this sound like censorship to me.
Renowl
GOP wants ads that criticize Bush pulled
By SHARON THEIMER
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - The Republican National Committee on Friday asked about 250
television stations to pull a liberal group's ads critical of President Bush.
The RNC sent the stations a letter Friday suggesting the outlets may be
complicit in breaking campaign finance laws if they air the MoveOn.org Voter
Fund ads. It asked them to decline to broadcast the ads.
The RNC argues that the group, financed by so-called "soft money," is spending
it on ads to influence a federal election. The campaign finance law broadly
bars the use of such corporate, union and unlimited donations to influence
federal elections.
MoveOn began airing ads Thursday critical of Bush's policies. MoveOn founder
Wes Boyd said the ads are legal, and added that the group isn't concerned by
the RNC's letter. The ads were financed with unlimited donations from
individuals - one form of soft money.
The ads were originally to air in 17 presidential battleground states over five
days at a cost of $1.9 million. Boyd said the group decided Friday to spend $1
million more to run an ad criticizing Bush's economic policies for an
additional week in several states.
In the letter, RNC chief counsel Jill Holtzman Vogel wrote, "As a broadcaster
licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, you have a responsibility to
the viewing public and to your licensing agency to refrain from complicity in
any illegal activity, specifically in this case, violations of our nation's
federal election laws."
Federal Election Commission spokesman Bob Biersack said the FEC could only
determine whether there was anything amiss in the MoveOn ad buy by reviewing
the details, something it typically would do if a complaint was filed against
the group.
H. David Pembrook
That's because, as usual, you don't understand the issue. The Federal Election
Commission has already handed down a preliminary opinion that the money being
used to finance the ads is coming from sources now illegal under
McCain-Finegold.
~~~~~
"When a true genius appears in the world,
you may know him by this sign, that the dunces
are all in confederacy against him."
- Jonathan Swift
Congenital Kano
"Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040308040501...@mb-m16.aol.com...
> scared?
> GOP wants ads that criticize Bush pulled
Yet I suppose you support moves by moveon.org to force the withdrawal of
Bush ads that show the WTC?
It's OK so long as the censorship is against Reps. Riight?
Let's be consistent Pig
Paul Kekai Manansala
> scared?
> GOP wants ads that criticize Bush pulled
>
>
Yeah, the GOP likes to use soft money itself, but is running scared
now that folk like George Soros and groups like MoveOn.org are meeting
them head to head.
Btw, the commercials in question are really great.
Polygraph commercial
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/04_small.shtml
Child's pay
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/01_small.shtml
(___)
\_/ Paul Kekai Manansala
Congenital Kano
"Paul Kekai Manansala" <a.man...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:a704ff38.04030...@posting.google.com...
Wouldn't you know it, the bipartisan moveon.org gets money from, among
others, Theresa Heinz Kerry.
And, ob cors, the "independent" group Peaceful Tomorrows which has
spearheaded the criticism of the Bush ads is a creation of the Tides Center,
which is sponsored by the Vira Heinz Endowment and the Howard Heinz
Endowment - chaired by Teresa Heinz Kerry.
But I'm sure they are non-partisan. Just like you, Paul!
Truth in advertising Pig
H. David Pembrook
>now that folk like George Soros and groups like MoveOn.org are meeting
>them head to head.
You're full of more shit than a Christmas turkey. The GOP has traditionally
been the party of "hard" money, mostly in small donations. The Democrats have
traditionally been the party of "soft" money, mostly in huge chunks from
limousine-liberals. If you don't believe me look it up.
>Btw, the commercials in question are really great.
I wouldn't know.
Good luck, I hope this helps.
Renowl
H. David Pembrook
>
Again, we plumb the depths of your ignorance. Every dime is reported to the
Federal Election Commission. You can go to the FEC's website and look up every
single contributor and exactly how much each gave.
Renowl
Renowl
FROM KERRY'S TOP CONTRIBUTORS
President Bush begins the head-to-head battle for the White House against Sen.
John Kerry with a $100 million advantage in fund raising. For that, Bush can
thank his incumbent status, his network of fund-raising Pioneers and Rangers --
and several of the top contributors to the Kerry campaign.
Nearly half of Kerry's biggest financial supporters contributed more money to
Bush than to Kerry himself through Jan. 30 of this year, according to the
non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics' study of campaign finance reports
filed this month with the Federal Election Commission.
The finding is one of many examples of Bush's fund-raising dominance, and it
illustrates how much ground Kerry must make up to approach financial parity
with the president. Bush raised a total of $145 million for his re-election
effort in the first 13 months of the election cycle, dwarfing Kerry's $33
million.
Kerry's third-largest contributor, Citigroup, gave more than $79,000 in
individual and PAC contributions to the presumptive Democratic nominee through
January. Louis Susman, Citigroup's vice-chairman, is one of Kerry's biggest
fund-raisers. But the financial services giant gave more than $187,000 to the
Bush campaign during the same period, good enough for 12th on the president's
list of top contributors.
Goldman Sachs contributed nearly $65,000 to Kerry through January, earning it
the No. 6 ranking among Kerry's top givers. But the company's employees and PAC
sent Bush nearly $283,000 -- more than four times the amount it gave to Kerry.
Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson and managing director George Walker are Bush
Pioneers who have raised at least $100,000 for the campaign.
Even MassMutual, which ranks among the biggest donors to Kerry over the past 15
years, has contributed more money to Bush than to its home-state senator in the
current election cycle. The insurance conglomerate gave $69,000 to Bush through
January, compared with slightly more than $50,000 to Kerry. MassMutual CEO
Robert O'Connell was a Bush Pioneer in 2000.
In all, nine of Kerry's top 20 donors favor Bush with their contributions.
Kerry's top contributor, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, has given nearly
$106,000 to his campaign. But the nation's largest law firm has contributed an
additional $65,000 to the Bush campaign.
Kerry's No. 2 contributor, Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi, has been far more
lopsided in its giving. The trial law firm has contributed nearly $92,000 to
Kerry and just $4,000 to Bush. The firm's chairman, Mike Ciresi, is one of
Kerry's top fund-raisers.
Two of Kerry's top donors -- Chicago-based Clifford Law Offices and Hill,
Holliday, the Boston-based ad firm -- have given no money to Bush. Bob Clifford
of the Clifford Law Offices and Hill, Holliday Chairman Jack Connors are top
fund-raisers for Kerry.
Half of Kerry's top contributors through January are law firms. Two-thirds of
Bush's top contributors represent the financial sector. Bush's No. 1 financial
supporter, with nearly $458,000 in individual and PAC contributions, is Merrill
Lynch, the financial services firm that has topped the list of the president's
contributors since he first began fund-raising last spring. Second among Bush's
top donors is PricewaterhouseCoopers with nearly $430,000 in contributions.
