Elie Weisel is a lying sack of shit
Domingo the Avenger
Wiesel: "In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each
day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped.
Why?"
- "Author, Teacher, Witness," Time magazine, March 18, 1985, p. 79.
According to a booklet obtained from the Buchenwald Memorial Site,
which was written by Sabine and Harry Stein, "A total of 11,000 Jews
lost their lives in Buchenwald. Out of the 13,969 inmates who died in
1945, there were 7,000 Jews."
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/DeathStatistics.html
Wiesel reports that at Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the
adults and another one for babies. He writes:
"Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames.
They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered
its load -- little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it -- saw it with my
own eyes ... Those children in the flames."
Today there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews
were burned alive.
Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine where the Germans executed
Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel wrote:
"Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground
never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood
spurted from it." - Paroles d'�tranger (Editions du Seuil, 1982), p.
86
The ground trembled?? Blood geysers??
The booklet written by Sabine and Harry Stein, which was available
from the Memorial Site in 1999, states that, in addition to the number
of recorded deaths at Buchenwald, "More than 8,000 Soviet prisoners of
war were shot in the stable. An estimated number of 1,100 people were
executed in the crematorium and an estimated number of between 12,000
and 15,000 people were dead upon arrival from the camps in the east or
fell victim to the evacuation marches. This gives a total number of
approximately 56,000 persons killed."
The first U.S. Army Intelligence report, dated April 24, 1945, put the
Buchenwald death toll at 32,705.
Conspicuously absent in the Buchenwald museum in was any evidence of
the atrocities that were so widely publicized after the camp was
liberated.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/DeathStatistics.html
The International Tracing Service of Arolsen, an affiliate of the Red
Cross, released a report in 1984 which said that the number of
documented deaths in Buchenwald was 20,671
The horrendous death toll during the first two months of 1945 was due
to a typhus epidemic in the camp. During the same time period, there
were also severe epidemics in all the other major concentration camps
in Germany.
Typhus is spread by lice and prisoners coming into Germany from the
death camps in what is now Poland were the carriers of the lice. The
worst epidemic of all was at Bergen-Belsen where 35,000 prisoners died
in March and the first two weeks of April 1945.
Honest truth
Avenger change your mind? I hope it was something I said to you.
> According to a booklet obtained from the Buchenwald Memorial Site,
> which was written by Sabine and Harry Stein, "A total of 11,000 Jews
> lost their lives in Buchenwald. Out of the 13,969 inmates who died in
> 1945, there were 7,000 Jews."
>
> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/DeathStatistics.html
--
嚙踝蕭Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man嚙踝蕭s nature, there is
not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. 嚙皺 If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
his own land, he is prevented from doing so.嚙踝蕭
Lloyd George
ZuLu
> So now you admit that the holocaust took place! What made you Domingo the
> Avenger change your mind? I hope it was something I said to you.
Define "holokost"
ZuLu
A Prominent False Witness - Elie Wiesel
By Dr. Robert Faurisson
1-29-5
Elie Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. He is generally accepted as a witness
to the Jewish "Holocaust," and, more specifically, as a witness to the legendary Nazi
extermination gas chambers. The Paris daily Le Monde emphasized at the time that
Wiesel was awarded the Nobel Prize because: [1]
These last years have seen, in the name of so-called "historical revisionism," the
elaboration of these, especially in France, questioning the existence of the Nazi gas
chambers and, perhaps beyond that, of the genocide of the Jews itself.
But in what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas chambers? By what
right does he ask us to believe in that means of extermination? In an
autobiographical book that supposedly describes his experiences at Auschwitz and
Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the gas chambers. [2] He does indeed say that the
Germans executed Jews, but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches,
before the very eyes of the deportees! No less than that!
Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from among several
Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire lie instead of the boiling
water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956, when he published his testimony in
Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of
the term Holocaust. Today, there is no longer a single historian who believes that
Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also
disappeared. Only the gas remains.
The gassing lie was spread by the Americans. [3] The lie that Jews were killed by
boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was spread by the Poles. [4] The
electrocution lie was spread by the Soviets. [5]
The fire lie is of undetermined origin. It is, in a sense, as old as war propaganda
or hate propaganda. In his memoir, Night, which is a version of his earlier Yiddish
testimony, Wiesel reports that at Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the
adults and another one for babies. He writes: [6]
"Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames. They were
burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered its load -- little
children. Babies! Yes, I saw it -- saw it with my own eyes ... Those children in the
flames. (Is it surprising that I could not sleep after that? Sleep has fled from my
eyes.)"
