I, Grosvenor: Mental Throwback
W. Grosvenor <21830875@3web.net >
In article <1999112515...@cotse.com>,
kenfa...@fags.R.us <anon...@cotse.com>, I, Bill
Grosvenor, recommended:
GROSVENOR FAQ v0.7 1/25/99
This FAQ is an attempt to assimilate the Wit and Wisdom of
one William Grosvenor aka William Gruber aka "Anonymous,"
aka:
2183...@3web.net
ome...@casanostra.com four...@no.spam.com
torqu...@inquisition.com mor...@shamrock.com
sol...@moloch.com kenm...@nazikor.org
kenga...@nazikor.org
rose...@temple.com
klar...@zhid.org
saba...@nozhid.org
gayg...@gehenna.zhid.org
bjarn...@zhid.org
kenoy...@zhid.org
bjarn...@hootmail.org
sbjar...@heimat.zhid.org oyvay...@zhid.org
sbjarnason@eretz. zhid.org
sbjarn...@nazikor.zhid.orgy
gol...@gehenna.org sbjar...@zhid.org
keng...@nazikor.zhd.org bisma...@antizohid.org
KenS...@zhid.oz.
lo...@rakyat.com
chi...@chambre.com koy...@nazikor.org
dco...@chambre.com coh...@kammer.com
kad...@kammer.com
kenm...@nazikor.niz.org
el...@nazikor.nizkook.org koy...@nazikor.org
kaha...@nazikor.niz.org ma...@alahram.net
pils...@copernic.com
coper...@polskiogurki.org
stp...@roma.org
stp...@roma.org
cho...@pocciya.com chor...@poccia.com
siko...@warzawa.00.net
sbarne...@zhid.fags.org
kensi...@zhid.bs.oz
This FAQ may be freely distributed. (In fact, it makes a
great .sig when replying to Mr. Grosvenor's Usenet posts...)
So now for the questions. Quoted text is indented and
references are noted in brackets (e.g., [1] ) and are
listed at the bottom of this document.
Who Is William Grosvenor?
Let's let Mr. Grosvenor start things off [1]:
WILLIAM GROSVENOR
Member Since: January 02, 96
Gender: Male
Age: 56 years
Address: Alberta, CANADA
Nationality: British
Birth Place: UK
Profession: International Management Consultant
Education: P.mgr., Fic, Fiaa, Cga
Hobbies: Stamp Collecting, Computers, Travel
Likes: International correspondence
Dislikes: Faggots, policical correct vermin
Wants to be
Friends with: Both Male and Female from Age 25 to 65 years
Relevant: Have lived and worked and owned businesses
throughout Europe, coast to coast in Nort America, as well
as in several countries of se Asia, where I met my Malasian
wife, Sario
EMAIL: inter...@grosvenor.net or 2183...@3web.net
A few observations can be made at this point. First, while
he resides in Canada, he claims British citizenship
(although he has also claimed Canadian citizenship to a
different audience [24]).
Second, he claims to be an "International Management
Consultant", but professional reporters have been unable to
find any clients of Mr. Grosvenor's 'firm'. [25, 26]
Third, his intolerance and bigotry starts to show, e.g.,
his dislikes are "Faggots, policical correct vermin".
He Dislikes "Faggots"???
As we shall see, he seems to hate just about everyone, but,
first a few select quotes from Mr. G on the topic of
homosexuality. This may eventually lead him to problems
with the Canadian Human Rights Act, which takes a dim view
of such public utterances as those published by Grosvenor.
You are obviously a diseased faggot, yourself dying of AIDS.
Your lies will probably cause your diseased brain to
accelerate the death you deserve.[2]
AIDS is definitely one of Mother nature's best ways to
select only the fittest of the species of mankind to
survive.
However, do not forget that AIDS is almost exclusively a
LIFESTYLE CHOICE of those perverts who indulge themselves
as faggots.
AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide by the Canadian
faggot with Air Canada. This is irrefutably documented in
the book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON". {note: this claim has
been refuted [4]}
Hopefully, all those diseased vermin will soon die, so that
the rest of humanity can go back to doing their normal
activities.[3]
As for faggots, they serve no useful purpose on this earth,
and only in cremation, will their ashes serve some use as
fertliser.[31]
Actually, I am very careful with whom I do
business.Fortunately, faggots do not seem to be involved,
yet, in the stamp business, so I don't have to deal with
any.
Sorry, but I reserve the right as to whom I will deal,and
faggots are not approved by me.[5]
After all, nature created only two normal sexes - male or
female. If you say that you are neither, then you obviuosly
are not human.
As for the other terms used by and for the perverts, that
is their choice.[6]
It looks as though you have more than the normal share of
gall. But then, one must expect perverts to be abnormal,and
even subhuman.
The only good faggot, is an incinerated one. Verstehen Sie?
[7]
Just because there have been criminals, and perverts
throughout history, does not legalise these offensive
vermin.
The best way to get rid of these perverts, is
extermination, by whatever method the state prefers to use.
[8]
Further, in many civilised nations, such as Singapore,
Malaysia, and Saudi Arabia to name a few, sodomy as
practiced by faggots is a criminal offence, with
punishments as prescribed by law.
In Muslim nations, the qu'ranic punishment is usually
stoning to death.
I would suggest that these perverts should be eliminated in
a more practical method for the needs of normal society.
Suggestions would include:
medical experiments for treatments using new procedures;
medical experiments for new drugs and treatments;
target practice for the military and police recruits;
target practice for victims to use, in preparing warning
videos to present to children, to show that the penalty for
crimes is death.These would be similar to the Malaysia &
Singapore programs "DADAH IS DEATH"[9]
These extra benefits for their faggot friends were brought
to you by Herr Stein/Rock, Gray/Graustein, and Kaplan among
others. They were strongly supported by major members of
the World Jewish Congress, who feel that faggots deserve
special rights and privileges, just as in Sodom and
Gommorrah!!![10]
The Jews Are In On This Too?
And then some - like we said earlier, Grosvenor hates just
about everyone:
Why are the JEWS allowed to break the laws of sovereign
Quebec?
Did they terrorise some government officials, or were
officials otherwise induced??[11]
So why should the JEWS be allowed to break the provincial
laws? Other religions, such as the majority Christians,
must obey the law, so why not the damn JEWS?[12]
And don't forget that the forerunner organisation of the
KGB was set up by that Polish JEW Louis Dzerzhinski, who
helped elimiate all opponents to communism in the USSR,
including the mass extermination in Ukraine in the
1930's!!!Ther NKVD/KGB were and are mainly JEWS,still.[13]
It seems that Ostrov just doesn't believe in telling the
truth, which seems to be a failing of those of the Jewish
persuasion, and their lackeys.[14]
What special JEWISH ARITHMETIC is used to increase several
million dollars to SEVEN BILLION?
Is it this special Jewish Arithmetic that increased the
International Red Cross figure of 320,000 to the now
fictitious figure of six millions?[15] {note: the IRC
refutes this claim}
If being Jewish had nothing to do with the biggest tax scam
in Canadian history, then why is it the biggest tax scam
in Canadian history?[16]
Note that not all Jews fit the slimy description, since
there must be some good Jews.[23]
I suggest that you MUST consider the ethnic treatment of
Chinese by thecommunist Canadian government, vis a vis, the
white JEWISH BRONFMANs.[17]
Grosvenor's A Racist, Too?
You noticed, eh? Grosvenor’s an all-round bigot. For
instance:
The JEWS think they control Canada, but I believe it is now
about time for the whites in Quebec and Canada to start to
clean their countries.[18]
In view of last night's riots in Montreal,and the comments
of M.Parizeau regarding Jews and natives,responsible
travellers should seriously consider whether it is safe for
non-frenchies in Quebec.
If you must visit Quebec,be sure to bring your flak
jacket.Guns for self-protection are not allowed in
communist Canada,since our government wants only criminals
and natives to have weapons.
