What the difference between Pinoy and Pinay???
st...@portlandoregon.com
Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
meanings??? I am curious.
SG
MarcL
the latter is for female Filipino (pinay).
Elson Trinidad
A different set of genitals.
MariaClara
>
> I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
> Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
> meanings??? I am curious.
>
****************
a pinay's IQ is 5 times higher than a pinoy's... ihihihi!
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animatór®
are just little boys only this this time with bigger winnies, ALLOW men to
play cops and robbers to keep them out of the kitchen.
Isip Bata wrote in message <6oas5d$cpi$1...@jumbo.demos.su>...
>So how come there are more Pinoy Presidents, CEO's, Managers not to mention
>public officials. 8^D Beeee!
>
>Isip Bata
>
>animatórŽ wrote in message <6oars4$umf$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
>>So true .... so true.
>>
>>MariaClara <*ma_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
Azmik 5.9.4
think hard... the answer should be obvious :)
Azmik
st...@portlandoregon.com wrote in message
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Isip Bata
public officials. 8^D Beeee!
Isip Bata
animatórŽ wrote in message <6oars4$umf$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
>So true .... so true.
>
>MariaClara <*ma_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
><35A8EB...@yahoo.com>...
>>st...@portlandoregon.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
>>> Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
>>> meanings??? I am curious.
>>>
>>> SG
>>****************
DomingoJ
business, they are the power behind the scenes. Nevertheless, Pinays are
making themselves felt in key sectors - there are, for example, more Filipinas
then Filipino men in the United Nations Secretariat (Filipinos of all genders
number 3rd in nationality count in the UN). There are nearly as many women as
there are men in the Philippine Foreign Service.
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
st...@portlandoregon.com wrote:
> I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
> Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
> meanings??? I am curious.
>
G'day Steve,
Mate, a PinAy is typically louder, hairier, fatter and has a higher sperm
count than a PinOy.
cheerios,
Gerry (-8b
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*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> ****************
>
> a pinay's IQ is 5 times higher than a pinoy's... ihihihi!
>
I totally agree. Pinays are very selectively smart as far as choosing which
Pinoy to pikot.
Oks na oks ba, Clara my lab?
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
"=?iso-8859-1?B?YW5pbWF083Ku?=" <anim...@nomail.net> wrote:
> ...recognizing that men
> are just little boys only this this time with bigger winnies...
Hoy Animator!
Anong K. mo para husgahan kaming little boys! Speak pour yourself, hoy!
Sige, pakitimpla mo na nga ako ng gatas at nagugutom na ako. Three sugars
lang, ok.
AC21209
it-
Pinoy is a term to describe a Filipino male
Pinay is a term to describe a Filipino female.
And it's as simple as that!
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Dan...@my-dejanews.com
sa.amon...@ANTISPAM.gsb.curtin.edu.au wrote:
> st...@portlandoregon.com wrote:
> >
> > I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
> > Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
> > meanings??? I am curious.
> >
> the latter is for female Filipino (pinay).
>
Referring to a group of female Filipino = Pinay's = Filipina's
Male Filipino = Pinoy's = Filipino's
What if the group is mixed ?
DanRiz
ALEX S. FABROS
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Dan...@my-dejanews.com
dirtys...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> <HTML>
> After you've read all the responses to your question, the only thing I
> can add is that Tagalog follows the Spanish language practice of assigning
> genders to all words. For example, Tonyo is gago; if MGB gives in
> to him, then she's gaga.
>
Simple as just DSP can put it.
Isip Bata
Dan...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>I want to extend the question.
> Referring to a group of female Filipino = Pinay's = Filipina's
> Male Filipino = Pinoy's =
Filipino's
>
>What if the group is mixed ?
>
>DanRiz
That's when the fun begins and you end up with a lot of little
Pinoys and Pinays.
Isip Bata
Dan...@my-dejanews.com
"ALEX S. FABROS" <fab...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> FLIPS
>
[something about pinay/pinoy]
> > What if the group is mixed ?
Why isn't I surprised ?
jmv
Azmik 5.9.4 escribió en mensaje ...
>do you know any Filipinos? just curious since you're asking this question.
>think hard... the answer should be obvious :)
>
>Azmik
>st...@portlandoregon.com wrote in message
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>>I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
>>Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
>>meanings??? I am curious.
>>
>>SG
>
>
vin...@my-dejanews.com
--vina
m.manila, philippines
ALEX S. FABROS wrote:
>
> FLIPS
>
Kamun Dante
term FLIPS and PINOY.
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Reyboy
Isip Bata wrote:
>
> Dan...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> >I want to extend the question.
> > Referring to a group of female Filipino = Pinay's = Filipina's
> > Male Filipino = Pinoy's =
> Filipino's
> >
> >What if the group is mixed ?
> >
> >DanRiz
>
> That's when the fun begins and you end up with a lot of little
> Pinoys and Pinays.
>
> Isip Bata
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revenge for the term "Kano." Can we turn this into a food thread now?
DirtySickPig
Kamun Dante wrote:
> Why don't you ask the MEDIABACKLA. They claim they're writing a book on the
> term FLIPS and PINOY.
>
> vin...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <35AAE2...@my-dejanews.com>...
Dan...@my-dejanews.com
"Isip Bata" <isip...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dan...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> >I want to extend the question.
> > Referring to a group of female Filipino = Pinay's = Filipina's
> > Male Filipino = Pinoy's =
> Filipino's
> >
> >What if the group is mixed ?
> That's when the fun begins and you end up with a lot of little
> Pinoys and Pinays.
ROTFL
ARC
>
> st...@portlandoregon.com wrote:
> >
> > I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
> > Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
> > meanings??? I am curious.
> >
> > SG
>
> a pinay's IQ is 5 times higher than a pinoy's... ihihihi!
>
> Q Q MC
> -
Well according to my dad:
Pinoys have two heads (Upper region and lower region: thus they are
smarter)
Pinays have two mouths (Upper region and lower region: thus they talk
more).
Hey, don't flame me....just passing along what my Dad has taught his
children.
Of course, I, as a liberated American, do not believe in such
rubbish...there.
ARC
MariaClara
>
> MariaClara wrote:
> >
> > st...@portlandoregon.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
> > > Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
> > > meanings??? I am curious.
> > >
> > > SG
> > ****************
> >
> > a pinay's IQ is 5 times higher than a pinoy's... ihihihi!
> >
> > ~ ~
> > Q Q MC
> > -
>
> Well according to my dad:
well, tell your dad the following:
>
> Pinoys have two heads (Upper region and lower region: thus they are
> smarter)
*************
and pinoys normally think with the lower region not upper...
> Pinays have two mouths (Upper region and lower region: thus they talk
> more).
***********
and this is what make pinoys like putty in our little hands...
>
> Hey, don't flame me....just passing along what my Dad has taught his
> children.
**********
well jis pass along what my mommy taught me... ;-)
>
> Of course, I, as a liberated American, do not believe in such
> rubbish...there.
********
you must have a pinay girlfriend... ;-)
>
> ARC
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Q Q MC
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Alex S. Fabros
and George Aquino, it was a term that was adopted in the 1920's by Pinoys
in the U.S. as a slang term.
Pinoys in the U.S. during the Jazz Age thought it was "Hip to be Flip."
Derogatory meanings for FLIP such as Funny Little Island People and other
such terms of endearment did not come into popular usage until the 1960s.
DirtySickPig <wallowi...@kaning.baboy.ugh> wrote in article
<35AB83E6...@kaning.baboy.ugh>...
> My guess is it's a bastardization of the word Filipino = the Americans'
> revenge for the term "Kano." Can we turn this into a food thread now?
>
> vin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
animatór®
little thingies" at dahil kung hindi eh baka lalu kang na-im! At etse-pwer
ang milk sa glass o bottle! Natural at wa-sugar -- yan ang tsampyon ... di
bah? "gusto ko ang gatas ng mommy ko... mommy ko... mommy ko..." type mo?
:P
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<6oci0j$gs2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <6ob15q$23n$3...@camel0.mindspring.com>,
> "=?iso-8859-1?B?YW5pbWF083Ku?=" <anim...@nomail.net> wrote:
>> ...recognizing that men
>> are just little boys only this this time with bigger winnies...
>
>Hoy Animator!
>
>Anong K. mo para husgahan kaming little boys! Speak pour yourself, hoy!
>
>Sige, pakitimpla mo na nga ako ng gatas at nagugutom na ako. Three sugars
>lang, ok.
>
>Gerry (-8b
>
animatór®
DirtySickPig wrote in message <35AB83E6...@kaning.baboy.ugh>...
babs
enzed, and re skiing *bulong: I don't ski, pareho kaliwa paa ko, but I can
dance !*
If you're into skiing - Queenstown is The Place. I live in Nelson, a
region with a couple of ski fields but they're not open to the public yet -
reason: not enough snow. It's been a mild winter. Oks lang for someone
tropical.
http://www.cubao.com/islag
Pinay Garantisado !
vin...@my-dejanews.com
--vina
m.manila, philippines
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DirtySickPig wrote:
>
> My guess is it's a bastardization of the word Filipino = the Americans'
> revenge for the term "Kano." Can we turn this into a food thread now?
>
> vin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Explain how you came to be called FLIPS.
> >
> > --vina
> > m.manila, philippines
> >
> > ALEX S. FABROS wrote:
> > >
> > > FLIPS
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gerr...@my-dejanews.com
"babs" <bab...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Woops I lost that thread - I think it was Gerry asking (?) ... oo pinay sa
> enzed, and re skiing *bulong: I don't ski, pareho kaliwa paa ko,
Talagang-talaga mamatay ka man? Kasi ang handle mo "babski" so I just assumed
that you're a great skier. Ihihihi!!!
