Magsaysay Assassinated?
Trexosgood
or more precisely, flew into a mountain shortly after takeoff.
However, I have talked with several individuals present at the scene.
They said that the airplane exploded in mid-air!
This scenario suggests assassination.
Persons with information, comments, please reply.
T. Rex Osgood
FCN
writes:
To a conspiracy theorist, anything and everything may suggest
assassination. Even if R.M. died of a coronary, I'm sure some people
will still think he was poisoned or something.
I guess whether or not Ramon Magsaysay was assassinated does not make
any difference now.
Bong Nacionales
Philippine Nation News Service
writes:
Jan. 2, 1996
Bong:
As one who's keenly interested in Philippine history---being a Pinoy,
for one---it makes a difference to me today (or tomorrow) "whether or
not Ramon Magsaysay was assassinated."
Because if he really was assassinated, the US Central Intelligence
(CIA) agency has a lot of questions to answer.
Now that the Col War is over, maybe, we can ask to the CIA to make
public some of its files on Ramon Magsaysay and the
Philippines---through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
I'm sure Filipinos would like to know the TRUTH behind Magsaysay's
untimely death.
John L. Shinn III
LOS ANGELES
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Rodrigo A. Dar
writes:
>I guess whether or not Ramon Magsaysay was assassinated does not make
>any difference now.
I tend to agree with this sentiment.
A couple of personal comments. One, I personally know one of RM's neice.
She was very close to him. We have, at times, discussed her uncle; but
she has never said anything about family beliefs of assasination attempts
or who might be responsible among those who did not agree with RM's
policies.
Two, I recently met someone who was in the US military stationed in the
Philippines during the RM era. His assignment had something to do with
being an adviser to RM; he was always with him. On the day RM boarded the
ill-fated airplane, this man was given a special assignment and therefore
did not the board the plane. People can read what they want of this, but
my conversations with him and my impressions of his love and respect of
RM and the Filipinos he dealt with tend to suggest to me that he knew or
suspected nothing devious where he was coming from.
Gerry Limjuco
In article <4c9gpr$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Trexosgood (trexo...@aol.com) writes:
>The conventional wisdom is that Magsaysay's airplane fell from the sky,
>or more precisely, flew into a mountain shortly after takeoff.
>
>However, I have talked with several individuals present at the scene.
>
>They said that the airplane exploded in mid-air!
>
>This scenario suggests assassination.
>
>Persons with information, comments, please reply.
>
>T. Rex Osgood
>
>trexo...@aol.com
>
The Magsaysay assasination theory is not new. There was an article
published a few years ago which offered many possible scenarios
based on eyewitness accounts. The most likely theory was that a bomb
was put on board at the last minute. It was disguised as either a
kaing of mangoes or lanzones from a friend.
JLOYOLA3
recently read a book "Killing Hope" by William Blum that Magsaysay was a
CIA man and puppet of the US government. Well, all ex-president of the
phillipines were all puppet and chosen by the US anyway.......Read the
book of Philip Agee an ex-CIA agent.
Philippine Nation News Service
==================================================
Thanks to Philip Agee.
Reading his books about the CIA gave me a deeper picture how the CIA
operates in the Philippines.
It was also Agee who exposed former US Ambassador to the Philippines
Nicholas Platt as a CIA operative while the latter was serving his post
in Manila.
Filipinos would find Philip Agee's books very informative.
tom choy
: ==================================================
John,
Don't be too naive. Do you expect Platt to work for the NISA or the KGB?
tom choy
Bambam Q.
>The conventional wisdom is that Magsaysay's airplane fell from the sky,
>or more precisely, flew into a mountain shortly after takeoff.
>
>However, I have talked with several individuals present at the scene.
>
>They said that the airplane exploded in mid-air!
>
>This scenario suggests assassination.
>
>Persons with information, comments, please reply.
