FACT: the biblical "Jews" were the Mittani Hittites !
Aggie-tom
8 And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar;) and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim;
8
exhlyen de basileuv sodomwn kai basileuv gomorrav kai basileuv adama kai basileuv sebwim kai basileuv balak auth estin shgwr kai paretaxanto autoiv eiv polemon en th koiladi th alukh9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.
9
prov codollogomor basilea ailam kai yargal basilea eynwn kai amarfal basilea sennaar kai ariwc basilea ellasar oi tessarev basileiv prov touv penteThargal (Th-ar-gal) is Thdkhaliya III (Th-d-khal-iya) the King of the Hattian Hittites
Amarfal (A-ma-r-fal) is Eriba-Vul (E-ri-ba-Vul) = Eriba-Adad the King of Assyria.
Sumobor = Shemeber = Kada-Shman-Vul = Kadashman-Enlil was the son of the King of Babylon.
(In Assyrian and Babylonian names Vul (ie Baal) was interchangeable with both "Adad" and "Enlil" since these were alternate names for exactly the same God.
Hodollogmor = Khutelud-(?) a King of Elam unknown to Archaeologists though other Elamite kings bare the same prefix in their names such as Khallutush-In-Shushinak.
All of the identified kings are known to have been contemporaries of the same period as Abraham.
http://web.genie.it/utenti/i/inanna/livello1-i/sincronia-i.htm
Mambrh who's help Abraham enlists after Lot is captured could possible be Ammis-tamru the King of Ugarit, another known contemporary.
If this proof is not convincing enough then the next bit should knock you for six.
Comparing the Kings of Mittani with the ancestors of Abraham.
Mittani
Bible
c.1620
Start of Reign of Mittani 1620-1572
Shem 1612
Noahs Flood c.1610
Kirta 1594-1536
Cainan
c. 1460 Baratarna 1561-1510
Haber
c. 1450 Parshatazar 1544-1502
Phaleg 1528-1488
Ragau
c.1420 Artatama 1495-1444
Nahor c.1400
Shuttarna II
1611-1544
Arphaxad
c.1600
Shutarana I
1577-1418
Sala
c.1410 Shaushtatar
1511-1470
Seruch
|
1475~1396 Tharrah | |
|
c. 1390 (Artashumara) |
b.1458-1370 Abraham |
|
1375-50
Tushratta |
b.1415-1346 Ishmael |
|
c.1350 Shattiwaza |
b.1408-1318 Isaac |
|
c.1345
Shattuara I |
b.1378-1304
Jacob, |
|
c.1325 Shuppiluliuma I |
b.1333-1278 Joseph |
|
|
b.1315 Manesseh, Ephrahim |
D.Hill
Aggie-tom <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message news:9en9sc$7fd$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk...
Aggie-tom
"Aggie-tom" <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message news:9en9sc$7fd$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk...
The proof is so obvious that it sticks out like a sore thumb.According to Genesis 14:9 at the time of Abraham a major battle erupts in Syria-Palestine and Mesopotamia which is also documented in the El-Amarna letters and Egyptian archeives.
Should have quoted this passage:1 ¶ And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;
1
egeneto de en th basileia th amarfal basilewv sennaar ariwc basileuv ellasar kai codollogomor basileuv ailam kai yargal basileuv eynwn2 That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.
2 epoihsan polemon meta balla basilewv sodomwn kai meta barsa basilewv gomorrav kai sennaar basilewv adama kai sumobor basilewv sebwim kai basilewv balak auth estin shgwr
Aggie-tom
"D.Hill" <dsb...@home.com> wrote in message news:RdGP6.43195$Ub.5...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com...
Typical Liberal Higher Criticism BS that has been refuted time and time again but Liberals refuse to open their anti-intellectual minds!!
|
b.1415-1346
Ishmael | |
|
c.1350 Shattiwaza |
b.1408-1318 Isaac |
|
c.1345
Shattuara I |
|
b.1378-1304
Jacob, |
|
c.1325 Shuppiluliuma I |
b.1333-1278 Joseph |
|
|
b.1315 Manesseh, Ephrahim |
ADR
Typical Liberal Higher Criticism BS that has been refuted time and time again but Liberals refuse to open their anti-intellectual minds!!
Aggie-tom
"ADR" <a.dal...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:B735270D.14E7%a.dal...@btinternet.com...
in article RdGP6.43195$Ub.5...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com, D.Hill at dsb...@home.com wrote on 26/5/01 5:24 am:
Typical Liberal Higher Criticism BS that has been refuted time and time again but Liberals refuse to open their anti-intellectual minds!!Actually, what Aggie-Tom posted was a great exaggeration of the truth. The Hebrew legend does put them as immigrants from India who then settle in northwest Mesopotamia at exactly the same time as Mitanni. However, what Aggie-Tom posted was very wrong. Yes, some of the Abram legend is based on a Mitanni king but that king was Artatama who married one of his female relatives to Tuthmosis IV (the Sara legend). The chronology of Genesis alongside list of kings that Aggie-Tom uses is entirely wrong though.
Doug Weller
says...
> Typical Liberal Higher Criticism BS that has been refuted time and time again but Liberals refuse to open their anti-intellectual minds!!
>
Doug
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Albert Reingewirtz
Weller <dwe...@ramtops.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <RdGP6.43195$Ub.5...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>, dsb...@home.com
> says...
> > Typical Liberal Higher Criticism BS that has been refuted time and time
> > again but Liberals refuse to open their anti-intellectual minds!!
> >
> Eh? Aggie-Tom seems hardly to be liberal.
>
> Doug
Hey! Hey! Another antisemite Brit! Bevin was your Hitler you march in
lock step after? I feel sorry for the colonial power that justifiably
fell on hard times and only has Ireland left to subjugate. Britania now
rules waves of morons.
ADR
Ahem. No they didn’t. Historical records were still around to see at that point. Egyptians knew a lot of their own history. So did the Jews. So did the Babylonians and so on. To say that the Greeks were the ONLY people to have access to historical records is silly. They didn’t even know anything about the Hittites even though the Greeks were earlier transmitted so many of the myths and legends of Babylonia.
The ONLY people that were in any position to have access to ALL of these historical records from Mitanni to Egypt, Assyria and Babylonia were the GREEKS ! - Aggie Tom
Aggie-tom
Agum II
Kurigalza I
Kurigalza II
Kashtiliash I
Nazimaruttash I
Kadashman-Enlil I
Kastiash I
Kastiash II
Melishipah I
Merodach-baladan I
|
Artatama [Agum I] |
1793-1718 Adam |
|
Shutarana
[Shumabi/Kastiash I] |
1775-1701
Seth |
|
Kirta
[Kurigalza I] |
1742-1668
Cainan |
|
Shattuara [Nazimaruttash I]Washatta [Kadashman-Enlil I] |
1715-1640
Jared |
|
Parshatazar [Kurigalza II] |
1688-1610 Mathusala |
|
Artashumara [Kashtiliash I]Artatama [Agum II] |
1675-1614
Lamech |
|
Shutarana [Shumabi/Kastiash II] |
1620-1572 Shem |
Aggie-tom
"ADR" <a.dal...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:B735C0DB.1532%a.dal...@btinternet.com...
The ONLY people that were in any position to have access to ALL of these historical records from Mitanni to Egypt, Assyria and Babylonia were the GREEKS ! - Aggie TomAhem. No they didn’t. Historical records were still around to see at that point. Egyptians knew a lot of their own history. So did the Jews. So did the Babylonians and so on. To say that the Greeks were the ONLY people to have access to historical records is silly. They didn’t even know anything about the Hittites even though the Greeks were earlier transmitted so many of the myths and legends of Babylonia.
Doug Weller
> In article <MPG.1579eb57c...@news1.cableinet.net>, Doug
> Weller <dwe...@ramtops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <RdGP6.43195$Ub.5...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>, dsb...@home.com
> > says...
> > > Typical Liberal Higher Criticism BS that has been refuted time and time
> > > again but Liberals refuse to open their anti-intellectual minds!!
> > >
> > Eh? Aggie-Tom seems hardly to be liberal.
> >
> > Doug
>
> Hey! Hey! Another antisemite Brit! Bevin was your Hitler you march in
> lock step after?
>
On the other hand, Aggie-Tom appears to have no love for Jews.
Nor am I British.
Aggie-tom
Genesis 10:6 And the sons of
Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.Ashur-Nirari I
Puzur-Ashur III 1520
Enlil-Nasir I
Ashur-Nirari II
Genesis 10:.
2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
2
uioi iafey gamer kai magwg kai madai kai iwuan kai elisa kai yobel kai mosoc kai yirav3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
3
kai uioi gamer ascanaz kai rifay kai yorgama4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
{Dodanim: or, as some read it, Rodanim}4
kai uioi iwuan elisa kai yarsiv kitioi rodioiAggie-tom
8 And Chus begot Nebrod: he began to be a giant upon the earth.
8
couv de egennhsen ton nebrwd outov hrxato einai gigav epi thv ghv10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babylon, and Orech, and Archad, and Chalanne, in the land of Senaar.
10
kai egeneto arch thv basileiav autou babulwn kai orec kai arcad kai calannh en th gh sennaar11 Out of that land came Assur, and built Ninevi, and the city Rhooboth, and Chalach,
11 ek thv ghv ekeinhv exhlyen assour kai wkodomhsen thn nineuh kai thn rowbwy polin kai thn calac
25 And to Heber were born two sons, the name of the one, Phaleg, because in his days the earth was divided, and the name of his brother Jektan.
25 kai tw eber egenhyhsan duo uioi onoma tw eni falek oti en taiv hmeraiv autou diemerisyh h gh kai onoma tw adelfw autou iektan
Larry R
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Aggie-tom
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You are confusing yourself. Abraham lived @ 3762 BCE.
Saint
"Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
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Another Yank totally unaware of the extent of British Political Tolerance.
UK voters tend to vote for a set of policies, not a religious background -
As far as strictly Jews go, when are you going to match Disraeli's
premiership with a Jew in The US ?. But of course, why should you ?. Vote
for the best person for the job, or the richest. The proportion of senior
Jewish politicians in Maggie Thatcher's Government was close on 40 % at one
time, from the Chancellor and Scottish Secretary on down. Blair's cabinet,
despite its Scottish Dominance, is almost equally "multi-cultural".
A nation which gave up her Empire mostly peaceably and amicably- witness The
Commonwealth of Nations- and survived the inevitable economic and social
turmoil to emerge as the fourth greatest economy in the world.
Yet here is another idiot Yank ignorant of the fact that Britain abolished
the evil of Slavery in all her benighted Colonies 30 years before most
Americans, despite their obnoxiously worded constitution, even saw it as a
moral issue.
I will not mention "Native" Americans.
Why too do you forget that your Colonial Empire, mostly seized in an
aggressive and unnecessary war, stretched around the world ? An Empire in
which your Colonial officers imitated the worst of the British Raj.
As for Ireland, all you have to do is persuade the Democratic Majority of
the people of the North to vote for Union with the Irish Republic.
Westminster would have her troops out of there so fast it truly would make
your head spin even more than usual.
No, Brits ( of whom I am not strictly one) have only one superiority complex
left. That of the Average American Arse-hole. Why not deprive them of that
luxury, and shut-up ?
Albert Reingewirtz
<sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:260520011136082519%alb...@nethere.com...
> > In article <MPG.1579eb57c...@news1.cableinet.net>, Doug
> > Weller <dwe...@ramtops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <RdGP6.43195$Ub.5...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>,
> dsb...@home.com
> > > says...
> > > > Typical Liberal Higher Criticism BS that has been refuted time and
> time
> > > > again but Liberals refuse to open their anti-intellectual minds!!
> > > >
> > > Eh? Aggie-Tom seems hardly to be liberal.
> > >
> > > Doug
> >
> > Hey! Hey! Another antisemite Brit! Bevin was your Hitler you march in
> > lock step after? I feel sorry for the colonial power that justifiably
> > fell on hard times and only has Ireland left to subjugate. Britania now
> > rules waves of morons.
