It's not rude to post in Tagalog
Rick and Neneng
Why the big fuss? If you want a translation, just ask!
Rick
that's me
Rick and Neneng wrote:
>
> Why the big fuss? If you want a translation, just ask!
>
that's what i say. i can't understand the point of the "it's rude to
post in tagalog" thread. i mean, while i don't know a word of tagalog,
you certainly can't argue that it lacks relevance to philipine culture;
which would ostensibly make it appropriate for a newsgroup entitled
"soc.culture.filipino".
my only comment is that those who post in tagalog are shutting out a
lot of readers who don't understand the language...
James Shelledy, III
Ano?
Johnny Thor
that's me <ron...@tezcat.com> wrote in article
<3339EA...@tezcat.com>...
>
> my only comment is that those who post in tagalog are shutting out a
> lot of readers who don't understand the language...
>
I was the person who initiated the subthread. Your point above is exactly
why I commented that it was rude to post in a language which is spoken by a
minority. Many of the posts are written in the tyrant's language because
they specifically are excluding those who can't read it.
English is THE language because more people can speak, read and write it.
JohnnyThor
fluent in Tagalog but feels English is the way to go
ronald davis
In article <01bc3b06$0d88c140$970a3a9d@jt_nt4>,
Johnny Thor <johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:
>that's me <ron...@tezcat.com> wrote in article
><3339EA...@tezcat.com>...
>>
>> my only comment is that those who post in tagalog are shutting out a
>> lot of readers who don't understand the language...
>>
>
>I was the person who initiated the subthread. Your point above is exactly
>why I commented that it was rude to post in a language which is spoken by a
>minority. Many of the posts are written in the tyrant's language because
>they specifically are excluding those who can't read it.
>
>English is THE language because more people can speak, read and write it.
>
but the point that i made (which you have deleted) is that, given that this
newsgroup is soc.culture.filipino, it is hard to argue that the tagalog
language is *not* relevant to philipine culture. therefore it seems
perfectly within reason for people to post in that language if the choose
to do so. as far as being "rude", i mean, its hard for *me* to argue that
tagalog should not be used in this newsgroup because i don't happen to
understand the language; i'll just say that i won't understand the post if
someone chooses to do so. after all, the counter could always be that those
who don't know tagalog could learn it. not to be rude, but from my
perspective, i don't see any incentive for me to learn the language. if
i were to learn some language for none other than cultural reasons i'd
probably learn some language spoken in west africa, like yoruba, or housa
long before i'd get around to tagalog.
Jose Dela Cruz
In <01bc3b06$0d88c140$970a3a9d@jt_nt4> "Johnny Thor"
<johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> writes:
>
>that's me <ron...@tezcat.com> wrote in article
><3339EA...@tezcat.com>...
>>
>> my only comment is that those who post in tagalog are shutting out a
>> lot of readers who don't understand the language...
>>
>
>I was the person who initiated the subthread. Your point above is
exactly
>why I commented that it was rude to post in a language which is spoken
by a
>minority. Many of the posts are written in the tyrant's language
because
>they specifically are excluding those who can't read it.
>
>English is THE language because more people can speak, read and write
it.
>
>fluent in Tagalog but feels English is the way to go
I prefer posting and reading in Tagalog rather than reading stupid
posting like yours.
Johnny Thor
Jose Dela Cruz <jo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5hhgk1$i...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> I prefer posting and reading in Tagalog rather than reading stupid
> posting like yours.
>
Let me ask you, Mr. All-Knowing Self-Appointed Critic: how do you DEFINE a
stupid post?
JohnnyThor
Johnn...@Hotmail.com
Accused of stupid posts
Jose Dela Cruz
In <01bc3bf2$31e30fe0$940a3a9d@jt_nt4> "Johnny Thor"
STUPID and insulting postings. This is soc.culture.filipino newsgroup
so why tell us that it is rude to post in Tagalog? Why so much hatred
and negative judgements toward the Filipinos and the Philippines?
You always think you are the best, you are just a conceited person
and nothing else.
~*C*~
***************************
well, let's not be so hard on Johnny. What about the people who are
filipino americans who can't understand tagalog but ARE interested in
hearing views from SCF-ers?
caroline
Johnny Thor
Dear Mr. Jose Dweebla Cruz,
Please find my response below:
Jose Dela Cruz <jo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5hjcdg$d...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> At first I thought you were just a kid so I just ignored your
> STUPID and insulting postings. This is soc.culture.filipino newsgroup
> so why tell us that it is rude to post in Tagalog?
You must suffer from retentive reading, may pren. I have on countless
occasions explained why I believe English is the lingua franca of this
newsgroup.
> Why so much hatred
> and negative judgements toward the Filipinos and the Philippines?
Well, I'm not in a habit of licking arse. Whether the issues I am pointing
out are negative or not, is subject to discussion. You, Mr. Newbie, have
not come so far of any counter posts to explain that I am wrong or that my
facts are flawed. Sorry, may pren, but crying in this newsgroup doesn't do
any good.
> You always think you are the best, you are just a conceited person
> and nothing else.
>
Sorry, may pren, you are totally wrong. I am here to seek answers. Listen
here, once you stop crying, you may find some answers yourself.
BTW, I am beginning to understand your definition of "stupid". "Stupid" to
you are ideas which you do not agree with. You sound like the idiot wankers
from the Board of Censors.
JohnnyT
sacla...@dlsu.edu.ph
> I prefer posting and reading in Tagalog rather than reading stupid
> posting like yours.
Galing mo naman! Ewan ko ba kung anong problema mo Johnny.. lahat yata na
tungkol sa Pinas at mga Pilipino eh may reklamo ka. Bakit ba?? Ano ba ang
nangyari sa iyo dito at ganyan ang paningin mo?? If I may say, medyo ang
hangin mo pa!
Johnny Thor
sacla...@dlsu.edu.ph wrote in article <1997Apr1...@dlsu.edu.ph>...
>
> Galing mo naman! Ewan ko ba kung anong problema mo Johnny.. lahat yata
na
> tungkol sa Pinas at mga Pilipino eh may reklamo ka. Bakit ba?? Ano ba
ang
> nangyari sa iyo dito at ganyan ang paningin mo?? If I may say, medyo ang
> hangin mo pa!
>
>
Dear DLSU schoolie,
Let me ask you: how do we address and solve problems if we don't talk about
it? Do you think that problems will go away if we just ignore them and
pretend that they don't exist?
So far, noone has told me that my facts are wrong - so far, folks are just
whining that they don't like my posts. Have you anything better to say?
JohnnyThor
Johnn...@hotmail.com
searching for solutions to problems
Jun B.
On 1 Apr 97 17:41:29 +0800, sacla...@dlsu.edu.ph wrote:
:Galing mo naman! Ewan ko ba kung anong problema mo Johnny.. lahat yata na
:tungkol sa Pinas at mga Pilipino eh may reklamo ka. Bakit ba?? Ano ba ang
:nangyari sa iyo dito at ganyan ang paningin mo?? If I may say, medyo ang
:hangin mo pa!
Aba, kung mahangin, dapat pauwiin mula sa Australia o New Zealand
(kung nasaan man siya), patayuin sa sakayan ng bus sa may Farmer's
Plaza sa Cubao, at hayaang bumuga ng bumuga! Bakasakali, sa lakas ng
hangin, maitaboy niya ang lahat ng polusyon all the way to the Manila
Bay! At least wala nang masyadong usok sa Cubao! ((HA-)^n)HA!
Jun B.
Johnny Thor
Jun B. <ju...@pathcom.com> wrote in article
<3343d7cc...@news.pathcom.com>...
>
> Aba, kung mahangin, dapat pauwiin mula sa Australia o New Zealand
> (kung nasaan man siya), patayuin sa sakayan ng bus sa may Farmer's
> Plaza sa Cubao, at hayaang bumuga ng bumuga! Bakasakali, sa lakas ng
> hangin, maitaboy niya ang lahat ng polusyon all the way to the Manila
> Bay! At least wala nang masyadong usok sa Cubao! ((HA-)^n)HA!
>
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At the very least, Jun, you can't accuse me of NOT
having a sense of humour! More ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
cheerios,
JohnnyT
Johnn...@Hotmail.Com
who appreciates good humour when he sees it
Rhett Valino Pascual
In article <3343d7cc...@news.pathcom.com>,
Jun B. <ju...@pathcom.com> wrote:
>Aba, kung mahangin, dapat pauwiin mula sa Australia o New Zealand
>(kung nasaan man siya), patayuin sa sakayan ng bus sa may Farmer's
>Plaza sa Cubao, at hayaang bumuga ng bumuga! Bakasakali, sa lakas ng
>hangin, maitaboy niya ang lahat ng polusyon all the way to the Manila
>Bay! At least wala nang masyadong usok sa Cubao! ((HA-)^n)HA!
Jun is the first winner of the Rebbie Award. According to the convuluted
rules and regualtions of martial law, and according to the fact that it is
sunny outside, on this the 4th april, Jun B. is commended for a witty and
funny flame.
Now, what is so exceptional about his flame? Well, it's the details that
make all of it work. The farmer's market is a brilliant locale. ONe
could just see the mass of humanity bargaining, selling and buying. One
could almost smell the jeep exhaust as they load and unload passengers.
Heck, i can almost see the women with their bayongs and their kerchiefs
looking over the fisheyes to determine freshness.
Let's reminisce about the good old days shall we? The palengke i used to
go to was the typical yero over the hollow block structures. As you
enter, the first vendors i usually see are the ones who sell dilis. ONe
is supposed to fry the dilis and eat it with rice.
Right at the entrance, the karinderia sells lunch and dinner menus.
Usually, you can get soup or maybe adobo and dinuguan. I remember my yaya
would never let me order food from there. I guess paranoia about
infections and bacteria was in her mind. But there were always enough
customers to keep the karinderia in business.
The next thing to come was the wet market. We would go by the vegetable
racks first. Then came the meat section. TO this day, I still remember
the haggling over the prices and the length of time it would take to buy
food. isang kilo ng baboy for bente pesos. i think that was the price.
