Ilokanos and Dark Skin
Azmik
Yes, what a strange topic but I have seen light-skinned Ilokanos too. Or
are they the minority? I hope some of you don't go blasting on me, I am
3/4ths Ilokano and
MAKA SA OOAK TI BASET NGA ILOKANO...TI BIBLIA :)
And its bad enough how people look down upon darker folks and I can imagine
it happening between Filipinos. I once dated a girl (also Filipino) and I
told her I was Ilokano. She told me "Really?! my parents make fun of
Ilokanos..." (?!@ I was thinking "we're all Filipinos" am I one of those
"other" Filipinos? We had a good time. But I am digressing now. Wasn't
sure how to react.
Late,
AZMIK Quarter Pounder Ilokano (Pangasinan Ilokano at Batangueno Tagalog)
Rommel P. Feria
Azmik wrote:
> Is it just me or do Ilokanos have a reputation for having dark skin.
> Yes, what a strange topic but I have seen light-skinned Ilokanos too. Or
> are they the minority? I hope some of you don't go blasting on me, I am
> 3/4ths Ilokano and
> MAKA SA OOAK TI BASET NGA ILOKANO...TI BIBLIA :)
>
> And its bad enough how people look down upon darker folks and I can imagine
> it happening between Filipinos. I once dated a girl (also Filipino) and I
> told her I was Ilokano. She told me "Really?! my parents make fun of
> Ilokanos..." (?!@ I was thinking "we're all Filipinos" am I one of those
> "other" Filipinos? We had a good time. But I am digressing now. Wasn't
> sure how to react.
Ilocanos might have gotten that reputation primarily because the Ilocos Region
is close to the sea. Most make a living as fishermen or as farmers - you get
exposed to the sun more often. =) [I am 1/2 Ilocano and 1/2 Pampango]
Pinoys are guilty of a "discrimation" among their fellow Pinoys as well. If you
hear someone talk and have a strong accent, you say "Bisaya ka man gid,
dong/day?" - even if he/she is not so... if you find someone to be thrifty, you
say "Ilocano ka ano? Kuripot?" and so on and so forth... oh well -- I guess it
adds to the fun of being a Pinoy! =) We easily take those discrimatory comments
with humour... just don't attack the Pinoy for being Pinoy or you sure will get
the worst of him/her! Right guys/gals?
Cheers!
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BongNpinoy
(ilokano) and Pangasinan (Pangalatok... but he also speak Ilokano... I
don't why). Well anyway I think it depends on the time he/she spend on
the sun that ditermine if his dark skined.....
And oh yeah I hate does people who look down on fellow Filipinos who
has dark skin.... They freaking wannabe Amerincans(white amerincans).
They got to much colonial mentatlity in them..... Those COWARDS.... he
he he
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
"Rommel P. Feria" wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Ilocanos might have gotten that reputation primarily because the Ilocos Region
> is close to the sea. Most make a living as fishermen or as farmers - you get
> exposed to the sun more often. =) [I am 1/2 Ilocano and 1/2 Pampango]
My aunt married an Ilocano. Both he and his brother were skilled fisherman. Since
my uncle was young when he moved to Hawai`i he adapted well to fishing there both
the way he learned and the Hawaiian way. In fact, he learned the Hawaiian way of
making fish nets as well as the way he & his brother learned back in Ilocos.
Unfortunately with his death so did his skill at making fishnets. I am not sure if
there many Hawaiians who still do that same style of making nets. OH, they were
semi-dark, but not really dark.
>
>
> Pinoys are guilty of a "discrimation" among their fellow Pinoys as well. If you
> hear someone talk and have a strong accent, you say "Bisaya ka man gid,
> dong/day?" - even if he/she is not so... if you find someone to be thrifty, you
> say "Ilocano ka ano? Kuripot?" and so on and so forth... oh well -- I guess it
> adds to the fun of being a Pinoy! =) We easily take those discrimatory comments
> with humour... just don't attack the Pinoy for being Pinoy or you sure will get
> the worst of him/her! Right guys/gals?
