kailangan pa ba?
DJ AWTKAZT
opinyon lamang, sa tingin ba ninyo na kailangan pang matutunan ng mga
kabataan dito sa tate and ating wikang pambansa? bakit? ang ating
wikang pambansa ba ay isang bagay na maituturing ginintuang kayamanan ng
ating kultura na dapat ipasa sa ating mga kabataan? o ito ba ay isang
bagay na naiwan na natin sa ninoy aquino airport noong umalis tayo sa
ating lupang kinalakihan? tanong lamang po ng isang bata na kinatatakot
ang pagkawala ng ating kultura.
lemonhead
follw the 'learning the language' thread, dude. they got it going on.
Angeli Ereso Bajit
On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
> opinyon lamang, sa tingin ba ninyo na kailangan pang matutunan ng mga
> kabataan dito sa tate and ating wikang pambansa? bakit? ang ating
> wikang pambansa ba ay isang bagay na maituturing ginintuang kayamanan ng
> ating kultura na dapat ipasa sa ating mga kabataan? o ito ba ay isang
> bagay na naiwan na natin sa ninoy aquino airport noong umalis tayo sa
> ating lupang kinalakihan? tanong lamang po ng isang bata na kinatatakot
> ang pagkawala ng ating kultura.
>
>
Sa tingin ko po ay kailangan pa upang ang mga kabataan dito ay kahit
papaano ay may maituturing kanila. Ang iba nga ay nagaaral pa ng ibang
salita, bakit hindi tagalog?
Tikbalang
>: Angeli Ereso Bajit <aba...@polymail.calpoly.edu>wrote:
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:17:23 -0700
>Message-ID:
><Pine.A32.3.96.970730...@trumpet.aix.calpoly.edu>
naman magsalita ng English. Nasa kagustuhan na iyan ng mga kabataan kung
mag-aaral sila at kung ayaw nila 'di huwag na.
Ang masaklap diyan kung banatan ka naman ng pasagot na matalas sa kanila
na kung bakit lumayas ka sa ating bansa at naging Free Rider na lang sa
Amerika. Huwag na natin pang ipilit sa kanila kung bakit. Kung hindi rin
tayo handang sumagot ay malilito lamang sila kung saan naman gagamitin ang
wikang Filipino.
Ang mabuti pa ay itanim lagi sa isip mga kabataan na maging role model at
iwas sa mga masamang bisyo ngayon sa Amerika na katulad ng drugs at mga
ibang bisyo na nakakakilabot. Magiging celebrities sa larangan ng Sports,
Sciences, at Business ay iyan sana ang dapat na ipahiwatig sa kanila. Sa
ganoon ay magiging sikat ang Filipinong Amerikano.
Ed Subijano
Tikbalang wrote:
>
> >: Angeli Ereso Bajit <aba...@polymail.calpoly.edu>wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:17:23 -0700
> >Message-ID:
> ><Pine.A32.3.96.970730...@trumpet.aix.calpoly.edu>
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
> >
> >> opinyon lamang, sa tingin ba ninyo na kailangan pang matutunan ng mga
> >> kabataan dito sa tate and ating wikang pambansa? bakit? ang ating
> >> wikang pambansa ba ay isang bagay na maituturing ginintuang kayamanan
> ng
> >> ating kultura na dapat ipasa sa ating mga kabataan? o ito ba ay isang
> >> bagay na naiwan na natin sa ninoy aquino airport noong umalis tayo sa
> >> ating lupang kinalakihan? tanong lamang po ng isang bata na
> kinatatakot
> >> ang pagkawala ng ating kultura.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Sa tingin ko po ay kailangan pa upang ang mga kabataan dito ay kahit
> >papaano ay may maituturing kanila. Ang iba nga ay nagaaral pa ng ibang
> >salita, bakit hindi tagalog?
> >
> >
> >
> Hindi na kailangan sa dahilan na ang mga tao sa Filipinas ay marunong
> naman magsalita ng English. Nasa kagustuhan na iyan ng mga kabataan kung
> mag-aaral sila at kung ayaw nila 'di huwag na.
>
Ewan ko ba, pero hindi 'yata iyon ang tanging dahilan kaya nagnanais ang
ibang kabataang Pilipino (na ipinanganak at lumaki dito sa Amerika at
saka doon sa tulad ni DJ AWKKAZT na bata pa ay nilisan na ang Pilipinas
para humanap ng mabuting kapalaran dito sa 'tate) na tanungin ang
kanilang sarili, o di kaya'y ang kanilang magulang, at ang mga
nakakatanda sa kanilang paligid ukol sa kanilang lahi, kultura, at
anumang bagay na ukol sa inang bayan na Pilipinas. Sa tingin ko ay
natural na nangyayari ito sa mga kabataang nag-hahanap ng kanyang sarili
lalo na doon sa mga nag-aaral sa kolehiyo at pamantasan dito sa Amerika
-- na karamihan na ay iniingayok ang kanilang mga estudyante na unawain
at pag-aralan ang kanilang sariling kultura at ganoon na din sa kultura
ng ibang bansa upang maitaas ang pag-uunawaan ng mga tao at maiwasan din
minsan ang hindi pagkakaunawaan sa isat-isa. Hindi lang wika ang
tinutukoy ko dito sapagkat hindi lang iyan ang nilalaman ng kultura.
Maaari din nilang pag-aralan ang kasaysayan ng bansa at ang mga bayani
na ipinagmamalaki nito. Lalo na itong mga bayani natin -- kung ang mga
ito ay napag-aaralan ng ating mga kabataan ay siguradong malaki ang
maiitulong nito sa pagtingin nila sa sarili nilang lahi. At mapalad
talaga ang bansang tulad ng Pilipinas dahil tayo ay maraming mga bayani
-- babae man o lalake -- na dapat talaga nating ipagmalaki. Kung
titingnan mo siguro 'yong ibang bansa sa Asia ay makikita mo na halos
wala silang mga bayani na ipagmamalaki -- samantalang ang kasaysayan ng
Pilipinas ay talagang mayaman sa mga ito. Tulad halimbawa nitong bansang
Malaysia, alam mo ba na ang ministro nilang si Anwar Ibrahim ay
hangang-hanga sa bayani nating si Rizal at iminungkahi pa nga niya sa
mga ibang bansang lahi ng "malay" na ituring nilang lahat na si Rizal
ang magin bayani ng lahat "malay" sa Asia.