>
> Another Yank totally unaware of the extent of British Political Tolerance.
> UK voters tend to vote for a set of policies, not a religious background -
> As far as strictly Jews go, when are you going to match Disraeli's
> premiership with a Jew in The US ?.
Ha Yes D'Israli! The USA has a history of 200 years and almost elected
a V.P. that I personally abhor. Britain had only one D'Israli in all of
it's existence and for his time in office he had to endure the metion
of his being Jewish as a negative attribute. Nevertheless he was for
all intent and purposes one of the best Britain ever had as P.M.
Britain can ask for pardong from the Jewish nation for expultions, and
many centuries of Jewish oppression including in the much celebrated
Magna Carta.
>But of course, why should you ?. Vote
> for the best person for the job, or the richest. The proportion of senior
> Jewish politicians in Maggie Thatcher's Government was close on 40 % at one
> time, from the Chancellor and Scottish Secretary on down. Blair's cabinet,
> despite its Scottish Dominance, is almost equally "multi-cultural".
> A nation which gave up her Empire mostly peaceably and amicably- witness The
> Commonwealth of Nations- and survived the inevitable economic and social
> turmoil to emerge as the fourth greatest economy in the world.
> Yet here is another idiot Yank ignorant of the fact that Britain abolished
> the evil of Slavery in all her benighted Colonies 30 years before most
> Americans, despite their obnoxiously worded constitution, even saw it as a
> moral issue.
Let's set the record straight. Britain was one of the main providers of
slave world wide and It did not give up it's colonies peacefully.
Indeed much blood was spilled in Africa, in India, in the good old USA,
the Middle East. The latest of cause was the Malvina's.
> I will not mention "Native" Americans.
> Why too do you forget that your Colonial Empire, mostly seized in an
> aggressive and unnecessary war, stretched around the world ? An Empire in
> which your Colonial officers imitated the worst of the British Raj.
> As for Ireland, all you have to do is persuade the Democratic Majority of
> the people of the North to vote for Union with the Irish Republic.
> Westminster would have her troops out of there so fast it truly would make
> your head spin even more than usual.
Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
slanted toward Britain!
> No, Brits ( of whom I am not strictly one) have only one superiority complex
> left. That of the Average American Arse-hole. Why not deprive them of that
> luxury, and shut-up ?
You do not even that! All you all have a jealousy for what your
previous subjects attained while all Britain had attained is
enslavement of "Natives" as a source of wealth. So? When is Britain
going to pay reparations to all the nations it has subjugated and bled
dry for centuries? When you do, come back and apologize to Israel for
the Exodus, for the British concentrations camps on Cyprus, for closing
the doors of escape for Jewish refugees escaping the European inferno.
Then come again and ask for a pardon for having used the Arab Legion to
carve another pieve of the Middle East and causing it to be called
later as "The West Bank instead of the real names showing it's relation
to the Jewish nation: Samaria and Judea. The whole Middle East is in
contual turmoil in no small part to Britian's machinations, creation of
kingdoms for it's own benefit and rule by "conquer and divide" that is
still aunting us today. So when I read any Brit lecturing Israel all I
can think is go piss off, antisemitic morons!
Aggie-tom
> In article <%d8Q6.4082$lm5.6...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Saint
> <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Let's set the record straight. Britain was one of the main providers of
> slave world wide and It did not give up it's colonies peacefully.
> Indeed much blood was spilled in Africa, in India, in the good old USA,
> the Middle East. The latest of cause was the Malvina's.
>
The Falkland Islands were NEVER Argentinean at any time in history.
Argentine did NOT even exists when the British took the islands.
The Fascist Dictators America installed in Argentina were ordered by the CIA
to invade the Falklands inorder to prop up the ailing regime so America
could keep its influence at the expense of the UK.
> > I will not mention "Native" Americans.
> > Why too do you forget that your Colonial Empire, mostly seized in an
> > aggressive and unnecessary war, stretched around the world ? An Empire
in
> > which your Colonial officers imitated the worst of the British Raj.
> > As for Ireland, all you have to do is persuade the Democratic Majority
of
> > the people of the North to vote for Union with the Irish Republic.
> > Westminster would have her troops out of there so fast it truly would
make
> > your head spin even more than usual.
>
> Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
> first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
> starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
> slanted toward Britain!
>
Replace Ireland with Palestine and take your own advice.
> > No, Brits ( of whom I am not strictly one) have only one superiority
complex
> > left. That of the Average American Arse-hole. Why not deprive them of
that
> > luxury, and shut-up ?
>
>
> You do not even that! All you all have a jealousy for what your
> previous subjects attained while all Britain had attained is
> enslavement of "Natives" as a source of wealth. So? When is Britain
> going to pay reparations to all the nations it has subjugated and bled
> dry for centuries? When you do, come back and apologize to Israel for
> the Exodus, for the British concentrations camps on Cyprus, for closing
You mean the Turkish Concentration camps in Cyprus which had the
wholehearted support of Israel that my Granparens were held captive in.
And what has the Exodus got to do with Britain ?
> the doors of escape for Jewish refugees escaping the European inferno.
> Then come again and ask for a pardon for having used the Arab Legion to
> carve another pieve of the Middle East and causing it to be called
> later as "The West Bank instead of the real names showing it's relation
> to the Jewish nation: Samaria and Judea. The whole Middle East is in
> contual turmoil in no small part to Britian's machinations, creation of
> kingdoms for it's own benefit and rule by "conquer and divide" that is
> still aunting us today. So when I read any Brit lecturing Israel all I
> can think is go piss off, antisemitic morons!
Yes the whole middle east is in turmoil because of the creation of Israel
which completely discredited the UN and made it into a perpetrator of
systematic Ethnic Cleansing, Theft and Destruction in reward for Jewish
Terrorism against the British and Palestinians.
Albert Reingewirtz
<cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
> "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:270520011011377274%alb...@nethere.com...
> > In article <%d8Q6.4082$lm5.6...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Saint
> > <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let's set the record straight. Britain was one of the main providers of
> > slave world wide and It did not give up it's colonies peacefully.
> > Indeed much blood was spilled in Africa, in India, in the good old USA,
> > the Middle East. The latest of cause was the Malvina's.
> >
>
> The Falkland Islands were NEVER Argentinean at any time in history.
> Argentine did NOT even exists when the British took the islands.
Any particular reason why any island a few thousand miles from Britain
should belong to "her Majesty" which isn't?
>
> The Fascist Dictators America installed in Argentina were ordered by the CIA
> to invade the Falklands inorder to prop up the ailing regime so America
> could keep its influence at the expense of the UK.
Bull shit! In fact uncle Sam pull you out of the mess when an exocet
got you in extreme embarrassment. Imagine Britania "ruler of the sea"
dunked by who? Argentina! Give us a break! Britania is now only a
shadow of it's past because it lost most of it's colonies and what is
left wants to abandon the infamous commonwhealth. Wake up!
>
>
> > > I will not mention "Native" Americans.
> > > Why too do you forget that your Colonial Empire, mostly seized in an
> > > aggressive and unnecessary war, stretched around the world ? An Empire
> in
> > > which your Colonial officers imitated the worst of the British Raj.
> > > As for Ireland, all you have to do is persuade the Democratic Majority
> of
> > > the people of the North to vote for Union with the Irish Republic.
> > > Westminster would have her troops out of there so fast it truly would
> make
> > > your head spin even more than usual.
> >
> > Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
> > first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
> > starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
> > slanted toward Britain!
> >
>
> Replace Ireland with Palestine and take your own advice.
You've got that one wrong. Palestinians want to get into Israel. This
is why Israel is fighting a fight that you, colonial crud fabricators
have caused to a great degree.
>
> > > No, Brits ( of whom I am not strictly one) have only one superiority
> complex
> > > left. That of the Average American Arse-hole. Why not deprive them of
> that
> > > luxury, and shut-up ?
> >
> >
> > You do not even that! All you all have a jealousy for what your
> > previous subjects attained while all Britain had attained is
> > enslavement of "Natives" as a source of wealth. So? When is Britain
> > going to pay reparations to all the nations it has subjugated and bled
> > dry for centuries? When you do, come back and apologize to Israel for
> > the Exodus, for the British concentrations camps on Cyprus, for closing
>
> You mean the Turkish Concentration camps in Cyprus which had the
> wholehearted support of Israel that my Granparens were held captive in.
You are such a moron! Not even knowing your own history. You had a pig
named Bevin for prime minister who ordered all the Jewish refugees who
attempted to rebuild their life in Palestine arrested and jailed in
British concentration camps on the island of Cyprus, another British
colony. Ever heard of the ship Exodus? A rickety ship barely floating
but full of refugees from the inferno of Europe including my dear
friend escapees from Hungary. The brave British colonial forces fought
against children and old people in the port of Haifa and then drag that
ship to Cyprus for internment. They got liberated finally when Britain
lost it's mandate to colonize the very Jewish land now called Israel.
>
> And what has the Exodus got to do with Britain ?
Wrong question, moron! What right had Britain to jail Jewish refugees
passengers on the Exodus? That is the question!
>
> > the doors of escape for Jewish refugees escaping the European inferno.
> > Then come again and ask for a pardon for having used the Arab Legion to
> > carve another pieve of the Middle East and causing it to be called
> > later as "The West Bank instead of the real names showing it's relation
> > to the Jewish nation: Samaria and Judea. The whole Middle East is in
> > contual turmoil in no small part to Britian's machinations, creation of
> > kingdoms for it's own benefit and rule by "conquer and divide" that is
> > still aunting us today. So when I read any Brit lecturing Israel all I
> > can think is go piss off, antisemitic morons!
>
> Yes the whole middle east is in turmoil because of the creation of Israel
> which completely discredited the UN and made it into a perpetrator of
> systematic Ethnic Cleansing, Theft and Destruction in reward for Jewish
> Terrorism against the British and Palestinians.
You are a typical British racist! I would not be surprised if you would
be found out to having taken part in the latest beatings of Indians and
Pakistany people. You want to do good? Fix the social problems you have
at home with racism, moron!
Saint
My dear Chap, I am not even British. Merely attempting to be spell the
English language, the inheritor of which you are.. You have not replied in
your tirade to any of my points. In fact, I would rather you did not
attempt to do so. I bore so easily with your type of person.
I tried, relatively gently, to show you the error of your little ways, and
it failed.
My God, despite certain personal reservations on my part in saying such a
nauseating thing, your ranting could be confused with that of your people's
persecutors.
Grow up. You are now the proud inheritor of two fine traditions. One which
grew out of English Common Law, speech, and folk-traditions, and the second
tradition that of a free independent Jewish State which has proved itself to
much of the world. There should no longer be any chip on your shoulder.
Good Day, Old Boy.
And be a happy Shit all your life.
Saint.
roge
I am not British so I do not really want to argue all of your opinions but
you are right that there is a great deal of racial tension in Britain, this
is
because the British have foolishly sought to make a British Empire with the
same
melange of people in Britain itself.
How foolish this is is now becomming obvious even to those with the most
liberal views
The people from many races that are now in Britain don't actually like the
British
as the many wars of independence can testify to this.
When you said "latest beatings of Indians and pakistani's" that wasn't
accurate because
there are race riots in Oldham but the people causing the riots are
Bangladeshi's and it is them
doing the beating.
They have set up no go areas for whites and are more or less like the
Taleban
To illustrate this a riot was started because a white wanted to marry an
Indian woman
but had to keep the affair secret.When they did get married the brides
family decided
to celebrate the occasion in a pub where both sides of the community were
welcome
However a mob attacked all the whites and bombed the pub and caused a riot.
Roge
Robespierre
dates, ages, or events in the bible as historical fact. The truth is,
for an erruption as large as Thera's, a "false winter", such as the
one that occured after the erruption at Kracatoa, would most certainly
have occured. Scientific evidence dates this "false winter" in 1628
BC. This can be proven in the rings of the redwoods in California,
and in the glacial layers in Greenland, both of which show evidence of
fallout from a large erruption in 1628 BC. Anyone interested in
getting a REAL account of the Thera erruption should read Charles
Pellegrino's Unearthing Atlantis, which, despite the title, discusses
this subject more intelligently than you people seem to want to.