In other words,much of Canada is no longer safe for
foreigners who do not speak with a Quebec French patois.
[19]
Cretin is kissing the asses of the frogs in Quebec,and also
those of the native homelands.[20]
Quite frankly,I doubt that it will have much impact on
North Americans.It will reduce the numbers of
Poles,Ukranians,Russians and the like who to many Slovaks,
were undesirables in any case.[21]
Yes, my articles are definitely racist.
You bet, the above points may seem racist, because the JEWS
claim to be a race, not that they are, and the Chinese are
now being victimised to make up for the frauds of the JEWS.
[22]
Is There Anyone Grosvenor Doesn't Hate?
Surprisingly, there is. After extensive questioning, he
came up with this list:
Obviously I do not hate Chinese, Malaysians, Singaporeans,
taiwanese, Germans, Iranians and Iraquis, to name just a
few of the groups of people that I respect.[23]
However, so far he hasn't come up with a rationale for this
choice, nor has he talked about how his Malay wife feels
about his schmoozing with nazi activists who call
Orientals "mud people."
Ironically, Grosvenor's buddies, the Ghermezian brothers,
who we'll meet later, are originally from Iran. Of course,
given what they did to him in court, Grosvenor obviously
has a lot of respect for them. (You can have a lot of fun
with this one, since Grosvenor's been muzzled by a Canadian
court - if he talks about the Ghermezian brothers or their
company, Triple Five, he will be jailed. Several people on
the net routinely ask him, for instance, if he can
spell "Ghermezian.")
Anyone Else?
Mr. G also harbours an active dislike of immigrants,
especially those with criminal records, e.g.:
What about the almost 6,000 MINISTER'S PERMITS given out
last year to unqualified people,admitted as so-called
immigrants?
This included more than 1,500 convicted criminals, which
Canada apparently prefers to good workers or investors!!!
[32]
As though Canada has not enough criminals, the communist
government of Canada wants to IMPORT MORE!!!
Many of these were of course from Russia,and many were
involved in serious crimes there.
Why should we be bringing in more criminals, when they are
already a serious problem here?[33]
Of course, the irony here is that Mr. G himself *is* an
immigrant with a criminal record.
He's A Criminal?
Yep. Convictions in Canada for both assault and extortion
[26]. His criminal record before first immigrating to
Canada, if any, is not known, although he changed his name
from Gruber to Grosvenor not long after first arriving in
Canada, and it is alleged that he was tried and convicted
of fraud while living in Newcastle-onm-Tyne.
After First Arriving In Canada?
According to Alberta Report[26], Grosvenor first arrived in
Canada in the mid-1960s. Grosvenor himself has claimed the
year of arrival to be 1965, probably from Newcastle,
England [27].
Where he was in the 1970s is something of a point of
contention. For instance, Alberta Report quotes Grosvenor
as claiming to have been a consultant, "processed for top
secret and military security clearance," to the prime
minister of Malaysia.[26]
Grosvenor has made a number of other claims about this
period, such as:
I am a former Consultant to the Prime Minister of Malaysia
in Finace, Planning, and Economic Development.
Further, in the past I was an official of the Governments
of Indonesia and Taiwan,in Indonesia.[28]
(This cannot be confirmed, and is probably about as
reliable as the rest of Grosvenor’s boasts.)
I was a Senior Official of the Government of Malaysia.
Further I was an Official of the Governments of Taiwan, and
of Indonesia.
As a consequence, having lived and worked in S.E.Asia, I
have some feeling for residents of these areas.[29]
yes, I have been an official of the Governments of
Malaysia, Indonesia, and Taiwan.[30]
By the way, I am NOt a student. When I was in Malaysia, I
was a professor, trying to instill some knowledge in
capable students.[31]
So "professor", just how _does_ one spell "finance"? (Note
that Grosvenor has refused repeatedly to give details of
these positions, probably because they never existed. Would
YOU hire him?)