*LOL* I think Ilocanos (at least in my own experience in Hawai`i) have strong
accents. But the Filipinos I met here from the Bisaya region also had strong
accents. And why are the Ilocanos so...thirfty? *L*
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
Azmik wrote:
>
>
> Late,
> AZMIK Quarter Pounder Ilokano (Pangasinan Ilokano at Batangueno Tagalog)
Hmm, my mom's father was from Nueva Ecija. That would make me a quarter
pounder too. *L* However, his maternal grandparents were from Tarlac, his
paternal grandmother from Ilocos Norte and his paternal grandfather from
Zambales. So what terms would I use for those?
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
BongNpinoy wrote:
> They freaking wannabe Amerincans(white amerincans).
> They got to much colonial mentatlity in them..... Those COWARDS.... he
> he he
Someone accused me of an American wannabe, as if AMERICAN was the best
thing to be? *L* Pahleez, that's the last thing I would want to be.
Unfortunately, my father is one and so am I. My father's parents also were
naturalized BUT not by choice.
I guess you're , it probably is that COLONIAL mentality. I have heard some
Filipinos rave about the Spanish influence, langauge, etc. As if proving
that you had Spanish blood made you more elite? Nah, don't think so. I'm
very pro-indigenous!
Azmik
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy <moku...@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:37B6D8B9...@earthlink.net...
>
>
> "Rommel P. Feria" wrote:
>
> > Hi,
I think that since Ilocanos are known for the adventure, they are known to
be tightwads/good with money/thrifty so they can go traveling like them
Ilocanos in Hawaii and everywhere else.
Peace,
AZ
Azmik
Ilokano Zambal?
Filipino should suit you fine. But when you tell other Filipinos they
usually ask where so and so is from and so on.
AZ
tansong isda
>
> Is it just me or do Ilokanos have a reputation for having dark skin.
>
> Yes, what a strange topic but I have seen light-skinned Ilokanos too. Or
> are they the minority? I hope some of you don't go blasting on me, I am
> 3/4ths Ilokano and
> MAKA SA OOAK TI BASET NGA ILOKANO...TI BIBLIA :)
>
> And its bad enough how people look down upon darker folks and I can imagine
> it happening between Filipinos. I once dated a girl (also Filipino) and I
> told her I was Ilokano. She told me "Really?! my parents make fun of
> Ilokanos..." (?!@ I was thinking "we're all Filipinos" am I one of those
> "other" Filipinos? We had a good time. But I am digressing now. Wasn't
> sure how to react.
>
> AZMIK Quarter Pounder Ilokano (Pangasinan Ilokano at Batangueno Tagalog)
Filipinos basically are dark skinned, not just
Ilocanos. It is the mixed group(there are lots in
the Phils.) Chinese, Spaniards..etc...w/c makes
some look lighter.
BongD
>Filipinos rave about the Spanish influence, langauge, etc. As if proving
>that you had Spanish blood made you more elite? Nah, don't think so. I'm
>very pro-indigenous!
>
Maybe some pinoys rave being spanish, but not me. Being spanish means you are a
wetback, welfare recipient, system abuser here in the U.S. Filipinos make good
impressions from employers. Mexicans, Hispanics are bad news, known as trouble
makers.
================================================================
Bong D
"Southern Way"
Fred Amores
are an Ilokano, you should have a dark elbow skin.(-:)
Halokano,U.S.A.
=========================================
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy wrote:
> Azmik wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Late,
> > AZMIK Quarter Pounder Ilokano (Pangasinan Ilokano at Batangueno Tagalog)
>
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
BongD wrote:
>
> Maybe some pinoys rave being spanish, but not me. Being spanish means you are a
> wetback, welfare recipient, system abuser here in the U.S. Filipinos make good
> impressions from employers. Mexicans, Hispanics are bad news, known as trouble
> makers.
Prejudice aren't we? *L* No, Spanish as in Europeans. Many Latin American think
that they're so white. Depends what part of Spain you're talking about.