But I wouldn't dare try skiing myself. Not after my knee surgery. These days
I've grown into a SNAG: Sore kNeed Aging Guy. Ihihihi!!!!
> but I can dance !*
>
Wow! I've never seen anyone with two left feet dance before! Siguro bagay
tayong magsayaw 'cause I have two right feet. Ihihihi!!!
Kumusta naman ang mga Flips across the Tasman Sea? Matunog ba kayo diyan? May
Flip store ba sa lugar ninyo? Sa amin wala, nakakasuya. )-8
> If you're into skiing - Queenstown is The Place. I live in Nelson, a
> region with a couple of ski fields but they're not open to the public yet -
> reason: not enough snow. It's been a mild winter. Oks lang for someone
> tropical.
>
My cuz' from Seattle is planning a trip there next January. Of course, it's
summer by then. Any advice on places to see and activities to do? I've almost
suggested to her to skip NZ and just snorkle through Cairns, Queensland na
lang. Can you convince me otherwise, Ate Babs?
> http://www.cubao.com/islag
> Pinay Garantisado !
>
Hallelujah lasang luya! Ang galing-galing naman ng website mo! Sino naman
iyong model na ginamit mo doon? Pinay din ba siya? Siguro mahal ang binayad
mo sa kanya, 'no? Ihihihi!!!!
DirtySickPig
vin...@food.thread.com wrote on a placemat:
> Nope, Piggy Wiggy. Try again. It's an acronym for something derogatory.
>
> --vina
> m.manila, philippines
>
> ------------------
>
> DirtySickPig wrote:
> >
> > My guess is it's a bastardization of the word Filipino = the Americans'
> > revenge for the term "Kano." Can we turn this into a food thread now?
> >
> > vin...@food.thread.com wrote on a napkin:
> >
> > > Explain how you came to be called FLIPS.
> > >
> > > --vina
> > > m.manila, philippines
> Trout comprendre cšest trout pardonner ...Monge, monge...
> [To eat everything is to excuse nothing ...]
>
> alternative email address, in lapse of response within 48-hours:
MariaClara
>
> So how come there are more Pinoy Presidents, CEO's, Managers not to mention
> public officials. 8^D Beeee!
********
because no matter how capable women are, a lot give up their career as
soon as they have children. i've heard of so many high ranking career
women who gave up or chose a lower position just so they could spend
quality time with their children. i read an article about a survey done
on women who have graduated from harvard, yale, stanford etc.. and there
was a big percentage of women who ended up NOT pursuing their dreams
because their priorities have changed soon after having children.
today, unfortunately, there is still a struggle with women juggling
family and career. not too long ago, i read in wsj about a female ceo
who resigned because she was missing out on what would seem like simple
tasks such as attending her child's parent/teacher conference, helping
her with her homework, planning her kids' bday party etc etc. she was
torn between attending business meetings/traveling and disappointing her
children/family and she decided to choose her family...
i've heard of many similar stories, even from my own coworker. she
graduated from stanford, held a high position, she was a workaholic who
constantly travelled, she didn't even have enough time for herself- what
more children. i remember she was very adamant about not having
children so she waited until she was in her 40's, or well until she
found her 2nd husband, got married and had one of her own. she ended up
loving her new life so much she ended up resigning! she had so much
going for herself but she gave it all up to care for her family and she
loved it, her only regret was that she didn't start earlier (when you're
constantly chasing a toddler, there's a physical difference between
20-something and 40-something)...
now a days, a lot of women set aside the notion of starting a family
until they establish their career so they wait. then they're faced with
a different problem--- their biological clock. doctors always advise
women to at least have their first child by the age of 35 because the
more you wait, the higher your chances are of having complications...
most women want family and children but at this time, they're normally
at the peak of their career? i'd love to hear from a highly successful
career woman on how she manages to juggle family and work without
sacrificing one or the other...
this is here in the states, what more if she were a pinay who is
normally expected to take care of husband and children and domestic
affairs (ugh!)! how many of you pinoys would give up your career or
settle for something lower, knowing how fully capable you are, to stay
home with your children and let your wives become president of a
company.. (i could just hear all the sarcasms, seriously now!). what
would it do to the pinoy pride to have the woman bringing in the
bacon--- or okay--lechon... i think this is where you'd find the
difference between a pinoy and a pinay....
~ ~8
Q Q MC (lunchtime, babye..)
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>
> Isip Bata
>
> animatórŽ wrote in message <6oars4$umf$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
> >So true .... so true.
> >
> >MariaClara <*ma_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ><35A8EB...@yahoo.com>...
DirtySickPig
> Isip Bata wrote:
> >
> > So how come there are more Pinoy Presidents, CEO's, Managers not to mention
> > public officials. 8^D Beeee!
> ********
> because no matter how capable women are, a lot give up their career as
> soon as they have children.
A woman's primary function in the scheme of things: childbearing.
> i've heard of so many high ranking career
> women who gave up or chose a lower position just so they could spend
> quality time with their children.
A woman's secondary function in the scheme of things: childcare.
> i read an article about a survey done
> on women who have graduated from harvard, yale, stanford etc.. and there
> was a big percentage of women who ended up NOT pursuing their dreams
> because their priorities have changed soon after having children.
The only subjects of dreams allowed for women are children and housekeeping.
Well, to be nice just go ahead and add needlepoint to the short list.
> today, unfortunately, there is still a struggle with women juggling
> family and career.
Womanly duties come first: childbearing, childcare, cooking, cleaning, washing.
Stop struggling and juggling.
> not too long ago, i read in wsj about a female ceo
> who resigned because she was missing out on what would seem like simple
> tasks such as attending her child's parent/teacher conference, helping
> her with her homework, planning her kids' bday party etc etc. she was
> torn between attending business meetings/traveling and disappointing her
> children/family and she decided to choose her family...
She was a woman who finally realized her place in life. She was just intelligent
enough to know this. BTW, did a male give you permission to read the WSJ?
> i've heard of many similar stories, even from my own coworker. she
> graduated from stanford, held a high position, she was a workaholic who
> constantly travelled, she didn't even have enough time for herself- what
> more children. i remember she was very adamant about not having
> children so she waited until she was in her 40's, or well until she
> found her 2nd husband, got married and had one of her own. she ended up
> loving her new life so much she ended up resigning! she had so much
> going for herself but she gave it all up to care for her family and she
> loved it, her only regret was that she didn't start earlier (when you're
> constantly chasing a toddler, there's a physical difference between
> 20-something and 40-something)...
I presume you received permission from a male supervisor to gossip with a
coworker? Anyway, your friend finally realized her primary function in the
scheme of things. Better late than never. We men accept her apologies.
> now a days, a lot of women set aside the notion of starting a family
> until they establish their career so they wait. then they're faced with
> a different problem--- their biological clock.
See? Even doctors agree. Male doctors, most probably. The good ones. What can
women doctors say? Never forget that only males can rewind a woman's biological
clock, or repair it.
> doctors always advise
> women to at least have their first child by the age of 35 because the
> more you wait, the higher your chances are of having complications...
> most women want family and children but at this time, they're normally
> at the peak of their career?
Women should listen to their ob-gyns. Male ob-gyns are of course better for
them.
> i'd love to hear from a highly successful
> career woman on how she manages to juggle family and work without
> sacrificing one or the other...
You won't. There ain't any, except for those who "sacrificed" their careers for
family. May their tribe increase.
> this is here in the states, what more if she were a pinay who is
> normally expected to take care of husband and children and domestic
> affairs (ugh!)!
Here we go again with the natural scheme of things. You should know better.
> how many of you pinoys would give up your career or
> settle for something lower, knowing how fully capable you are, to stay
> home with your children and let your wives become president of a
> company.. (i could just hear all the sarcasms, seriously now!). what
> would it do to the pinoy pride to have the woman bringing in the
> bacon--- or okay--lechon... i think this is where you'd find the
> difference between a pinoy and a pinay....
The difference between Pinoys and Pinays is that Pinoys will become public
officials, general and admirals, captains of industry, cardinals and popes.
Pinays will fall into the natural scheme of things eventually: children and
housekeeping.
> ~ ~8
> Q Q MC (lunchtime, babye..) <~~ cooking: natural scheme of things for MC.
> -
Bwahahahahahaha! Time to change names again. Bwahahahahaha! Galit na si MC. I
mean, Missus MC.
D.S.P~~
Pig Chauvinist Male
I'm just kidding, OK?
DirtySickPig
failures). Pinoys, on the other hand, are bubbling over with fertility ~~o
~~o ~~o This is fact acknowledged by Icelandic goddesses.
animatórŽ wrote:
> Oh sige na nga ........ bakit pinoy at hindi PENOY?
>
> DirtySickPig wrote in message <35AB83E6...@kaning.baboy.ugh>...
> >My guess is it's a bastardization of the word Filipino = the Americans'
> >revenge for the term "Kano." Can we turn this into a food thread now?
> >
> >vin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> >> Explain how you came to be called FLIPS.
> >>
> >> --vina
> >> m.manila, philippines
> >>
animatór®
Tezza wrote in message <6oiead$s0q$1...@nswpull.telstra.net>...
>
>gerr...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
><6oi3l7$552$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>>My cuz' from Seattle is planning a trip there next January. Of course,
it's
>>summer by then.
>
They don't ?
DirtySickPig
seven-and-a-half inches, before Big Breakfast with extra order of sausage and
hash browns on the side.
vin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> How much to you weigh, Piggy Wiggy? ;b I seem to get this image of that
> character that's Popeye's nemesis ... si Brutus ... bwarharharhahhahahahaaaa!
> Di ba Navy brat siya?
>
> --vina
> m.manila, philippines
>
> In article <35ACB2BF...@kaning.baboy.ugh>,
> dirtys...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > How do you prepare and serve derogatory? Is it good?