(Bible indeed! huh)
Martin Ripa
in article <270520011432365851%alb...@nethere.com> Albert
Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote:
>In article <9erl4d$ovh$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Aggie-tom
><cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
[...]
>
>You are a typical British racist! I would not be surprised if you would
>be found out to having taken part in the latest beatings of Indians and
>Pakistany people. You want to do good? Fix the social problems you have
>at home with racism, moron!
If you had looked on the Aggie-Tom's name and adress, you
would see that he is a Greek.
Perhaps you should blame him for the Seleucid atrocities and
desecration of the Temple by Antiochos - it would be even on
topic on this newsgroup ( as far as such thing is possible
-((((
Best wishes
Martin
Matt Giwer
>
> In article <9erl4d$ovh$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Aggie-tom
> <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
>
> > "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> > news:270520011011377274%alb...@nethere.com...
> > > In article <%d8Q6.4082$lm5.6...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Saint
> > > <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > > Let's set the record straight. Britain was one of the main providers of
> > > slave world wide and It did not give up it's colonies peacefully.
> > > Indeed much blood was spilled in Africa, in India, in the good old USA,
> > > the Middle East. The latest of cause was the Malvina's.
> > The Falkland Islands were NEVER Argentinean at any time in history.
> > Argentine did NOT even exists when the British took the islands.
> Any particular reason why any island a few thousand miles from Britain
> should belong to "her Majesty" which isn't?
Self-determination and that sort of thing.
> > The Fascist Dictators America installed in Argentina were ordered by the CIA
> > to invade the Falklands inorder to prop up the ailing regime so America
> > could keep its influence at the expense of the UK.
>
> Bull shit! In fact uncle Sam pull you out of the mess when an exocet
> got you in extreme embarrassment. Imagine Britania "ruler of the sea"
> dunked by who? Argentina! Give us a break! Britania is now only a
> shadow of it's past because it lost most of it's colonies and what is
> left wants to abandon the infamous commonwhealth. Wake up!
They were dictators and they were installed by America.
> > > > I will not mention "Native" Americans.
> > > > Why too do you forget that your Colonial Empire, mostly seized in an
> > > > aggressive and unnecessary war, stretched around the world ? An Empire
> > in
> > > > which your Colonial officers imitated the worst of the British Raj.
> > > > As for Ireland, all you have to do is persuade the Democratic Majority
> > of
> > > > the people of the North to vote for Union with the Irish Republic.
> > > > Westminster would have her troops out of there so fast it truly would
> > make
> > > > your head spin even more than usual.
> > >
> > > Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
> > > first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
> > > starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
> > > slanted toward Britain!
> > Replace Ireland with Palestine and take your own advice.
> You've got that one wrong. Palestinians want to get into Israel. This
> is why Israel is fighting a fight that you, colonial crud fabricators
> have caused to a great degree.
Israel is in Palestine the last time I looked. Last time I reviewed
history all they want to the return of their property from the thieves
and Israel it fighting to keep what it has stolen and to take more.
> > > > No, Brits ( of whom I am not strictly one) have only one superiority
> > complex
> > > > left. That of the Average American Arse-hole. Why not deprive them of
> > that
> > > > luxury, and shut-up ?
> > >
> > >
> > > You do not even that! All you all have a jealousy for what your
> > > previous subjects attained while all Britain had attained is
> > > enslavement of "Natives" as a source of wealth. So? When is Britain
> > > going to pay reparations to all the nations it has subjugated and bled
> > > dry for centuries? When you do, come back and apologize to Israel for
> > > the Exodus, for the British concentrations camps on Cyprus, for closing
> >
> > You mean the Turkish Concentration camps in Cyprus which had the
> > wholehearted support of Israel that my Granparens were held captive in.
>
> You are such a moron! Not even knowing your own history. You had a pig
> named Bevin for prime minister who ordered all the Jewish refugees who
> attempted to rebuild their life in Palestine arrested and jailed in
> British concentration camps on the island of Cyprus, another British
> colony. Ever heard of the ship Exodus? A rickety ship barely floating
> but full of refugees from the inferno of Europe including my dear
> friend escapees from Hungary. The brave British colonial forces fought
> against children and old people in the port of Haifa and then drag that
> ship to Cyprus for internment. They got liberated finally when Britain
> lost it's mandate to colonize the very Jewish land now called Israel.
The Zionist view of history doesn't play in the real world.
Not the soc.history.ancient newsgroup. It is very well known here
biblical Israel is a myth and judaism was a creation of the Maccabees
including the god of Moses being Poseidon.
With the religious mythology Zionists used to con the uneducated there
is no claim even IF bible stories were ever legally recognized as land
deeds in the world.
> > And what has the Exodus got to do with Britain ?
>
> Wrong question, moron! What right had Britain to jail Jewish refugees
> passengers on the Exodus? That is the question!
They had no business in Palestine.
> > > the doors of escape for Jewish refugees escaping the European inferno.
> > > Then come again and ask for a pardon for having used the Arab Legion to
> > > carve another pieve of the Middle East and causing it to be called
> > > later as "The West Bank instead of the real names showing it's relation
> > > to the Jewish nation: Samaria and Judea. The whole Middle East is in
> > > contual turmoil in no small part to Britian's machinations, creation of
> > > kingdoms for it's own benefit and rule by "conquer and divide" that is
> > > still aunting us today. So when I read any Brit lecturing Israel all I
> > > can think is go piss off, antisemitic morons!
> >
> > Yes the whole middle east is in turmoil because of the creation of Israel
> > which completely discredited the UN and made it into a perpetrator of
> > systematic Ethnic Cleansing, Theft and Destruction in reward for Jewish
> > Terrorism against the British and Palestinians.
>
> You are a typical British racist! I would not be surprised if you would
> be found out to having taken part in the latest beatings of Indians and
> Pakistany people. You want to do good? Fix the social problems you have
> at home with racism, moron!
Israel is certainly no better than any other country. No one is arguing
with that.
--
People who confuse anything from New York City with reality are
very low on the food chain.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 557
Albert Reingewirtz
<ro...@down52.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
You must be reading a special paper because a;ll the papers I read
mention that it is white gangs that came in and attacked Asians. An
occurrence that is often happening in Britain. Britain has always been
a racist country otherwise it could not have built a colonial empire.
To do so requires to see "the natives" as inferiors.
Albert Reingewirtz
<ar...@volny.cz> wrote:
This is very funny! Because "the Greeks" who desecrated the temple in
Jerusalem where Syrians.
Thomas Beck
[Much Deletia]
Hey Albert, ¿Que pasa?
First off, let me say that I enjoy your comments in this
forum greatly. Frequently I read your commentary first
of the many who write here. But I must ask: "Where
do you live?". I know this is a repetitious question, since
you often ask this of others, but I am just abit curious
about you current location. You say you are ten years out
of Israel and miss it a lot, yet your use of the English language
is so tortured I can't believe you reside in the U.S. or any other
English speaking country.¿En que pais vive .Ud?
Tom
Aggie-tom
"Martin Ripa" <ar...@volny.cz> wrote in message
news:3b11a398...@news.uni-mannheim.de...
What atrocities and what desacrcation? Antiochus was a major benefator to
all of the cites of Syria-Palestine and their temples. He sacriliged
nothing. It was the Maccabee terrorists that abducted children and forced
them to be circumcised and murdered their own families evoking the hatred of
all the land. It was the same Maccabee bandists who sacrileges the temple of
Zeus and destroyed the alter and turned it in to their hideout fro which
they launched attacks on all the surrounding villages.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Martin
>
Aggie-tom
"Robespierre" <Maxim_Ro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1407fbec.01052...@posting.google.com...
Oh 1628. The Biblcal date of the Flood (actually 1612) which coincides with
the expulsion of the Hyksos.
1500 is quite clearly the date of a major catastrophe since all the written
records make mention of it and these cannot be dated any earlier which is
why prior to any of this carbon dating lark the Thera Eruption was put at
that date..
Michael Kuettner
<snip>
> > The Falkland Islands were NEVER Argentinean at any time in history.
> > Argentine did NOT even exists when the British took the islands.
>
> Any particular reason why any island a few thousand miles from Britain
> should belong to "her Majesty" which isn't?
> >
Yes, they had a vote; and they voted for Lizzy.
BTW - any particular reason why some dictators should be allowed
to claim an island which has never belonged to Argentinia ?
<snip rest>
Regards,
Michael Kuettner
Matt Giwer
In Israel, even "black" Jews are considered inferior, just a step above
Palestians whose Jewish ancestors converted to Islam but remain the
"seed of Abraham" if you wish to haul out your favorite mythology.
--
May 2001, WWII Veterans Memorial approved over 20
years after a memorial to what happened in Europe
to Europeans. Next Berlin memorial to the Amerinds.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 820
Saint
"roge" <ro...@down52.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9es5lb$9o9$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
Hey, Roge, I was the one being accused by an arse-hole of being a British
racist !.
Please snip more carefully !
Anyhow, perhaps you could have gone into a little more detail about a
basically unarmed British police-force going in and confronting a heavily
armed crowd (crowbars, Molotov cocktails et al), and not shooting one ?
Cheers,
Saint
Saint
> Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
> first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
> starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
> slanted toward Britain!
>
A pocket history follows. I will keep it very short, so please do not
criticize the non-existent detail. The main brushstrokes will be as close
as early British History allows.
Fifth century Ireland consisted of, nominally, five large provinces, often
Kingdoms, which were sub-divided into petty kingdoms and chieftainships (the
northernmost of which was Ulster). They were a warrior society. The raids
on Britain (the Roman section) by the Scotti (as a large proportion of the
Irish raiders were known to history and literature, are well documented. In
one of those murderous raids they took captive a young Romano Briton who
became known to the world as Patrick. Once Patrick had done his mission it
became easier for the Anglo Saxons to establish trading stations along the
Irish coast. It was these relatively stable and prosperous trading posts
that were occupied by the Vikings when then descended upon the Irish to do
unto them as they had done unto others.
To the North and East of Ulster a very short crossing led to the lands of
the Northern British , Strathclyde, (Welsh, to use a corrupted English word
meaning "foreigner" or "slave") and the Picts, themselves a fierce warrior
race.
Ulstermen, again called "Scotti" by our sources, crossed that narrow strip
of water and invaded Argyle, just north of the British Kingdom of
Strathclyde. From there, over centuries of hard fighting, they conquered
and absorbed the Picts, imposing their own native Irish Gaelic on the
formerly Brythonic natives. Strathclyde was to hold out until the 11th C.,
but finally succumbed.
Thus Irish Gaelic became the language of colonial masters in Scotland, one
might say, if the transfer of such modern concepts were not so ridiculous.
The final section of what is now Modern Scotland, the South East, had been
seized by the Scots from the Northumbrian English (who had conquered the
native British statelets and imposed a ruling elite) in the 11th C. as
well, but the English (as the Normans found), whether conqueror or
conquered, have the tenacity to see their language prevail under most
circumstances. And, as the focus of the Scottish State and Church moved
down into the Lowlands, so the language of the conquered English conquered.
Modern "Scots" is derived from Anglish.
However, back in the Highlands an equally alien language prevailed- Irish
Gaelic.
Earlier Norman settlements in Ireland had not gone far beyond the Pale. The
Anglo Irish Ascendancy of yore has largely been swallowed by Ireland (there
is no room here for discussion of those attempts to hold Ireland, or even
earlier Scots attempts under the Bruces), so to further the interests of
their new nation states the Welch Tudor and Scots Stuart Monarchs of
England, Wales, & Scotland (after James I & VI) planted colonies in
Ireland. They mainly drew upon the rough tough Scots and Northern English
clansmen to settle those plantations. Set a thief a catch a thief made
eminent sense.
So in a very real sense all those West Highland Scots names one finds in
Ulster originated in Ulster. Their speech is that of Ulster from which
their ancestors had left. Irish Gaelic became Scots Gaelic.
