Proposal:alt.language.kapampangan

[Gil Malonzo]

Proposal for newsgroup
unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan

For your newsgroups file:
alt.language.kapampangan kapampangan language and culture.

Follow-up to: alt.config

RATIONAL
There is a growing number of Kapampangans who contribute to
the discussions in soc.culture.filipino. Many Kapampangans
long to discuss issues and their culture. There are now
hundreds of Kapampangans around the world who have access
to usenet newsgroups and other interested parties who would benefit
from this group. Presently there exists a Kapampangan mailing
list with approximately more than a hundred subscribers.
Although this number is small, the list is not well-known
in the Filipino or Kapampangan internet community.
The Kapampangan mailing list address is:
KAPAMP...@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM

The mailing list is very active. To search our archives
please visit this site at:

http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=KAPAMP...@home.ease.lsoft.com

The Kapampangan Homepage is at http://www.balen.net

CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)
are welcomed and encouraged.

Binary files should not be posted to this group. Commercial
posts (advertisements, looking for Filipinas, SPAM, MAKE.MONEY.
FAST, etc) are also not appropriate for this newsgroup.

This has been posted to alt.config, soc.culture.filipino,
and the Kapampangan mailing list.

Absent any significant problems, We propose a group creation
date of March 31, 1997 at which time we will post a summary of when
we proposed the newsgroup, and the ensuing discussion. Please post
comments and/or suggestions to alt.config prior to this date.

Proponent: gh...@calweb.com (Gil Malonzo II)
Proponent: daj...@bway.net (David Nepomuceno)
http://www.balen.net

[Paul Kekai Manansala]

In article <3333AF...@calweb.com>,

I hope that religious proselytization would be restricted. This
is what ruined Pinoy-L, and it also is starting to clutter up
Kapampangan-L.

Paul Kekai Manansala

[Dave Nepomuceno]

Mamayun ku keng pamanalakad ning alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.

I support the creation of the alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.

Sa aming mga kapatid na Tagalog, Batanguen~o, Cebuano, Ilocano, Ilonggo,
Pangasinense, Bisaya, Bicolano, at Kabalen -- let us celebrate our
cultural diversity. UNITY IN DIVERSITY. Help us create this new
newsgroup to nurture and preserve the Kapampangan language and culture
in the face of the onslaught of mainstream Filipino mass media.

Dave Nepomuceno
http://www.balen.net

[Gil Malonzo]

Mr. Pascual,

Thanks for the support. Fortunately, creating newsgroups
in the "alt" hierarchy does not require any voting procedures.
The process for creating an alt newsgroup is not as complex
as creating one in the big seven hierarchy (such as where
s.c.f. is). As long as anyone post a "YES, I favor the
creation of a.l.k. at the alt.config newsgroup. The better
chance we have in succeeding. Maraming salamat po uli.

- Gil

Rhett Valino Pascual wrote:
>
> I support your ideals. However, with my limited understanding of the
> usenet newsgroups, it would seem that you would have to first show a large
> number of posts in the kapampangan language in scf before you can create
> a new
> newsgroup. In terms of strategy, I suggest that members of the
> kapampangan list begin posting in scf in kapampangan. After a period of
> three months wherein one shows that there is a great need for a different
> newsgroup, then try to push for it with proof that scf is too little to
> contain the kapampangan list. Just a suggestion for your consideration.
>
> In the end, I support the creation of the new newsgroup. Propose it to
> the hierarchy, tell us where and when to vote and I'm sure others will
> vote for the newsgroup.
>
> REtong
>

[Manolo Gatbonton]

I support this proposal, This would facilitate discussions about Kapampangan
culture and its language.

Gil Malonzo wrote:
>
> Proposal for newsgroup
> unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan
>

> CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
> This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
> anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
> and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
> group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
> the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
> will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
> the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
> limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
> mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
> expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
> discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
> On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
> economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
> Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)

> are welcomed and encouraged.(snip)

[Manolo Gatbonton]

Dave Nepomuceno wrote:
>
> Mamayun ku keng pamanalakad ning alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
>
> I support the creation of the alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
>
> Sa aming mga kapatid na Tagalog, Batanguen~o, Cebuano, Ilocano, Ilonggo,
> Pangasinense, Bisaya, Bicolano, at Kabalen -- let us celebrate our
> cultural diversity. UNITY IN DIVERSITY. Help us create this new
> newsgroup to nurture and preserve the Kapampangan language and culture
> in the face of the onslaught of mainstream Filipino mass media.
>
> Dave Nepomuceno
> http://www.balen.net
>

> Gil Malonzo wrote:
> >
> > Proposal for newsgroup
> > unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan

I agree to both of you GIl and Dave, I really think that Kapampangan
needs a news group like this. Of course with the help of our Kabayan we
can achieve that goal.

Manolo

[Rhett Valino Pascual]

I support your ideals. However, with my limited understanding of the
usenet newsgroups, it would seem that you would have to first show a large
number of posts in the kapampangan language in scf before you can create
a new
newsgroup. In terms of strategy, I suggest that members of the
kapampangan list begin posting in scf in kapampangan. After a period of
three months wherein one shows that there is a great need for a different
newsgroup, then try to push for it with proof that scf is too little to
contain the kapampangan list. Just a suggestion for your consideration.

In the end, I support the creation of the new newsgroup. Propose it to
the hierarchy, tell us where and when to vote and I'm sure others will
vote for the newsgroup.

REtong

In article <333437...@erols.com>,

Dave Nepomuceno <dave...@erols.com> wrote:
>Mamayun ku keng pamanalakad ning alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
>
>I support the creation of the alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
>
>Sa aming mga kapatid na Tagalog, Batanguen~o, Cebuano, Ilocano, Ilonggo,
>Pangasinense, Bisaya, Bicolano, at Kabalen -- let us celebrate our
>cultural diversity. UNITY IN DIVERSITY. Help us create this new
>newsgroup to nurture and preserve the Kapampangan language and culture
>in the face of the onslaught of mainstream Filipino mass media.
>Dave Nepomuceno
>http://www.balen.net
>
>
>Gil Malonzo wrote:
>>
>> Proposal for newsgroup
>> unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan

--

[Johnny Thor]

Me three. I'm 1/3 Pampango but I can't speak it. This newsgroup may be a
good place to learn up.

JT
mekeni

Rhett Valino Pascual <gldn...@uclink.berkeley.edu> wrote in article
<5h2acn$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>...
> I support your ideals.

>
>
> In article <333437...@erols.com>,
> Dave Nepomuceno <dave...@erols.com> wrote:
> >Mamayun ku keng pamanalakad ning alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
> >
> >I support the creation of the alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
> >
> >

[Audie S. Vergara]

Yes, let's do it!

Audie S. Vergara
(100% Pampangueno)

[Christine C. Jose]

I support this proposal. I have learned so much about our language and
culture just being on the Kapampangan mailing list. If a Kapampangan
newsgroup can be created, this valuable knowledge can be shared with
everybody else.

[Manolo Gatbonton]

I agree with Christine, esp to those people who have Kapampangan roots
but did not have the opportunity to learn about their K- culture.

Manolo

[Manolo Gatbonton]

Johnny Thor wrote:
>
> Me three. I'm 1/3 Pampango but I can't speak it. This newsgroup may be a
> good place to learn up.
>
> JT
> mekeni
>

You'll learn not only the language but also the culture itself.

Manolo

[Jovy P. Angeles]

i fully support my fellow kapampangan in this newsgroup proposal.

[Ariel Malig]

i fully support the kapampangan newsgroup. Please approve this
proposal as it is important in preserving the culture and langauge
of Kapampangans.

[Dave Nepomuceno]

The WORLD KAPAMPANGAN CONGRESS supports the creation of the

[Armando A.B. Regala]

Manolo Gatbonton wrote:
>
> I support this proposal, This would facilitate discussions about Kapampangan
> culture and its language.
>

> Gil Malonzo wrote:
> >
> > Proposal for newsgroup
> > unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan
> >

> > CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
> > This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
> > anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
> > and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
> > group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
> > the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
> > will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
> > the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
> > limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
> > mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
> > expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
> > discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
> > On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
> > economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
> > Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)

> > are welcomed and encouraged.(snip)I support the establishment of the alt.language.kapampangan Newsgroup.
As a Kapampangan and a Kapampangan speaker I look forward to being able
to participate in this proposed newsgroup.

Mandy Regala

[VSibal]

Paul Kekai Manansala wrote:
>
>
> I hope that religious proselytization would be restricted. This
> is what ruined Pinoy-L, and it also is starting to clutter up
> Kapampangan-L.
>

> Paul Kekai ManansalaI agree that we should avoid talking about religion, sex, and politics unless they are
in the news and are provided unedited. Talking about these issues not only diverts from
the main topics but also creates animosity and ensuing into lack of support to our
goals.
Vic

[joe T gutie]

Masanting ya ing gewa yu. Let us talk them!

[Paolo Zapanta Manlapaz]

I am in favor of the creation of a new newsgroup called
alt.language.kapampangan.

Edna Zapanta Manlapaz

[Bgdomingo]

Isn't this one form of dividing our newsgroup? Well, Filipinos are divided
anyways??? Why not create others, i.e. Ilocano, Bisaya, Waray,
Panggalatok, etc. and just dump Society Cultural Filipino??? The nation is
indeed divided and there is no unity.

Bong D

[Paul Kekai Manansala]

In article <19970325142...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

Unity does not mean assimilation. For the Philippines, unity means
unity in diversity. Preservation of our regional culture is important
to many/most Filipinos. I think it is when some insist on assimilation
that division arises. I, for one, would love to see groups promoting
the language and culture of Ilokanos, Bisayans, Igorots, Maranao, etc.
SCF will survive.

Paul Kekai Manansala

[Manolo Gatbonton]

Bgdomingo wrote:
>
> Isn't this one form of dividing our newsgroup? Well, Filipinos are divided
> anyways??? Why not create others, i.e. Ilocano, Bisaya, Waray,
> Panggalatok, etc. and just dump Society Cultural Filipino??? The nation is
> indeed divided and there is no unity.
>

> Bong D

Bong, I think you're mixing up autonomy, diversity and unity.
to answer your question no it's not dividing the newsgroup. It
facilitates people like me who wants to know more about this culture.

and just dump SCF??? I don't think so. SCF has its own role.

I see a different perspective. The nation has unity thru diversity of
different cultures.

Manolo

[Jose A. Pangan]

Johnny Thor wrote:
>
> Me three. I'm 1/3 Pampango but I can't speak it. This newsgroup may be a
> good place to learn up.
>
> JT
> mekeni
>

> Rhett Valino Pascual <gldn...@uclink.berkeley.edu> wrote in article
> <5h2acn$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>...
> > I support your ideals.
> >
> >
> > In article <333437...@erols.com>,
> > Dave Nepomuceno <dave...@erols.com> wrote:
> > >Mamayun ku keng pamanalakad ning alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
> > >

> > >I support the creation of the alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.

> > >
> > >
> > >Gil Malonzo wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Proposal for newsgroup
> > >> unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan

> >you got my vote and support for the creation of the
alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.

Gil/Dave dacal salamat for your hard work in getting the kapampangans
together. keep up the good work.

joe

[TiktakBoy]

Creating an alt:language.kapampangan!!!! Tsk! Tsk! Dividing the
newsgroup???
Why am I not surprize of us Pinoys!!!!

[rey...@acs.ucalgary.ca]

I personally support the proposal of the newsgroup:
alt.language.kapampangan.

[joe T gutie]

I also support the alt. language kapampangan newsgroup

Joe T. Gutierrez

[Paul Tiglao]

VSibal wrote:
>
> Paul Kekai Manansala wrote:
> >
> >
> > I hope that religious proselytization would be restricted. This
> > is what ruined Pinoy-L, and it also is starting to clutter up
> > Kapampangan-L.
> >
> > Paul Kekai ManansalaI agree that we should avoid talking about religion, sex, and politics unless they are
> in the news and are provided unedited. Talking about these issues not only diverts from
> the main topics but also creates animosity and ensuing into lack of support to our
> goals.
> Vic

This message is in support of creation of a kapampangan newsgroup.
....Paul

[Therese Cruz]

Audie S. Vergara wrote:
>
> Yes, let's do it!
>
> Audie S. Vergara

> (100% Pampangueno)--

I vote for it as well.

