Rizal...a father of illegitimate children or gay?

[Jimmy Navarro]

Imbestigador wrote:

"Charles Portugues" <pogipi...@excite.com> writes: > Para sa Tao,
> I was browsing some sites dealing with our national hero Jose Rizal and I
> took notice of the numerous loves in his life. I couldn't help but wonder if
> Rizal fathered any illegitimate children...does anyone on this NG know if he
> has? Or at least...are there any rumors of him having fathered illegitimate
> kids?
>
> -Charles
>
Ito ay rumors lamang ito unless we can get DNA samples and
check the paternity of Rizal.

Rumor has it that Adolph Hitler was the illegitimate son of Rizal.
Remember Rizal spent some time in Germany.Check out the facial
similarities of Rizal and Hitler.

Also another rumor was that  Rizal was gay.  He displayed effeminate
features and liked to hang out with men. Abroad, he hanged out with his
bosom buddy Ferdie Blumentritt. Rizal's women mentioned in history book
were only fronts to cover Rizal's gay lifestyle.Could Ferdie be Rizal's
gay lover?

Yeap, I've heard about speculation Hitler by Rizal from a history teacher by their timeline.  In his 'Last Farewell' he mentioned Josephine Bracken.  Mr. Imbestigador lives in northern California who must be a gay.

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[Imbestigador]

[Norman G. Owen]

Tsismis is as tsismis does, but Rizal's life is far and away more
studied than any other Filipino, past or present, and there's no
historical evidence suggesting that he had any illegitimate children.
The "Hitler" rumour is amusing, but total nonsense.

As for allegations that Rizal was gay, raised in a newspaper article by
Isagani Cruz a few years ago, the response by J. Neil C. Garcia in his
1997 book, CLOSET QUEERIES, provides an elegant and concise reply: (1)
the question as posed is meaningless, since "gay" (or "homosexual")
simply did not exist as a category in the 19th-century Philippines
[which is not to say that men did not sometimes have sex with men, only
that this was not perceived as defining a person's nature] and (2) the
evidence that might enable us to answer the underlying question (did
Rizal ever have sex with men?) almost certainly does not exist. Garcia
also points out that the allegation, as framed by Cruz, itself implies
certain negative stereotypes about homosexuality that are unfortunate at
best. If you're seriously interested in the question, it's worth
tracking the article down.

My own reading of Rizal suggests that while he was very much of a
"butterfly" in terms of flirtation and romancing of young women, he was
probably too cautious, and too busy with his nationalist commitment, to
do very much about it in a physical sense. He was notorious among his
fellow Filipino expatriates in Spain, for example, for refusing to go
along to the brothels with them.

Certainly what's interesting, impressive, and important about Rizal is
not what he did (or didn't do) in bed, but what he did out of it.

Norman G. Owen
ngo...@hku.hk

[Edgar Cabalo]

You outrighly conclude that "hanging out with men" makes a
male person gay. One piece of advice Mr. Imbestigador read
the works his poems, sonnets and novels and you'll find out
that he's more masculine than you are.

Egay

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[Timothy Joseph Harvey]

As always Norman, it's a pleasure to read your posts.

I'm sure you know of Ambeth R. Ocampo's "Rizal Without the Overcoat" but
others interested in the human side of Rizal may not.

On the matter of Rizal's sexual proclivities. . . the book quotes Jose
Alejandrino's memoirs. In them, he states that "Rizal was a Puritan but
his puritanism was reasonable and without hypocrisies". He goes on to tell
of "visiting two sisters" Rizal knew and recommended, and when asked to
visit them again a few days later, Rizal objected since he considered
such visits a vice that was necessary once a month, but no more.

The book has a reproduction of one of Rizal's more goofy sketches. . .
featuring a man passing gas and the consequences . . . dogs falling over,
a woman's hair raising, a candle blown out and a hanging lamp swinging in
the suddent "breeze".

As you say, his accomplishments and contributions outside of bed are what
matter, but his personal side are not without interest. . . and even a
chuckle or two.

Tim

Norman G. Owen <ngo...@hku.hk> wrote:

: Norman G. Owen
: ngo...@hku.hk

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