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PETITION to ARREST war criminals Karadzic & Mladic

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PETITION to Arrest Karadzic and Mladic

WE NEED YOUR SIGNATURE!

English:

We the undersigned feel that it is the moral duty of our governments
to order their troops in Bosnia to immediately arrest Radovan Karadzic
and Ratko Mladic- who have been charged by the International War
Crimes Tribunal at the Hague with genocide and crimes against
humanity.

Bosnian:

Potpisnici ovih redova osjecaju da je moralna duznost nase vlade da
naredi svojim trupama hapsenje Radovana Karadzica i Ratka Mladica koji
su optuzeni za ratne zlocine i zlocine protiv covjecanstva na sudjenju
u Internacionalnom Tribunalu za ratne zlocine u Den Hagu.

German:

Die Unterzeichner dieser Petition betrachten den Befehl zur Festnahme
des Radovan Karadzic und Ratko Mladic von der Seite unserer Regierung
als ihre moralische Pflicht. Die beiden sind beim Internationalen
Kriegsverbrecher Tribunal in Den Haag fuer die Kriegsverbrechen und
das Verbrechen gegen Menschlichkeit verurteilt worden.

French:

Nous, soussignes, croyons qu'il est du devoir moral de nos
gouvernements de donner l'ordre a nos troupes en Bosnie d'arreter
immediatement Radovan Karadzic et Ratko Mladic qui ont ete
formellement accuses de crimes contre l'humanite et de genocide par le
Tribunal international de La Haye.

Italian:
I sottoscritti sentono obbligo morale di nostro governo di ordinare al
proprio esercito, presente in Bosnia, immediato arresto di Radovan
Karadzic e Ratko Mladic, ricercati da Tribunale Internazionale di Aia
per crimini di guerra e crimini contro l humanite.

To sign or to help circulate the petition please contact:


Dzevat Omeragic: dze...@MCMASTER.CA

or

Stephen Albert: alb...@infobahnos.com


Damir Tomicic <Damir....@rzmail.uni-erlangen.de>
Nuremberg, Germany

Omer Ayan (Australia, Visegrad) <omer...@hutch.com.au>
Almasa Ayan (Australia, Zivinice)
Suleyman Ayan (Australia, Visegrad)
mr. Sabit I. Milinkich (Australia, Tuzla)
Dr. Mustafa Karavdic (Australia, Visoko)
Alija Ramic (Australia, Rogatica)
Muriz Delic (Australia, Sandzak)
Kasim Dlakic (Australia, Visoko)
Nazif Efica (Australia, Sarajevo)
Asja Efica (Australia, Sarajevo)
Dzevdet Alic (Australia, Srebrenica)
Bayron Helich, OAM,JP (Australia, Sanski Most)
Sydney, Australia

Nalini Lasiewicz <Lasie...@aol.com>
Los Angeles, USA

Jonathan Kofman <kof...@bille.ppc.engga.uwo.ca>
Sahza Hatibovic-Kofman
London, Ontario, Canada
Tilla Kofman, Quebec, Canada

Vanja Filipovic <vfil...@haverford.edu>
Senka Filipovic
Mirza Filipovic
Haverford, USA

Edin Omeragic <BGH...@prodigy.com>
New Jersey, USA

Dinko Dedic <de...@vossnet.co.uk>
UK

C. Benjamin Flynn <cfl...@haverford.edu>
Haverford, USA

Naida Lacevic <na...@pha.jhu.edu>
Baltimore, USA

Aris Basic <ar...@pwe.augusta.de>
Germany

Agostinho M. Silva Ferreira <am...@mail.telepac.pt>

Dzenan Sahovic <gi...@algonet.se>
Ume=E5, Sweden)

Dr. Boris Voh <Bor...@aol.com>
Suzanne Nashem Voh
USA

Jane Floor <flo...@online.no>
Stavanger, Norway

Galina Schneider <Gali...@aol.com>
USA

Muhidin (Dino) Lelic <mle...@empros.com>
Brooklyn Park, MN, USA

Mirna Dzamonja <dzam...@cms.wisc.edu>
Madison, Wisconsin

Adnan Smajlovic <as...@spectranet.ca>
Irena Smajlovic
Mississauga, Canada

Ognjen Sokolovic <og...@triad.org>
Mississauga, Canada

Boris Petrovchich <Bor...@aol.com>
American Committee Supporting
DEMOCRACY IN BOSNIA AND CROATIA
USA

Glenn Ruga <visu...@igc.apc.org>
Friends of Bosnia, Western Massachusetts
USA

Kenan Avdic <ke...@spddata.se>
Sweden

Mirela Avdich <ck...@soho.ios.com>
Christopher Barone
Havertown, PA, USA

Aida Premilovac <apre...@brynmawr.edu>
USA

Faris Hadrovic <per...@brainy1.ie-eg.com>
USA

Nusret Suvalic <nsuv...@public.srce.hr>
Zagreb, Croatia

James Lockwood <lock...@rockisland.com>
USA

Paul Garrin <feed...@Mediafilter.org>
USA

Edvina Uzunovic
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

Dubravka Bodulovic <agt...@tpgi.com.au>
Zeljko Bodulovic
Canberra, Australia

Marko Puljic <mad...@mcs.com>
USA

Safet Mangic <safe...@wantree.com.au>
Australia

Alma Begicevic <abe...@luc.edu>
Chicago, USA

Izudin Lelic <ile...@empros.com>
Brooklyn Park, MN, USA

Amir Imamovic <imam...@highnet.co.at>
Austria

Julie Pavlon <JPA...@ACC.FAU.EDU>
Florida, USA

Memisevic Ermin <er...@xpoint.at>
Wien, Austria

Murat Erkocevic <merk...@qntm.com>
Milpitas CA, USA
Jocelyn W.L. Lau
Santa Clara, CA, USA
Fehma Erkocevic
Tuzla, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Nader Hashemi <nhas...@ccs.carleton.ca>
Ottawa, Canada

