nachela, sega vo svojstvo na privremen pretsedatel na CK na VMRO, I. Garvanov svikal kongres na Organizacijata vo Januari 1903 godina. Vo prisustvo na 17 delegati, toj umeshno uspeal da ja nametne svojata zhelba Kongresot da donese reshenie za krevanje vostanie vo Makedonija vo proletta na istata 1903 godina i pokraj protivenjeto na oddelni delegati. Potoa vo Makedonija i vo Bugarija, sred makedonskata brojna emigracija, izbiva sporot vo vrska po prashanjeto za podiganje na vostanie. Najgolem broj od makedonskite revolucioneri, koi nemale mozhnosti da uchestvuvaat vo rabotata na Solunskiot kongres, kako shto bile: Goce Delchev, Gjorche Petrov, Jane Sandanski i drugi se sprotivstavile protiv edno predvremeno i nedovolno podgotveno vostanie vo Makedonija. Tie se zastapuvale za permanentno i dobro podgotveno vostanie vo Makedonija, koga chetite na Organizacijata kje preminat vo ofanziva, za da mozhi konstantno da se napagjaat turskite edinici, drzhavnite ustanovi, zheleznicite i slichno. Megjutoa, ne uspeale da ja odlozhat odlukata za krevanje vostanie vo Makedonija..... Kako shto site znaeme, toa skapo go koshta Makedonskiot narod i zatoa VECHNO treba da im bideme "blagodarni" na nashite istochni "bratja" i nivnite sorabotuvachi, nashite predavnici, ODRODI. Zhivko
Stephan Nikolov
> Dear G Theodore,
>
> The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
>
The post is in the language recognised as the laguage of the Fprmer
Republic of Macedonia. Still there is no difficulty of Bulgarian to
anderstand this language.
SN
GS
Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
>
> > Dear G Theodore,
> >
> > The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
> >
>
> The post is in the language recognised as the laguage of the Fprmer
> Republic of Macedonia. Still there is no difficulty of Bulgarian to
> anderstand this language.
How nice. Why don't you translate it for the dude. He wants to hear
about the importance of Ilinden.
>
>
> SN
Zhivko Apostolovski
Zhivko Apostolovski <apostolovs...@bhp.com.au> wrote in message news:7oba2r$4a...@atbhp.corpmel.bhp.com.au...
June R Harton
>The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
No, the post is in a language that is properly called
West Bulgarian.
Note that our most obscene posting person, Galina,
wrote her usual rubbish.
Your best bet is to ignore Galina completely. She has an inability
to think coherently, posts false and incomplete information usually;
and has had an impaired education, wherein she cannot discern
the difference between languages and dialects etc.
She is nothing but the trouble maker that she accuses
others of being.
She is an evil person with neferious intentions and ways.
She is also a rabid liar and in league with Old Nick.
Give her a wide berth. She is NON-Orthodox.
June R Harton
>Ja si jebi majkata be srbin.
But look at the facts!:
For fair use only
From p...@nifs.ac.jp
Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:43 PM
(PM)Please read the following words of Goce Delchev, published from the
original in: P.K. Javorov, "Goce Delchev", Sofia, 1904, pp. 85-86. (there
are
editions from 1904, 1917, 1942, 1977, 1987). Here the vowel sound " ", as in
"cup" is transliterated by "y", the consonant " " as in "vision" - by "zh",
and the consonant " ", as in "tsetse fly" - by "ts". The non-sounding
letters
"y" after the consonant end of the word (by the old writing rules) are
omitted (as in contemporary writing rules in Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia and
RoM). .. Nie imame zad sebe si primera s armentsite, a pred sebe si -
izgledite,koito ni otkriva avstro-ruskoto syglashenie. Osven tova, prestypno
e da se osvobozhdava narod chrez prednamereno syzdavani pozharishta i
kasapnitsi. Inak nie shte zaprilichame na prosekyt, kojto chovyrka ranite si
i vadi gnoishta i kyrvi, za da zastavi horata da se izbavjat s edin desetak
ot zrelishteto na edna gnysotija. .. I prakticheski syobrazhenija ni nalagat
borbata s naj-goljama ekonomija na sredstva i sili. Nij ne sme sigurni, che
kato predizvikame turtsite na plen i opustoshenie, nepremenno shte
predizvikame i namesata na Velikite sili. A ne sme sigurni oshte, che dazhe
i
ako posledva edna evropejska namesa, nepremenno shte se dade i neshto, koeto
dostatychno bi opravdalo edna krajna zhertva. .. Nij trjabva da pochnem s
napadenija ot strana na chetite vyrhu askerski otdelenija i s atentati po
zhelezopytni linii, syshto i po dyrzhavni uchrezhdenija. I da prodylzhim
taka, no vsjakoga daleche ot bylgarskoto naselenie, koeto ne trjabva da
izlagame na turski presledvanija i zhestokosti. Bylgarite v Makedonija
nosjat
pochti sami vyrhu gyrba si tovara na revoljutzijata - i te sy nuzhdni, za da
se prodylzhi borbata ni dokato postignem krajnata ni tsel. .. Da se hvyrli
tsjalo Tursko v anarhija, da se razklati tsarstvoto na sultana ot osnova, da
se napravi polozhenieto netyrpimo po-natatyk... I po toja nachin, izobshto
kazano, da se zastavjat onija, koito dnes, v imeto na vsevyzmozhni interesi,
treperjat nad edno varvarsko statu-quo, da predpriemat, pak v imeto na tija
si interesi, promjana kym edna po-choveshka naredba. .. Razbira se, drugo
e,
ako bihme imali edna nova grytsko-turska, ili njakoja srybsko-turska, ili
naj-posle bylgaro-turska vojna; - obache losho bihme otplatili na Bylgarija
za mnogobrojnite nejni zhertvi podir nas, ako iskame da ja vkarame bosa v
ogynja.
(PM)Dimityr Talev, born in Prilep, has written in his book "Ilinden", what
he
had taken them from the above mentioned book of Pejo Javorov. Let us read
the
original words of Goce Delchev, which can be found in Dimityr Talev
"Ilinden", Sofia, 1983, p. 295: . Makedonija ima svoi interesi i svoja
politika, tja prinadlezhi na vsichki makedontsi; kojto kopnee, kojto raboti
da ja prisyedini kym Bylgarija ili kym Gyrtsija, toj mozhe da se misli za
dobyr bylgarin ili dobyr gryk, no ne e dobyr makedonets. Takyv bylgarin ili
gryk poddyrzha i vechnija razdor mezhdu balkanskite narodi, koito trebva da
zhivejat v bratska druzhba, za da bydat po-shtastlivi. Makedonija
prinadlezhi
na vsichki makedontsi, bez razlika na religii, natsii i ezitsi, v utreshna
svobodna Makedonija i chrez neja shte se sdruzhat vsichki balkanski narodi.
Bednijat makedonski narod ne se bori, za da smeni edni gospodari s drugi, a
se bori za svobodata na Makedonija, za svoja narodna republika. (PM)In my
humbly translation that is: Macedonia has its own interests and politics; it
belongs to all Macedonians; who desires; who works to join it to Bulgaria or
to Greece, can be regarded as a good Bulgarian or a good Greek, but he is
not
a good Macedonian. Such a Bulgarian or a Greek maintains the everlasting
struggle between the Balkan people, which ought to live in brotherhood in
order they to be happy. Macedonia belongs to all Macedonians, without
difference of religion, nation, and language, in tomorrow free Macedonia and
by it all Balkan people will be made friends. The poor Macedonian people are
not fighting in order to replace one masters with another, but they are
fighting for the liberty of Macedonia, for their people,s republic. . (PM)As
you can see Gotse Delchev regarded as Macedonians all that live in
Macedonia,
without difference of religion, nation, and language... . (PM)Remarks:
Dimityr Talev - born on 01.09.1898 in Prilep, died on 20.10.1966 in Sofia.