The last place we would visit was my least favorite because of the smell.
I now realize that the smell probably came because the fish being sold
were not really the freshest catch of the day. I wonder where all the
waste went. It probably is still boiling away underneath the palegke. The
quagmire will some day be exposed to some radioactive chemicals and from
that sludge, some creature will come out to swallow the palengke.
Anyways, that is my palengke.
REtong. Where is sir di boss? Ang haba naman ng kanyang spring break.
Baka bumagsak siya at nag-drop out na? Sayang naman. Na-mimiss ko na
yung aking punching bag.
--
Jun B.
On 4 Apr 1997 16:14:21 GMT, gldn...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Rhett Valino
Pascual) wrote:
:In article <3343d7cc...@news.pathcom.com>,
:Jun B. <ju...@pathcom.com> wrote:
:>Aba, kung mahangin, dapat pauwiin mula sa Australia o New Zealand
:>(kung nasaan man siya), patayuin sa sakayan ng bus sa may Farmer's
:>Plaza sa Cubao, at hayaang bumuga ng bumuga! Bakasakali, sa lakas ng
:>hangin, maitaboy niya ang lahat ng polusyon all the way to the Manila
:>Bay! At least wala nang masyadong usok sa Cubao! ((HA-)^n)HA!
:>Jun B.
:
:
:Jun is the first winner of the Rebbie Award. According to the convuluted
:rules and regualtions of martial law, and according to the fact that it is
:sunny outside, on this the 4th april, Jun B. is commended for a witty and
:funny flame.
:
Ohmigosh! I Won! I can't believe it....(walks to the podium) I
would like to thank the Academy and all who voted for me, my parents,
my loving wife, my manager, my trainer, Tom Cruise, I love you
man...(music starts) THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I LOVE YOU ALL! TOM! I
LOVE YOU MAN! THANK YOU! THANK YOU ALL (stop dragging me from the
mike! HELP!...Okay, Okay. I'm going. But...) THANKS TO YOU ALL!
TOM CRUISE! I LOVE YOU MAN!
JuBa Gooding Jr.
PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG
: Johnny Thor <johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:
: >English is THE language because more people can speak, read and write it.
Why English? Why not Spanish or Chinese? Consider, it's actually rude to
post in English since, I do believe that, it's either Spanish or Chinese
that's spoken by most people of the world and not English. We are being
rude to people who only speak Spanish or Chinese who peruse SCF. :)
Ridiculous analogy, but see, your assertion of rudeness is moot and
ridiculous, as well, since there is no "official" language on usenet, or
specifically, on SCF. People post in any language or form they choose.
If they want to reach a specific audience, then they post in a specific
language or a specific form. To berate anyone for doing so is kinda
"rude". :)
Johnny Thor
PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG <ila...@nevada.edu> wrote in article
<5ija5m$j...@news.nevada.edu>...
> : Johnny Thor <johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:
> : >English is THE language because more people can speak, read and write
it.
>
> Why English? Why not Spanish or Chinese? Consider, it's actually rude
to
> post in English since, I do believe that, it's either Spanish or Chinese
> that's spoken by most people of the world and not English.
This is scf and not the world. The majority of readers comprehend English,
not Spanish or Chinese. BTW, you have to realise that there are dozens at
the least of Chinese languages.
Johnny T
pro-English, pro-Phil. progress
PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG
Johnny Thor (johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com) wrote:
: > : >English is THE language because more people can speak, read and write
: > post in English since, I do believe that, it's either Spanish or Chinese
:
: This is scf and not the world. The majority of readers comprehend English,
: not Spanish or Chinese.
And you know this because...
Simon Foley
Johnny Thor wrote:
>
> This is scf and not the world. The majority of readers comprehend English,
> not Spanish or Chinese. BTW, you have to realise that there are dozens at
> the least of Chinese languages.
>
> Johnny T
> pro-English, pro-Phil. progress
But written Chinese is the same, it is only the spoken dialects that
vary as far as I am aware.
regards, Simon
Timothy Joseph Harvey
Rude to post in Tagalog, Cebuano and so on? HARDLY!
This has been a sporatic topic since day one of this group. The general
concensus has been that. . . if you want your post understood by the
widest audience possible, including English-only speaking Fil-Ams, then
English is the best choice.
On the other hand, no should EVER be discouraged from posting in the
language of their choice, particularly Filipino languages. . . since this
group was created FOR Filipinos.
In short, it's NOT rude to post in a Filipino language or mix, just a
courtesy. The bottom line is, use the language you can best express
yourself with. Frankly, English doesn't always cut it.
Regardless of where you fall on this debate, it will go on as long as
there's a SCF.
Tim
bbp...@hotmail.com
In article <5j468r$qut$1...@nadine.teleport.com>,
Kumusta na ba Tim. Sa mga nagbabasa nito na Pilipino at naiintindihan
ang nababasa ninyo pero ayaw mag-post sa Tagalog ay isang hipokrita sa
mga kapwa Pilipino at higit sa lahat sa sarili. Sa inyong lahat;
napanganak kayong Pilipino at mamamatay din kayong Pilipino. Oh, bakit
ninyo pa binabasa ito? Naiintindihan ninyo naman pala eh, pa
inglish-inglish pa kayo. Nakarating lang kayo ng Amerika at nakakain ng
hot-dog at hamburger eh akala ninyo amerikano na kayo! Ay, nakalimutan
kong mag-saing ng kanin! Puede ninyo akong sulatan sa e-mail address ko.
bbp...@hotmail.com. Sige na lang mga kababayan at sa mga nalilitong
Pilipino/amerikano diyan sa tabi tabi. Ba-bye.
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BOMBOY YAKAL
> Kumusta na ba Tim. Sa mga nagbabasa nito na Pilipino at naiintindihan
> ang nababasa ninyo pero ayaw mag-post sa Tagalog ay isang hipokrita sa
> mga kapwa Pilipino at higit sa lahat sa sarili. Sa inyong lahat;
> napanganak kayong Pilipino at mamamatay din kayong Pilipino. Oh, bakit
> ninyo pa binabasa ito? Naiintindihan ninyo naman pala eh, pa
> inglish-inglish pa kayo. Nakarating lang kayo ng Amerika at nakakain ng
> hot-dog at hamburger eh akala ninyo amerikano na kayo! Ay, nakalimutan
> kong mag-saing ng kanin! Puede ninyo akong sulatan sa e-mail address ko.
> bbp...@hotmail.com. Sige na lang mga kababayan at sa mga nalilitong
> Pilipino/amerikano diyan sa tabi tabi. Ba-bye.
>
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Mayroon po tayong mga kababayan na hindi marunong lumingon sa kanilang
pinang-galingan. Puro balatkayo ang nangyayari sa kanilang buhay.
Naka-apak lang sa istets nag-bago na ang lahat. Hoy! kahit anong gawin
ninyo Pilipino pa rin kayo.
Johnny Thor
bbp...@hotmail.com wrote in article <8612996...@dejanews.com>...
>
> Sa mga nagbabasa nito na Pilipino at naiintindihan
> ang nababasa ninyo pero ayaw mag-post sa Tagalog ay isang hipokrita sa
> mga kapwa Pilipino at higit sa lahat sa sarili.
Sure I can understand what you've posted because I was born, raised and
educated in Manila. But it may be a tad presumptuous and regionalist of you
to assume that every Filipino is fluent on Tagalog. What about those born,
raised and educated in Cebu? In Butuan? In Jolo? Don't assume that they are
fluent in Tagalog because those areas have a language of their own.
This is a major problem in the Philippines as highlighted by your attitude.
Too many Filipinos are Manila-centric. They think that because Manila is
the centre of the universe that they should impose the language and culture
of that region on the rest of the country. Well, I've got news for you,
ladies and gentlemen of this newsgroup: Filipinos are diverse in their
languages and culture. To impose Manila's language and culture to the rest
of the country is very much like cultural genocide.
IMO, this is one of the major concerns amongst Mindanao folk. They feel
that their resources are siphoned to Manila and they don't get enough back.
That is why there was once upon a time a move to secede Mindanao from
Manila rule. Mr. John Shinn, can you backup me on this, please?
> Sa inyong lahat;
> napanganak kayong Pilipino at mamamatay din kayong Pilipino. Oh, bakit
> ninyo pa binabasa ito? Naiintindihan ninyo naman pala eh, pa
> inglish-inglish pa kayo. Nakarating lang kayo ng Amerika at nakakain ng
> hot-dog at hamburger eh akala ninyo amerikano na kayo!
Again do not assume that every Filipino is fluent in Tagalog. Tagalog is
strictly spoken in Manila and the so-called Tagalog region. The next time
you step out of that God-forsaken shithouse called Manila and you speak to
a Filipino from another region, please do not belittle or deride him/her
for not being fluent in Tagalog. Instead express yourself in his/her native
language and you will get through. If you can't speak his/her native
tongue, the very least you can do is to express yourself in English, the
unofficial national language of Filipinos, and there's a good chance you
can get through as well.
At the end of the day, non-fluent Tagalog-speaking Filipinos are not
necessarily hypocrites.
regards,
Johnny Thor
Johnn...@Hotmail.com
pro-Filipino, pro-diversity
Tikbalang
bgdo...@aol.com (Bgdomingo)
Date: 18 Apr 1997 19:18:36 GMT
Message-ID: <19970418191...@ladder01.news.aol.com>wrote:
>Alam namin na karamihan ng mga Pinoy na nandito sa America o kaya sa
>ibang
>bansa ay Pilipino pa rin and itsura, at kulay. But you can always change
>the mentality, attitude and belief. To be honest, Filipino mentality is a
>backward mentality, (being envy, jealousy, bragging, no unity), and that
>is one step forward to success.
Sa Filipino kasi, ang nauuna ay kayabangan kaya tingnan mo halos lahat sa
atin ay walang pagkakaisa.