Therese Cruz

[Michael Dimmick]

Manolo Gatbonton communicated by means of words in alt.config...

> Dave Nepomuceno wrote:
> >
> > Mamayun ku keng pamanalakad ning alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
> >
> > I support the creation of the alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
> >

> > Sa aming mga kapatid na Tagalog, Batanguen~o, Cebuano, Ilocano, Ilonggo,
> > Pangasinense, Bisaya, Bicolano, at Kabalen -- let us celebrate our
> > cultural diversity. UNITY IN DIVERSITY. Help us create this new
> > newsgroup to nurture and preserve the Kapampangan language and culture
> > in the face of the onslaught of mainstream Filipino mass media.
> >
> > Dave Nepomuceno
> > http://www.balen.net
> >

> > Gil Malonzo wrote:
> > >
> > > Proposal for newsgroup
> > > unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan
>
>

> I agree to both of you GIl and Dave, I really think that Kapampangan
> needs a news group like this. Of course with the help of our Kabayan we
> can achieve that goal.
>

Whoops! Wrong word. Don't say *need*. You can be sure that your
'need' is not the same as the news admins who must maintain your
group. It's a suggestion, nothing more. If your proposal is
supported (which I'm doing, by the way, in a round-about fashion) then
by all means newgroup it.

--
Michael Dimmick | dimm...@aston.ac.uk | http://www.aston.ac.uk/~dimmicmj
"Outside on the battlements, the guard changed. In fact he changed
into his gardening apron and went off to hoe the beans..."
-- Terry Pratchett, `Lords & Ladies'
I really, really must get out more...

[Dave Nepomuceno]

A house has many rooms.
Yet it is still one house.

Just as a real country is interesting because of its many varied
regions,
So will the Filipino virtual community be interesting and varied in the
landscape of cyberspace.

Dave Nepomuceno

[Chris Espino]

TiktakBoy <tikt...@aol.com> wrote:
: Creating an alt:language.kapampangan!!!! Tsk! Tsk! Dividing the
: newsgroup???
: Why am I not surprize of us Pinoys!!!!

it's either that or flood SCF with kapampangan posts

let them be ...

just hope that all ISPs would carry that newsgroup appropriately

diggable redj

[mana...@san-jose.ate.slb.com]

I SUPPORT THE CREATION OF alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
I BELIEVE THIS NEWSGROUP WILL BE A GOOD VEHICLE FOR OUR
CHILDREN, WHO WERE BORN OR GREW UP AWAY FROM HOME.
THIS IS THEIR ONLY LINK TO THEIR ROOTS AND ORIGIN, HISTORY
PRESENT AND FUTURE.... LET'S GO AND MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!!

In article <3338E6...@erols.com>,

dave...@erols.com wrote:
>
> A house has many rooms.
> Yet it is still one house.
>
> Just as a real country is interesting because of its many varied
> regions,
> So will the Filipino virtual community be interesting and varied in the
> landscape of cyberspace.
>
> Dave Nepomuceno
>

> TiktakBoy wrote:
> >
> > Creating an alt:language.kapampangan!!!! Tsk! Tsk! Dividing the
> > newsgroup???
> > Why am I not surprize of us Pinoys!!!!

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[TiktakBoy]

It is also a very good way of dividing a newsgroup, like dividing a
nation.

Tiktak

[Sancho Mendoza]

Chris Espino wrote:

>
> TiktakBoy <tikt...@aol.com> wrote:
> : Creating an alt:language.kapampangan!!!! Tsk! Tsk! Dividing the
> : newsgroup???
> : Why am I not surprize of us Pinoys!!!!
>

> it's either that or flood SCF with kapampangan posts
>
> let them be ...
>
> just hope that all ISPs would carry that newsgroup appropriately
>
> diggable redj

i'm am pledging my support for this group. with my hometown (bacolor)
being devastated with the flow of lahar from the eruption of mount
pinatubo. this would be a great medium for us to reach a lot of our
friends and relatives around the world.

my complements to dave nepomuceno and gil malonzo. great job....

sancho from san diego

[mana...@slb.com]

I SUPPORT THE alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup 101%....

In article <33368F...@pacbell.net>,

sep...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Masanting ya ing gewa yu. Let us talk them!

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[esto...@rl.af.mil]

In message <19970327132...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tikt...@aol.com
(TiktakBoy) writes:

TIKTAKBOY

Halimbawa kutnangan daka nung nanu ya king Kapampangan ing "Can we all just
get along!!!!!!!", assuming you don't speak Kapampangan (see I don't even know
how to translate that. Nung malyari sana ayntindyan me ing buri kung sabyan.
A-translate me kaya.

TRANSLATION:
For example, I'll ask you how do you say this in Kapampangan "Can we all just
get along!!!!", assuming you don't speak Kapampangan (I don't even know the
Kapampangan word for assuming, maybe the Kapampangans can help me out).
Please, understand what I am trying to say. Can you translate it (that's
another word I can't translate to Kapampangan).

"What ever I do here to make comments, it doesn't have anything to do with my
job. This is my own opinion"
"James Erwin B Estoque, Sra"
"Romans 8:28"
" S2K

[Johnny Thor]

It is not dividing a nation at all! It is merely a case of a specific
aspect of Philippine culture which is being in focus on the proposed
newsgroup. Just as there is a specific newsgroup for Lea Salonga fans.

JT

TiktakBoy <tikt...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970327132...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

[Avita de la Cruz]

Gil Malonzo wrote:
>
> Proposal for newsgroup
> unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan
>

> For your newsgroups file:
> alt.language.kapampangan kapampangan language and culture.
>
> Follow-up to: alt.config
>
> RATIONAL
> There is a growing number of Kapampangans who contribute to
> the discussions in soc.culture.filipino. Many Kapampangans
> long to discuss issues and their culture. There are now
> hundreds of Kapampangans around the world who have access
> to usenet newsgroups and other interested parties who would benefit
> from this group. Presently there exists a Kapampangan mailing
> list with approximately more than a hundred subscribers.
> Although this number is small, the list is not well-known
> in the Filipino or Kapampangan internet community.
> The Kapampangan mailing list address is:
> KAPAMP...@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>
> The mailing list is very active. To search our archives
> please visit this site at:
>
> http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=KAPAMP...@home.ease.lsoft.com
>
> The Kapampangan Homepage is at http://www.balen.net

>
> CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
> This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
> anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
> and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
> group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
> the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
> will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
> the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
> limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
> mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
> expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
> discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
> On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
> economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
> Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)
> are welcomed and encouraged.
>

> Binary files should not be posted to this group. Commercial
> posts (advertisements, looking for Filipinas, SPAM, MAKE.MONEY.
> FAST, etc) are also not appropriate for this newsgroup.
>
> This has been posted to alt.config, soc.culture.filipino,
> and the Kapampangan mailing list.
>
> Absent any significant problems, We propose a group creation
> date of March 31, 1997 at which time we will post a summary of when
> we proposed the newsgroup, and the ensuing discussion. Please post
> comments and/or suggestions to alt.config prior to this date.
>
> Proponent: gh...@calweb.com (Gil Malonzo II)
> Proponent: daj...@bway.net (David Nepomuceno)
> http://www.balen.netI support the creation of a Kapampangan Newsgroup.
--
The World Bank, 1818 H St. NW, Washington DC 20433, U.S.A.
http://www.worldbank.org +1(202)477-1234

[dave...@erols.com]

In article <19970327132...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

tikt...@aol.com (TiktakBoy) wrote:
>
> It is also a very good way of dividing a newsgroup, like dividing a
> nation.
>
> Tiktak

Mr. Tiktak,

I advise you to direct your potshots at the REAL separatists in the
Philippines -- those who in REAL life foment separation of their region
and forming their own country.

Dave Nepomuceno (no alias)

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

In article mana...@san-jose.ate.slb.com wrote:

> I SUPPORT THE CREATION OF alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
> I BELIEVE THIS NEWSGROUP WILL BE A GOOD VEHICLE FOR OUR
> CHILDREN, WHO WERE BORN OR GREW UP AWAY FROM HOME.
> THIS IS THEIR ONLY LINK TO THEIR ROOTS AND ORIGIN, HISTORY
> PRESENT AND FUTURE.... LET'S GO AND MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!!
>

I hope you and everybody concerned takes these comments in a positive
way:

1. Isn't what you said above the PURPOSE OF SCF?
2. This thread has been going on for a short while but I HAVE NOT SEEN
ANY FAQ.
3. Think about this: ARE the ANGELES patrons supposed to be in this
new newsgroup(NG)?
(you or anybody concerned do not have to think out loudly, matalino ang pinoy)
4. Do you have a group of say 200 people that will support the "LIFE"
of this newsgroup? Did you know that www.filipina.xxx once belonged to a
well known magazine now but was "abandoned" and was taken over by you know
who and see what happened now? Do you or those concerned want this to happen
IF there isnt enough participants?? Are you personally volunteering for the
life of this new NG to see to it that this new NG does not get an unwanted
reputation??
5. What about SCF?? We really do not know what will be the impact in terms of
participation. Are we going to be leaving it to an unknown fate? I think
there are NOT ENOUGH quality participants as it is.
6. I hope we are not seeing a NINGAS KUGON.
7. Pampangga or the Tagalog region is NOT the Philippines, ITS the whole
collection of regions. The goal is ISANG BANSA AT ISANG DIWA. If we cant
get along in ONE CULTURAL NG where NO SINGLE PERSON ALWAYS HAS THE MIC
(MICROPHONE), HOW CAN WE GET ALONG OUTSIDE?? It is NOT RUDE to post
any dialect used in the RP in the filipino cultural NG. But WE have one goal.
(I dont mind learning kapampangan, if I think its necessary...)
8. If there are conflicts justifying a new NG, I have not read it.
The doors of SCF are always OPEN for discussion, its unmoderated.
Lets discuss them. Lets not be like the outside world where the only solution
is to create another group....and another group....and another group....

I have a lot of respect for the kapampangans, in fact all of the filipinos
(even the crazy ones who fell when they were a baby) but unless it can be
substantiated that this new NG will LIVE its purpose, I must vote against
it. We cant even make this NG focused (yet)....THERE ARE POSTERS TRYING,
LETS HELP THEM, EACH OTHER, ITS OUR NG....A FILIPINO NG!

PS *****EMPHASIZE the WE and OUR*******

for personal reply use: kama...@pacbell.net

[Paul Kekai Manansala]

In article <*kamagong*-28039708...@ppp-206-170-30-187.hywr01.pacbell.net>,

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>In article mana...@san-jose.ate.slb.com wrote:
>
>> I SUPPORT THE CREATION OF alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
>> I BELIEVE THIS NEWSGROUP WILL BE A GOOD VEHICLE FOR OUR
>> CHILDREN, WHO WERE BORN OR GREW UP AWAY FROM HOME.
>> THIS IS THEIR ONLY LINK TO THEIR ROOTS AND ORIGIN, HISTORY
>> PRESENT AND FUTURE.... LET'S GO AND MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!!
>>

>[clip]

>I have a lot of respect for the kapampangans, in fact all of the filipinos
>(even the crazy ones who fell when they were a baby) but unless it can be
>substantiated that this new NG will LIVE its purpose, I must vote against
>it. We cant even make this NG focused (yet)....THERE ARE POSTERS TRYING,
>LETS HELP THEM, EACH OTHER, ITS OUR NG....A FILIPINO NG!
>

This newsgroup is not an appropriate one for the subject of Kapampangan
language and culture. I'm sure most would not appreciate extensive threads
on that subject. So far, Kapampangans have created an active mailing list,
Kapampangan-L, and have various homepages devoted to Kampampangan language
and culture.