Graduated from the secondary school in Bitolja in 1920. Studied in Zagreb
and
Vienna (1920-21), graduated from Sofia University in 1925. Writer, chief
editor of the newspaper "Makedonija" of Ivan (Vantche) Mihajlov. From 1944
to
1948 in the communist concentration camps Bobovdol and Kutsijan. From 1948
to
1952 exciled in Lukovit. Chief works: Zheleznijat Svetilnik (Iron Lamp),
Sofia, 1952 (editions from 1952, 1955, 1957, 1960, 1964, 1966, 1968, 1969,
1972, 1984, 1985, 1987); Prespanskite Kambani (Prespa Bells), Sofia, 1954
(editions from 1954, 1956, 1957, 1960, 1964, 1966, 1968, 1985, 1987);
Ilinden, Sofia, 1953 (editions from 1953, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1964,
1966, 1983, 1985, 1987); Glasovete Vi Chuvam (I Hear Your Voices), Sofia,
1966 (editions from 1966, 1969, 1985, 1987); Hilendarskijat Monah (Hilendar
Monk), Sofia 1962 (editions from 1962, 1972); Bratjata ot Struga (Struga
Brothers), Sofia 1962 (ed. from 1962, 1972); Samuil, Sofia, 1966 (ed. from
1966, 1968, 1974, 1978, 1984, 1987). Translated (mainly his trilogy
Zheleznijat Svetilnik, Prespanskite Kambani, Ilinden) into 21 languages of
the world - English, German, French, Russian, Polish, Hungarian, Turkish,
Rumanian, Czech, Japanese, etc.
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Stephan Nikolov
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
>
>
> Stephan Nikolov wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> >
> > > Dear G Theodore,
> > >
> > > The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
> > >
> >
> > The post is in the language recognised as the laguage of the Fprmer
> > Republic of Macedonia. Still there is no difficulty of Bulgarian to
> > anderstand this language.
>
> How nice. Why don't you translate it for the dude. He wants to hear
> about the importance of Ilinden.
>
> >
> >
> > SN
Takes time. the posting is too long and there is nothing so important for
me to be translated.
SN
GS
Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear G Theodore,
> > > >
> > > > The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
> > > >
> > >
Stephan Nikolov
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
>
>
> Stephan Nikolov wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear G Theodore,
> > > > >
> > > > > The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
> > > > >
> > > >
GS
Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> ?????
>
> On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear G Theodore,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
> > > > > >
> > > > >
Stephan Nikolov
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> I was going to translate it, then changed my mind.
>
In fact I started. Then just decided it was not worth the effort.
SN
Here is the first part (very rough translation).
> Zhivko Apostolovski wrote:
>
> > Po povod neodamneshnata proslava na Makedonskiot nacionalen praznik
> > Ilinden i 96-godishninata od Ilindenskoto Vostanie, redno e da gi
> > potsetime nashite istochni sosedi i nivnite sorabotuvachi (nashite
> > Makedonski predavnici i odrodi) na glavnite (korigirani od niv)
> > prichini za neuspehot na Vostanieto, shto ostavi dlaboki tragi vo
> > bitieto na Makedonskiot narod.
For the recent celebration of the Macedonian national day "Ilinden (St
Ilya's day) and the 96 years from the Ilinden uprising, is is suitable to
remind our eastern neighbours and their collabarators (our Macedonan
taitors and ethnic degenerates) for the chief (altered by them) reasons
for the failure of the Uprising. This failure left deep inprints in the
conscience of the Macedonian people.
Ili so drug zbor, za bugarskite
> > stremezhi i "zaslugi" za eventualniot neuspeh na Ilindenskoto
> > Vostanie, so krajna cel prisvojuvanje na Makedonija. Kako shto rekov
> > pogore, neuspehot na Ilindenskoto Vostanie ostavi dlaboki i
> > dalekosezhni posledici vrz Makedonskiot narod, posledici koi se
> > ochevidni i denes vo ovie forumi (anm, scb, scg i drugi) vo vid na
> > "raskolot" megju Makedoncite i ODRODITE
> > (bugaromani/grkomani/srbomani).
In other words, [I'll speak] about the Bulgarian goals for annexation
of Macedonia and the "contributions" for the failure of the Ilinden
uprising. As I said above, the failure of the uprising left deep inprints
on the Macedonian people, and the consequences are visible even now in
these groups (anm, scb, and others) in the shape of a "strife" between the
Macedonians and the ETHNIC DEGENERATES
(bulgariamans/Helleniphiles/Srbomans).
Citiram od Profesor
> > Trajanovski .....Kako rezultat na poznatata Solunska provala vo
> > redovite na VMRO (1901), po zatvoranjeto na chlenovite na CK na
> > Organizacijata - Pere Toshev, d-r Hristo Tatarchev (pretsedatel na CK
> > na VMRO), Hristo Matov i drugi, chlenot na CK na VMRO Ivan Hadzhi
> > Nikolov, koj vo momentot se naogjal na sloboda, uplashen i toj da ne
> > bide zatvoren, moshne lekomisleno mu gi predal site tajni shifri za
> > korespondiranje, adresite, kanalite, pechatot i slichno na Ivan
> > Garvanov, profesor vo Solunskata egzarhiska gimnazija Sveti Kiril i
> > Metodij i pretsedatel na Revolucionernoto Bratstvo vo Solun (osnovano
> > vo 1897 g.), Bugarin po poteklo.
I quote after Prof Trajanovski .... As result of the well known Salonica
failure of IMRO (1901), after the inprisonment of the members of the
Central Committee of the organisation -- Pere Toshev, d-r Hristo Tatarchev
(Chair of CK of IMRO), Hristo Matov and others, the member of CK of IMRO
Ivan Hadzhi Nikolov, who was free at this moment, beingt scared that he
might also get to jail, might have given all the secret codes for
correspondence, addresses, seals, etc. to the Bulgarian Ivan Garvanov,
professor in the Exarchist High School in Salonica "SS Cyril and
Methodius" (founded 1897).
> Stephan Nikolov wrote:
>
> > ?????
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, GS wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear G Theodore,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
June R Harton
Just more of their revisionism and stupid propaganda.
Descendant of Alexander
G Theodore <levi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:37A940BA...@hotmail.com...
Descendant of Alexander
June R Harton <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:7obivq$1njs$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...Zhivko Apostolovski wrote
The message is in literary MACEDONIAN, NOT Bulgarian.
Rubbish, COWARD!Macedonian is Greek!So it is either West Bulgarian or Bulgarian.
We are Macedonians, We are not Serbs, We are not Bulgars, We are not Greeks, We are not Albanians, We are Macedonians.
so therefore it is writen in Macedonian
Now, you and your Martian theory go back to where you came from!
You come from Mars. Wow. and people said that there is no life on Mars. but still it is disapointing, there is life on Mars, but not intelegent life. oh well, beter something than nothing.
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Macedonian
Descendant of Alexander
June R Harton <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:7objes$3eko$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
Too long again. from the part that i read i can tell you that either 1) his parents came from bulgaria, 2)he was a bugarophil, or 3) he was a very confused man."Always remember you're unique... Just like everyone else."
Descendant of Alexander
> GS wrote
> >The post is in Macedonian, not Bulgarian
>
>
> West Bulgarian.
>
> Note that our most obscene posting person, Galina,
> wrote her usual rubbish.