Pero, na-palayo yata ako sa ating pinag-uusapan dito :-). Bumalik tayo
sa ating talagang paksa : kung kailangan pang pag-aralan ang ating
sariling wika. Taga-saang parte ka ba ng Amerika, Tikbalang? Doon ba sa
inyong lugar ay maraming mga lahing hispanico? Tulad halimbawa ng mga
galing sa Mexico, Central America, at iba pa. Alam mo eh dito sa
California ay marami sila at ako'y minsang natutuwa at naiinggit minsan
pag may nakikita akong mga kabataan nila na sama-sama at nag-uusap-usap.
Ang kanilang magulang ay hindi nahihiyang gamitin ang sarili nilang wika
sa pag-uusap sa kanilang maliliit na mga anak. Ganoon din ang kanilang
mga kabataan -- hindi sila nahihiyang gamitin ang kanilang sariling wika
kapag sila'y nasa publiko. Ang tanong ko minsan sa sarili ko ay : bakit
kaya hindi ganoon ang mga Pilipino? Alam kong maraming klaseng "dialect"
tayong mga Pilipino pero sa dinami-dami nating mga naka-kaintindi ng
Tagalog e bakit ni halos wala akong makitang mga kabataang
Pilipino-American na nag-uusap sa pamamagitan ng Tagalog. Bakit kaya?
Iyong kayang pagtingin nila sa ating sariling wika ay natututunan nila
sa kanilang mga magulang at ng ating komunidad?
> Ang masaklap diyan kung banatan ka naman ng pasagot na matalas sa kanila
> na kung bakit lumayas ka sa ating bansa at naging Free Rider na lang sa
> Amerika. Huwag na natin pang ipilit sa kanila kung bakit. Kung hindi rin
> tayo handang sumagot ay malilito lamang sila kung saan naman gagamitin ang
> wikang Filipino.
>
> Ang mabuti pa ay itanim lagi sa isip mga kabataan na maging role model at
> iwas sa mga masamang bisyo ngayon sa Amerika na katulad ng drugs at mga
> ibang bisyo na nakakakilabot. Magiging celebrities sa larangan ng Sports,
> Sciences, at Business ay iyan sana ang dapat na ipahiwatig sa kanila. Sa
> ganoon ay magiging sikat ang Filipinong Amerikano.
Siguro naman ay hindi kailangang maging "sikat" muna ang Pilipino bago
maging role-model ng ating mga kabataan. Sapat siguro na maunawain natin
ang kanilang pangangailangan habang sila'y lumalaki.
*kama...@kurokuro.net
DJ,
I think you should have asked this question in English to address those
that did not learn how to speak the Filipino language.
Parents can always make the decision, but its wise to get
a feedback from the youth that never learned but wanted to.
There are those that read this NG that do have opinions on this....
so speak up, a lot of us that can teach you or youth like you
that maybe younger and can still be taught.
Do them a favor and state your opinions.
As for me, I teach whatever I know (which maybe nothing).
Phasers will be set on stun and Nelix will hold off on the
Klingon meals.
Rhett Valino Pascual
In article <*kamagong*-31079723...@ppp-207-214-222-2.hywr01.pacbell.net>,
>Parents can always make the decision, but its wise to get
>a feedback from the youth that never learned but wanted to.
Here's my hypothesis. Since the parents who speak the dialects don't
think it's a big deal to speak the language, they don't put as much value
on speaking the filipino dialects as speaking english. In one way, they
try to make life easier for their kids by having them learn only one
language. On the other hand, it is difficult for parents to be constantly
interrupted and asked, "what does that mean?"
It is odd though since if your parents speak a language you don't
understand, as a child, one would want to understand what your parent is
babbling about. I remember trying to learn ilokano when i was ten or
eleven.
REtongCookingKharsh(the worm thingie the klingons munch while the worm
wiggles)
--
DJ AWTKAZT
i have read some feedback and more questions pop into my head. do a lot
of us really don't believe that our language is that "important" to
preserve? it's funny how i see a lot of filipino parents in my area
would rather "struggle" to speak english to their young than speak a
language that flows freely straight from the heart. and then they find
it amazing how i have resided here in the u.s. longer than their
sons/daughters and still am capable of speaking filipino as if i've only
been here for a couple of months. isn't that kind of weird? how come a
lot of the other "immigrants" that i know feel that they have to
preserve their language, since it's a "major" part of their culture.
like my hispanic friend for example. he believes that speaking spanish
is the most important part of their culture next to his religion. but
us, why not a lot of us filipinos feel this way? a lot of us feel as if
this native language of ours is only some type of clothing that's meant
to be tried on and discarded as time passes by. isn't the loss of one's
language the beginning of a cultural breakdown? remember florante's
song? "....si gat jose rizal, noo'y nagwika. siya ay nagpangaral sa
ating bansa. ang hindi raw magmahal sa sariling wika, ay higit pa ang
amoy sa mabahong isda...." whatever did happen to dr. jose rizal's
teachings? is this only the way of the past and is best to be
forgotten? isn't his teachings a part of our culture too? or is it
nothing but mere foolish words of a dead man? is learning our language
now only an option? but isn't this supposed to be with us in our hearts
since birth? i fear that one day philippine culture will be no more.
it started when i was in the fourth grade. a year before, my language
class was called pilipino, and fourth grade comes, it's called
filipino. and then the philippine alphabet changed, and now i
immigrated here and a lot of the filipinos that i first met didn't even
know the language (except for the bad ones which they felt are the only
words they needed to learn). i'm starting to believe that the phrase
"proud to be pilipino" is nothing but mere empty words. what's
happening to us people? remember the old saying, "isang bansa, isang
wika, isang diwa"? how are we going to be one people without a
significant common bond? in the future, is our culture only going to
consist of filipino food, name brand clothes, and pop music? isn't this
what's starting to happen now? i don't know, i might be off the wall,
but i am really just concerned of what's going to happen in the future
to my beloved culture, especially my dying language. with these points
in mind i ask again, hindi ba kailangan pa?
DJ AWTKAZT
ROBERT ABIOG VELASCO
RP-78INF
DJ AWTKAZT
opinyon lamang, sa tingin ba ninyo na kailangan pang matutunan ng mga
kabataan dito sa tate and ating wikang pambansa? bakit? ang ating
wikang pambansa ba ay isang bagay na maituturing ginintuang kayamanan ng
ating kultura na dapat ipasa sa ating mga kabataan? o ito ba ay isang
bagay na naiwan na natin sa ninoy aquino airport noong umalis tayo sa
ating lupang kinalakihan? tanong lamang po ng isang bata na kinatatakot
ang pagkawala ng ating kultura.
just your opinion, do you people think that the filipino youth living in
the u.s. need to learn their native language? why? is our native
language a special thing that can be thought of as some kind of golden
treasure of our culture that needs to be passed on to our young? or is
it something that we have left at ninoy aquino airport when we left our
motherland? just an opinion question from a child that fears the loss
of our culture.
