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Satish
May 13, 2012, 6:09:01 PM5/13/12
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From A History of the Modern Chinese Army,
By Xiaobing Li (U. Press of Kentucky, 2007),
pp. 255-256, 258-259
What the PLA Learned in Vietnam, 1979
Some Chinese soldiers called it a “painful, little war.” Vietnamese
troops avoided battle and instead harassed PLA forces. Some Chinese
officers described it as a “ghost war,” since the enemy troops were
almost invisible, or a “shadow war,” since it seemed they were
fighting against their own shadows. The Vietnamese troops employed the
same tactics, made the same moves, and used the same weapons as the
Chinese. They knew exactly what the Chinese were trying to do. They
exploited almost every problem and weakness the Chinese had. The
Chinese troops had to fight their own problems first before they could
fight the Vietnamese. Deng’s border war taught the PLA a hard lesson….
Many of the PLA’s commanding officers were shocked by the poor
discipline, low morale, combat ineffectiveness, and high casualties in
the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War. During the nineteen days of the first
two phases, the PLA suffered 26,000 casualties, about 1,350 per day.
Gerald Segal points out that in Vietnam, “in contrast to Korea,
Chinese troops performed poorly. In Korea, they adequately defended
North Korea, but in 1979 they failed to punish Vietnam. China’s
Cambodian allies were relegated to a sideshow along the Thai frontier,
and China was unable to help them break out.”
During the war, 37,300 Vietnamese troops were killed, and 2,300 were
captured. The Soviet Union surprised the Vietnamese by refusing to get
involved in the conflict. On February 18, Moscow had denounced China’s
aggression and promised that the Soviet Union would keep its
commitments according to the Soviet-Vietnam cooperation and friendship
treaty. Then, however, the Soviet Union did not make any major moves.
Russian military intelligence did increase its reconnaissance planes
and ships in the South China Sea and along the Vietnamese coast after
China’s invasion. On February 24, two Russian transport planes landed
at Hanoi and unloaded some military equipment. Most countries
maintained a neutral position during the Sino-Vietnamese War.
The brief war was a grievous misfortune for both China and Vietnam,
not only because it resulted in material and human losses for both
nations but also because it brought years of earlier cooperation to a
dispiriting conclusion. The war showed that American belief in the
domino theory was misplaced, since two Communist countries, one of
which had just attained national liberation, were now in conflict with
each other. Each valued its own national interests much more than the
common Communist ideology. On February 27, 1979, Deng told American
journalists in Beijing that “Vietnam claims itself as the third
military superpower in the world. We are eliminating this myth. That’s
all we want, no other purpose. We don’t want their territory. We make
them to understand that they can’t do whatever they want to all the
times.”
Hanoi believed, however, that the Vietnamese army had taught the
Chinese army a lesson. One [People's Army of Vietnam] general said
that China lost militarily and beat a hasty retreat: “After we
defeated them we gave them the red carpet to leave Vietnam.” As Henry
J. Kenny points out, “Most Western writers agree that Vietnam had
indeed outperformed the PLA on the battlefield, but say that with the
seizure of Lang Son, the PLA was poised to move into the militarily
more hospitable terrain of the Red River Delta, and thence to Hanoi.”
Kenny, however, points out that Lang Son is less than twelve miles
from the Chinese border but is twice that distance from the delta.
Moreover, at least five PAVN divisions remained poised for a
counterattack in the delta, and thirty thousand additional PAVN troops
from Cambodia, along with several regiments from Laos, were moving to
their support. Thus the PLA would have taken huge losses in any
southward move toward Hanoi.
By Xiaobing Li (U. Press of Kentucky, 2007),
pp. 255-256, 258-259
What the PLA Learned in Vietnam, 1979
Some Chinese soldiers called it a “painful, little war.” Vietnamese
troops avoided battle and instead harassed PLA forces. Some Chinese
officers described it as a “ghost war,” since the enemy troops were
almost invisible, or a “shadow war,” since it seemed they were
fighting against their own shadows. The Vietnamese troops employed the
same tactics, made the same moves, and used the same weapons as the
Chinese. They knew exactly what the Chinese were trying to do. They
exploited almost every problem and weakness the Chinese had. The
Chinese troops had to fight their own problems first before they could
fight the Vietnamese. Deng’s border war taught the PLA a hard lesson….
Many of the PLA’s commanding officers were shocked by the poor
discipline, low morale, combat ineffectiveness, and high casualties in
the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War. During the nineteen days of the first
two phases, the PLA suffered 26,000 casualties, about 1,350 per day.
Gerald Segal points out that in Vietnam, “in contrast to Korea,
Chinese troops performed poorly. In Korea, they adequately defended
North Korea, but in 1979 they failed to punish Vietnam. China’s
Cambodian allies were relegated to a sideshow along the Thai frontier,
and China was unable to help them break out.”
During the war, 37,300 Vietnamese troops were killed, and 2,300 were
captured. The Soviet Union surprised the Vietnamese by refusing to get
involved in the conflict. On February 18, Moscow had denounced China’s
aggression and promised that the Soviet Union would keep its
commitments according to the Soviet-Vietnam cooperation and friendship
treaty. Then, however, the Soviet Union did not make any major moves.
Russian military intelligence did increase its reconnaissance planes
and ships in the South China Sea and along the Vietnamese coast after
China’s invasion. On February 24, two Russian transport planes landed
at Hanoi and unloaded some military equipment. Most countries
maintained a neutral position during the Sino-Vietnamese War.