As for welfare recipients, my Filipino co-worker & my boss who's also filipino told
me they (Filipino immigrants) don't get that much benefits. I know for a fact that
Hispanics, the ones from Central America & mexico mainly aren't the only
receipients of this. Armenians! I will not understand how my Armenian neighbors
can stay home all day & night, have friends over, yet have nice television, and
some of these people have nice cars. I on the other hand have a job that pays
probably 2 - 3 times what these people can get in a month, yet don't have my own
car. I could never get any financial aid to school, I couldn't get welfare when I
was without a job for 6 months, yet during tax season I end up paying a whole damn
lot! So don't tell me about people who abuse the system because it's not limited
to Hispanics. I think they should cut back on assisting immigrants. When my
grandparents left the Phils, they worked hard. I am sick & tired of my dad & his
generation tell me, me of all people how lucky I am to be raised the way I was.
Because they lived during the depression. In reality, my dad & all his siblings
were jealous, at least my dad was because he admitted it. Jealous that their
mother raised me with a spoon in my mouth while they had it really hard, sold eggs,
worked in a restaurant, fed the other Ilocano men who were working in the
plantation, etc.
As for Filipinos making good impression, I think Filipinos are just worried that if
they do bad, it effects the entire nation. Don't worry about that. I could care
less, if I mess up, it's because of me! I'm not stupid because I'm Portuguese, I'm
not lazy because I'm Hawaiian, I'm not a pain in the ass because I'm Filipino, I'm
not thrifty because I'm Chinese,......okay, maybe. *LOL*
LeeLance13
but I'm one of those people who bask in the sun for hours during summertime in
hopes of acquiring a darker skin tone.
LQ...@mi.sig
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy <moku...@earthlink.net>
wrote (in part):
Both of my adopted grand-children are Ilocano and I must say
I love them very much. They have been here with me in
Canada for 1 year and 4 months. The older one was pregnant
when she arrived and her daughter is my only granddaughter.
Their mother, my wife - a Pampangan who married an Ilocano,
lost favor with him and his family, ultimately found her way
to Canada and to me, and is my hearts delight.
Last spring I went on my way from assignment from Asia,
finally, to the Philippines and found that the people, when
they realized I was not an American, trying to impress them
with my wealth (I wouldn't be able to anyway) :( -- rather
liked me and I very much liked them.
I don't want to say that I think Americans are bad for the
Philippines, rather the opposite. I think that because of
the American influence there, the Philippinos have
benefitted. We in Canada live abreast the Americans and
although we don't obediently follow them as regards all
things, we generally get along.
Philippinos are a wonderful people from what I have seen.
As do their color:
Who cares???!!!
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
We were talking about benefits, etc. when it comes to immigration and
the U.S. and what significance they are to Filipinos versus to native
Hawns. I think from now on I'll just say I'm Canadian. *L*
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
LeeLance13 wrote:
I think I met one Ilocano here in CA that was very fair complected. Then again, I
come from Hawai`i where many Asians are darker than I am now.
tansong isda
>
> I came from the Ilocos region, and yet, I have a fair complexion. It's funny,
> but I'm one of those people who bask in the sun for hours during summertime in
> hopes of acquiring a darker skin tone.
I am so mixed, you don't want to hear, I do the
same!!!
Nathaniel Bates
brown, but she said when she was younger she used to bleach her skin because
all the girls wanted to be as white as possible. She told me about the
racism in the Phils. among the Filipinos. Being a white guy, I thought it
was all pretty ridiculous. I tell ya, when she was laying in my waterbed on
the white comforter by candlelight, I wouldnt have had her any other color!
Such a beautiful sight! People can flame me all they want, but Ive had it
both ways, and white girls just dont look as good.
N. Bates
tansong isda <bab...@dipaparito.ito> wrote in message
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Georg J. Cheatham
tansong isda <bab...@dipaparito.ito> wrote:
>Azmik wrote:
>>
>> Is it just me or do Ilokanos have a reputation for having dark skin.
>> Yes, what a strange topic but I have seen light-skinned Ilokanos too. Or
>> are they the minority? I hope some of you don't go blasting on me, I am
>> 3/4ths Ilokano and
>> MAKA SA OOAK TI BASET NGA ILOKANO...TI BIBLIA :)
>>
>> And its bad enough how people look down upon darker folks and I can imagine
>> it happening between Filipinos. I once dated a girl (also Filipino) and I
>> told her I was Ilokano. She told me "Really?! my parents make fun of
>> Ilokanos..." (?!@ I was thinking "we're all Filipinos" am I one of those
>> "other" Filipinos? We had a good time. But I am digressing now. Wasn't
>> sure how to react.