> >
> > vin...@food.thread.com wrote on a placemat:
> >
> > > Nope, Piggy Wiggy. Try again. It's an acronym for something derogatory.
> > >
> > > --vina
> > > m.manila, philippines
> > > Trout comprendre c1est trout pardonner ...Monge, monge...
animatór®
na. The husband is starting to take on the role of the homekeeper, taking
care of the kids, taking them to school, doing the laundry, cooking, etc.
Husbands are now giving up their jobs to stay home, while the missus who
earns more gets to keep her job and takes on the role of breadwinner for the
the family. One of the parents has to give for the sake of the children,
and men are starting to be threatened less by wives who make more than they.
There are support groups for men who are now in this reversed traditional
role. These groups help cushion the negative impact of their new role,
since society as a whole, still believes that men are supposed to be the
hunters and women the homemakers.
gerr...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6ojgfa$gjq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <35AD11...@yahoo.com>,
> *ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> this is here in the states, what more if she were a pinay who is
>> normally expected to take care of husband and children and domestic
>> affairs (ugh!)! how many of you pinoys would give up your career or
>> settle for something lower, knowing how fully capable you are, to stay
>> home with your children and let your wives become president of a
>> company.. (i could just hear all the sarcasms, seriously now!). what
>> would it do to the pinoy pride to have the woman bringing in the
>> bacon--- or okay--lechon... i think this is where you'd find the
>> difference between a pinoy and a pinay....
>>
>
>Hey Ms. Crush,
>
>Hold that thought one second there. I wouldn't mind reversing the roles at
>all. Halimbawa kung mas malakas kumita si misis at mas mahusay ang trabaho
>kaysa akin, I am willing to stay home and look after the chikitings.
Masarap
>na buhay iyan walang stress at pa-easy-easy lang. At ako pa ang maghahawak
ng
>pera kaya bawal na iyang mga waldas na pashopping-shopping na ginagawa
>ninyong mga bruha kayo. Ihihihihi!!!!
MariaClara
>
> Hey Ms. Crush,
>
> Hold that thought one second there. I wouldn't mind reversing the roles at
> all. Halimbawa kung mas malakas kumita si misis at mas mahusay ang trabaho
> kaysa akin, I am willing to stay home and look after the chikitings. Masarap
> na buhay iyan walang stress at pa-easy-easy lang.
ehhekskyuuss mi!!!! NO stress? Pa-easy-easy lang???
UGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! you men are SO clueless... just try staying home
with a one year old child for one whole week by yourself and then come
back to me and let me know which is more stressful, going to the office
and surfin' the net or staying home chasing and caring for a toddler all
day long (course, i wouldn't trade it for anything in the world but...)
housewives work just as hard (if not HARDER) than anyone holding any top
management position of any company anywhere! (man deja vu, i feel like
i'm arguing with my hubby ;-)).
>At ako pa ang maghahawak ng
> pera kaya bawal na iyang mga waldas na pashopping-shopping na ginagawa
> ninyong mga bruha kayo. Ihihihihi!!!!
***********
hoy, we need to go shopping to relieve all our daily stress tenk yu beri
mats, and letting us spend as much as we want is the LEAST you could do!
~ ~ 8
Q Q MC
-
>
> Gerry (-8b
MariaClara
>
> Dito sa states eh may ganyang trend. Siguro, a better term eh lumalantad
> na. The husband is starting to take on the role of the homekeeper, taking
> care of the kids, taking them to school, doing the laundry, cooking, etc.
> Husbands are now giving up their jobs to stay home, while the missus who
> earns more gets to keep her job and takes on the role of breadwinner for the
> the family. One of the parents has to give for the sake of the children,
> and men are starting to be threatened less by wives who make more than they.
>
> There are support groups for men who are now in this reversed traditional
> role. These groups help cushion the negative impact of their new role,
> since society as a whole, still believes that men are supposed to be the
> hunters and women the homemakers.
************
i think high tech companies have a lot to do with this trend. the
steady increase in telecommuting makes it possible for men to
participate more at home. these companies allow more flexibilities so
that men can work their hours to find some time to pick up and bring the
kids to school, care for the kids, participate in school, heck even do
housechores when projects have been completed...
it's slow but certainly heading in the right direction... the more
support from companies, the more men will participate, and the more
society will accept this new role, and finally, the more we'll see women
in high ranking positions...
Tezza
vin...@my-dejanews.com
character that's Popeye's nemesis ... si Brutus ... bwarharharhahhahahahaaaa!
Di ba Navy brat siya?
--vina
m.manila, philippines
In article <35ACB2BF...@kaning.baboy.ugh>,
dirtys...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> How do you prepare and serve derogatory? Is it good?
>
> vin...@food.thread.com wrote on a placemat:
>
> > Nope, Piggy Wiggy. Try again. It's an acronym for something derogatory.
> >
> > --vina
> > m.manila, philippines
> >
> > ------------------
> >
> > DirtySickPig wrote:
> > >
> > > My guess is it's a bastardization of the word Filipino = the Americans'
> > > revenge for the term "Kano." Can we turn this into a food thread now?
> > >
> > > vin...@food.thread.com wrote on a napkin:
> > >
> > > > Explain how you came to be called FLIPS.
> > > >
> > > > --vina
> > > > m.manila, philippines
>
> > Trout comprendre c1est trout pardonner ...Monge, monge...
> > [To eat everything is to excuse nothing ...]
> >
> > alternative email address, in lapse of response within 48-hours:
> > ms.ve...@hot.food.com
>
>
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> this is here in the states, what more if she were a pinay who is
> normally expected to take care of husband and children and domestic
> affairs (ugh!)! how many of you pinoys would give up your career or
> settle for something lower, knowing how fully capable you are, to stay
> home with your children and let your wives become president of a
> company.. (i could just hear all the sarcasms, seriously now!). what
> would it do to the pinoy pride to have the woman bringing in the
> bacon--- or okay--lechon... i think this is where you'd find the
> difference between a pinoy and a pinay....
>
Hey Ms. Crush,
Hold that thought one second there. I wouldn't mind reversing the roles at
all. Halimbawa kung mas malakas kumita si misis at mas mahusay ang trabaho
kaysa akin, I am willing to stay home and look after the chikitings. Masarap
na buhay iyan walang stress at pa-easy-easy lang. At ako pa ang maghahawak ng
pera kaya bawal na iyang mga waldas na pashopping-shopping na ginagawa
ninyong mga bruha kayo. Ihihihihi!!!!
Gerry (-8b
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
"=?iso-8859-1?B?YW5pbWF083Ku?=" <anim...@nomail.net> wrote:
>
> Tezza wrote in message <6oiead$s0q$1...@nswpull.telstra.net>...
> >
>
Hey homeboys,
Can you kindly hush up until I hear from Ms. Babs, oki doki? Baka mapangitan
at ma-turnoff sa inyo. Ihihihihi!!!!
Tansong Isda
> According to Delfin F. Cruz, publisher of the Philippines Mail (1928-1994)
> and George Aquino, it was a term that was adopted in the 1920's by Pinoys
> in the U.S. as a slang term.
>
> Pinoys in the U.S. during the Jazz Age thought it was "Hip to be Flip."
>
> Derogatory meanings for FLIP such as Funny Little Island People and other
> such terms of endearment did not come into popular usage until the 1960s.
>
Again Prof...you confirmed what my father told me! Thanks, I'm glad your
posting again, wish to see you sometime.
--
¸¸¸¸ ¸¸
<o )°°°°°° =<
``¯¯¯``
babs
Talagang-talaga mamatay ka man? Kasi ang handle mo "babski" so I just
assumed
that you're a great skier.
I've been to ski fields but, nope, never tried skiing. 'just not too
keen... hihihihi *tawang gerry* - ok pala dito, nakakahawa mannerism.
::Kumusta naman ang mga Flips across the Tasman Sea? Matunog ba kayo diyan?
May
::Flip store ba sa lugar ninyo? Sa amin wala, nakakasuya. )-8
Flips in my part of enzed are a rare breed (but there's quite a big pinoy
community both in auckland) ... wala rin filipino store here, but there's a
tiny asian store in town that sells bihon and whiteflower and stuff I'm not
too familiar with.
::My cuz' from Seattle is planning a trip there next January. Of course,
it's
::summer by then. Any advice on places to see and activities to do? I've
almost
::suggested to her to skip NZ and just snorkle through Cairns, Queensland na
::lang. Can you convince me otherwise, Ate Babs?
Would she bungy jump? or go white water rafting? would she enjoy
backpacking through native ferns and moss covered beech forests? Personally
I'd rather go snorkeling in Queensland, anytime! But hmmm on second thought
there are no jellyfish or sharks or Pauline Hensons in Fiordland
(http://www.fiordlandtravel.co.nz/)
::Sino naman iyong model na ginamit mo doon? Pinay din ba siya? Siguro mahal
ang binayad mo sa kanya, 'no?
yep pinay yun, and mura lang no-talent fee - bigyan mo lang ng kendi masaya
na.
and to tezza and animator, kayonaman, u make it sound like we're in an
antarctic outpost. it's not too bad, really, ... the way things are going,
the ski fields in Nelson might not even open this yr. el nino effect,
perhaps? dunno, ill consult the ever-unreliable weatherman.
vin...@my-dejanews.com
goodness! What kind of woman do you have taking care of you??? Tsk tsk tsk.
That's no way to keep a guy healthy!
You know ... I kindda like having brunch here with boneless bangus, garlic
rice and atchara ... sarap! Home cooking is best!
--vina
m.manila, philippines
---------------------
In article <35AD5F32...@kaning.baboy.ugh>,
dirtys...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Five percent body fat count, a hundred and sixty-five pounds at five feet,
> seven-and-a-half inches, before Big Breakfast with extra order of sausage and
> hash browns on the side.