The brief war was a grievous misfortune for both China and Vietnam,
not only because it resulted in material and human losses for both
nations but also because it brought years of earlier cooperation to a
dispiriting conclusion. The war showed that American belief in the
domino theory was misplaced, since two Communist countries, one of
which had just attained national liberation, were now in conflict with
each other. Each valued its own national interests much more than the
common Communist ideology. On February 27, 1979, Deng told American
journalists in Beijing that “Vietnam claims itself as the third
military superpower in the world. We are eliminating this myth. That’s
all we want, no other purpose. We don’t want their territory. We make
them to understand that they can’t do whatever they want to all the
times.”
Hanoi believed, however, that the Vietnamese army had taught the
Chinese army a lesson. One [People's Army of Vietnam] general said
that China lost militarily and beat a hasty retreat: “After we
defeated them we gave them the red carpet to leave Vietnam.” As Henry
J. Kenny points out, “Most Western writers agree that Vietnam had
indeed outperformed the PLA on the battlefield, but say that with the
seizure of Lang Son, the PLA was poised to move into the militarily
more hospitable terrain of the Red River Delta, and thence to Hanoi.”
Kenny, however, points out that Lang Son is less than twelve miles
from the Chinese border but is twice that distance from the delta.
Moreover, at least five PAVN divisions remained poised for a
counterattack in the delta, and thirty thousand additional PAVN troops
from Cambodia, along with several regiments from Laos, were moving to
their support. Thus the PLA would have taken huge losses in any
southward move toward Hanoi.
rst0
May 13, 2012, 7:12:14 PM5/13/12
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Satish, you are the sorriest saddest stupidest filthiest ugliest
motherfucker SOB I have ever encountered that kept playing the same
old lousy tune from your broken 78 rpm record. Go get an education.
You're making a idiotic fool of yourself.
motherfucker SOB I have ever encountered that kept playing the same
old lousy tune from your broken 78 rpm record. Go get an education.
You're making a idiotic fool of yourself.
Mao , the HEAD of the CPC , Communist Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block
May 13, 2012, 9:53:53 PM5/13/12
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our Chinese people just want to take back North Vietbnam
which used to belong to our Chinese empire .
which used to belong to our Chinese empire .
hotac
May 14, 2012, 4:57:55 PM5/14/12
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On May 13, 9:53 pm, "Mao , the HEAD of the CPC , Communist
Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block"
CHINA TV ‘CLAIMS’ PHILIPPINES AS CHINESE TERRITORY
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/top-stories/22595-china-tv-claims-philippines-as-chinese-territory
Party of China , Yellow Race Power Block"
<monsteroooodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> our Chinese people just want to take back North Vietbnam
> which used to belong to our Chinese empire .
>
Yeah right! And "take back" Philippines too.
> our Chinese people just want to take back North Vietbnam
> which used to belong to our Chinese empire .
>
CHINA TV ‘CLAIMS’ PHILIPPINES AS CHINESE TERRITORY
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/top-stories/22595-china-tv-claims-philippines-as-chinese-territory
rst0
May 14, 2012, 5:36:03 PM5/14/12
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Satish
May 14, 2012, 11:00:32 PM5/14/12
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He is a running dog of CCP imperialism doing his best to earn his bone
(50 cents/post) from the CCP dictatorship in Beijing. Unfortunately or
fortunately, age has caught up with rstx.
At 74, rstx has truly turned senile. He attempts to reply to a post.
But by the time he is ready to type in his reply, he can no longer
remember what/who he is replying to. That's when he ripostes with his
standard nonsensical paragraph of inanities and profanities not just
in the body of the post but even in the title of the thread!!
rstx is much like the old senile who is so far gone that by the time
he takes off his pants in the bedroom, he has forgotten why he took
them off. So he proceeds to pee and shit in his bed!!
74-year old rstx will do himself a big favor if he enrolls himself in
some adult education school. Otherwise he'll continue to make a
spectacle of himself by revealing his apalling ignorance in everything
from history to English.
And if he can't get himself to do that, he should stop bilking USA and
go back to where his heart really resides, namely, the village of his
birth in China under CCP-dictatorship. That would be the honest thing
to do. Of course, it is another matter that his gf will refuse to
follow rstx to CCP-land where any deviation of his newsgroup posts
from the official CCP-line will right away lead him to re-education
through labor ( 勞動教養 ). And, then, rstx might indeed end up peeing
and shitting at the very sight of a keyboard.
Valerie TrierWeiler , First Lady of France and Fucking partner with the French President Hollande
May 14, 2012, 11:51:58 PM5/14/12
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Chinese in the 21 st Century are just like Japanese Imperial
Forces in the Past in SE ASIA .
Japs came from the North to take SE ASIA , Chinese from the
North are now claiming
for all South China SEA , and ALL SE ASIA .
Chinese in SE ASIA are just copying What the Japs have done
in SE ASIA in the last century .
Chinese in SE ASIA are NEW THIEVES of ASEAN .
> http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/top-stories/22595-china-tv-...
Forces in the Past in SE ASIA .
Japs came from the North to take SE ASIA , Chinese from the
North are now claiming
for all South China SEA , and ALL SE ASIA .
Chinese in SE ASIA are just copying What the Japs have done
in SE ASIA in the last century .
Chinese in SE ASIA are NEW THIEVES of ASEAN .
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