Michael A. Sells <mse...@haverford.edu>
Haverford, USA

Ursula Lindenberg <U.M.R...@bradford.ac.uk>
Bradford University, UK

Ivica Zaher <iv...@iconnect.net>
Croatia

Len Biser <petr...@usa.pipeline.com>
USA

Frank Tiggelaar <fra...@euronet.nl>
Ahmed Chamka
Eudia & Esdey Simson
Mirenko Ivir
Amsterdam, Holland

Thomas Cushman <TCUS...@WELLESLEY.EDU>
Wellesley, MA, USA

Richard J. Green <r...@lyman.Stanford.EDU>
Stanford, CA, USA

Namik Hrle
Boeblingen, Germany

Kemal Krulch <Kemal_...@sednet.sudburyp.edu.on.ca>
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

Emir Arslanagic <ears...@wam.umd.edu>
USA

Dr. Robert Aziz Mayanovic <ram...@cnas.smsu.edu>
USA

Jean Roy <alb...@infobahnos.com>
Marie Sterlin
David Muhlstock
Maureen Doyle
Stephane Gelinas
Ruth Albert
Beverly Smith
Diane McAuley
Sian Robinson
Barb Howard
Emma Mason
Deena Mayken
Montreal, Quebec, Canada

T.T. Gerritsen <tanno.g...@tip.nl>
Holland

Mahir Sokolija <10025...@CompuServe.COM>
Sejdefa Sokolija
Naser Custovic
Dinka Custovic
Almedin Salcin
Amela Salcin
Hamdija Alibasic
Mustafa Ohranovic
Melbourne, Australia

VELIMIR WITTNER <VWit...@public.srce.hr>
ALAN WITTNER
VJERA WITTNER
Zagreb, Croatia

Mike Rothenberg <rot...@leland.stanford.edu>
Stanford, CA, USA

Tomislav Kundic <tomi...@tapir.caltech.edu>
Pasadena, CA, USA

Lisa Gleeson

Stanko Barle <ba...@rentec.com>
Stony Brook, NY, USA

Ubejd B. Mujagic <umu...@comp.uark.edu>
AK, USA

Sheri Fink <sher...@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Stanford, CA, USA

Nermin Zukic <n6z...@sms.business.uwo.ca>
Ottawa, Canada

Snjezana Delibasic <sde...@idirect.com>
Samir Delibasic
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Emin Kulic <KULIC%SAKACS0...@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU>
Saudi Arabia

Dzevad Muftic <MUF...@mp3nis01.eskom.co.za>
Johannesburg, South Africa

Susan Cairn <ca...@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Rich Cairn
Minneapolis, MN, USA

Dzevat Omeragic <dze...@mcmaster.ca>
Nermana Foco
Nidzara Omeragic
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Jasminko Beso <jb...@ix.netcom.com>
USA

Dragan Mirkovic <mirk...@iastate.edu>
Ames, IA, USA

mladen komnenic <mladen_...@mindlink.bc.ca>
BC, Canada


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New York, New York, USA

Davor Wagner <dwa...@mailbox.syr.edu>
Syracuse, NY, USA

Edis Tokovic <tok...@udmercy.edu>
Detroit, MI, USA

Miro Curac (mac...@ucdavis.edu)
Nick Curac
Linda Curac
Tamara Curac
Ivan Curac
Petromila Rabak
Mike Rabak
Susan Rabak
Marion Rabak
Davis, CO, USA