"A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames where the victims
suffered "slow agony in the flames." Wiesel's column was led by the Germans to within
"three steps" of the ditch, then to "two steps." "Two steps from the pit we were
ordered to turn to the left and made to go into a barracks."
An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met other exceptional
witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine where the Germans executed Soviet
citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel wrote: [7]
"Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground never stopped
trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood spurted from it."
These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy: first, he wrote
them, then some unspecified number of times (but at least once) he had to reread them
in the proofs; finally, his words were translated into various languages, as is
everything this author writes.
That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a miracle. He says
that: [8]
"In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was always in the
last hundred near the gate." They stopped there each time. Why?
In 1954 French scholar Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie" with regard to
the German concentration camps. She wrote: [9]
"Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth, much more numerous than
people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the concentration camp world --
well designed, alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginings -- offered them an
exceptional field of action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half
swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation; we have known
others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to go even beyond
the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said had happened to them. There
have been publishers to print some of their imaginings, and more or less official
compilations to use them, but publishers and compilers are absolutely inexcusable,
since the most elementary inquiry would have been enough to reveal the imposture."
Tillion lacked the courage to give examples and names. But that is usually the case.
People agree that there are false gas chambers that tourists and pilgrims are
encouraged to visit, but they do not tell us where. They agree that there are false
"eyewitnesses," but in general they name only Martin Gray, the well-known swindler,
at whose request Max Gallo, with full knowledge of what he was doing, fabricated the
bestseller For Those I Loved.
Jean-Fran�ois Steiner is sometimes named as well. His bestselling novel Treblinka
(1966) was presented as a work of which the accuracy of every detail was guaranteed
by oral or written testimony. In reality, it was a fabrication attributable, at least
in part, to the novelist Gilles Perrault. [10] Marek Halter, for his part, published
his La M�moire d'Abraham in 1983; as he often does on radio, he talked there about
his experiences in the Warsaw ghetto. However, if we are to believe an article by
Nicolas Beau that is quite favorable to Halter, [11] little Marek, about three years
old, and his mother left Warsaw not in 1941 but in October of 1939, before the
establishment of the ghetto there by the Germans. Halter's book is supposed to have
been actually written by a ghost writer, Jean-No�l Gurgan.
Filip M�ller is the author of Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers,
[12] which won the 1980 prize of the International League against Racism and
Anti-Semitism (LICRA). This nauseous best-seller is actually the work of a German
ghost writer, Helmut Freitag, who did not hesitate to engage in plagiarism. [13] The
source of the plagiarism is Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, another
best-seller made up out of whole cloth and attributed to Miklos Nyiszli. [14]
Thus, a whole series of works presented as authentic documents turns out to be merely
compilations attributable to various ghost writers: Max Gallo, Gilles Perrault,
Jean-No�l Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag, among others.
We would like to know what Germaine Tillion thinks about Elie Wiesel today. With him
the lie is certainly not gratuitous. Wiesel claims to be full of love for humanity.
However, he does not refrain from an appeal to hatred. In his opinion: [15]
"Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy,
virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German.
To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead."
At the beginning of 1986, 83 deputies of the German Bundestag took the initiative of
proposing Wiesel for the Nobel Peace Prize. This would be, they said, "a great
encouragement to all who are active in the process of reconciliation." [16] That is
what might be called "going from National Socialism to national masochism."
Jimmy Carter needed a historian to preside over the President's Commission on the
Holocaust. As Dr. Arthur Butz said so well, he chose not a historian but a
"histrion": Elie Wiesel. Even the newspaper Le Monde, in the article mentioned above,
was obliged to refer to the histrionic trait that certain persons deplore in Wiesel:
"Naturally, even among those who approve of the struggle of this American Jewish
writer, who was discovered by the Catholic Fran�ois Mauriac, some reproach him for
having too much of a tendency to change the Jewish sadness into "morbidity" or to
become the high priest of a "planned management of the Holocaust."