*kama...@pacbell.net
In article <01bc4938$d661a150$68093a9d@jt_nt4>, "Johnny Thor"
<johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:
>
> This is scf and not the world. The majority of readers comprehend English,
Miss dual personality, you are contradicting yourself AGAIN. Do you have a
RESET button in your head or was it fused when you went to HELL?
When anybody posts in a language other then English and you cant understand
it, it is obviously not meant for you. Bobo, tanga.
Go back to the meaning of SCF, soc.culture.filipino and then THINK about
YOUR URININATING (originating) the statement ITS RUDE TO POST IN TAGALOG.
Get some PRIVATE tutoring, for the sake of those around you.
[cut]
>
> Johnny T
> pro-English
If dogs can understand more than one language, what does that make you?
>, pro-Phil. progress
whooooomppppaccckkk, I hope it STICKS this time.
ROTFL.
Jeremy Shelledy
John, MALI NG GRAMMER MO!!!!!
*************************************************
Jeremy A. Shelledy
Northwestern Mutual Life
Special Agent
*************************************************
Timothy Joseph Harvey
My gosh, you make excellent points, but this is also a case of mistaken
identity. I'm Kano to the bone, and Filipino only by marriage and
Baptism (my God Parents are Filipino). Never-the-less, I agree with you.
It is odd to see people forsake their own language, especially in an
informal setting like this (SCF) that was specifically set up for
Filipinos. Again, if I can go back in the history of this group, the
strongest case for posting in English is to ensure that Fil-Ams, who have
been cut off from their culture and language, can be included.
As for the "friendly" Kanos, it would hardly hurt us to make the effort to
learn a little of the language (Tagalog, Cebuano, etc.) if we want to
understand the non-English posts. Since many are drop in/lurker wife
hunters, pedophiles scam artists, Amway hustlers, and sex tourists,
more non-English posts would effectively shut out this basically lazy,
exploitive group. . . who hardly belong here in the first place.
Tim
bbp...@hotmail.com wrote:
: Kumusta na ba Tim. Sa mga nagbabasa nito na Pilipino at naiintindihan
: ang nababasa ninyo pero ayaw mag-post sa Tagalog ay isang hipokrita sa
: mga kapwa Pilipino at higit sa lahat sa sarili. Sa inyong lahat;
: napanganak kayong Pilipino at mamamatay din kayong Pilipino. Oh, bakit
: ninyo pa binabasa ito? Naiintindihan ninyo naman pala eh, pa
: inglish-inglish pa kayo. Nakarating lang kayo ng Amerika at nakakain ng
: hot-dog at hamburger eh akala ninyo amerikano na kayo! Ay, nakalimutan
: kong mag-saing ng kanin! Puede ninyo akong sulatan sa e-mail address ko.
: bbp...@hotmail.com. Sige na lang mga kababayan at sa mga nalilitong
: Pilipino/amerikano diyan sa tabi tabi. Ba-bye.
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: http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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Johnny Thor
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote in article
<*kamagong*-19049708...@ppp-206-170-30-44.hywr01.pacbell.net>...
>
> Go back to the meaning of SCF, soc.culture.filipino and then THINK about
> YOUR URININATING (originating) the statement ITS RUDE TO POST IN TAGALOG.
>
> Get some PRIVATE tutoring, for the sake of those around you.
>
Sorry, boss, but you're wrong. I'm fluent in Tagalog. But I don't post in
Tagalog 'cause it's rude to those who don't speak it. All right?
BTW, the scf faq agrees with me that the official language of this
newsgroup is English. I agree with the proponents of this newsgroup and I
can say they were smart. Check it out yourself.
You are not alone in the self-denial that English is not part of the
Filipino culture. But we should wake and move on.
regards,
JohnnyT
fluent in Tagalog but prefers English because everybody can dig English
Timothy Joseph Harvey
It's good to see this discussion move in this direction. . respect for
Filipinos to express themselves in what ever language they wish.
Your last comment brings to mind a question. Don't you find that there
are some things that are not expressed as well in English. . . that they
have to be expressed in Filipino (Tagalog, Cebuano and so on) to carry the
full meaning and feeling?
I've found that language is an important part of one's culture, and to
leave the language of your birth behind is to leave a large part of your
culture behind. Fil-Ams who have not been raised with their parent's
language often report with some regreat that this cuts them off from being
a part of their heritage.
Tim
FYI, I post my contribution to this discussion, not because I'm being
arrogant about English, but because I can only read Tagalog and I'm not
good enough to write/speak it with confidence (Cebuano is a different
matter).
ARIEL F. GENERAL <gen...@surfer.scs.unr.edu> wrote:
: On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 bbp...@hotmail.com wrote:
: > Sa mga nagbabasa nito na Pilipino at naiintindihan
: > ang nababasa ninyo pero ayaw mag-post sa Tagalog ay isang hipokrita sa
: > mga kapwa Pilipino at higit sa lahat sa sarili.
: Mawalang galang na po, wikang Ingles ang ginagamit ng mga nakararami sa
: pangkat ng SCF sapagkat sa kasawiang-palad, ilan sa mga nakikibahagi sa
: usapan dito ay hindi na nakauunawa ng Tagalog. Gayon pa man, tunay na
: nakagagalak na kahit minsa'y mayroon pa ring tumatalakay sa mga usapin sa
: wikang Tagalog.
: > napanganak kayong Pilipino at mamamatay din kayong Pilipino. Oh, bakit
: > ninyo pa binabasa ito? Naiintindihan ninyo naman pala eh, pa
: > inglish-inglish pa kayo. Nakarating lang kayo ng Amerika at nakakain ng
: > hot-dog at hamburger eh akala ninyo amerikano na kayo!
: Ito ang paniniwala ng mga nakararami nating kapatid sa Inang Bayan. Ang
: katotohanan nga'y mas nadarama ng mga Pilipino ang alab ng kanilang
: pag-ibig sa bayan sa ibayong dagat.
bbp...@hotmail.com
In article <5jb678$ke4$1...@newsd-102.bryant.webtv.net>,
Jerry, hindi GRAMMER, GRAMMAR. Ano ang comment mo sa aking post?
Bernaleene Agpalza
In article <5je0b0$isp$4...@nadine.teleport.com>, r...@teleport.com says...
>}}Tama! Sinong maysabing di pwedeng gumamit ng tagalog sa Internet?
}}Hangga't may mga Pilipinong nagtatagalog e dapat ipagpatuloy natin
}}ang
}}paggamit sa ating sariling wika. Sa gayon, kailanmay di mawawala ang
}}ating katutubong wika.MABUHAY!!!!
>
>
bbp...@hotmail.com
In article <5je0b0$isp$4...@nadine.teleport.com>,
> Filipinos to express themselves in what ever language they wish.
THANK YOU.
> Your last comment brings to mind a question. Don't you find that there
> are some things that are not expressed as well in English. . . that they
> have to be expressed in Filipino (Tagalog, Cebuano and so on) to carry the
> full meaning and feeling?
ABSOLUTELY. AND THOSE WHO DISAGREE ARE FAKERS AND A DISGRACE TO THE
RACE AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
> I've found that language is an important part of one's culture, and to
> leave the language of your birth behind is to leave a large part of your
> culture behind. Fil-Ams who have not been raised with their parent's
> language often report with some regreat that this cuts them off from being
> a part of their heritage.
THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST CAUSES OF MANY FILIPINOS HAVING IDENTITY
CRISIS TODAY. THEY CAN'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE AND THE ONES THAT DO DENY
THAT THEY CAN. THESE PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR EVERYDAY AND SEE
THAT WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IS SOMEONE BROWN WITH A FLAT NOSE AND CAN
NEVER BE ACCEPTED 100% AS TRUE AMERICANS IN AMERICAN SOCIETY. FOR THE
ONES WHO ARE CONVINCED THAT THIS ISN'T TRUE ARE ONLY KIDDING THEMSELVES
AND BETTER CHECK THEMSELVES.
> FYI, I post my contribution to this discussion, not because I'm being
> arrogant about English, but because I can only read Tagalog and I'm not
> good enough to write/speak it with confidence (Cebuano is a different
> matter).
> ARIEL F. GENERAL <gen...@surfer.scs.unr.edu> wrote:
> : On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 bbp...@hotmail.com wrote:
YOU LYING SOB! HOW CAN YOU BE ABLE TO READ MY COMMENTS AND NOT BE ABLE
TO WRITE A RESPONSE IN YOUR OWN DIALECT. I NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A CASE.
YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST TRIED TO B.S. ME IN YOUR OWN DIALECT. YOU'RE A
CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE IN DENIAL OF KNOWING THE LANGUAGE. YOU STINK
DUDE!
> : > Sa mga nagbabasa nito na Pilipino at naiintindihan
> : > ang nababasa ninyo pero ayaw mag-post sa Tagalog ay isang hipokrita sa
> : > mga kapwa Pilipino at higit sa lahat sa sarili.
>
> : Mawalang galang na po, wikang Ingles ang ginagamit ng mga nakararami sa
> : pangkat ng SCF sapagkat sa kasawiang-palad, ilan sa mga nakikibahagi sa
> : usapan dito ay hindi na nakauunawa ng Tagalog. Gayon pa man, tunay na
> : nakagagalak na kahit minsa'y mayroon pa ring tumatalakay sa mga usapin sa
> : wikang Tagalog.
>
> : > napanganak kayong Pilipino at mamamatay din kayong Pilipino. Oh, bakit
> : > ninyo pa binabasa ito? Naiintindihan ninyo naman pala eh, pa
> : > inglish-inglish pa kayo. Nakarating lang kayo ng Amerika at nakakain ng
> : > hot-dog at hamburger eh akala ninyo amerikano na kayo!
>
> : Ito ang paniniwala ng mga nakararami nating kapatid sa Inang Bayan. Ang
> : katotohanan nga'y mas nadarama ng mga Pilipino ang alab ng kanilang
> : pag-ibig sa bayan sa ibayong dagat.