Vesna Karavdic <mk...@uow.edu.au>
Munib Karavdic
Wollongong, Australia

Michael R. Foreman
Maurice, La, USA

Samir Camdzic <sa...@msp.sc.ti.com>
USA

Susan Silk <SILKT...@aol.com>
Bob Silk
USA

Catherine Hudson
Hamilton, ON, CANADA

Omer A. Suleimanagich
Los Angeles, CA, USA

Richard Weijens <riw...@pi.net>
Haarlem, Nederland

Peter Lenstra <plen...@pi.net>
The Netherlands

Marco Dings (Marco...@HTA.nl)
The Netherlands

J.A.J. Engelen <eng...@plex.nl>
The Netherlands

Ruud Olthoff <olth...@pi.net>
Westerhaar, The Netherlands

Jaap van den Berg <jvdberg...@pi.net>
The Netherlands

hanskp <han...@knoware.nl>
The Netherlands

Adi Imsirovic <imsi...@sunoil.demon.co.uk>
London, UK

Jaap Kries <dj...@monet.telebyte.nl>
Den Bosch, The Netherlands

Erwin Hans <ha...@ecn.nl>
Alkmaar, The Netherlands

Edwin van Dongen <evd...@dds.nl>
Tilburg, Holland

Erik Zebregs <erik.z...@surfnet.nl>
Den Bosch, The Netherlands

G. Huigen <g.hu...@wtb.tue.nl>
Eindhoven, Holland

HUSO NERETLJAK <PVOV....@MEMO.VOLVO.SE>
Sweden

Andrea Kramer <kra...@terena.nl>
Amsterdam, Holland

Jill Rogers <rog...@mendel.berkeley.edu>
Albany, CA, USA

Jaap Kloosterziel <jaa...@pi.net>
Epe, The Netherlands

Bart-Jan Flos <B.J....@Kub.nl>
Tilburg, The Netherlands
013-5433683

Jeffry van Meer <j...@concepts.nl>
Roosendaal, The Hetherlands

Mauricio Guzman <man...@cwo.com>
USA

Almin Muratagic <almin_m...@notes.frontec.se>
Sweden

Andrew Boyd <a...@stw.org>
Jamaica Plain, MA, USA

Hako Olevic <hol...@ix16.ix.netcom.com>
New York, USA

MIdhat Voloder <pvov....@memo.volvo.se>
Sweden

Mediha Fejzagic DiMartino <jmdi...@deltanet.com>
Mirza Ajanovic
Dijana Ihas
Sandra Horo
Amela Hadzihasanovic
Nermin Hadzihasanovic
Gerald DiMartino
Robert Kaplan
Janine Kaplan
Jody Brass
Irena Petkovska
Paul Abrams
Linda Gulicia
Jerry Gulicia
Lara Maniaci
Sead Fejzagic
Kanita Fejzagic
Besim Fejzagic
Muvedeta Fejzagic
Ferhat Fejzagic
Jasmina Kamal
Eyad Kamal
San Francisco, CA, USA

Gert Bijl <gert...@tip.nl>
Nieuwegein, The Netherlands

Dirk Koster <kos...@bart.nl>
The Netherlands

Lotte Ivarson <lo...@fanzine.se>
Sweden

Kvesic Zeljko <zeljko...@student.uni-ulm.de>
Ulm, Germany

Terence Tynan <Terenc...@msn.com>
Portland, OR, USA

Mirza Balic <afc...@mindspring.com>
Atlanta, GA, USA

Jon Ingjaldsson <ps...@psych.uib.no>
Bergen, Norge

Charles Fox <cafo...@CERF.NET>
Santa Monica, CA, USA

Vesna Mutevelic (ee_...@hal.lamar.edu)
Lamar, TX, USA

Dragan Jadric (ee_...@hal.lamar.edu)
Lamar, TX, USA

Almir Dulic (ee_...@hal.lamar.edu)
Lamar, TX, USA

Senaid Tahirovic <stah...@mipos2.intel.com>
Santa Clara, CA, USA

Alija Kajan <aka...@rp.CSIRO.AU>
Sydney, Australia

Andras J. Riedlmayer <ried...@fas.harvard.edu>
Cambridge MA, USA

Peter Zrinski Olofstrom, Sweden
Robert Zrinski Olofstrom, Sweden
Annette Wanggard-Zrinski Olofstrom, Sweden
Birgitta Zrinski Olofstrom, Sweden
Stefan Zrinski Olofstrom, Sweden
Ingela Johansson Olofstrom, Sweden
Osmo Karjalainen Olofstrom, Sweden
Wera Joensson Olofstrom, Sweden
Olli Vierikko Olofstrom, Sweden
Mikael Hakansson Olofstrom, Sweden
Leif Adolfsson Nasum, Sweden
Christer Svensson Olofstrom, Sweden
Olle Nilsson Ryd, Sweden
Ronny Joensson Olofstrom, Sweden
Rikard Joensson Olofstrom, Sweden
Roger Joensson Ljungby, Sweden
Stig Andersson Olofstrom, Sweden
Viola Nilsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Annika Zbasnik Olofstrom, Sweden
Janez Zbasnik Olofstrom, Sweden
Ewy Pettersson Olofstrom, Sweden
Jasna Orazem Dolenja Vas, Slovenia
Marjan Orazem Dolenja Vas, Slovenija
Elisabeth Danheden Olofstrom, Sweden
Faith Asekenye Olofstrom, Sweden
Magnus Weidner Olofstrom, Sweden
Zvonimir Jonjic Olofstrom, Sweden
Kristina Olsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Karin Olsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Margaretha Olsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Sigurd Magnusson Nasum,Sweden
Marjatta Golubow Olofstrom, Sweden
Eivor Backstrom Olofstrom, Sweden
Siv Zukiewicz-Bergstrom Olofstrom, Sweden
Maria Golub Olofstrom, Sweden
Anita Thomasson Jamshog, Sweden
Siv Bromster Olofstrom, Sweden
Ingvar Kajrup Olofstrom, Sweden
Ewy Lesonen Olofstrom, Sweden
Magnus Eskilsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Helmer Torstensson Nasum, Sweden
Lillemor Blomquist Olofstrom,Sweden
Gert Karlsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Sven Martensson Olofstrom, Sweden
Edith Stumm Olofstrom, Sweden
Ingegerd Tuorila Nasum, Sweden
Timo Tuorila Nasum, Sweden
Eva Lenshof Jamshog, Sweden
Lisbeth Widerstrand Olofstrom, Sweden
Bengt-Ake Svensson Bromolla, Sweden
Kaarina Westberg Kallinge, Sweden
Bjorn Olofsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Gerda Carlsson Kyrkhult, Sweden
Karl-Erik Karlsson Kyrkhult, Sweden
Stig Jeppsson Olofstrom, Sweden
Radi Pezo Olofstrom, Sweden
Marija Jonjic Olofstrom, Sweden
Tonka Pezo Olofstrom, Sweden
Ante Jonjic Olofstrom, Sweden
Tomislav Mamic Olofstrom, Sweden
Ivan Pezo Olofstrom, Sweden
Dubravko Pezo Olofstrom, Sweden
Marino Jonjic Olofstrom, Sweden
Anton Monas Olofstrom, Sweden
Julianna Pannonberg Olofstrom, Sweden
Zdravka Pezo Olofstrom, Sweden
Slava Jonjic Olofstrom, Sweden
Jadranka Mamic Olofstrom, Sweden