As Jewish writer Leon A. Jick has written: "The devastating barb, 'There is no
business like SHOAH-business' is, sad to say, a recognizable truth." [17]
Elie Wiesel issues alarmed and inflammatory appeals against Revisionist authors. He
senses that things are getting out of hand. It is going to become more and more
difficult for him to maintain the mad belief that the Jews were exterminated or were
subjected to a policy of extermination, especially in so-called gas chambers. Serge
Klarsfeld has admitted that real proofs of the existence of the gas chambers have
still not yet been published. He promises proofs. [18]
On the scholarly plane, the gas chamber myth is finished. To tell the truth, that
myth breathed its last breath several years ago at the Sorbonne colloquium in Paris
(June 29-July 2, 1982), at which Raymond Aron and Fran�ois Furet presided. What
remains is to make this news known to the general public. However, for Elie Wiesel it
is of the highest importance to conceal that news. Thus all the fuss in the media,
which is going to increase: the more the journalists talk, the more the historians
keep quiet.
But there are historians who dare to raise their voices against the lies and the
hatred. That is the case with Michel de Bo�ard, wartime member of the Resistance,
deportee to Mauthausen, member of the Committee for the History of the Second World
War from 1945 to 1981, and a member of the Institut de France. In a poignant
interview in 1986, he courageously acknowledged that in 1954 he had vouched for the
existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen where, it finally turns out, there never was
one. [19]
The respect owed to the sufferings of all the victims of the Second World War, and,
in particular, to the sufferings of the deportees, demands on the part of historians
a return to the proven and time-honored methods of historical criticism.
Summary
Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the alleged
Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night, he makes no mention of
gas chambers. He claims instead to have witnessed Jews being burned alive, a story
now dismissed by all historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of
other "eyewitnesses." He spreads fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to their
deaths each day in Buchenwald.
When Elie Wiesel and his father, as Auschwitz prisoners, had the choice of either
leaving with their retreating German "executioners," or remaining behind in the camp
to await the Soviet "liberators," the two decided to leave with their German captors.
It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the genuine sufferings of the
victims of the Second World War, that historians return to the proven methods of
historical criticism, and that the testimony of the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be
subjected to rigorous scrutiny rather than unquestioning acceptance.
Notes
1. Le Monde, October 17, 1986. Front page.
2. There is one single allusion, extremely vague and fleeting, on pages
78-79: Wiesel, who very much likes to have conversations with God, says to Him:
"But these men here, whom You have betrayed, whom You have allowed to be
tortured, butchered, gassed, burned, what do they do? They pray before you!" (Night,
New York, Discus/Avon Books, 1969, p. 79). In his preface to that same book,
Fran�ois Mauriac mentioned "the gas chamber and the crematory" (p. 8). The four
crucial pages of "testimony" by Elie Wiesel are reproduced in facsimile in:
Pierre Guillaume, Droit et Histoire (La Vieille Taupe, 1986), pp. 147-150. In
the German-language edition of Night (Die Nacht zu begraben, Elischa [Ullstein,
1962]), on 14 occasions the word "crematory" or "crematories" has been
falsely given as "Gaskammer" ("gas chamber[s]"). In January of 1945, in anticipation
of a Russian takeover, the Germans were evacuating Auschwitz. Elie Wiesel, a
young teenager at the time, was hospitalized in Birkenau (the "extermination
camp") after surgery on an infected foot. His doctor had recommended two weeks
of rest and good food but, before his foot healed, the Russian takeover became
imminent. Hospital patients were considered unfit for the long trip to the
camps in Germany and Elie thus could have remained at Birkenau to await the
Russians. Although his father had permission to stay with him as a hospital
patient or orderly, father and son talked it over and decided to move out with the
Germans. (See Night, p. 93. See also D. Calder, The Sunday Sun [Toronto,
Canada], May 31, 1987, p. C4.)
3. See the US War Refugee Board Report, German Extermination Camps:
Auschwitz and Birkenau (Washington, DC), November 1944.
4. See Nuremberg document PS-3311 (USA-293). Published in the IMT "blue
series," Vol. 32, pp. 153-158.
5. See the report in Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945, p. 4, and the UP report in the
Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, p. 2.
6. Night (Avon/Discus). See esp. pp. 41, 42, 43, 44, 79, 93.
7. Paroles d'�tranger (Editions du Seuil, 1982), p. 86.
8. "Author, Teacher, Witness," Time magazine, March 18, 1985, p. 79.