>>
>> AZMIK Quarter Pounder Ilokano (Pangasinan Ilokano at Batangueno Tagalog)
>
>Ilocanos. It is the mixed group(there are lots in
>the Phils.) Chinese, Spaniards..etc...w/c makes
>some look lighter.
>
Filipinos are a nationality, just like USA people. There is no specific racial type that can claim to be 'Filipinoid' since there are so many mixtures, and the Philippines is a creation of the Spanish.
But, there is a basic original gene pool, and that is dark, very dark.
Look at the peoples in most of the equatorial zones of the world. Look at the facts of the globe. The light skined people developed in the far north area. In the cold lands. Look at the Esquimos, and Japanese, and Caucasians.
Dark people rule the equatorial zones of the earth. And until recently, the Philippine Island chain was a 'Dark Land.'
The Filipino elite,(meztizos or full blooded Chinese) have brain washed the general population of the Philippines to believe that lighter skin is common to the majority of Filipinos, and that lighter skin is a more desirable complexion then dark brown.
Just look at Filipino television, and Filipino movies. Especially look at the commercials on television, my gosh, I would think I was in Taiwan.
Where is Palito?
Nancy, are you there to make a comment?
Contemplation is for the mind
Azmik
Georg J. Cheatham <chea...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> Hello, I told everybody some months ago
-----You "told" everybody. Is it like "You tell we listen"?
, that the Philippines is a nation of different peoples all living on the
same island chain. Filipinos are not a genetic type such as Japanese,
Chinese, or Korean who are basically the same.
---The Korean are a Tungusic people different from the Chinese who are
different from the Japanese (Jomon culture). Are you saying that those
three groups are basically the same?
> Filipinos are a nationality, just like USA people. There is no specific
racial type that can claim to be 'Filipinoid' since there are so many
mixtures, and the Philippines is a creation of the Spanish.
-----somewhat true
> But, there is a basic original gene pool, and that is dark, very dark.
>
> Look at the peoples in most of the equatorial zones of the world. Look at
the facts of the globe. The light skined people developed in the far north
area. In the cold lands. Look at the Esquimos, and Japanese, and
Caucasians.
>
> Dark people rule the equatorial zones of the earth. And until recently,
the Philippine Island chain was a 'Dark Land.'
-----interesting angle
> The Filipino elite,(meztizos or full blooded Chinese) have brain washed
the general population of the Philippines to believe that lighter skin is
common to the majority of Filipinos, and that lighter skin is a more
desirable complexion then dark brown.
> Just look at Filipino television, and Filipino movies. Especially look at
the commercials on television, my gosh, I would think I was in Taiwan.
---yep
Peace,
AZ
-
Georg Cheatham
my post please and do not add wording that is not there. I go out of my
way to be accurate in what I say. And I do not need an interpreter.
Then read your own post, and see that you even used the term 'Dark
Brown' to describe Filipinos, so where is your post saying anything else
than what mine said, except, that you let your emotions get in the way,
and I do not.
And if you look at the majority of the Filipinos, they are dark. Except
of course for the mestizos.
And if you say there are white skin Filipinos, then the are Mestizos,
which means, that they are not the natural people of the area. And if
they are mixed Chinese, Japanese, or white, they again are meztizos, not
the natural people of the area.
Georg Cheatham
The concept of the Philippines as a nation/country was created by the
Spanish, (Philippines refers to a spanish king whos name was Philip)or
do you think there was a nation of those islands before the Spanish. If
so, what was it called?
Jeanette Lascano
The remarks below are pretty inaccurate does anyone else thinks so? It is
fair enough that some people in the Philippines has dark skin but it is not
the general setting! The thing is, saying that the Philippines as it is
now, is created by the Spanish is totally wrong. It may be right that the
Spanish people did come to the Philippines and influenced the culture that
the Philippines have now but they did not created Philippines - like the
statements below suggests. The Philippines is now an integration of many
influences - those of the US, Chinese or Japanese. Think marital
association, genetic combination - and we would find that the original
settlers (the Malays) if not gone, are disappearing. The outcome is the
Philippines as we know it; populated by white to slightly browned skin and
brown to dark browned skin coloured people. And you really won't find
anyone with a black skin like the statements below suggest.