Adam Benovic <ben...@labdu.izor.hr>
Croatia

Said Bosnjakovic <sa...@buttercup.cybernex.net>
New Jersy USA

Bill Jungels <bi...@localnet.com>
Fredonia, NY, USA

Dr. Dunja Maglica
Andrei Maglica
Antonija Maglica
Samir Kulenovic
Melita Huremovic

Sharon Machlis Gartenberg <s...@world.std.com>
Framingham, MA

Jolanda Pikkaart <woo...@xs4all.nl>
Holland

T.R.Logan <THEL...@gnn.com>
Redlands, CA, USA

Maciek Tryburcy <S_t...@adam.mp.pw.edu.pl>
Poland

Amer Smajkic <a0...@UIC.EDU>
USA

R.Adil Kurtic <a.ku...@zamir-tz.ztn.apc.org>
Tuzla, Bosnia-Herzegovina

Samir Lipovaca <sa...@gunner.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
New York, USA

Sead Makota <mak...@ica.net>
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Emir Ibrahimpasic <ie...@piper.hamline.edu>
St. Paul, MN, USA; Modrica BH
Ibrahim Ibrahimpasic
Lincoln, NE, USA; Modrica BH
Refija Ibrahimpasic
Lincoln, NE, USA; MOdrica BH
Emira Ibrahimpasic
LIncoln, NE, USA; Modrica BH
Alija Ibrahimpasic
Lincoln, NE, USA; MOdrica BH
Saladin Cerimagic
Minneapolis, MN, USA; Prijedor BH
Alma Orucevic
Minneapolis, MN, USA; Sarajevo BH
SUljo Linic
West Chester, PA, USA; Bos. Petrovac BIH
Omer Car
Goshen, IN, USA; Livno BiH

Edin Kadribasic <e...@dk-online.dk>
Copenhagen, Denmark

Jay Taylor <jta...@math.arizona.edu>
Arizona, USA

Darko Kozina <fp94...@egy.engelholm.se>
Sweden

Robert Popovic <robert....@mbox300.swipnet.se>
Sweden

Zukic Ismet
Zukic Katja
Behidza Znidarec
Hajrija Azabagic
Sliskovic Karlo
Sliskovic Azemina
Sliskovic Ronald
Sliskovic Inga
Dinko Tuhtar
Dinka Tuhtar
Matea Tuhtar
Daria Tuhtar
Mirsad Kalic
Elvira Kalic
Gafic Dzemal
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Tankovic Ahmed
Tankovic Abida
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Hamzic Samir
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Karajic Mirsad
Karajic Suada
Husic Esnaf
Baljic Bahra
Baljic Adnan
Tankovic Said
Tankovic Edina
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Kozenjic Mustafa
Kozenjic Zejna
Tankovic Sead
Balic Ali
Balic Rabija
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Balic Arifa
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Zildzic Hajrudin
Zildzic Dzenana
Zildzic Enisa
Ibrahim Bjelic
Hovo Bjelic
Fikret Bjelic
Irso Bjelic
Mujo Karabegovic
Dijana Karabegovic
Ademi Samir
Ademi Nihad
Tankovic Devleta
Zukic Jasmin
Jaksic Mujo
Planincic Mustafa
Planincic Ramiza
Planincic Zlata
Planincic Medina
Kemo Husein Spahic
Balic Almira
Dzihic Midhet
Luciano Rosani
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Delic Nermin
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Zec Mustafa
Peles Amra
Peles Slaven
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Margarethe Persson
Vilshult, Sweden
Lars-Peter Runesson
Kyrkhult, Sweden
Lena Persson
Olofstrom, Sweden
Madeleine Bjorkhem
Jamshog, Sweden
Inger Bos
Nasum, Sweden
Annika Nilsson
Dalanshult, Sweden
Agneta Holgersson
Olofstrom, Sweden
Pia Alfredsson
Morrum, Sweden
Inga Ohlsson
Olofstrom, Sweden

Olly Willans <feed...@oneworld.org>
Caroline Earnshaw
Mark Lynas
Caroline Lowes
USA

Tom Gallagher <T.G.Ga...@bradford.ac.uk>
Bradford, UK

Brenny Hansma <bre...@noord.bart.nl>
Holland

Shin Yasui <MLADI-...@ZAMIR-ZG.ZTN.APC.ORG>
Matsuyama, Japan
Eugene, Oregon

Pierre Tremblay <pie...@citenet.net>
Bois-des-Filion, Quebec, Canada

Sakir Hadzimejlic <sa...@yorrick.pow.unsw.EDU.AU>
Jasminka Hadzimejlic
Sydney, Australia
Amir Suljic, Blacktown, Australia
Vesna Suljic,Blacktown, Australia
Safet Suljic, Blacktown, Australia
Safija Suljic, Blactown, Australia
Ana Matic, Blacktown, Australia
Zelimir Matic, Blacktown, Australia
Dika Hrnjadovic, Blacktown, Australia
Asmir Hrnjadovic, Blacktown, Australia
Zehra Hrnjadovic, Blactown, Australia
Fuad Hrnjadovic, Blactown, Australia
Ifeta Hrnjadovic, Blactown, Australia
Nezir Kazic, Lane Cove, Australia
Vahida Zelihic, Lane Cove, Australia
Sevda Kazic, Lane Cove, Australia

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Madrid. Spain

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Waltham, MA, USA

Roberto Ortiz de Zarate <ziao...@lg.ehu.es>
Bilbao, Spain

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Joan Wahto
Dina Blade
Kathy LeMay
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Sanja Hrle <sa...@jtec.com.au>
Joy Bale
Ahmed Moussa
Simon Park
Kate Park
Alison Whitle
Sydney, Australia