9. "Le Syst�me concentrationnaire allemand [1940-1944]," Revue d'histoire de
la Deuxi�me Guerre mondiale, July 1954, p. 18, n. 2.
10. Le Journal du Dimanche, March 30, 1985, p. 5.
11. Lib�ration, Jan. 24, 1986, p. 19.
12. Published by Stein and Day (New York). Paperback edition of 1984. (xii +
180 pages.) With a foreword by Yehuda Bauer of the Institute of Contemporary
Jewry, Hebrew University, Jerusalem.
13. Carlo Mattogno, Auschwitz: un caso di plagio, Parma (Italy): 1986. See
also: C. Mattogno, "Auschwitz: A Case of Plagiarism," The Journal of Historical
Review, Spring 1990, pp. 5-24.
14. Paperback edition, 1961, and later, published by Fawcett Crest (New
York).
15. Legends of Our Time (chapter 12: "Appointment with Hate"), New York:
Schocken Books, 1982, p. 142, or, New York: Avon, 1968, pp. 177-178.
16. The Week in Germany (published in New York by the German government in
Bonn), Jan. 31, 1986, p. 2.
17. "The Holocaust: Its Use and Abuse Within the American Public," Yad Vashem
Studies (Jerusalem), 1981, p. 316.
18. VSD, May 29, 1986, p. 37.
19. Ouest-France, August 2-3, 1986, p. 6.
#2002
ZuLu
Auschwitz Survivor Claims Elie Wiesel is an Impostor
March 4, 2009
Latest! "Elie Wiesel" and his Accuser are in Famous Buchenwald Photo (See below main
story)
Translated from the Hungarian by our Budapest Bureau
This article was based on this one Miklos Gruner personally approached the journal a
few days ago to propose a free interview. Gruner was accompanied by an Hungarian
doctor of medicine.
-----------------------------------
In May 1944 , when Miklos Gruner was 15, he was deported from Hungary to
Auschwitz-Birkenau with his mother and father as well as both a younger and an elder
brother. He says that his mother and his younger brother were immediately gased after
their arrival in the camp. Then he, his elder brother and their father had an inmate
number tattooed on their arms and were sent to perform hard work in a synthetic fuel
factory linked to IG Farben where the father died six months later. After that, the
elder brother was sent to Mauthausen and, as the young Miklos was then alone, two
elder Jewish inmates who were also Hungarians and friends with his late father took
him under their protection. These two protectors of the young Miklos were the Lazar
and Abraham Wiesel brothers.
In the following months, Miklos Gruner and the Wiesel brothers became good friends.
Lazar Wiesel was 31 years old in 1944. Miklos never forgot the number Lazar was
tattooed with by the Nazis: A-7713. In January 1945, as the Russian army was coming,
the inmates were transferred to Buchenwald. During the ten days this transfer took,
partly by foot, partly by train, more than half of the inmates died and amongst them
was Abraham, the elder brother of Lazar Wiesel. In April 8, 1945, the US army
liberated Buchenwald. Miklos and Lazar were amongst the survivors of the camp. As
Miklos had tuberculosis, he was sent in a Swiss clinic and therefore was separated
from Lazar. After recovering, Miklos emigrated to Australia while his elder brother,
who also survived the war, established himself in Sweden.
Years later, in 1986, Miklos was contacted by the Swedish journal Sydsvenska
Dagbladet in Malmo and invited to meet "an old friend" named Elie Wiesel... As Miklos
answered that he doesn`t know anyone with this name, he was told Elie Wiesel was the
same person Miklos knew in the Nazi camps under the name Lazar Wiesel and with the
inmate number A-7713... Miklos still remembered that number and he was therefore
convinced at that point that he was going to meet his old friend Lazar and happily
accepted the invitation to meet him at the Savoj Hotel in Stockholm on December 14,
1986. Miklos recalls:
" I was very happy at the idea of meeting Lazar but when I confronted the so-caled
"Eli Wiesel", I was stunned to see a man I didn`t recognize at all, who didn`t even
speak Hungarian or Yiddish and instead he was speaking English in a strong French
accent. Therefore our meeting was over in about ten minutes. As a goodbye gift, the
man gave me his book entitled "Night" of which he claimed to be the author. I
accepted the book I didn`t know at that time but told everyone there that this man
was not the person he pretended to be!"