From
Jenny Lascano
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Georg J. Cheatham wrote in message
<7paiuf$f...@dfw-ixnews19.ix.netcom.com>...>In article
37B6F13A...@dipaparito.ito>,
> tansong isda <bab...@dipaparito.ito> wrote:
>>Azmik wrote:
AZMIK Quarter Pounder Ilokano (Pangasinan Ilokano at Batangueno Tagalog)
Filipinos basically are dark skinned, not just
Ilocanos. It is the mixed group(there are lots in
the Phils.) Chinese, Spaniards..etc...w/c makes
some look lighter.
Hello, I told everybody some months ago, that the Philippines is a nation of
different peoples all living on the same island chain. Filipinos are not a
genetic type such as Japanese, Chinese, or Korean who are basically the
same.
Filipinos are a nationality, just like USA people. There is no specific
racial type that can claim to be 'Filipinoid' since there are so many
mixtures, and the Philippines is a creation of the Spanish.
But, there is a basic original gene pool, and that is dark, very dark.
Look at the peoples in most of the equatorial zones of the world. Look at
the facts of the globe. The light skined people developed in the far north
area. In the cold lands. Look at the Esquimos, and Japanese, and
Caucasians.
Dark people rule the equatorial zones of the earth. And until recently, the
Philippine Island chain was a 'Dark Land.'
The Filipino elite,(meztizos or full blooded Chinese) have brain washed the
general population of the Philippines to believe that lighter skin is common
to the majority of Filipinos, and that lighter skin is a more desirable
complexion then dark brown.
Just look at Filipino television, and Filipino movies. Especially look at
the commercials on television, my gosh, I would think I was in Taiwan.
Where is Palito?
Aya1127
I'm Ilocano, dark, and proud.
I think, in general, most Ilocanos are darker than Tagalogs. Of course, there
are some exceptations. Not a big deal. Brown skin is beautiful in its many
different shades.
As for the comment below....
>The Filipino elite,(meztizos or full blooded Chinese) have brain washed the
>general population of the Philippines to believe that lighter skin is common
>to the majority of Filipinos, and that lighter skin is a more desirable
>complexion then dark brown.
I would have to say... heck ya! I don't believe the brain washing or "internal
colonization" comes from only the Filipino elite (mestizo or full blood
chinese) but ALSO from the Spanish and American colonizers. When they created a
rich and powerful upperclass, they warped the image of ideal beauty (among
other things). I think the American influence continues through television,
movies, and education.
>Just look at Filipino television, and Filipino movies. Especially look at
>the commercials on television, my gosh, I would think I was in Taiwan.
heck ya, again! Why are all the actresses fairskinned and have high noses?
i am also especially sick of the TAWAS (FACIAL WHITENERS). the commercials for
this product come up everytime you watch television and their billboards are
scattered all over Manila and beyond. they claim their product will make you
"white and beautiful"... i don't connect whitness with beauty.
another thing. i'm sick of my relatives telling me to get out of the sun
because they're scared i'm going to get "too dark".. yuck.
BongNpinoy
I think what people call spanish people are from Spain and not from
Mexico People from Mexico are called Mexicans, Hispanics or Latino.....
I'm saying this becasue she was talking about Spanish people and you
confused it with Mexicnas they are two different things (I think)
Latinos aren't that but........ Does employers are Racist.... why would
you want a job with them?
>
> Maybe some pinoys rave being spanish, but not me. Being spanish means
you are a
> wetback, welfare recipient, system abuser here in the U.S. Filipinos
make good
> impressions from employers. Mexicans, Hispanics are bad news, known
as trouble
> makers.
>
>
================================================================
>
> Bong D
>
> "Southern Way"
>
--
you can go, if you don't were you started.