As you say above, there are posters trying to keep this ng focused. This
would not include postings in Kapampangan. The example I can think of
are the numerous groups centered around the culture of India. They
have soc.culture.indian, but also many regional ngs like soc.culture.bengali,
soc.culture.tamil, soc.culture.punjab, etc. People can't even post in
Tagalog on this ng without a controversy brewing up.

All the best,

(___)
\_/ Paul Kekai Manansala

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

In article <5hgi67$qk_...@news.csus.edu>, pmana...@csus.edu (Paul Kekai
Manansala) wrote:

> This newsgroup is not an appropriate one for the subject of Kapampangan
> language and culture.

Why?? Isn't a Kapampangan a Filipino also??
Culturally, I want to know if there is a distinction.

> I'm sure most would not appreciate extensive threads
> on that subject. So far, Kapampangans have created an active mailing list,

Just like posts that cannot be understood due to language, they can be ignored
by those that are not concerned. I myself do not mind these posts, since they
are part of the FILIPINO culture. Its within the scope of the SCF FAQ.

> Kapampangan-L, and have various homepages devoted to Kampampangan language
> and culture.

Having mailing lists and various homepages DO NOT indicate active
participation in a NG.

>
> As you say above, there are posters trying to keep this ng focused. This
> would not include postings in Kapampangan. The example I can think of

Again, why not? Pampanguenos are still Filipinos.

> are the numerous groups centered around the culture of India. They
> have soc.culture.indian, but also many regional ngs like soc.culture.bengali,
> soc.culture.tamil, soc.culture.punjab, etc.

One difference, they already have a UNIFIED group that help each other.
(My personal opinion and observation).

> People can't even post in
> Tagalog on this ng without a controversy brewing up.

And why would you leave this SCF to people opposed to it. If one is Filipino
or is interested in the culture this is common sense....but alas, it seems
that it is not SO common. Some people fell on their heads and some were not
fortunate enough to learn ANY native language but are willing to learn.

Some people DONT give any slack at all, they TOLERATE the wrong thing.
But if we did not have any of these, it would not be a NG. You will always
have a ONE WAY opinion.

What makes you so sure that this same controversy: Its rude to post in
Kapampangan will not appear in the new NG?

If SCF has a problem, solve it here, CLOSE the DOOR. Nobody leaves until
the issue is settled. One of the advantages of any NG is that you cant
see the color/race of the poster. All WE should know is that WE are among
FILIPINOS and FRIENDS. IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR OPINION STAND FOR IT.

(NOTE THE ADDITION OF FRIENDS, FRIENDS ARE WELCOME AND THEY DO HAVE GOOD
VIEWPOINTS)

I stand by my previous post on this thread. I am sick and tired of
segregation which in most cases were brought about by OLD ISSUES/THINKING which
no longer have any PRESENT relevance. WE are ALL FILIPINOS and this is
how WE should think, IF WE are to make a difference.

NEW THINKING:
There is no such thing as a Kapampangan, Ilocano, tagalog...etc..
THERE IS A FILIPINO.

Think about my previous post(s).....don't sweep it under the rug!

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

In article JC WALY wrote:
>
> Halimbawa kutnangan daka nung nanu ya king Kapampangan ing "Can we all just
> get along!!!!!!!", assuming you don't speak Kapampangan (see I don't even know
> how to translate that. Nung malyari sana ayntindyan me ing buri kung sabyan.
> A-translate me kaya.

Cant understand some of it, but can gather the meaning somehow...maybe wrong
on what it means but as long as I am aware that if I want a precise translation
to get an authoritative resource.

The good thing about this post for me is that somehow it gives a feeling
of the Filipino presence. Nostalgia??

one opinion only.

[Gil Malonzo]

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:

> 2. This thread has been going on for a short while but I HAVE NOT SEEN
> ANY FAQ.

This thread has only been going on since the start
of the discussion period which was last Friday,
March 22. The discussion will end on the group
creation date of March 31st. FAQ's (Frequently
Asked Questions) are not found on NG proposals.
I suggest you look at the charter of the proposal
to learn more as to why a.l.k. is being proposed.
If this original proposal have expired on your
server, visit Dejanews at http://www.dejanews.com
and search for it. Dejanews archives all NG
postings longer than any server on the USENET.

> 3. Think about this: ARE the ANGELES patrons supposed to be in this
> new newsgroup(NG)?
> (you or anybody concerned do not have to think out loudly, matalino ang pinoy)

Think about this? DO ANGELEN~OS speak Kapampangan?
Would they probably post to a.l.k. if they had
access to newsgroups? They don't have to but
I think they might. The proposed NG is not for
Kapampangan speaking people alone. We have non-K
speaking individuals some even expert linguists
who participate in the discussions at the K-List.

(Am I thinking loud enough for you?)

> 4. Do you have a group of say 200 people that will support the "LIFE"
> of this newsgroup? Did you know that www.filipina.xxx once belonged to a
> well known magazine now but was "abandoned" and was taken over by you know
> who and see what happened now? Do you or those concerned want this to happen
> IF there isnt enough participants?? Are you personally volunteering for the
> life of this new NG to see to it that this new NG does not get an unwanted
> reputation??

200? Visit the Balen On-Line directory
at http://www.balen.net. Add these people with
the current subscribers of the Kapampangan
mailing list. We have more than what you are
asking for. 200 is not even what is needed to
successfully create an NG. You don't
understand the NG creation process so I suggest
you stop guessing and throwing numbers around.
"LIFE of a newsgroup" -- where did you get this
mumbo jumbo?

Just because you don't see K-words being spoken
at s.c.f. means that there are not even enough
Kapampangans who have access to Usenet NG's.
You might be surprised.

This www.filipina.xxx that you are referring to
is a webpage. I think you're getting confused
with www and NG. Why I am even bothering to
explain this to you gets me wondering already.

> 5. What about SCF?? We really do not know what will be the impact in terms of
> participation. Are we going to be leaving it to an unknown fate? I think
> there are NOT ENOUGH quality participants as it is.

Just because another NG is being created doesn't
mean that Filipinos will stop posting at SCF.
SCF will survive. "Alt" newsgroups are nothing
compared to soc. and other big eight hierarchy
NG's.

> 6. I hope we are not seeing a NINGAS KUGON.

I hope so too (whatever it means).

> 7. Pampangga or the Tagalog region is NOT the Philippines, ITS the whole
> collection of regions. The goal is ISANG BANSA AT ISANG DIWA. If we cant
> get along in ONE CULTURAL NG where NO SINGLE PERSON ALWAYS HAS THE MIC
> (MICROPHONE), HOW CAN WE GET ALONG OUTSIDE?? It is NOT RUDE to post
> any dialect used in the RP in the filipino cultural NG. But WE have one goal.
> (I dont mind learning kapampangan, if I think its necessary...)

<yawn>

> 8. If there are conflicts justifying a new NG, I have not read it.
> The doors of SCF are always OPEN for discussion, its unmoderated.
> Lets discuss them. Lets not be like the outside world where the only solution
> is to create another group....and another group....and another group....

Listen. The kapampangan newsgroup is being proposed in
the "alt" hierarchy. If we ever succeed in getting it
created the propogation will probably be slow at best.
It might take months before it even appears on your
server. *It might not even appear at all*. Not all
"alt" newsgroups are carried by news servers. If one
wanted to post to a.l.k. he/she may have to
request the NG added on their server. So relax.

I don't know why you and some others keep bringing
up divisions among Filipinos just because a specific
topic focused NG is being created. On the other hand,
knowing people like you who just can't get it is
enough of a reason for me to make a.l.k. moderated
instead of unmoderated as soon as it gets created.

> I have a lot of respect for the kapampangans, in fact all of the filipinos
> (even the crazy ones who fell when they were a baby)

Some respect you have there pal.

> substantiated that this new NG will LIVE its purpose, I must vote against
> it. We cant even make this NG focused (yet)....THERE ARE POSTERS TRYING,
> LETS HELP THEM, EACH OTHER, ITS OUR NG....A FILIPINO NG!

There is NO VOTING necessary in the process of creating
"alt" newsgroups. Your comments are well-taken by
USENET admins, though. Positive or negative - all
opinions are welcomed. So, in a way, I appreciate
your participation in the discussion.

--
Gil Malonzo II
gh...@calweb.com
gmal...@sj.chwmf.com

[Eric E. Mallo]

Armando A.B. Regala wrote:
>
> Manolo Gatbonton wrote:
> >
> > I support this proposal, This would facilitate discussions about Kapampangan
> > culture and its language.

> >
> > Gil Malonzo wrote:
> > >
> > > Proposal for newsgroup
> > > unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan
> > >

> > > CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
> > > This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
> > > anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
> > > and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
> > > group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
> > > the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
> > > will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
> > > the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
> > > limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
> > > mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
> > > expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
> > > discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
> > > On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
> > > economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
> > > Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)

> > > are welcomed and encouraged.(snip)I support the establishment of the alt.language.kapampangan Newsgroup.
> As a Kapampangan and a Kapampangan speaker I look forward to being able
> to participate in this proposed newsgroup.
>
> Mandy RegalaI am not sure if I followed the instruction correctly, but I would like
to express my support for this Kapampangan newsgroup.

[Paul Kekai Manansala]

In article <*kamagong*-28039710...@ppp-206-170-30-61.hywr01.pacbell.net>,

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>In article <5hgi67$qk_...@news.csus.edu>, pmana...@csus.edu (Paul Kekai
>Manansala) wrote:
>
>> This newsgroup is not an appropriate one for the subject of Kapampangan
>> language and culture.
>
>Why?? Isn't a Kapampangan a Filipino also??
>Culturally, I want to know if there is a distinction.
>

Simple. Because most Filipinos do not speak Kapampangan. Also, because
soc.culture.filipino is for broader topics than the Kapampangan language.

>> I'm sure most would not appreciate extensive threads
>> on that subject. So far, Kapampangans have created an active mailing list,
>
>Just like posts that cannot be understood due to language, they can be ignored
>by those that are not concerned. I myself do not mind these posts, since they
>are part of the FILIPINO culture. Its within the scope of the SCF FAQ.
>

That's not how Usenet is supposed to work. New groups are created which focus
on particular subjects. It would be chaos if people from different regions
starting posting in their own dialects.

>> Kapampangan-L, and have various homepages devoted to Kampampangan language
>> and culture.
>
>Having mailing lists and various homepages DO NOT indicate active
> participation in a NG.
>

What else can we use as indicators? One of the reasons we are making this
proposal is to drum up support for this new group.

>>
>> As you say above, there are posters trying to keep this ng focused. This
>> would not include postings in Kapampangan. The example I can think of
>
>Again, why not? Pampanguenos are still Filipinos.
>

Again, because most Filipinos do not speak Kapampangan, and because this
group is not focused on Kapampangan culture.

>> are the numerous groups centered around the culture of India. They
>> have soc.culture.indian, but also many regional ngs like soc.culture.bengali,
>> soc.culture.tamil, soc.culture.punjab, etc.
>
>One difference, they already have a UNIFIED group that help each other.
>(My personal opinion and observation).
>

We also have soc.culture.filipino. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Indians are not all unified. Take a visit to soc.culture.indian. They
are always fighting with each other. How do you determine when we have
a UNIFIED group?

>> People can't even post in
>> Tagalog on this ng without a controversy brewing up.
>
>And why would you leave this SCF to people opposed to it. If one is Filipino
>or is interested in the culture this is common sense....but alas, it seems
>that it is not SO common. Some people fell on their heads and some were not
>fortunate enough to learn ANY native language but are willing to learn.
>

Who said anything about leaving SCF? We are proposing the formation of
a new group based on Kapampangan language and culture!

>Some people DONT give any slack at all, they TOLERATE the wrong thing.
>But if we did not have any of these, it would not be a NG. You will always
>have a ONE WAY opinion.
>
>What makes you so sure that this same controversy: Its rude to post in
>Kapampangan will not appear in the new NG?
>

Who cares? Kapampangan posts will be on topic there. I'm more concerned
about the posters interested in Kapampangan culture than other people's
opinions. Very few of us would feel comfortable having detailed discussions
on Kapampangan culture, or posting in Kapampangan on this ng.