Miklos recalls that during this strange meeting, Elie Wiesel refused to show him the
tattooed number on his arm, saying he didn`t want to exhibit his body. Miklos adds
that Elie Wiesel showed his tattooed number afterward to an Israeli journalist who
Miklos met and this journalist told Miklos that he didn`t have time to identify the
number but... was certain it wasn`t a tattoo. Miklos says:
- After that meeting with Elie Wiesel, I spent twenty years of research and found out
that the man calling himself Elie Wiesel has never been in a Nazi concentration camp
since he was not included in any official list of detainees.
Miklos also found out that the book Elie Wiesel gave him in 1986 as something he has
written himself was in fact written in Hungarian in 1955 by Miklos' old friend Lazar
Wiesel and published in Paris under the title "Un di Velt hot Gesvigen", meaning
approximately "The World Kept Silent". The book was then shortened and rewritten in
French as well as in English in order to be published under the author`s name Elie
Wiesel in 1958, under the french title "La Nuit" and the English title "Night". Ten
million copies of the book were sold in the world by Elie Wiesel who even received a
Nobel Peace prize for it in 1986 while -says Miklos- the real author Lazar Wiesel was
mysteriously missing...
- Elie Wiesel never wanted to meet me again, says Miklos. He became very successful;
he takes 25 thousand dollars for a 45 minutes speech on the Holocaust. I have
officially reported to the FBI in Los Angeles.I have also complained to governments
and media, in the US and Sweden with no result.
I have received anonymous calls telling me I could be shot if I don`t shut up but I
am not afraid of death any more. I have deposited the whole dossier in four different
countries and, if I died suddenly, they would be made public. The world must know
that Elie Wiesel is an impostor and I am going to tell it, I am going to publish the
truth in a book called "Stolen Identity A7713".
PERSON IDENTIFIED AS ELIE WIESEL IN FAMOUS BUCHENWALD PHOTO IS NOT WIESEL
Miklos Gruner and "Elie Wiesel" in most famous Holocaust Picture,
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_ph.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007176&MediaId=4052
taken at Buchenwald on April 16, 1945. Gruner is the boy at the extreme left on the
bottom row, while "Wiesel" is 7th from left, middle row. "Wiesel" looks pretty old
to be born in 1928, i.e 17 years old. Compare with Miklos Gruner who was 16.
According to Gruner this man is not Lazar Wiesel or Elie Wiesel. He implies neither
Lazar Wiesel nor Elie Wiesel are this picture.
"Itt voltunk 1945. �prilis 8-ig, itt szabad�tottak fel minket a bevonul� amerikai
csapatok. �n rajta is vagyok azon a f�nyk�pen, amelyet a t�borr�l k�sz�tettek �s
bej�rta a vil�got."
Translation: "We (himself and Lazar) were there (Buchenwald) until April 8, 1945 when
we were liberated by the Americans. I myself am even in that camp photo which was
taken then by the Americans and was shown all over the world."
My correspondent writes: "the identification number given for "Elie Wiesel" on the
picture (123565) isn`t even the number Gruner says was tattooed on Lazar Wiesel."
Here is a very large and high resolution copy of the Buchenwald photo:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Buchenwald_Slave_Laborers_Liberation.jpg
Look at the man in the photo presented as Elie Wiesel: he is not a teenager but a man
in his late 20's or 30's.
http://www.henrymakow.com/translated_from_the_hungarian.html
RJ11
(snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
Deal with the facts, nazi kook.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/dachau-corpses.GIF
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
</quote>
RJ.
Honest truth
> Honest truth escribio':
>> So now you admit that the holocaust took place! What made you Domingo the
>> Avenger change your mind? I hope it was something I said to you.
>
> Define "holokost"
>
Yet again I have to correct you ZuLu the word is spelt "holocaust"
>
>>> According to a booklet obtained from the Buchenwald Memorial Site,
>>> which was written by Sabine and Harry Stein, "A total of 11,000 Jews
>>> lost their lives in Buchenwald. Out of the 13,969 inmates who died in
>>> 1945, there were 7,000 Jews."