>
> Your best bet is to ignore Galina completely. She has an inability
> to think coherently, posts false and incomplete information usually;
> and has had an impaired education, wherein she cannot discern
> the difference between languages and dialects etc.
>
> She is nothing but the trouble maker that she accuses
> others of being.
>
> She is an evil person with neferious intentions and ways.
>
> She is also a rabid liar and in league with Old Nick.
>
> Give her a wide berth. She is NON-Orthodox.
>
>
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
> ........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
>
>
No, the post is in a language called Macedonian, maybe you heard of it maybe
not, your problem.
That is a lot of unjusteful insults right there. and i do belive that is
against OUR religion to say that somebody is
non-orthodox, because it is considered an insult on the religion.
a little religios joke on the side. those of you living in the us or canada
probably know what i'm talking about:
"Jesus saves... but Moses grabs the rebound... he shoots... HE
SCORES!!!!!!!"
June R Harton
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
Deceitful One wrote I don't understand bulgarian,
June R Harton
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
D/O wrote
June R Harton
He is mistaken, but has at least the time to grow
out of it.
Stephan Nikolov
> I don't understand bulgarian, but you are in luck since this is
writen in Macedonian and that i understand.
if you want me to translate this for you just ask bro.
Poor boy!!!
How come that Bulgarians understand with no difficulty the
official language of RoM?
How come that even Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski and Galina
understand Bulgarian but you don't.
This evidently comes to prove that you are indeed a descendand of
Alexander and as such -- a valuable specimen for the scholarship.
Please speak and write in the language of your ancestor Alexander.
This way you will help us all to determine all those arguable issues of
Illyrian, Thracian and Greek elements if ancient Macedonian.
SN
Ilya Talev
> Poor boy!!!
> How come that Bulgarians understand with no difficulty the
> official language of RoM?
> How come that even Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski
> and Galina understand Bulgarian but you don't.
Well, Galina Sneider is a very special case: she is a genius!
She understands whatever she wants, just like her mother country,
Russia, used to have as a neighbor whatever country she wanted.
At least Galina does not claim to have Alexander's genes in her
blood. This is Slavko's specialty, he even wote to the United
Nations about his GENES ( I kid you not!)
As for the rest of the crowd, there was a clown, Zoran Mitrovski,
who also claimed that he couldn't understand a word of Bulgarian.
Then, one day, out of boredom, I visited his Webpage. Nice pictires,
great Curriculum Vitae, even scientific bibliography. And at the very
end - a small list of languages he knows:
Macedonian - native
Bulgarian - near native
English - excellent
etc.
So, this is how the world turns in the land of Cle(patra) and Acko
(a/ka Alexander of Macedon, son of Philip, Slavko's grandpa).
IT
Stephan Nikolov wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> > I don't understand bulgarian, but you are in luck since this is
> writen in Macedonian and that i understand.
> if you want me to translate this for you just ask bro.
>
Descendant of Alexander
June R Harton <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:7ogpb6$2na0$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
Well, you, apparantly, can't read very well, so try again.
from: Spirit Of The Real Greek
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always MacedonianD/O wrote
Descendant of Alexander
June R Harton <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:7ogpb6$2na0$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...Well, you, apparantly, can't read very well, so try again.
from: Spirit Of The Real Greek
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always MacedonianD/O wrote
Descendant of Alexander
> Thanks Stephen,
>
> Just more of their revisionism and stupid propaganda.
>
>
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
the only stupid things that i could find were your posts, now stop spreading
that propaganda.
Descendant of Alexander
> D/O wrote Galina is not non-Orthodox.
>
> He is mistaken, but has at least the time to grow
> out of it.
>
>
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
> ........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
>
i believe that everybody who believes in our lord, Jesus Christ, is orthodox
(not in the sense of which religion, but the faithfulness in our lord)
p.s. try to go to church every now and than, and enlighten yourself.
Descendant of Alexander
Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.95.990807...@sable.ox.ac.uk...
> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> writen in Macedonian and that i understand.
> if you want me to translate this for you just ask bro.
>
>
> How come that Bulgarians understand with no difficulty the
> official language of RoM?
> How come that even Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski and Galina
> understand Bulgarian but you don't.
> This evidently comes to prove that you are indeed a descendand of
> Alexander and as such -- a valuable specimen for the scholarship.
>
> Please speak and write in the language of your ancestor Alexander.
> This way you will help us all to determine all those arguable issues of
> Illyrian, Thracian and Greek elements if ancient Macedonian.
>
> SN
some recognition, that is always nice to hear, for I am one of the
Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski
and Galina, for we are Macedonians. it is possible that they know bulgarian
but that would only prove that they are smarter, speakin two languages,
Macedonian ( their mother language ) and a foreign language. and i shall
continue speaking and writing my language, the true Macedonian language. by
the way, the only
Illyrian, Thracian and Greek elements in ancient Macedonian are those
brought by Alexander the Great when he conquered them.
Descendant of Alexander
Ilya Talev <ta...@ibm.net> wrote in message
news:37AC1897...@ibm.net...
> Stephan Nikolov wrote:
>
> > Poor boy!!!
> > How come that Bulgarians understand with no difficulty the
> > official language of RoM?
> > How come that even Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski
> > and Galina understand Bulgarian but you don't.
>
>
> She understands whatever she wants, just like her mother country,
> Russia, used to have as a neighbor whatever country she wanted.
> At least Galina does not claim to have Alexander's genes in her
> blood. This is Slavko's specialty, he even wote to the United
> Nations about his GENES ( I kid you not!)
>
> As for the rest of the crowd, there was a clown, Zoran Mitrovski,
> who also claimed that he couldn't understand a word of Bulgarian.
> Then, one day, out of boredom, I visited his Webpage. Nice pictires,
> great Curriculum Vitae, even scientific bibliography. And at the very
> end - a small list of languages he knows:
> Macedonian - native
> Bulgarian - near native
> English - excellent
> etc.
>
> So, this is how the world turns in the land of Cle(patra) and Acko
> (a/ka Alexander of Macedon, son of Philip, Slavko's grandpa).
>
> IT
>
>
> Stephan Nikolov wrote:
>
> >
> > writen in Macedonian and that i understand.
> > if you want me to translate this for you just ask bro.
> >
> > How come that Bulgarians understand with no difficulty the
> > official language of RoM?
> > How come that even Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski and Galina
> > understand Bulgarian but you don't.
> > This evidently comes to prove that you are indeed a descendand of
> > Alexander and as such -- a valuable specimen for the scholarship.
> >
> > Please speak and write in the language of your ancestor Alexander.
> > This way you will help us all to determine all those arguable issues of
> > Illyrian, Thracian and Greek elements if ancient Macedonian.
> >
> > SN
Like i said in a couple of posts above, there is nothing wrong with speaking
a second language, it only makes you smarter.
i speak a couple of different languages, some fully some partialy. i can
tell you that even though i don't speak it fully or even nicely i still
speak some bulgarian. in fact i got neighbors who don't speak any english
and whenever i have to talk to them i try and speak bulgarian. here are some
examples of the languages that i know, fully or partialy:
vivez dans globale la paix
vivere totale nella pace
viva en total paz
this sentances say: live in total peace (can also be translated as: live in
global peace) which is my wish to you.
Stephan Nikolov
> some recognition, that is always nice to hear, for I am one of the
> Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski
> and Galina, for we are Macedonians. it is possible that they know bulgarian
> but that would only prove that they are smarter, speakin two languages,
> Macedonian ( their mother language ) and a foreign language.
It seems then that 7.5 mln Bulgarians are bilingual. Puting together all
the minorities with their mother tongue tha whole nation is at least
bylingual.