>If SCF has a problem, solve it here, CLOSE the DOOR. Nobody leaves until
>the issue is settled. One of the advantages of any NG is that you cant
>see the color/race of the poster. All WE should know is that WE are among
>FILIPINOS and FRIENDS. IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR OPINION STAND FOR IT.
>

I do not believe in posting in Kampampangan or having detailed cultural K
discussions on this ng. It is not appropriate. You are expressing your
beliefs only.

>(NOTE THE ADDITION OF FRIENDS, FRIENDS ARE WELCOME AND THEY DO HAVE GOOD
>VIEWPOINTS)
>
>I stand by my previous post on this thread. I am sick and tired of
>segregation which in most cases were brought about by OLD ISSUES/THINKING which
>no longer have any PRESENT relevance. WE are ALL FILIPINOS and this is
>how WE should think, IF WE are to make a difference.
>

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Your attitude is not very tolerant.
And I don't buy all this unity stuff either. What does creation of Kapampangan
ng have to do with Filipino unity? It is not logical to suggest it hurts
Filipino unity in any way.

>NEW THINKING:
>There is no such thing as a Kapampangan, Ilocano, tagalog...etc..
>THERE IS A FILIPINO.
>

Bad thinking. All these groups have their own value. I certainly am
not willing to sacrifice my identity in the name of someone else's
ideology. Save the slogans. I doubt if they would appeal to most
Filipinos. The Philippines will survive by mutual respect of all cultures.
I respect and want to see all cultures in the Philippines flourish.
Filipino culture can coexist with regional cultures, but it *cannot*
replace them.

[dave...@erols.com]

To address kamagong's concerns:

1. The purpose of SCF vis-a-vis ALK

The SCF is for topics that pertain to the Philippines and Filipinos IN
GENERAL and on the national level. The proposed ALK is for topics that
pertain to the Kapampangan Region and Kapampangans in particular.

2. For now, The PROPOSAL, seen at the top of this thread, serves as the
FAQ. The proposal contains the Charter of the proposed newsgroup and
other pertinent information.

3. I'm not sure what you mean by "the ANGELES patrons." If you are
referring to the investors at Clark a lot of whom are non-Filipino and/or
non-Kapampangan, then my answer is YES, they are included in this
newsgroup. In the Kapampangan-L Mailing List, Clark is a frequently
discussed topic and foreigners are free to join in on the discussions.

4. These are very good questions that you have given us to reflect on.
We have many focused, devoted and responsible members on the K-List who
are willing and able to watch over the health of this newsgroup. Our
plan is to start it off as an unmoderated newsgroup and then convert it
later to a moderated newsgroup. Some have already volunteered to be
moderators.

5. I am flattered that you think that Kapampangans moving to a newsgroup
of their own may affect the SCF. Just because one sub-group of people
establishes a new mode of communication among themselves does not mean
that they will stay away from discussions going on in the main group, the
national level. Also, I foresee that there will be fairly frequent
cross-posting between the two newsgroups. I tend to agree with Paul
Manansala that "SCF will survive." Even better, the effect of this on
the SCF could actually turn out to be very positive. First of all, there
is the effect of competition, which tends to improve the quality of the
products of all competing parties and in the end, everybody wins. As you
yourself admit that the SCF has "focus" problems, the creation of the ALK
will help improve the focus because now topics and discussions that
pertain the the Kapampangan Region and Clark will be offloaded from the
SCF. This will allow the SCF to concentrate on discussions that are
pertinent on the national level.

6. We have had an over-active and constantly growing Kapampangan-L
Mailing List since September '95 -- that's 18 months of steady, non-stop
managed growth. The ALK is an outgrowth of the dream of K-List members
to have an alternate means of exchanging ideas due to the unsuitability
of a mailing list for a more participative mode of communication.
Because of the "push" nature of a mailing-list, a lot of people feel
constrained to participate because they do not want to contribute to the
deluge of mail that everybody is generating and receiving. The ALK is
based on long-range plans outlined way back in Feb. 96, so this not a
Ningas Kugon, sperm-of-the-moment (pardon the pun) thing.

7. The goal is ISANG BANSA ISANG DIWA, but this does not necessarily
mean giving up one's language, culture and individuality. And having a
separate newsgroup for each region does not in any way indicate that we
cannot get along. Far from it.

8. You're right, there are no conflicts that motivate the creation of
ALK. This is a very pro-active plan on our part, it is not reactionary
nor retaliatory. It is not being created to spite the SCF or the SCFers.
We have much respect too for our brother-Tagalogs, Cebuanos, Ilocanos,
Maranaos, etc. and we have put the country's interests above ours for the
past 30 years. Kapampangans have lost themselves to the national cause
for the past 30 years in the nation's struggle against dictatorship and
in the ensuing national effort to get the country back on the road to
prosperity. We have emphasized the WE and the OUR. Now, we need some
time and space to take care of what we have neglected in these past 30
years -- our own language and culture. The ALK will be an infirmary,
where the K language and culture can be nurtured and nursed back to
health.

Dave Nepomuceno

In article
<*kamagong*-28039708...@ppp-206-170-30-187.hywr01.pacbell.net>,
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:

> I hope you and everybody concerned takes these comments in a positive
> way:
>
> 1. Isn't what you said above the PURPOSE OF SCF?

> 2. This thread has been going on for a short while but I HAVE NOT SEEN
> ANY FAQ.

> 3. Think about this: ARE the ANGELES patrons supposed to be in this
> new newsgroup(NG)?
> (you or anybody concerned do not have to think out loudly, matalino ang pinoy)

> 4. Do you have a group of say 200 people that will support the "LIFE"
> of this newsgroup? Did you know that www.filipina.xxx once belonged to a
> well known magazine now but was "abandoned" and was taken over by you know
> who and see what happened now? Do you or those concerned want this to happen
> IF there isnt enough participants?? Are you personally volunteering for the
> life of this new NG to see to it that this new NG does not get an unwanted
> reputation??

> 5. What about SCF?? We really do not know what will be the impact in terms of
> participation. Are we going to be leaving it to an unknown fate? I think
> there are NOT ENOUGH quality participants as it is.

> 6. I hope we are not seeing a NINGAS KUGON.

> 7. Pampangga or the Tagalog region is NOT the Philippines, ITS the whole
> collection of regions. The goal is ISANG BANSA AT ISANG DIWA. If we cant
> get along in ONE CULTURAL NG where NO SINGLE PERSON ALWAYS HAS THE MIC
> (MICROPHONE), HOW CAN WE GET ALONG OUTSIDE?? It is NOT RUDE to post
> any dialect used in the RP in the filipino cultural NG. But WE have one goal.
> (I dont mind learning kapampangan, if I think its necessary...)

> 8. If there are conflicts justifying a new NG, I have not read it.
> The doors of SCF are always OPEN for discussion, its unmoderated.
> Lets discuss them. Lets not be like the outside world where the only solution
> is to create another group....and another group....and another group....
>

> I have a lot of respect for the kapampangans, in fact all of the filipinos

> (even the crazy ones who fell when they were a baby) but unless it can be

> substantiated that this new NG will LIVE its purpose, I must vote against
> it. We cant even make this NG focused (yet)....THERE ARE POSTERS TRYING,
> LETS HELP THEM, EACH OTHER, ITS OUR NG....A FILIPINO NG!
>

> PS *****EMPHASIZE the WE and OUR*******
>
> for personal reply use: kama...@pacbell.net

-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

Before I continue my response to this ongoing discussion let me say
again. Think of my response POSITIVELY (as a CONSTRUCTIVE comment):

In article <333C7F...@calweb.com>, gh...@calweb.com wrote:

> *kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>
Whatever happened to comment no. 1 which I restate again:

{In article mana...@san-jose.ate.slb.com wrote:

> I SUPPORT THE CREATION OF alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup.
> I BELIEVE THIS NEWSGROUP WILL BE A GOOD VEHICLE FOR OUR
> CHILDREN, WHO WERE BORN OR GREW UP AWAY FROM HOME.
> THIS IS THEIR ONLY LINK TO THEIR ROOTS AND ORIGIN, HISTORY
> PRESENT AND FUTURE.... LET'S GO AND MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!!
>

I hope you and everybody concerned takes these comments in a positive
way:

1. Isn't what you said above the PURPOSE OF SCF? }

You never affirmed or denied it, why?

> > 2. This thread has been going on for a short while but I HAVE NOT SEEN
> > ANY FAQ.
>
> This thread has only been going on since the start
> of the discussion period which was last Friday,
> March 22.

Thats why I said it was short.

[cut]

> I suggest you look at the charter of the proposal
> to learn more as to why a.l.k. is being proposed.

Ok here's what I found after wading through other posts.
Reposted here for any other that may have missed it like me.
If there is more please be kind enough to add.

CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)
are welcomed and encouraged.

[cut]

I have a feeling you dont want any comments on this charter so I won't.

>
>
> > 3. Think about this: ARE the ANGELES patrons supposed to be in this
> > new newsgroup(NG)?

[cut]

> Think about this? DO ANGELEN~OS speak Kapampangan?

[cutx]

I guess you only read SCF occassionally. Do a search on
*Angeles* in your Deja News for what I mean.
You may regret what you have just said and I [cutx].

>
> > 4. Do you have a group of say 200 people that will support the "LIFE"

> > of this newsgroup? Did you know that www.[cut]

>
> 200? Visit the Balen On-Line directory
> at http://www.balen.net. Add these people with
> the current subscribers of the Kapampangan
> mailing list.

Again mailing list do not constitute active NG participants. There is a high
percentage of lurkers too.

> We have more than what you are
> asking for.

I am not asking for anything. I am not GOD. I am the same as anybody else
here expressing an opinion.

> 200 is not even what is needed to
> successfully create an NG.

I never claimed to be an authority in NG creation. I leave it up to
hardworking volunteers like you that have genuine interest in this sort of
thing.
It was not the NG creation I was talking about but the "LIFE" after creation.

> You don't
> understand the NG creation process so I suggest
> you stop guessing and throwing numbers around.

You are right I dont and I dont claim to. Thats why I ask. I suggest numbers
as an OPINION and not a fact in this case as a CATALYST for discussion.
So, what is your number for active participation?

> "LIFE of a newsgroup" -- where did you get this
> mumbo jumbo?

Well, from my VIRTUAL DICTIONARY,
how would YOU call active participation after NG creation by people?

>
> Just because you don't see K-words being spoken
> at s.c.f. means that there are not even enough
> Kapampangans who have access to Usenet NG's.
> You might be surprised.

Ok surprise me, but dont bomb my e-mail ;o) BTW, I never said there
ARE not enough. I am asking if there will be enough (LIFE).

>
[cut]

> with www and NG. Why I am even bothering to
> explain this to you gets me wondering already.

Same here, but here goes anyway, if by chance the unmoderated NG AFTER
creation does not get enough volume of posters (LIFE), can
somebody/some organization/a group of posters make use of
your efforts/good intentions to lets say *for example* make its content
BAR talk of Angeles? and give it life by participation of other posters.

Think long term now...not short term.

>
> > 5. What about SCF?? We really do not know what will be the impact in
terms of
> > participation. Are we going to be leaving it to an unknown fate? I think
> > there are NOT ENOUGH quality participants as it is.
>
> Just because another NG is being created doesn't
> mean that Filipinos will stop posting at SCF.
> SCF will survive. "Alt" newsgroups are nothing
> compared to soc. and other big eight hierarchy
> NG's.

Your guess ia as good as mine. Since I'm one of those that dont understand
hierarchy
explain, please. BTW, when you do can you tell me why the alt poster cant
post in SCF
the same thing?