So who brought in people from where to where ?
The British Isles up to recently are a complicated mix of closely related
Celts and Teutones of one sort or another.
Irish wars of aggression against the rest of these isles is recorded far
earlier than the reverse. So what ?. Her lost cultural offspring returned
after a 1,000 year absence. Other States might call that a short absence.
No, I will not ask where is their welcome "homecoming". The matter is too
important for that.
However, the majority of people who have settled in Ulster's 6 Counties over
the millennia have voted to remain part of the United Kingdom.
Much of the rest of the United Kingdom might regret the loss of life and of
money spent defending that legitimate democratic decision, but have no real
choice, morally or constitutionally, to do otherwise.
Cheers,
Saint
Chris Camfield
<cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
[snip]
>Oh 1628. The Biblcal date of the Flood (actually 1612) which coincides with
>the expulsion of the Hyksos.
>
>1500 is quite clearly the date of a major catastrophe since all the written
>records make mention of it and these cannot be dated any earlier which is
>why prior to any of this carbon dating lark the Thera Eruption was put at
>that date..
No, actually, the date derived via carbon dating was 1450 (and not
1500). The *dendrochronological* date is 1628.
Chris
Albert Reingewirtz
<sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:270520011011377274%>
> > Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
> > first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
> > starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
> > slanted toward Britain!
> >
> Well, let's see.
> A pocket history follows. I will keep it very short, so please do not
> criticize the non-existent detail. The main brushstrokes will be as close
> as early British History allows.
My interest in British history is very limited I bore easily with your
crap about kings and Lords. The fact is that the potato famine was
totally fabricated by Britain because Irish potatoes were available in
Britain while not in Ireland. Thus the emptying of Catholic Irish from
Ireland followed.
It follows that Britain is much on the plate regarding it's lack of
morality toward others as examplified right now in northern England
with the race riots going on right now by whites attacking Asian
British subjects living there.
Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do well
to stick it up their ass! Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
it's very existence. Go away!
Albert Reingewirtz
<cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
Shit!
Albert Reingewirtz
<mik...@eunet.at> wrote:
This is very funny! Putting British colonizers on an Island and later
speaking of their vote for Britain! That the island was empty is reason
enough to occupy it although it is on the other side of the globe? Go
away! We need British colonists speaking of fairness, morality like an
extra anal canal!
Albert Reingewirtz
<sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Read today's paper moron! White gangs are at it on Asians right now.
Albert Reingewirtz
<trb...@pclink.com> wrote:
The tides of life brought me to California where I now live. What are
you some kind of frustrated teacher of English? How many languages do
you speak?
Marcello Fabretti
alb...@nethere.com wrote on 28/5/01 9:16 PM:
However, and I know I'm going to get skinned for this, the state of Israel
is an artificial construct; an alien cocktail inflicted on a region which
was doing quite nicely before the invention of Israel. If the Middle East is
the "works", then Israel is the "spanner"! The pink sunburnt faces of the
majority of Jewish settlers of Israel, portray quite nicely how foreign they
are to the region.
It would have been a lot easier for everyone if the State of Israel had been
carved out of the Australian outback. Just as dusty, but less people to
annoy. But I guess it wouldn't have had quite the same importance. But
righting the wrongs of the past -- especially when that past stretches over
3000 years! -- can have chaotic consequences. Lo and behold...
Comparing domestic British history to the middle east crisis is a somewhat
simplistic approach. Comparisons to their international behavior during the
Victorian period would have been a more fitting tactic.
Marcello
Marcello Fabretti
alb...@nethere.com wrote on 28/5/01 9:21 PM:
I think YOU need an extra anal canal, with all the shit you're dribbling!!!
Marcello
Thomas Beck
> In article <3b11dacc$0$42870$9ba6...@news.pclink.com>, Thomas Beck
> <trb...@pclink.com> wrote:
>
> > Albert Reingewirtz wrote:
> >
> > [Much Deletia]
> >
> > Hey Albert, ¿Que pasa?
> >
> > First off, let me say that I enjoy your comments in this
> > forum greatly. Frequently I read your commentary first
> > of the many who write here. But I must ask: "Where
> > do you live?". I know this is a repetitious question, since
> > you often ask this of others, but I am just abit curious
> > about you current location. You say you are ten years out
> > of Israel and miss it a lot, yet your use of the English language
> > is so tortured I can't believe you reside in the U.S. or any other
> > English speaking country.¿En que pais vive .Ud?
> >
> > Tom
>
> The tides of life brought me to California where I now live.
That explains much.
> What are
> you some kind of frustrated teacher of English?
I certainly would be, had I been yours.
> How many languages do
> you speak?
Two. And my second not as well as I wish.
Saint
> In article <7VoQ6.7812$WD.19...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Saint
> <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> > news:270520011011377274%>
> > > Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
> > > first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
> > > starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
> > > slanted toward Britain!
> > >
> > Well, let's see.
> > A pocket history follows. I will keep it very short, so please do not
> > criticize the non-existent detail. The main brushstrokes will be as
close
> > as early British History allows.
>
> My interest in British history is very limited I bore easily with your
> crap about kings and Lords. The fact is that the potato famine was
> totally fabricated by Britain because Irish potatoes were available in
> Britain while not in Ireland. Thus the emptying of Catholic Irish from
> Ireland followed.
What crap about Lords and Kings ?
This newsgroup covers the early period of my posting, and the conclusions
grew out of the main body.
If the period bores you, why proselytise ?
The potato famine is rather off-topic.
> Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do well
> to stick it up their ass! Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
> it's very existence. Go away!
You have no knowledge of history, Arse-hole. No interest, therefore no
knowledge. But why this tortured, turgid, prose from California ? Why this
deliberate attack on one of your closest allies (you don't have too many to
pick and choose) Thank God that you as an individual Jew are no more
representative of Israel or California than Dr Crippen was of Englishmen.
Now, as an arsehole I think you represent yourself, unless you are a rather
clever invention of Matt Giwer. If so, well done, Matt.
Albert Reingewirtz
<marc...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
Thank you, I think! They are still the same racist nation that allowed
them to colonize the natives. Thus when one of them points the finger
at Israel it is kind of funny in it's absurdity. This is not a
comparison at all but a returning of the favor, pointing the finger to
Britain. As for the Middle East, mainy of the problems go back to the
colonial office's creations.
Albert Reingewirtz
<sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Moron! I do not proselytize since I am a Jewish atheist. Beside, Jews
never look to convert anyone. Only Christians and Muslim do this stupid
thing.
> The potato famine is rather off-topic.
Nope it isn't because speaking of votes today in Northern Ireland after
the country was emptied by the potato famine created by "her majesty's"
government is exactly of major importance to the subject at hand.
British subjects should look at home if they want to insure morality
first before pointing fingers at Israel in the fight for it's
existence.
>
> > Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do well
> > to stick it up their ass! Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
> > it's very existence. Go away!
>
> You have no knowledge of history, Arse-hole. No interest, therefore no
> knowledge. But why this tortured, turgid, prose from California ? Why this
> deliberate attack on one of your closest allies (you don't have too many to
> pick and choose) Thank God that you as an individual Jew are no more
> representative of Israel or California than Dr Crippen was of Englishmen.
> Now, as an arsehole I think you represent yourself, unless you are a rather
> clever invention of Matt Giwer. If so, well done, Matt.
Poor little Moron! In fact I have great knowledge of our history in
fact I regard historical knowledge of my nation, the Jews as
primordial. Britain closest ally of Israel? I think not! You probably
meant the USA's. Nothing to be proud off!
Albert Reingewirtz
<trb...@pclink.com> wrote:
I speak three and understand bits in two more. English was not my
language until way up there in my years.
Matt Giwer
I note a Zionist apologist admitting, without qualification or
consideration, Israel is treating the native population as wogs.
Retrograde to the 19th century in an amission of agressive colonization
and conquest of the rightful owners of the land.
Bringing up biblical israel gets you ridiculed in soc.history.ancient.
--
Picketers are why they made plinking rifles.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 371
Saint
> > > Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do
well
> > > to stick it up their ass! Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
> > > it's very existence. Go away!
> >
> > You have no knowledge of history, Arse-hole. No interest, therefore no
> > knowledge. But why this tortured, turgid, prose from California ? Why
this
> > deliberate attack on one of your closest allies (you don't have too many
to
> > pick and choose) Thank God that you as an individual Jew are no more
> > representative of Israel or California than Dr Crippen was of
Englishmen.
> > Now, as an arsehole I think you represent yourself, unless you are a
rather
> > clever invention of Matt Giwer. If so, well done, Matt.
>
> Poor little Moron! In fact I have great knowledge of our history in
> fact I regard historical knowledge of my nation, the Jews as
> primordial. Britain closest ally of Israel? I think not! You probably
> meant the USA's. Nothing to be proud off!
You utter idiot. How do you know that I am not a fervent Zionist who simply
objects to your tone and your manner ? Even my nationality is a mystery to
you. If you knew any geography you could narrow the latter down somewhat
through my name and my language. But as you say, you pride yourself merely
on a dangerously little knowledge of your one nation.
You began with misinformation. You then provide very little information.
You fail to respond to a lengthy posting. However you continue this tirade.
You undo all the work of moderates who argue against extremism.
You amuse the true anti-semites among us.
Giwer must have invented you.
Matt Giwer
Next the Christian atheists! Get a grip, boy. You cannot be both at
once.
> Beside, Jews
> never look to convert anyone. Only Christians and Muslim do this stupid
> thing.
All religions are stupid regardless of practices.
> > The potato famine is rather off-topic.
> Nope it isn't because speaking of votes today in Northern Ireland after
> the country was emptied by the potato famine created by "her majesty's"
> government is exactly of major importance to the subject at hand.
> British subjects should look at home if they want to insure morality
> first before pointing fingers at Israel in the fight for it's
> existence.
Stone throwing children are a threat to its existance. What at tool!
Tell me about the bombs and the shooting and the body count. Faulty
construction and wedding parties and soccers riots are a greater threat
by body count.
> > > Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do well
> > > to stick it up their ass! Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
> > > it's very existence. Go away!
> >
> > You have no knowledge of history, Arse-hole. No interest, therefore no
> > knowledge. But why this tortured, turgid, prose from California ? Why this
> > deliberate attack on one of your closest allies (you don't have too many to
> > pick and choose) Thank God that you as an individual Jew are no more
> > representative of Israel or California than Dr Crippen was of Englishmen.
> > Now, as an arsehole I think you represent yourself, unless you are a rather
> > clever invention of Matt Giwer. If so, well done, Matt.
>
> Poor little Moron! In fact I have great knowledge of our history in
> fact I regard historical knowledge of my nation, the Jews as
> primordial. Britain closest ally of Israel? I think not! You probably
> meant the USA's. Nothing to be proud off!
There is no nation of Jews. That is a religious myth and as an atheist
you cannot believe in that myth and still be an atheist. Judaism as been
completely exposed in soc.history.ancient.
Primordial ... a minor offshoot of the greaco-roman gods at most.
--
The Bible has so much garment-rending no
wonder there are so many tailors.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 425
Saint
"Matt Giwer" <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3B12B212...@tampabay.rr.com...
Please destroy him so we can get back to regarding you as the nastiest of
them all.
You deserve each other
Cheers,
Saint
Matt Giwer
I kept trying to tell people what they are like but no one believed me.
Anyone interested in such sickness can go to talk.politics.mideast and
reads dozens more just like him. This is what zionists are like. This
clown is not an exception. He is the rule.
As to who invented who, more like the other way around. Had it not been
responses like their's to quite open observations I would likely not
have taken an interest in these subjects. They serve as horrible
examples in many subjects which is why I used them.
It is one of the achievements of the Israeli propaganda machine to
equate Zionism with Judaism and thus condemn any criticism of Israel
with antisemitism -- by the ignorant European meaning of semitism of
course. Even if they are uneducated enough to actually believe in their
Torah, not one place in it does it say Israel was given to the Jews, it
does say to the seed of Abraham which includes Arabs as the vast
majority. So too the Zionist propaganda keeps saying "to the Jews" and
has a propaganda position in the anti-Torah belief of "to the Jews."