How interesting. I seems that the number of people who think they might
talk to Alexander in his mother tongue (which should have been Illyrian,
no doubt, for his mother was Illyrian) increases every moment.
and i shall
> continue speaking and writing my language, the true Macedonian language. by
> the way, the only
> Illyrian, Thracian and Greek elements in ancient Macedonian are those
> brought by Alexander the Great when he conquered them.
>
One might wonder what was the education system in that country.....So many
capable linguists. Regrettably, the world does not know anything of them
.... Such a waist of tallent, indeed.
I am wondering . Do you have some Baktrian genes as well, for I hear that
Alexander was married a Baktrian princess.
SN
Stephan Nikolov
> some recognition, that is always nice to hear, for I am one of the
> Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski
> and Galina, for we are Macedonians.
You are in good hands!!! Go ahead! I wonder if you also believe, like
Apostlovski, that Bl. Ristovski, was eminent opponent to the communist
power and notable dicident from the past?
SN
Stephan Nikolov
>
> Like i said in a couple of posts above, there is nothing wrong with speaking
> a second language, it only makes you smarter.
> i speak a couple of different languages, some fully some partialy. i can
> tell you that even though i don't speak it fully or even nicely i still
> speak some bulgarian. in fact i got neighbors who don't speak any english
> and whenever i have to talk to them i try and speak bulgarian.
No doubt, this is the sole reason. How do you manage to combine your
compassionate love in Christ with ...errrr... interpretationjs like the
one above?
SN
Ilya Talev
Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> ...for I am one of the
> Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski
> and Galina, for we are Macedonians.
Especially Galina Sneider: she has a direct genetic link with Cleopatra of
Egypt - going thru the Tartars of Volga - and ending up in South Russia.
Which is not much different from Slavko's genes: after all, his MOTHER
is from Pleven, a famous Macedonian town in Bulgarian-occupied
Gorna Zemja ("The Upper Land", or as the Romans used to call it Moesia
Superior). And I bet Zhivko's Macedonian genes have travelled extensively too.
IT
Ilya Talev
Kaiser Soze wrote:
> Mr. Talev do you know for a fact, that Slavko Mangovski's mother IS
> from Pleven? If you're only joking, please ignore my question.
> If it's true, then...well...well...! What more can I say...!
> Thank You!
>
> Kaiser Soze
Well. I haven't seen her Birth Certificate!
Slavko kaza sam, che bila ot Pleven, kogato njakoj
mu napomni zatova (negovijat Bylgarski e syvyrshen,
mezhdu drugoto). Kogato az mu napomnih za tova
sled negovoto famozno pismo do UN za Makedonskite
mu geni, toj nikak ne otreche, no dopylnbi, che genite
na bashta mu bili MNOGO po vazhni, ot genite na
majka mu. Syshto taka si spomnjam, che v edin
spor za "majchinija ezik" pak bjah pisal, che samo
bylgarski mozhe da majchin ezik na Slavko, shtom kato
majka mu e plevnalijka. Toj obache otgovori, che
majka mu mu e govorela samo na naj-literaturen
"jazik" izmislen ot Blazhe Koneski.
Kato imam pred vid vsichko tova, njama osnovanija
da se symnjavam, che majka mu e chista makedonka
ot okupiranite on bugarite makedonski grad Pleven.
IT
>
>
> In article <37AC88CD...@ibm.net>,
> Ilya Talev <ta...@ibm.net> wrote
> --
> (~<><>~)
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Kaiser Soze
Mr. Talev do you know for a fact, that Slavko Mangovski's mother IS
from Pleven? If you're only joking, please ignore my question.
If it's true, then...well...well...! What more can I say...!
Thank You!
Kaiser Soze
June R Harton
Kaiser wrote
>Mr. Talev do you know for a fact, that Slavko Mangovski's mother IS
>from Pleven?
If your asking whether Slavko is half Bulgarian
and half West Bulgarian, yes it is true.
She must be totally ashamed of him.
He is literal filth, but be careful, Galina runs a close
third. (Nicholov is 2nd).
June R Harton
Stop wasting everybodies time with such stupid lies.
You are even 'too busy' to read the truth,
so don't presume to tell us about the vipers that we
have studied minutely and know to be some of the
worst vermin on the planet.
As far as "Macedonian", this is where it puts you:
P Gevgeliev wrote in "Skopje revives macedonian spectre", Free
Bulgaria,pp229-230,
It is true that we have given up the teaching of "Macedonian history", a
high falutin term for the ravings of a handful of maniacs in Skopje who are
so far gone in their nationalistic dementia and mental aberration as to
claim that the present "Macedonian" people are descendants of
Alexander the Great.
These "historians" seem to overlook the fact that the Slav tribes came to
this territory fully a thousand years after the death of Alexander the
Macedon."
Kaiser Soze
Gospodin Talev, blagodaraja za otgovora!
Nikoga ne sym dopuskal, che... govedoto... mozhe da e Bylgarsko....!
Koeto pyk, otnovo dokazva blestjashtata teorema, che ako Makedonets se
izkype v Cherno more, shte izleze chist Bulgarin!
He!He!
Znachi, genite na bashta mu bili po-vazhni...taka li? Bi trybvalo da mu
se kazhe, che nyakoj religiozni krygove v Izrael, ne te priznavat za
kryven brat, ako majka ti ne e evrejka! I mnogo pravilno... bih
dobavil...! Majkata e vinagi "poznata", dokato bashta mozhe da byde
vseki..! (Nedaj bozhe!)
Ta, mislja si, che i Slavko trebva da merim po syshtija visiok, no i
mnogo spravedliv arshin!
Nazdrave!
Kaiser
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In article <37ACFB41...@ibm.net>,
Ilya Talev <ta...@ibm.net> wrote:
>
>
> Kaiser Soze wrote:
>
> > Mr. Talev do you know for a fact, that Slavko Mangovski's mother IS
> > from Pleven? If you're only joking, please ignore my question.
> > If it's true, then...well...well...! What more can I say...!
> > Thank You!
> >
> > Kaiser Soze
>
> Well. I haven't seen her Birth Certificate!
>
> Slavko kaza sam, che bila ot Pleven, kogato njakoj
> mu napomni zatova (negovijat Bylgarski e syvyrshen,
> mezhdu drugoto). Kogato az mu napomnih za tova
> sled negovoto famozno pismo do UN za Makedonskite
> mu geni, toj nikak ne otreche, no dopylnbi, che genite
> na bashta mu bili MNOGO po vazhni, ot genite na
> majka mu. Syshto taka si spomnjam, che v edin
> spor za "majchinija ezik" pak bjah pisal, che samo
> bylgarski mozhe da majchin ezik na Slavko, shtom kato
> majka mu e plevnalijka. Toj obache otgovori, che
> majka mu mu e govorela samo na naj-literaturen
> "jazik" izmislen ot Blazhe Koneski.
>
> Kato imam pred vid vsichko tova, njama osnovanija
> da se symnjavam, che majka mu e chista makedonka
> ot okupiranite on bugarite makedonski grad Pleven.
>
> IT
>
> >
> >
Kaiser Soze
Dear June!
There's an old saying: If a Macedonian takes a dip into the Black Sea,
out of it it'll emerge a pure Bulgarian..! :)
Kaiser Soze
(~<><>~)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In article <7ojh3b$17j4$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>,
"June R Harton" <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Kaiser wrote
> >Mr. Talev do you know for a fact, that Slavko Mangovski's mother IS
> >from Pleven?
>
> If your asking whether Slavko is half Bulgarian
> and half West Bulgarian, yes it is true.
>
> She must be totally ashamed of him.
>
> He is literal filth, but be careful, Galina runs a close
> third. (Nicholov is 2nd).