Pedro Penduko
When my daughters were growing up, English was it! Now that they are
teeners, they want to learn tagalog, also their cousins want to learn
tagalog and it it is not to late. The best way to teach them to speak
tagalog is to send them home by themselves, live with the family back home.
"but Dad, they all want to speak and practise their English on me" my
eledest daughter said. But she learned tagalog. My youngest daughter is in
the Phil now learning the language and learning a third one bicolano, she's
in a farm over there.She's down to the basics.she has to milk the cow if
she wants fresh milk, shakes the tree for pili nuts. fishes for mudfish for
nah.. she does not like fish. She called me up the other day, and she was
crying and sad , she said. "Dad, remeber those baby pigs that I told you we
bought for the farm, well, they are roasting two of them for Mamang's
Birthday", Sorry that I am digressing, I miss my Franny (daughter.
--
Pedro Penduko
^ ________^
^ ^
^ " Subukan pamu, para mabalu ! "
*kamagong*@kurokuro.net wrote in article
<*kamagong*-31079723...@ppp-207-214-222-2.hywr01.pacbell.net>...
> DJ,
>
> I think you should have asked this question in English to address those
> that did not learn how to speak the Filipino language.
>
> Parents can always make the decision, but its wise to get
> a feedback from the youth that never learned but wanted to.
>
Rhett Valino Pascual
In article <33E234...@worldnet.att.net>,
lemonhead <cdcd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>didn't you come to america to be an american? why the heck are you so
>concerned about the seeming lack of use of the filipino vernacular among
>fil-am youths then? in america we speak english.
You know lemon, your mouth is once more running without the knowledge of
your head. Knock, Knock, Knock!!! Anyone there? Are you that infinitely
dense that you actually think the above? Do you really think that
filipinos come to the united states to become americans? Did you come
here to be an american?
Could you please explain to me in detail the logic of your thesis?
Actually, can you explain to me what your thesis is, if you have one. Are
you saying that speaking the filipino dialects is not important in
america? Is that your thesis? I would like to know if you would want to
support your ideas with statements of proof or your own logic before I
start flaming you, or discussing with you or just simply ignoring you.
It's too bad that you are limited by your ability to post insults yet
when it comes down to it, your opinions are left unexplored. At least the
outcast has shown his ability to elucidate his thoughts both in english
and tagalog. I might even say that he was quite eloquent with his
statements. you on the other hand have a big problem with putting 13
sentences together to make a thought. Are you envious of the fact that
outcast has managed to create a thread which people want to discuss?
Well, why don't you scrunch over the porcelain throne and dunk your head
into the water. The refreshing coolness of the lake in the porcelain will
probably cause a severe hemorrhage in your brain which might cause some
blood to fill your cerebrovascualar system and cause your neurons to start
firing away like there was no tomorrow. Or you could take some crack
cocaine. That might cause you to have some sort of imagination.
So, can you finally prove to us once more whether you have a brain you use
or your brain is just there so that your head does not float out to
space. I for one am getting tired with your missives which belong with
the postings of one tony padua. Perhaps the two of you can split the
newspapers and he can review the music scene while you review the cartoon
sections.
REtongKnockKnockKNock!!!!
--
lemonhead
lemonhead
Rhett Valino Pascual wrote:
>
> In article <33E234...@worldnet.att.net>,
> lemonhead <cdcd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> >concerned about the seeming lack of use of the filipino vernacular among
> >fil-am youths then? in america we speak english.
>
it's just sickening, you know, them filipinos who come to the us and
apply for citizenship and eventually become citizens and enjoy the the
privileges of being part of the world's richest and most powerful
nation and whatnot and they become paranoid because it seems to them
that their kids do not care about their filipino heritage and don't
speak their filipino vernacular and that filipino culture is becoming
extinct in america so that they cry "what have i done wrong, what can i
do to prevent the death of filipino culture in america?". my point is
that if they are gonna become chronically constipated from worrying
about their kids abandoning their filipino identity here in america then
it's best that they go back home to the motherland, that way they don't
have to spend so much on laxatives.
hey uc berkeley dude, outcast posted a thought, i responded. what the
heck are you bitching about me not supporting my thesis, not being smart
enough to be able to put together coherently 13 sentences to support a
claim, not having the eloquence worthy of scf and a partridge in a pear
tree? i know your writing ability is superb and your rebuttal skills are
excellent and you are capable of expounding on any given subject as if
you're an expert at it and that you're a homosexual, but having these
credentials don't give you the right to say i'm braindead just because
my posts don't eat up gazillion bytes of space.
TatieA
>Subject: kailangan pa ba?
>From: DJ AWTKAZT <djaw...@worldnet.att.net>
>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 00:57:19 -0400
>Message-ID: <33DC26...@worldnet.att.net>
>
>opinyon lamang, sa tingin ba ninyo na kailangan pang matutunan ng mga
>kabataan dito sa tate and ating wikang pambansa? bakit? ang ating
>wikang pambansa ba ay isang bagay na maituturing ginintuang kayamanan ng
>ating kultura na dapat ipasa sa ating mga kabataan?
Tanong lang....kung tayo kaya ang "NANAKOP" ipagpalit kaya natin ang ating
wika at kultura doon sa ating mga sinakop.Pipilitin kaya natin ang mga
anak natin na pag-aralan ang mga wika na ating sinakop?
Hindi kaya ito ay palatandaan lamang na tayo ay sinakop maging ang ating
isipan na hangang ngayon ay naguguluhan kung alin talaga ang dapat
pag-aralan.Bakit hindi natin ipakita na tayo ay "malaya" na bansang may
sariling wika! To speak and write in more than one language is an
advantage.
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
>
> it's just sickening, you know, them filipinos who come to the us and
> apply for citizenship and eventually become citizens and enjoy the the
> privileges of being part of the world's richest and most powerful
> nation and whatnot and they become paranoid because it seems to them
> that their kids do not care about their filipino heritage and don't
> speak their filipino vernacular and that filipino culture is becoming
> extinct in america so that they cry "what have i done wrong, what can i
> do to prevent the death of filipino culture in america?". my point is
> that if they are gonna become chronically constipated from worrying
> about their kids abandoning their filipino identity here in america then
> it's best that they go back home to the motherland, that way they don't
> have to spend so much on laxatives.