>
> vin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > How much to you weigh, Piggy Wiggy? ;b I seem to get this image of that
> > character that's Popeye's nemesis ... si Brutus ... bwarharharhahhahahahaaaa!
> > Di ba Navy brat siya?
> >
> > --vina
> > m.manila, philippines
> >
> > In article <35ACB2BF...@kaning.baboy.ugh>,
> > dirtys...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > > How do you prepare and serve derogatory? Is it good?
> > >
> > > vin...@food.thread.com wrote on a placemat:
> > >
> > > > Nope, Piggy Wiggy. Try again. It's an acronym for something derogatory.
> > > >
> > > > --vina
> > > > m.manila, philippines
> > > > Trout comprendre c1est trout pardonner ...Monge, monge...
> > > > [To eat everything is to excuse nothing ...]
> > > >
> > > > alternative email address, in lapse of response within 48-hours:
> > > > ms.ve...@hot.food.com
>
>
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> ****************
> ehhekskyuuss mi!!!! NO stress? Pa-easy-easy lang???
> UGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! you men are SO clueless... just try staying home
> with a one year old child for one whole week by yourself and then come
> back to me and let me know which is more stressful, going to the office
> and surfin' the net or staying home chasing and caring for a toddler all
> day long (course, i wouldn't trade it for anything in the world but...)
Easy lang, Miss Crush. Huwag kang padalos-dalos. Baka tumaas ang altapresyon
ng high blood mo. I didn't mean it that way. What I meant was if the wife has
better qualifications and she can earn enough, the hubby should be willing to
give up the job and look after the chikitings. Para no stress at pa-easy-easy
sa lahat, 'di ba?
But wait, this thread has been discussed here before. Kaya nga nauuso na ang
mga fulltime daycare, 'di ba? So both parents can actively work without
worrying about the chikiting-gubats, 'di ba?
>
> housewives work just as hard (if not HARDER) than anyone holding any top
> management position of any company anywhere! (man deja vu, i feel like
> i'm arguing with my hubby ;-)).
>
Aba, don't project your hubby on me. Siya ang may kasalanan ng lahat. Siya ang
umubos ng ice cream mo. Siya ang kumupas sa peyborit mong damit. Hindi ako!
Ihihihi!!!
> ***********
> hoy, we need to go shopping to relieve all our daily stress tenk yu beri
> mats, and letting us spend as much as we want is the LEAST you could do!
>
Ikaw naman, you took me out of context again (pa-Pauline Hanson effect). Ang
ibig kong sabihin sasamahan kita sa shopping para mas maramin kang oras
magtingin ng shopping mo. Oks ba?
Gerry (-8b
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> ************
> i think high tech companies have a lot to do with this trend. the
> steady increase in telecommuting makes it possible for men to
> participate more at home.
Kahit high tech, low tech, poo tech, moon tech, lean tech, walas tech, bees
tech; maski anong klaseng "tech" papasukan ko. Ang mahalaga sa kumpanya
maganda magpasuweldo para marami akong a-tech. IHIHIHIHI!!!
Gerry (-8b
these companies allow more flexibilities so
> that men can work their hours to find some time to pick up and bring the
> kids to school, care for the kids, participate in school, heck even do
> housechores when projects have been completed...
>
> it's slow but certainly heading in the right direction... the more
> support from companies, the more men will participate, and the more
> society will accept this new role, and finally, the more we'll see women
> in high ranking positions...
>
> ~ ~ 8
> Q Q MC
> -
>
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
Ismelina
MariaClara wrote:
> animatórŽ wrote:
> >
> > Dito sa states eh may ganyang trend. Siguro, a better term eh lumalantad
> > na. The husband is starting to take on the role of the homekeeper, taking
> > care of the kids, taking them to school, doing the laundry, cooking, etc.
> > Husbands are now giving up their jobs to stay home, while the missus who
> > earns more gets to keep her job and takes on the role of breadwinner for the
> > the family. One of the parents has to give for the sake of the children,
> > and men are starting to be threatened less by wives who make more than they.
> >
> > There are support groups for men who are now in this reversed traditional
> > role. These groups help cushion the negative impact of their new role,
> > since society as a whole, still believes that men are supposed to be the
> > hunters and women the homemakers.
>
> ************
> i think high tech companies have a lot to do with this trend. the
> steady increase in telecommuting makes it possible for men to
> participate more at home. these companies allow more flexibilities so
> that men can work their hours to find some time to pick up and bring the
> kids to school, care for the kids, participate in school, heck even do
> housechores when projects have been completed...
>
> it's slow but certainly heading in the right direction... the more
> support from companies, the more men will participate, and the more
> society will accept this new role, and finally, the more we'll see women
> in high ranking positions...
>
> ~ ~ 8
> Q Q MC
> -
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DirtySickPig
vin...@midnite.snack.com wrote because her mouth was full:
> What? Big Breakfast! You mean you have McDonald's for breakfast???!!! My
> goodness!
I beg to differ. McDonald's beat Burger King by having 5 less calories per serving.
> What kind of woman do you have taking care of you???
I'll put her on the keyboard. Be right back.
"Hi, Vina. I'm Teresa. My dad is Mexican and my mom is Filipina. Her mother is
Filipina and my dad is what you would call in the Philippines a mestizo. That is not
a word in Hispanic Spanish BTW. Chip is really a very fit and healthy guy, despite
his crazy foods and lack of exercise. He cooks for us because I cannot cook to his
standards, says the prick." T.See? I just keep her around to do my laundry and
dishes. hehehe. Gotta wash that mouth....and everything else attached to it.
> You know ... I kindda like having brunch here with boneless bangus, garlic
> rice and atchara ... sarap! Home cooking is best!
Ter loves sinangag too, and much nicer if tossed around in a cast iron pan (the rice,
not Ter). Actually, everything tastes good when cooked in cast iron. I also use an
authentic wok from PRC.
> --vina
> m.manila, philippines
> ---------------------
>
> dirtys...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Five percent body fat count, a hundred and sixty-five pounds at five feet,
> > seven-and-a-half inches, before Big Breakfast with extra order of sausage and
> > hash browns on the side.
> >
MariaClara
>
> Kahit high tech, low tech, poo tech, moon tech, lean tech, walas tech, bees
> tech; maski anong klaseng "tech" papasukan ko. Ang mahalaga sa kumpanya
> maganda magpasuweldo para marami akong a-tech. IHIHIHIHI!!!
*************
and with that breath of yours you could use a case of tick-tech...
ihihi! ;-)
~ ~ 8
Q Q MC
-
>
> Gerry (-8b
>
> these companies allow more flexibilities so
> > that men can work their hours to find some time to pick up and bring the
> > kids to school, care for the kids, participate in school, heck even do
> > housechores when projects have been completed...
> >
> > it's slow but certainly heading in the right direction... the more
> > support from companies, the more men will participate, and the more
> > society will accept this new role, and finally, the more we'll see women
> > in high ranking positions...
> >
> > ~ ~ 8
> > Q Q MC
> > -
> >
>
DirtySickPig
Tezza wrote:
> Chip?
DirtySickPig
> vin...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6ojhji$ia3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >How much to you weigh, Piggy Wiggy? ;b I seem to get this image of that
> >character that's Popeye's nemesis ... si Brutus ...
> bwarharharhahhahahahaaaa!
>
> Wasn't that Bluto?
Yep, in the old black and white series it was Brutus. It was too brutal a name
for kids so they changed it to Bluto when the cartoons got Technicolored.
Still, I may be wrong.
MariaClara
>
> In article <6ojpcn$3a5$1...@camel15.mindspring.com>,
> "=?iso-8859-1?B?YW5pbWF083Ku?=" <anim...@nomail.net> wrote:
> >
> > Tezza wrote in message <6oiead$s0q$1...@nswpull.telstra.net>...
> > >
> > it's
> > >>summer by then.
> > >
> >
> > They don't ?
> >
>
> Hey homeboys,
>
> Can you kindly hush up until I hear from Ms. Babs, oki doki? Baka mapangitan
> at ma-turnoff sa inyo. Ihihihihi!!!!
*********
oh here munchkin, i scrubbed your pustiso for you after soaking it in
clorox... it's now nice and yellow. are you proud of me?
~ ~ 8
Q Q MC
-
>
> Gerry (-8b
>
MariaClara
>
> In article <35AD97...@yahoo.com>,
> *ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > ****************
> > ehhekskyuuss mi!!!! NO stress? Pa-easy-easy lang???
> > UGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! you men are SO clueless... just try staying home
> > with a one year old child for one whole week by yourself and then come
> > back to me and let me know which is more stressful, going to the office
> > and surfin' the net or staying home chasing and caring for a toddler all
> > day long (course, i wouldn't trade it for anything in the world but...)
>
> Easy lang, Miss Crush. Huwag kang padalos-dalos. Baka tumaas ang altapresyon
> ng high blood mo. I didn't mean it that way. What I meant was if the wife has
> better qualifications and she can earn enough, the hubby should be willing to
> give up the job and look after the chikitings. Para no stress at pa-easy-easy
> sa lahat, 'di ba?
no such thing as 'no stress at pa-easy-easy lang' with chikitings i tell
yah... but okay, it's only hard during the early years, after that it
gets easier... couples who married and had children in their early 20's
usually go back to dating again in their 30's. my barkada are living
proof of this... it gets easier and better...
>
> But wait, this thread has been discussed here before. Kaya nga nauuso na ang
> mga fulltime daycare, 'di ba? So both parents can actively work without
> worrying about the chikiting-gubats, 'di ba?
********
well if we're talking about the average middle income families yes. but
if we're talking about parents who hold top management level positions
which demand time outside your normal 9-5 hours, that's where you'll
find conflicts between family and career. one has to give in to satisfy
family needs and most of the times it's the women who give in and it's
the men who progress in their careers...