Rank
Contributor
Total Contributions
To Dems
To Repubs
Contributions Tilt
1
Goldman Sachs
$2,342,663
50%
50%
On the fence
2
Wal-Mart Stores
$1,357,090
16%
84%
Strongly Republican
3
National Assn of Realtors
$1,345,456
52%
48%
On the fence
4
Citigroup Inc
$1,083,897
42%
58%
Leans Republican
5
Lehman Brothers
$1,056,768
48%
52%
On the fence
6
Assn of Trial Lawyers of America
$1,049,999
91%
9%
Solidly Democratic
7
SBC Communications
$1,033,033
32%
68%
Strongly Republican
8
National Assn of Home Builders
$1,007,000
39%
61%
Leans Republican
9
Laborers Union
$976,430
81%
19%
Strongly Democratic
10
United Parcel Service
$974,021
29%
71%
Strongly Republican
11
Time Warner
$969,765
69%
31%
Strongly Democratic
12
Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union
$942,011
98%
1%
Solidly Democratic
13
Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
$933,080
96%
4%
Solidly Democratic
14
Carpenters & Joiners Union
$927,500
61%
39%
Leans Democratic
15
Merrill Lynch
$925,489
20%
80%
Strongly Republican
16
National Auto Dealers Assn
$923,300
30%
70%
Strongly Republican
17
Morgan Stanley
$896,583
39%
60%
Leans Republican
18
Microsoft Corp
$861,252
55%
44%
On the fence
19
National Beer Wholesalers Assn
$843,618
26%
74%
Strongly Republican
20
Credit Union National Assn
$829,713
42%
58%
Leans Republican
21
UBS Americas
$802,313
25%
73%
Strongly Republican
22
PriceWaterhouseCoopers
$796,007
14%
86%
Strongly Republican
23
American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees
$791,589
97%
2%
Solidly Democratic
24
Teamsters Union
$780,250
85%
15%
Strongly Democratic
25
Service Employees International Union
$774,800
83%
17%
Strongly Democratic
26
Verizon Communications
$760,860
33%
67%
Leans Republican
27
American Bankers Assn
$757,633
39%
61%
Leans Republican
28
MBNA Corp
$749,100
13%
87%
Strongly Republican
29
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
$746,585
24%
75%
Strongly Republican
30
Lockheed Martin
$743,744
38%
62%
Leans Republican
31
General Electric
$738,640
38%
62%
Leans Republican
32
Ernst & Young
$732,410
29%
70%
Strongly Republican
33
Air Line Pilots Assn
$714,250
79%
21%
Strongly Democratic
34
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
$713,712
38%
62%
Leans Republican
35
United Auto Workers
$711,580
99%
1%
Solidly Democratic
36
Northrop Grumman
$680,789
37%
63%
Leans Republican
37
American Postal Workers Union
$659,000
77%
22%
Strongly Democratic
38
KPMG LLP
$656,770
20%
80%
Strongly Republican
39
General Dynamics
$645,425
36%
64%
Leans Republican
40
American Hospital Assn
$637,932
41%
59%
Leans Republican
41
AFLAC Inc
$635,892
37%
63%
Leans Republican
42
Credit Suisse First Boston
$632,250
31%
69%
Strongly Republican
43
Boeing Co
$629,186
40%
60%
Leans Republican
44
Operating Engineers Union
$621,994
74%
26%
Strongly Democratic
45
JP Morgan Chase & Co
$614,406
40%
61%
Leans Republican
46
Union Pacific Corp
$606,598
18%
82%
Strongly Republican
47
Blank Rome LLP
$599,100
19%
81%
Strongly Republican
48
Bear Stearns
$593,333
38%
62%
Leans Republican
49
American Dental Assn
$591,008
40%
60%
Leans Republican
50
American Maritime Officers
$590,500
43%
57%
Leans Republican
51
Piper Rudnick LLP
$577,477
69%
31%
Strongly Democratic
52
BellSouth Corp
$574,310
38%
62%
Leans Republican
53
Sheet Metal Workers Union
$569,600
96%
4%
Solidly Democratic
54
Associated Builders & Contractors
$554,550
1%
99%
Solidly Republican
55
Pfizer Inc
$543,239
36%
64%
Leans Republican
56
National Air Traffic Controllers Assn
$535,750
62%
38%
Leans Democratic
57
Greenberg, Traurig et al
$527,432
58%
42%
Leans Democratic
58
Southern Co
$518,800
20%
80%
Strongly Republican
59
Bank of America
$517,840
44%
56%
On the fence
60
Ironworkers Union
$517,725
85%
15%
Strongly Democratic
61
Viacom Inc
$517,600
72%
28%
Strongly Democratic
62
National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn
$511,923
44%
56%
Leans Republican
63
Akin, Gump et al
$505,228
53%
47%
On the fence
64
EMILY's List
$502,134
100%
0%
Solidly Democratic
65
Boilermakers Union
$500,700
94%
5%
Solidly Democratic
66
United Transportation Union
$500,400
80%
20%
Strongly Democratic
67
International Assn of Fire Fighters
$481,600
74%
26%
Strongly Democratic
68
State of Indiana
$471,100
99%
1%
Solidly Democratic
69
Federal Express Corp
$457,700
29%
71%
Strongly Republican
70
Cassidy & Assoc/Interpublic Group
$449,417
47%
53%
On the fence
71
Wachovia Corp
$440,660
21%
79%
Strongly Republican
72
Skadden, Arps et al
$438,869
73%
26%
Strongly Democratic
73
United Food & Commercial Workers Union
$435,550
99%
2%
Solidly Democratic
74
Wells Fargo
$415,016
41%
59%
Leans Republican
75
Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance
$410,900
46%
54%
On the fence
76
American International Group
$409,663
39%
61%
Leans Republican
77
Americans for a Republican Majority
$407,000
0%
99%
Solidly Republican
78
GlaxoSmithKline
$406,800
31%
69%
Strongly Republican
79
Natl Assn Insurance & Financial Advisors
$405,700
32%
68%
Strongly Republican
80
Bank One Corp
$401,836
45%
55%
On the fence
81
Metropolitan Life
$399,511
57%
43%
Leans Democratic
82
National Rifle Assn
$393,523
14%
86%
Strongly Republican
83
Altria Group
$391,550
43%
57%
Leans Republican
84
Baron & Budd
$382,433
96%
4%
Solidly Democratic
85
Patton Boggs LLP
$378,367
71%
29%
Strongly Democratic
86
United Technologies
$376,215
39%
60%
Leans Republican
87
WPP Group
$376,118
42%
57%
Leans Republican
88
American Financial Group
$368,249
4%
96%
Solidly Republican
89
International Longshoremens Assn
$367,400
93%
7%
Solidly Democratic
90
Holland & Knight
$361,575
56%
44%
On the fence
91
Eli Lilly & Co
$357,427
29%
71%
Strongly Republican
92
Walt Disney Co
$357,360
62%
38%
Leans Democratic
93
Communications Workers of America
$355,458
99%
1%
Solidly Democratic
94
Amalgamated Transit Union
$351,500
85%
15%
Strongly Democratic
95
Exelon Corp
$351,468
43%
57%
Leans Republican
96
HSBC USA
$348,400
39%
61%
Leans Republican
97
Winston & Strawn
$339,804
29%
70%
Strongly Republican
98
Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp
$333,813
27%
73%
Strongly Republican
99
Transport Workers Union
$329,500
91%
9%
Solidly Democratic
100
National Cable & Telecommunications Assn
$329,315
46%
54%
On the fence
METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs and
individuals giving $200 or more to federal candidates and parties as reported
to the Federal Election Commission.