>
> --
> Tim Harvey rightWrite, Incorporated r...@teleport.COM (503) 977-3627
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
Ellecer Valencia
Timothy Joseph Harvey wrote:
> Your last comment brings to mind a question. Don't you find that there
> are some things that are not expressed as well in English. . . that they
> have to be expressed in Filipino (Tagalog, Cebuano and so on) to carry the
> full meaning and feeling?
hmmm.. interesting, that a non-filipino has to point this out to the
previous
poster... ;) (oops.. correct me if i'm wrong about the nationality, Tim)
> I've found that language is an important part of one's culture, and to
> leave the language of your birth behind is to leave a large part of your
> culture behind. Fil-Ams who have not been raised with their parent's
> language often report with some regreat that this cuts them off from being
> a part of their heritage.
well said! it's actually quite strange that we filipinos seem to have
this
habit of bickering over what language we use among ourselves... chinese
and
japanese don't... other asian groups tend to just carry on and converse
without this "boo-hoo! but they won't be able to understand us!"
bullshit
angst...
i think the main question should always be: "who do you want to talk
to?" if
you only want to direct your post to ppl who can speak tagalog, why
would
u have to write it in english. bakit, ano ba talaga ang intensyon mo sa
pag=post? magpakitang-gilas sa harap ng mga puti? do you really think
there'd
be other nationalities out there going, "hmmm... these filipinos are
actually
very sophisticated when it comes to their arguments! i am in awe!"
hehehhe...
and whatever they have written in the FAQ, it's not like it's carved in
stone,
y'know. shouldn't it be the *users* of the newsgroup who determine how
it'd
best serve their needs?
boyong
*kama...@pacbell.net
In article <01bc4d51$c1344810$0f0c3a9d@jt_nt4>, "Johnny Thor"
<johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:
> *kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote in article
>
> >
> > Go back to the meaning of SCF, soc.culture.filipino and then THINK about
> > YOUR URININATING (originating) the statement ITS RUDE TO POST IN TAGALOG.
> >
> > Get some PRIVATE tutoring, for the sake of those around you.
> >
>
> Sorry, boss, but you're wrong. I'm fluent in Tagalog. But I don't post in
E, di para sa iyo nga LAHAT ng mga nasabi ko :o) LOL
Iba yung tinutukoy ko noong sinabi ko na kailangan mo ng private
*tutoring*, kailangan iyong specialist. MD in psychiatry.
> Tagalog 'cause it's rude to those who don't speak it. All right?
When a *foreigner* visits a foreign country, doesnt he or she *expect*
to hear or read languages that are native to the country?....helloooowww...
Isn*t that expected to be part of visiting a foreign newsgroup??
Why would *anybody* visit any place knowing they will get offended by *rude*
posts.
Did you suddenly become a spokes *something*
for non-Filipino speaking guests of this NG. Was there an appointment that
nobody here knows about? Do tell us about it.
YOU WOULD RATHER INSULT the native speaking Filipinos than ASSuming it offends
guests that should be trying to learn about the culture?
What is wrong with you????
Did you get kicked out of your own home?? Let me guess,
you got it in the head,..... I see....
Im not telling you what to do but it seems to me that it is those that
continually post: want a Filipina Babe that are rude. You should
*discourage* those posters and not the ones whom this NG
belongs to. How can this NG exist without native speakers?
Where would *filipino* fit in??
>
> BTW, the scf faq agrees with me that the official language of this
> newsgroup is English. I agree with the proponents of this newsgroup and I
> can say they were smart. Check it out yourself.
I never doubted it but the issue IS STILL the fact that you did urinate
the statement: IT IS RUDE TO POST IN TAGALOG.
This is a virtual home for Filipinos (and friends), thats why its SCFilipino.
IT IS SHAMEFUL FOR YOU (BTW, U R still pinoy??) to say that its RUDE to do
anything thats culturally Filipino in a Filipino *home*
>
> You are not alone in the self-denial that English is not part of the
> Filipino culture. But we should wake and move on.
Dont change the subject[issue].
If you are looking for a way OUT, for me, an apology to the Filipinos out
here in this NG will do. We are all human and make MISTAKES.
Its the MANLY thing to do.
>
> regards,
>
> JohnnyT
> fluent in Tagalog but prefers English because everybody can dig English
There are other NG that dig English 100% why not try them out?
para hindi ka na mahirapan at makonsyensya.
Or you can try visiting France and try telling the French that.
Im sure you find plenty of audience that you can Philosophize to.
If you are successful, let us know. We'll give you a medal.
Paul Kekai Manansala
In article <335D4A...@tezcat.com>,
"ronald h. davis" <ron...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>>
>> When a *foreigner* visits a foreign country, doesnt he or she *expect*
>> to hear or read languages that are native to the country?....helloooowww...
>>
>> Isn*t that expected to be part of visiting a foreign newsgroup??
>> Why would *anybody* visit any place knowing they will get offended by *rude*
>> posts.
>>
>> Did you suddenly become a spokes *something*
>> for non-Filipino speaking guests of this NG. Was there an appointment that
>> nobody here knows about? Do tell us about it.
>>
>> YOU WOULD RATHER INSULT the native speaking Filipinos than ASSuming it offends
>> guests that should be trying to learn about the culture?
>> What is wrong with you????
>>
>
>let me tell you something bud, *i* live in the good ol' U.S. of A., and
>i demand nothing less than total conformance to what's convenient to *our*
>way of doing things - and in this country, we speak ENGLISH ONLY and expect
>you, and everyone else to do the same! what do you think we're going to
>do, learn every language in the world?!
>
>
What the hell are you talking about?! This is the Internet. This NG
is not geographically located anywhere. People from anywhere in the
world can post or read messages from here as long as they have access.
Paul Kekai Manansala
Jeremy Shelledy
John, It was supposed to be a joke Grammer...get it!!! I mispelled in
ENGLISH and TAGALOG ON PURPOSE...DAH!
ronald h. davis
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> When a *foreigner* visits a foreign country, doesnt he or she *expect*
> to hear or read languages that are native to the country?....helloooowww...
>
> Isn*t that expected to be part of visiting a foreign newsgroup??
> Why would *anybody* visit any place knowing they will get offended by *rude*
> posts.
>
> Did you suddenly become a spokes *something*
> for non-Filipino speaking guests of this NG. Was there an appointment that
> nobody here knows about? Do tell us about it.
>
> YOU WOULD RATHER INSULT the native speaking Filipinos than ASSuming it offends
> guests that should be trying to learn about the culture?
> What is wrong with you????
>
let me tell you something bud, *i* live in the good ol' U.S. of A., and
i demand nothing less than total conformance to what's convenient to *our*
way of doing things - and in this country, we speak ENGLISH ONLY and expect
you, and everyone else to do the same! what do you think we're going to
do, learn every language in the world?!
now, what's so insulting about that??? :-)
ronald!davis
good ol' U.S. of A. representin'
ronald h. davis
ronald h. davis wrote:
>
> now, what's so insulting about that??? :-)
>
for those of you are humor-impaired, let me point out that i put a
smilie :-) at the end of my post to indicate that i was being
sarcastic in my comments...
Current Occupant
"ronald h. davis" <ron...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>>
>> YOU WOULD RATHER INSULT the native speaking Filipinos than ASSuming it offends
>> guests that should be trying to learn about the culture?
>> What is wrong with you????
>>
>
>let me tell you something bud, *i* live in the good ol' U.S. of A., and
>i demand nothing less than total conformance to what's convenient to *our*
>way of doing things - and in this country, we speak ENGLISH ONLY and expect
>you, and everyone else to do the same! what do you think we're going to
>do, learn every language in the world?!
Point of order. He _was_ talking about posting in s.c.f. Or do you
mean to say that the USA has jurisdiction over all of usenet's domain,
which is *worldwide*?
Tchiowa
A: it's not rude to post in Tagalog. However, by doing so you will limit
responses and thus reduce the communication of the group.
b: does anyone know what the "official" language was (or is) of the news
group when it was established. I expect it was English.
Bottom line, it's not at all rude and people who want to post in Tagalog
should feel free. But, it's not an effective form of communication in
this group. Maybe it should be, but it's not.
Tony Castillo
In article <01bc4f83$71d16670$68093a9d@jt_nt4>,
Johnn...@Antispam.Hotmail.com says...
>
>*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote in article
><*kamagong*-22049714...@ppp-206-170-30-45.hywr01.pacbell.net>...
>> In article <01bc4d51$c1344810$0f0c3a9d@jt_nt4>, "Johnny Thor"
>> <johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Tagalog 'cause it's rude to those who don't speak it. All right?
>>
>> to hear or read languages that are native to the
>country?....helloooowww...
>>
>educated in Manila and nearby areas are fluent in Tagalog.
A lot of people that I know who didn't grew up in Manila are fluent in
Tagalog. Isn't tagalog or now Filipino, being teach from primary up to
the University... If they are fluent in english and grew up in the
Philippines, then they are educated and if they are educated, then they
can be able to understand tagalog.
>I see that the only place which you've really lived in in the Philippines
>is that God-forsaken shithouse excuse of a city called Manila. Have you
>been anywhere else in the islands? I have. That is why I realised that
>Manila-centric views are bigotted, prejudice and ignorant.
I've been myself and did able to communicate to most people in the
Philippine national language... Mind you, my brother was a national
salesman of colgate palmolive before and travel to most of the Philippines
and when I asked him, if people from different provinces can communicate
with him in tagalog or filipino, he said yes...
>> I never doubted it but the issue IS STILL the fact that you did urinate
>> the statement: IT IS RUDE TO POST IN TAGALOG.
>> This is a virtual home for Filipinos (and friends), thats why its
>SCFilipino.
>> IT IS SHAMEFUL FOR YOU (BTW, U R still pinoy??) to say that its RUDE to
>do
>> anything thats culturally Filipino in a Filipino *home*
>>
>
>Read my lips and kiss my arse, This is SOC.CULTURE.FILIPINO and not
>SOC.CULTURE.TAGALOG. When you post in this newsgroup you should always
>speak the language of the majority. And the majority dig English, not
>Manila-centric Tagalog.