> > 6. I hope we are not seeing a NINGAS KUGON.
>
> I hope so too (whatever it means).
>
> > 7. Pampangga or the Tagalog region is NOT the Philippines, ITS the whole
> > collection of regions. The goal is ISANG BANSA AT ISANG DIWA. If we cant
> > get along in ONE CULTURAL NG where NO SINGLE PERSON ALWAYS HAS THE MIC
> > (MICROPHONE), HOW CAN WE GET ALONG OUTSIDE?? It is NOT RUDE to post
> > any dialect used in the RP in the filipino cultural NG. But WE have
one goal.

[cut]
>
> <yawn>

Thats all??? A <yawn>, I must admit that I did not expect this reaction from
an organizer(?) I'm glad I'm awake with topics I take SERIOUSLY.

>
> > 8. If there are conflicts justifying a new NG, I have not read it.
> > The doors of SCF are always OPEN for discussion, its unmoderated.
> > Lets discuss them. Lets not be like the outside world where the only
solution
> > is to create another group....and another group....and another group....
>
> Listen. The kapampangan newsgroup is being proposed in
> the "alt" hierarchy. If we ever succeed in getting it

So let it be a real proposal with non-conflicting objectives. Making it "alt"
may make it different in name only.

[cut]

> wanted to post to a.l.k. he/she may have to
> request the NG added on their server. So relax.

I am relaxed. If the purpose was clear and non-conflicting, I would not be
asking.
That is all I am doing - asking.

>
> I don't know why you and some others keep bringing
> up divisions among Filipinos just because a specific
> topic focused NG is being created.

This indicates that the intent of a.l.k. is not clear enough. You specific
focused topic may not be that focused. What is it again??
BTW, I never said division in ANY of my posts - yet, I said another group....
and another group....and another group... Division is something that I reserve
when I have enough information myself.

> On the other hand,
> knowing people like you who just can't get it is
> enough of a reason for me to make a.l.k. moderated
> instead of unmoderated as soon as it gets created.

There you go, you are the GOD. Forget about other opinions in a proposal.
Lutuuin mo na lang. Just NOTIFY and close for the record.

>
>
> > I have a lot of respect for the kapampangans, in fact all of the filipinos
> > (even the crazy ones who fell when they were a baby)
>
> Some respect you have there pal.

Pal?? YOU really havent been in SCF, so guess I wont be missing your posts.

>
> > substantiated that this new NG will LIVE its purpose, I must vote against
> > it. We cant even make this NG focused (yet)....THERE ARE POSTERS TRYING,
> > LETS HELP THEM, EACH OTHER, ITS OUR NG....A FILIPINO NG!
>
> There is NO VOTING necessary in the process of creating
> "alt" newsgroups. Your comments are well-taken by

So make it a NOTICE OF CREATION not a proposal. Why waste discussion time.

> USENET admins, though. Positive or negative - all
> opinions are welcomed. So, in a way, I appreciate
> your participation in the discussion.

If you really mean it, I thank you too.

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

In article <5hhns4$1e4...@news.csus.edu>, pmana...@csus.edu (Paul Kekai
Manansala) wrote:

> In article <*kamagong*-28039710...@ppp-206-170-30-61.hywr01.pacbell.net>,
> *kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:

[cut]

> >Why?? Isn't a Kapampangan a Filipino also??
> >Culturally, I want to know if there is a distinction.
> >
>
> Simple. Because most Filipinos do not speak Kapampangan. Also, because
> soc.culture.filipino is for broader topics than the Kapampangan language.

If its simple, then give an example that is specific to the kapampangan culture
in a language we can understand.

[cut]

>
> That's not how Usenet is supposed to work. New groups are created which focus
> on particular subjects. It would be chaos if people from different regions
> starting posting in their own dialects.

I dont believe there ARE enough posters, lurkers maybe. Besides mixed
languages just like in the RP are NORMAL.
So which particular subjects in a.l.k. have a different subject focus.

>
[cut]

> >Having mailing lists and various homepages DO NOT indicate active
> > participation in a NG.
> >
>
> What else can we use as indicators? One of the reasons we are making this
> proposal is to drum up support for this new group.

Better make sure first that its still a proposal. Otherwise its a NOTICE.

>
[cut]

> >
>
> Again, because most Filipinos do not speak Kapampangan, and because this
> group is not focused on Kapampangan culture.

WHAT IS SO UNIQUE ABOUT KAPAMPANGAN CULTURE?
The language IS UNIQUE but what else?
[caps for emphasis - not shouting]

>
[cut]

> >One difference, they already have a UNIFIED group that help each other.
> >(My personal opinion and observation).
> >
>
> We also have soc.culture.filipino. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[cut]
Depending on where you are located in the US, take a look who are the new
minorities around you that have H1 visas.

> are always fighting with each other. How do you determine when we have
> a UNIFIED group?

This is a very subjective question, I cant answer at this time, ask me
again sometime or MAYBE I'll just post it.

>
[cut]

> >
> >And why would you leave this SCF to people opposed to it. If one is Filipino

[cut]

> >
>
> Who said anything about leaving SCF? We are proposing the formation of
> a new group based on Kapampangan language and culture!

Ok leaving may not be the right word, maybe DECREASE the participation.
On the average, in a Filipino discussion group how many threads can you
normally participate in? If you get stuck in a supposed to be SIMPLE
and COMMON SENSE topic [not this one], you may not have time for the
other NG. Its a time management problem, besides a possible ACCESS problem.

>
> >Some people DONT give any slack at all, they TOLERATE the wrong thing.
> >But if we did not have any of these, it would not be a NG. You will always
> >have a ONE WAY opinion.
> >
> >What makes you so sure that this same controversy: Its rude to post in
> >Kapampangan will not appear in the new NG?
> >
>
> Who cares? Kapampangan posts will be on topic there. I'm more concerned

You mean if its Kapampangan ONLY, that you will CARE?
That's your prerogative.

> about the posters interested in Kapampangan culture than other people's
> opinions. Very few of us would feel comfortable having detailed discussions
> on Kapampangan culture, or posting in Kapampangan on this ng.

Why?????
For me understanding kapampangan or any culture would promote more
understanding between Filipinos and friends.

> >If SCF has a problem, solve it here, CLOSE the DOOR. Nobody leaves until
> >the issue is settled. One of the advantages of any NG is that you cant
> >see the color/race of the poster. All WE should know is that WE are among
> >FILIPINOS and FRIENDS. IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR OPINION STAND FOR IT.
> >
>
> I do not believe in posting in Kampampangan or having detailed cultural K
> discussions on this ng. It is not appropriate. You are expressing your
> beliefs only.

It is not appropriate because....???

>
[cut]

> >no longer have any PRESENT relevance. WE are ALL FILIPINOS and this is
> >how WE should think, IF WE are to make a difference.
> >
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Your attitude is not very tolerant.

What I am getting from you is that I should tolerate that kapampangans
are different from Filipinos....right? You ARE right, when I introduce
someone here in the US, I call him a Filipino not kapampangan, I DONT
tolerate the DIFFERENCE. In the RP it may be different.

> And I don't buy all this unity stuff either. What does creation of
Kapampangan
> ng have to do with Filipino unity? It is not logical to suggest it hurts
> Filipino unity in any way.

Initially, maybe nothing....as a means of mutual understanding eventually ...
a lot.

>
>
> >NEW THINKING:
> >There is no such thing as a Kapampangan, Ilocano, tagalog...etc..
> >THERE IS A FILIPINO.
> >
>
> Bad thinking. All these groups have their own value. I certainly am

I hope I am not misinterpreting you but here goes.
Ok, when someone INSULTS the FILIPINO, you are not affected???
Why, you are kapampangan, not FILIPINO?
BTW, all of my opinions are living in a foreign land perspective.

> not willing to sacrifice my identity in the name of someone else's

Identity, so when I meet you, I should say you are Kapampangan not
Filipino?

> ideology. Save the slogans. I doubt if they would appeal to most
> Filipinos.

Which Filipinos are you refering to this time?

>The Philippines will survive by mutual respect of all cultures.
> I respect and want to see all cultures in the Philippines flourish.
> Filipino culture can coexist with regional cultures, but it *cannot*
> replace them.

Filipino culture, regional culture...what is this???
To me Filipino culture embraces all the regional cultures overall. It does
not REPLACE THEM.
So where is the UNITY after what you said?

BTW, no insults ever intended....just a simple discussion.
If anything its more of FRUSTRATION.

ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST ONE OPINION AMONG MANY.

[Gil Malonzo]

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:

> Whatever happened to comment no. 1 which I restate again:
>

> 1. Isn't what you said above the PURPOSE OF SCF? }
>
> You never affirmed or denied it, why?
>

Simple. Because I did not want to. It did not
interest me.

> Thats why I said it was short.

You said you never saw a FAQ too. I explained
that FAQ's are not part of the proposals.

> Reposted here for any other that may have missed it like me.
> If there is more please be kind enough to add.
>
> CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
> This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
> anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
> and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
> group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
> the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
> will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
> the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
> limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
> mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
> expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
> discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
> On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
> economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
> Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)
> are welcomed and encouraged.
>
> [cut]
>
> I have a feeling you dont want any comments on this charter so I won't.

Stop making assumptions and re-read the charter again.
Comment to your hearts content. Do you see any phrase
in the charter stating that we intend to divide the
Filipinos?

> > > 3. Think about this: ARE the ANGELES patrons supposed to be in this
> > > new newsgroup(NG)?
>
> [cut]
> > Think about this? DO ANGELEN~OS speak Kapampangan?
> [cutx]
>
> I guess you only read SCF occassionally. Do a search on
> *Angeles* in your Deja News for what I mean.
> You may regret what you have just said and I [cutx].
>

Why will I regret what I said? You create your
own terminology. If patrons to you mean the
foreigners that participate in the sex trade
in Angeles so be it. Patrons meant to me
that you were referring to Angeles City internet
users. It comes to mind that when you think
of Angeles you think of the sex trade. You
keep talking about unity and progress but you
yourself keep a negative mindset of one of
the K-regions in Pampanga. YOU contribute
to the erosion of _one_nation_ idea that you
yourself profess.

> Again mailing list do not constitute active NG participants. There is a high
> percentage of lurkers too.
>

FYI. Lurkers read. They may not post but they
do participate. They consume (they read) and
therefore they participate.

> > We have more than what you are
> > asking for.
>
> I am not asking for anything. I am not GOD. I am the same as anybody else
> here expressing an opinion.
>

Opinion? You ARE posing to be an authority of the
subject of creating NG's by asking for "about 200"
participants.

>
> I never claimed to be an authority in NG creation. I leave it up to
> hardworking volunteers like you that have genuine interest in this sort of
> thing.
> It was not the NG creation I was talking about but the "LIFE" after creation.
>

Again, "LIFE" - a mumbo jumbo. A creation of yours.
There are about 40,000 newsgroups out there and most
are not populated. If a newsgroup becomes inactive
Usenet admins may or may not issue a RMGROUP message.
It's a command sent to all servers/admins to remove
unwanted newsgroups.

> You are right I dont and I dont claim to. Thats why I ask. I suggest numbers
> as an OPINION and not a fact in this case as a CATALYST for discussion.
> So, what is your number for active participation?
>

For a big eight hierarchy NG to pass and get created
50% of the voters need to approve the creation.
Number of voters must exceed 100 valid e-mail account
holders. 100 YES votes is the passing mark.

For an "alt" newsgroup, voting is not
necessary, if proponents can prove to admins that there
is a need for the proposed NG, following all necessary
protocols and procedures possibility of getting an
"alt" NG is likely.

> > "LIFE of a newsgroup" -- where did you get this
> > mumbo jumbo?
>
> Well, from my VIRTUAL DICTIONARY,
> how would YOU call active participation after NG creation by people?
>

VIRTUAL DICTIONARY? Ahem, that must be sitting next
to your WEBSTER'S... Why do you keep making stuff up?
Why do you worry about ACTIVE PARTICIPATION? A newsgroup
will exists as long as there is a need for it. If
people stops postings and the NG gets desserted
the NG is removed from circulation. As simple as that!

Not so much you sound like a gradeschooler -- you
do seem to amaze me.