Kirk Johnson <john...@reno.WPI.EDU>
Worcester, Massachusetts, USA

Jeanie Nine <ZINA...@aol.com>
Carmichael, CA, USA

John Palmer <jr...@cornell.edu>
Cornell, USA

John H. Weiss <jh...@cornell.edu>
Cornell, USA

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Samir Skopljak
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London, UK

Jonathan Kofman <kof...@bille.ppc.engga.uwo.ca>
London, Canada
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Dawn Miller, NH, USA
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Katie Bonfauer, VY, USA
Emily Sasa, MA, USA
Audrey Renland, MA, USA
Nancy, Daxel, VT, USA
Roland Lambert, VT, USA
Sam Brush, ME, USA
Peter R Thomas, ME, USA
Brett Houth, MA, USA
Ivy Houth, MA, USA
Brooke Rietveld, NY, USA
Eric Smaagaavd, VT, USA
Angela Beauclerc, CA, USA
Bryon Gomberg, PA, USA
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Jessica Ojala, VT, USA


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Please include my name on your petition. Emmanuel M. Mavrakis, NY USA

Phidias Bourlas

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them...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Please include my name on your petition. Emmanuel M. Mavrakis, NY USA
>
For me, they are heros.

Long life Karadzic!
Long life Mladic!

F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib

George Alex Stathis

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Well, Phidias, I respect your patriorism, but for me patriotism means to support what
is true and just. So long as the Serbs were unfairly treated by the World Media (such
as CNN) and (apart from the traditional friendship between Greeks and Serbs) there were
reasons to believe their treatment was unjust, I felt sympathy and solidarity for them.

But for me, and for many other Greeks, if Karadzic and Mladic really got involved
in the mass-executions of civilians (such as in Srebrenica) I have no problems to withdraw
_all_ my sympathy from these two individuals, in particular, as for any other war-criminal
from any side.

If you insist to support them, maybe you have reasons to believe they are not war-criminals.
But if you accept their role in mass-executions, and at the same time support them, than my
disagreement gets _very_ strong: I no longer respectfully, but DISrespectfully disagree...

It remains to be seen if you have _valid_ reasons for believing that Karadzic and Mladic
are innocent of war-crimes.

But if you have reasons to believe that such war-crimes WERE committed, and at the
same time support the people who committed them, than I am very sorry Phidias, this
is the definition of bigotry and fascism.

Furthermore, if you continue to support Mladic and Karadzic without considering the
possibility (which is very strong in fact) that they are war-criminals, then every time
you do this, you are harming Greece more than ahyone....


WHO cares, in this vast world, and this very vast Internet, what you or me say or
believe? Our opinions are only personal among millions of opinions...

But if (say) some non-Greek person browses into this newsgroup and finds, instead of
reasonable arguments, BLIND support for war-criminals, then WHAT will this non-Greek
person think of Greece? He or she will think: "Bloody bigoted fascist Greeks! The
whole world condemns war-crimes and some of them support criminals when it suits their
interest"...

Unless you have, of course, Serbian blood. But even then, the same arguments apply...


Regards
George

P.S. Just browsed your Web-page... What version of PROLOG-compiler do you use? :-)
It appears we have common professional interests, though differing opinions....

vasilios l pilarinos

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Dec 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/8/96
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>>> In message (<32A857...@softlab.ece.ntua.gr>),
Phidias Bourlas (ph...@softlab.ece.ntua.gr) wrote :

# For me, they are heros.
#
# Long life Karadzic!
# Long life Mladic!


Ditto. They ensured that at least 50% of their homeland is free and
under Serbian control. They would have ensured 100% if not for the
intervention of the "neutral" NATO forces which carpet bombed Bosnian Serb
positions, armed and trained Croat and muslim forces, and which allowed
Iranian mujahadeens to train and _arm_ muslims.

Karadjic especially is a hero. Mladic, though a great military leader,
was a fool to listen to Milosevic for as long as he did.

# F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib

--
__Vasilios_L._Pilarinos_______________________http://www.ml.org/~vpilarin__
"Beware lest in your anxiety to avoid war you obtain a master."-Demosthenes

Phidias Bourlas

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Dec 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/9/96
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Εγώ, συν τοις άλλοις, δυσπιστώ πλέον και για έναν ακόμα
λόγο. Φοβάμαι μήπως η Albright π.χ. αποκαλεί τον Karadzic
"εγκληματία κατά της ανθρωπότητας" με το ίδιο σκεπτικό που
ένας Φαλμεραϊερίσκος εδώ μέσα απεκάλεσε τον Κολοκοτρώνη
"τρομοκράτη". (Αναφέρομαι σε άλλο thread.) Όχι, δεν θεωρώ
ίδιες τις δύο περιπτώσεις, αλλά, όπως και να το κάνουμε, ο
Φαλμεραϊερίσκος με έχει βάλει σε σκέψεις...

Το μήνυμα αυτό δεν αποτελεί απάντηση σε όσα αξιοπρόσεκτα
έγραψε ο Γιώργος Στάθης. Περί αυτών επιφυλάσσομαι να απαντήσω
προσεχώς.