>
> from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
> ........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
>
>
--
Kaiser Soze
There's a saying: "If a Macedonian takes a dip into the Black Sea, from
there will emerge a pure Bulgarian!"
Again and again this proves to be true..!
Kaiser Soze!
June R Harton
>There's a saying: "If a Macedonian takes a dip into the Black Sea, from
>there will emerge a pure Bulgarian!"
>Again and again this proves to be true..!
:))))))))
So we have a simple solution to all this.
That bananahead travel agent Slavko can even make some money
out of it!
June R Harton
in this thread.
:)
June R Harton
Kaiser wrote
>Mr. Talev do you know for a fact, that Slavko Mangovski's mother IS
>from Pleven?
If your asking whether Slavko is half Bulgarian
and half West Bulgarian, yes it is true.
She must be totally ashamed of him.
He is literal filth, but be careful, Galina runs a close
third. (Bill Nicholov is 2nd).
GS
Ilya Talev wrote:
> Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> > ...for I am one of the
> > Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko Apostolovski
> > and Galina, for we are Macedonians.
>
> Especially Galina Sneider: she has a direct genetic link with Cleopatra of
> Egypt - going thru the Tartars of Volga - and ending up in South Russia.
> Which is not much different from Slavko's genes: after all, his MOTHER
> is from Pleven, a famous Macedonian town in Bulgarian-occupied
> Gorna Zemja ("The Upper Land", or as the Romans used to call it Moesia
> Superior). And I bet Zhivko's Macedonian genes have travelled extensively too.
>
> IT
Well, you know I am not Russian but Slavko's mama was Bulgarian sure enough.
Nema zoshto,
Galina
Ilya Talev
GS wrote:
>
> Well, you know I am not Russian but Slavko's mama was Bulgarian sure enough.
You better fess up now, or you will look like St. Peter
by the time the rooster crowed.
IT
Descendant of Alexander
June R Harton <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:7ogovu$54mq$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...Go ahead and give us a full translation.
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
Deceitful One wrote I don't understand bulgarian,
Descendant of Alexander
Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.95.990807...@sable.ox.ac.uk...
>
> >
> > Like i said in a couple of posts above, there is nothing wrong with
speaking
> > a second language, it only makes you smarter.
> > i speak a couple of different languages, some fully some partialy. i can
> > tell you that even though i don't speak it fully or even nicely i still
> > speak some bulgarian. in fact i got neighbors who don't speak any
english
> > and whenever i have to talk to them i try and speak bulgarian.
>
>
> No doubt, this is the sole reason. How do you manage to combine your
> compassionate love in Christ with ...errrr... interpretationjs like the
> one above?
>
> SN
i'm sorry, i don't understand your post, please explain. what does my love
for our Lord have anything do to with what languages i speak, and to whom i
speak.
Descendant of Alexander
> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> > Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko
Apostolovski
bulgarian
> > but that would only prove that they are smarter, speakin two languages,
> > Macedonian ( their mother language ) and a foreign language.
>
> It seems then that 7.5 mln Bulgarians are bilingual. Puting together all
> the minorities with their mother tongue tha whole nation is at least
> bylingual.
better is for you.
oh, and you must be refearing to the Macedonian minority in the part of
Macedonia that bulgaria occupies.
> How interesting. I seems that the number of people who think they might
> talk to Alexander in his mother tongue (which should have been Illyrian,
> no doubt, for his mother was Illyrian) increases every moment.
of course you know that mother tongue doesn't mean the language of the
mother, but the language of his mother country, Macedonia.
> and i shall
> > continue speaking and writing my language, the true Macedonian language.
by
> > the way, the only
> > Illyrian, Thracian and Greek elements in ancient Macedonian are those
> > brought by Alexander the Great when he conquered them.
> >
>
> One might wonder what was the education system in that country.....So many
> capable linguists. Regrettably, the world does not know anything of them
> .... Such a waist of tallent, indeed.
if you understood that Macedonians speak the Illyrian, Thracian, and Greek
language, then you miss understood me. i said the Illyrian, Thracian and
Greek elements such as parts of their cultures and so on.
> I am wondering . Do you have some Baktrian genes as well, for I hear that
> Alexander was married a Baktrian princess.
>
> SN
>
>
>
>
no baktrian genes only pure Macedonian.
Descendant of Alexander
Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.95.99080...@sable.ox.ac.uk...
> On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> > some recognition, that is always nice to hear, for I am one of the
> > Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko
Apostolovski
> > and Galina, for we are Macedonians.
>
>
>
> Apostlovski, that Bl. Ristovski, was eminent opponent to the communist
> power and notable dicident from the past?
>
> SN
>
Descendant of Alexander
GS <sp...@erols.com> wrote in message news:37AE4AD1...@erols.com...
>
>
> Ilya Talev wrote:
>
> > Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> >
> > > Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko
Apostolovski
> > > and Galina, for we are Macedonians.
> >
of
> > Egypt - going thru the Tartars of Volga - and ending up in South Russia.
> > Which is not much different from Slavko's genes: after all, his MOTHER
> > is from Pleven, a famous Macedonian town in Bulgarian-occupied
> > Gorna Zemja ("The Upper Land", or as the Romans used to call it Moesia
> > Superior). And I bet Zhivko's Macedonian genes have travelled
extensively too.
> >
> > IT
>
enough.
>
>
> Galina
>
was his mother from the Macedonian part of bulgaria or the rest of it? how
about his father?
you are Macedonian right? i'm starting to get confused who is who here, and
plus i'm relatively new to this group.
Descendant of Alexander
> D/O wrote rubbish.
>
> Stop wasting everybodies time with such stupid lies.
>
> You are even 'too busy' to read the truth,
> so don't presume to tell us about the vipers that we
> have studied minutely and know to be some of the
> worst vermin on the planet.
>
> As far as "Macedonian", this is where it puts you:
>
>
> P Gevgeliev wrote in "Skopje revives macedonian spectre", Free
> Bulgaria,pp229-230,
> It is true that we have given up the teaching of "Macedonian history", a
> high falutin term for the ravings of a handful of maniacs in Skopje who
are
> so far gone in their nationalistic dementia and mental aberration as to
> claim that the present "Macedonian" people are descendants of
> Alexander the Great.
> These "historians" seem to overlook the fact that the Slav tribes came to
> this territory fully a thousand years after the death of Alexander the
> Macedon."
>
>
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
>
what can i say, my job keeps me very busy, for that i appreciate short, to
the point posts. i don't try to avoid anything, if you have something that
you want me to look at please post it, but keep it short and to the point.
and about your post now, i think i answered it once, but maybe i'm mistaken,
so here is the answer:
the guy is either a bulgar or a bulgarophil (all bulgarophils will burn in
hell for betrayal to their country).
since you are the only greek that appreciates my jokes here is one, and let
me remind the rest of the people that these are only jokes:
"5 days a week my body is a temple. The other 2, it's a frickin' amusement
park!"
Descendant of Alexander
Miros Pimenakis <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message
news:37AD7550...@stsnet.gr...> > news:Pine.OSF.3.95.990807...@sable.ox.ac.uk...
> > > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> > >
> > > writen in Macedonian and that i understand.
> > > if you want me to translate this for you just ask bro.
> > >
> > >
> > > How come that Bulgarians understand with no difficulty the
> > > official language of RoM?
> > > understand Bulgarian but you don't.
> > > This evidently comes to prove that you are indeed a descendand of
> > > Alexander and as such -- a valuable specimen for the scholarship.
> > >
> > > Please speak and write in the language of your ancestor Alexander.