>
> Ok surprise me, but dont bomb my e-mail ;o) BTW, I never said there
> ARE not enough. I am asking if there will be enough (LIFE).

You didn't SAY there was not enough, you only
insunuated. Drop the "LIFE" crap for crying
out loud - it only exists in your
virtual (is that MAKE BELIEVE?) dictionary.
Talking to you is not even worth it let alone
send you an e-mail. No threats were meant by
saying the word "surprised". You must be doing
this a lot to expect mail-bombing.

> [cut]
> > with www and NG. Why I am even bothering to
> > explain this to you gets me wondering already.
>
> Same here, but here goes anyway, if by chance the unmoderated NG AFTER
> creation does not get enough volume of posters (LIFE), can
> somebody/some organization/a group of posters make use of
> your efforts/good intentions to lets say *for example* make its content
> BAR talk of Angeles? and give it life by participation of other posters.
>
> Think long term now...not short term.

"LIFE", <sigh>. "Patrons"... <shrug>. Your mindset
of Angeles is just unacceptable but as you said
it's only your opinion. You are indeed entitled
to your opinion. I only hope you stop making
stuff up. Why do you worry about LIFE of a newsgroup?
If it's deserted it is removed. Should I say that
again somewhere in the following paragraphs? Maybe
there's a better chance of it sinking in.

>
> Your guess ia as good as mine. Since I'm one of those that dont understand
> hierarchy
> explain, please. BTW, when you do can you tell me why the alt poster cant
> post in SCF
> the same thing?
>

Obviously, you do need more understanding of
the USENET. I would like to explain how to propose,
create, and propagate a newsgroup but I really don't
have the time. Search the web for the document
"How To Create A Newsgroup." It's about 50 pages
long. It contains mostly usenet procedures and
UNIX administration stuff. Don't have all the
time to talk about it. Let me know if you need
help.

> > > 6. I hope we are not seeing a NINGAS KUGON.
> >
> > I hope so too (whatever it means).
> >

You never affirm or deny what this meant? :*|

>
> Thats all??? A <yawn>, I must admit that I did not expect this reaction from
> an organizer(?) I'm glad I'm awake with topics I take SERIOUSLY.
>

<zzzzz's> would probably have been appropriate.
Really, I can't take you seriously. You talk like my
6 year old nephew.

>
> I am relaxed. If the purpose was clear and non-conflicting, I would not be
> asking.
> That is all I am doing - asking.

You were not asking! You were insunuating if not
insulting the K-culture's intelligence. If you don't
get this, then I'm sure the words "it was only
your opinion" again will come out of your mouth.

>
> This indicates that the intent of a.l.k. is not clear enough. You specific
> focused topic may not be that focused. What is it again??

The Kapampangan Language. The name of the proposed NG
is alt.LANGUAGE.kapampangan. How clear do you want
it to be?

> There you go, you are the GOD. Forget about other opinions in a proposal.
> Lutuuin mo na lang. Just NOTIFY and close for the record.

NOTIFY? Why do you keep bringing up your own
terminology? The reason the proposal was posted
here was because it was a part of the NG creation
procedure. There is no "just NOTIFY us when it
is created" step in the procedure. We have to
have a discussion period and then the group
creation part where the control message is sent
out to all servers/admin on the USENET for
adding the NG to their servers.

>
> Pal?? YOU really havent been in SCF, so guess I wont be missing your posts.
>

Good. It does not worry me a bit. Trust me.

> So make it a NOTICE OF CREATION not a proposal. Why waste discussion time.
>

Again, we have to go through the procedures.
"NOTICE OF CREATION" -- have I said this before?
Where do you get these mumbos jumbos?

> If you really mean it, I thank you too.

<Geez>.

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[*kama...@pacbell.net]

In article <333D0F...@calweb.com>, gh...@calweb.com wrote:
[cut....nothing useful for a MATURE discussion]

In the future I suggest let Dave Nepomuceno handle all your responses.

YOU tend to be personal which is NOT ENCOURAGING for ANY comments.

ALK good luck!

I end my discussion with you.

[Paul Kekai Manansala]

In article <*kamagong*-29039701...@ppp-206-170-30-157.hywr01.pacbell.net>,

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>In article <5hhns4$1e4...@news.csus.edu>, pmana...@csus.edu (Paul Kekai
>Manansala) wrote:
>
>> In article <*kamagong*-28039710...@ppp-206-170-30-61.hywr01.pacbell.net>,
>> *kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>[cut]
>> >Why?? Isn't a Kapampangan a Filipino also??
>> >Culturally, I want to know if there is a distinction.
>> >
>>
>> Simple. Because most Filipinos do not speak Kapampangan. Also, because
>> soc.culture.filipino is for broader topics than the Kapampangan language.
>
>If its simple, then give an example that is specific to the kapampangan culture
>in a language we can understand.
>

Why can't you understand that one of the purposes of this group is to discuss
things in Kapampangan?

>[cut]
>>
>> That's not how Usenet is supposed to work. New groups are created which focus
>> on particular subjects. It would be chaos if people from different regions
>> starting posting in their own dialects.
>
>I dont believe there ARE enough posters, lurkers maybe. Besides mixed

[clip]

>
>> about the posters interested in Kapampangan culture than other people's
>> opinions. Very few of us would feel comfortable having detailed discussions
>> on Kapampangan culture, or posting in Kapampangan on this ng.
>
>Why?????
>For me understanding kapampangan or any culture would promote more
>understanding between Filipinos and friends.

You just don't understand how things are supposed to work on Usenet.
Even I don't like out of subject posts on groups I'm subscribed to.
I think most people feel that way. Again it would chaos to have
every regional group posting in their own language, or discussing
things too detailed to their own region. Are you sure you're sincere
in your objections? I can't understand why you don't see this.

It is attitudes like yours that make many want to make just such
statements. You try to sound tolerant, but your ideas betray something
different. Can you please explain the true reasons why you object
to the formation of such a group? It can't have anything to do with
the survival of SCF. Most active members of the Kapampangan mailing list
don't post to SCF anyway.

>
>>The Philippines will survive by mutual respect of all cultures.
>> I respect and want to see all cultures in the Philippines flourish.
>> Filipino culture can coexist with regional cultures, but it *cannot*
>> replace them.
>
>Filipino culture, regional culture...what is this???
>To me Filipino culture embraces all the regional cultures overall. It does
>not REPLACE THEM.

Then why did you say "there is no such thing as a Kapampangan, Ilocano, tagalog...
etc " above?

>So where is the UNITY after what you said?
>

Unity does not mean having only one Filipino newsgroup. That's sort of
childish. You can't really think the formation of ALK will threaten
SCF?

[Manolo Gatbonton]

Kamagong,
After following this tread religiously, let me greet you a Happy
Easter, and I want to thank you for actively participating. I've been
reading your post a lot, and so many times I held off in responding. I
want to thank my Cabalens Dave, Pol, and Gil in giving their response to
you.
Your intentions are good but it looks like you'll need to consume more
"kanin" or "nasi" or "patatas" to gain some more wisdom :)
I thank you for your support, and your nationalistic point of view, but
don't idealize so much. It only leads to frustrations and bad feelings
:(( Just like the reminder on the wall of an old Physics Laboratory
room, constant temp & pressure only exists in the Lab (not on the real
world).
You don't have have to reply to me on this, for I'm busy trying to find
a job at this time :))
Magandang Araw sa 'yo.

Manolo

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> In article <8596227...@dejanews.com>, dave...@erols.com wrote:
>
> [please read his post]
>
> Dave,
>
> I read your response after I had posted a response to Paul and Gil before
> I read yours. You may find some of the answers to your questions to me
> from these.
>
> I accept your explanation and commend your UNSELFISH VOLUNTEER efforts
> along with Gil Malonzo. It is a lot of work and I RECOGNIZE IT.
>
> It is difficult to find volunteers.
>
> All I can say is MORE POWER TO ALK's GOOD INTENTIONS!
>
> BTW, care to post more in SCF?
>
> I hope your ideals IS representative of the ALK group.
>
> MABUHAY ANG FILIPINO!

[Gil Malonzo]

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> In article <333D0F...@calweb.com>, gh...@calweb.com wrote:
> [cut....nothing useful for a MATURE discussion]
>

Thanks for visiting my homepage. Surprised?

> In the future I suggest let Dave Nepomuceno handle all your responses.

Point well-taken. I don't intend to pursue
discussions with someone who won't even use
his/her real name (who also believes that s/he
post mature ideas) anyhow. <cough> <cough>

> YOU tend to be personal which is NOT ENCOURAGING for ANY comments.

Only because you are provoking me.

> ALK good luck!

Thanks. We need the support.

> I end my discussion with you.

Thank goodness.

>>>>>>>OFFICIAL END OF SUB-THREAD <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

(check Kangkong's este Kamagong's virtual dictionary
for the meaning of "sub-thread")

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

[marc...@aol.com]

Kapampangan is one of the major languages in the Philippines and is read
and spoken in the Philippines not only in the Province of Pampanga, but
also in parts of the provinces of Tarlac, Bataan, Nueva Ecija, Zambales,
and Bulacan. Kapampangans have migrated to all parts of the Philippine
Archipelago bringing their language, culture and customs with them.
Kapampangans have also brought their language, culture and customs with
them in their migration to all parts of the globe.

The creation of a Kapampangan newsgroup is certainly called for now that
Kapampangans live in all parts of the globe and can be linked through the
internet.

MARC

"No matter where you go; there you are, because where you stand depends
on where you sit."

[Ed Evangelista]

dave...@erols.com wrote:
>
> We have much respect too for our brother-Tagalogs, Cebuanos, Ilocanos,
> Maranaos, etc. and we have put the country's interests above ours for the
> past 30 years. Kapampangans have lost themselves to the national cause
> for the past 30 years in the nation's struggle against dictatorship and
> in the ensuing national effort to get the country back on the road to
> prosperity. We have emphasized the WE and the OUR. Now, we need some
> time and space to take care of what we have neglected in these past 30
> years -- our own language and culture. The ALK will be an infirmary,
> where the K language and culture can be nurtured and nursed back to
> health.
>
> Dave Nepomuceno
>

I'm no mekeni but I support the creation of K ng...

Ed

[dave...@erols.com]

In article <333DF0...@erols.com>,

edva...@erols.com wrote:
> I'm no mekeni but I support the creation of K ng...
>
> Ed

In article <5h92v3$e...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
jc...@etch-eshop.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz) wrote:
>
> Sinusuportahan ko ng siyento porsiyento ang pagtatatag ng Kapangpangan News
> group..

Sa inyo, Ed at Joey, maraming salamat sa inyong pagtangkilik at pag-unawa.