LeeBat
>another thing. i'm sick of my relatives telling me to get out of the sun
>because they're scared i'm going to get "too dark".. yuck.
>
Ha. That's one of the things I love about not working anymore. Used to have a
fairly high-profile job, traveling around for meetings and presentations to
clients....so had to "watch" my appearance. In business, you gotta try to use
any edge you can.
Nowadays, I'm out in the sun every day and get as dark as the good Lord wants
me to be. Only have to worry about impressing myself (and my wife, of course).
Life is.......good!
Now, if I could just learn how to make the perfect adobo......
LeeBat
but I'm still working on it
Nathaniel Bates
with cute pug noses. Ive seen enough long, "high" white noses to do me. I
met my last Pinay girlfriend thru correspondence, and before we met, she
warned me (on the phone) about her flat nose, dark skin, etc.. She seemed a
little concerned about it, but she sure looked beautiful to me. I am well
aware that in the PI, white is equated with beauty. Ridiculous, in my
opinion.
N. Bates
LeeBat <lee...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990818071204...@ng-bh1.aol.com...
George James
I'm Ilocano but no one ever called me dark skinned. I'm born Ilocano,
speaks and writes Ilocano, eats bagoong, pinakbet, and even pulutan nga aso.
I have blond hair, white complexion with brown eyes.My Mom is from Laoag
City and my Dad( the late Donald James) from Norfolk, Virginia. Anyway I'm 6
feet tall, residing at
Cincinnati, Ohio.
Jeanette Lascano wrote in message <7pd4qf$mpa$1...@usenet.usq.edu.au>...
>The Filipino elite,(meztizos or full blooded Chinese) have brain washed the
>general population of the Philippines to believe that lighter skin is
common
>to the majority of Filipinos, and that lighter skin is a more desirable
>complexion then dark brown.
>
>Just look at Filipino television, and Filipino movies. Especially look at
>the commercials on television, my gosh, I would think I was in Taiwan.
>
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
ring...@my-deja.com wrote:
Had you read every post from the beginning, you wouldn't be asking this question.I don't understand why they singled out Ilocanos are dark skinned.
Puraw? Haven't heard that in ages. Mestizo is a mixed person w/ indigenous blood. You say your mom is an American? So if she's American, how does that make you PURE Ilocano? Not unless she was one too, but born in the U.S.?Although my mother is an American, I was born in San Fernando, La
Union, grew up with Ilocano tradition and culture and that qualifies me
as a pure Ilocano. My friends even call me Tisoy, Mestiso, puraw etc.
Ditto!
ring...@my-deja.com
lee...@aol.com (LeeBat) wrote:
> aya...@aol.com (Aya1127) complained:
>
> >another thing. i'm sick of my relatives telling me to get out of
the sun
> >because they're scared i'm going to get "too dark".. yuck.
> >
>
> Ha. That's one of the things I love about not working anymore. Used
to have a
> fairly high-profile job, traveling around for meetings and
presentations to
> clients....so had to "watch" my appearance. In business, you gotta
try to use
> any edge you can.
>
> Nowadays, I'm out in the sun every day and get as dark as the good
Lord wants
> me to be. Only have to worry about impressing myself (and my wife, of
course).
>
> Life is.......good!
>
> Now, if I could just learn how to make the perfect adobo......
>
> LeeBat
> but I'm still working on it
>
I don't understand why they singled out Ilocanos are dark skinned. If
one has gone to places in Ilocandia will see that people there, a lot
of them are also fair complexioned. The one who brought up this stupid
theory is a piece of crap!!
Although my mother is an American, I was born in San Fernando, La
Union, grew up with Ilocano tradition and culture and that qualifies me
as a pure Ilocano. My friends even call me Tisoy, Mestiso, puraw etc.
RRW
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Tinig na Iba
>>association, genetic combination - and we would find that the original
>>settlers (the Malays) if not gone, are disappearing. The outcome is the
>>Philippines as we know it; populated by white to slightly browned skin and
>>brown to dark browned skin coloured people. And you really won't find
>>anyone with a black skin like the statements below suggest.