All the numbers on this page are for the 2004 el
George W. Bush (R)
$145,016,542
John Kerry (D)
$32,946,293
Renowl
sector:
Oil & Gas
When it comes to campaign contributions, the Republican Party’s ties to the
oil and gas industry have been well documented to say the least. No longer is
it a surprise to note that 78 cents out of every dollar the industry has
contributed to federal parties and candidates over the last decade has gone to
the GOP or that President Bush was the No. 1 recipient of the industry’s
money during the last election. But here’s something you might not know:
Bush, with more than $1.8 million in contributions, got more money from the
industry during 1999-2000 than any other federal candidate over the last
decade, barely eclipsing two fellow Texans in the process. Sen. Phil Gramm (R)
is the No. 2 recipient of oil money since 1989, with $1.6 million from industry
PACs and individuals, while his oil patch colleague Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
(R) ranks second with $1.3 million. Texas-based companies dominate the
industry’s giving. The most generous: the Houston-based Enron, the
industry’s No. 1 contributor during 1999-2000 with more than $2.3 million in
contributions, about $1 million more than No. 2 ranked Exxon-Mobil.
Electric Utilities
Electric utilities can spot an ally when they see one. The electricity industry
heavily favored George W. Bush over Al Gore in last year’s presidential
election, giving almost $7 to the Texas governor for every $1 they gave to the
vice president. All told, Bush collected more than $447,000 in PAC and
individual contributions from electric utilities, compared to just $65,000 for
Gore. In fact, Bush’s two-year fund-raising total exceeds the cumulative
amount that any other federal candidate has received from electric utilities
over the last 10 years.
Overall, electric utilities gave 68 percent of their contributions to
Republican candidates and parties in 1999-2000, just as they did in 1995-96.
But the amount they contributed nearly doubled from one presidential election
to the next, from $9.5 million to $18.9 million. The industry’s PAC
contributions jumped from $4.8 million to $7.7 million during that time, while
its soft money contributions increased from $3.6 million to $8.9 million.
During this same period, the industry improved its ranking among the most
generous industries, from 27th at the end of ’96 to 19th after last year.
Coal
Few industries wagered more heavily on Republicans during the last elections
than coal mining, which handed over 88 cents out of every campaign dollar it
contributed to the GOP during 1999-2000. Its $3.7 million in total giving was
almost three times what the coal industry had given during 1995-96, the
previous presidential cycle. No doubt, some of that generosity had something
with George W. Bush, who was the industry’s top recipient with just over
$110,000 in contributions. Yet the industry’s jump in giving last year can be
credited more to its stepped-up soft money contributions. Coal mining interests
anted up almost $2 million worth of soft money checks during the last
elections, three-quarters of which went to Republicans. That’s three times
what the industry gave during 1995-96, when its soft money giving amounted to
just over $324,000.
Nuclear Power
The nuclear power industry was a generous contributor to federal parties and
candidates during the 2000 elections. The Southern Co, Entergy and other
companies that boast significant nuclear power divisions—as well as industry
trade associations like the Nuclear Energy Institute—contributed roughly
$13.6 million in soft money, PAC and individual contributions to federal
parties and candidates during the last elections. More than two-thirds of that
money went to Republicans. President Bush was the industry’s top individual
recipient, taking in more than $290,000 during 1999-2000, while top recipients
in Congress included Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), who received more than
$100,000; Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), who received nearly $93,000; and Sen.
George Allen (R-Va.), who took in just over $80,000. Look for an expanded
report on the industry’s political giving to be posted tomorrow on the
Center’s Web site, www.opensecrets.org.
Alternative Energy Production and Services
Given all that was at stake for energy interests in the 2000 elections, the
alternative energy industry—a category that includes wind, geothermal and
solar power producers—wanted to make sure that elected officials knew it was
watching. Though the dollars it gave are microscopic compared with other energy
interests, the industry increased its overall giving by more than seven times
between presidential elections, going from $100,974 in soft money, PAC and
individual contributions in 1995-96 to just over $783,000 in 1999-2000. Much of
that increase can be credited to the industry’s dramatic rise in soft money
checks, which jumped to $631,000 during the last election—almost 60 times
what the industry gave during 1995-96.
Perhaps not surprisingly, more than two-thirds of the industry’s giving
during 1999-2000 went to Democrats, with Al Gore ($8,300) ranking as the
industry’s top individual recipient. Yet that marked a major turnaround from
1995-96, when Republicans took the bulk of the industry’s money. That year,
two Nebraska Republicans topped the list of recipients from the industry: Rep.
Jon Christensen ($13,000 in individual and PAC contributions) and Sen. Chuck
Hagel ($12,000).
####
Now it's President Bush's turn. Listed below are Bush's ambassadorial picks
who contributed and/or raised generous amounts of money for Bush and the GOP in
1999-2000. For a complete list of Bush's ambassadorial nominees, go to the U.S.
Department of State Web site.
Updated 1/13/03.
Nominee
Total Contribs.*
To All Repubs.*
To All Dems.*
Just to Bush*
AUSTRALIA
J. Thomas Schieffer
$4,000 $2,000 $2,000 $2,000
AUSTRIA
W.L. Lyons Brown
$137,450 $137,450 $0 $6,000
BAHAMAS
Richard Blankenship
$32,000 $32,000 $0 $7,000
BELGIUM
Stephen Brauer
$413,830 $413,830 $0 $108,000
BELIZE
Russell Freeman
$3,750 $3,750 $0 $2,000
CHINA
Clark Randt, Jr.
$24,000 $24,000 $0 $3,000
COSTA RICA
John Danilovich
$21,000 $21,000 $0 $1,000
CZECH REPUBLIC
Craig Stapleton
$61,500 $61,500 $0 $9,000
DENMARK
Stuart Bernstein
$182,600 $182,600 $0 $9,000
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Hans Hertell
$23,500 $23,000 $0 $3,000
FINLAND
Bonnie McElveen-Hunter
$107,750 $107,750 $0 $6,000
FRANCE
Howard Leach
$399,359 $399,359 $0 $114,000
GERMANY
Daniel Coats
$3,500 $3,500 $0 $0
HUNGARY
Nancy Brinker
$125,000 $125,000 $0 $29,000
INDIA
Robert Blackwill
$1,000 $1,000 $0 $1,000
IRELAND
Richard J. Egan
$491,100 $480,100 $11,000 $112,000
ITALY
Melvin Sembler
$127,600 $127,600 $0 $107,000
JAMAICA
Sue Cobb
$139,250 $139,250 $0 $17,000
JAPAN
Howard Baker
$20,250 $20,250 $0 $1,000
LUXEMBOURG
Peter Terpeluk
$31,300 $31,300 $0 $8,000
MALTA
Anthony Gioia
$37,411 $36,411 $1,000 $10,000
MAURITIUS
John Price
$585,181 $585,181 $0 $120,000
MOROCCO
Margaret Tutwiler
$3,450 $3,200 $250 $1,000
NETHERLANDS
Clifford Sobel
$302,700 $299,700 $3,000 $109,000
NEW ZEALAND
Charles J. Swindells
$42,000 $42,000 $0 $6,000
NORWAY
John Ong
$182,985 $181,735 $1,250 $32,935
PORTUGAL
John Palmer
$167,850 $166,850 $1,000 $9,000
SAUDI ARABIA
Robert W. Jordan
$2,500 $2,500 $0 $1,000
SINGAPORE
Frank Lavin
$4,500 $4,500 $0 $3,000
SLOVAK REPUBLIC
Ronald Weiser
$45,250 $45,250 $0 $8,000
SPAIN
George Argyros
$135,000 $134,000 $1,000 $107,000
SWEDEN
Charles Heimbold
$367,200 $365,200 $2,000 $102,000
SWITZERLAND
Pamela Willeford
$2,700 $2,700 $0 $2,000
TANZANIA
Robert Royall
$30,500 $30,500 $0 $7,500
UNITED KINGDOM
William S. Farish
$143,875 $142,875
$1,000 $107,000
URUGUAY
Martin Silverstein
$40,575 $37,325 $2,250 $4,000
*Figures represent contributions from the individual and his/her immediate
family to federal candidates, party committees, and leadership PACs. Columns
listing total contributions, contributions to Republicans, and contributions to
Bush include donations made to the Bush-Cheney recount fund, transition
foundation, and inauguration committee. Contributions to Republicans include
contributions to Bush. Figures are based on Federal Election Commission data.