> > > This way you will help us all to determine all those arguable issues
of
> > >
> > > SN
> >
> > some recognition, that is always nice to hear, for I am one of the
> > Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko
Apostolovski
bulgarian
> > but that would only prove that they are smarter, speakin two languages,
> > continue speaking and writing my language, the true Macedonian language.
by
> > the way, the only
> > Illyrian, Thracian and Greek elements in ancient Macedonian are those
> > brought by Alexander the Great when he conquered them.
>
>
> MSP.
>
>
>
i'm awake. what's up.
Descendant of Alexander
Miros Pimenakis <mi...@stsnet.gr> wrote in message news:37AD3E01...@stsnet.gr...
Descendant of Alexander wrote:
I don't understand bulgarian, but you are in luck since this is writen in Macedonian and that i understand. if you want me to translate this for you just ask bro.
Bad luck again. My bulgarian friend living next door had translated it to me.
Another proof how "Macedonian" your language is.MSP
Macedonian language it's different than bulgarian. they are similar as much as polish is similar to russian (have polish and russian friends, know what their languages are like), does this mean that there is no polish or no russian language.
June R Harton
>Stephan Nikolov wrote
>> How interesting. I seems that the number of people who think they might
>> talk to Alexander in his mother tongue (which should have been Illyrian,
>> no doubt, for his mother was Illyrian)
Greek Epirote, if you please!
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
Stephan Nikolov
On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Kaiser Soze wrote:
>
>
> Gospodin Talev, blagodaraja za otgovora!
> Nikoga ne sym dopuskal, che... govedoto... mozhe da e Bylgarsko....!
> Koeto pyk, otnovo dokazva blestjashtata teorema, che ako Makedonets se
> izkype v Cherno more, shte izleze chist Bulgarin!
> He!He!
>
> Znachi, genite na bashta mu bili po-vazhni...taka li? Bi trybvalo da mu
> se kazhe, che nyakoj religiozni krygove v Izrael, ne te priznavat za
> kryven brat, ako majka ti ne e evrejka! I mnogo pravilno... bih
> dobavil...! Majkata e vinagi "poznata", dokato bashta mozhe da byde
> vseki..! (Nedaj bozhe!)
>
> Ta, mislja si, che i Slavko trebva da merim po syshtija visiok, no i
> mnogo spravedliv arshin!
>
> Nazdrave!
>
> Kaiser
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Za Vas ne znam, na men Slavko nikakyv brat ne mi e, kakto i podobnite
nemu (vie gi znete of big-blue).
SN.
June R Harton
>i'm relatively new
It is quite apparent.
GS
Ilya Talev wrote:
> GS wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, you know I am not Russian but Slavko's mama was Bulgarian sure enough.
>
> You better fess up now, or you will look like St. Peter
> by the time the rooster crowed.
>
> IT
Not Russian. Guess again.
GS
Slavko's mama was just Bulgarian, he said once, not Pirin Bulgarian as far as I
know. Nothing wrong with Bulgarians. They are great people.
Galina
Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> GS <sp...@erols.com> wrote in message news:37AE4AD1...@erols.com...
> >
> >
> > Ilya Talev wrote:
> >
> > > Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> > >
> > > > ...for I am one of the
> > > > Descendants of Alexander, but so are Slavko Mangovski, Zhivko
> Apostolovski
> > > > and Galina, for we are Macedonians.
> > >
> > > Especially Galina Sneider: she has a direct genetic link with Cleopatra
> of
> > > Egypt - going thru the Tartars of Volga - and ending up in South Russia.
> > > Which is not much different from Slavko's genes: after all, his MOTHER
> > > is from Pleven, a famous Macedonian town in Bulgarian-occupied
> > > Gorna Zemja ("The Upper Land", or as the Romans used to call it Moesia
> > > Superior). And I bet Zhivko's Macedonian genes have travelled
> extensively too.
> > >
> > > IT
> >
> > Well, you know I am not Russian but Slavko's mama was Bulgarian sure
> enough.
> >
GS
The Junebug would like to be a Greek but....alas....is not. Neither is the
Junebug a Bugaroman, etc. Just yer simple Philhellene, the kind that reads
Penguin classics and gets all steamy and confused.
Galina
Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> June R Harton <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:7ojhp9$11ii$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
> > D/O wrote rubbish.
> >
> > Stop wasting everybodies time with such stupid lies.
> >
> > You are even 'too busy' to read the truth,
> > so don't presume to tell us about the vipers that we
> > have studied minutely and know to be some of the
> > worst vermin on the planet.
> >
> > As far as "Macedonian", this is where it puts you:
> >
> >
> > P Gevgeliev wrote in "Skopje revives macedonian spectre", Free
> > Bulgaria,pp229-230,
> > It is true that we have given up the teaching of "Macedonian history", a
> > high falutin term for the ravings of a handful of maniacs in Skopje who
> are
> > so far gone in their nationalistic dementia and mental aberration as to
> > claim that the present "Macedonian" people are descendants of
> > Alexander the Great.
> > These "historians" seem to overlook the fact that the Slav tribes came to
> > this territory fully a thousand years after the death of Alexander the
> > Macedon."
> >
> >
> > from: Spirit Of The Real Wannabe Makedon
> > (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
> >
bob
Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> writes
>No doubt, this is the sole reason. How do you manage to combine your
>compassionate love in Christ with ...errrr... interpretationjs like the
>one above?
and elucidate.
--
bob
June R Harton
GS wrote
>The Junebug would like to be a Greek but....alas....is not. Neither is the
>Junebug a Bugaroman, etc. Just yer simple Philhellene,
Shut your lying mouth, you crazed Russian heretic!
>the kind that reads
>Penguin classics and gets all steamy and confused.
As for that stupid statement lets tell the truth for once
Galina:
Note that our most obscene posting person, Galina,
wrote her usual rubbish.
Your best bet is to ignore Galina completely. She has an inability
to think coherently, posts false and incomplete information usually;
and has had an impaired education, wherein she cannot discern
the difference between languages and dialects etc.
She is nothing but the trouble maker that she accuses
others of being.
She is an evil person with nefarious intentions and ways.
She is also a rabid liar and in league with Old Nick.
Give her a wide berth. She is NON-Orthodox.
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
June R Harton
bob wrote in message ...
>I do not understand the point you are trying to make here.
>Please expand and elucidate.
He is saying that the previous poster was lying through his teeth
and misleading the unwary, yet he poses being Christian.
Stephan Nikolov
On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, bob wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.990807...@sable.ox.ac.uk>,
> Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> writes
> >No doubt, this is the sole reason. How do you manage to combine your
> >compassionate love in Christ with ...errrr... interpretationjs like the
> >one above?
> I do not understand the point you are trying to make here. Please expand
> and elucidate.
> --
> bob
He claims that he is true Christian, therefore, he should not lie. Then he
claims that the Slavic population from Macedonia does not understand a
word Bulgarian.
For reference, go to the macedonian forums on big blue and you will se:
Bulgarians and Macedonians (from FYRoM) argue and swear each other without
any hesitation. And the both sides uderstand quite clearly what the
other is saying.
SN
bob
<one_kai...@my-deja.com> writes
>There's an old saying: If a Macedonian takes a dip into the Black Sea,
>out of it it'll emerge a pure Bulgarian..! :)
difference between a duck - one leg is both the same."
--
bob
Descendant of Alexander
>
> bob wrote in message ...
> >Please expand and elucidate.
>
>
> and misleading the unwary, yet he poses being Christian.
the only people that lie here in this newsgroup are the greeks and some lost
bulgar, those people will burn in hell.
i'm not misleading anyone, for i'am Christian and i do belive in our Lord,
anybody who want's to belive otherwise is welcomed but let me remind you
that is a sin to fallsly acuse somebody of something.