A characteristic of Marxism shared by Zionism is the kind of rant these
people give out. You note they will not address any issue raised but
return to the rant every time. The dogmatism is that without statement
its positions cannot be questioned. A senior cannot even explain to a
junior that certain questions are completely off the table without being
denounced for knowing they are off the table.
This is the attitude introduced into the Europe of the late Roman
empire in matters of religion. After a short respite in religion the
attitude arose again in Marxism and continues in Zionism. We keep seeing
it in the 38-45 matters where no discussion is possible and all
responses are rants.
--
There are millions of species. Taste before you exterminate.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 69
Matt Giwer
You have not even considered them because of people like him.
> But I tire of this moron.
> Please destroy him so we can get back to regarding you as the nastiest of
> them all.
Ever trying destroying a Marxist? They refuse to admit that critical
issues are open to discussion as they do on the 38-45 matters.
I am always willing to discuss all matters on the same grounds,
physical evidence as one of those grounds. Marxist / Zionist dogmatists
refuse to recognize their position can be discussed.
Which would you prefer? And why would you go along with the idea 38-45
matters are not open to discussion?
> You deserve each other
He is one of the dogmatic extremists in the 38-45 matters. Without his
type there would have been no reason to look further.
--
If Israel were Serbia, Tel Aviv would be rubble.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 302
Matt Giwer
Go to talk.politics.mideast and discover he is representative of
Israel. I do not ask you to believe me. I ask only you see for yourself.
I also do not disagree with me until you have seen for yourself.
On the third day of the 1956 war with Egypt, Ben-Gurion received a
standing ovation from the Knesset when he announced the purpose of the
war was to reestablish Solomon's Kingdom. It is that kind of raving
lunacy you will find is the foundation of Zionism. You will find
political perverted (heretical) Judaism as the foundation of Zionism.
The political foundation of Zionism is to reestablish that mythical
kingdom and to rule it under rabbinical laws.
Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion." As he is anti-zionist
he is described as having the "Jews and Marxists only" mental disorder
of self-hating.
> or California than Dr Crippen was of Englishmen.
> Now, as an arsehole I think you represent yourself, unless you are a rather
> clever invention of Matt Giwer. If so, well done, Matt.
Even I could not invent Zionists. Read for yourself and see how common
they are without evidence of any Zionist to the contrary.
--
You can get more with a kind word and a baseball bat
than you can with just a kind word.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 394
Saint
<snip>
Saint wrote:
> > Matt, I detest your views.
MG wrote:
> You have not even considered them because of people like him.
Saint wrote:
> > But I tire of this moron.
> > Please destroy him so we can get back to regarding you as the nastiest
of
> > them all.
MG wrote:
> Ever trying destroying a Marxist? They refuse to admit that critical
> issues are open to discussion as they do on the 38-45 matters.
>
> I am always willing to discuss all matters on the same grounds,
> physical evidence as one of those grounds. Marxist / Zionist dogmatists
> refuse to recognize their position can be discussed.
>
> Which would you prefer? And why would you go along with the idea 38-45
> matters are not open to discussion?
>
> > You deserve each other
>
> He is one of the dogmatic extremists in the 38-45 matters. Without his
> type there would have been no reason to look further.
Saint writes, wearily : Matt, what would it take you to accept that the
1941-45 Holocaust consumed millions of Jews ?. That Nazi Germans, "ordinary
Germans" and their allies actually exterminated Human Beings like rats.
Ignore this Ringewirtz. They exist everywhere. He is a specimen of his type
only to a degree.
I believe that we both know a little of the assessment of historical
evidence. I believe that this terrible crime against Jews, and against
Humanity, actually occurred. I believe too that it is the historical truth
of this crime that makes present-day Israelis commit terrible deeds in
defence of their existence. They do not wish to suffer the same evils as
befell their elders.
They will literally do all in their rather considerable power to prevent
this happening again.
We agree that the historical foundations of Zionism might be questionable
We agree that they have, in the pursuit of safety, performed terrible deeds.
But I believe I know why. Fear and revulsion of the same Holocaust
performed yet again. They know the reality of anti-Semitism in the small
snubs, the small pogroms, the little denial of common humanity, the great
massacre.
If you reject the statistical evidence of the disappearance of so many
people off the face of this earth, please tell me why.
This is the crux of the matter. It is why so many are dying right now in
the Middle East.
Please tell me why, and how, you can not accept the root cause of the
awfulness of the present conflict in them thar hills.
I ask sincerely. I want to understand this cause of yours. For good or
evil.
Cheers,
Saint.
--
Michael Kuettner
> This is very funny!
Indeed; the fun is in the eye of the beholder.
> Putting British colonizers on an Island and later
> speaking of their vote for Britain!
I've never seen anybody building an argument -
> That the island was empty is reason
> enough to occupy it although it is on the other side of the globe?
and knocking it down in the next sentence.
Thank you; you've spared me the effort of doing this myself.
But - just to give you an extra clue - it's also *not* in Argentinian
waters.
> Go
> away! We need British colonists speaking of fairness, morality like an
> extra anal canal!
You sound like a moron; and no - I'm no Brit.
I can't hinder you from making a fool of yourself; but if you want to be
taken serious, you should reconsider your style of "argumentation".
Regards,
Michael Kuettner
Michael Kuettner
> In article <7VoQ6.7812$WD.19...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
Saint
> <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> My interest in British history is very limited I bore easily with your
> crap about kings and Lords. The fact is that the potato famine was
> totally fabricated by Britain because Irish potatoes were available in
> Britain while not in Ireland. Thus the emptying of Catholic Irish from
> Ireland followed.
>
postulate about it.
You still sound like a moron.
<snip>
> Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do
well
> to stick it up their ass!
You still sound like a moron.
And why is it always "British antisemites" ?
> Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
> it's very existence. Go away!
Strangely, I have to agree here with you (to some degree).
If you would have taken the time to slightly rephrase
the above, you could have written :
"Israels first obligation as a state is to defend its citizens."
That would be a true statement and nobody would have any
beef with that. I expect the same from my country, too.
So, if you want to speak up for Israel, please be more articulate.
Regards,
Michael Kuettner
Michael Kuettner
> In article <vPvQ6.8935$WD.23...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
Saint
> <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > What crap about Lords and Kings ?
> > This newsgroup covers the early period of my posting, and the
conclusions
> > grew out of the main body.
> > If the period bores you, why proselytise ?
>
> Moron! I do not proselytize since I am a Jewish atheist. Beside, Jews
> never look to convert anyone. Only Christians and Muslim do this
stupid
> thing.
>
of arguing.
Now I see; this is cross-posted to soc.culture.israel. This would mean
that you are an agent of Arafat; you certainly do your best to make
Israelis seem like a lot of idiots (My apologies to all sane people on
s.c.i.).
> > The potato famine is rather off-topic.
>
> Nope it isn't because speaking of votes today in Northern Ireland
after
> the country was emptied by the potato famine created by "her
majesty's"
> government is exactly of major importance to the subject at hand.
> British subjects should look at home if they want to insure morality
> first before pointing fingers at Israel in the fight for it's
> existence.
Err - this is soc.history.ancient. The thread is cross-posted.
Another clue : If you want to drive home a point, check your facts.
Argue *with* facts; be prepared to get some different points of view.
Argue with reason and in a polite manner. Then people will take
you seriously.
Or : Continue to foam at the mouth and be laughed at.
It's your choice.
<snip>
> Poor little Moron! In fact I have great knowledge of our history in
> fact I regard historical knowledge of my nation, the Jews as
> primordial. Britain closest ally of Israel? I think not! You probably
> meant the USA's. Nothing to be proud off!
See what I mean ?
Regards,
Michael Kuettner
Michael Kuettner
Saint <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Z8yQ6.9304$WD.24...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
<snip trash>
> You utter idiot. How do you know that I am not a fervent Zionist who
simply
> objects to your tone and your manner ? Even my nationality is a
mystery to
> you. If you knew any geography you could narrow the latter down
somewhat
> through my name and my language.
(sp?) who
married your Scottish father.
With a very evil grin,
Michael Kuettner
<snip rest>
Matt Giwer
Physical evidence just like for everything else.
That is the same rule used here for Egyptians in Ireland, Atlantis,
Africans in South America, biblical Israel, astrological charts and a
host of other subjects which have been raised here.
As I said,
> > I am always willing to discuss all matters on the same grounds,
> > physical evidence as one of those grounds.
So let us go specifically with physical evidence as a start as we do
with most subjects here.
--
1938: Robert Goddard launches first liquid fueled rockets
in Roswell, New Mexico, USA.
1945: Ballistic missiles fall on London.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 66
VonQuark
Saint wrote:
>
>
> Another Yank totally unaware of the extent of British Political Tolerance.
> UK voters tend to vote for a set of policies, not a religious background -
Not so!
> As far as strictly Jews go, when are you going to match Disraeli's
> premiership with a Jew in The US ?.
Disraeli was a practicing Anglican.
We had a PRACTICING Jew
on the ticket for Vice President (Lieberman)
and he won the majority vote AS
A PRACTICING Jew.
<...>
> The proportion of senior Jewish politicians in
> Maggie Thatcher's Government was close on
> 40 % at one time,
I think Clinton's was higher.
> A nation which gave up her Empire mostly
> peaceably and amicably <...>
If one ignores
The Hundred Years War in France!
The American Revolution,
Canadian Rebellions (1837)
Australian Rebellion (1853)
The Boer War
Irish Revolution (1916-21)
The Irgun and Haggannah (1940s)
anti-British campaign
The Mau Mau Rebellion 1950s.
The continuing struggle in Ulster
The Amistar Massacre of 379 Indians killed,
1500 wounded.
The Sepoy Rebellion (1850s)
Gandhis campaign of Civil Disobedience.
When will you quit Ulster peaceably
and the Malvinas?!
BTW, did you aquire the Empire peaceably?!
Yeah, you lest peacably and amicably!
Gimme a break.
VonQuark
Albert Reingewirtz wrote:
If I remember correctly the first recorded claim
was by an American whaler. The Argentians
no doubt used it as a fishing station. There
are islands in the Pacific today uninhabited
yet claimed by America, Britain, Australia,
and France. Hence Britain was not engaging
in a legal takeover. The island is properly
Argentinian, If habitability is the key, the
Russians could claim some islands in the Aluetians
by dropping anchor..
Basically Britain's claim rested SOLELY
on a superior navy. Similar logic is allowing
China to claim atolls which should be properly
Vietnamese. (Why? Oil!)
Britain needed a whaling station...That's all,
The Malvinas should revert to Argentina,
VonQuark
Albert Reingewirtz wrote:
> In article <9es5lb$9o9$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, roge
> <ro...@down52.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> > news:270520011432365851%alb...@nethere.com...
> > > In article <9erl4d$ovh$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Aggie-tom
> > > <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> You must be reading a special paper because a;ll the papers I read
> mention that it is white gangs that came in and attacked Asians. An
> occurrence that is often happening in Britain. Britain has always been
> a racist country otherwise it could not have built a colonial empire.
> To do so requires to see "the natives" as inferiors.
Are you kidding?! The British viewed the
Scots Highlanders, the Welsh, and the Irish
as inferiors. And what they think of the
French is even worse. The British have
had a rarified form of racism.
VonQuark
Albert Reingewirtz wrote:
> In article <3b11a398...@news.uni-mannheim.de>, Martin Ripa
> <ar...@volny.cz> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 27 May 2001 14:32:36 -0700, in soc.history.ancient
> > in article <270520011432365851%alb...@nethere.com> Albert
> > Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9erl4d$ovh$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Aggie-tom
> > ><cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >
> > >You are a typical British racist! I would not be surprised if you would
> > >be found out to having taken part in the latest beatings of Indians and
> > >Pakistany people. You want to do good? Fix the social problems you have
> > >at home with racism, moron!