This is a list of donors to the Bush-Cheney 2001 Presidential Inaugural
Committee. The committee reportedly took in a record $40 million in private
contributions for the inaugural festivities. The committee thus far has
disclosed $28.8 million in contributions. (Click here and here and here for
further analysis, including a look at industry giving to the committee.)
**Updated January 25, 2001
Donor
City
State
Organizaton/Occupation
Amount
A Duda & Sons Oviedo FL A Duda & Sons $5,000
Richard Aab Rochester NY US LEC Corp $25,000
Abbott Laboratories Abbott Park IL Abbott Laboratories $100,000
Scott Adams Boca Raton FL Cenetec LLC $20,000
ADI Enterprises Naples FL ADI Enterprises $20,000
AEGON USA Cedar Rapids IA AEGON USA $100,000
David Alameel Dallas TX Jefferson Dental Clinic $100,000
Martha Alameel Dallas TX Jefferson Dental Clinic $25,000
Mark Albrecht McLean VA Lockheed Martin $25,000
Anthony J Alexander Uniontown OH FirstEnergy Corp $100,000
Robert Allison Houston TX Anadarko Petroleum $25,000
Ruth Altshuler Dallas TX University of Texas/Southwestern Med Ctr $25,000
America Online Dulles VA America Online $100,000
American Council of Life Insurance Washington DC American Council of Life
Insurance $100,000
American Financial Group Cincinnati OH American Financial Group $100,000
American Gas Assn Washington DC American Gas Assn $25,000
American International Group New York NY American International Group $100,000
Linus Amorsingh Washington DC $5,000
John Angelo New York NY Angelo Gordon & Co $100,000
Anheuser-Busch St Louis MO Anheuser-Busch $100,000
Hushang Ansary Houston TX IRI International $100,000
Jack Antaramain Naples FL Antaramian Development $20,000
Dale Apley Troy MI K Mart Corp $100,000
Archer-Daniels-Midland Co Decatur IL Archer-Daniels-Midland Co $100,000
Archery Manufacturers & Merchants Org Gainsville FL Archery Manufacturers &
Merchants Org $25,000
George Argyros Costa Mesa CA Arnel & Affiliates $100,000
Steven Armington Concord Township OH Ranpak Corp $10,000
Alan Arsht Bellaire TX Arsht Co $5,000
Associated Intl Technology Houston TX Associated Intl Technology $10,000
AT&T Chicago IL AT&T $100,000
Kathy Bailey Washington DC $10,000
William Ball Washington DC National Soft Drink Assn $25,000
Barbour, Griffith & Rogers Yazoo City MS Barbour, Griffith & Rogers $25,000
Robert G Barrett San Francisco CA Battery Ventures $100,000
Carol Bartz San Rafael CA Autodesk Inc $50,000
Lawrence Bathgate Lakewood NJ Bathgate, Wegener & Wolf $100,000
BBK LTD Southfield MI BBK LTD $20,000
Donald Beck Cincinnati OH Beck Architecture Inc $5,000
Tom Benson Metairie LA New Orleans Saints $100,000
Yvonne Berezoski Ashburn VA Potomac Corp $5,000
Dennis Berman Irving TX Denitech Corp $100,000
Wayne Berman Washington DC Berman Enterprises $100,000
Tom Bernstein New York NY Chelsea Piers Management $50,000
Berry Investments New Carlisle OH Berry Investments $100,000
Marylinn Berry New Carlisle OH Berry Investments $80,000
Steven K Berry Annandale VA Cellular Telecom Industry Assn $100,000
Bessemer Trust Co Woodbridge NJ Bessemer Trust Co $100,000
Roland Betts New York NY Chelsea Piers Management $50,000
William Bilawa Washington DC Tamsco $25,000
Charles Black Washington DC Black, Kelly et al $5,000
Boeing Co Seattle WA Boeing Co $100,000
Joseph Bogosian Arlington VA McGuire, Woods et al $25,500
Mary Ann Bonsley Treasure Island FL $25,000
Kenneth Bourne Baltimore MD Mercantile Bancorp $25,000
Katherine Boyd Hillsborough CA Katherine E Boyd Interior Decoration $5,000
BP Amoco Corp Tulsa OK BP Amoco Corp $100,000
Sanford Brass Houston TX Trifinery Petroleum $25,475
Stephen & Kimmy Brauer Bridgeton MO Hunter Engineering $100,000
Edgar Brenner Washington DC Attorney $5,000
Nancy Brinker Dallas TX Brinker International Inc $25,000
William O Brisben Cincinnati OH WO Brisben Co $100,000
Les Brorsen Washington DC Ernst & Young $25,000
Melissa Brown Chevy Chase MD Physician $5,000
Patricia Bush Chevy Chase MD Homemaker $5,000
John J Cafaro Youngstown OH Cafaro Companies $100,000
Lyle Campbell Paradise Valley AZ Bank of Arizona $100,000
Canchola Group Tucson AZ Canchola Group $5,000
Joseph Canizaro New Orleans LA Columbus Properties $100,000
Vincent Cappucci New York NY Entwistle & Capucci $5,000
Alberto Cardenas Miami FL Tew & Beasley $2,500
Donald J Carter Denton TX Home Interiors & Gifts $100,000
Linda Carter Dallas TX Home Interiors & Gifts $100,000
Donald Carty Dallas TX American Airlines $100,000
Barbara Morris Caspersen Gladstone NJ Knickerbocker Management $100,000
Finn Caspersen Gladstone NJ Knickerbocker Management $100,000
Robert Castellini Cincinnati OH Castellini Co $100,000
Catholic Health Assn of America St Louis MO Catholic Health Assn of America
$550
Charles Cawley Wilmington DE MBNA America Bank $100,000
CCO Communications Inc Dearborn MI CCO Communications Inc $100,000
CeKa Technolgies Vienna VA CeKa Technolgies $10,000
Tom Celani Bloomfield Hills MI Action Distributing Co $100,000
John W Chamberlain Rancho Santa Fe CA American Assets Inc $5,000
Charlton Group St Claire Shores MI Charlton Group $20,000
Philip Christenson Washington DC Foreign Affairs Consultant $7,500
Cisco Systems San Jose CA Cisco Systems $100,000
Citigroup Inc New York NY Citigroup Inc $100,000
Ida Clement Kingsville TX King Ranch Inc $100,000
James H Clement Dallas TX Finance $100,000
Jim & Vicki Click Tuscon AZ Jim Click Automotive Group $100,000
Cobb Partners Coral Gables FL Cobb Partners $20,000
Jack Coffey Sacramento CA $5,000
William T Coleman Las Altos CA Bea Systems Inc $25,000
Thomas Collamore Chevy Chase MD Philip Morris $100,000
Glenn S Collins College Station TX Neodyme Technologies $100,000
Com Investments Kirkland WA Com Investments $100,000
Douglas Combs Amissville VA Rappahanock Factors $25,000
Comp Options Jacksonville FL Comp Options $25,000
Comprehensive Environmental Services Garfield NJ Comprehensive Environmental