>
That's new to me. When Aimee Ma~nosa (where are you?), proposed this
newsgroup, she didn't say the above.
>>
>> Dont change the subject[issue].
>> If you are looking for a way OUT, for me, an apology to the Filipinos
>out
>> here in this NG will do. We are all human and make MISTAKES.
>> Its the MANLY thing to do.
>>
>
>Yep, by sticking to your Manila-centric views you are clearly wrong and you
>owe me an apology. Come here and kiss my arse and lick my feet while I bend
>over, all right?
>
>>
>> Or you can try visiting France and try telling the French that.
>> Im sure you find plenty of audience that you can Philosophize to.
>> If you are successful, let us know. We'll give you a medal.
>>
>
>Many of the French are bunch of tight-arsed losers. They are so concerned
>with losing their culture. They're like candles in the wind. I've got news
>for the tight-arsed French: adapt to the new order or wither and die!!!!!
>
>Johnny
>this is soc.culture.filipino and NOT soc.culture.tagalog
I believe that only thing we can do is ask the Filipino people that didn't
grew up in Manila if they don't know how to speak Filipino or tagalog. Just
see how many Ilocano's, capampangan, batanguen~o, zambal, panggalatok,
cebuano's, waray, bicolano's and any other person who have different
dialect/language who don't know how to speak, read or write tagalog...
regards,
tony
*kama...@pacbell.net
In article <335D4A...@tezcat.com>, "ronald h. davis"
> good ol' U.S. of A. representin'
< >
You have been answered, no need to repeat.
Welcome to soc.culture.filipino
Simon Foley
Johnny Thor wrote:
>
>
> I'm not talking about foreigners or would-be paedophiles here. I'm talking
> about your Manila-centric views. Not all Filipinos are fluent in Tagalog.
> Tagalog is only spoken in Manila and nearby areas. Tagalog was never, is
> never and will never be the universal language of the Philippines. OTOH, a
> great majority of Filipinos are fluent in English.
>
Unfortunately I have been many places in Philippines where people could
only understand basic English but were fluent in their local dialect and
Tagalog (Filipino).
>
> Again you show your Manila-centric views. Only Filipinos born, raised or
> educated in Manila and nearby areas are fluent in Tagalog.
>
Tagalog is a compulsory subject studied throughout the Philippines.
>
> I see that the only place which you've really lived in in the Philippines
> is that God-forsaken shithouse excuse of a city called Manila. Have you
> been anywhere else in the islands? I have. That is why I realised that
> Manila-centric views are bigotted, prejudice and ignorant.
>
Where have you been in Philippines where the people don't understand the
national language ?
regards, Simon.
PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG
bbp...@hotmail.com wrote:
: Kumusta na ba Tim. Sa mga nagbabasa nito na Pilipino at naiintindihan
: ang nababasa ninyo pero ayaw mag-post sa Tagalog ay isang hipokrita sa
: napanganak kayong Pilipino at mamamatay din kayong Pilipino. Oh, bakit
: ninyo pa binabasa ito? Naiintindihan ninyo naman pala eh, pa
: inglish-inglish pa kayo. Nakarating lang kayo ng Amerika at nakakain ng
: hot-dog at hamburger eh akala ninyo amerikano na kayo!
OH PUH-LEASE!
It's hypocritical not to post in Tagalog.
It's rude not to post in English.
What makes you any better than Johnny Thor? Just as English is NOT THE
language here, neither is Tagalog. Read my first post. People post in
any language or form they choose. If they want to reach a specific
audience, then they post in a specific language or a specific form. I
reiterate _choice_. I post in any language and in any form I choose to
post in. Not what you, Johnny Thor or anyone else chooses for me. Given,
Usenet is not a democracy, but I am so pissed off an ANY form of censure.
Johnny appealing to my sense of courtesy and you, to my patriotism (or
were you shaming me into posting in Tagalog), tell me, what else will be
used to dog me into compliance to any of your "rules" - a gun?
That's what you get for eating hotdogs and hamburgers, you suddenly
realize you have rights.
Posting in English, out of spite
PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
: In article <01bc4938$d661a150$68093a9d@jt_nt4>, "Johnny Thor"
: > This is scf and not the world. The majority of readers comprehend English,
: Miss dual personality, you are contradicting yourself AGAIN.
And, you sir, are an idiot. Read my post and this time read it slowly.
Now, tell me, the contradicting statement above you claim I made, tell me
who wrote it?
: When anybody posts in a language other then English and you cant understand
: it, it is obviously not meant for you. Bobo, tanga.
My point exactly. AGAIN, READ MY ORIGINAL POST. Stupid idiotic moron.
Oh yeah, since you are stupid idiotic moron, you probably don't know
how to retrieve old posts. My original post in response to Johnny Thor's
"English is THE language because more people can speak, read and write it"
goes like this:
Your assertion of rudeness is moot and ridiculous since there is
no "official" language on usenet, or specifically, on scf. People
post in any language or form they choose. If they want to reach a
specific audience, then they post in a specific language or a
specific form.
: Get some PRIVATE tutoring, for the sake of those around you.
Get some yourself. You've just made a total ass of yourself. Your
inability to comprehend an on-going discussion is showing.
Current Occupant
ila...@nevada.edu (PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG) wrote:
>*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>: In article <01bc4938$d661a150$68093a9d@jt_nt4>, "Johnny Thor"
>: > This is scf and not the world. The majority of readers comprehend English,
>: Miss dual personality, you are contradicting yourself AGAIN.
>
>And, you sir, are an idiot. Read my post and this time read it slowly.
>Now, tell me, the contradicting statement above you claim I made, tell me
>who wrote it?
Re-read what you wrote above. Notice that *kamagong*@pacbell.net
responded to "Johnny Thor" <johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com>, "and
this time read it slowly". Nowhere does it mention your name nor your
handle. You must have a siege mentality to assume that all flames are
directed to you. Either that or you are johnnythor in disguise.
>: When anybody posts in a language other then English and you cant understand
>: it, it is obviously not meant for you. Bobo, tanga.
Hmm, I wonder who really is (your words) "Bobo, tanga". Is it too much
to invest a little time reading your own composition before hitting
the "Send" button? Instead of exercising your meager collection of
four-letter words?
DE CASTRO
i don't think anyone has the right to demand conformance from someone else
just to make things more convenient for him. We may request and politely
ask people. but to demand something from them merely to make things more
convenient for you is just blatantly egotistical and selfish. you could
have simply asked people to post in english for the sake of those who do
not understand filipino. but the way you phrased your posting was way out
of line, in my opinion.
nobody has the right to make others do what he wants simply to make things
more convenient for him. it's not anyone's right whether you're a
citizen of the US of A or some god-forsaken island in the bermudas!!
On 25 Apr 1997, David J. Baltazar wrote:
> : In article <335D4A...@tezcat.com>,
> : "ronald h. davis" <ron...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>
> : >let me tell you something bud, *i* live in the good ol' U.S. of A., and
> : >i demand nothing less than total conformance to what's convenient to *our*
> : >way of doing things - and in this country, we speak ENGLISH ONLY and expect
> : >you, and everyone else to do the same! what do you think we're going to
> : >do, learn every language in the world?!
> : >
>
> uhh, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Internet a global
> thing?
>
>
*kama...@pacbell.net
In article <5jrtb3$p...@news.nevada.edu>, ila...@nevada.edu (PATROCINIA D
ILANGILANG) wrote:
[nonsensical butting in deleted]
SCF: this is off the topic but a serious miscommunication is occurring.
Miss ILANGILANG, with all due respects. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I have already sent you a private e-mail on this that you need to respond
by Monday 4/28.
I shall assume the following to be true, others here can draw their own
conclusions:
Your post is considered an extreme form of USENET abuse.
Misquoting and massaging posts to FIT your agenda.
You have an ego that needs feeding, hindi ka kasama sa usapan, sumasabat
ka pa.
If you want to CLAIM victory over Johnny, that's fine with me.
And there is a possibility of
You have three personalities:
Johnny Thor
Eric Card*nas
Patrocinia Ilangilang
Any more that WE dont know about??
Didn't I mention: no backstabbing???....alright??
no illegal use of e-mail addresses....alright???
My advise is GET some help. Dont fight with YOURSELF.
Accept what you are, one personality...
Australia must have some *services,* maybe Christmas islands???
You ARE creating an atmosphere of MISTRUST among SCF'rs.
Not to mention the side effects to young participants here.
...and if its not true forget it, no offense meant, it does not bother me.
...just brush up on how to READ post responses.....
otherwise.....there is nothing to gain here by subjecting SCF to a
psychiatric problem that is best helped by professionals.....
Now Johnny aka Eric, if its not true, this post is not for you, okay?
If you must respond...create another thread...either of you.
Rhett Valino Pascual
In article <5jrqo3$r...@news.nevada.edu>,
PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG <ila...@nevada.edu> wrote:
> I
>reiterate _choice_. I post in any language and in any form I choose to
>post in. Not what you, Johnny Thor or anyone else chooses for me. Given,
>Usenet is not a democracy, but I am so pissed off an ANY form of censure.
>
>realize you have rights.
>
>Posting in English, out of spite
And the winner of the REBBIE Award is Patrocinia D. Ilangilang. She's got
guts, gusto and mojo balls. She speaks her mind and suggests choice for
everyone. Most of all, she has shown the characteristics which seem to
remind me of myself. By the way, that was not meant as an insult.
For actually breaking through the testosterone cloud that surrounds scf,
Pat has gone through the grounds of former scf female standouts like
PAJAROAZUL and phoebe parrone. Thank you so much for sending a mist of
estrogen around here.
REtongAwardsCommittee
--
TatieA
Ano ba ang probinsya mo at parang galit ka sa tagalog?