F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib

sp...@erols.com

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Dec 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/10/96
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Phidias Bourlas wrote:
>
> Ĺăţ, óőí ôďéň Üëëďéň, äőóđéóôţ đëÝďí ęáé ăéá Ýíáí áęüěá
> ëüăď. ÖďâÜěáé ěŢđůň ç Albright đ.÷. áđďęáëĺß ôďí Karadzic
> "ĺăęëçěáôßá ęáôÜ ôçň áíčńůđüôçôáň" ěĺ ôď ßäéď óęĺđôéęü đďő
> Ýíáň Öáëěĺńáúĺńßóęďň ĺäţ ěÝóá áđĺęÜëĺóĺ ôďí Ęďëďęďôńţíç
> "ôńďěďęńÜôç". (ÁíáöÝńďěáé óĺ Üëëď thread.) ź÷é, äĺí čĺůńţ
> ßäéĺň ôéň äýď đĺńéđôţóĺéň, áëëÜ, üđůň ęáé íá ôď ęÜíďőěĺ, ď
> Öáëěĺńáúĺńßóęďň ěĺ Ý÷ĺé âÜëĺé óĺ óęÝřĺéň...
>
> Ôď ěŢíőěá áőôü äĺí áđďôĺëĺß áđÜíôçóç óĺ üóá áîéďđńüóĺęôá
> Ýăńářĺ ď Ăéţńăďň ÓôÜčçň. Đĺńß áőôţí ĺđéöőëÜóóďěáé íá áđáíôŢóů
> đńďóĺ÷ţň.
>
> F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib


Thank you, Philip. Did you translate this into Greek yourself? Please
send it to Steven Albert or Adnan Smailovic if you have not done so
already. If you don't know how, I will do it for you.

Love,

Galina Schneider

Phidias Bourlas

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sp...@erols.com wrote:
> > F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
>
> Thank you, Philip. Did you translate this into Greek yourself? Please
> send it to Steven Albert or Adnan Smailovic if you have not done so
> already. If you don't know how, I will do it for you.
>
??? Μα τι λέει αυτή ?????????

> Love,
> Galina Schneider
>
F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib

sp...@erols.com

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Phidias Bourlas wrote:
>
> sp...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > Phidias Bourlas wrote:
> > >
> > > Ĺăţ, óőí ôďéň Üëëďéň, äőóđéóôţ đëÝďí ęáé ăéá Ýíáí áęüěá
> > > ëüăď. ÖďâÜěáé ěŢđůň ç Albright đ.÷. áđďęáëĺß ôďí Karadzic
> > > "ĺăęëçěáôßá ęáôÜ ôçň áíčńůđüôçôáň" ěĺ ôď ßäéď óęĺđôéęü đďő
> > > Ýíáň Öáëěĺńáúĺńßóęďň ĺäţ ěÝóá áđĺęÜëĺóĺ ôďí Ęďëďęďôńţíç
> > > "ôńďěďęńÜôç". (ÁíáöÝńďěáé óĺ Üëëď thread.) ź÷é, äĺí čĺůńţ
> > > ßäéĺň ôéň äýď đĺńéđôţóĺéň, áëëÜ, üđůň ęáé íá ôď ęÜíďőěĺ, ď
> > > Öáëěĺńáúĺńßóęďň ěĺ Ý÷ĺé âÜëĺé óĺ óęÝřĺéň...
> > >
> > > Ôď ěŢíőěá áőôü äĺí áđďôĺëĺß áđÜíôçóç óĺ üóá áîéďđńüóĺęôá
> > > Ýăńářĺ ď Ăéţńăďň ÓôÜčçň. Đĺńß áőôţí ĺđéöőëÜóóďěáé íá áđáíôŢóů
> > > đńďóĺ÷ţň.
> > >
> > > F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
> >
> > Thank you, Philip. Did you translate this into Greek yourself? Please
> > send it to Steven Albert or Adnan Smailovic if you have not done so
> > already. If you don't know how, I will do it for you.
> >
> ??? Ěá ôé ëÝĺé áőôŢ ?????????

>
> > Love,
> > Galina Schneider
> >
> F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib


I ASSUMED that this text was the text of the arrest petition for the
Hague war criminals. I do not have any foreign language fonts on my
machine. If you have incorrectly designated whatever the text is, please
let everyone who does not own your particular font set know. Ahve you
done the good deed of the translation or not? Perhaps, even if you have,
a latin tranliteration might be more appropriate for crossposting
purposes. I consider the petition no laughing matter.


Phidias Bourlas

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Well, Galina, here you have a very interesting quotation from
the PETITION to ARREST war criminals Karadzic & Mladic. I translate
in greek. (Please excuse me for any possible error; you see, my poor
english...)
---
Δόξα και τιμή στον πρόεδρο Κάρατζιτς και στον στρατηγό Μλάντιτς.
Ζήτω οι ηγέτες του γενναίου σερβικού στρατού, οι ήρωες του σερβικού
έθνους, οι μαχητές της Ορθοδοξίας, οι εκπορθητές της Σρεμπρενίτσα,
οι ολόφωτοι φάροι της Δικαιοσύνης, οι οραματιστές της Νίκης.
Αμάραντο δάφνινο στεφάνι ας στολίζει στους αιώνες το άσπιλο
μέτωπό τους.
Ιζετμπέκοβιτς, Τούτζμαν, Μπερίσα, Γκλιγκόρωφ, Τσιλέρ, Ντεκτάς,
να πάνε όλοι να γαμηθούν.
Ελλάς - Σερβία - Ορθοδοξία!
Κύπρος - Θράκη - Βοσνία Ερζεγοβίνη: Ούτε ένας Τούρκος δε θα μείνει!
---
That is. Please, sign it.