Services $2,500
Lodwrick Cook Los Angeles CA Global Crossing $10,000
Cooper Capital Atlanta GA Cooper Capital $20,000
Cottonwood Properties Tuscon AZ Cottonwood Properties $20,000
John E Cramer St Louis MO Casper Stolle Quarry $5,000
Felix Crawford Jacksonville FL Cavco Inc $25,000
Crown American Enterprises Johnstown PA Crown American Enterprises $30,000
CVR Associates Tampa FL CVR Associates $25,000
CVRS LLC Livonia MI CVRS LLC $100,000
Joanne D'Elia Hobe Sound FL $10,000
William Danof Detroit MI Miller, Canfield et al $5,000
Richard K Davidson Omaha NE Union Pacific Corp $100,000
Robert A Day Los Angeles CA Trust Co of The West $100,000
Allen De Olazarra Coral Gables FL ACP Real Estate $20,000
Lawrence DeGeorge Jupiter FL DEG Capital Management $100,000
William O DeWitt Cincinnati OH Reynolds, Dewitt & Co $100,000
Deborah Dingell McLean VA General Motors Corp $100,000
Elaine Dismuke Rockville MD Investments $25,000
James K Dobbs Memphis TN Dobbs Brothers Management $100,000
Ronald Docksai Reston VA Bayer Corp $5,000
Dominion Resources Richmond VA Dominion Resources $100,000
John F Donahue Pittsburgh PA Federated Investors Inc $100,000
Carol Dover Havana FL Florida Restaurant Assn $5,000
Dow Chemical Midland MI Dow Chemical $100,000
Dr Pepper/7-Up Plano TX Dr Pepper/7-Up $25,000
Stephen DuBrul New York NY Consultant $2,500
Peter Duffy Chattanooga TN Leggett & Platt Inc $5,000
Archie Dunham Houston TX Conoco Inc $100,000
George Dunlop Arlington VA Century Communications $5,000
Charles DuPont San Diego CA Charles Dupont LLC $37,800
Earl Durden Panama City FL Rail Management & Consulting $20,000
James Duty Houston TX $25,000
Easton Babcock & Assoc Miami FL Easton Babcock & Assoc $20,000
James Edenfield Atlanta GA American Software Inc $10,000
EDS Corp Plano TX EDS Corp $10,000
Richard Egan Hopkinton MA EMC Corp $100,000
Lewis M Eisenberg New York NY Granite Capital International Group $100,000
William Elliott New York NY $5,000
Gary Ellsworth Bethesda MD USEC Inc $25,000
Irl Engelhardt St Louis MO Peabody Group $100,000
Roger Enrico Greenwich CT PepsiCo/Frito Lay $200,000
Enron Corp Houston TX Enron Corp $100,000
Andrew Entwistle North Salem NY Entwistle & Capucci $5,000
John Erickson Baltimore MD Senior Campus Living $25,000
Ernst & Young Dallas TX Ernst & Young $10,000
Fannie Mae Washington DC Fannie Mae $100,000
Issam Fares Houston TX Link Group $100,000
Nijad Fares Houston TX Link Group $100,000
William S Farish Houston TX Land's End Farm $100,000
Farmer's Insurance Los Angeles CA Farmer's Insurance $50,000
Richard T Farmer Cincinnati OH Cintas Corp $100,000
Douglas Faucette Washington DC Muldoon, Murphy & Faucette $5,000
Gary Fazzino Colorado Springs CO Hewlett-Packard $50,000
Joan M Ferrill Alexandria VA Strathmoore Co $10,000
Benjamin Finley Washington DC Investor $2,500
Julie Finley Washington DC DC Republican National Cmte $100,000
David Flaum Rochester NY Flaum Management $25,000
William Fletcher Doylestown PA TEVA Pharmaceuticals USA $25,000
Florida Combined Insurance Agency Jacksonville FL Florida Combined Insurance
Agency $50,000
William P Foley II Santa Barbara CA Fidelity National Financial $100,000
Charles T Foscue Encino CA HAI Finance Corp $100,000
Sam Fox St Louis MO Harbour Group Ltd $100,000
Barbara Franklin Washington DC Barbara Franklin Enterprises $5,000
Bradford Freeman Los Angeles CA Freeman, Spogli & Co $100,000
Bob Funk Piedmont OK Express Personnel $5,000
Billie Galef Los Angeles CA $5,000
John Garland Ada MI $25,000
Robert Gauntt Houston TX $5,000
Gemisys Financial Services Engelwood CO Gemisys Financial Services $5,000
General Electric New York NY General Electric $100,000
General Motors Acceptance Corp Detroit MI General Motors Acceptance Corp
$100,000
Thomas George St Louis MO $5,000
Bert Getz Libertyville IL Globe Corp $100,000
James P Gills Tarpon Springs FL St Luke's Cataract & Laser $5,000
David Girard-DiCarlo Philadelphia PA Blank, Rome et al $10,000
Roy Glass St Petersburg FL $10,000
Vadim Gluzman New York NY Violinist $25,000
Jean Godwin Pensacola FL Investor $7,500
Goldman, Sachs & Co New York NY Goldman, Sachs & Co $100,000
Thomas Graham Bethesda MD Lawyers For World Security $2,500
Barbara Grimm Bakersfield CA Grimmway Farms $100,000
Gerard Growney St Petersurg FL Developer $5,000
Mark Guzzetta Delray Beach FL Blue Lake Resort/Guzzetta & Associates $40,000
William Gyves New York NY Entwistle & Capucci $5,000
Timothy Haake Washington DC Haake & Assoc $50,000
John P Hageman Austin TX Farmers Insurance Group of Companies $50,000
Joseph Hagin Cincinnati OH Thomson McKinnon Security $5,000
Ellen Hall Upperville VA $2,500
Fred Halpern Livingston NJ Attorney/Real Estate Development $12,500
Ron Hamilton Johnstown PA $5,000
Edward Hamm Hobe Sound FL Northland Co $99,000
Edward Hamm Hobe Sound FL Northland Co $1,000
James Harless Gilbert WV International Industries $100,000
Malik Hasan Pueblo CO Qual Med $100,000
James Haslam Knoxville TN Pilot Corp $25,000
Charles Heimbold New York NY Bristol-Myers Squibb $100,000
Andrew Heller Austin TX Heller Associates $5,000
Lowell Hellervik St Paul MN Personell Decisions Inc $5,000
John F Hendrickson Saratoga Springs NY Whitney Industries $100,000
John Henry $100,000
Frank Hevrdejs Houston TX Sterling Group $5,000
Hewitt Financial Orlando FL Hewitt Financial $5,000
Hickman Investments Fort Worth TX Hickman Investments $5,000
Tom Hicks Dallas TX Hicks, Muse et al $100,000
Michael Hightower Jacksonville FL Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Florida $25,000
WA "Gus" Hillenbrand New York NY Hillenbrand Industries $100,000
Elsie Hillman Pittsburgh PA Hillman Co $25,000
Carla A Hills Washington DC Hills & Stern $5,000
Elliott Hilsinger Cincinnati OH Merchant $5,000
HMTF Operating LP Dallas TX HMTF Operating LP $100,000
Alfred Hoffman Jr Fort Myers FL Watermark Communities Inc $100,000