Rodrigo A. Dar
ronald h. davis wrote:
> let me tell you something bud, *i* live in the good ol' U.S. of A., and
> i demand nothing less than total conformance to what's convenient to *our*
> way of doing things - and in this country, we speak ENGLISH ONLY and expect
> you, and everyone else to do the same! what do you think we're going to
> do, learn every language in the world?!
>
> now, what's so insulting about that??? :-)
>
> ronald!davis
> good ol' U.S. of A. representin'
I take offense in this. The last time I checked the First Amendment was
still in effect.
I, too, live in the US; but I do not see everyone speaking English only.
I hear a lot of other languages being spoken everywhere. Here in
California and in the Western USA you see a lot of names and words such
as San Francisco, Los Angeles, Colorado, Arizona, Palo Alto, Paso
Robles, Los Altos, Los Baños, arroyo, patio, .... Why, it makes one
think that here Spanish is the language of the land!
--
Rodrigo (Rudy) A. Dar
San Jose, CA
PATROCINIA D ILANGILANG
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
: E, di para sa iyo nga LAHAT ng mga nasabi ko :o) LOL
: Iba yung tinutukoy ko noong sinabi ko na kailangan mo ng private
: *tutoring*, kailangan iyong specialist. MD in psychiatry.
ugh. I really mis-read the above statement. And in connection with
your other post, something that had "Miss DUAL personality..." (hey, I
don't have cut and paste, dejanews it, folks) I totally messed this up.
Anyway, I've insulted *kamagong*, and I apologize. If anyone has made a
total ass of themselves, it's me :( Next time I'll follow my own damned
advice.
Before I go back to lurking and desisting, post in any dialect you WANT,
people. Ilokano, kapangpangan (?), tagalog, etc. Heck, post in ebonics
or pig latin if you wish it. No to any form of censure, definitely no
to censorship. We've had enough of that under Marcos.
okey...I'm leaving...I'm leaving....
TatieA
Maraming tao sa pilipinas na mahilig mag salita ng english kahit sila ay
mga pilipino at nakaka intindi ng tagalog. Ito ay nagpapakita lamang na
kulang ang ibang pilipino ng pagmamahal sa ating pambansang wika. Ang sabi
ng iba pag ikaw daw ay nag sasalita ng english sa pilipinas ay matalino?
Sosyal? Burgis?
Hindi kaya ganoon din ang nangyayari dito sa SCF? Hindi kaya ang iba ay
nag papasikat lamang para sabihing sila ay matatalino rin? Ano ba ang
basehan ng katalinuhan ng isang tao, pag ikaw ay marunong magbasa at
magsulat ng english ay matalino na?
Para sa akin hindi rude ang mag post ngTagalog sa SCF. Tagalog ang ating
pambansang wika at ito ang ginagawang instrumento upang magkaintindihan
ang lahat ng pilipino sa buong Pilipinas.
Kung gusto nating umunlad ang Pilipinas at makilala sa buong mundo bilang
isang Filipino ay huwag nating ibabagsak ang ating pambansang wika.Dito sa
SCF ay maraming Filipino na hindi kakaintindi ng tagalog , isa lang ang
masabi ko, mag aral sila ng tagalog pagkat ito ang pambansang wika ng
Pilipinas!
WIKANG PAMBANSA ANG TANGING KUNG SALITA
BAYAN KUNG SINILANGAN HANGAD KUNG LAGI ANG KALAYAAN
djawtkazt
hay, nako tama na nga iyan.
sa mga purong pinoy, pabayaan na ninyo 'yang mga hilaw na iyan at gusto
lang ninyang mga iyan na mapansin natin. kung hindi nila alam ang ating
sariling wika eh di ganoon. kung hindi nila maintindihan eh di problema
na nila 'yon, di ba? tapusin na natin itong usap-usapan na ito dahil
pinahahaba lang nga mga kupal na dehins naman na noyping mga 'yan.
basta mag-post lang kayo, sige-sige. kasalanan ba natin kung hilaw
sila? kung dehins nila makuha yung ibig nating sabihin at marami pa
silang katarantaduha't kuskos balungos, sabihin mo na lang 'wa ka na
lang don parj'....ah 'di ba hataw 'yon. sige, dapat nga magpetisyon
tayong mga noypi na laging susubukin ang ating sariling wika para dehins
makalmutan. oo nga pala kung dehins n'yo nakuha, piliponics to. ox ba?
'ge na lang hanggang sa susunod na lang mga cosa.
djawtkazt
ronald h. davis wrote:
>
> let me tell you something bud, *i* live in the good ol' U.S. of A., and
> i demand nothing less than total conformance to what's convenient to *our*
> way of doing things - and in this country, we speak ENGLISH ONLY and expect
> you, and everyone else to do the same! what do you think we're going to
> do, learn every language in the world?!
>
> now, what's so insulting about that??? :-)
>
> ronald!davis
> good ol' U.S. of A. representin'
if that's how you see it, then you're not even a Pilipino. so what are
you doing in this newsgroup?
djawtkazt
Johnny Thor wrote:
> Many of the French are bunch of tight-arsed losers. They are so concerned
> with losing their culture. They're like candles in the wind. I've got news
> for the tight-arsed French: adapt to the new order or wither and die!!!!!
>
> Johnny
> this is soc.culture.filipino and NOT soc.culture.tagalog
johnny, if you yourself are not concerned about Pilipino culture, then
why even call yourself one and belong in a newsgroup that is about the
Pilipino Culture. i think impostors like you need to just leave this
newsgroup alone and let the ones who could help make this newgroup
flourish with Pilipino pride and intelligence do the all talking.
Johnny Thor
djawtkazt <djaw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<33676C...@worldnet.att.net>...
>
> johnny, if you yourself are not concerned about Pilipino culture, then
> why even call yourself one and belong in a newsgroup that is about the
> Pilipino Culture. i think impostors like you need to just leave this
> newsgroup alone and let the ones who could help make this newgroup
> flourish with Pilipino pride and intelligence do the all talking.
>
Mr. DJ,
I share your sentiments regarding the promotion of Filo pride and
intelligence. But do not be trapped by the Manila-centric views that are
prevalent. Filipino culture is more than just Tagalog culture.
JohnnyT
Drang2
I'm from the good ol U.S. of A., can't speak Tagalog, understand some of
it, probably read it at a 1st grade level. I do believe that this area
says filipino in it. Therefore, Filipinos will tend to post here. If the
post is in Tagalog or Ilocano, tough s#$t!!! Learn the language. Or
leave this area, and go to a newsgroup that posts in English. Are people
so ethnocentric to think that newsgroups are for English typing-speaking
people only?
Angelo
TatieA
Don't blame Manila. It's not her choice to become your so-called " centre
of the universe". If you remember our history- Magellan landed in Cebu and
held the first Mass there.( The oldest street in the Philippines is
located in Cebu. What's the importance? Civilization started with
building roads.) But when Spanish came back to the Philippines, they saw
the Manila Harbor, they decided to settle there and started their
colonization.They built roads, forts,churches, schools/universities and
hospital. Gradually, Manila became the center of trade in the Philippines.
When the revolution erupted, it was started by 8 provinces, mostly in the
Tagalog region(remember the eight rays of the sun on our flag?) ...of
course Pampanga andTarlac were there. It was a sweet short victory. The
Americans began to colonize us. There was a brief battle between
revolutionaries and American soldiers. The revolutionaries has been
contained. The Americans then gave back our freedom. (Kuno! It was the
beginning of American imperialism in the Philippine soil !) In return, the
Philippines will consider them the -Protectorate of the Filipino people.
They let us run our own country. We built our own legislation, and thru
this legislation Patriotism and Nationalism became the big topic . One
of the topics they considered was about the National Language for the
Philippines. They chose between English, Ilokano, Cebuano, Pampangueno,
Tagalog, and Spanish. There was a heated debate because everyone wanted
their language to become the national language.
But they ended up in one final answer-Pilipino( based on tagalog). Manuel
Luis Quezon then became the AMA NG WIKANG PILIPINO.
Manila has nothing to do with it, it was her geographical situation that
makes her favorable for Europeans and American nations.Imposing the
Filipino Language (based on Tagalog) is not a cultural genocide, learning
two or three languages (dialects) is an advantage. You don't have to be
very fluent in Filipino (based on Tagalog) to communicate with other
Filipinos. Being able to understand each other is enough. But imposing
English in the Philippines is cultural invasion. English Language is just
"Hiram na Wika", and it is 14,000 miles away from the Philippines.
Have you ever visited the lahar victims? Do you have freinds or relatives
MV Dona Paz incident? Earthquake victims in Baguio? Typhoon victims in
Bicol and Samar? Have you ever experienced donating food, clothes to
those people or help them to ease their pain? When you talk to them, are
you going to ask them in Egnlish? ( How are you? What's up? How can i help
you?) C'mon ...those people are suffering , it's an insult for them to
hear English! Filipino (based on Tagalog ) is like music for them to
hear! You don't know the pulse of the masses yet!
Filipino language has nothing to do with the secession in Mindanao- i'ts
the economy and had nothing to do with the language.
Blame the politicians who were representing the provinces/districts,but
they have big houses , big businesses in Manila. Cultural genocide is an
old battle cry of politicians especially in Cebu (such lonesome losers).
My mother is a Cebuana, my father is a Bicolano. I was educated in manila.
I have lot of friends in all parts of the Philippines, fromAparri to
Jolo.We all spoke filipino( based on tagalog) and we don't have any
problems.
Johnny Thor
TatieA <tat...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970503005...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> English Language is just
> "Hiram na Wika", and it is 14,000 miles away from the Philippines.
>
Oh, yeah? Tell that to the Americans, Canadians, Australians and New
Zealanders in reference to Mother England.
>
> My mother is a Cebuana, my father is a Bicolano. I was educated in
manila.
>
You are educated in Manila hence your preference to Tagalog. That is
clearly a Manila-centric view. My question to you: Can you speak Cebuano
and/or Bicolano? Have you committed cultural genocide by refusing to learn
the languages of your forebears?