>
>T. Rex Osgood
>
>trexo...@aol.com
My late grandfather, Sofronio C. Quimson, was a member of Magsaysay's
cabinet. He would have been on the plane had he not begged off at the last
minute to compete in a golf tournament. He was also witness to an incident
where a CIA agent slapped Magsaysay in the face because of a speech the
president made that the agent didn't like. The CIA back then was a very
prominent force in Philippine politics. I wouldn't put it past them to do
do such an act as assasinating the Philippine president, but then again,
it's not as if the country was a threat to the US?
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Trexosgood
<rd...@cello.gina.calstate.edu> writes:
>Subject: Re: Magsaysay Assassinated?
>From: Rodrigo A. Dar <rd...@cello.gina.calstate.edu>
>Date: 3 Jan 1996 01:08:00 GMT
The story about the US advisor to Ramon Magsaysay being pulled off an
airplane that was destined to explode reminds me the 1978 or 1979 deaths
of Anastasio Somoza's Intelligence Chief, Ivan Alegret, American
mercenary
Michael Echanis, and another specialist (In Nicaragua). A friend of mine
had
a Nicarguan refugee visit his house in 1979. She was Miladys Zavala, wife
of
a Cabo (Corporal) Zavala, who had been one of Alegret's aides, I believe
his
personal driver. Mrs. Zavala said her husband had been scheduled to be on
the airplane with Alegret, but he was pulled off at the last minute.
So! Is it fate, or conspiracy?
Trexosgood
fax...@ix.netcom.com(Philippine Nation News Service ) writes:
>Subject: Re: Magsaysay Assassinated?
>From: fax...@ix.netcom.com(Philippine Nation News Service )
>Date: 2 Jan 1996 23:30:50 GMT
>
>In <4cbijs$m...@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> ilo...@ix.netcom.com(FCN )
>writes:
>>
>>In <4c9gpr$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> trexo...@aol.com (Trexosgood)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>The conventional wisdom is that Magsaysay's airplane fell from the
>>sky,
>>>or more precisely, flew into a mountain shortly after takeoff.
>>>
>>>However, I have talked with several individuals present at the scene.
>>>
>>>They said that the airplane exploded in mid-air!
>>>
>>>This scenario suggests assassination.
>>>
>>>Persons with information, comments, please reply.
>>>
>>>T. Rex Osgood
>>>
>>>trexo...@aol.com
>>
>>To a conspiracy theorist, anything and everything may suggest
>>assassination. Even if R.M. died of a coronary, I'm sure some people
>>will still think he was poisoned or something.
>>
>>I guess whether or not Ramon Magsaysay was assassinated does not make
>>any difference now.
>>
>>Bong Nacionales
>======================================================================
>
> Jan. 2, 1996
>
> Bong:
>
> As one who's keenly interested in Philippine history---being a Pinoy,
>for one---it makes a difference to me today (or tomorrow) "whether or
>not Ramon Magsaysay was assassinated."
> Because if he really was assassinated, the US Central Intelligence
>(CIA) agency has a lot of questions to answer.
> Now that the Col War is over, maybe, we can ask to the CIA to make
>public some of its files on Ramon Magsaysay and the
>Philippines---through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
> I'm sure Filipinos would like to know the TRUTH behind Magsaysay's
>untimely death.
>
> John L. Shinn III
> LOS ANGELES
>
>
Bong Nacionales and John Shinn, III
Thanks for your responses and your interest.
John, as far as pointing to the CIA as being behind a Magsaysay
assassination, to me that sounds like "Round up the usual suspect".
If, and this is a big if, ----------- If Magsaysay's airplane exploded in
mid-air, and if it was not an accidental explosion, then perhaps the
old Claude Rains "Casablanca" statement could read ---
"Round up the usual suspects" Emphasis on plural --- "suspects"
I nominate the following suspects: (no particular order)
Hukbalahap
Ferdinand Marcos (hiding Yamashita's gold)
KGB (the cold war was well underway, any intrigue would serve)
Wealthy land owners (or should that read other wealthy land owners)
other people either holding a grudge, seeking revenge or power
powerful transnational business leaders
military plotters in the Philippines
and yes, that old standby, the CIA
So, besides opening CIA archives, you would also want to open other
archives
and interview old timers among the Hukbalahap and the others listed above.