According to Alberta Report, Grosvenor then reappeared in
Canada about 1980 in Edmonton, where he has resided until
the present. [26]
However, Grosvenor disputes this record. For instance:
More lies from the damn JEWS. Since I am a Canadian, I did
NOT immigrate tqice, as the liar claims.[24]
If he didn't immigrate twice to Canada, he must not have
left in the 1970s as he has claimed. Also:
I have been a professional accountant in Canada for more
than 30 years,including consulting on Canadian taxes.[34]
If we are to believe Grosvenor when he says he came to
Canada in 1965, and if we believe when he says he has
spent "more than 30 years" there, we must come to the
conclusion that he has been in Canada continuously from
1965 until now. So, how could he also have lived in Asia,
as he claims:
First, I have lived and worked in S.E.Asia, in Malaysia,
Singapore, Indonesia and Taiwan.[35]
Who knows? Maybe he's soooo schizophrenic that one
personality remained in Canada while another chose to live
in Asia (and who could blame it for wanting to get as far
away from Grosvenor as it could...).
Hold On Now. He's a Foreigner, Yet Complains About Canada?
Mr. Grosvenor, a guest in Canada, shows his contempt for
his adopted country regularly. Here are some examples:
If you have any sense, you should seriously consider and
AVOID CANADA!!
AVOID CANADA has continued to show that the risks, and
costs of going to Canada will result in a much reduced
lifestyle, compared to living in Hong Kong, Malaysia,
Singapore or other civilised country.
AVOID CANADA details the fact that now in Canada faggots
have special rights. This means that if you do any business
with the government, you MUST hire faggots,even if with
AIDS,no matter about the risk to the lives of yourself and
others.
AVOID CANADA has been presented from the perspective of an
immigrant,since I am one.I lived and worked in SE Asia, in
Malaysia,Indonesia and Taiwan,and understand the important
values of those who succeed.
AVOID CANADA is concerned about traditional family values,
while Canada being communist(have you already forgotten
that former PM Trudeau studied in Moscow), wants to
destroy the traditional family.That is why they give
special rights to faggots and similar perverts.[36]
One thing to note is that even though Grosvenor claims here
to have lived in S.E. Asia (supporting the theory he
immigrated twice to Canada), he also claims that living in
Canada "will result in a much reduced lifestyle". One
wonders why he moved back, in that case.
In any event, Grosvenor's unhappiness with Canada has led
him to lay out plans for his own country, "Canada West", or
more commonly called "Grosvenor-Reich", details of which
can be found on his homepage [37].
Setting aside the issue of whether this foreign national
lobbying for the destruction of Canada is an act of treason
or sedition, it turns out that Grosvenor-Reich would not be
the paradise Mr. G expects. For instance, from
his "Immigration Policy":
IMMIGRATION will be strictly regulated. Only persons useful
to the economy of Western Canada will be admitted.
Criminals, so-called economic refugees, those unable to
support themselves, those with AIDS, and those expected to
be a drain on the taxpayers will not be admitted.
Sponsors of immigrants will be required to deposit a
substantial cash bond with the Government for 10 years, to
cover any costs should the sponsored immigrant ever become
a cost to taxpayers. In fact, those costing taxpayers while
not yet a citizen should be deported to their country of
origin.[37]
Note the part: "Criminals, {...} will not be admitted."
As a criminal immigrant, Mr. G would be the first deported
from his personal fascist state. To paraphrase Groucho
Marx, William Grosvenor would not live in a country which
would have him as citizen...
If He Hates Canada Too, Why Doesn't He Leave?
Oh, he has promised to, but is such a failure as a
businessman that he can’t afford to leave.
Feel free to get back to me directly,should you wish more
info about the problems of Canada.I will be there just for
a short while longer,before I relocate with all my
businesses.[36]
I will not allow any faggot-loving government to tell me
whom I should deal with, and sooner than allow these
vermin, I am closing down businesses.[38]
Professional, 56 years old wishes to emigrate/relocate.