>
does this word fit this person so perfect or what? so you are trying to
say, a little bit of "privilege" (which i consider chump change
considering all the bull!@#$ that they have done to our
motherland---which i don't want to stray off on now since it's a
different flame subject)means giving up on your cultural identity? you
sound like a damned prostitute or if you were black back in the slave
era, you sound like a damned house nigger!! oh yes, a little bit of
social security would do; matter of fact, let me dye my hair blonde and
skin white!!! do you even read what the hell you write? you would sell
your innerself for what you would claim as "privilege"? how low can you
go? do you have no sense of cultural pride? matter of fact, how old
are you? i mean i know i asked for peoples' opinions, but your @#$% is
absurd bro! what the hell kind of feedback are you bringing back to
this thread? i started this to provoke cultural awareness and you come
up with bull@$#. whew, ok let me contain myself. all i'm saying is
that type of thinking needs to stop. this "bahala na" type of mindset
is really creating a devastating effect on our cultural loss. for real
though dick, i mean lemonhead, like in that response i gave you, idiots
like you i strongly believe should be lined up and shot in the head for
you serve this country nor our motherland no purpose but to corrupt the
minds our filipino youth and give foreigners false ideas about
filipinos.
p.s.
SCF'rs please excuse the references. and dick este lemonhead, try not
to say "proud to be pilipino" baka tamaan ka ng kidlat!!! he he he.
DJ AWTKAZT
R.A.V.
RP78-INF
Rhett Valino Pascual
i realize of course that lemonhead actually posted something of worth in
the thread that discusses life in the united states compared to the
philippines. however, the majority of his posts often lack reflexivity
<okay ba augusto?> and analysis of serious questions posed by a filipino.
considering that i spent an hour in the flame i posted, i decided, what
the heck, might as well post it up to amuse people. hopefully, the flame
will amuse someone out there.
and let's get this right. my flames are based on what people write. not
whether i was a female or a male on that particular morning. if you
suddenly find yourself being flamed, i'm not picking on you. I'm picking
on what you wrote the last few weeks.
By the way, martial law is still in effect as if you folks did not know.
Any stupid, irrelevant or foolish post will be challenged with a post
equally stupid, childish and irrelevant. Hopefully the collision of the
1st stupid post with the 2nd stupid post will create hilarity in scf. at
worst, we should get a smile from the collision.
REtongMartialLawSupremeCommander
--
Rhett Valino Pascual
For your information lemonhead, you used exactly five sentences in the
post below. Of course, if you used some sort of grammer checker, you
probably could have gotten 10 sentences. If you wanted proof that you
could not put together 13 sentences together, you have it on the bottom.
lemonhead <cdcd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>it's just sickening, you know, them filipinos who come to the us and
>apply for citizenship and eventually become citizens and enjoy the the
>privileges of being part of the world's richest and most powerful
>nation and whatnot and they become paranoid because it seems to them
>that their kids do not care about their filipino heritage and don't
>speak their filipino vernacular and that filipino culture is becoming
>extinct in america so that they cry "what have i done wrong, what can i
>do to prevent the death of filipino culture in america?".
Why should it be sickening? Why would people who look for their culture
when they have established their capacity to support their basic human
needs be sickening? I see the Irish-Americans in Chicago playing the bags
and pipes
when a policeman or fireman dies. I see the Chinese-Americans celebrate
the Lunar New Year in CHINATOWN every february. I see everyone celebrate
Mardi Gras in New Orleans every year. In fact, I see that ethnic pride
and celebrations are constantly held throughout the year. Heck, I even
saw some people celebrate the Scottish Rite Gathering. By the way, your
statement above is one sentence. Wow!!!
Can you explain to me why it would be sickening to try and define one's
culture, background and history? Heck, if i wanted a low blow right now,
I would ask you what are you doing here? Why aren't you just surfing
somewhere else? Isn't it because you need to define yourself and reaffirm
yourself as a filipino? Isn't it because under a different dominant
culture, you need to find your own identitity in a familiar culture?
If i did not know any better, I would say that you are afraid of accepting
the fact that the filipino culture is important. If i did not know any
better, i would suggest that deep down, you just want to be an american
and forget all the primitive little filipino traditions and cultural
beliefs which have held back your progress into a new man. If i did not
know any better, I would say that you don't like your filipino culture.
But then again, I am not that stupid.
>my point is
>that if they are gonna become chronically constipated from worrying
>about their kids abandoning their filipino identity here in america then
>it's best that they go back home to the motherland, that way they don't
>have to spend so much on laxatives.
It's amusing how easily you disregard what it seems to me so much a big
question mark in everyone's mind here. i remember that phase. It lasted
approximately 10 years. Then, someone asked me what made me filipino.
After i had some problems defining, I had to ask myself that question.
However, your solution for parents to go back to the philippines to save
on laxatives is laughable at best and pitiful at worst. Would you go back
to the philippines if you were faced with the same questions we are
facing? Would you permanently take your children back to the philippines
in the face of certain inconveniences just to teach them culture? Could
you not teach them filipino culture while they are here?
>hey uc berkeley dude, outcast posted a thought, i responded. what the
>heck are you bitching about me not supporting my thesis, not being smart
>enough to be able to put together coherently 13 sentences to support a
>claim, not having the eloquence worthy of scf and a partridge in a pear
>tree?
I believe that the majority of your previous posts are stupid, loose,
foolish and dumb. Some are one sentence missives; others are just not
logical. You can take the quoted parts here as my proof for the latter
part of my assertion. You can take your stalking behavior of tatie as
proof that you often post stupidly and irresponsibly.
>i know your writing ability is superb and your rebuttal skills are
>excellent and you are capable of expounding on any given subject as if
>you're an expert at it and that you're a homosexual, but having these
>credentials don't give you the right to say i'm braindead just because
>my posts don't eat up gazillion bytes of space.
What you said above is true. What gives me the right to say you are
braindead is the
tons of crap which you have posted. You say things which are opinions but
they don't have any clear logic. You say things which are laughable when
examined by someone with a half functioning brain. You say you are trying
to contribute, but you are not open to other ideas. You use sarcasm and
yet you don't show an alternative. You are just like ketosis, but you are
worse because you are a fellow filipino trying to dismiss what other
filipinos find important. Ketosis can hide behind the idea that perhaps
he is not filipino and that he does not understand filipino rules of
behavior. But then again, ketosis has made intimations that he is
filipino. in which case, the two of you belong on the same boat.
Get up and smell the coffee!!! If you
want to be an asshole, you need to live up to some expectations like me
and Totoy Tigas and bob the parrot. You need to be able to make people
laugh. But noooooo, you just turn people off. You are trying to be an
honorable contributor when your tactics employ the same tactics of flamers
and trollers.
Figure out what you want to be in this newsgroup. if you want to be
respected, start posting with posts which show you thought about what you
wanted to say. Otherwise, if you keep posting like you have done so, you
are going to join totoy, retong and bob in our putrid little pond of
excrement and spit. Even if you cover your words with little satins of
elegance, i will rip those disguises and point out that you are just like
me, a flamer and a troller.