Johnny
Rosauro Galicia
Johnny Thor wrote:
> I share your sentiments regarding the promotion of Filo pride and
> intelligence. But do not be trapped by the Manila-centric views that are
> prevalent. Filipino culture is more than just Tagalog culture.
However, using English instead of Tagalog so as to avoid being
Manila-centric is like fielding an American team to avoid sending an
all-Luzon team, wouldn't it?
ROS
Ron Calderon
> : In article <335D4A...@tezcat.com>,
> : "ronald h. davis" <ron...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>
> : >let me tell you something bud, *i* live in the good ol' U.S. of A., and
> : >i demand nothing less than total conformance to what's convenient to *our*
> : >way of doing things - and in this country, we speak ENGLISH ONLY and expect
> : >you, and everyone else to do the same! what do you think we're going to
> : >do, learn every language in the world?!
Dang! I missed a good flame-victim! Been away from SCF tooooooo
long! April 25? damn...the idiot is probably gone from the newsgroup
already. Well....if he ever comes back, I'll bring out the old
flame thrower and bar-b-Q his english-only butt till it's "well done".
--Ron C.
joey c.cruz
Sun Dutan
Ron Calderon wrote:
> Dang! I missed a good flame-victim! Been away from SCF tooooooo
> long! April 25? damn...the idiot is probably gone from the newsgroup
> already. Well....if he ever comes back, I'll bring out the old
> flame thrower and bar-b-Q his english-only butt till it's "well done".
>
> --Ron C.
Don't worry Ron. Your namesake Ron Howard is a profilic poster here
and you'll get your chance to scratch that flame itch soon!
You'll also notice a few newcomers, so get your flame thrower loaded
and ready to go!
Sun Dutan
Johnny Thor
joey c.cruz <jc...@etcheshop.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in article
<336FB2...@etcheshop.Berkeley.EDU>...
> Ron Calderon wrote:
> >
> > Dang! I missed a good flame-victim! Been away from SCF tooooooo
> > long! April 25? damn...the idiot is probably gone from the newsgroup
> > already. Well....if he ever comes back, I'll bring out the old
> > flame thrower and bar-b-Q his english-only butt till it's "well done".
> >
> > --Ron C.
>
Yep, I certainly did. But AFAIK, Ron is a native of Cebu and would
certainly not commit cultural genocide by advocating Tagalog as the
national language of the PI. Wouldn't that be right, Ronnie baby?
Johnny
*kama...@pacbell.net
In article "Johnny Thor" <Johnn...@Antispam.Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yep, I certainly did. But AFAIK, Ron is a native of Cebu and would
> certainly not commit cultural genocide by advocating Tagalog as the
> national language of the PI. [cut]
>
Dyani b*boy, dont confuse the issue again. (ang kulit mo!)
The issue is not the national language.
The issue is your irresponsible statement that any *normal* poster
would NOT say in a FILIPINO Newsgroup.
Dyani Tor stated: Its *rude* to post in Tagalog.
Ron Calderon
On 7 May 1997, Johnny Thor wrote:
>
> Yep, I certainly did. But AFAIK, Ron is a native of Cebu and would
> certainly not commit cultural genocide by advocating Tagalog as the
> national language of the PI. Wouldn't that be right, Ronnie baby?
>
As I have many times stated in the past, I would prefer a
national language for the Philippines to be one developed
from our many languages. But I most certainly support people
posting in Tagalog and any other Filipino language in this
newsgroup. And any bonehead who thinks this should be an
English-only newsgroup deserves a good barbecuing from my
tried and tested flame-thrower.
--Ron
Johnny Thor
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote in article
<*kamagong*-08059707...@ppp-206-170-30-187.hywr01.pacbell.net>...
>
> Dyani b*boy, dont confuse the issue again. (ang kulit mo!)
> The issue is not the national language.
>
Well the thread has gone as far as discussing the national language. Hence
my views.
> The issue is your irresponsible statement that any *normal* poster
> would NOT say in a FILIPINO Newsgroup.
>
> Dyani Tor stated: Its *rude* to post in Tagalog.
>
The verdict:
1. Anyone can post in any language which they choose.
2. Notwithstanding, English is the preferred language of this newsgroup
because English is the defacto national language of the Phils.
Is that clear as mud for you, sir?
Johnny
Jun B.
On 9 May 1997 06:25:27 GMT, "Johnny Thor"
<Johnn...@Antispam.Hotmail.com> wrote:
:*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote in article
:<*kamagong*-08059707...@ppp-206-170-30-187.hywr01.pacbell.net>...
:>
:> The issue is your irresponsible statement that any *normal* poster
:> would NOT say in a FILIPINO Newsgroup.
:>
:> Dyani Tor stated: Its *rude* to post in Tagalog.
:
:The verdict:
:
:1. Anyone can post in any language which they choose.
Hay, sa wakas! Umamin ka na rin na hindi bastos ang sumulat ng
Tagalog. Mukhang natauhan ka na rin.
:2. Notwithstanding, English is the preferred language of this
:newsgroup...
Kung iyon ang gusto mo, eh di patuloy ka na lang magsulat sa Ingles.
Pero kami, kapag ginusto namin, magsusulat kami sa Tagalog, Bisaya,
Pangasinense, Kapampangan, Chabacano, o sa anupamang lengguwaheng
Pinoy na gusto naming gamitin. Oo na, pati na rin sa Ingles.
Dahil galing na rin sa SCF FAQ:
Postings in Filipino and other Philippine languages are welcome
in this forum.
[...]
[But] while you are free to write in whatever language you wish, you
should seriously consider writing your articles in English if you
want a larger audience for your ideas.
:...because English is the defacto national language of the Phils.
Hindi pa rin ako naniniwala, tulad ng karamihan ng nandito, sa iyong
sinasabi na Ingles ang "defacto national language" ng Pilipinas. Pero
kung iyon ang paniniwala mo, kahit ito, sa tingin ko at ng karamihan
dito, ay mali, nasa sa iyo na iyon.
Jun B.
bai...@interlog.com
Juan-Pablo Paredes
Permit me to interject politely something that I think is part of our
organic law, the Constitution, at least when I was still there. What I
know is that the Constitution says that the official languages of the
Philippines is English and Spanish. Just my $0.02. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
JP Paredes
---------------------
Current Occupant
Juan-Pablo Paredes <jpar...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>Permit me to interject politely something that I think is part of our
>organic law, the Constitution, at least when I was still there. What I
>know is that the Constitution says that the official languages of the
>Philippines is English and Spanish. Just my $0.02. Correct me if I'm
>wrong.
There are officially three national languages, English, Spanish and
*Pilipino*. The Spanish, I feel, is slowly losing ground, and the only
thing that's keeping it alive is the historical archives of the period
prior to WW2.
Johnny Thor
Ron Calderon <hbcs...@csun1.csun.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.HPP.3.91.97050...@csun2.csun.edu>...
>
> As I have many times stated in the past, I would prefer a
> national language for the Philippines to be one developed
> from our many languages.
But Ron, why would we have to spend enormous amounts of resources to
develop a language when we already have English in our midst which is fully
developed to tackle all our needs?
Johnny
J. Bagley
Hey, I've got a question for you all. Why are Tagalogs so
self-righteous and prejudiced against Cebuanos and especially against
Boholanos? I'm an American who lived in Cebu, Negros, and Bohol. When I
mention this to Pinoys here in the US, they usually assure me that Manila
is much better than Cebu (which, I believe is a fallicy; Manila is a
disgusting city) and tell me what horrible languages they speak in Cebu
and Bohol. I, as a matter of fact, love Boholanon, which has become my
favorite of about a dozen dialects that I've been exposed to.
Riddle me that, mga Pinoy
Quinn
%user%
Sir, when you wrote "Why are Tagalogs so
self-righteous and prejudiced against Cebuanos and especially against
Boholanos?"; which 'Tagalogs' are you referring to?
You may be aware that Tagalog-speaking people come from all parts of the
Philippines.
Sorry, if you find many Tagalog-speakers self-righteous and prejudice.
But who is not guilty of any sin? Golly, may I dare say that you're
associating with the "pangit" na Tagalogs. I hope you'll meet the
lovely
kind of Tagalogs too.
Thanks.
Bill
==================
"Ang hindi lumingon sa pinanggalingan, hindi makakarating sa paroroon.
Ang lingon ng lingon, nadadapa at nakakahuli ng palaka."
Marcnepo
Hey, I've got a question for you all. Why are Tagalogs so
self-righteous and prejudiced against Cebuanos and especially against
Boholanos? I'm an American who lived in Cebu, Negros, and Bohol. When I
mention this to Pinoys here in the US, they usually assure me that Manila
is much better than Cebu (which, I believe is a fallicy; Manila is a
disgusting city) and tell me what horrible languages they speak in Cebu
and Bohol. I, as a matter of fact, love Boholanon, which has become my
favorite of about a dozen dialects that I've been exposed to.
Riddle me that, mga Pinoy
Quinn
My comment, Quinn.
From what I've been reading on SCF, it would appear that Tagalogs are not
only "self-righteous and prejudiced against Cebuanos and especially
against Boholanos" but also against any Filipino whose mother tongue is
not Tagalog. I guess that has been the case since Tagalog became the
basis for the Pilipino, which is what the national language of the
Philippines is called.
In fact, when the Capampangans, including myself, were in the process of
creating our own newsgroup (alt.language.kapampangan), some SCFers voiced
out their opposition, saying, among other things, that one newsgroup (SCF)
is enough for the Philippines, and that an additional newsgroup
(especially one dealing with a particular language in the Philippines) is
not necessary. Some even went so far as ridicule our native tongue.
That's tolerance for you.
BTW, one of my pet peeves is when people (both Pinoys and non-Pinoys
alike) refer to the various tongues spoken in the Philippines as
"dialects". FYI, all of these tongues are languages in themselves,
although admittedly there will be dialects within the languages,
especially when the particular language is spoken over a wide area, as in
the case of Tagalog, which consists of various dialects spoken in Bulacan,
Manila, Batangas, Laguna, Cavite, Quezon Province, Nueva Ecija, etc. If
you go to Pampanga, you will notice differences in the way the language is
spoken as you go from town to town; speakers of the language will still
understand each other. So, please, from now on, refer to them as
languages; besides, your resume will look better if it states that you
know a dozen languages, instead of a dozen dialects.