Skills include professor of accounting & business
management, have owned many businesses around the world,
could also teach English.
Hold British passport,and would prefer relocating to
country where English spoken, such as Ireland,Central
America, or perhaps South America, or S.E.Asia?[39]
Sadly, although lots of people would gladly contribute to
purchasing him a one-way ticket to someplace <anyplace!>
else, Mr. G is not a man of his word. One theory is that
his wife, who owns the house he lives in, would cut off his
allowance if he left, forcing Mr. G to find a job.
He Doesn't Have A Job?
While he likes to pretend to be an "international
businessman", e.g., as on one of his rare homepages [40]:
The GROSVENOR INTERNATIONAL GROUP is a multinational group
of businesses operating worldwide, presently based in
northern Canada. Some of our prominent activities include:
INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MANAGEMENT INC. does
International Management Consulting. It has done
assignments in South East Asia, including Malaysia,
Indonesia and Taiwan.
GROSVENOR STAMP CO. is an international stamps dealer and
auction firm for stamps for collectors. (APS#D138099) We
now do LARGE TRADES / EXCHANGES with dealers and collectors
worldwide. As a service to collectors in countries where
dollars are scarce, we also offer COMPUTER PROGRAMS IN
EXCHANGE FOR STAMPS.
UNIQUE COMPUTER DISTRIBUTING has been an importer and
dealer of computers for more than 16 years.
William Grosvenor , P.Mgr., FIC, FIAA - C.E.O. GROSVENOR
INTERNATIONAL GROUP[40]
It turns out that all of Mr. G's businesses are run out of
his wife's house, a modest three-bedroom bungalow in the
Dickensfield neighborhood of Edmonton. Furthermore, with
one exception, none of his "businesses" have phones or can
be found in any business directory [41]. (The phone listing
for his bookkeeping business appears to be the family
number.)
Of course, Mr. G has an explanation for this:
I keep my businesses private, as the law permits,and it is
none of anyone's business how I operate, as long as I do
so legally,as I do.[43]
Another breakthrough from the "INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF
MANAGEMENT INC." (Mr. G's bookkeeping business): Stealth
marketing -- how better to keep away those pesky potential
customers?
To get an idea of the holdings of the "GROSVENOR
INTERNATIONAL GROUP", we can examine the case of the
Motherboard Upgrade. Over the last year or more, Grosvenor
has been trying to trade an old parachute for a new
motherboard for his computer. Picking up the trail, we
find:
November 5, 1995:
Will sell for best cash offer,or trade for something
useful. Items I am seeking include loaded Motherboard for
DX100 or Pentium; stamp collection;guns; or what offers?
[44]
May 25, 1996:
Want Pentium 133 system or similar such as S86 system, IN
TRADE for items I have,including some extra high res
scanners, etc..[45]
August 12, 1996:
Am looking to TRADE some of my items for a fully featured
Motherboard. Looking for S86 - 120 or 150 Mh board, with 32
Mb RAM.[46]
November 7, 1996:
I collect stamps, coins, starting on guns, but open to
proposals such as good Motherboard with P166 or
equivalent???[47]
You will notice that Grosvenor's requests seem to parallel
developments in the state of PC computing, starting with a
request for a 486 DX100 motherboard, and currently up to a
Pentium166. You will also notice that "UNIQUE COMPUTER
DISTRIBUTING", one of the "GROSVENOR INTERNATIONAL GROUP"
of companies, apparently only has one reasonably modern PC,
and is unable to spend a few hundred dollars to upgrade it.
When he's trying to hustle cheap motel rates, Grosvenor
also claims to be "President" of "NORTHSTAR TRAVEL".[41]
For instance:
Have been looking,so far without success,for reasonably
priced - i.e.low cost clean motels,or/and B & B in Maine
and New Brunswick for August.This is in connection with a
preliminary exploratory trip,considering possibility for
group tours of seniors from Western Canada.