Always yours,
F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib

Galina's message follows:
---


Phidias Bourlas wrote:
>
> sp...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > Phidias Bourlas wrote:
> > >

> > > Εγώ, συν τοις άλλοις, δυσπιστώ πλέον και για έναν ακόμα
> > > λόγο. Φοβάμαι μήπως η Albright π.χ. αποκαλεί τον Karadzic
> > > "εγκληματία κατά της ανθρωπότητας" με το ίδιο σκεπτικό που
> > > ένας Φαλμεραϊερίσκος εδώ μέσα απεκάλεσε τον Κολοκοτρώνη
> > > "τρομοκράτη". (Αναφέρομαι σε άλλο thread.) Όχι, δεν θεωρώ
> > > ίδιες τις δύο περιπτώσεις, αλλά, όπως και να το κάνουμε, ο
> > > Φαλμεραϊερίσκος με έχει βάλει σε σκέψεις...
> > >
> > > Το μήνυμα αυτό δεν αποτελεί απάντηση σε όσα αξιοπρόσεκτα
> > > έγραψε ο Γιώργος Στάθης. Περί αυτών επιφυλάσσομαι να απαντήσω
> > > προσεχώς.
> > >

> > > F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
> >
> > Thank you, Philip. Did you translate this into Greek yourself? Please
> > send it to Steven Albert or Adnan Smailovic if you have not done so
> > already. If you don't know how, I will do it for you.
> >

> ??? Μα τι λέει αυτή ?????????
>
> > Love,

---
Καλά, αυτό ας μην το σχολιάσω!!!
---


> > Galina Schneider
> >
> F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib

I ASSUMED that this text was the text of the arrest petition for the
Hague war criminals. I do not have any foreign language fonts on my
machine. If you have incorrectly designated whatever the text is,
please
let everyone who does not own your particular font set know. Ahve you
done the good deed of the translation or not? Perhaps, even if you
have,
a latin tranliteration might be more appropriate for crossposting
purposes. I consider the petition no laughing matter.

---

:-DDD ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ ΧΑ !!! :-DDD

Φ.Μ. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib

Υ.Γ.
Ρε παιδιά, δε φταίω εγώ, αφού με προκαλεί, γινόταν να αντέξω τον
πειρασμό; Όχι πείτε μου. Ε δεν άντεξα, και έγραψα, καλλιτεχνική αδεία,
αυτά που έγραψα. (Στα ελληνικά, όπως μου εσυστήθη, για να μην "εκθέσω"
την Ελλάδα.)

Φ.Μ.

sp...@erols.com

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Phidias Bourlas wrote:
>
> Well, Galina, here you have a very interesting quotation from
> the PETITION to ARREST war criminals Karadzic & Mladic. I translate
> in greek. (Please excuse me for any possible error; you see, my poor
> english...)
> ---
> Äüîá ęáé ôéěŢ óôďí đńüĺäńď ĘÜńáôćéôň ęáé óôďí óôńáôçăü ĚëÜíôéôň.
> ĆŢôů ďé çăÝôĺň ôďő ăĺííáßďő óĺńâéęďý óôńáôďý, ďé Ţńůĺň ôďő óĺńâéęďý
> Ýčíďőň, ďé ěá÷çôÝň ôçň Ďńčďäďîßáň, ďé ĺęđďńčçôÝň ôçň Óńĺěđńĺíßôóá,
> ďé ďëüöůôďé öÜńďé ôçň Äéęáéďóýíçň, ďé ďńáěáôéóôÝň ôçň Íßęçň.
> ÁěÜńáíôď äÜöíéíď óôĺöÜíé áň óôďëßćĺé óôďőň áéţíĺň ôď Üóđéëď
> ěÝôůđü ôďőň.
> ÉćĺôěđÝęďâéôň, Ôďýôćěáí, Ěđĺńßóá, Ăęëéăęüńůö, ÔóéëÝń, ÍôĺęôÜň,
> íá đÜíĺ üëďé íá ăáěçčďýí.
> ĹëëÜň - Óĺńâßá - Ďńčďäďîßá!
> Ęýđńďň - ČńÜęç - Âďóíßá Ĺńćĺăďâßíç: Ďýôĺ Ýíáň Ôďýńęďň äĺ čá ěĺßíĺé!

> ---
> That is. Please, sign it.
>
> Always yours,
> F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
>
> Galina's message follows:
> ---
> Phidias Bourlas wrote:
> >
> > sp...@erols.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Phidias Bourlas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ĺăţ, óőí ôďéň Üëëďéň, äőóđéóôţ đëÝďí ęáé ăéá Ýíáí áęüěá
> > > > ëüăď. ÖďâÜěáé ěŢđůň ç Albright đ.÷. áđďęáëĺß ôďí Karadzic
> > > > "ĺăęëçěáôßá ęáôÜ ôçň áíčńůđüôçôáň" ěĺ ôď ßäéď óęĺđôéęü đďő
> > > > Ýíáň Öáëěĺńáúĺńßóęďň ĺäţ ěÝóá áđĺęÜëĺóĺ ôďí Ęďëďęďôńţíç
> > > > "ôńďěďęńÜôç". (ÁíáöÝńďěáé óĺ Üëëď thread.) ź÷é, äĺí čĺůńţ
> > > > ßäéĺň ôéň äýď đĺńéđôţóĺéň, áëëÜ, üđůň ęáé íá ôď ęÜíďőěĺ, ď
> > > > Öáëěĺńáúĺńßóęďň ěĺ Ý÷ĺé âÜëĺé óĺ óęÝřĺéň...
> > > >
> > > > Ôď ěŢíőěá áőôü äĺí áđďôĺëĺß áđÜíôçóç óĺ üóá áîéďđńüóĺęôá
> > > > Ýăńářĺ ď Ăéţńăďň ÓôÜčçň. Đĺńß áőôţí ĺđéöőëÜóóďěáé íá áđáíôŢóů
> > > > đńďóĺ÷ţň.
> > > >
> > > > F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
> > >
> > > Thank you, Philip. Did you translate this into Greek yourself? Please
> > > send it to Steven Albert or Adnan Smailovic if you have not done so
> > > already. If you don't know how, I will do it for you.
> > >
> > ??? Ěá ôé ëÝĺé áőôŢ ?????????
> >
> > > Love,
> ---
> ĘáëÜ, áőôü áň ěçí ôď ó÷ďëéÜóů!!!