Clayton Hollis Lakeland FL Publix Supermarkets Inc $25,000
Peter M Holt Blanco TX Holt Companies $100,000
HOLTON, JAMES Madiera Beach FL Attorney $10,000
Home Depot Atlanta GA Home Depot $50,000
Honeywell International Washington DC Honeywell International $100,000
Nancy Horton Las Altos Hills CA Jack Horton Drywall Inc $5,000
John & Joan Hotchkis Pasadena CA Hotchkis & Wiley $100,000
B Wayne Hughes Glendale CA Public Storage Inc $100,000
Ray Hunt Dallas TX Hunt Oil $100,000
I3 Shop USA Inc New York NY I3 Shop USA Inc $100,000
IBM Corp Endicott NY IBM Corp $100,000
International Game Technology Reno NV International Game Technology $100,000
Invacare Corp Elyria OH Invacare Corp $100,000
J-M Manufacturing Co Livingston NJ J-M Manufacturing Co $100,000
Michael Jaharis Norwalk CT Kos Pharmaceuticals $100,000
Jonathan Javitt Chevy Chase MD Physician $10,000
JHS Management LLC Tampa FL JHS Management LLC $100,000
Art Jimenez Chicago IL $2,500
John Hancock Mutual Life Boston MA John Hancock Mutual Life $100,000
Charles B Johnson Hillsborough CA Franklin Resources $100,000
Don Johnson Riddle OR DR Johnson Lumber Co $50,000
Glen Johnson Athens PA Gotuslip Clinic $2,500
Dennis & Judy Jones St Louis MO Jones Pharma Inc $100,000
William R Jordan Fayetteville NC Physician $10,000
JP Morgan & Co New York NY JP Morgan & Co $100,000
Woo Jung Ju Virginia Beach VA Retired $5,000
Lawrence Kadish Westbury NY First Fiscal Fund $100,000
Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical/Maxxam Inc Pleasanton CA Kaiser Aluminum &
Chemical/Maxxam Inc $100,000
Munr Kazmir Closter NJ Quality Home Care Providers $45,000
John "AC" Kelly Kirkland WA Microsoft Corp $100,000
Patrick Kelly Oak Brook IL DP Holdings Inc $25,900
Kulfiq Khan Richmond VA $5,000
James K Kim Gladwyne PA Amkor Technology Inc $100,000
Richard Kinder Houston TX Kinder Morgan Energy Partners $100,000
Don Knauss Houston TX $50,000
Knight Trading Group Jersey City NJ Knight Trading Group $100,000
Charles F Knight St Louis MO Emerson Electric $100,000
Kohler Co Kohler MI Kohler Co $50,000
C Michael Kojaian Bloomfield Hills MI Kojaian Companies $50,000
Thomas Kordonowy Deephaven MI Steiner Development $2,500
Markus Koro San Diego CA US Dept of Defense $50,000
Kraft Enterprises Co Naples FL Kraft Enterprises Co $20,000
Kraft Foods/Philip Morris New York NY Kraft Foods/Philip Morris $100,000
Robert Kramer Beverly Hills CA $100,000
James Langdon Washington DC Akin, Gump et al $25,000
J Terrence Lanni Las Vegas NV MGM Grand $100,000
Ronald Lauder New York NY Estee Lauder Companies $100,000
Kenneth & Linda Lay Houston TX Enron Corp $100,000
Fred Lazenby Nashville TN Bretagne General Partnership $5,000
Howard Leach San Francisco CA Leach Capital Corp $100,000
Lee M Bass Inc Fort Worth TX Lee M Bass Inc $100,000
Lehman Brothers Jersey City NJ Lehman Brothers $25,000
Craig Lentzsch Dallas TX Greyhound Lines $25,000
Thomas C Leppert Dallas TX Turner Corp $100,000
Steve Letbetter Houston TX Reliant Energy $100,000
Limited Inc Columbus OH Limited Inc $100,000
Carl Lindner Cincinnati OH American Financial Group $100,000
Lockheed Martin Bethesda MD Lockheed Martin $200,000
Caitlan Long New York NY Credit Suisse First Boston $2,500
Jaime Lucero North Arlington NJ Gold & Silver $2,500
James MacDougald St. Petersburg FL ABR Information Services $100,000
Major League Baseball New York NY Major League Baseball $100,000
Robert Malott Chicago IL FMC Corp $7,500
Jeffrey A Marcus Dallas TX Marcus Cable Properties $25,000
Marriott International** Washington DC Marriott International $1,060,000
William McCormick Grosse Pointe MI CMS Energy $100,000
McDonald Associates Coppell TX McDonald Associates $1,000
Mary Pat McDowell Flower Mound TX McDowell Corp $100,000
John McGee Charleston WV Retired $10,000
Henry "Hank" McKinnell Greenwich CT Pfizer Inc $100,000
Timothy McKone Alexandria VA Davis, Manafort & Freedman $100,000
McLane Co Temple TX McLane Co $25,000
Kevin McNerney Oakton VA Heidrick & Struggles $5,000
Gerald T McPhee Washington DC Occidental Petroleum $100,000
Merck & Co Washington DC Merck & Co $100,000
George Merck Palm Beach FL Merck & Co $20,000
Merrill Lynch Jacksonville FL Merrill Lynch $100,000
Mexigulf Developers Naples FL Mexigulf Developers $20,000
Averil Meyer New York NY $10,000
Blair Meyer Palm Beach FL $10,000
Fred Meyer Dallas TX Aladdin Industries $100,000
Robert F Meyerson Akron OH Telantis Group $100,000
Robert Mills Las Vegas NV $1,000
Robert L Mitchell Rockville MD Mitchell & Best Group $100,000
Robert Monahan Washington DC $5,000
John A Moran PALM BEACH FL Dyson-Kissner-Moran Corp $100,000
Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Co New York NY Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Co
$100,000
H Gary Morse LADY LAKE FL Villages of Lake Sumter $100,000
Georgette Mosbacher New York NY Georgette Mosbacher Enterprise $2,500
Ghias Moussa Florham Park NJ Physician $10,000
I Lynn Mueller Albany NY Decision Strategies Group $5,000
Janet Mullins Grissom Washington DC Ford Motor Co $100,000
Shannon Murchison Dallas TX Tecon Corp $5,000
Rupert Murdoch New York NY News Corp $100,000
David H Murdock Westlake Village CA Dole Food $100,000
Stephen Murphy Washington DC $5,000
Steven Murphy Sunnyvale CA $5,000
Gary Nakamoto McLean VA Base Technologies Inc $7,500
National Assn of Home Builders Washington DC National Assn of Home Builders
$100,000
National Assn of Realtors Chicago IL National Assn of Realtors $25,000
National Education Assn Washington DC National Education Assn $25,900
Natl Assn of Broadcasters Washington DC Natl Assn of Broadcasters $50,000
Neodyme Technologies College Station TX Neodyme Technologies $100,000
Peter Ng Dallas TX Singma Imports $5,000
Tassie Nicandros Houston TX Conoco Corp $5,000
Northwest Airlines Eagen MN Northwest Airlines $69,750
Erle Nye Dallas TX Texas Utilities Co $100,000
Peter O'Malley Los Angeles CA Los Angeles Dodgers $100,000