So far,low cost,according to mail received,is over US$100
a day,up to $250.per day,per person.Out west we consider
$20 to $40 Canadian reasonable.[41]
$20 Canadian is about $15 American. This will give you a
feel for the financial acumen (!) of the "GROSVENOR
INTERNATIONAL GROUP".
Grosvenor Is Not A Man Of His Word?
To put it mildly, no. For example, take the case of Mr. G
vs. the Ghermezian brothers. The Ghermezian's company,
Triple Five, develops shopping malls, including the West
Edmonton Mall and the Mall of America. In the late 1980s,
the Ghermezians also developed the ire of one William
Grosvenor.
What happened? As Forbes magazine recounted [25]:
Why does he do it? Grosvenor originally told FORBES that
he had been "swindled by Triple Five." But in a more
recent conversation, he said, "They got several lots
rezoned so they could build a lousy strip mall next to my
house."
Of course, this put Grosvenor on the war path. In his
words:
Alberta Report story last month quoted Grosvenor
admitting he intends "to use all means at my disposal
anywhere in the world to put the Ghermezians out of
business."[26]
But wait, you're probably thinking to yourself. Last time
you looked, both West Edmonton Mall and Mall of America
were still in business, thriving, in fact. Why aren't the
Ghermezians out of business yet?
Well, once Mr. G reached the Ghermezian's threshold for
stupidity, they took him to court, although they had some
trouble getting him there:
After returning from West Germany last week, Grosvenor
was holed up in his home in Edmonton's Dickinsfield
neighbourhood, reportedly refusing service of the Triple
Five gag order. The company's lawyers were preparing to go
to court again Monday morning for an order allowing them to
nail the injunction to the door of Grosvenor's home, which
is in fact owned by his wife, Sario.[26]
After this point he caved-in completely, although,
according to Grosvenor, he scared those wimpy billionaires
right out of the courtroom:
An apology was requested, but the lawyers for the Jewish
Ghermezians refused to re-appear in court to finalise any
documents, so none was finalised.[48]
But what Mr. G calls their 'refusal' to re-appear was more
due to the Ghermezians having no need whatsoever to
continue action against him. A more complete story came
from the Edmonton Journal:
William Grosvenor has been found in contempt of a civil
court order not to speak against Triple Five Corp. or
interfere in its business.
Justice Russel Dixon reprimanded Grosvenor, Thursday in
Court of Queen's Bench.
Grosvenor promised to cease and desist from further anti-
Triple Five communications, including any public references
to "Ghermezianville" - a term he used to describe this City.
Grosvenor also agreed to prepare an apology to Triple
Five.[49]
The next time Grosvenor mouths off about the Ghermezians,
he will face a *second* contempt of court citation which no
Judge is likely to find amusing. Neither would Grosvenor,
who'd probably be taking a lot of long, warm prison showers
after that.
In fact, there is no evidence that Mr. G has made any
negative statements about the Ghermezians since that time.
So much for his vow to put them out of business.
This episode led to international fame for Mr. G when
Forbes magazine labelled him a "roving fruitcake". [25]
"Roving Fruitcake"?
Followed by an observation that "Grosvenor does make
occasional forays into sanity".[25] The diagnosis seems to
be official, too. Alberta Report dug up that:
Grosvenor, 48, has a criminal record for assault and
extortion, that he was diagnosed at Riverview Psychiatric
Hospital in British Columbia in 1973 as suffering from a
paranoid personality disorder, and that his harassment of
the Ghermezians is only the latest in a 20-year series of
vendettas against corporations and individuals, including
leading figures of the British Columbia legislature and
judiciary.[26]
How Can I Tell If I'm Successfully Yanking Grosvenor's
Chain?
It seems that of all the people he hates (and there are
certainly a lot of them), Grosvenor hates Jews the most.
If ou find he has corrupted your name to make it sound more
Jewish, you know you've got his working neurons into Rapid
Fire Mode.
William Grosvenor:
e-mail: inter...@grosvenor.net
e-mail: 2183...@3web.net
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