>
> >
> > housewives work just as hard (if not HARDER) than anyone holding any top
> > management position of any company anywhere! (man deja vu, i feel like
> > i'm arguing with my hubby ;-)).
> >
>
> Aba, don't project your hubby on me. Siya ang may kasalanan ng lahat. Siya ang
> umubos ng ice cream mo. Siya ang kumupas sa peyborit mong damit. Hindi ako!
> Ihihihi!!!
************
well typically, men all think and act alike! married women share the
same stories about men and their lack of domestic skills...
>
> > ***********
> > hoy, we need to go shopping to relieve all our daily stress tenk yu beri
> > mats, and letting us spend as much as we want is the LEAST you could do!
> >
>
> Ikaw naman, you took me out of context again (pa-Pauline Hanson effect). Ang
> ibig kong sabihin sasamahan kita sa shopping para mas maramin kang oras
> magtingin ng shopping mo. Oks ba?
***********
no. i'll just meet you and the kids at the center of the mall in 3
hours... ;-)
>
> Gerry (-8b
~ ~ 8
Q Q MC
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MariaClara
>
> The toughest is when the chikitings get sick. Ay naku Dios mio. Eight months
> old noong Nagka-measles si Kulas kaya tinakbo ko sa Children's hospital.
> Kinabitan ng dextrose dahil hindi kumakain. Tapos iyak nang iyak. 'Pag hiniga
> mo umiiyak kaya laging nakakarga. Pero 'pag umupo ka iiyak naman. Kaya ang
> nangyari sa akin natulog ako magdamag nang nakatayo at nakasandal sa pader.
> Ngayon teenager na si Kulas at walang utang na loob. <sigh>
************
do you believe kids are obligated to give back to their parents for our
raising them? when i was younger, i've heard my parents say that
"walang utang na loob". even for the littlest things and i used to say
to myself, "well, it's your job!"
i think the only thing i'd expect from my kids is for them to show me
the self-respect and self-esteem i'd tried so hard to build. and also
for them to remember that i had put them above everything else... gee,
i just can't wait to go through the teenage years.... i remember mine
was sheer hell with my sobrang overprotective dad...
>
> Oo nga. Pero walang choice ang babae dahil siya ang nagbubuntis, nanganganak
> at nagpapagatas. But beyond that, I believe the child rearing chores can be
> shared.
**************
nagpapagatas UGH don't remind me. i hated breastfeeding my new born
baby every friggin' hour with no sleep and right next to me was hubbie
snoring away. i remember fantasizing about smothering him with the
baby's soiled diapers... i was so fatigued it was all i could think
of... but he got saved because each time i'd look at this tiny
wrinkled-face miracle that just came out of me, i'd forget about EVERY
stress and pain i felt at that moment...
>
> Kasi naman kung minsan masyadong demanding ang mga babae, e. Ang mga lalaki
> willing na willing naman tumulong sa gawaing-bahay. Pero masyadong mataas ang
> requirements. 'Pag mali ang tago ng kawali, galit. 'Pag hindi nasunod ang
> tupi ng kumot, reklamo. Mahuli lang ang pagtupi ng labada, dakdak. Pero iyong
> mga tulong na ginagawa tulad ng paglinis ng hardin, paglinis at pagayos ng
> kotse at paghatid-sundo sa trabaho, hindi naaalala. Kung minsan nakakarindi
> na ang dakdak ni missus, parang gusto mo na lang lumayas para matahimik na
> lang. Hay naku, kung minsan hindi madali ang nagaasawa maski sa lalaki.
*************
there there munchkin... you sit down and tell me alllll about it... ;-)
problem with most men is that they have to be TOLD what to do. it just
doesn't seem to come naturally. and when they do it they expect a pat
on the back or they have to report everything, "oh hon, i washed the
dishes" <pok!> with us, we just automatically DO things without
expecting anything---- well except maybe a backrub ;-)
>
> > ***********
> > no. i'll just meet you and the kids at the center of the mall in 3
> > hours... ;-)
>
> Ayan pa ang isa. Magsashopping daw sandali. Pero iyong sandali 5-7 hours pala.
> Sa inip ni lalaki, nakatulog sa parking lot habang naghihintay.
***********
nakatulog--- OHHHHH GEEEE SUFFER A LITTLE!
>'Pag balik sa
> kotse santambak na basura ang ipinamili at galit pa. Hay buhay!
*********
basura? but you wear this basura, you sleep on this basura, you eat
with this basura, you wash your hair with this basura, all these basura
are NECESSITIES tenk yu beri mats!
>
> Gerry (-8b
Tezza
Tezza
DirtySickPig wrote in message <35ADF8E7...@kaning.baboy.ugh>...
>
>
>vin...@midnite.snack.com wrote because her mouth was full:
>
>> What? Big Breakfast! You mean you have McDonald's for breakfast???!!! My
>> goodness!
>
>I beg to differ. McDonald's beat Burger King by having 5 less calories per
serving.
>
>> What kind of woman do you have taking care of you???
>
>I'll put her on the keyboard. Be right back.
>
>"Hi, Vina. I'm Teresa. My dad is Mexican and my mom is Filipina. Her
mother is
>Filipina and my dad is what you would call in the Philippines a mestizo.
That is not
>a word in Hispanic Spanish BTW. Chip is really a very fit and healthy guy,
despite
>his crazy foods and lack of exercise. He cooks for us because I cannot
cook to his
>standards, says the prick." T.See? I just keep her around to do my laundry
and
>dishes. hehehe. Gotta wash that mouth....and everything else attached to
it.
Chip?
Tezza
babs wrote in message <6okh6j$cb8$1...@supernews.com>...
>and to tezza and animator, kayonaman, u make it sound like we're in an
>antarctic outpost. it's not too bad, really, ... the way things are going,
>the ski fields in Nelson might not even open this yr. el nino effect,
>perhaps? dunno, ill consult the ever-unreliable weatherman.
Then I better not tell you that Thredbo's -11c with plenty of snow.
Tezza
gerr...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6ombj6$evm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>When Popeye was created in the late 20's, his arch-enemy was named Bluto.
The
>name stuck well into the fifties. In the sixties version of Popeye, the
named
>changed to Brutus. Then a remake of Popeye was done in the eighties and the
>arch-enemy was back to Bluto.
>
>Of course, Olive Oyl has always been herself. Skinny and ugly. IHIHIHI!!!!
If she wasn't so tall and skinny.............hmmm, where were you in the
20's?
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
dirtys...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Tezza wrote:
>
> > Wasn't that Bluto?
>
> Yep, in the old black and white series it was Brutus. It was too brutal a
name
> for kids so they changed it to Bluto when the cartoons got Technicolored.
> Still, I may be wrong.
>
When Popeye was created in the late 20's, his arch-enemy was named Bluto. The
name stuck well into the fifties. In the sixties version of Popeye, the named
changed to Brutus. Then a remake of Popeye was done in the eighties and the
arch-enemy was back to Bluto.
Of course, Olive Oyl has always been herself. Skinny and ugly. IHIHIHI!!!!
Gerry (-8
(I'm a CartoonNetwork fan!)
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> *********
> oh here munchkin, i scrubbed your pustiso for you after soaking it in
> clorox... it's now nice and yellow. are you proud of me?
>
'Sus ginoo 'day! Ilang beses kong tinuturo sa iyo lagi mong nalilimutan. Ang
sabi ko sa iyo ginagamit ang clorox sa aking karsonsilyos. Sa pustiso ko
muriatic acid lang!
Gerry (-8b
(Ang hirap talaga magturo sa mali-maling katulong, ihihihi!!)
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> *********
> no such thing as 'no stress at pa-easy-easy lang' with chikitings i tell
> yah... but okay, it's only hard during the early years, after that it
> gets easier... couples who married and had children in their early 20's
> usually go back to dating again in their 30's. my barkada are living
> proof of this... it gets easier and better...
>
The toughest is when the chikitings get sick. Ay naku Dios mio. Eight months
old noong Nagka-measles si Kulas kaya tinakbo ko sa Children's hospital.
Kinabitan ng dextrose dahil hindi kumakain. Tapos iyak nang iyak. 'Pag hiniga
mo umiiyak kaya laging nakakarga. Pero 'pag umupo ka iiyak naman. Kaya ang
nangyari sa akin natulog ako magdamag nang nakatayo at nakasandal sa pader.
Ngayon teenager na si Kulas at walang utang na loob. <sigh>
> ********
> well if we're talking about the average middle income families yes. but
> if we're talking about parents who hold top management level positions
> which demand time outside your normal 9-5 hours, that's where you'll
> find conflicts between family and career. one has to give in to satisfy
> family needs and most of the times it's the women who give in and it's
> the men who progress in their careers...
>
Oo nga. Pero walang choice ang babae dahil siya ang nagbubuntis, nanganganak
at nagpapagatas. But beyond that, I believe the child rearing chores can be
shared.
> ************
> well typically, men all think and act alike! married women share the
> same stories about men and their lack of domestic skills...
>
Kasi naman kung minsan masyadong demanding ang mga babae, e. Ang mga lalaki
willing na willing naman tumulong sa gawaing-bahay. Pero masyadong mataas ang
requirements. 'Pag mali ang tago ng kawali, galit. 'Pag hindi nasunod ang
tupi ng kumot, reklamo. Mahuli lang ang pagtupi ng labada, dakdak. Pero iyong
mga tulong na ginagawa tulad ng paglinis ng hardin, paglinis at pagayos ng
kotse at paghatid-sundo sa trabaho, hindi naaalala. Kung minsan nakakarindi
na ang dakdak ni missus, parang gusto mo na lang lumayas para matahimik na
lang. Hay naku, kung minsan hindi madali ang nagaasawa maski sa lalaki.