> from: Spirit Of The Real Wannabe Makedon
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
> ........The heart of Macedonia was always Macedonian
>
>
Descendant of Alexander
>
> On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, bob wrote:
>
> > In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.990807...@sable.ox.ac.uk>,
> > Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> writes
> > >No doubt, this is the sole reason. How do you manage to combine your
> > >compassionate love in Christ with ...errrr... interpretationjs like the
> > >one above?
> > and elucidate.
> > bob
>
> He claims that he is true Christian, therefore, he should not lie. Then he
> claims that the Slavic population from Macedonia does not understand a
> word Bulgarian.
> For reference, go to the macedonian forums on big blue and you will se:
> Bulgarians and Macedonians (from FYRoM) argue and swear each other without
> any hesitation. And the both sides uderstand quite clearly what the
> other is saying.
>
> SN
>
understand bulgarian, i said that i don't understand them as easily as i
understand other languages. i'm a christian and i do not lie, let me remind
you that is a sin to falsly acuse somebody of something.
Descendant of Alexander
> D/O wrote
>
> >i'm relatively new
>
>
> It is quite apparent.
i'm new but i'm still smarter than you.
Descendant of Alexander
GS <sp...@erols.com> wrote in message news:37AF38CC...@erols.com...
> Yo, Descendant,
>
> Slavko's mama was just Bulgarian, he said once, not Pirin Bulgarian as far
as I
> know. Nothing wrong with Bulgarians. They are great people.
>
> Galina
well, i don't have nothing against bulgarian people as well, except this guy
(Stephan Nikolov) who keeps bothering me for some reason, and a couple of
others who are missguided and side with the greeks.
Descendant of Alexander
>
> GS wrote
> >The Junebug would like to be a Greek but....alas....is not. Neither is
the
> >Junebug a Bugaroman, etc. Just yer simple Philhellene,
>
> Shut your lying mouth, you crazed Russian heretic!
for as long as you call her russian, i think i will call you your true name
Philhelene
> >the kind that reads
> >Penguin classics and gets all steamy and confused.
>
> As for that stupid statement lets tell the truth for once
> Galina:
>
>
> Note that our most obscene posting person, Galina,
> wrote her usual rubbish.
>
> Your best bet is to ignore Galina completely. She has an inability
> to think coherently, posts false and incomplete information usually;
> and has had an impaired education, wherein she cannot discern
> the difference between languages and dialects etc.
actualy the best thing you can do is ignore June, for she is confused.
as an educated person i can tell you that whatever Galina has wrote so far
has been the truth.
> She is nothing but the trouble maker that she accuses
> others of being.
>
> She is an evil person with nefarious intentions and ways.
>
> She is also a rabid liar and in league with Old Nick.
the only liars here are the greeks and some missguided bulgar
> Give her a wide berth. She is NON-Orthodox.
and again i repeat that an accusation like this is a sin on your soul
June R Harton
but let me remind you
>that is a sin to fallsly acuse somebody of something.
YOU REMIND ME OF NOTHING YOU LYING
FILTH!
NOW, GET BACK TO RUSSIA, AND REPENT
YOUR EVIL LIES!
from: Spirit Of The Real Makedon
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
........The heart of Macedonia was always Greek
GS
Kaiser Soze wrote:
> Ha!Ha! Where did you get this? The center for duck studies..?
>
> Listen, Bob!
> What do you call 4 Greeks laying on the ground?
> An air mattress!
>
> What do you call a Macedonian (from the former republic), between two
> other Macedonians (also from the former republic)?
> A mental block!
And what do you call a Bulgarian going into the macedonian and Greek
newsgroups to insult Macedonians and Greeks?
A blockhead mental case?
>
>
> Kaiser
> (~<><>~)
>
> In article <9tTjTgAB...@mcrobert.demon.co.uk>,
> --
> (~<><>~)
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Descendant of Alexander
> D/O wrote?
> but let me remind you
> >that is a sin to fallsly acuse somebody of something.
>
>
>
> YOU REMIND ME OF NOTHING YOU LYING
> FILTH!
and we got the first person volentearing to burn in hell for an eternity,
any more volentears?
> NOW, GET BACK TO RUSSIA, AND REPENT
> YOUR EVIL LIES!
i'm a pure Macedonian and the only reason why i would go to russia is a
vacation or bussiness.
now stop spreading your lies and stop angering our Lord, for we got enough
natural dissasters as it is.
>
> from: Spirit Of The Real Wannabe Makedon
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
>
> ........The heart of Macedonia was always Macedonian
>
>
Descendant of Alexander
remind
> > you that is a sin to falsly acuse somebody of something.
> >
>
> yours. Then you imply that other languages are closer to your mother
> tongue than Bulgarian, right?
> Well, even according to the most celebrated Bl. Konev-ski, it is
> Bulgarian and Macedonian languages only that belong to the same group -
> the east south Slavic linguistic family. I need to remind you that there
> was no translator for the first neeting between the Bulgarian and RoM
> presidents, Zhelev and Glogorov and none of them had linguistic
> difficulties with understanding each other.
>
> Of course, one might say that Kiril Gligorov has studied in Sofia in the
> 1940's, so he must have recollected his working knowledge of Bulgarian.
> I myself never had linguistic difficulties with understanging the language
> in RoMacedonia, neither have my friends from there difficulties with
> understanding me.
>
> I realise quite well, that the stubborn linguistic policy, vigorously
> pursued by the previous regime in Skopje succeded in the creation of a new
> language, the ezikot of Konev-ski & Co, and did their best to link this
> language with Serbian.
>
>
> To finish, I would remind tp your most faithful soul that all those guys:
> Syril, Methodios, Clement, Gorazd, Sava, Angelarius and Naum, all saints,
> according to both Orthodox and Catholics, were Slavic "linguists" in their
> time, so watch your words when speaking on Bulgarian and Macedonian if you
> care that much for the salvation of your soul. For the
> Yugoslavian (the Skopje ones included) communists who even
> went so far that even changed the (allegedly Macedonian !!!) alphabeth of
> St Clement for their ideological and nation-building purposes should meet
> the firm opposition of these saint for their own (of the
> communists) eventual salvation which is quite questionable given their
> treatment of the Bulgarians in Macedonia. The same applies for their
> epigons whatever claims they make in the newsgroups.
>
> SN
>
>
>
the thing is that i have not been living in Macedonia for a while, and i
speak 3 full languages and more than 5 partial languages, so you can see
that the bulgarian language wouldn't be that easy for me. when i was
speaking about the Macedonian and bulgarian languages, i was only speaking
in my name and not the rest of the Macedonians and bulgarians. sorry for the
misunderstanding.
Descendant of Alexander
Kaiser Soze <one_kai...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7oqkhp$aq0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
>
> Abe, da Vi kazha otkroveno - big-blue e edin goljam tashak!
> What do you call ten 'Macedonians' standing in a row?
> A wind tunnel!
>
> Kaiser
>
why does the new bulgarian navy have glass bottom floors?
so they can see the old bulgarian navy.
>
>
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809...@sable.ox.ac.uk>,
Descendant of Alexander
Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.95.990811...@sable.ox.ac.uk...
> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> >
> > actualy the best thing you can do is ignore June, for she is confused.
> > as an educated person i can tell you that whatever Galina has wrote so
far
> > has been the truth.
>
> at least two-month fasting to get absolution for such a lie...
> Well.... if the lie about Galina is result from your own ignorance, then
> the months might become a year for then you both claim you are "an
> educated person" (which in this case you are not enough educated to
> realise what is true and what is untrue in Galina's postings) and , of
> course, you have pride that by no means is considered a virtue, as far as
> I am aware of Christian religion. In both cases, you will need to
> repent.