> >
> > If you had looked on the Aggie-Tom's name and adress, you
> > would see that he is a Greek.
> >
> > Perhaps you should blame him for the Seleucid atrocities and
> > desecration of the Temple by Antiochos - it would be even on
> > topic on this newsgroup ( as far as such thing is possible
> > -((((
> >
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Martin
>
> This is very funny! Because "the Greeks" who desecrated the temple in
> Jerusalem where Syrians.
Hellenized Greco-Syrians under the Selucid Greeks.
Probably Greco-Assyrian is a better description.
The Syrians of today have acquired the
questionable beneficent addition of Peninular Arabian
genetics courtesy of 7th century jihads.
Aggie-tom
"VonQuark" <vonq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3B12D386...@mindspring.com...
>
> If I remember correctly the first recorded claim
> was by an American whaler. The Argentians
> no doubt used it as a fishing station. There
> are islands in the Pacific today uninhabited
> yet claimed by America, Britain, Australia,
> and France. Hence Britain was not engaging
> in a legal takeover. The island is properly
> Argentinian, If habitability is the key, the
> Russians could claim some islands in the Aluetians
> by dropping anchor..
>
> Basically Britain's claim rested SOLELY
> on a superior navy. Similar logic is allowing
> China to claim atolls which should be properly
> Vietnamese. (Why? Oil!)
>
> Britain needed a whaling station...That's all,
>
> The Malvinas should revert to Argentina,
Rubbish. The Argentineans are Spanish colonists of South America.
The Falklands is not was was never part of South America and was never
colonised by the Spanish. The English were there first so they are British.
Why doesn't America give Hawaii back to the Japanese ?
Saint
> Disraeli was a practicing Anglican.
> We had a PRACTICING Jew
> on the ticket for Vice President (Lieberman)
> and he won the majority vote AS
> A PRACTICING Jew.
Who votes for a Vice-President ?
Saint.
PS-And if you knew anything of the world outside your few million square
miles, and checked out my name and or address you'd see I was not British.
Merely tired of your constant carping.
Saint
> Saint wrote:
> >
Well, I guess I have not been the first to ask that question, Matt. I
probably won't be the last.
Enough.
Saint.
Matt Giwer
At the time the Spanish Viceroy in Argentina may have claimed the
islands for Spain but that had nothing to do with any nation of
Argentina. It is unlikely a diplomatic deal between Spain and England
did not exist but I don't know of a specific treaty.
If there was such a claim it remained dormant until the late 1940s when
its more famous dictator (whatsisname? Madonna's husband:) began making
claims on the Islands. Also a well known US puppet dictator.
> Basically Britain's claim rested SOLELY
> on a superior navy. Similar logic is allowing
> China to claim atolls which should be properly
> Vietnamese. (Why? Oil!)
> Britain needed a whaling station...That's all,
Whatever its need at any time it currently has a majority British
descent population
> The Malvinas should revert to Argentina,
and if it is to be decided it should be by popular vote else revert to
Spain if anyone.
--
Only Israelis think murder is trivial as long as it it not Jews.
Palestinian deaths do no count for them as they do not consider
Palestinians to be human.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 277
Aggie-tom
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >You are a typical British racist! I would not be surprised if you
would
> > > >be found out to having taken part in the latest beatings of Indians
and
> > > >Pakistany people. You want to do good? Fix the social problems you
have
> > > >at home with racism, moron!
> > >
> > > If you had looked on the Aggie-Tom's name and adress, you
> > > would see that he is a Greek.
> > >
> > > Perhaps you should blame him for the Seleucid atrocities and
> > > desecration of the Temple by Antiochos - it would be even on
> > > topic on this newsgroup ( as far as such thing is possible
> > > -((((
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > > Martin
> >
> > This is very funny! Because "the Greeks" who desecrated the temple in
> > Jerusalem where Syrians.
>
> Hellenized Greco-Syrians under the Selucid Greeks.
> Probably Greco-Assyrian is a better description.
> The Syrians of today have acquired the
> questionable beneficent addition of Peninular Arabian
> genetics courtesy of 7th century jihads.
>
And what do you think the modern Jews are. 100% Arabs proven by DNA and no
differ to Palestinians and modern Syrians.
They have no reltion to the so-called "Ioudai" of the Old Testement because
these were Mittani Hittites who were Indo-Europeans. And the so-called
"Jews" of the New Testament were Ethiopian Egyptians as proven by Skull
analysis.
VonQuark
Saint wrote:
> "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:270520011011377274%>
> > Get the fuck out of Ireland. You have no business being there in the
> > first place. Bringing in British subjects to replace the Irish you
> > starved into immigrating out of Ireland. No wonder the vote is today
> > slanted toward Britain!
> >
> Well, let's see.
> A pocket history follows. I will keep it very short, so please do not
> criticize the non-existent detail. The main brushstrokes will be as close
> as early British History allows.
> Fifth century Ireland consisted of, nominally, five large provinces, often
> Kingdoms, which were sub-divided into petty kingdoms and chieftainships (the
> northernmost of which was Ulster). They were a warrior society. The raids
> on Britain (the Roman section) by the Scotti (as a large proportion of the
> Irish raiders were known to history and literature, are well documented. In
> one of those murderous raids they took captive a young Romano Briton who
> became known to the world as Patrick. Once Patrick had done his mission it
> became easier for the Anglo Saxons to establish trading stations along the
> Irish coast. It was these relatively stable and prosperous trading posts
> that were occupied by the Vikings when then descended upon the Irish to do
> unto them as they had done unto others.
> To the North and East of Ulster a very short crossing led to the lands of
> the Northern British , Strathclyde, (Welsh, to use a corrupted English word
> meaning "foreigner" or "slave") and the Picts, themselves a fierce warrior
> race.
> Ulstermen, again called "Scotti" by our sources, crossed that narrow strip
> of water and invaded Argyle, just north of the British Kingdom of
> Strathclyde. From there, over centuries of hard fighting, they conquered
> and absorbed the Picts, imposing their own native Irish Gaelic on the
> formerly Brythonic natives. Strathclyde was to hold out until the 11th C.,
> but finally succumbed.
> Thus Irish Gaelic became the language of colonial masters in Scotland, one
> might say, if the transfer of such modern concepts were not so ridiculous.
> The final section of what is now Modern Scotland, the South East, had been
> seized by the Scots from the Northumbrian English (who had conquered the
> native British statelets and imposed a ruling elite) in the 11th C. as
> well, but the English (as the Normans found), whether conqueror or
> conquered, have the tenacity to see their language prevail under most
> circumstances. And, as the focus of the Scottish State and Church moved
> down into the Lowlands, so the language of the conquered English conquered.
> Modern "Scots" is derived from Anglish.
> However, back in the Highlands an equally alien language prevailed- Irish
> Gaelic.
> Earlier Norman settlements in Ireland had not gone far beyond the Pale. The
> Anglo Irish Ascendancy of yore has largely been swallowed by Ireland (there
> is no room here for discussion of those attempts to hold Ireland, or even
> earlier Scots attempts under the Bruces), so to further the interests of
> their new nation states the Welch Tudor and Scots Stuart Monarchs of
> England, Wales, & Scotland (after James I & VI) planted colonies in
> Ireland. They mainly drew upon the rough tough Scots and Northern English
> clansmen to settle those plantations. Set a thief a catch a thief made
> eminent sense.
> So in a very real sense all those West Highland Scots names one finds in
> Ulster originated in Ulster. Their speech is that of Ulster from which
> their ancestors had left. Irish Gaelic became Scots Gaelic.
> So who brought in people from where to where ?
> The British Isles up to recently are a complicated mix of closely related
> Celts and Teutones of one sort or another.
> Irish wars of aggression against the rest of these isles is recorded far
> earlier than the reverse. So what ?. Her lost cultural offspring returned
> after a 1,000 year absence. Other States might call that a short absence.
> No, I will not ask where is their welcome "homecoming". The matter is too
> important for that.
> However, the majority of people who have settled in Ulster's 6 Counties over
> the millennia have voted to remain part of the United Kingdom.
> Much of the rest of the United Kingdom might regret the loss of life and of
> money spent defending that legitimate democratic decision, but have no real
> choice, morally or constitutionally, to do otherwise.
> Cheers,
> Saint
Cut the crap! Though Ireland was divided into 5
Kingdoms, they had a central Ard Righ which
the five kingdoms were to give tribute to.
The Ulster Scots are mainly Lowland Scots,
the descendents of Vikings and Norman
English with a minimum of Celt thrown in.
These Scots-Irish are neither Irish nor Scots,
though some intermixing has occurred by
now. They are mainly Viking in ancestry
who effect a Celtic Scots ancestry.
When the Celtic sea raiders struck Roman
Britain they were not aggressors but
merely trying to strike what had once
been theirs. The same is NOT true
of the Anglo-Saxons or Vikings.
The Irish did vote in 1917 for Independence
and again in 1919. The Irish won. But
the British ignored the democratic
majority.
The British gerrymandered the island
to get an artificial majority in the North,
They even had to gerrymand Ulster since
Donegal and Cavan and Fermanagh were
so heavily Irish they could not have held
Ulster by a majority vote. They ignored
the democratic majority in Ulster.
Then in the six counties, districts were
gerrymandered further to make
sure only Orangemen won - with
property rights, not population being
used. Six poor Irishman could not
get one vote but one rich Orangeman
with six houses could get six votes.
The British ignored democracy again.
In many areas if it looked like the Irish
might secure a local majority, they
were burned off the land. About
25,000 were forced to flee in 1969
after Orange mobs undemocratically
attacked their neighborhood and
burned them out..
In fact, in at least 2 of the six counties,
the Irish are in such a majority that even all of
Britain's prejudicial laws could not totally
subject them. Though they were denied
control of the city gov't in (London)Derry
where they are a clear majority by illegal
voting frauds, property requirements, and
such. Only in the 70s, did the British stop
this. The British ignored democratic
majorities in Armagh and (London)Derry.
Until the 1970s, the British rigged
elections in (London)Derry and Armagh.
And as early as the 1940s, the British
were thinking of restoring (London)Derry
and Armagh to the Irish but the
Irish said they wanted all six back,
not part of the stolen province. Since that
would have left the other 4 counties even
more undemocratically concentrated artificially
with Unionists. The Irish refused to participate
in further British artificial creations of Orange
majorities, knowing that time was on their
side. Demographics are on the side of the Irish.
The present struggle up there started
when the Irish protested this artificial
monstrosity was undemocratic and
were shot by British soldiers starting in
1969! Orange mobs attacked them.
British soldiers shot innocents during
Bloody Sunday. While the British
army first went in to separate them,
they soon started favoring the Orange
and suhjecting the Irish to abuse.
Now you can say what you want!
I do NOT care if you support the British.
That is your business.
But none of what the British did was democratic!
You are entitled to your opinions, not your facts.
Ulster is merely Britain defending compatriots
put there to control the Irish - who over
the centuries have proven they will NOT
be controlled by the British. Britain is responsible
for the mess which was the result of British
arrogance and undemocratic policies.
Britain should declare that on such and such
a date they will leave. The Orange are to
become Irish or, if they want to remain English,
relocate. The choice is theirs.
You can plead Nationalism but do NOT
plead democracy to defend the British.
As for comparing them to the PLO
this is another false lie.
The IRA does not want to destroy England,
merely to get Ulster back.
The PLO wants to destroy Israel.
These are not similar cases. And I am
tired of them being compared by the
historically illiterate. I do not
care who you root for; but get your
facts straight.
Matt Giwer
Correct, you are not the first. And in many people asking, not one
person has provided physical evidence to the level commonly required
here for the other matters I mentioned. I am still waiting. I get
everything but physical evidence.
--
The Hansen Brothers are my kind of debaters.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 623
Albert Reingewirtz
<sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I deo not give a rqat's ass about what you think of me, moron!
>Even my nationality is a mystery to
> you.
Not a mistery since I do not give a rat's ass about you.