True, most Pinoys are mixed (not in the sense that kanos see it, tho'). I
assume, too, that you all are actually referring to Negritos, the original
inhabitants of the Philippines. They've been there for centuries, and were
driven inland by invading Malays. And from there you know the rest. The
only reason why you won't "really" find anyone with "black" skin is because
you're either not going to try hard enough or are to scared to go into
remote areas.
They're not going to bite you. . .
- Tinig na Iba
tansong isda
Not driven, the area the Malays settled had been
bought. The people from Indonesia did the same
when they arrived. The Malays have darker skin
than Indonesians and the language are different.
Sultan Hirano
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy wrote in message <37BCDEF9...@earthlink.net>...
ring...@my-deja.com wrote:
I don't understand why they singled out Ilocanos are dark skinned.
Had you read every post from the beginning, you wouldn't be asking this question.
Although my mother is an American, I was born in San Fernando, La
Union, grew up with Ilocano tradition and culture and that qualifies me
as a pure Ilocano. My friends even call me Tisoy, Mestiso, puraw etc.
Puraw? Haven't heard that in ages. Mestizo is a mixed person w/ indigenous blood. You say your mom is an American? So if she's American, how does that make you PURE Ilocano? Not unless she was one too, but born in the U.S.?________________________________________________________________________He's absolutely right ! Being born in a country regardless who your parents are will get all the rights and privileges of that country. He even can run for president if he wants. Ringo, is an Ilocano indeed. Any question about his racial identity will exists only in a society of discrimination.
"Puraw" is an Ilocano term. It means "White" in english. A close comparison in Tagalog is
"Anak-Araw", or Albino in Spanish..but they don't use that word there.SH
Ditto!
Sultan Hirano
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy wrote in message <37BCDEF9...@earthlink.net>...
ring...@my-deja.com wrote:
Had you read every post from the beginning, you wouldn't be asking this question.I don't understand why they singled out Ilocanos are dark skinned.
Puraw? Haven't heard that in ages. Mestizo is a mixed person w/ indigenous blood. You say your mom is an American? So if she's American, how does that make you PURE Ilocano? Not unless she was one too, but born in the U.S.?Although my mother is an American, I was born in San Fernando, La
Union, grew up with Ilocano tradition and culture and that qualifies me
as a pure Ilocano. My friends even call me Tisoy, Mestiso, puraw etc.
Tinig na Iba
tansong isda wrote in message <37BD6B0F...@dipaparito.ito>...
>Not driven, the area the Malays settled had been
>bought. The people from Indonesia did the same
>when they arrived. The Malays have darker skin
>than Indonesians and the language are different.
Bought? And for how much. . . or what?
Also, are you saying that the Malays came to the Philippines first, then
Indonesians?
- Tinig na Iba
sia...@my-deja.com
"Tinig na Iba" <one-...@pagod.ako> wrote:
>
> >Jeanette Lascano wrote in message <7pd4qf$mpa$1...@usenet.usq.edu.au>...
>I assume, too, that you all are actually referring to Negritos, the
original
> inhabitants of the Philippines. They've been there for centuries,
and were
> driven inland by invading Malays
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can you tell us more about this "invasion" of Malays that drove
the negritos inland?
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sia...@my-deja.com
"Tinig na Iba" <one-...@pagod.ako> wrote:
>
> >Not driven, the area the Malays settled had been
> >bought. The people from Indonesia did the same
> >when they arrived. The Malays have darker skin
> >than Indonesians and the language are different.
>
> Bought? And for how much. . . or what?
Yes, Iloilo (if not the whole Panay) was traded for Golden Salukot
to the ten Boreans Datus by the Ati Chieftain. Famous of these datus
were Paiburong, Puti and Kalantiaw(?). (Have to dig more on this - I
doubt Kalantiaw. Seemed was of Chinese decent.)
> Also, are you saying that the Malays came to the Philippines first,
> then Indonesians?
I wish there are real historians not just "historians" that can
give us real info on this. But most of our artifacts had been destroyed
by the "gold seekers" of Europe - destroying the non-valuable
and "heretic" objects - objects which may prove who comes first.
I tend to believe Malays came first considering Malaysia's
closeness to the Philippines.
tansong isda
>
> tansong isda wrote in message <37BD6B0F...@dipaparito.ito>...