MARC
Current Occupant
marc...@aol.com (Marcnepo) wrote:
>From what I've been reading on SCF, it would appear that Tagalogs are not
>only "self-righteous and prejudiced against Cebuanos and especially
>against Boholanos" but also against any Filipino whose mother tongue is
>not Tagalog. I guess that has been the case since Tagalog became the
>basis for the Pilipino, which is what the national language of the
>Philippines is called.
And the reverse is also true. Stay in a group of Cebuanos and you'll
hear Tagalogs denigrated. To a lesser extent, this regionalism is also
present in the US. I believe the more pronounced regionalism in the
Philippines is an offshoot of the colonization process, where people
from one region were used to subdue rebellions in another.
>In fact, when the Capampangans, including myself, were in the process of
>creating our own newsgroup (alt.language.kapampangan), some SCFers voiced
>out their opposition, saying, among other things, that one newsgroup (SCF)
>is enough for the Philippines, and that an additional newsgroup
>(especially one dealing with a particular language in the Philippines) is
>not necessary. Some even went so far as ridicule our native tongue.
>That's tolerance for you.
Stop being bitter. Can't you understand that there were Tagalogs in
the pro-alk camp?
Johnny Thor
Jun B. <ju...@pathcom.com> wrote in article
<33734933...@news.interlog.com>...
>
> Hindi pa rin ako naniniwala, tulad ng karamihan ng nandito, sa iyong
> sinasabi na Ingles ang "defacto national language" ng Pilipinas.
Jun here is not convinced that English is the de facto national language of
the Phil. Let me ask you doubting Tomas lechones':
1. What is the medium of instruction in our tertiary education?
2. In what language is the newspaper with the highest circulation in the
Phils?
3. Can you give the literal translation of TCP/IP, wide area network, and
FTP in Tagalog? In Cebuano? In Ilocano? In Panggalatok? In Chabacano? I bet
my 49% tax that noone cannot because our traditional languages can't cut
it. They have been left behind from the stone ages and they have not
developed and are inadequate to address today's terms.
JohnnyT
Current Occupant
"Johnny Thor" <Johnn...@Antispam.Hotmail.com> wrote:
>3. Can you give the literal translation of TCP/IP, wide area network, and
>FTP in Tagalog? In Cebuano? In Ilocano? In Panggalatok? In Chabacano? I bet
>my 49% tax that noone cannot because our traditional languages can't cut
>it. They have been left behind from the stone ages and they have not
>developed and are inadequate to address today's terms.
This is not a problem unique to any language. I see nothing wrong with
Filipinos, or any group for that matter, using the above specialized
terms, don't see why you do. Try monitoring the German and Taiwan
newsgroups (*.de and *.tw domains), they are using these terms, and
the language is definitely not English.
*kama...@pacbell.net
marc...@aol.com (Marcnepo) wrote:
[cut]
Moved article and response to another thread:
see Filipino meaning of support
In my opinion its not proper to discuss this under the
current subject.
Ron Calderon
On 10 May 1997, Johnny Thor wrote:
> Jun here is not convinced that English is the de facto national language of
> the Phil. Let me ask you doubting Tomas lechones':
>
> 1. What is the medium of instruction in our tertiary education?
>
> 2. In what language is the newspaper with the highest circulation in the
> Phils?
>
> 3. Can you give the literal translation of TCP/IP, wide area network, and
> FTP in Tagalog? In Cebuano? In Ilocano? In Panggalatok? In Chabacano? I bet
> my 49% tax that noone cannot because our traditional languages can't cut
> it. They have been left behind from the stone ages and they have not
> developed and are inadequate to address today's terms.
Thor...you bonehead, whatssa matter Thor...got buttf----d by Odin again?
Lost your hammer perhaps?
I concede on #1 & #2, yup English is used more than Tagalog
for instruction and in newspapers. But "left in the stone
ages" Thor? No, no, no...you're not thinking straight man,
still feeling Odin's phantom phallus in your rear orifice?
As long as a language is alive and being used, it adapts! It
adapts itself to new things. So we may not have a literal
translation of TCP/IP in any of our languages...so what?
It's not because our languages are not "advanced" (duh,
TCP and such other terms are coined by their developers,
and appended to the language....got that invented and
appended!). We can do that if we wished with our languages,
but we seem to have found it more convenient to adapt
pre-existing technical terms in English (then again, most
English speakers don't refer to these terms as "english"
but rather "technobabble".) rather than invent our own.
But just because we adapt this "technobabble", does not
mean our languages are incapable of conveying high-tech
ideas.
When I was in Don Bosco Technical High School, our teachers
would always resort to Bisaya if many of the students fail
to understand something they were explaining in English.
And when they did, those students who did not understand
the lecture at first would then grasp the concepts.
Technology may have special terms to describe every new
fangled device, but those terms...are and always will be
explained in more familiar words or concepts so they will
be better understood. And those explanations make more sense
to some people if they are conveyed in the native tongue.
And as long as the people speaking that tongue have not
cut themselves off from the rest of the world, that tongue
will adapt and grow and evolve. So unless the Philippines
cut itself off from the rest of the world since the
Stone Age, Thor-God-of-Blunder, then there is not such
thing as a Philippine languages that is "left in the
Stone Age".
--Ron C.
Johnny Thor
joey c.cruz <jc...@etcheshop.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in article
<33778D...@etcheshop.Berkeley.EDU>...
>
> Speak for yourself JANITOR. Since when they made you as the spokeperson
> for this NG? Get a life will you...
>
I refer to the FAQ for scf. I'm not making it up. It says there that
English is the lingua franca of this newsgroup. Convinced?
JT
Ferdie
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:> [cut]
> *k> > Dyani Tor stated: Its *rude* to post in Tagalog.
> > >
> >
> JT> The verdict:
>
> Hey Dyani, there's an unFilipino arrogance in your tone.
> *VERDICT* #%^&^%&^$@3KA! .....ABORI.......
> ......since WHEN did filipinos need to ask or to put into a judgement
> what *native* language can and cant be spoken in a FILIPINO NG.
> Kung mayroong moderator SINAMPAL ka na siguro sa unang post mo pa lang.
> ...virtual na lang.......pppppaaaaccckkkk.....
> Dont get used to doing this, Miss *ho...hum fake* anti-censorship crusader.
>
> The NG atmosphere here should be *FEEL AT HOME*....(Filipino home)
> Dont ABUSE the filipino hospitality, karamihan ng Pinoy nasa loob
> ang kulo. If you are really Pinoy, you know what it means when it blows.
>
> YOU (and me) are *GUESTS* in this Filipino CULTURAL environment, DONT FORGET IT.
>
> >
> JT> 1. Anyone can post in any language which they choose.
>
> Common sense you SHOULD have known ever since you got access to
> the internet. Kung bakit kasi, ..... salbahi talaga iyong doktor mo ;o)
> Wala ka na sa graaade schooool..
>
> JT> 2. Notwithstanding, English is the preferred language of this newsgroup
>
> Another common sense YOU should have picked up if you read the FAQ.
> I know, *most* of us knows, so whats new.
>
> JT> because English is the defacto national language of the Phils.
>
> ..........<>...............
>
> [cut, isip.....hindi na papatulan ang mga sumonod na utot :o)
> paumnahin sa iba sa inyo, mahilig lang akong kumain ng *coconut*]
wag kayong mga uto-uto.ang advantage natin ay magsalita ng tagalog.ang
advantage ng puti ay magsalita ng ingles.Bakit hindi gamitin ang
advantage natin?
Scooby9514
the thing is... TAGALOGS don't KNOW how to speak any other language
besides their own, whereas, CEBUANOS are fluent in TAGALOG, essentially,
CEBUANOS are "bi-lingual" and that makes CEBUANOS SMARTER...and not to
mention, BETTER LOOKING....hehehehe.. i had to throw that one in......
SO, who's superior now, you stuck-up, snotty, TAGALOGS???
Sun Dutan
One solution offered here is to teach Filipinos all the major dialects,
but as long as the politicians keep pocketing the money intended for
the people, this will never happen.
If you're really better looking, show us a web site with your picture.
:)
You're superior only because you worked at Superior Bakery.
Sun Dutan
Cebu Kid
Bgdomingo
Tagologs don't have to learn to speak Cebuano because it is not considered
as an asset. Also it shows that it's a PROMDI. Whereas Cebuanos speak
Tagalog to hide their identity as a Visayan. Although it's true that most
people in Cebu are Mestizo's/Mestiza's it does not mean that Cebuanos are
better than Tagalogs. We are all in the same boat, Filipinos hating each
other and backstabing each other.
So that's all folks!!!!
================================================================
Bong D
"The Deep South"
Sun Dutan
Cebu Kid wrote:
> OK... THIS IS MY WEBSITE.. (i'm also Scoob...@aol.com)
>
> http://members.aol.com/CebuKid/cebukid.html
Neat site CK. So you're an engineer; electical/electronic perhaps?
The girl from New York is really cute and pretty. Thanks for the
pictures.
Sun Dutan
Rhett Valino Pascual
Cebu Kid <ceb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>If you're really better looking, show us a web site with your picture.
>
>OK... THIS IS MY WEBSITE.. (i'm also Scoob...@aol.com)
>http://members.aol.com/CebuKid/cebukid.html
Well, i checked out the site. He's just as good looking and handsome as I
am. What is the big deal? You can find that the majority of filipinos
looks like scooby and me. We are tall, dark, and handsome. Well, ok, two
out of three is okay.
Tall&DarkREtong
--
GCessor
Maybe, but I've found that Pinoys who grow up in the States are tall,
too - I can see it in my nephews, who are 16 and 13 and both taller than
their parents. It's not the genes so much as the nutrition received in
the growing years.