>>>
>>> http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Buchenwald/DeathStatistics.html
>>
Honest truth
> Auschwitz Survivor Claims Elie Wiesel is an Impostor
>
> March 4, 2009
>
> Latest! "Elie Wiesel" and his Accuser are in Famous Buchenwald Photo (See below main
> story)
>
> Translated from the Hungarian by our Budapest Bureau
>
> This article was based on this one Miklos Gruner personally approached the journal a
> few days ago to propose a free interview. Gruner was accompanied by an Hungarian
> doctor of medicine.
How does that ZuLu help your case as Miklos Gruner states that the
holocaust took place.
NoSpamAtAll
Honest truth <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote:
> How does that ZuLu help your case as Miklos Gruner states that the
> holocaust took place.
Bernard Gey (aka "zulu") is, like all other Holocaust deniers,
a cultist fanatic. He does not listen to reason.
ZuLu
Who told that, Elie Wiesel?
ZuLu
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:32:15 +0100, ZuLu wrote:
>
>> Honest truth escribio':
>>> So now you admit that the holocaust took place! What made you Domingo the
>>> Avenger change your mind? I hope it was something I said to you.
>> Define "holokost"
>>
>
> Yet again I have to correct you ZuLu the word is spelt "holocaust"
Maybe holoco$t also.
ZuLu
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:03:11 +0100, ZuLu wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> Auschwitz Survivor Claims Elie Wiesel is an Impostor
>>
>> March 4, 2009
>>
>> Latest! "Elie Wiesel" and his Accuser are in Famous Buchenwald Photo (See below main
>> story)
>>
>> Translated from the Hungarian by our Budapest Bureau
>>
>> This article was based on this one Miklos Gruner personally approached the journal a
>> few days ago to propose a free interview. Gruner was accompanied by an Hungarian
>> doctor of medicine.
>
> How does that ZuLu help your case as Miklos Gruner states that the
> holocaust took place.
>
Which holokost? Where did Gruner tell that he "saw" the massive gassings of people at
the camps he was interned?
Please give us here that part to read.
ZuLu
Again that canard, you seems to not understand what is "reason", do you?
If you put it all my friends' names the list can be long....
Why don't you explain to me how did SS ventilated their "gas chambers"?
Since I put here my technical observations on that topic, I am still waiting for a
convincing argumentation able to rebate it on the same technical level.
It has NEVER existed those so called "murder gas chambers" for "gassing in mass"
jews or gypsies or gays or whatever.
WE are still waiting for some MATERIAL PROOF for the existence of rooms were
"millions of people" are supposed to have been "gassed".
Millions of people "gassed" and NO MATERIAL PROOF to sustain it...`Hmmm.
All we have are ludicrous attempts to make us believe that ACTUAL MORGUES were used
as "gas chambers"...with NOTHING working properly, more than 100 hundred PERMANENT
OPENINGS toward outside and a DEFICIENT VENTILATION which DIDN'T allow the evacuation
of the poisonous gas after each supposed "gassing"....Just to name a few...
Holofolky scholars need some classes of "how to read a drawing" and of (so little)
engineering...
<zulu>
After reviewing the chapter "How can I waste the Zyclon B that I even don't have" by
dummy SS, we are going to study now the chapter
"I don't know how to ventilate properly my gas chambers" by the same dummy SS.
Even Pressac recognized that the ventilation system at Krema II and III were designed
for morgues and was unappropriated to use such rooms as "gas chambers".
<< Drawing 1173 shows the cross section of Leichenkeller 1 (the future gas chamber)
where it joins the ground floor of the building, and shows in detail the paths of the
ventilation and air extraction ducts. The transformation of this room into a
homicidal gas chamber did not bring about any modification in the ventilation system,
which had been designed for an underground morgue. The idea was that fresh air coming
in [Bel�ftung] near the ceiling would cool and descend to the lower layers and be
taken out near floor level through the air extraction ducts [Entl�ftung]. If the
system had been designed in the first place for a gas chamber using hydrocyanic
acid, it would have been reversed with respect to that drawn, with the fresh air
coming in below and the warm, toxic air being extracted from above. This
cross-section, contrary to what historians have hitherto claimed, cannot be used to
prove the existence of a homicidal gas chamber in Leichenkeller 1 of Krematorium II.>>
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/pressac0274.shtml
http://www.mazal.org/Pressac/Pressac0274.htm
However that issue didn't seem to represent a major contradiction with the thesis of
his book and he didn't insisted very much on that point.
