Sanse (was Nitpicking)
Marcelino Bernardo
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Hi, Sanse. So what comes after Sanse? Ate, Ditse, Sanse ...
And what comes after Sanko? Kuya, Diko, Sanko ...
Where did these terms come from?
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Sanse
>Hi, Sanse. So what comes after Sanse? Ate, Ditse, Sanse ...
I think it's Sitse. For those of you who are unfamiliar with these terms,
Ate=1st sister; Ditse=2nd sister; Sanse=3th sister; ....
>And what comes after Sanko? Kuya, Diko, Sanko ...
(Kuya=1st brother; Diko=2nd; Sanko=3rd; ...)
Good question--I don't know. On my mother's side, where these terms are used,
there have never been more than three male offsprings in one family, so the
titles stop at Sanko. Does anyone know? I'm offering a reward of one rellenong
manok to anyone who can supply the rest (at least two more titles).
>Where did these terms come from?
My guess would be that our Chinese ancestors who came to the Philippines
brought it with them. We descended from two Chinese immigrants who came
ten generations (Tiongson) and five generations back from my generation.
If you happen to see the Chinese movie "Raise the Red Lantern" you'll
notice that they use similar terms, in this case the terms were used by
wives of one man.
Hope that helps.
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Rey G. Carolina
>I think it's Sitse. For those of you who are unfamiliar with these terms,
Ate=1st sister; Ditse=2nd sister; Sanse=3th sister; ....
>And what comes after Sanko? Kuya, Diko, Sanko ...
(Kuya=1st brother; Diko=2nd; Sanko=3rd; ...)
>Good question--I don't know. On my mother's side, where these terms are used,
>there have never been more than three male offsprings in one family, so the
>titles stop at Sanko. Does anyone know? I'm offering a reward of one rellenong
>manok to anyone who can supply the rest (at least two more titles).
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... In our family, if you're a male, everyone younger than you are calls
you 'kuya'; if you're a female, everyone younger than you are calls you
'ate'. For clarity, the first name is normally appended to the 'kuya' or
'ate' word (viz... kuya Rey, kuya Nesty, ate Lou, ate Tez... etc).
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Marcelino Bernardo
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> mbe...@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo) writes:
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> >Where did these terms come from?
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> My guess would be that our Chinese ancestors who came to the Philippines
> brought it with them. We descended from two Chinese immigrants who came
> ten generations (Tiongson) and five generations back from my generation.
> If you happen to see the Chinese movie "Raise the Red Lantern" you'll
> notice that they use similar terms, in this case the terms were used by
> wives of one man.
>
I would be interested in seeing this movie. I wonder if I can find it in
my local video rental place. If you're right, it would be interesting to
find out how terms used to refer to wives of a man became terms used to
refer to siblings.
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Ma. Elena Y. Francisco
>>I think it's Sitse. For those of you who are unfamiliar with these terms,
>Ate=1st sister; Ditse=2nd sister; Sanse=3th sister; ....
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>>And what comes after Sanko? Kuya, Diko, Sanko ...
>(Kuya=1st brother; Diko=2nd; Sanko=3rd; ...)
My mom's family follows this "convention" as well. But they only
went as far as "Sanse" and "Sanko". After that, the entire thing
reset, except this time, they used {Kuya/Ate; Diko/Ditse; Sanko/Sanse}
<name>.
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Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.
>m-m...@uiuc.edu (Sanse) writes:
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>My mom's family follows this "convention" as well. But they only
>went as far as "Sanse" and "Sanko". After that, the entire thing
>reset, except this time, they used {Kuya/Ate; Diko/Ditse; Sanko/Sanse}
><name>.
Sheesh! You can hardly blame those people who simply refer to all elder
siblings as 'Ate' or 'Kuya.'
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Sanse
>I would be interested in seeing this movie. I wonder if I can find it in
>my local video rental place. If you're right, it would be interesting to
>find out how terms used to refer to wives of a man became terms used to
>refer to siblings.
I saw the movie at a commercial theatre that shows popular foreign movies
(one of the artsy types), but it should come out on video (if it hasn't
already) since I've been able to rent movies from China by the same production
(and even the same actress). I think it all has to do with the notion
of extended families, not so much that they are married to the same man.
Relatives of the same generation would call each other by titles for siblings,
while anyone who is older is referred to as aunt/uncle or grandmother/
grandfather. For example, I call my cousins Ate/Kuya, Ditse/Diko, etc. plus
their name depending of their order of birth in their own family. So my
cousin who is also a third daughter is also a Sanse (which is also the name of
her boutique in Loyola Heights).
For a Christmas present, my sister got me a blouse from my cousin's boutique
and I thought it was really neat to have an article of clothing with my
name/title on the label.
Abner F. Bello
>Good question--I don't know. On my mother's side, where these terms are used,
>there have never been more than three male offsprings in one family, so the
>titles stop at Sanko. Does anyone know? I'm offering a reward of one rellenong
>manok to anyone who can supply the rest (at least two more titles).
>
for a free rellenong manok.
-Abner