David J O'Reilly San Francisco CA Chevron Corp $100,000
Donald G Ogilvie Washington DC American Bankers Assn $100,000
Pamela Olson Arlington VA Skadden, Arps et al $5,000
Ted Olson Los Angeles CA $25,000
John Ong Akron OH BF Goodrich $25,000
Donald Oren Roseville MN Dart Transit Co $5,000
James Orr Cincinnati OH Convergys Corp $100,000
Rocco Ortenzio Lemoyne PA Select Medical Corp $100,000
Outback Steakhouse Tampa FL Outback Steakhouse $100,000
Anne Dale Owen Houston TX $2,500
Diane Graves Owen Abilene TX Owen Healthcare $25,700
Randy Owen $5,000
Richard Parker Lake Oswego OR United Finance $5,000
John Paxson Willoughby OH Telxon Corp $5,000
John Paxton Cincinnati OH Telxon Corp $100,000
John Payson Hobe Sound FL Midtown Payson Galleries $50,000
Steven Pease Sonoma CA Deucalion Securities Venture Capital $5,000
Pepper Hamilton LLP Philadelphia PA Pepper Hamilton LLP $25,000
Jerrold Perenchio Los Angeles CA Chartwell Partners $100,000
Thomas Petway Jacksonville FL Zurich Insurance $100,000
Steve Pfaelzer Norwood MA $1,000
Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America Washington DC Pharmaceutical Rsrch &
Mfrs of America $100,000
Pharmacia & Upjohn Inc Kalamazoo MI Pharmacia & Upjohn Inc $100,000
Phillips Industries High Point NC Phillips Industries $100,000
Phil Phillips High Point NC $25,000
Jerry Pierce Cincinnati OH $25,000
Pilgrim's Pride Corp Pittsburg TX Pilgrim's Pride Corp $100,000
Pilot Corp Knoxville TN Pilot Corp $25,000
Rev. Michael Place St Louis MO Catholic Health Assn of America $25,000
PMX Industries Cedar Rapids IA PMX Industries $100,000
David Pratt St Louis MO United Industries Corp $100,000
Heinz Prechter Southgate MI ASC Inc/Pre
Congenital Kano
> BUSH RAISING CAMPAIGN FUNDS
> FROM KERRY'S TOP CONTRIBUTORS
Once again, you demonstrate you lack of understanding.
1. Please explain the difference between "hard money" and "soft money"
2. Please explain the limitations placed upon soft money by McCain-Feingold.
3. Please explain the differences between MCFL exemptions under the BCFRA
and 527 and 501 groups, and how these are affected by the recent Supreme
Court decision on BCFRA.
Thanks!
Inquiring minds Pig
Renowl
Congenital Kano
> explain yada yada ...
Think and know something about a subject before posting yada yada...
Dirty Sick Pig
Congenital Kano wrote:
Yada-Yada is a Jedi, you ignorami.
Force Pig
Paul Kekai Manansala
> "Paul Kekai Manansala" <a.man...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:a704ff38.04030...@posting.google.com...
> > ren...@aol.com (Renowl) wrote in message
> news:<20040308040501...@mb-m16.aol.com>...
> > > scared?
> > > GOP wants ads that criticize Bush pulled
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, the GOP likes to use soft money itself, but is running scared
> > now that folk like George Soros and groups like MoveOn.org are meeting
> > them head to head.
> >
> > Btw, the commercials in question are really great.
> >
Polygraph commercial
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/04_small.shtml
> >
Child's pay
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/01_small.shtml
>
> Wouldn't you know it, the bipartisan moveon.org
I believe the word is non-partisan.
>gets money from, among
> others, Theresa Heinz Kerry.
>
So. That does not effect the non-partisan status. They can take
money from any individuals regardless of party affiliation. Their
actions must be done independently of any party consent. Other than
that they are free to criticize Bush all they want.
> And, ob cors, the "independent" group Peaceful Tomorrows which has
> spearheaded the criticism of the Bush ads is a creation of the Tides Center,
> which is sponsored by the Vira Heinz Endowment and the Howard Heinz
> Endowment - chaired by Teresa Heinz Kerry.
>
Great. I thank them for this good work.
> But I'm sure they are non-partisan. Just like you, Paul!
>
>
I have non-partisan credentials. Currently I'm a board member of an
organization chaired by a Republican. How about you?
(___)
\_/ Paul Kekai Manansala
Regard
H. David Pembrook
>organization chaired by a Republican.
Log Cabbin Republicans?
Congenital Kano
> > Wouldn't you know it, the bipartisan moveon.org
>
> I believe the word is non-partisan.
Yup. My bad.
> >gets money from, among
> > others, Theresa Heinz Kerry.
> >
>
> So. That does not effect the non-partisan status. They can take
> money from any individuals regardless of party affiliation. Their
> actions must be done independently of any party consent. Other than
> that they are free to criticize Bush all they want.
Well, no. "Nonpartisan" is defined as "not partisan; especially : free from
party affiliation, bias, or designation".
Are you prepared to say that MoveOn.org is not biased? Look at the opening
page of their web site - they want to censure Bush, they claim Bush is
harming the environment, and they have two glowing pieces about Al Gore,
along with a contest to make anti-Bush ads. Why would anyone think they are
biased in one way or another?
Hmmm. I think that an organization started to try to keep Bill Clinton from
being impeached which thinks Al Gore is a great guy and knowledgeable
speaker while repeating the canard that "Bush knew" (yup - like Clinton knew
and still maintains he knows Saddam had WMD, a real pisser for the Dems,
like Kerry knew as a member of the Senate Intelligence committees having the
same intel as Bush, etc.) is a wee bit partisan.
I think when you *only* show one side, when you say *nothing* good about the
other side, and where you solicit political action aimed at only one party,
you are partisan.
But that's just me.
> > And, ob cors, the "independent" group Peaceful Tomorrows which has
> > spearheaded the criticism of the Bush ads is a creation of the Tides
Center,
> > which is sponsored by the Vira Heinz Endowment and the Howard Heinz
> > Endowment - chaired by Teresa Heinz Kerry.