I would start with the Hukbalahap that remain alive. Not that they did it,
but
within their ranks it is possible that someone smelled a rat and formed
his
own conclusions.
Of course, all this speculation about a possible Magsaysay assassination
on SCJ was caused because I posted information given to me by another
old timer, who says he was there.
Warm regards to all,
Trexosgood
gri...@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (tom choy) writes:
>Subject: Re: Philip Agee Books on C.I.A. (Was Re: Magsaysay
Assassinated?)
>From: gri...@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (tom choy)
>Date: 4 Jan 1996 01:18:09 GMT
>
>Philippine Nation News Service (fax...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: In <4cdd1p$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jloy...@aol.com (JLOYOLA3)
writes:
>
>: >
>: >It's not supprising about this story that Magsaysay was assasinated.
I
>: >recently read a book "Killing Hope" by William Blum that Magsaysay
was
>: a
>: >CIA man and puppet of the US government. Well, all ex-president of
the
>: >phillipines were all puppet and chosen by the US anyway.......Read
the
>: >book of Philip Agee an ex-CIA agent.
>: >
>: ==================================================
>
>: Thanks to Philip Agee.
>: Reading his books about the CIA gave me a deeper picture how the CIA
>: operates in the Philippines.
>: It was also Agee who exposed former US Ambassador to the Philippines
>: Nicholas Platt as a CIA operative while the latter was serving his post
>: in Manila.
>: Filipinos would find Philip Agee's books very informative.
>
>
>: John L. Shinn III
>: LOS ANGELES
>
>: ==================================================
>John,
>
>Don't be too naive. Do you expect Platt to work for the NISA or the KGB?
>
>tom choy
>
>
I agree with Tom Choy. Blaming the CIA for everything that goes wrong in
the Philippines is not the right way to go. While focusing on whipping the
alleged
culprit the real one may be getting away.
As I mentioned in another posting, blaming the CIA reminds me of Claude
Rains as the French police chief in the Bogart movie "Casablanca".
The famous line was something like; "Round up the usual suspects."
Focusing on the CIA ends up as ---- Round up the usual suspect.
Philippine Nation News Service
writes:
Jan. 6, 1996
Now c'mon, Mr. Osgood. You seem to be very apologetic about CIA
covert activities in the Philippines.
You're from San Diego, the hub of US naval intelligence in the West
Coast, and now you're starting to sound suspicious to me.
First, you post an article about Magsaysay being assassinated. Then
you try to put the blame on other groups saying the CIA should not be
the only suspect.
Tell me. Who else would have a sophisticated knowledge of "time
bombs" (that's what they use to call them, right?) just after WWII
ended? The Hukbalahaps? Ha-ha-ha! Are you kidding me?
I think Col. Landsdale (Pres. Magsaysay's CIA mentor) had something
to do with Magsaysay's assassination---and definitely not the
Huks---knowing the history of how the US government tried to
assassinate Cuba's Fidel Castro and other Third World leaders whom the
CIA classify as "anti-US interest."
John L. Shinn III
LOS ANGELES
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EricA47473
friend of my father and I don't like to imagine someone would want to kill
a good and kind person such as he. And i don't want anyone to disturb the
minds of the family he left behind, who remained so good and kind to us
until my father's death last September. Sen. Jun Magsaysay continued his
father's friendship with my dad and I really appreciate his unquestionable
humility inspite of his high stature. LONG LIVE THE MAGSAYSAYS...
ben@primenet.com Benjamin L. Guadiz
Ferdinand E. Marcos as a suspect/possible suspect in
then-President Ramon G. Magsaysay's untimely death?