> >
> > Ikaw naman, you took me out of context again (pa-Pauline Hanson effect). Ang
> > ibig kong sabihin sasamahan kita sa shopping para mas maramin kang oras
> > magtingin ng shopping mo. Oks ba?
> ***********
> no. i'll just meet you and the kids at the center of the mall in 3
> hours... ;-)
Ayan pa ang isa. Magsashopping daw sandali. Pero iyong sandali 5-7 hours pala.
Sa inip ni lalaki, nakatulog sa parking lot habang naghihintay. 'Pag balik sa
kotse santambak na basura ang ipinamili at galit pa. Hay buhay!
Gerry (-8b
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> *************
> and with that breath of yours you could use a case of tick-tech...
> ihihi! ;-)
>
Inggit ka lang 'cause you can't brush while you whistle a happy tune!
Ihihihi!!!
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
"Tezza" <te...@atinet.com.au> wrote:
>
> If she wasn't so tall and skinny.............hmmm, where were you in the
> 20's?
>
Har de har har. Beri pani, Tezzi. I see those old Popeye shows on Cartoon
Network. I have to fight against my boys 'cause they want to watch something
else.
gerr...@my-dejanews.com
ako matabunan ng palu-palo. Ihihihihi!!!!
In article <35AEF4...@yahoo.com>,
*ma_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> ************
> do you believe kids are obligated to give back to their parents for our
> raising them?
Aba siempre, the kids should always give back to their parents. Akalain mo
inutusan ko sa mall para bumili ng tinapay. Binigyan ko ng $5. Aba siempre
dapat naman he should give back the sukli, 'di ba? Ihihihihi!!!!!
>
> i think the only thing i'd expect from my kids is for them to show me
> the self-respect and self-esteem i'd tried so hard to build. and also
> for them to remember that i had put them above everything else...
What I meant was, kids of today should be grateful for what they get. Nothing
more. Ang hirap sa mga bata sobra ang luho. Gusto designer ang mga suot. Gusto
mamahaling laruan. Tapos binili mo na galit pa rin at masama ang loob. Aba
noong panahon ko, puro hand-me-down lang ang damit ko. Ang mga salawal ko gawa
lang sa retaso ng nanay ko. At wala akong mahal na laruan. Mga bato, lata at
sinelas lang ang laruan ko. Pero hindi ako nagrereklamo noong araw. Basta't
maraming kalaro masaya na ako. Iyong lamang po ang ganang sa akin.
> gee,
> i just can't wait to go through the teenage years.... i remember mine
> was sheer hell with my sobrang overprotective dad...
>
Aba talagang dapat maghigpit ang tatay mo. Sa itsura mo baka lagi kang
nakikikain sa ibang bahay. Aba, maawa ka naman at laging ubos ang ulam at
sinaing! Ihihihi!!!!
> **************
> nagpapagatas UGH don't remind me. i hated breastfeeding my new born
> baby every friggin' hour with no sleep and right next to me was hubbie
> snoring away. i remember fantasizing about smothering him with the
> baby's soiled diapers... i was so fatigued it was all i could think
> of...
Baka naman kaya ka pagod ay dahil pati si mister nakikibahagi sa paggatas.
Ihihihihi!!!
> but he got saved because each time i'd look at this tiny
> wrinkled-face miracle that just came out of me, i'd forget about EVERY
> stress and pain i felt at that moment...
>
Masuwerte si mister pala at hindi niya kamukha ang anak mo. Kundi lalo siyang
mapapahamak. Ihihihihi!!!!!
> *************
>
> problem with most men is that they have to be TOLD what to do. it just
> doesn't seem to come naturally. and when they do it they expect a pat
> on the back or they have to report everything, "oh hon, i washed the
> dishes" <pok!> with us, we just automatically DO things without
> expecting anything---- well except maybe a backrub ;-)
>
Aba huwag ka namang mag-generalise. Hindi lahat ng lalaki ganyan. Ibahin mo
ako, hoy! In English, change me, hey! Ihihihihi!!!
Basta ako 'pag naglalampaso ng sahig, naglalaba ng damit at nagpaplantsa ng
pang-eskuwela nagwawalang kibo na lang ako. Tangi kong inililihim ang aking
lumbay at luha <hikbi> <sob>.
> > > ***********
> > > no. i'll just meet you and the kids at the center of the mall in 3
> > > hours... ;-)
> >
> > Ayan pa ang isa. Magsashopping daw sandali. Pero iyong sandali 5-7 hours
pala.
> > Sa inip ni lalaki, nakatulog sa parking lot habang naghihintay.
> ***********
> nakatulog--- OHHHHH GEEEE SUFFER A LITTLE!
>
E anong gusto mong gawin sa kahihintay kundi matulog. 'Pag kayo nasisilaw sa
mall nakakaligtaan na ang oras. <sigh>
> >'Pag balik sa
> > kotse santambak na basura ang ipinamili at galit pa. Hay buhay!
> *********
> basura? but you wear this basura, you sleep on this basura, you eat
> with this basura, you wash your hair with this basura, all these basura
> are NECESSITIES tenk yu beri mats!
>
Aba hindi iyon ang ibig kong sabihin. Ang tinutukoy ko iyong sabihin iyong
sobra-sobrang damit, sapatos, atbp. Santambak na ang damit tapos bili pa nang
bili. Tapos pag maylakad walang masuot. Tapos kami laging nauubusan ng hanger
'pag oras na ng plantsahin. Aba daig pa ang department store ng mga wardrobe
ninyo, hoy! Maawa naman kayo. Maraming nagugutom na ibang tao. Ihihihihi!!!!
Gerry (-8b
Alumni homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/2350/
ms...@my-dejanews.com
animatór®
repay their parents for being raised, fed, clothed and schooled by their
parents. The children did not in the first place choose to be born.
Second, parenting carries along with it the obligation to raise their
children right according to structures and institutions that would further
his tribe and the society as a whole. Parents however may expect from their
children respect, and yes, caring, accorded to them and to treat them with
dignity in their golden age. I think that we should view this parental
expectation, not as "pagbabayad ng utang" but something that flows out of
respect and love for one's parents. In any event, I believe that parents
who "love and raise" their children in the right way should not even worry
that their children will cast them away later on in their ripe age. Of
course there will be exceptions, but suffice it to say, that a parent should
find joy and pride in the fact that he or she or they have raised a strong,
capable and functioning child -- that should be the best reward for a
parent.
This brings to mind the FILIPINO tradition of "utang na loob." Could parents
really mean "I deserve more respect than this from my child..." rather than
the literal translation of "You owe me your being, presence, and
everything...and you will pay us back someday.." ? If this were an
obligation, could it be a moral one, and not necessarily a financial and
economic ?
I also wonder if the FILIPINO tradition of birthing more, a means of family
resource, is still high on the set of fiipino values.
MariaClara <*ma_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<35AEF4...@yahoo.com>...
>gerr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> Ngayon teenager na si Kulas at walang utang na loob. <sigh>
>do you believe kids are obligated to give back to their parents for our
>raising them? when i was younger, i've heard my parents say that
>"walang utang na loob". even for the littlest things and i used to say
>to myself, "well, it's your job!"
>
>i think the only thing i'd expect from my kids is for them to show me
>the self-respect and self-esteem i'd tried so hard to build. and also
>for them to remember that i had put them above everything else... gee,
>i just can't wait to go through the teenage years.... i remember mine
>was sheer hell with my sobrang overprotective dad...
>
MariaClara
> >baby every friggin' hour with no sleep and right next to me was hubbie
> >snoring away.
>
>
> > i remember fantasizing about smothering him with the
> >baby's soiled diapers...
>
***********
this is the reason why when you had disappeared from scf, i was SO sure
your wife buried you in your backyard... <sigh> no such luck.. ;-)
funny though, you disappeared around the time you had your reunion with
JT, were you THAT traumatized? did he dukot you like he did bbq--- hey
wittaminit, bbq disappeared also.... hmmmmm...
animatór®
does men, only for the fact that women are by nature the nurturer. It
sprung out of women's concern for their families and the favourable response
from high tech industries. These companies recognize that work can still be
done using current technology while reducing women concerns and child-care
costs that companies are more and more forced to share to retain their best
women resources. One nice thing about this is that you only have to dress
waist up and not worry waist down. heheheeeeee
You are also right when you say that more recognition is now being given to
the fact that men have to participate more in child rearing and care,
emphasizing the father role and image specially to the little boys, and the
idea that a marriage is in truth a partnership in all aspects of family
life. Telecommuting is indeed on the way ... it will take a while; it is
catching up
slowly but surely.
MariaClara <*ma_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<35ADA4...@yahoo.com>...
>i think high tech companies have a lot to do with this trend. the
>steady increase in telecommuting makes it possible for men to
>participate more at home. these companies allow more flexibilities so
>that men can work their hours to find some time to pick up and bring the
>kids to school, care for the kids, participate in school, heck even do
>housechores when projects have been completed...
>
>it's slow but certainly heading in the right direction... the more
>support from companies, the more men will participate, and the more
>society will accept this new role, and finally, the more we'll see women
>in high ranking positions...
>
Rommel P. Feria
animatór® wrote:
> Like MC, I too do not think that children are obligated to give back or
> repay their parents for being raised, fed, clothed and schooled by their
> parents. The children did not in the first place choose to be born.
I agree. Children should not be burdened with the obligation of paying back what
their parents gave them.
> Second, parenting carries along with it the obligation to raise their
> children right according to structures and institutions that would further
> his tribe and the society as a whole. Parents however may expect from their
> children respect, and yes, caring, accorded to them and to treat them with
> dignity in their golden age. I think that we should view this parental
> expectation, not as "pagbabayad ng utang" but something that flows out of
> respect and love for one's parents. In any event, I believe that parents
If it is not love, at one of its highest level, it should at least be out of
"utang na loob." There are some parents who expect their children to repay them.