> >
>
> Great. I thank them for this good work.
Sure. I'm sure you think it great that a presidential candidate's wife
funds organizations that claim to be nonpartisan representing 9-11 victims
when in reality they are mouthpieces for the Dems.
"Honesty" and "Democratic politics" cannot be used in the same sentence with
a straight face.
> > But I'm sure they are non-partisan. Just like you, Paul!
>
> I have non-partisan credentials. Currently I'm a board member of an
> organization chaired by a Republican. How about you?
Paul, these are not "nonpartisan credentials". What organization?
"Republicans against Bush"? I'm a Democrat for Bush. Doesn't that
establish *my* nonpartisan qualifications? I join Sen. Zell Miller and
Mayor Ed Koch in this.
BTW, what happened to your claim that the middle class and lower classes
bore the brunt of Clinton's downsizing of the budget that only looked like
an increase of the budget? Did you figure you had "taught" me enough about
the subject?
Wow, I am glad you let up on me, because I was reduced to schoolgirl
tears...
Gore No More Pig
Paul Kekai Manansala
> "Paul Kekai Manansala" <a.man...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:a704ff38.04031...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
> >
> > money from any individuals regardless of party affiliation. Their
> > actions must be done independently of any party consent. Other than
> > that they are free to criticize Bush all they want.
>
> Well, no. "Nonpartisan" is defined as "not partisan; especially : free from
> party affiliation, bias, or designation".
>
Not in the sense recognized by federal laws.
Non-partisan simply means they act free of consent of any of the
parties.
There is no law that prevents them from accepting money from people
registered to any political party.
Many non-partisan organizations may look like party-oriented depending
on whether they are "conservative" or "liberal."
Many republicans now consider environmental organizations like the
Sierra Club as "Democratic-leaning." But that says more about the
swing in Republican ideology than anything else.
> BTW, what happened to your claim that the middle class and lower classes
> bore the brunt of Clinton's downsizing of the budget that only looked like
> an increase of the budget?
As far as I could see I taught you the usual free lesson. Or at least
I tried, the concept that the simple dollar-figure of the budget was
not meaningful unless adjusted seemed to fly over your head.
Paul Kekai Manansala
> >I have non-partisan credentials. Currently I'm a board member of an
> >organization chaired by a Republican.
>
> Log Cabbin Republicans?
>
>
Hey if they're tired of the conservative Wacos they're welcome to vote
for Kerry.
(___)
\_/ Paul Kekai Manansala
George W. Bush, Hero of Alabama, awarded for exceptional valor in
avoiding AWOL charges.
H. David Pembrook
>Sierra Club as "Democratic-leaning."
Gosh, you think? Maybe their socialist agenda toward personal property rights
has something to do with it.
R. Cutter
news:a704ff38.04031...@posting.google.com:
>
> Many non-partisan organizations may look like party-oriented depending
> on whether they are "conservative" or "liberal."
>
> Many republicans now consider environmental organizations like the
> Sierra Club as "Democratic-leaning." But that says more about the
> swing in Republican ideology than anything else.
>
>> BTW, what happened to your claim that the middle class and lower
>> classes bore the brunt of Clinton's downsizing of the budget that
>> only looked like an increase of the budget?
>
> As far as I could see I taught you the usual free lesson. Or at least
> I tried, the concept that the simple dollar-figure of the budget was
> not meaningful unless adjusted seemed to fly over your head.
This guy is fucking unbelieveably dense he actually thinks he has
something to teach anybody.
Paul Kekai Manansala
> >Many republicans now consider environmental organizations like the
> >Sierra Club as "Democratic-leaning."
>
> Gosh, you think? Maybe their socialist agenda toward personal property rights
> has something to do with it.
>
>
You've been reading to many survivalist mags in your fallout shelter.
The Sierra Club has members of all political persuasion who happen to
agree on protecting the environment. What kind of agenda do they have
against personal property rights -- no personal storage of
weapons-grade plutonium perhaps?
Congenital Kano
"Paul Kekai Manansala" <a.man...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:a704ff38.04031...@posting.google.com...
Try to keep up, Paul. The environmentalists in collusion with local and
state governments are using the power of imminent domain to steal land from
farmers, ranchers and homeowners to "protect" it. See ongoing struggle in
the South Bay near you.
Reads more than the Workers World Daily Pig
Congenital Kano
"Paul Kekai Manansala" <a.man...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:a704ff38.04031...@posting.google.com...
> "Congenital Kano" <jrsdadde...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<8xP4c.8751$po.156214@attbi_s52>...
> > "Paul Kekai Manansala" <a.man...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:a704ff38.04031...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > So. That does not effect the non-partisan status. They can take
> > > money from any individuals regardless of party affiliation. Their
> > > actions must be done independently of any party consent. Other than
> > > that they are free to criticize Bush all they want.
> >
> > Well, no. "Nonpartisan" is defined as "not partisan; especially : free
from
> > party affiliation, bias, or designation".
> >
>
> Not in the sense recognized by federal laws.
>
> Non-partisan simply means they act free of consent of any of the
> parties.
> There is no law that prevents them from accepting money from people
> registered to any political party.
Actually, once again you are wrong. "Non-partisan" as recognized by federal
election laws means not favoring one candidate over another, disseminating
information on both sides equally and freely (see, for example, the Advisory
Opinions from the FEC). Organizations that are truly nonpartisan are exempt
from federal reporting obligations. The IRS also has strict standards,
particularly regarding 501(c)(3) nonprofits. "To remain nonpartisan the
group's focus should be on the broader issues and not make comparisons
between candidate proposals or positions."
http://www.npaction.org/article/articleview/396/1/162/
> Many non-partisan organizations may look like party-oriented depending
> on whether they are "conservative" or "liberal."
Once again, you confuse "nonpartisan" with "not party sponsored." When a
group supports one candidate over another, they are partisan.
> Many republicans now consider environmental organizations like the
> Sierra Club as "Democratic-leaning." But that says more about the
> swing in Republican ideology than anything else.
Of course. Just as conservatives believe the media which is supposedly
nonpartisan is liberal (why they think this, I have no idea -- just because
over 80% of journalists vote Democrat and the major newspapers always
endorse Democrats is probably a statistical blip, uncorrected for
inflation).
>
> > BTW, what happened to your claim that the middle class and lower classes
> > bore the brunt of Clinton's downsizing of the budget that only looked
like
> > an increase of the budget?
>
> As far as I could see I taught you the usual free lesson. Or at least
> I tried, the concept that the simple dollar-figure of the budget was
> not meaningful unless adjusted seemed to fly over your head.
Sure. Just as you taught me Clinton cut the military in half when he
didn't, cut jobs when unemployment dropped, ignored the fact that the budget
figures I gave *were* adjusted for inflation, and showed me that the poor
bear the burden of taxes when the lower 50% of wage earners pay 4% of the
taxes collected.
Yes, master, you have taught me well...
If this is how you score when you *win* a debate, I'd hate to see the
carnage when you admit *losing* a debate. Oh, I porget -- you never admit
when you're wrong, so you can't win. Got it.
Up is Down Pig