Albert Reingewirtz
<sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hey moron! In your last message you asked me how do I know that you
aren't a Zionis! That is how I know, moron! Reading your garbage.
> We agree that the historical foundations of Zionism might be questionable
> We agree that they have, in the pursuit of safety, performed terrible deeds.
We agree? Go away piece of shit!
Albert Reingewirtz
Kuettner <mik...@eunet.at> wrote:
> Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:280520010616489967%alb...@nethere.com...
> > In article <7VoQ6.7812$WD.19...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Saint
> > <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> > My interest in British history is very limited I bore easily with your
> > crap about kings and Lords. The fact is that the potato famine was
> > totally fabricated by Britain because Irish potatoes were available in
> > Britain while not in Ireland. Thus the emptying of Catholic Irish from
> > Ireland followed.
> >
> Ah - you bore easily about a subject and still feel free to
> postulate about it.
> You still sound like a moron.
I have no more interest in the history of Britain than I have about the
history of the dj'in of the desert. Why shouyld I be interested in
Lords, Kings, Queens or in the Magna Carta that specifically excluded
my people from rights?
> <snip>
>
> > Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do
> well
> > to stick it up their ass!
> You still sound like a moron.
> And why is it always "British antisemites" ?
Because all of a sudden a bunch of British antisemites started posting
in this Jewish group. That's why.
>
> > Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
> > it's very existence. Go away!
> Strangely, I have to agree here with you (to some degree).
> If you would have taken the time to slightly rephrase
> the above, you could have written :
> "Israels first obligation as a state is to defend its citizens."
> That would be a true statement and nobody would have any
> beef with that. I expect the same from my country, too.
> So, if you want to speak up for Israel, please be more articulate.
>
> Regards,
How many times do you think I should post exactly the same as the above?
Albert Reingewirtz
Kuettner <mik...@eunet.at> wrote:
> Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:280520011210015034%alb...@nethere.com...
> > In article <vPvQ6.8935$WD.23...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Saint
> > <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> > > What crap about Lords and Kings ?
> > > This newsgroup covers the early period of my posting, and the
> conclusions
> > > grew out of the main body.
> > > If the period bores you, why proselytise ?
> >
> > Moron! I do not proselytize since I am a Jewish atheist. Beside, Jews
> > never look to convert anyone. Only Christians and Muslim do this
> stupid
> > thing.
> >
> My dear little moron; what he meant was that you are preaching instead
> of arguing.
> Now I see; this is cross-posted to soc.culture.israel. This would mean
> that you are an agent of Arafat; you certainly do your best to make
> Israelis seem like a lot of idiots (My apologies to all sane people on
> s.c.i.).
You are such an idiot! I post from it for years. Indeed you need to
apologize to all of us.
>
> > > The potato famine is rather off-topic.
> >
> > Nope it isn't because speaking of votes today in Northern Ireland
> after
> > the country was emptied by the potato famine created by "her
> majesty's"
> > government is exactly of major importance to the subject at hand.
> > British subjects should look at home if they want to insure morality
> > first before pointing fingers at Israel in the fight for it's
> > existence.
> Err - this is soc.history.ancient. The thread is cross-posted.
> Another clue : If you want to drive home a point, check your facts.
> Argue *with* facts; be prepared to get some different points of view.
> Argue with reason and in a polite manner. Then people will take
> you seriously.
> Or : Continue to foam at the mouth and be laughed at.
> It's your choice.
I never cross post to any group but answer to posts in this group. If
you have a beef against cross posters you have the wrong address.
> <snip>
> > Poor little Moron! In fact I have great knowledge of our history in
> > fact I regard historical knowledge of my nation, the Jews as
> > primordial. Britain closest ally of Israel? I think not! You probably
> > meant the USA's. Nothing to be proud off!
> See what I mean ?
Yes I see what you mean mister snipping parts pertaining to my answer.
Go away!
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Kuettner
Albert Reingewirtz
<vonq...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yea! Give it to them! Ireland has to become free from colonial England
in it's entirety, the sooner the better. I hate colonialism.
Albert Reingewirtz
Kuettner <mik...@eunet.at> wrote:
> Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:280520010621498100%alb...@nethere.com...
> > In article <URmQ6.22$XO5....@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>, Michael Kuettner
> > <mik...@eunet.at> wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> > This is very funny!
> Indeed; the fun is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> > Putting British colonizers on an Island and later
> > speaking of their vote for Britain!
> I've never seen anybody building an argument -
How did you get ourt of my kill file snipper?
Matt Giwer
>
> In article <75AQ6.482$XO5....@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>, Michael
> Kuettner <mik...@eunet.at> wrote:
>
> > Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> > news:280520010616489967%alb...@nethere.com...
> > > In article <7VoQ6.7812$WD.19...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> > Saint
> > > <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > My interest in British history is very limited I bore easily with your
> > > crap about kings and Lords. The fact is that the potato famine was
> > > totally fabricated by Britain because Irish potatoes were available in
> > > Britain while not in Ireland. Thus the emptying of Catholic Irish from
> > > Ireland followed.
> > >
> > Ah - you bore easily about a subject and still feel free to
> > postulate about it.
> > You still sound like a moron.
>
> I have no more interest in the history of Britain than I have about the
> history of the dj'in of the desert. Why shouyld I be interested in
> Lords, Kings, Queens or in the Magna Carta that specifically excluded
> my people from rights?
The Magna Carta did not explicitely exclude atheists from any rights.
> > > Thus any British antisemite pointing the finger at Israel would do
> > well
> > > to stick it up their ass!
> > You still sound like a moron.
> > And why is it always "British antisemites" ?
>
> Because all of a sudden a bunch of British antisemites started posting
> in this Jewish group. That's why.
soc.culture.israel is not an explicitely jewish group. And you aren't
Jewish you are an atheist. Israel's majority culture is European these
days.
Do you know anything that is correct?
> > > Israel has nothing to be ashamed defending
> > > it's very existence. Go away!
> > Strangely, I have to agree here with you (to some degree).
> > If you would have taken the time to slightly rephrase
> > the above, you could have written :
> > "Israels first obligation as a state is to defend its citizens."
> > That would be a true statement and nobody would have any
> > beef with that. I expect the same from my country, too.
> > So, if you want to speak up for Israel, please be more articulate.
> >
> > Regards,
>
> How many times do you think I should post exactly the same as the above?
Try articulate next time.
--
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions
where do bad intentions lead?
-- The Iron Webmaster, 508
Matt Giwer
But love the squatters in lands where they never lived.
--
Outraged, noun, verb, adjective, adverb. political cliche.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 553
Albert Reingewirtz
<vonq...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Agreed but the French have nothing to give to the British when speaking
of racism. They arrested my mother and father, put them in French
concentration camps before shipping them to their death at Auszchwitz.
Bidonvilles next to every major French city populated with Africans and
Arabs for cheap labor is another indication of their perenial racism
Albert Reingewirtz
<cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
> "VonQuark" <vonq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:3B12D386...@mindspring.com...
> >
> > If I remember correctly the first recorded claim
> > was by an American whaler. The Argentians
> > no doubt used it as a fishing station. There
> > are islands in the Pacific today uninhabited
> > yet claimed by America, Britain, Australia,
> > and France. Hence Britain was not engaging
> > in a legal takeover. The island is properly
> > Argentinian, If habitability is the key, the
> > Russians could claim some islands in the Aluetians
> > by dropping anchor..
> >
> > Basically Britain's claim rested SOLELY
> > on a superior navy. Similar logic is allowing
> > China to claim atolls which should be properly
> > Vietnamese. (Why? Oil!)
> >
> > Britain needed a whaling station...That's all,
> >
> > The Malvinas should revert to Argentina,
>
> Rubbish. The Argentineans are Spanish colonists of South America.
>
Argentinians will be happy to find out that they were mistaken. They
are really Spanish!
> The Falklands is not was was never part of South America and was never
> colonised by the Spanish. The English were there first so they are British.
According to the British colonial office?
>
> Why doesn't America give Hawaii back to the Japanese ?
Why not to the Martians? Hawaii was never part of Japan and is now one
of the states. If the USA should have to give back Hawaii it would have
to be to the Hawaii people but not before England disgorge Scotland,
Some Islands in La Manche, Whales ...
Albert Reingewirtz
<sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Who cares!
I am merely pointing out facts that racists who point the finger at
Israel should first point the finger at themselves. As it stands,
Israel has nothing to be ashamed off defending itself.
Marcello Fabretti
vonq...@mindspring.com wrote on 29/5/01 6:39 AM:
Posession is 9/10ths of the law is it not?
Marcello
Albert Reingewirtz
<cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
There you go! The latest invention of antisemites served chilled by
none other than a British antisemite. They come out of the wood work
these days! You do not have enough attacking Asians in Britain that you
must set your aim far a field?
>
> They have no reltion to the so-called "Ioudai" of the Old Testement because
> these were Mittani Hittites who were Indo-Europeans. And the so-called
> "Jews" of the New Testament were Ethiopian Egyptians as proven by Skull
> analysis.
Moron! What next? Killing of Christian babies for matsa and then The
Elders of Zion? You are worst than a bed bug!
Thomas Beck
> > > How many languages do
> > > you speak?
> >
> > Two. And my second not as well as I wish.
>
> I speak three and understand bits in two more. English was not my
> language until way up there in my years.
I must say, your ideas are clearly expressed, and since
that's the whole point of language anyway, I guess I
shouldn't be too critical.
Matt Giwer
If it is reasonable to blame all French for the actions of some then it
is also reasonable to blame all Jews for the actions of some.
Is that about how it goes?
--
Scruples taste best with garlic butter.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 609
Matt Giwer
>
> In article <9eukdk$gri$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Aggie-tom
> <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
>
> > "VonQuark" <vonq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:3B12D386...@mindspring.com...
> > >
> > > If I remember correctly the first recorded claim
> > > was by an American whaler. The Argentians
> > > no doubt used it as a fishing station. There
> > > are islands in the Pacific today uninhabited
> > > yet claimed by America, Britain, Australia,
> > > and France. Hence Britain was not engaging
> > > in a legal takeover. The island is properly
> > > Argentinian, If habitability is the key, the
> > > Russians could claim some islands in the Aluetians
> > > by dropping anchor..
> > >
> > > Basically Britain's claim rested SOLELY
> > > on a superior navy. Similar logic is allowing
> > > China to claim atolls which should be properly
> > > Vietnamese. (Why? Oil!)
> > >
> > > Britain needed a whaling station...That's all,
> > >
> > > The Malvinas should revert to Argentina,
> >
> > Rubbish. The Argentineans are Spanish colonists of South America.
> Argentinians will be happy to find out that they were mistaken. They
> are really Spanish!
Who found this idiot or did he volunteer for "Make Fun of the
Handicapped Week"?
Zionist lie, Palestine, a land without a people. Now the Argentine was
a land without a people.
> > The Falklands is not was was never part of South America and was never
> > colonised by the Spanish. The English were there first so they are British.
>
> According to the British colonial office?
The same Britain which brought us the abomination of the Balfour
Declaration.
> > Why doesn't America give Hawaii back to the Japanese ?
> Why not to the Martians? Hawaii was never part of Japan and is now one
> of the states.
But the Tahitians conquered it fair and square so it is theirs, no?
> If the USA should have to give back Hawaii it would have
> to be to the Hawaii people but not before England disgorge Scotland,
> Some Islands in La Manche, Whales ...
The Hawaiian people or the Tahitians?
--
Mother Theresa may have been great but who has
paid attention to Father Theresa?
-- The Iron Webmaster, 303
VonQuark
Matt Giwer wrote:
Polynesians! But clearly Japan has no claim to it!
Hawaii was an independent state in its own right.
Before 1893 it was a Kingdom of semi-Westernized
Polynesians under a British protectorate status.
A coup took it over in 1893, supported by
American marines. Britain's protection was worthless,
though the Canadian Pacific railway was considering
a concession with them - the first step on British
imperial control. American marines beat out
Canadian imperialists.
In 1898 it was annexed.
It was fated to be an American state or a Canadian
province. The Canadians lost.