REtong
--
--
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
>
> didn't you come to america to be an american? why the heck are you so
> concerned about the seeming lack of use of the filipino vernacular among
> fil-am youths then? in america we speak english.
lemonhead wrote:
> didn't you come to america to be an american? why the heck are you so
> concerned about the seeming lack of use of the filipino vernacular among
> fil-am youths then? in america we speak english.
no lemonhead. i didn't come to america to be an american. see this type
of shit is what i hate about some filipinos. are you so god damned
disgusted of your race that you want to be something else than what you
really are? i *had* to leave the philippines due to circumstances that
you would be too damned narrow minded to understand. i would want to be
nothing *but* a filipino. i am a filipino by born, by heart and by
soul. i speak, eat, live, and breathe filipino. I LIVE AND WOULD BE
MORE THAN HAPPY TO SACRIFICE MY LIFE AS A PROUD FILIPINO. i was born a
filipino and would die a filipino. people like you are the cause of our
cultural breakdown. why, are you too concerned with material things and
too busy putting your mask on everyday to have even the slightest of
cultural awareness? people who are following this thread, you know
damned well you didn't go to america to be an american, but to take
advantage of what america has to offer. i know i went here to juice
this country for all it can offer me; and not to lose my identity.
lemon, do you call yourself filipino? can you even consider yourself
one? ang kapal ng mukha mo pare, pinandidirian kita! hypocrates like
you need to be lined up and shot in the head for you serve this country
nor our country no purpose but to corrupt the filipino youths' minds and
give foreigners false knowledge about true filipinos.
"if you don't know where you came from, you wouldn't know where you're
headed. ignorance is not an excuse, but a disease that's plaguing our
culture"
--DJ
AWTKAZT
ROBERT ABIOG VELASCO
DJ AWTKAZT
RP-78INF
Victor Medrano
> > >On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
> > >
> > >> opinyon lamang, sa tingin ba ninyo na kailangan pang matutunan ng
mga
> > >> kabataan dito sa tate and ating wikang pambansa? bakit? ang ating
> > >> wikang pambansa ba ay isang bagay na maituturing ginintuang
kayamanan
> > ng
> > >> ating kultura na dapat ipasa sa ating mga kabataan? o ito ba ay
isang
> > >> bagay na naiwan na natin sa ninoy aquino airport noong umalis tayo
sa
> > >> ating lupang kinalakihan? tanong lamang po ng isang bata na
> > kinatatakot
> > >> ang pagkawala ng ating kultura.
> > >>
> > >>
Talagang sayang ang Tagalog!
Kitang-kita ang erosyon ng kulturang pilipino sa Pilipinas at dito sa
Norteamerika.
Hindi gaya ng mga Intsik o Hapon, ang Pilipino ay masyadong minamahal ang
Inggles. Ano ba ang ginagamit ng mga ito sa mga dokumento ng negosyo,
gobyerno, edukasyon, o teknolohiya? Sa karamihan ay Inggles!
Dito sa Kanada, ang mga diyaryong Pilipino ay gamit ang Inggles, hindi
Tagalog. Nakakahiya! Ang problema ay hindi malaki ang literatura sa
Tagalog.
Dapat tumingin ang Pilipino sa kanilang kapitbahay, sa Indonesia at
Malaysia. Doon ang gamit nila ay wikang Malay (ang tawag nila ay "Bahasa
Melayu" o "Bahasa Indonesia"); gamit nila ito sa teknolohiya, negosyo,
gobyerno, at edukasyon. Ang ginagawa nila ay pinalalaki ang kanilang
bokabularyo para puwedeng gamitin sa lahat ng mga linya. Dapat gayahin ito
ng Pilipino. Puwede namang i-Tagalog ang mga salitang Inggles o Kastila.
Halimbawa... Ano ang Tagalog sa "DNA" (deoxyribonucleic acid)? Wala.
Puwede ba ang "asidong deoksiribonukleyo"? Ano ba ang "computer" sa
Tagalog? Wala. Puwede ba ang "kompyuter"? Ganito ang ginagawa ng ibang
Asyano. Sa sulat ng Intsik ang "computer" ay "utak na elektronika". Sa
Hapon ang "computer" ay "kompyutaa". Kaya malaki ang bokabularyo ng wikang
Inggles ay humiram ng maraming salita sa wikang Latina at Pranses.
Hindi sapat ang gamit ng wika sa pagkakanta at paghuhunta lamang...
Viktor Medrano
John J. Cristobal
On 2 Aug 1997, Victor Medrano wrote:
> Talagang sayang ang Tagalog!
> Kitang-kita ang erosyon ng kulturang pilipino sa Pilipinas at dito sa
> Norteamerika.
> Hindi gaya ng mga Intsik o Hapon, ang Pilipino ay masyadong minamahal ang
> Inggles. Ano ba ang ginagamit ng mga ito sa mga dokumento ng negosyo,
> gobyerno, edukasyon, o teknolohiya? Sa karamihan ay Inggles!
Ay, sinabi mo, pare ko! Kahit dito sa California, ang mga pahayagan ng
pamayanang Pilipino ay nasa Ingles. Ang mauyam talaga ay kahit saan ka
magtungo, nakakabingi ang alingawngaw ng "Filipino Pride." Kahit iyon,
Ingles din! Bakit hindi na lang sabihin na "Alab ng Lahi"?
> Dito sa Kanada, ang mga diyaryong Pilipino ay gamit ang Inggles, hindi
> Tagalog. Nakakahiya! Ang problema ay hindi malaki ang literatura sa
> Tagalog.
Sayang nga. Sana nama'y mayroong mga kataong magsinais magsulat sa
Tagalog, isang wika na isinulong ni Francisco Baltazar sa "Florante at
Laura" (at kabayan ko). Maganda at mamuyangyang, nguni't ipinapasantabi.
> Dapat tumingin ang Pilipino sa kanilang kapitbahay, sa Indonesia at
> Malaysia. Doon ang gamit nila ay wikang Malay (ang tawag nila ay "Bahasa
> Melayu" o "Bahasa Indonesia"); gamit nila ito sa teknolohiya, negosyo,
> gobyerno, at edukasyon. Ang ginagawa nila ay pinalalaki ang kanilang
> bokabularyo para puwedeng gamitin sa lahat ng mga linya. Dapat gayahin ito
> ng Pilipino. Puwede namang i-Tagalog ang mga salitang Inggles o Kastila.
SAPOL MO, PARE KO!!!
Ayan, sino man ang nagbabasa nito, isipin nang mabuti ang sinabi ni Victor.