Dave Nepomuceno

[Menrico Tulod]

Avita de la Cruz wrote:
>
> Gil Malonzo wrote:
> >
> > Proposal for newsgroup
> > unmoderated group: alt.language.kapampangan
> >

> > For your newsgroups file:
> > alt.language.kapampangan kapampangan language and culture.
> >
> > Follow-up to: alt.config
> >
> > RATIONAL
> > There is a growing number of Kapampangans who contribute to
> > the discussions in soc.culture.filipino. Many Kapampangans
> > long to discuss issues and their culture. There are now
> > hundreds of Kapampangans around the world who have access
> > to usenet newsgroups and other interested parties who would benefit
> > from this group. Presently there exists a Kapampangan mailing
> > list with approximately more than a hundred subscribers.
> > Although this number is small, the list is not well-known
> > in the Filipino or Kapampangan internet community.
> > The Kapampangan mailing list address is:
> > KAPAMP...@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> >
> > The mailing list is very active. To search our archives
> > please visit this site at:
> >
> > http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=KAPAMP...@home.ease.lsoft.com
> >
> > The Kapampangan Homepage is at http://www.balen.net
> >

> > CHARTER: alt.language.kapampangan
> > This newsgroup is dedicated to providing a forum for Kapampangans and
> > anyone who is interested in learning about the Kapampangan language
> > and culture. Our main goal in the Kapampangan mailing list
> > group is to promote, educate, and preserve our rich heritage and
> > the vast history of the language. By having our own newsgroup we
> > will be able to expand our visions, goals, and aspirations outside of
> > the mailing list. The language to be used in the group will not be
> > limited to Kapampangan alone. A common practice used in the
> > mailing list of translating into English any Kapampangan words
> > expressed will be adopted. Parties are encouraged to openly
> > discuss issues relating to the Kapampangan language and culture.
> > On topic input from the language, history, culture, politics,
> > economics, on-going developments, and anything related to
> > Kapampangan (the people and the language) or Pampanga (the province)
> > are welcomed and encouraged.
> >

> > Binary files should not be posted to this group. Commercial
> > posts (advertisements, looking for Filipinas, SPAM, MAKE.MONEY.
> > FAST, etc) are also not appropriate for this newsgroup.
> >
> > This has been posted to alt.config, soc.culture.filipino,
> > and the Kapampangan mailing list.
> >
> > Absent any significant problems, We propose a group creation
> > date of March 31, 1997 at which time we will post a summary of when
> > we proposed the newsgroup, and the ensuing discussion. Please post
> > comments and/or suggestions to alt.config prior to this date.
> >
> > Proponent: gh...@calweb.com (Gil Malonzo II)
> > Proponent: daj...@bway.net (David Nepomuceno)
> > http://www.balen.netI support the creation of a Kapampangan Newsgroup.
> --
> The World Bank, 1818 H St. NW, Washington DC 20433, U.S.A.

> http://www.worldbank.org +1(202)477-1234I am in support of the new newsgroup. As a Filipino in the U.S.A. it is
hard to get information and news from the Philippines. It would be
comforting to know that there would be a place that I can easily find
out the happenings in the P.I.

[Johnny Thor]

My response to your crab mentality opposition below:

*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote in article
<*kamagong*-29039701...@ppp-206-170-30-157.hywr01.pacbell.net>...

>
> If its simple, then give an example that is specific to the kapampangan
culture
> in a language we can understand.
>

Even if I did explain to you Pampango culture a mongrel like you wouldn't
understand.

>
> I dont believe there ARE enough posters, lurkers maybe. Besides mixed
> languages just like in the RP are NORMAL.
> So which particular subjects in a.l.k. have a different subject focus.
>

Who gives a fuck on what you believe? The newsgroup will happen with or
without you!

>
> WHAT IS SO UNIQUE ABOUT KAPAMPANGAN CULTURE?
> The language IS UNIQUE but what else?
> [caps for emphasis - not shouting]
>

What is so unique about your crab mentality? Why are you stalling progress?
You must be the biggest KSP alive!

> > Who said anything about leaving SCF? We are proposing the formation of
> > a new group based on Kapampangan language and culture!
>
> Ok leaving may not be the right word, maybe DECREASE the participation.
> On the average, in a Filipino discussion group how many threads can you
> normally participate in?

Ah, you are now exposing your KSP concerns. Listen, Krabmagong, if you feel
your spam posts are being ignored in soc.culture.filipino, they'll surely
be ignored in alk.

> If you get stuck in a supposed to be SIMPLE
> and COMMON SENSE topic [not this one], you may not have time for the
> other NG.
>

Who are you to talk about COMMON SENSE when you don't have a clue on what
it is?

>
> You mean if its Kapampangan ONLY, that you will CARE?
> That's your prerogative.
>

If you aren't a Kapampangan, then we won't care about you.

<rest of clueless shit snipped>

Listen, Krabmagong. I don't think it will hurt you at all if the newsgroup
were finally created. You can still scratch your balls all day and talk
from your armpits and noone will be affected.

JohnnyThor
Johnn...@hotmail.com
a part Kapampangan

[Current Occupant]

"Eric Cardenas" <ecar...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> <snipped drivel not worth repeating..>

To the proponents of this alk, is this the kind of posts you'd like to
see in your new newsgroup? A new newsgroup sounds OK to me, but looks
like an scf clown is ready to move into your neighborhood. I wish he
stays with your group for good.

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

> Manolo Gatbonton <mano...@norfolk.infi.net> wrote:
>
> Your intentions are good but it looks like you'll need to consume more
> "kanin" or "nasi" or "patatas" to gain some more wisdom :)

Kabayan Manolo:

Happy Easter to you too, and peace be with you.
At least some people CAN understand POSITIVELY.

When you speak about food, ginutom mo tuloy ako. I remember the meals
at home, in the RP where we have chicken (with broth) and pandesal for breakfast
during Easter. Masarap iyong pandesal sa sabaw.

I don't usually eat rice or "kanin" during breakfast.

Lunch time I do and when it comes to rice I am reminded of placing a
lot of TNT with it mixed with kalamansi and patis. I remember tasting it the
first time when my parents bought it from DAU, Pampangga when I was in HS.

TNT - Taba ng Talangka for short.

Kanin hinaluan ng Taba Ng Talangka + patis + kalamansi...ang ssssaaarrraaaap.

I have already found two out of three sources at the moment for this delicacy,
a fourth one may be coming right up.

> I thank you for your support, and your nationalistic point of
view, but
> don't idealize so much. It only leads to frustrations and bad feelings

I understand and I may NEVER bring it up again. I'm kinda getting used to my new
home environment already anyway where I have had a lot of success. They were
just dreams and ideals 18+ years ago. So I guess I should keep it to myself;
and reconcentrate on my carreer pathing.

I'm due for a short vacation anyway. Where?? maybe some beach in Hawaii
where I can get some Hawaian-Ilocano hospitality.

> :(( Just like the reminder on the wall of an old Physics Laboratory
> room, constant temp & pressure only exists in the Lab (not on the real
> world).

When you mention Physics, I always get reminded of my very good brod who is
a pro at Physics. A very good confidant that I rely on. The good times relived.
Kanya magaan ang loob ko sa mga taga-Physics.

Good luck in your job hunt. There IS a hot market out there. Maybe Paul M. can
help you since he knows a head hunter, besides being one of your kabalens.

Cheers, <burp>, excuse me, too much gas from laughing or maybe its the kangkong.
kamagong

pahabol:
(smile),(smile),(smile),(smile),(smile)
Balitang K reports that the RP government requires (smile) from its employees.
Thats a good idea (l?), I think.

WE can agree to disagree....lets leave it at that.
(smile),(smile),(smile),(smile),(smile)

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

In article <5hj9di$qk_...@news.csus.edu>, pmana...@csus.edu (Paul Kekai
Manansala) wrote:

First of all I hope I do justice to the [cuts]. I believe I can discuss
a mature discussion with you so here goes.

[cut]

In article <*kamagong*-29039701...@ppp-206-170-30-157.hywr01.pacbell.net>,
K> >If its simple, then give an example that is specific to the
kapampangan culture
K> >in a language we can understand.
> >
>
PKM> Why can't you understand that one of the purposes of this group is to
discuss
PKM> things in Kapampangan?

As I said in my other post I accept Dave Nepomuceno' s explanation. I've
got to ask
if I dont understand. Besides I truly believe that some of us that do not
have the
opportunity to visit the ALK group due to time/schedule constrains WILL be
missing
something. On the reverse side ALK posters may be missing some posts here
too due
to time/schedule constraints.

[cut]
K> >Why?????
K> >For me understanding kapampangan or any culture would promote more
K> >understanding between Filipinos and friends.
>
>
[cut]
PKM> things too detailed to their own region. Are you sure you're sincere
PKM> in your objections? I can't understand why you don't see this.

I am serious and believe what I said the above. Do not read anything else.
If I am not sure, I ask.

> >[cut]
K> >> >no longer have any PRESENT relevance. WE are ALL FILIPINOS and this is
K> >> >how WE should think, IF WE are to make a difference.
> >> >
> >>
PKM> >> I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Your attitude is not very
tolerant.
> >
K> >What I am getting from you is that I should tolerate that kapampangans
K> >are different from Filipinos....right? You ARE right, when I introduce
K> >someone here in the US, I call him a Filipino not kapampangan, I DONT
K> >tolerate the DIFFERENCE. In the RP it may be different.
> >
PKM> >> And I don't buy all this unity stuff either. What does creation of
PKM> >Kapampangan
PKM> >> ng have to do with Filipino unity? It is not logical to suggest
it hurts
PKM> >> Filipino unity in any way.
> >
K> >Initially, maybe nothing....as a means of mutual understanding
eventually ...
K> >a lot.
> >
> >>
> >>
K> >> >NEW THINKING:
K> >> >There is no such thing as a Kapampangan, Ilocano, tagalog...etc..
K> >> >THERE IS A FILIPINO.
> >> >
> >>
PKM> >> Bad thinking. All these groups have their own value. I certainly am
> >
K> >I hope I am not misinterpreting you but here goes.
K> >Ok, when someone INSULTS the FILIPINO, you are not affected???
K> >Why, you are kapampangan, not FILIPINO?
K> >BTW, all of my opinions are living in a foreign land perspective.
> >
PKM> >> not willing to sacrifice my identity in the name of someone else's
> >
K> >Identity, so when I meet you, I should say you are Kapampangan not
K> >Filipino?
> >
>
PKM> It is attitudes like yours that make many want to make just such
PKM> statements. You try to sound tolerant, but your ideas betray something

Again, read what I said. In the US its different. I do not recognize the
difference when somebody wants me to introduce you for example to a mayor
that I know, I introduce you as a fellow filipino not as a kapampangan.

PKM> different. Can you please explain the true reasons why you object
PKM> to the formation of such a group? It can't have anything to do with

The reasons are written in my posts. I HAVE NO HIDDEN AGENDA. Its all there,
I did not hold back.

PKM> the survival of SCF. Most active members of the Kapampangan mailing list
PKM> don't post to SCF anyway.

If you say so, then it must be [I dont know the K list]. Then, SCF is already
missing something [my opinion, my view].

>
>
> >
PKM> >>The Philippines will survive by mutual respect of all cultures.
PKM> >> I respect and want to see all cultures in the Philippines flourish.
PKM> >> Filipino culture can coexist with regional cultures, but it *cannot*
PKM> >> replace them.
> >
K> >Filipino culture, regional culture...what is this???
K> >To me Filipino culture embraces all the regional cultures overall. It does
K> >not REPLACE THEM.
>
PKM> Then why did you say "there is no such thing as a Kapampangan,
Ilocano, tagalog...
PKM> etc " above?

In the US, or any foreign country; WE are the minority. WE should not
think regional.
Thats my opinion, whether its realistic or not, its a dream, a
hope...NOTHING ELSE.

I am not trying to eliminate any region. My other post as I remember correctly
says that if there are enough ACTIVE posters to sustain "LIFE" in the newgroup +
no "ningas kugon." Ningas Kugon is initially everybody is gung ho, says yes, its
ok, we'll do it, we'll participate...but when everything is ready either nobody
shows up or it declines into nothing....ONLY the founders are the ones posting
and cross posting. I believe I said I HOPE that it is not NINGAS KUGON.

Please reread my intial 8 comments/inquiries and PLEASE think positive and
constructive into it.

>
>
K> >So where is the UNITY after what you said?
> >
>
PKM> Unity does not mean having only one Filipino newsgroup. That's sort of
PKM> childish. You can't really think the formation of ALK will threaten
PKM> SCF?

No, the only thing I've said so far is that it MAY lessen the participation
of active posters. That is my concern. I have not concluded yet that it will
DIVIDE. I am worried on how long it will survive and may be "taken over" by
posters that will no longer be in the scope of the charter that was initially
concieved. Thats why I gave a web example.

I do believe that there SHOULD be ONE UNTIL SUCH TIME that this SCF NG is
STABLE ENOUGH in terms of QUALITY POSTERS. What could be more childish than
thousands of NG/organizations/groups that aim to do the SAME thing.

My conclusion to the first post/comment to this thred I made was as follows:
-----

I have a lot of respect for the kapampangans, in fact all of the filipinos

(even the crazy ones who fell when they were a baby) but unless it can be

substantiated that this new NG will LIVE its purpose, I must vote against
it. We cant even make this NG focused (yet)....THERE ARE POSTERS TRYING,
LETS HELP THEM, EACH OTHER, ITS OUR NG....A FILIPINO NG!