Japan cannot claim it.
Matt Giwer
>
> In article <ctAQ6.9885$WD.26...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Saint
> <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > "VonQuark" <vonq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:3B12D119...@mindspring.com...
> > > Disraeli was a practicing Anglican.
> > > We had a PRACTICING Jew
> > > on the ticket for Vice President (Lieberman)
> > > and he won the majority vote AS
> > > A PRACTICING Jew.
> >
> > Who votes for a Vice-President ?
> > Saint.
> > PS-And if you knew anything of the world outside your few million square
> > miles, and checked out my name and or address you'd see I was not British.
> > Merely tired of your constant carping.
>
> Who cares!
That you are inarticulate? You should be.
> I am merely pointing out facts that racists who point the finger at
> Israel should first point the finger at themselves. As it stands,
> Israel has nothing to be ashamed off defending itself.
Defending itself from stone throwing children using lethal force
because "one million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail" as
Ben-Gurion said before cheering Knesset.
--
Liberals and communists and revenoorers are why
they invented plinking rifles.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 374
Matt Giwer
And published by Jewish researchers. Must be self-hating to report
their findings without religious censorship.
> > They have no reltion to the so-called "Ioudai" of the Old Testement because
> > these were Mittani Hittites who were Indo-Europeans. And the so-called
> > "Jews" of the New Testament were Ethiopian Egyptians as proven by Skull
> > analysis.
> Moron! What next? Killing of Christian babies for matsa and then The
> Elders of Zion? You are worst than a bed bug!
Herzl and Jabotinsky are much worse than the book.
--
Conformity to social norms is the mark of
a mediocre person.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 498
Aggie-tom
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1715-640
Jared 962 @malelel165 |
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1675-14
Lamech 753 @math167 |
1675-1613 (873) (12:33>14:33) |
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Noah 950 @lamech188 |
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roge
Sorry about the confusion but I have hay fever at the moment
which is a bit like a cold.
I.ve been planting strawberries,lillies,rhubard,sunflowers,coleus
etc so I can't concentrate
Roge
"Saint" <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:D9oQ6.7753$WD.19...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>
> "roge" <ro...@down52.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:9es5lb$9o9$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> > news:270520011432365851%alb...@nethere.com...
> > > In article <9erl4d$ovh$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Aggie-tom
> > > <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:270520011011377274%alb...@nethere.com...
> > > > > In article <%d8Q6.4082$lm5.6...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> > Saint
> > > > > <sai...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You are a typical British racist! I would not be surprised if you
would
> > > be found out to having taken part in the latest beatings of Indians
and
> > > Pakistany people. You want to do good? Fix the social problems you
have
> > > at home with racism, moron!
> >
> Hey, Roge, I was the one being accused by an arse-hole of being a British
> racist !.
> Please snip more carefully !
> Anyhow, perhaps you could have gone into a little more detail about a
> basically unarmed British police-force going in and confronting a heavily
> armed crowd (crowbars, Molotov cocktails et al), and not shooting one ?
> Cheers,
> Saint
>
>
Aggie-tom
"Aggie-tom" <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message news:9euvr9$sep$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk...
Further to the original post I've now managed to solve the last remaining conflicts in the Pre-Kassite king list and proved beyond doubt that these were Babylonian kings.The bible gives Enoch as living only 365 years and this would prevent his reign being calculated. It also give Methuselah's age as too long and Lamech's as too short.The way the error in Enoch's age came about is obvious one you consider that these figure refer to lunar months and were written in Sexagesimal, the number system of the Babylonians.In Sexagesimal 365 is 6x60+5. What has happened is that in the conversion the ten has been dropped. thus Enochs age should be like the rest of the ages, 16x60+5 = 965 lunar months.Methuselah's given age would make his reign overlap that of Lamech and Noah and post date the flood thus it must be reduced again using Sexagesimal notation.Lamech's age is not in keeping with those of the other kings and again the error is in the Sexagesimal.
1715-640 Jared 962 @malelel165
1702-672 Enoch 365 @jared162
1688-10 Mathusala 969 @enoch165
1702-1624 (965) (6:5>16:5)1688-1619 (849) (16:9>14:9)1675-14 Lamech 753 @math167
1612 Noahs Flood1675-1613
1660-1583 Noah 950 @lamech188
1620-1572 Shem
Larry R
Sepahardic congregation. It was at this time he had his son Benjamin
baptized because of political and social discrimination in 1816 England.
But like the horse you can take to water, but can't make him drink, Disraeli
said of the people he sprang from, and wrote the following:" Jews, that is
the aristocracy of nature, the purest race, the chosen people".
LARRY R.news:3B12D119...@mindspring.com...
>
>
> Saint wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Another Yank totally unaware of the extent of British Political
Tolerance.
> > UK voters tend to vote for a set of policies, not a religious
background -
>
> Not so!
>
> > As far as strictly Jews go, when are you going to match Disraeli's
> > premiership with a Jew in The US ?.
>
> Disraeli was a practicing Anglican.
> We had a PRACTICING Jew
> on the ticket for Vice President (Lieberman)
> and he won the majority vote AS
> A PRACTICING Jew.
>
>
> > The proportion of senior Jewish politicians in
> > Maggie Thatcher's Government was close on
> > 40 % at one time,
>
> I think Clinton's was higher.
>
> > A nation which gave up her Empire mostly
> > peaceably and amicably <...>
>
> If one ignores
>
> The Hundred Years War in France!
> The American Revolution,
> Canadian Rebellions (1837)
> Australian Rebellion (1853)
> The Boer War
> Irish Revolution (1916-21)
> The Irgun and Haggannah (1940s)
> anti-British campaign
> The Mau Mau Rebellion 1950s.
> The continuing struggle in Ulster
> The Amistar Massacre of 379 Indians killed,
> 1500 wounded.
> The Sepoy Rebellion (1850s)
> Gandhis campaign of Civil Disobedience.
>
> When will you quit Ulster peaceably
> and the Malvinas?!
>
> BTW, did you aquire the Empire peaceably?!
>
>
>
> Yeah, you lest peacably and amicably!
> Gimme a break.
>
>
>
Norma Blankenfeld
Thank you Aggie-tom (or A A B or A A) for revisiting this bit of
"preaching" on us all AGAIN!!! Give it up....
"Aggie-tom" <cyprusandhe...@i.am-SPAM-TRAP> wrote in message
news:9eun0t$jqo$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk...
>
> "VonQuark" <vonq...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:3B12D5A3...@mindspring.com...
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >You are a typical British racist! I would not be surprised if you
> would
> > > > >be found out to having taken part in the latest beatings of Indians
> and
> > > > >Pakistany people. You want to do good? Fix the social problems you
> have
> > > > >at home with racism, moron!
> > > >
> > > > If you had looked on the Aggie-Tom's name and adress, you
> > > > would see that he is a Greek.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you should blame him for the Seleucid atrocities and
> > > > desecration of the Temple by Antiochos - it would be even on
> > > > topic on this newsgroup ( as far as such thing is possible
> > > > -((((
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > >
> > > This is very funny! Because "the Greeks" who desecrated the temple in
> > > Jerusalem where Syrians.
> >
> > Hellenized Greco-Syrians under the Selucid Greeks.
> > Probably Greco-Assyrian is a better description.
> > The Syrians of today have acquired the
> > questionable beneficent addition of Peninular Arabian
> > genetics courtesy of 7th century jihads.
> >
>
> And what do you think the modern Jews are. 100% Arabs proven by DNA and no
> differ to Palestinians and modern Syrians.
>
Matt Giwer
I didn't bring up Japan. I brought up the known history of the Sandwich
Islands. I know the history is more detailed than I know and strongly
presume more detailed than the royal we knows. See Mitchner's
description of the greatest sea invasion in human history in Hawaii.
While we may have a group we call Polynesians, Tahitians and Hawaiians
clearly saw themselves as different. Our distinctions or lack of same
are to be imposed? Sort of like considering Libyans and Italians the
same because they are both Mediterraneans.
> Hawaii was an independent state in its own right.
And it was indendent before the 17th century invasion by Tahiti. Which
is to be honored?
> Before 1893 it was a Kingdom of semi-Westernized
> Polynesians under a British protectorate status.
For which I am certain they have never had the common courtesy to
express their profound gratitude. Nothing I have read indicates
Kamehameha or Lialukalani appreciated it in any manner. But perhaps
their subjects appreciated clothing and sin and daily labor in exchange
for a modestly care free life with abundant food sources replaced by
western plantations. The paltry income permitting them to buy imported
cloth and food to replace the resources destroyed by the plantations.
Our local zionist fanatic expects as much for as little from the
Palestinians.
> A coup took it over in 1893, supported by
> American marines. Britain's protection was worthless,
> though the Canadian Pacific railway was considering
> a concession with them - the first step on British
> imperial control. American marines beat out
> Canadian imperialists.
> In 1898 it was annexed.
> It was fated to be an American state or a Canadian
> province. The Canadians lost.
> Japan cannot claim it.
--
Timothy McVeigh should not be executed
before Reno.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 810
Matt Giwer
>
> Thank you Aggie-tom (or A A B or A A) for revisiting this bit of
> "preaching" on us all AGAIN!!! Give it up....
As we know Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Biblical Israel and the rest
are pure mythology and as we can trace the origins of a polytheistic
early version of Judaism to the Macabbees trying to sell their right to
the land to the Macedonians (who ridiculed the uneducated attempt) it is
certainly reasonable to see what blanks we can fill in.
Soc.history.ancient here. If you have a religion, physical evidence or
forget it.
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Norma Blankenfeld
> Norma Blankenfeld wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Aggie-tom (or A A B or A A) for revisiting this bit of
> > "preaching" on us all AGAIN!!! Give it up....
>
> As we know Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Biblical Israel and the rest
> are pure mythology and as we can trace the origins of a polytheistic
> early version of Judaism to the Macabbees trying to sell their right to
> the land to the Macedonians (who ridiculed the uneducated attempt) it is
> certainly reasonable to see what blanks we can fill in.
And what of Mohammed, Ali, and the Muslim scholars?? I know you think
everything that you don't write is mythology, but we certainly can differ on
that can't we? You are a multi-faceted person, hmmmm? Norma
Matt Giwer
>
> "Matt Giwer" <jul...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3B130E81...@tampabay.rr.com...
> > Norma Blankenfeld wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you Aggie-tom (or A A B or A A) for revisiting this bit of
> > > "preaching" on us all AGAIN!!! Give it up....
> >
> > As we know Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Biblical Israel and the rest
> > are pure mythology and as we can trace the origins of a polytheistic
> > early version of Judaism to the Macabbees trying to sell their right to
> > the land to the Macedonians (who ridiculed the uneducated attempt) it is
> > certainly reasonable to see what blanks we can fill in.
>
> And what of Mohammed, Ali, and the Muslim scholars?? I know you think
> everything that you don't write is mythology, but we certainly can differ on
> that can't we? You are a multi-faceted person, hmmmm? Norma
Educated know anyone what I have written is correct. If you do not know
those things then you are uneducated and perhaps illiterate to boot.
Essential to the cultural myth of present day Israel, there was never a
biblical Israel nor a Solomon nor anything which might be called
Solomon's kingdom and of course no Temple of Solomon. Just as there was
no Jesus there was neither Abraham nor Moses.
Get an education and perhaps a life. Childlike faith does not change
reality. Educated people know better than you.
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VonQuark
Matt Giwer wrote:
In trying to track down the source, the
most reliable I could come up with is this:
http://www.iap.org/zionism.htm
This is a pro-Arab page and they credit it
to the NY TIMES 2/27/94:
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish
fingernail."
-- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
Another source
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0199/9901078.html
also credits Perrin, not Ben-Gurion
Not an Israeli official and not before the
Knesset. I think you are confusing the story
of a report in TIME, IIRC, where Menachim
Begin referred to the Arabs as grasshoppers,
and again NOT before the Knesset.
Well, at least he did not call the Arabs
the Islamic entity or the Great Satan.
Your history and citations are sloppy, Giwer.