Mayroong akong mga kaibigan na taga-Indonesia, intsik pa sila, pero ang
wikang gamit nila ay Bahasa Indonesia sa eskuwela, gobyerno, at kung saan
pa. Alalahanin natin na sinakop sila ng mga Olandes noon, at tulad nang
paghalo ng salitang Espanol sa Pilipino, ay may halo rin silang Olandes sa
kanilang katutubong wika. Kung sa ganoon, maaari ngang gawing Pilipino ang
mga banyagang salita tulad nang ginawa nila.
> Halimbawa... Ano ang Tagalog sa "DNA" (deoxyribonucleic acid)? Wala.
> Puwede ba ang "asidong deoksiribonukleyo"? Ano ba ang "computer" sa
> Tagalog? Wala. Puwede ba ang "kompyuter"? Ganito ang ginagawa ng ibang
> Asyano. Sa sulat ng Intsik ang "computer" ay "utak na elektronika". Sa
> Hapon ang "computer" ay "kompyutaa". Kaya malaki ang bokabularyo ng wikang
> Inggles ay humiram ng maraming salita sa wikang Latina at Pranses.
TUMPAK ang iyong pagsusuri. Sa aking pananaw, kinkailangan na may gawin
ang gobyerno sa Pilipinas kung nais nilang mabuhay pa ang wikang Pilipino.
Unti-unting napapalitan ang mga salita ng Ingles dahil sa maling kuru-kuro
na mas "nakakaangat" at "edukado" ang nag-iingles. Ang nangyayari ngayon
ay Taglish na ang nagiging pambansang wika. Kung hindi ako nagkakamali, sa
Indonesia hindi itinuturo ang Ingles hanggang sa pagsampa ng mataas na
paaralan. Hindi kaya dapat ganoon din sa atin, upang mas matindi ang
pundasyon sa wikang katutubo?
> Hindi sapat ang gamit ng wika sa pagkakanta at paghuhunta lamang...
>
> Viktor Medrano
Tama, kahit ba hindi maaaring di-matangay sa mga salita ni Basil:
"Kapag dalampasiga'y nahagkan ang kastilyo ay nabubuwal..."
--John
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John J. Cristobal
> lemonhead wrote:
> > didn't you come to america to be an american? why the heck are you so
> > concerned about the seeming lack of use of the filipino vernacular among
> > fil-am youths then? in america we speak english.
Americans, despite the exceedingly strong influence it has on Filipino
culture. Most came here for a better future for themselves and their
families. Outcast's argument holds water, for language is one of the
strongest retainers of culture, if not THE primary means.
What I see in most Filipino parents in the US is a hesitation or lack of
motivation to persevere in teaching their children Pilipino, partly because
of their belief that it will hinder their academic performance in school. I
say, look at the Chinese. I know many whose parents don't speak English and
and were raised in Cantonese or Mandarin, yet they're the ones who are
straight-A students. Surely we can also engrain the language to the
younger generation so that they develop a strong sense of identity, values,
and heritage. It breaks my heart everytime I hear about young Pinoys waste
their life on gangs or of young Pinays get pregnant out of wedlock.
> lemon, do you call yourself filipino? can you even consider yourself
> one? ang kapal ng mukha mo pare, pinandidirian kita! hypocrates like
> you need to be lined up and shot in the head for you serve this country
> nor our country no purpose but to corrupt the filipino youths' minds and
Hay, kaunting lamig lang! Iparating ng mahinahon ang mensahe para mag-
kaunawaan. Magserbesa muna tayo :)
Rodrigo A. Dar
lemonhead wrote:
>.... in america we speak english.
X kiyuuuuuuuus me! Where do you get the impression that here in America
we speak, and I assume you meant to include the word "only", English?
--
Rodrigo (Rudy) A. Dar
San Jose, CA
_DEFAULT
I feel that filipino kids of today have no focus and do not really know
where the filipino movement is heading. Due to this disillusionment, many
kids detatch themselves from anything 'cultural.' If it's not 'beneficial'
to their status here in America, why bother getting interested in it? Why
waste time? Personally, I like to learn as much as I can about my
heritage. I like reading the works of Rizal or reading about Mabini and
the revolution. But I guess I'm a diamond in the rough.
DJ AWTKAZT <djaw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<33E19D...@worldnet.att.net>...
TatieA
Remember this Slogan "NINOY HINDI KA NAG-IISA"
Well, this is for you Lemonhead, "FERDINAND NAG-IISA KA!!!"
Buti nga sa iyo!!!!!!!!
When Ninoy said, " The Filipino people are worth dying for"
you were not included lemonhead.
TatieBwahahahahahahahahahahaha
(Rhetong pasensya ka na ginaya ko ang halakhak mo,baka idemanda mo ako ng
plagiarism)
antonqui
In article <01bc9f7a$d349b1e0$cef0aecc@victor-home>,
"Victor Medrano" <vmed...@direct.ca> wrote:
>
> Talagang sayang ang Tagalog!
>
> Kitang-kita ang erosyon ng kulturang pilipino sa Pilipinas at dito sa
> Norteamerika.
> Hindi gaya ng mga Intsik o Hapon, ang Pilipino ay masyadong minamahal ang
> Inggles. Ano ba ang ginagamit ng mga ito sa mga dokumento ng negosyo,
> gobyerno, edukasyon, o teknolohiya? Sa karamihan ay Inggles!
>
> Tagalog. Nakakahiya! Ang problema ay hindi malaki ang literatura sa
> Tagalog.
>
> Malaysia. Doon ang gamit nila ay wikang Malay (ang tawag nila ay "Bahasa
> Melayu" o "Bahasa Indonesia"); gamit nila ito sa teknolohiya, negosyo,
> gobyerno, at edukasyon. Ang ginagawa nila ay pinalalaki ang kanilang
> bokabularyo para puwedeng gamitin sa lahat ng mga linya. Dapat gayahin ito
> ng Pilipino. Puwede namang i-Tagalog ang mga salitang Inggles o Kastila.
>
> Puwede ba ang "asidong deoksiribonukleyo"? Ano ba ang "computer" sa
> Tagalog? Wala. Puwede ba ang "kompyuter"? Ganito ang ginagawa ng ibang
> Asyano. Sa sulat ng Intsik ang "computer" ay "utak na elektronika". Sa
> Hapon ang "computer" ay "kompyutaa". Kaya malaki ang bokabularyo ng wikang
> Inggles ay humiram ng maraming salita sa wikang Latina at Pranses.