Then, in order to have an efficient ventilation after each operation of gassing, we
face a weird issue:
A- The ventilation system of the supposed gas chamber was in reality appropriated for
a mortuary that needed to be aired out in order to eliminate the bad odor produced by
the decomposition of the corpses. But as Pressac acknowledges again, the system was
not the most appropriated for ventilating a gas chamber
<< The ventilation system of Leichenkeller 1 had initially been designed for a
morgue, with the fresh air entering near the ceiling and the cold unhealthy air being
drawn out near the floor. Its use as a gas chamber really required the reverse
situation, with the fresh air coming in near the floor and warm air saturated with
hydrocyanic acid being drawn out near the ceiling. >>
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/page224.shtml
In Order to figure out better how is designed the system of ventilation of the rooms
named Leichenkeller 1 (morgue 1) at Krema II and III I drew some schematic pictures.
1. Section of Leichenkeller as drawn by the civilian firm Huta with colored
indications for "air extraction" and "air entrance".
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/ZuluBumba/Ventilation%20system/1-Leichenkeller1KremaIISection.jpg
2. Schematic representation of the system of ventilation designed for the morgue by
SS. Nobody tried to represent how actually was the air circulation at that room.
So, I did.
3. A lateral view of the room that Pressac never tried to show on his book. It is
important to figure out the numerous openings which existed and their location in the
room. To be noticed that during the "gassing operations" the openings located near
the ceiling allowed the HCN gas to go outside the room. There were 50 openings on the
top of the morgue 1 at Krema II and 95 at morgue 1 at Krema III. Near the floor those
rooms had 40 openings as exhaustion outlets.
Holofolkies call those morgues "gas chambers".
B- This system presented yet another difficulty. The poison gas had to exit through
holes, located just above the floor, which led to a "ventilation conduit"
(Entl�ftungskanal). With the density of people 9.5 to 14 per square meter (batches of
2000 to 3000 people into the 209 m2 room according with "eyewitnesses") ones can
imagine that the mass of fallen corpses was able to to block up. totally the little
openings located near the floor.
I made a schematic view in order to have a good representation of that BIG FAILURE on
the supposed "gas chamber" ventilation supposedly planed by the SS.
4. Ventilation of Leichenkeller 1" supposedly working as "gas chamber".
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/ZuluBumba/Ventilation%20system/4-Ventilation_Leinchenkeller_1gc.jpg
With that schema we can appreciate the absurdity of the allegation made by the
exterminationists concerning the "efficiency" of the ventilation of the room after
each "gassing operation". We can observe that, taking into account the high density
of people told by the "eyewitnesses", the fallen corpses would close irremediably the
little openings near the floor and make the air extraction impossible. Without air
extraction there is no low pressure into the room and, as consequence, the natural
air entrance would be also impossible and the HCN gas wouldn't be evacuated within 15
to 30 min like we are told on the tales. Do you thinks that holfolky scholars are
serious people by sustaining such technical absurdity?
If the SS had actually the intention to make a gas chamber by using that morgue
(Leichenkeller 1) these two problems could easily have been avoided had them merely
put the extractor fan on the superior ducts (blue) and made the inferior holes on the
superior part of the wall conducts (yellow).
The SS obviously didn't make such transformation because it was not necessary. The
morgues were NEVER MODIFIED and NEVER WORKED as "gas chambers".
It is amazing to observe that by any side one analyzes the "gas chambers" hoax on its
technical aspect one falls on a blatant technical absurdity.
<zulu>
RJ11
(snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
Deal with the facts, nazi kook.
Two of the Birkenau crematoriums:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema3.shtml
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema4.shtml
A document which mentions a "gassing cellar" in an Auschwitz-Birkenau
crematorium:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
Cremation furnaces:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnaces.shtml
A report by SS experts, estimating the cremation capacity in Auschwitz-
Birkenau at 4,756 corpses in 24 hours:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnace-capacity.shtml
SS labor deployment report, listing 870 stokers in the Auschwitz-
Birkenau crematoriums:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/aug2-3.shtml
A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
RJ.
ZuLu
LOL. All of your assertions have been rebated one by one on previous posts.
You should be very worried to have so little to support the supposed "gassing" of 4
millions of people...
That hoax is a technical absurdity and the future will show it despite the laws which
forbid to discuss publicly historical facts when related with that matter.