> ---
> > > Galina Schneider
> > >
> > F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
>
> I ASSUMED that this text was the text of the arrest petition for the
> Hague war criminals. I do not have any foreign language fonts on my
> machine. If you have incorrectly designated whatever the text is,
> please
> let everyone who does not own your particular font set know. Ahve you
> done the good deed of the translation or not? Perhaps, even if you
> have,
> a latin tranliteration might be more appropriate for crossposting
> purposes. I consider the petition no laughing matter.
> ---
>
> :-DDD ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á ×Á !!! :-DDD
>
> Ö.Ě. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
>
> Ő.Ă.
> Ńĺ đáéäéÜ, äĺ öôáßů ĺăţ, áöďý ěĺ đńďęáëĺß, ăéíüôáí íá áíôÝîů ôďí
> đĺéńáóěü; ź÷é đĺßôĺ ěďő. Ĺ äĺí Üíôĺîá, ęáé Ýăńářá, ęáëëéôĺ÷íéęŢ áäĺßá,
> áőôÜ đďő Ýăńářá. (Óôá ĺëëçíéęÜ, üđůň ěďő ĺóőóôŢčç, ăéá íá ěçí "ĺęčÝóů"
> ôçí ĹëëÜäá.)
>
> Ö.Ě.


I have no ofnt sets. I cannot see what you have written. Other people
without these font sets cannot either. WE have the arrest petition in
English, Dutch, Italian, Bosnian, German, ALbanian, and French but we do
not have it in Greek. If you could tranliterate the petition you
tanslated, then send it to Steven Albert : alb...@infobahnos.com, it
would be a great service. As to signing, I was one of the first
supporters of this petition. You can check the web.

With the Peace that passeth all understanding,

Galina

Unix man ( posse )

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sp...@erols.com wrote:
>
> Phidias Bourlas wrote:
> >
> > sp...@erols.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Phidias Bourlas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Εγώ, συν τοις άλλοις, δυσπιστώ πλέον και για έναν ακόμα
> > > > λόγο. Φοβάμαι μήπως η Albright π.χ. αποκαλεί τον Karadzic
> > > > "εγκληματία κατά της ανθρωπότητας" με το ίδιο σκεπτικό που
> > > > ένας Φαλμεραϊερίσκος εδώ μέσα απεκάλεσε τον Κολοκοτρώνη
> > > > "τρομοκράτη". (Αναφέρομαι σε άλλο thread.) Όχι, δεν θεωρώ
> > > > ίδιες τις δύο περιπτώσεις, αλλά, όπως και να το κάνουμε, ο
> > > > Φαλμεραϊερίσκος με έχει βάλει σε σκέψεις...
> > > >
> > > > Το μήνυμα αυτό δεν αποτελεί απάντηση σε όσα αξιοπρόσεκτα
> > > > έγραψε ο Γιώργος Στάθης. Περί αυτών επιφυλάσσομαι να απαντήσω
> > > > προσεχώς.
> > > >
> > > > F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
> > >
> > > Thank you, Philip. Did you translate this into Greek yourself? Please
> > > send it to Steven Albert or Adnan Smailovic if you have not done so
> > > already. If you don't know how, I will do it for you.
> > >
> > ??? Μα τι λέει αυτή ?????????
> >
> > > Love,
> > > Galina Schneider
> > >
> > F.M. --- http://www.dsclab.ntua.gr/~phib
>
> I ASSUMED that this text was the text of the arrest petition for the
> Hague war criminals. I do not have any foreign language fonts on my
> machine. If you have incorrectly designated whatever the text is, please
> let everyone who does not own your particular font set know. Ahve you
> done the good deed of the translation or not? Perhaps, even if you have,
> a latin tranliteration might be more appropriate for crossposting
> purposes. I consider the petition no laughing matter.

Not all Greeks can read the latin Greek translations, and those that can
will also be able to read the original fonts, so it is only appropriate
to those who
can read Greek.. If you don't like it ' learn Greek ' or download the
fonts.

Otherwise stop whining...

Andros66

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General Mladic and Karadicz are heros to the Greek and Orthodox people
everywhere. So what if they are war criminals. Big deal if they killed a
bunch of Turks.

General Mladic should be offered a post on the General staff of the Greek
army. If he had such a position then there would not have been that
humiliating back-off by Simitis over Imia. Greece is still paying for this
humiliating debacle.( I ask you, Is America siding with Greece or with
Turkey over the Agean issue).

All Greeks everywhere should give the Serbs their fullest and
unconditional support. Remember, who amongst us will deny that our time
will soon come. And who will be our allies, the English? the Americans?
the Germans? Fuck them. Give your fullest support to the Serbs, to Mladic,
and Karadicz.

Andros

Despina Christodoulou

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In article <19961215203...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
andr...@aol.com (Andros66) wrote:

Which Serbs? The ones protesting on the streets of Belgrade against the
dictatorship of Milosevic (ethnically Montenegran)? Yes, I will always
give them my full and unconditional support. They have shown the world
that Serbs can be decent, honourable human beings. Unlike you, who only
gives both Greeks and Serbs a bad name. By the way, Karadzic is not
actually a Serb. He is a Montenegran too.

Despina

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