There are bad parents, too, which result in children not loving them -- however,
even if they don't love their parents, they should, at least, acknowledge the
"utang na loob."
> who "love and raise" their children in the right way should not even worry
> that their children will cast them away later on in their ripe age. Of
> course there will be exceptions, but suffice it to say, that a parent should
> find joy and pride in the fact that he or she or they have raised a strong,
> capable and functioning child -- that should be the best reward for a
> parent.
I agree.
> I also wonder if the FILIPINO tradition of birthing more, a means of family
> resource, is still high on the set of fiipino values.
Personally, I think that tradition is no longer alive. People are more mature
and realistic. More a living within their means. However, there are still those
who go for large families -- even if they could not afford it. Sad to say but
most are from the financially disadvantaged.
Cheers!
--
--oOOOo--
Rommel Palma Feria http://www.upd.edu.ph/~rferia
Biomedical Systems Group (P/G) r.p....@ieee.org
Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering
Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine
London SW7 2BT Tel.No: 44-171-594-8891
United Kingdom Fax No: 44-171-584-6897
--oOOOo--
Lead, follow or get out of the way... <anonymous>
Tezza
Tezza
gerr...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6on5d5$9hg$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <6omcqb$de7$1...@nswpull.telstra.net>,
> "Tezza" <te...@atinet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> If she wasn't so tall and skinny.............hmmm, where were you in the
>> 20's?
>>
>
>Har de har har. Beri pani, Tezzi. I see those old Popeye shows on Cartoon
>Network. I have to fight against my boys 'cause they want to watch
something
>else.
Smart boys. Take after their mother do they?
Tezza
>> >nagpapagatas UGH don't remind me. i hated breastfeeding my new born
>> >baby every friggin' hour with no sleep and right next to me was hubbie
>> >snoring away.
>>
>> Babies have to be fed?
>>
>> > i remember fantasizing about smothering him with the
>> >baby's soiled diapers...
>>
>> What's a diaper? And why would you put soil in it?
>
>***********
>this is the reason why when you had disappeared from scf, i was SO sure
>your wife buried you in your backyard... <sigh> no such luck.. ;-)
>
>funny though, you disappeared around the time you had your reunion with
>JT, were you THAT traumatized? did he dukot you like he did bbq--- hey
>wittaminit, bbq disappeared also.... hmmmmm...
It was a shocking experience, how did you survive it so well?
Tezza
terri...@yahoo.com
"=?iso-8859-1?B?YW5pbWF083Ku?=" <anim...@nomail.net> wrote:
> Like MC, I too do not think that children are obligated to give back or
> repay their parents for being raised, fed, clothed and schooled by their
> parents. The children did not in the first place choose to be born.
> children right according to structures and institutions that would further
> his tribe and the society as a whole.
Picture this scenario and see if your point of view will change:
1. Parents come from very humble background. Dad does odd jobs: construction
work, plumbing here and there, maybe some laborer work. Mum is a lavandera
which of course doesn't pay much.
2. Parents have three kids. Parents, in good faith and in order to get out of
poverty, decide on the following strategy. Parents sends eldest to the best
school in order for him/her to become a nurse/computer
specialist/tradesperson. Of course, they only have enough resources to send
one child to school.
3. Parents talk it out with eldest. "Son/daughter, we've pooled all our
resources for your education 'cause that's all we've got. Your part of the
deal is we'll strive our best to land you a good job in the US/Middle East
and then you'll provide for the rest of us including the education of your
two other siblings."
Now, going back to our views that kids should not be obligated to provide for
their parents, would you suggest to Eldest son/daughter to abandon his/her
family once he/she lands a good job in the US/Middle East? What do you say?
I know a number of Flips working abroad who are in this predicament. He/she
works long hours/two jobs to earn extra. That extra is sent back to the
Phils. to assist parents and send younger siblings to school. Until the
second sibling finishes his/her education, the former's personal is on hold.
No relationships, no fancy cars, no fancy house.
Thanks for your time.
AC21209
have a responsibilty, or utang, to their parents for rearing them.
Please do not misinterpret this as an attck on you or MC or Mr. Feria's
comments, this is rather just a comment on the development of your thoughts.
You have every right to feel and believe the way that you do, but I think this
really underscores how "westernization" has seriously changed and affected the
Filipino culture and traditions.
Animator wrote that tradition is no longer alive. People are more mature and
realistic. Is this to say that maintaining traditions is foolhardy and
immature?
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> Picture this scenario and see if your point of view will change:
>
> 1. Parents come from very humble background. Dad does odd jobs: construction
> work, plumbing here and there, maybe some laborer work. Mum is a lavandera
> which of course doesn't pay much.
>
> 2. Parents have three kids. Parents, in good faith and in order to get out of
> poverty, decide on the following strategy. Parents sends eldest to the best
> school in order for him/her to become a nurse/computer
> specialist/tradesperson. Of course, they only have enough resources to send
> one child to school.
>
> 3. Parents talk it out with eldest. "Son/daughter, we've pooled all our
> resources for your education 'cause that's all we've got. Your part of the
> deal is we'll strive our best to land you a good job in the US/Middle East
> and then you'll provide for the rest of us including the education of your
> two other siblings."
>
> Now, going back to our views that kids should not be obligated to provide for
> their parents, would you suggest to Eldest son/daughter to abandon his/her
> family once he/she lands a good job in the US/Middle East? What do you say?
>
> I know a number of Flips working abroad who are in this predicament. He/she
> works long hours/two jobs to earn extra. That extra is sent back to the
> Phils. to assist parents and send younger siblings to school. Until the
> second sibling finishes his/her education, the former's personal is on hold.
> No relationships, no fancy cars, no fancy house.
>
> Thanks for your time.
This scenario is the most common in the Philippines, and it isn't necessarily the
eldest child is the one that has been given the obligation, at least for the rest
of the children. This utang is paid by paying for the education of rest of the
siblings. Only the more affluent can actually say that the children doesn't have
any 'utang', somewhere however, is a better choice.
I believe that children doesn't have to pay back anything, what they were given
goes down the drain and will never come back. The scenario here creates a lot of
trouble and heartache for everyone, the eldest is bitter, the siblings doesn't
realize the sacrifices of the eldest, then they marry and wonders why the
bitterness exists. The parents continue in their course and still does what they
do until they are too old to continue...I've seen this often. The overseas person
sends money at home and feels that he/she is carrying too much load(w/ constant
abuse and pressure of the job). Like I tell some of my relatives, everyone goes
down w/the load, or everyone rises to the top if everyone cooperate, but being
humans, no one does. It doesn't work well.
--
¸¸¸¸ ¸¸
<o )°°°°°° =<
``¯¯¯``
terri...@yahoo.com
hu...@nalang.ito wrote:
>
> I believe that children doesn't have to pay back anything, what they were
> given goes down the drain and will never come back. The scenario here
> creates a lot of
> realize the sacrifices of the eldest, then they marry and wonders why the
> they do until they are too old to continue...I've seen this often. The
> overseas person
> nstant
> abuse and pressure of the job). Like I tell some of my relatives, everyon=
> e goes
> down w/the load, or everyone rises to the top if everyone cooperate, but
> being
> humans, no one does. It doesn't work well.
>
I guess it's up to the parents to show all the cards, in a manner of speaking.
For the breadwinner, s/he should realize that without the total pooling of
resources s/he would not have made this well. Without this strategy his/her
family will continue to be poor and indigent.
On the part of the dependents, they should realize that they are not in for a
free ride. S/he must realize that the support is like the passing of the
baton. Once they're finished with the education, it's his/her turn to support
the family.
If the parents set the right expectations, this strategy, foreign as it may
to our westernized kababayans, works for the best interests of the whole
household.
Are kids obligated to give back to their parents/family? The bottom line: it
depends on the situation. Personally, if my family in Inang Bayan is in dire
financial crisis, who am I not to assist? All I can say is I'm thankful that
they are not. And certainly I can't judge those parents who are in dire need
of financial assistance. If I were in their shoes, I would've done the same,
perhaps.
MariaClara
>
> In article <6on4lv$78q$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>,
> "=?iso-8859-1?B?YW5pbWF083Ku?=" <anim...@nomail.net> wrote:
> > Like MC, I too do not think that children are obligated to give back or
> > repay their parents for being raised, fed, clothed and schooled by their
> > parents. The children did not in the first place choose to be born.
> > Second, parenting carries along with it the obligation to raise their
> > children right according to structures and institutions that would further
> > his tribe and the society as a whole.
>
>
> 1. Parents come from very humble background. Dad does odd jobs: construction
> work, plumbing here and there, maybe some laborer work. Mum is a lavandera
> which of course doesn't pay much.
>
> 2. Parents have three kids. Parents, in good faith and in order to get out of
> poverty, decide on the following strategy. Parents sends eldest to the best
> school in order for him/her to become a nurse/computer
> specialist/tradesperson. Of course, they only have enough resources to send
> one child to school.
>
> 3. Parents talk it out with eldest. "Son/daughter, we've pooled all our
> resources for your education 'cause that's all we've got. Your part of the
> deal is we'll strive our best to land you a good job in the US/Middle East
> and then you'll provide for the rest of us including the education of your
> two other siblings."
>
> Now, going back to our views that kids should not be obligated to provide for
> their parents, would you suggest to Eldest son/daughter to abandon his/her
> family once he/she lands a good job in the US/Middle East? What do you say?
>
> I know a number of Flips working abroad who are in this predicament. He/she
> works long hours/two jobs to earn extra. That extra is sent back to the
> Phils. to assist parents and send younger siblings to school. Until the
> second sibling finishes his/her education, the former's personal is on hold.
> No relationships, no fancy cars, no fancy house.
>
> Thanks for your time.