We just need scholars who receive some advise from engineers.
RJ11
> RJ11 escribi:
>> Deal with the facts, nazi kook.
>>
>> Two of the Birkenau crematoriums:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema3.shtml
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/krema4.shtml
>>
>> A document which mentions a "gassing cellar" in an Auschwitz-Birkenau
>> crematorium:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Vergasungkeller.shtml
>>
>> A document requesting cyanide gas detectors for an Auschwitz-Birkenau crematorium:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/Gas-Detector.shtml
>>
>> Cremation furnaces:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnaces.shtml
>>
>> A report by SS experts, estimating the cremation capacity in Auschwitz-
>> Birkenau at 4,756 corpses in 24 hours:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/furnace-capacity.shtml
>>
>> SS labor deployment report, listing 870 stokers in the Auschwitz-
>> Birkenau crematoriums:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/documents/auschwitz/aug2-3.shtml
>>
>> A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers:
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
> LOL. All of your assertions have been rebated one by one on previous posts.
Suuure, nazi kook. Suuure.
RJ.
ZuLu
Real life, facts, material evidences, technique & logic, that's it.
You'd better to prepare yourself to the exposition of the truth in a next future.
Few alleged "eyewitnesses" of "massive gassings" are LIARS. WE already have at least
a material proof that the alleged "secrecy" of those alleged murder operations is A LIE.
Anyone whop knows how to read a plan and observe the places is able to debunk such
absurdity.
More a lot of things constitutes blatant evidences of that hoax.
As Rudolf Vrba. who was the first to spread the supposed "massive gassings" at
Auschwitz (poetical license he finally admitted at the Zundel's trial in Toronto,
well...) the other alleged "direct eyewitnesses" will be unmasked just like that
motherfucker who will never recognize he LIED even after being badly debunked.
"It was true on my imagination", that's the bullshitted excuse we can expect from all
of them...
Here you can see how chutzpah works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak&feature=related
I have a dream...
To each his own dreams!
Amongst mine is this: there will come a day when, in a vast gallery of photographs, a
revisionist freely displays, one by one, the dismal mugs of the thousand or so
people, men and women, who since the 1940s have made a mark for themselves in
upholding the lies of �the Holocaust� and the �gas chambers�.
In the main room will hang, in pride of place, Elie Wiesel, Simon Wiesenthal, Otto
Heinrich Frank (Anne Frank�s father) and Simone Veil, as well as an array of heads of
State (in particular, all the successive presidents of the United States), not
forgetting the top-flight intellectuals like Jean-Paul Sartre or prestigious
historians like Fernand Braudel. The photos of members of the lawyer tribe, such as
Robert Badinter, and of gossip hacks, like Madeleine Jacob and Edwy Plenel, will be
relegated to an annex for refuse storage.
The photos will all be connected to computers on which visitors can read, see and
hear what those figures and thousands of other liars or smooth-talk peddlers have
accumulated in the way of �Holocaust� lies, inventions, dishonesty, fraud, slander
and insults along with calls for hatred, violence, censorship and repression against
the revisionists.
But I shall have quite a few other museographic ideas to suggest, which will make the
place a living, active and even, as they say, �interactive� gallery.
The jackals and vultures who, still today, are running or flying to the aid of the
Great Lie are hereby warned that a place awaits them in that gallery. If ever some
day, on a change of wind, they should feel a sudden urge to be forgotten, to give us
the slip or plead that their �errors� were committed �in good faith�, or even attempt
somehow to cover their tracks, the photographic exhibition will be there to refresh
their memory and remind them of their wickedness. There will be no Great Atonement
for the apostles or devotees of the Great Lie.
Robert Faurisson, October 15, 2009
http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/
RJ11
> Real life, facts, material evidences, technique & logic,
Here, nazi kook. Facts and material evidence:
A study of the cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas
chambers can be found in
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml
Some pointers to the investigation of mass graves in the
death camps are provided below:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
</quote>
A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists, headed by
Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland, who is the
author of more than 130 papers on archaeology. The team studied the site
of the death camp, drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
samples. The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
"BELZEC. THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
Excavations 1997-1999". ISBN 83-905590-6-4). The study has recovered
human remains over a very large area, to a depth of up to six meters.
The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
RJ.
ZuLu
NOTHING NEW. ALL DEBUNKED.