>
>
> Viktor Medrano
Mayroon akong nabasang parte ng isang debate sa porsiyong letter to the
editor ng isang sikat na pahayagan sa Pilipinas ilang taon na ang
nakalilipas. Propesor ng UP ang tumutugon sa sulat ng kadebate. Bakit daw
tayong mga Pilipino ay iginigiit ang paggamit ng Ingles sa halos lahat ng
bagay. Isa sa kanyang mga punto ay kung bakit daw masyado nating
ipinagyayabang na isa tayo sa mga bansa na kung mayroong maraming taong
nakakapagsalita ng Ingles. Tanong niya, "Umasenso ba tayo"? Maraming mga
bansa ang sumulong at sumusulong na hindi kinailangan matutong magsalita
o magsulat ng Ingles kagaya ng Taiwan, Japan, Germany, China, France,
Hongkong, Malaysia, atbp. Tanong niya, "Ipinagmamalaki ba natin ang
pagkakaroon ng English-speaking workforce around the world na in-demand
karamihan nama’y mga alila, piyon, elektrisyan, at iba pang posisyon na
nagbibigay ng mababang suweldo"? Maliban dito, karamihan sa mga
prupesyunal natin ay hindi naman pinakikinabangan ng Pilipinas kundi
nagsisipunta sa US, Canada, UK, at Australia? Brain drain kung tawagin?
Totoo na maraming salitang ingles ang walang katumbas sa ating wika pero
hindi ba ganito rin ang nangyayari sa ibang mga nasyon na ang ginagamit
ay ang kanilang wika? Maraming salita ang nagsisisulputan na imposibleng
nasa bokubularyo rin ng iba pang mga lenghuae. Pansinin ninyo ang mga
produktong binibili ninyo na may banyagang translasyon bukod sa Ingles.
Mapapansin ninyo na mayroong salitang hawig sa Ingles. Katotohanan na
sila rin ay nagkakaroon ng problema sa pagsasalin ng mga salitang wala sa
kanilang bokabularyo. Ngunit ang buod ng kanilang wika ay naka-preserba.
Noong nasa Cebu ako nadiskubre ko na wala silang salitang yelo kundi
‘ice’. Ang tsokolate ay sukwate. Ang salitang ‘illustration’, halimbawa,
ay puwede ring ilustrasyon sa tagalog.
Pero napapalayo na yata tayo sa diskusyon. Ang tanong ay, "Kailangan pa
ba"? Ito'y kani-kanyang sariling preperensiya na...kagaya ng nabanggit ni
Mang Pedro na wala raw siyang pakialam kung ano ang ituro mo sa iyong
tahanan. (Maiba ako, ang SCF ay hindi forum para makialam sa buhay ng may
buhay kundi ipahiwatig lamang ang sa palagay ng sumusulat ang ilan sa mga
kamalian natin - sa kanyang opinyon...Kung ang tunog man ay pakikialam, e
marami tayong maaakusahan dito na pakialamero).
Kailangan pa ba? Malinaw ang sagot, kung dito ka naninirahan sa US,
Canada, o Australia at wala nang balak pang bumalik ang pamilya mo sa
Pilipinas o makipag-associate sa iyong mga kalahi, sa palagay ko’y hindi
na kailangan. Gagawin ko ang lahat ng aking makakaya para maging isang
tunay na ‘Kano’ ang aking mga anak at makasali ng maayos sa sosiyedad na
kanilang kinalakihan. Maaaring himukin ko pa silang magsipag-asawa ng
puti. Ang katotohanang nandito ako sa SCF ay malinaw na hindi ko kayang
lisanin ang kulturang aking kinalakihan. Matagal ko nang hinarap ang
katotohanang ako at aking mga magiging anak ay hindi kailanman magiging
mentalidad na puti kundi Pilipino. I have faced the fact that we can
never completely and truly belong to a society that has a completely
different past and where the majority have different physical
appearance...
As Rene Saguisag, a brilliant lawyer who always prefer to speak in
Tagalog when interviewed, quipped in one talk show, "Kinubabawan ng
makamundong pagnanasa...".
-antonqui
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>
>(Rhetong pasensya ka na ginaya ko ang halakhak mo,baka idemanda mo ako ng
>plagiarism)
Ayos lang yan. Alam ko namang talagang nahalakhak ka nung iyong nabasa
ang pinagsasabi ni kaibigang kalamansi. Ang hindi ko lang alam ngayon eh
kung si lemonhead ay makikinig sa paumanhin natin. Nakita ba ninyo yung
isa niyang sulat? Aba, napakatino at napakaayos.
Siguro, kung gusto niyang magkalat ng lagim katulad ni parrot, eh meroon
ding lugar dito sa scf para sa kaniya. nakakahiya nga lang na siya lang
at si parrot ang magkakaintindihan.
REtongHalikaRito-parrot
--
Victor Medrano
Si John J. Cristobal <udu0...@email.sjsu.edu> sumulat:
> Sa 2 Awg 1997, Si Victor Medrano sumulat:
> > Halimbawa... Ano ang Tagalog sa "DNA" (deoxyribonucleic acid)? Wala.
> > Puwede ba ang "asidong deoksiribonukleyo"? Ano ba ang "computer" sa
> > Tagalog? Wala. Puwede ba ang "kompyuter"? Ganito ang ginagawa ng
ibang
> > Asyano. Sa sulat ng Intsik ang "computer" ay "utak na elektronika".
Sa
> > Hapon ang "computer" ay "kompyuutaa".
> > Kaya malaki ang bokabularyo ng wikang
> > Inggles ay humiram ng maraming salita sa wikang Latina at Pranses.
>
> TUMPAK ang iyong pagsusuri. Sa aking pananaw, kinkailangan na may gawin
> ang gobyerno sa Pilipinas kung nais nilang mabuhay pa ang wikang
Pilipino.
> Unti-unting napapalitan ang mga salita ng Ingles dahil sa maling
kuru-kuro
> na mas "nakakaangat" at "edukado" ang nag-iingles. Ang nangyayari ngayon
> ay Taglish na ang nagiging pambansang wika. Kung hindi ako nagkakamali,
sa
> Indonesia hindi itinuturo ang Ingles hanggang sa pagsampa ng mataas na
> paaralan. Hindi kaya dapat ganoon din sa atin, upang mas matindi ang
> pundasyon sa wikang katutubo?
Palagay ko nga na dapat ganoon din sa Pilipinas. Masyado naman ang
dependensiya sa Inggles. Nagiging dayo ang Pilipino sa kanilang sariling
lupa. Palibhasa'y "Sesame Street" na laang ang pinanunuod ng mga batang
Pilipino!
Biktor
John J. Cristobal
On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Alice Rose Fajardo wrote:
> Mag-iisang taon pa lang ako dito pero nararamdaman ko na kailangan kong
> turuan ang anak ko na mag Tagalog dahil sa aking pagmamasid sa mga bata
> dito ay nalimutan na ang wikang Filipino dahil natatakot ang mga
> magulang na bumagal matuto ang bata ng ingles.