This must be a "new" wrinkle.
Since you proffered this, do we have any probable cause?
A reason or set of reasons to cause his being a suspect?
Any substantiation? Documentation? Exclusionary rule?
Any findings by an Inquiry Committee duly established
to determine the exact circumstances of R.G. Magsaysay's
death in March, 1957?
Since Marcos has long been deceased, he therefore cannot,
personally, exercise his constitutional rights to "confront
his accuser/s". It does not necessarily mean, however, his
death equates to any interested individual's, nor his
heirs or estate's, inability to mitigate or challenge the
allegation raised hereto.
Many thanks.
benjamin
bl...@ix.netcom.com
Southern CA 92324
ben@primenet.com Benjamin L. Guadiz
Diaz. Manuel O. Jr.
: To a conspiracy theorist, anything and everything may suggest
: assassination. Even if R.M. died of a coronary, I'm sure some people
: will still think he was poisoned or something.
: I guess whether or not Ramon Magsaysay was assassinated does not make
: any difference now.
: Bong Nacionales
Not quite true. If Ramon Magsaysay was really assassinated, there has
to be a reason why. And people would be behind such conspiracy, people
who may until now be dictating the affairs of our country behind the
scenes.
And to say the least, maybe we can learn from that tragic event, if ever.
So that nothing similar to it will happen again in the future.
Remember JFK?
Manny Diaz
Teodoro M. Rosauro
: Ferdinand E. Marcos as a suspect/possible suspect in
: then-President Ramon G. Magsaysay's untimely death?
: This must be a "new" wrinkle.
What's that slogan again, from wrinkled minds come
wrinkled products?
I suspect that Jose Rizal is a direct descendant of
Ferdinand Magellan and Filipino skins are brown because
of our negro ancestry.
Ted R
Trexosgood
(EricA47473) writes:
>Subject: Re: Magsaysay Assassinated?
>From: erica...@aol.com (EricA47473)
>Date: 6 Jan 1996 19:46:01 -0500
Sorry Eric, didn't mean to pull scabs. Whenever someone asks these kinds
of questions, it is impossible to not annoy or upset others.
Teodoro M. Rosauro
<deleted>
: Sorry Eric, didn't mean to pull scabs. Whenever someone asks these kinds
: of questions, it is impossible to not annoy or upset others.
That's true, and that's because it's easier
to trash the dead than someone who can still
shoot back. If this assasin were alive today,
I doubt if anyone here will dare expose him
openly under threat of death.
Don't worry, others do more than just pull
scabs around here. Just look around you.
Ted R
rj...@tpts1.seed.net
IMHO, the person has been dead for almost half a century, and if he
indeed was assasinated, theres will be a pro-assasination camp and the
against the assasination camp.
Even though I was born long after RM death, base on what I had heard
from a lot of elders, RM has done a couple of good thing for the
Philippines like containing the growth of communism.
But the worst he has done as being told by a lot of elders, was the
nationalization of business, a lot of successful foreign owned
businesses were shut down because of this law. This include my father
business.
Half a century has passed, does his nationalization law make any
difference today? NO. But then it has affected a lot of people
financial status then, drove a lot of sucessful business to closure
then at their time. WHY?
To them and to me in my own opinion, his death is justify to penalize
him for this nationalization law.
Jesus F. Santa Cruz
I am still alive and amongst them. I defer to your gathered opinion
that he ran a closed economy.
Jesus F. Santa Cruz
>
> I would like to think that RM's death is accidental. He is a very close
> friend of my father and I don't like to imagine someone would want to kill
> a good and kind person such as he. And i don't want anyone to disturb the
> minds of the family he left behind, who remained so good and kind to us
> until my father's death last September. Sen. Jun Magsaysay continued his
> father's friendship with my dad and I really appreciate his unquestionable
> humility inspite of his high stature. LONG LIVE THE MAGSAYSAYS...