>
> SN
>
>
only evil people need to repent. the sooner you start the more chances you
got. as for my education, that's something that a person like you shouldn't
even go into, if a start listing my qualifications than you would get
confused on what all those things mean.
Descendant of Alexander
Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.95.990811...@sable.ox.ac.uk...
>
> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> >
guy
> > (Stephan Nikolov) who keeps bothering me for some reason, and a couple
of
> > others who are missguided and side with the greeks.
> >
>
> differences between Bulgarian and Macedonian.
> As for siding with the Greeks, this is another ridiculous statement just
> as a Slavophone from the Balkans would claim to be exclusive Descendant of
> Alexander. This is as true as if I claimed I was descendand of Rezos,
> Sitalk or Burebista.
>
> SN
>
the are many differences between our culture and people although not that
profound.
when i argue with a greek person and another guy comes along and fights
against me, i would call that siding with the greeks.
untill somebody geneticaly proves that there isn't a drop of Macedonian blod
in us Macedonians, i'm going to continue to call myself that which i belive
that i am. btw, who are those guys you just mentioned?
Ilya Talev
GS wrote:
>
> And what do you call a Bulgarian going into the macedonian and Greek
> newsgroups to insult Macedonians and Greeks?
>
> A blockhead mental case?
I knew that Galina was not all together, but to EXCLUDE
Bulgarians from a Macedonian Newsgroup? WOW!
And may I ask what qualifies her to write in such a NG?
What indeed are her connections to Macedonia? Some genes from
Grandma Kleopatra - thru the Tartar Connection?
IT
Ilya Talev
Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> the thing is that i have not been living in Macedonia for a while, and i
> speak 3 full languages and more than 5 partial languages, so you can see
> that the bulgarian language wouldn't be that easy for me. when i was
> speaking about the Macedonian and bulgarian languages, i was only speaking
> in my name and not the rest of the Macedonians and bulgarians. sorry for the
> misunderstanding.
Very curious indeed: is Bulgarian a full or a partial language?
And what is the connection between Alexander (your purported
ancestor) and Bulgarian? I bet he would spin in his grave trying
to pronounce that word with a "B".
IT
Descendant of Alexander
Ilya Talev <ta...@ibm.net> wrote in message news:37B0EBE...@ibm.net...
they occupy part of Macedonia, but now they want to post in our NG's.
GS
GS
Ilya Talev wrote:
GS wrote:>
> And what do you call a Bulgarian going into the macedonian and Greek
> newsgroups to insult Macedonians and Greeks?
>
> A blockhead mental case?I knew that Galina was not all together, but to EXCLUDE
Bulgarians from a Macedonian Newsgroup? WOW!
And may I ask what qualifies her to write in such a NG?
What indeed are her connections to Macedonia? Some genes from
Grandma Kleopatra - thru the Tartar Connection?IT
Dear Macedonian Vlach,
The keyword was not ethnicity but insults.
Descendant of Alexander
i don't know fully or my pronunciation is shaky.
there is no connection between Alexander and bulgaria, so therefore
Alexander doesn't have to pronunce "B" although there were words with that
sound and i'm sure he could pronounce that sound.
Descendant of Alexander
>
>
> Descendant of Alexander wrote:
>
> > >
> > wow, why should bulgarians post messages in a Macedonian NG? not only do
> > they occupy part of Macedonia, but now they want to post in our NG's.
>
> one grand parent who was born in Macedonia. And those grandparents
> DEFINITELY called themselves "bugari", and NOT "descendants of
> Alexander". But on the other hand, they were NORMAL people,
> not a bunch of wackos.
>
> IT
>
speaking of wackos, how are you? ok now we established that there is a big
Macedonian minority in the bulgaria (the part that bulgaria occupies from
Macedonia) and the only people there that call themselves "bugari" are those
who were forcefuly assimilated.
Descendant of Alexander
mental cases, how is your family today?
Ilya Talev <ta...@ibm.net> wrote in message news:37B0FE4D...@ibm.net...
> Lemme put it even simpler so you would understand:
> Anyone who claims to be a "Descendant" of a person
> who lived some 2,400 yrs ago (and was known to be gay)
> is not just a wacko but a serious mental case.
>
> IT
Stephan Nikolov
>
> Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
Stephan Nikolov
Kaiser Soze
Listen, Bob!
What do you call 4 Greeks laying on the ground?
An air mattress!
What do you call a Macedonian (from the former republic), between two
other Macedonians (also from the former republic)?
A mental block!
Kaiser
(~<><>~)
In article <9tTjTgAB...@mcrobert.demon.co.uk>,
bob <b...@mcrobert.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <7okqmg$5v0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Kaiser Soze
> <one_kai...@my-deja.com> writes
> >There's an old saying: If a Macedonian takes a dip into the Black
Sea,
> >out of it it'll emerge a pure Bulgarian..! :)
> Kaiser old bean, have you heard the ancient British saying," whats the
> difference between a duck - one leg is both the same."
> --
> bob
>
--
Kaiser Soze
Abe, da Vi kazha otkroveno - big-blue e edin goljam tashak!
What do you call ten 'Macedonians' standing in a row?
A wind tunnel!
Kaiser
In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809...@sable.ox.ac.uk>,
Stephan Nikolov <ou...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Kaiser Soze wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Gospodin Talev, blagodaraja za otgovora!
> > Nikoga ne sym dopuskal, che... govedoto... mozhe da e Bylgarsko....!
> > Koeto pyk, otnovo dokazva blestjashtata teorema, che ako Makedonets
se
> > izkype v Cherno more, shte izleze chist Bulgarin!
> > He!He!
> >
> > Znachi, genite na bashta mu bili po-vazhni...taka li? Bi trybvalo
da mu
> > se kazhe, che nyakoj religiozni krygove v Izrael, ne te priznavat za
> > kryven brat, ako majka ti ne e evrejka! I mnogo pravilno... bih
> > dobavil...! Majkata e vinagi "poznata", dokato bashta mozhe da byde
> > vseki..! (Nedaj bozhe!)
> >
> > Ta, mislja si, che i Slavko trebva da merim po syshtija visiok, no i
> > mnogo spravedliv arshin!
> >
> > Nazdrave!
> >
> > Kaiser
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Za Vas ne znam, na men Slavko nikakyv brat ne mi e, kakto i podobnite
> nemu (vie gi znete of big-blue).
>
> SN.
>
>
--
Stephan Nikolov
On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Descendant of Alexander wrote:
Ilya Talev
Ilya Talev
GS wrote:
>
>
> Ilya Talev wrote:
>
>> I knew that Galina was not all together, but to EXCLUDE
>> Bulgarians from a Macedonian Newsgroup? WOW!
>> And may I ask what qualifies her to write in such a NG?
>> What indeed are her connections to Macedonia? Some genes from
>> Grandma Kleopatra - thru the Tartar Connection?
>>
>> IT
>
> Dear Macedonian Vlach,
>
> The keyword was not ethnicity but insults.
We are all Vlachs, Galina, one way or another - ask George
Tsapanos about it - but you sure are not. And that makes it
quite interesting...
IT
Ilya Talev
Anyone who claims to be a "Descendant" of a person
who lived some 2,400 yrs ago (and was known to be gay)
is not just a wacko but a serious mental case.
IT
Descendant of Alexander wrote:
> Ilya Talev <ta...@ibm.net> wrote in message news:3
> 7B0F561....@ibm.net...
> >
> >
June R Harton
>for we got enough natural dissasters as it is.
Unless, that is, you are admitting that you are that
crazed, wretched, heretic from Russia?