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no matter what the situation is, i would like to think that the children
help out their parents and siblings out of love and respect that they
feel for their family rather than view the act of help as a debt that
they need to repay because of what their parents provided for them.
like animator said, children didn't ask to be born. parents CHOSE to
accept them into their lives. parents have an obligation to raise their
children to the best of their ability and they should not expect to be
repaid. the children should be left to decide what they want to do for
their parents. parents play a critical role in the moral and ethical
development of their children. if you raise good children with high
morals and values then helping you out would be the least of your
worries, this would come naturally and unconditionally. if your
children do not love or respect you enough to help you in your most
desperate times, then i believe it is YOU who have somehow failed them
as a parent...
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Tansong Isda
> Are kids obligated to give back to their parents/family? The bottom line: it
> depends on the situation. Personally, if my family in Inang Bayan is in dire
> financial crisis, who am I not to assist? All I can say is I'm thankful that
> they are not. And certainly I can't judge those parents who are in dire need
> of financial assistance. If I were in their shoes, I would've done the same,
> perhaps.
>
> Thanks for your time.
Bottom line is, help whoever is in need, family, then tribe, then
country,....etc...then on and on, it is not an obligation but an extension of
oneself, my desire to have riches is but to be able to give away more. But, I
don't know who said this "Give a man bread and he will eat for one day, but teach
a man to bake bread, and he eats for the rest of his life"...this is our only
obligation to our kids, teach them to live, if they pay us back with anything, it
is a bonus!!...if they live well and not give us any, we are successful. I am now
in a position to give back, and I do, but with the same caution that this is but a
bonus, and not a continuing action. I'm not a govt. entity whose responsibility is
to give away my resources, but it's there.
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<o )°°°°°° =<
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animatór®
>In article <6on4lv$78q$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>,
> "=?iso-8859-1?B?YW5pbWF083Ku?=" <anim...@nomail.net> wrote:
>> Like MC, I too do not think that children are obligated to give back or
>> repay their parents for being raised, fed, clothed and schooled by their
>Picture this scenario and see if your point of view will change:
[hid]
>3. Parents talk it out with eldest. "Son/daughter, we've pooled all our
>resources for your education 'cause that's all we've got. Your part of the
>deal is we'll strive our best to land you a good job in the US/Middle East
>and then you'll provide for the rest of us including the education of your
>two other siblings."
>Now, going back to our views that kids should not be obligated to provide
for
>their parents, would you suggest to Eldest son/daughter to abandon his/her
>family once he/she lands a good job in the US/Middle East? What do you say?
I am sorely tempted to say outhright that it doesn't matter -- but let me
work around this one. I believe that an eldest child or any child for that
matter should not be put in a situation where he obligates himself to anyone
for something that is a parental obligation in the first place. This is not
to suggest that the child in your example should abandon his/her
parents/siblings .... but it simply means that there should be no
pre-conditions even when parents are forced to decide who among their
children would they send to school. All the parents could probably hope or
request is for this child not to forget his/her siblings when he/she
finishes and lands a job. They could explain to him/her their predicament,
and to the other children as well, that this is all they can afford, and
that perhaps someday, when their eldest finally makes it, he or she would
not set them aside. No obligations --- no conditions -- no expectations. A
child who is made to understand will on his own look back and see that his
family gave things up and sacrificed for his sake, out of their love and
nothing else, would on his own make the decision to choose to give back
something in return. From the heart -- not because he is obligated to.
The scenario you gave is most interesting -- it is a fact of life that many
filipinos experience. There are may variations of that scene -- eldest sent
to school, to do the same for his next sibling, and so on. Or eldest stays
at home and works hard and sends younger siblings to school. It is a common
theme even in filipino movies and tv serials which propagate the idea that
obligations are created and must be re-paid. Perhaps, this is a value that
the filipino will find difficult to overcome and to give up.
Utang na Loob is not bad by itself -- rather, it binds families and makes
members of families aware of their roots, their loyalties and fidelites.
However, on the other hand, it too creates burdens, bitterness, heartaches
and disappointments.
animatór®
<199807181251...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>Please do not misinterpret this as an attck on you or MC or Mr. Feria's
>comments, this is rather just a comment on the development of your
thoughts.
I understand -- neither do I ignore nor take your observations lightly.
>You have every right to feel and believe the way that you do, but I think
this
>really underscores how "westernization" has seriously changed and affected
the
>Filipino culture and traditions.
That the thought of "westernization" was the only reason that I had to tread
a fine line. I have considered this when I picked a line from MC's post to
respond to. I really would like to think of this not as an offshoot of
western influence, but as growth in the filipino mentality, to weigh things
and consider their value. I do remember the same discussion when I was in
grade school, and I feel that at that young age, we never thought that
debunking the negative part of utang na loob was out of western influence.
>Animator wrote that tradition is no longer alive. People are more mature
and
>realistic. Is this to say that maintaining traditions is foolhardy and
>immature?
LIke I said in another post, traditions are good in and by themselves --
however, they influence us in almost everything even in ways where they
should not. If filipinos are now looking into and fine-tuning tradition, be
it by western or eastern influence or simply by education, this only means
that the filipino breaking out of it's shell of sterotypes and its
"nakasanayan."
MarcL
wisdom than the original poster whom I've called 'numbed' many times
before.
terri...@yahoo.com
sa.amon...@ANTISPAM.gsb.curtin.edu.au wrote:
>
> TJ, you certainly have more burning compassion in your heart and
> wisdom than the original poster whom I've called 'numbed' many times
> before.
>
It's no big deal, really. I only want to impart to our fully Westernized
kababayans the realities of life in Inang Bayan. They've never experienced
how it is not to have anything to eat at mealtime. They've never experienced
how it is to stop going to school so as to make a living and help your
parents. They've never experienced how it is to have to earn a living to feed
your siblings.
To you fully Westernized kababayans, I have one message. Do not judge. Be
grateful that you live comfortable lives. Be grateful that you don't have
indigent parents to support.
Thanks for reading.
Tansong Isda
> It's no big deal, really. I only want to impart to our fully Westernized
> kababayans the realities of life in Inang Bayan. They've never experienced
> how it is not to have anything to eat at mealtime. They've never experienced
> how it is to stop going to school so as to make a living and help your
> parents. They've never experienced how it is to have to earn a living to feed
> your siblings.
>
> To you fully Westernized kababayans, I have one message. Do not judge. Be
> grateful that you live comfortable lives. Be grateful that you don't have
> indigent parents to support.
I have experienced this...but my opinion is still the same.
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<o )°°°°°° =<
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MariaClara
>
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you know animator, you just expressed what's on my mind in great
details. tks, i somehow knew you would... it's important for everybody
to give from the heart and not because they're expected or obligated
to... ;-)
animatór®
>animatórŽ wrote:
>> I am sorely tempted to say outhright that it doesn't matter -- but let me
>> work around this one. I believe that an eldest child or any child for
that
>you know animator, you just expressed what's on my mind in great
>details. tks, i somehow knew you would... it's important for everybody
>to give from the heart and not because they're expected or obligated
>to... ;-)
>
>~ ~ 8
>Q Q MC
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You are doing very good as well ! Like you, I believe that familial sense
of duty should not include obligations or conditions, but should be driven
by love and concern for each other. ;)
Tchiowa
Tansong Isda wrote in message <35B20F63...@kayo.ano>...
terri...@yahoo.com wrote:
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虜虜 虜
<o )偽偽偽 =<
``秤畔`
Tchiowa
>ARC wrote:
>>
>> MariaClara wrote:
>> >
>> > st...@portlandoregon.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I see the words Pinoy and Pinay used a lot. This confuses me a bit.
>> > > Do they have the exact same definitions or do they have different
>> > > meanings??? I am curious.
>> > >
>> > > SG
>> > ****************
>> >
>> > a pinay's IQ is 5 times higher than a pinoy's... ihihihi!
>> >
>> > ~ ~
>> > Q Q MC
>> > -
>>
>*********
>well, tell your dad the following:
>
>>
>> Pinoys have two heads (Upper region and lower region: thus they are
>> smarter)
>*************
>and pinoys normally think with the lower region not upper...
>
>
>> Pinays have two mouths (Upper region and lower region: thus they talk
>> more).
>***********
>and this is what make pinoys like putty in our little hands...
>
>>
>> Hey, don't flame me....just passing along what my Dad has taught his
>> children.
>**********
>well jis pass along what my mommy taught me... ;-)
>
>>
>> Of course, I, as a liberated American, do not believe in such
>> rubbish...there.
>********
>you must have a pinay girlfriend... ;-)
>>
>> ARC
>
>~ ~
kond...@my-dejanews.com
could provide them. though i am a cultivator of utang-na-loob(sa mga helping
hands) i do not in anyway expect my children to do the same.
as a son, and as a true-blue filipino, i not only find it very gratifying to
extend care and love, including provision of material needs to my parents, i
also derived happiness and pride from it.
tatak sa isang t-shirt na nakita sa maharlika bldg sa session rd, baguio :
"we do not own this world; we borrowed it from our children".
although environmentally, it seems ang theme nito dahil sa magandang
ilustrasyun ng puno sa gitna, i find it applicable din sa magulang-anak
responsibility. as a magulang, i find it responsible to care, nurture and
"make it grow" (as Jesus has shown in one of His parables) something i was
loaned; and as an anak, i believe it is a good judgement to care for the
"something" i know i own.
regards,
kondring
In article <6p1isb$tlt$1...@news.ksc.co.th>,
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MariaClara
speechless? <POK!> SNAP OUT OF IT!
~ ~ 8
Q Q MC
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Dirty Sick Pig
> hey impostor! are you so mesmerized by my beauty that it has left you
> speechless? <POK!> SNAP OUT OF IT!
>
> ~ ~ 8
> Q Q MC
Duh?