Really? Then I join you. Where were you then?
Teodoro M. Rosauro
: > Since you were born after his death, you just got a 2nd hand news.
: I am still alive and amongst them. I defer to your gathered opinion
: that he ran a closed economy.
So what does second hand news mean? When were
you born, Spanish, American, or Japanese time?
How much do you really know?
Ted R
Rhett Valino Pascual
Diaz. Manuel O. Jr. <910...@admu.edu.ph> wrote:
>Remember JFK?
Who's JFK?
On another set of topic, has anyone seen the movie Nixon? I heard that
anothony hopkins did his usual spectacular job. He really does look like
nixonmeister.
TrollingRETong
--
Rhett Valino Pascual
Philippine Nation News Service <fax...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Tell me. Who else would have a sophisticated knowledge of "time
>bombs" (that's what they use to call them, right?) just after WWII
>ended? The Hukbalahaps? Ha-ha-ha! Are you kidding me?
Pareng John,
What, are you telling me that filipinos are stuipid? that even if we
wanted to, that we could not have made a bomb? Did you not know the
pirst man on mars was filipino? Or did you not know that fusion was
really the brainchild of another filipino?
Time to read up on history pareng shinn-ster.
TutangBatutangREtong
--
Trexosgood
Rosauro) writes:
>Subject: Re: Magsaysay Assassinated?
>From: tros...@crl.com (Teodoro M. Rosauro)
>Date: 11 Jan 1996 11:50:53 -0800
>
>Trexosgood (trexo...@aol.com) wrote:
><deleted>
>: Was it General Ver?
>
>: Some recent accounts seem to suggest that it was General Ver.
>
>: Other commentaries say absolutely not, or suggest Ver was a fall guy.
>
>Suggestions, commentaries, accounts? What about documented
>evidence? I'll even accept circumstancial, if nothing else.
>Ver may have been a hatchet man for Marcos, but it will
>take more than just rumors to even suggest that he was
>part of a conspiracy to assasinate RM.
I thought that the suggestions were that General Ver was involved
with the assassination of Benigno Aquino, not Ramon Magsaysay.
>
>I dare anyone here to show conclusive proof that a planted
>bomb on RM's plane caused his death.
If my witness was interested, and I don't think he is,
I would dare you to dare my witness and contradict
his claim that RM's plane exploded in mid-air.
Boy, this thing has got legs now! My earliest question focused
on whether the plane hit a mountain, or exploded mid-air, as
my witness asserts. Speculation on the cause being a
bomb was secondary, and just that. I never said my witness
saw a bomb being planted.
One of the odd angles coming from this series of public postings
is what seems to be the attitude of defending the official explanation.
>
> Ted R
>
>
>
kole...@gmail.com
> The conventional wisdom is that Magsaysay's airplane fell from the sky,
> or more precisely, flew into a mountain shortly after takeoff.
>
> However, I have talked with several individuals present at the scene.
>
> They said that the airplane exploded in mid-air!
>
> This scenario suggests assassination.
>
> Persons with information, comments, please reply.
>
> T. Rex Osgood
>
> trexo...@aol.com
Thanks,
KBP
kole...@gmail.com
> IMHO, the person has been dead for almost half a century, and if he
> indeed was assasinated, theres will be a pro-assasination camp and the
> against the assasination camp.
>
> Even though I was born long after RM death, base on what I had heard
> from a lot of elders, RM has done a couple of good thing for the
> Philippines like containing the growth of communism.
>
> But the worst he has done as being told by a lot of elders, was the
> nationalization of business, a lot of successful foreign owned
> businesses were shut down because of this law. This include my father
> business.
>
> Half a century has passed, does his nationalization law make any
> difference today? NO. But then it has affected a lot of people
> financial status then, drove a lot of sucessful business to closure
> then at their time. WHY?
>
> To them and to me in my own opinion, his death is justify to penalize
> him for this nationalization law.