> >Not driven, the area the Malays settled had been
> >bought. The people from Indonesia did the same
> >when they arrived. The Malays have darker skin
> >than Indonesians and the language are different.
>
> Bought? And for how much. . . or what?
>
> Indonesians?
>
There are different groups of people that settled
in the Philippines, the waves of emigres if you
can call them that happens everytime there's
political upheavals, war, conquests...etc.
Malaysia and Indonesia doesn't exist, but the area
certainly does and the borders between them is
fuzzy at the time<if there ever was a border>.
Each new settlers buy land from the original
settlers, there is a commonality in language and
culture and no intent of land grabbing was ever
recorded back then, but a record of sale has been
recorded.
Indonesians arrived when the Sri Vijayan Empire
expanded, Malays arrived later when another Empire
became strong and took over<the Madjapahit
Empire>. But these are major moves, there is a
continous movement of people in SEA. It stopped
when Europeans started making a mess of things.
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
tansong isda wrote:
>
> Indonesians arrived when the Sri Vijayan Empire
> expanded, Malays arrived later when another Empire
> became strong and took over<the Madjapahit
> Empire>.
I think I might have seen this in previous postings, but is that where
"Bisaya" comes from, Sri Vijayan? I know that Malays came from what is known
is Malaysia or the Malay peninsula but what about Indonesians? They weren't
known as Indonesians at that time, right? Just part of the Sri Vijayan
Empire? Did they have a name to call themselves?
tansong isda
There were island states at the time, each
independent of each, Sri Vijayan Empire
consolidated them as one nation(without clear
structures, just vassal states). Some Indonesians
still call themselves Vijayans(Bisayans in the
Philippines) as an identification.
Yes, Sri Vijayan Empire goes all the way to the
Philippines. And the Madjapahit reached Mindanao.
Technically, Indonesians and Malays are the same
people. Kinda confusing isn't it? Not
really...indonesians have been influenced by
Indians in the large portion.
Rod Cruz
...Looks like you misinterpreted something here. The guy is merely giving comments in the form of why.
Notice that the sentence did not end with a question mark. He is not asking a question!!
okay, I guess we have to do some more researchwork why Ilocanos are dark skinned. But we forget something. How about the Ilokanas ?? I know a lot of them are fair complexioned. Go to Baguio City and prove it yourself.
Ditto!
Rod Cruz
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy wrote in message <37BCDEF9...@earthlink.net>...
ring...@my-deja.com wrote:
Had you read every post from the beginning, you wouldn't be asking this question.I don't understand why they singled out Ilocanos are dark skinned.
Puraw? Haven't heard that in ages. Mestizo is a mixed person w/ indigenous blood. You say your mom is an American? So if she's American, how does that make you PURE Ilocano? Not unless she was one too, but born in the U.S.?Although my mother is an American, I was born in San Fernando, La
Union, grew up with Ilocano tradition and culture and that qualifies me
as a pure Ilocano. My friends even call me Tisoy, Mestiso, puraw etc.
...Looks like you misinterpreted something here. The guy is only giving his comments in the form of why. Notice that none of the sentences ends in a question mark.
Kalaninuiana`olekaumaiiluna Mondoy
Rod Cruz wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > I don't understand why they singled out Ilocanos are dark
> > skinned.
>
> Had you read every post from the beginning, you wouldn't be
> asking this question. ...Looks like you misinterpreted
> something here. The guy is merely giving comments in the
> form of why.
>
> Notice that the sentence did not end with a question mark.
> He is not asking a question!!
>
Yes, I did. I should've written, "You wouldn't be making such a
statement had you read the previous postings". There! I did not
interpret it incorrectly, I wrote my response incorrectly!
>
>
> okay, I guess we have to do some more researchwork why
> Ilocanos are dark skinned. But we forget something. How
> about the Ilokanas ?? I know a lot of them are fair
> complexioned. Go to Baguio City and prove it yourself.
>
Don't know about this one. Ilocano to me is either male or female. I
never really noticed if there were more women fair complected than the
men. Of course, that has nothing to do w/ genes.
what's up w/ this color?