PS *****EMPHASIZE the WE and OUR*******
-----
The rest of the first post was EXPLORATORY SINCE I HAD MISSING INFORMATION
MYSELF.

Read nothing else in it because I mean what I say.

What have I, personally, to GAIN by preventing another NG formation?
I have told you how much I earn...you think I will fool around with things
like this?? I risk a lot, especially if I reveal my true name.

BTW, Are you or Gil Malonzo former classmates of Johnny Thor alias Eric?

If you accept my explanation, no need to comment back...GOOD LUCK!

WE may agree to disagree.

kamagong

[*kama...@pacbell.net]

SCF: Timeout muna, patulan lang sandali itong nanggugulo na ito.
Paumanhin po sa inyong lahat.
....Kung hindi interesado huwag basahin.

Translation gladly given on request.

In article <01bc3cfa$c32147c0$8a0a3a9d@jt_nt4>, "Johnny Thor"
<johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:

Unang una.....Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock......
@#@##!@$%!%$%@^!$@

Rhett, pahiram uli ng kamagong,

Wwwwhoooommmmppppaccckkkk [sa ulo]

Matino ka na siguro muli para kausapin at makintindi.

*****Tagalog dahil gusto ko.******

> My response to your crab mentality opposition below:

Krab mentality, kailan ba naging krab mentality ang kagustihan na magkaisa.

.Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock......

>
k> > If its simple, then give an example that is specific to the kapampangan
> culture
k> > in a language we can understand.
> >
>
JT> Even if I did explain to you Pampango culture a mongrel like you wouldn't
JT> understand.

Bakit, tanga ka ba?? e, kung yung aso nakakaintindi ng ibang linguahe...
hindi mo alam ang sagot, hirit ka pa ng hirit. Isa lang linguahe ang alam mo,
BOBO ka talaga. Buti pa nga iyong aso, ang aso nakakaintindi ng ingles o
tagalog o ibang linguahe. Marunonng pa ang asong sumagot...ikaw hindi :o)

[cut]
>
JT> Who gives a fuck on what you believe? The newsgroup will happen with or
JT> without you!

Ipinapakita mo na ang tunay mong ugali...hipocratika, walang modo. SCF, kanya
ganyan ang mga sagot niyan dahil sa wala siyang PAKIALAM sa kanyang mga
kinakausap. Sarili lang niya ang kanyang iniintindi.

Alam mo palang hindi ako kailangan, bakit ka nagaabala??
.Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock......

[cut]
>
JT> What is so unique about your crab mentality? Why are you stalling progress?

Magbasa ka muna ng diksyonaryo kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng krab. Hirap ka
na ba magbasa ng Tagalog??
.Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock......

Paano ako makakahinto ng ALK? Hindi naman ako diyos o ISP SA.

.Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock......

JT> You must be the biggest KSP alive!

KSP? natutunan mo lang iyon sa aking tinawag sa iyo, bumabawi ka ano??

>
[cut]
>
JT> Ah, you are now exposing your KSP concerns. Listen, Krabmagong, if you feel
JT> your spam posts are being ignored in soc.culture.filipino, they'll surely
JT> be ignored in alk.

Wala akong pakialam kung hindi pansinin ang aking mga post. Hindi ako iyakin
na katulad mo na talagang kailangan ng pansin. Kung walang pansin nangiinsulto
pa.

SPAM, ikaw nga siguro iyong gumamit ng e-mail address namin ni bong domingo
kanya alam mo ito. Gawin mo pa, pero magpakalalaki ka naman at gamitin mo ang
sarili mong pangalan kapag ikaw ay nagpopost ng mga hubad na letrato at gumamit
ng illegal na cross-posts.

.Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock......

>
JT> Who are you to talk about COMMON SENSE when you don't have a clue on what
JT> it is?

Galing sa iyo, bali wala dahil, baliw naman ikaw. Uminom ka muna ng mga
gamot mo bago ka magsalita. Kawawa ka naman.

.Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......
>
JT> <rest of
Johnny Thor's
JT> clueless shit snipped>
>
JT> Listen, Krabmagong. I don't think it will hurt you at all if the newsgroup
JT> were finally created. You can still scratch your balls all day and talk
JT> from your armpits and noone will be affected.

Para menos sa pagtype:
JT> Who gives a fuck on what you believe? The newsgroup will happen with or
JT> without you!

Hmmm....kinakausap ang sarile.....kawawa ka naman....
Nakakasiguro ka ba na sinasama ka ng ALK?....babay...arrrchhh...pwe....

.Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......Knock.......
parang LATANG walang laman, masakit na ba ang ULO mo???

Kung ang langit nga may anghel....may demonyo din...

[Reynaldo Santos]

dave...@erols.com wrote:
>
> In article <333DF0...@erols.com>,
> edva...@erols.com wrote:
> > I'm no mekeni but I support the creation of K ng...
> >
> > Ed
>
> In article <5h92v3$e...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> jc...@etch-eshop.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz) wrote:
> >
> > Sinusuportahan ko ng siyento porsiyento ang pagtatatag ng Kapangpangan News
> > group..
>
> Sa inyo, Ed at Joey, maraming salamat sa inyong pagtangkilik at pag-unawa.
>
> Dave Nepomuceno
>

> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

Hi! I'm a Pampango living in Denver, Colorado. I just like to voice my
support for
the creation of the Kapampangan newsgroup. I think that really is a
wonderful idea.
The newsgroup will bring us all together.

Warm Regards.

Rey Santos

[joe T gutie]

Luid Cabalen,
Yes, congratulation to all who continually make an effort to preserve
the Kapampangan culture and language.

Joe T. Gutierrez

Paul Kekai Manansala wrote:
>
> In article <01bc3da6$c7698ca0$2c0b3a9d@jt_nt4>,
> "Johnny Thor" <johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:
> >*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote in article
> ><*kamagong*-30039712...@ppp-206-170-30-78.hywr01.pacbell.net>...

> >>
> >> Kung ang langit nga may anghel....may demonyo din...
> >>
> >

> >I'm glad I've finally convinced you on the merits of the alk newsgroup.
> >Carry on.
> >
> >Johnny
>
> No need to argue about it anymore fellows, the deed is done! Congratulations
> to all those who support the preservation of the Kapampangan language and
> culture.
>

[Johnny Thor]

[Paul Kekai Manansala]

In article <01bc3da6$c7698ca0$2c0b3a9d@jt_nt4>,
"Johnny Thor" <johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com> wrote:

No need to argue about it anymore fellows, the deed is done! Congratulations

to all those who support the preservation of the Kapampangan language and
culture.

(___)
\_/ Paul Kekai Manansala

[Manolo Gatbonton]

Paul Kekai Manansala wrote:
>
> No need to argue about it anymore fellows, the deed is done! Congratulations
> to all those who support the preservation of the Kapampangan language and
> culture.
>

> (___)
> \_/ Paul Kekai Manansala

How about that! Thanks for the people who have supported us!!

Manolo

[Gil Malonzo]

The Kapampangan newsgroup alt.language.kapampangan
has successfully been created. For most servers which
automatically adds newly created newsgroups you
should see the new a.l.k. newsgroup now. All other
servers will carry a.l.k. in due time. You may also
request your ISP admin to add the a.l.k. on your
server if you don't wish to wait.

We would like to thank everyone who participated in
the discussion period. To all those who supported
the creation of a.l.k., we thank you sincerely.
And to those who brought up noteworthy and
constructive criticisms, you added spice to
the discussions, we thank you too.

"Dacal pung salamat kekayu ngan."

--
Gil Malonzo II
gh...@calweb.com
gmal...@sj.chwmf.com

[dave...@erols.com]

In article <333ea0c...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,

Eric,

No, this post by Johnny Thor does not reflect the ideals of the
proponents of the alk. This kind of language is banned on the
Kapampangan-L mailing list and we hope to ban it on ALK as well. Wish us
luck.

Kamagong has my full respect. My apologies to kamagong for Johnny Thor's
post.

Dave

[dave...@erols.com]

In article
<*kamagong*-29039701...@ppp-206-170-30-157.hywr01.pacbell.net>,
*kamagong*@pacbell.net wrote: [snip'

> All I can say is MORE POWER TO ALK's GOOD INTENTIONS!
>
> BTW, care to post more in SCF?
>
> I hope your ideals IS representative of the ALK group.
>
> MABUHAY ANG FILIPINO!

Hi Kamagong,

Again thank you for participating in the discussions and raising some
issues for us to reflect on. Some SCFers may think that we are doing
this to "grandstand" or "para itaas ang sariling bangko^." No. We have
done an analysis of our situation and what we see is a language and
culture under siege from all fronts and from within. Consider what is
happening:

1. Kapampangan youth do not want to speak Kapampangan. For them,
they're cool if they speak Tagalog. The primary culprit is our proximity
to the national capital region which is fast expanding. Pretty soon the
Manila metropolitan area will encompass the far towns of Bulacan and on
to Pampanga. Another strong influence is Philippine media, films, TV
shows, pop songs which are all in Tagalog. We do not have the luxury
that Cebuanos have of being far and isolated from the capital. Cebuanos
also have their own TV and radio stations which broadcast in Cebuano and
a strong music industry using Cebuano lyrics.

2. We are surrounded by Tagalog and Ilocano-speaking provinces which are
eating up at the edges of the Kapampangan region.

3. Clark Special Economic Zone which is in the heart of the Kapampangan
region is bringing in investors from all over the country and from other
countries. This means that usage of Kapampangan is going to be greatly
diminished in the business center. As this hole in the center grows, the
edges are also getting eroded.

4. Lahar. A lot of Kapampangans have been relocated to other parts of
the country, further diminishing the number of native Kapampangan
speakers in the area.

The alt.language.kapampangan is just one of the corrective/preventive
measures we plan to put in place to help counter-act and hopefully
reverse the adverse effect of these forces.

Dave Nepomuceno

[Developer]

I'm not kapampangan, but I do support the
establishment of this group. Anybody or group
serious enough to promote its culture and
heritage in this way deserves support.

If you need to reach the kapampangans here
in South Florida, let us know, we'll relay
your message through our radio station.

Regards.

JOEL

Reynaldo Santos <rsa...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
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> dave...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <333DF0...@erols.com>,
> > edva...@erols.com wrote:
> > > I'm no mekeni but I support the creation of K ng...
> > >
> > > Ed
> >
> > In article <5h92v3$e...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> > jc...@etch-eshop.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz) wrote:
> > >
> > > Sinusuportahan ko ng siyento porsiyento ang pagtatatag ng
Kapangpangan News
> > > group..
> >
> > Sa inyo, Ed at Joey, maraming salamat sa inyong pagtangkilik at
pag-unawa.
> >

> > Dave Nepomuceno
> >
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[dave...@erols.com]

Dear Joel,

Your words of encouragement and support warm my heart. I will copy this
to the Kapampangan-L Mailing List and to the alt.language.kapampangan,
making this in effect my very first posting to the new newsgroup. Wish
us luck as we try to sustain it and make it an interesting place to be.
I would also like to thank the people who run soc.culture.filipino for
making it possible for us to drum up support for the new newsgroup
through the SCF, the original Filipino newsgroup.

Yes, it would be great if you could "plug" the new
alt.language.kapampangan newsgroup, the Kapampangan Homepage at
<http://www.balen.net>, and the Kapampangan-L Mailing List on your radio
station in Florida. What is the name of your station, where is it on the
dial, and what areas in Florida do you reach?

Dave Nepomuceno

In article <01bc3e64$6ffcee30$43cfbbcd@ntwk4>,

[Pedro Penduko]

walang anoman po!
reg: kapampangan, in the song 'atin cu pung singsing', what is this
singsing signify?
--
Pedro Penduko
^ ________^
^ ^
^ " Subukan pamu, para mabalu ! "

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