>
> Isa sa hinangaan ko ay ang Tito ko dahil tinuruan niya ang mga anak niya
> na matuto ng Tagalog kahit sila ay pinanganak dito at hanggang ngayon
> marunong pa rin sila at ipinagmamalaki nila ito. At sa pamamagitan din
[kaltas]
Kahanga-hanga ang inyong pagturo ng kultura sa inyong mga anak sa
pamamagitan ng pagturo ng wikang Pilipino. Sana'y marami ang tumulad
sa inyo.
Jun B.
On 7 Aug 1997 00:32:11 GMT, "Victor Medrano" <vmed...@direct.ca>
wrote:
:Si John J. Cristobal <udu0...@email.sjsu.edu> sumulat:
:> TUMPAK ang iyong pagsusuri. Sa aking pananaw, kinkailangan na may gawin
:> ang gobyerno sa Pilipinas kung nais nilang mabuhay pa ang wikang
:Pilipino.
:> Unti-unting napapalitan ang mga salita ng Ingles dahil sa maling
:kuru-kuro
:> na mas "nakakaangat" at "edukado" ang nag-iingles. Ang nangyayari ngayon
:> ay Taglish na ang nagiging pambansang wika. Kung hindi ako nagkakamali,
:sa
:> Indonesia hindi itinuturo ang Ingles hanggang sa pagsampa ng mataas na
:> paaralan. Hindi kaya dapat ganoon din sa atin, upang mas matindi ang
:> pundasyon sa wikang katutubo?
:
:Palagay ko nga na dapat ganoon din sa Pilipinas. Masyado naman ang
:dependensiya sa Inggles. Nagiging dayo ang Pilipino sa kanilang sariling
:lupa. Palibhasa'y "Sesame Street" na laang ang pinanunuod ng mga batang
:Pilipino!
Ako ay hindi sumasangguni sa iyong panukala na huwag ituro ang Ingles
hanggang makatuntong ang isang estudyante sa mataas na paaralan. Ito
ay dahil sa hindi mo na nga maiiwasang maharap sa wikang Ingles sa
araw-araw na pamumuhay.
Ang kailangang gawin ay tapatan ang mga palabas na katulad ng "Sesame
Street" na nagtuturo sa wikang Ingles ng mga palabas na nagtuturo sa
wikang Pilipino, tulad ng "Batibot". Pagkatapos ay paghusayin ang
pagtuturo ng wikang Pilipino sa mababa at mataas na paaralan, hanggang
sa kolehiyo at unibersidad (kung saan ay dapat isama ang mga kursong
Ingles at Pilipino sa listahan ng kinakailangang pag-aralan sa
malawakang pag-aaral (ika nga sa Ingles, required courses in General
Education). Sa katunayan pa nga, SAO (sa aking opinyon) dapat ay
ituro rin sa mga paaralan ang wastong paggamit ng mga wika ng
kanya-kanyang probinsiya, tulad ng Bisaya, Ilocano, atbp.
Ito ay upang kaya nating makipagtalastasan sa ibang tao ng mahusay, ke
Ingles, Pilipino, o ang ating nakagisnang "dialect/language" ang
gagamitin.
At kailangan na rin nating aminin na may mga bagay sa mundong ito na
sadyang walang pangalan sa wikang Pilipino. Tulad ng "computer",
"television", at "radio". Tulad nga ng sinabi mo, Victor, ang dahilan
kaya patuloy na lumalago ang wikang Ingles ay dahil hindi siya
nangingiming humiram ng salita mula sa ibang wika, tulad nga ng
Kastila, Pranses, pati na rin Pilipino (halimbawa ay "boondocks" na
galing sa salitang "bundok"). Sa aking pananaw, hindi naman
nababawasn ang wikang Pilipino kung ito'y manghihiram ng mga pangalan
mula sa ibang wika. Nabawasan ba ang wikang Pilipino nang hiramin
natin ang salitang "radio" at ginawa nating "radyo", o kaya ang
salitang "television" o "T.V." at ginawa nating "telebisyon" at
"ti-bi"? Hindi naman. Kung ganoon, bakit tayo maiilang kapag ating
ginagamit ang salitang "kompyuter"?
Nais nga ba nating tularan ang Pranses, na nais panatiliing puro ang
kanilang wika, kahit kaharap nila ang mas maikling salitang "weekend"
kumpara sa kanilang "le fin de semaine", o di kaya ang salitang
"brinkmanship" kaysa sa kanilang "le politiques du bordre de goffre"?
(Paumanhin sa aking baluktot na Pranses.) Naka-tsamba lang sila noon
sa "splashdown" na ginawa nilang "amerisssage" (na ang salin sa Ingles
ay "sea-ing").
Sa aking pananaw, hindi pa gumagamit ng Taglish ang mga nagsasalita ng
Tagalog (o Pilipino) ng gumagamit ng pangalang hiram sa Ingles, tulad
nga ng "kompyuter". SAO ang ibig lang sabihin nito ay patuloy na
buhay, nabubuhay, at lumalago ang wikang Pilipino sa paghiram ng mga
pangalan galing sa ibang bansa. Ngunit kapag kinakailangang
maghalo-halo ang mga...(Susme! Kinapos na rin ako! Patawarin ninyo
ang inyong abang lingkod.) "sentences" na purong Ingles at Tagalog,
iyan SAO ay Taglish, at dapat iwasan.
Ang wikang Pilipino ay isang napakahalagang parte ng ating kultura.
Ngunit dahil lubhang mahirap gamitin ito sa harap ng makabagong
pamumuhay, dahil tayo ay nahihiyang magsali ng mga bagong pangalan ng
mga bagay -- lalo na sa mga bagong bagay -- mula sa ibang wika, dahil
sa natatakot tayo (ng walang dahilan SAO) na mababawasan ang ating
wika kapag tayo nga ay nanghiram ng ibang pangalan mula sa ibang wika,
ang wikang Pilipino ay naiisang-tabi ng ang kapalit ay ang wikang
Ingles.
Ngunit SAO hindi nababawasan ang wika kapag nanghihiram ka ng mga
pangalan mula sa ibang wika para sa mga bagay na walang pangalan sa
wika mo; bagkus ito ay magiging katulad ng Ingles na nadadagdagan, at
patuloy na mananatiling buhay, nabubuhay, at lumalago.
(To those who require translation of this post into English, post your
requests in SCF, and I'll try to accommodate you.)
Ang inyong abang lingkod,
Jun B.
bai...@interlog.com
johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com
Victor Medrano <vmed...@direct.ca> wrote in article
<01bc9f7a$d349b1e0$cef0aecc@victor-home>...
>
>
> Talagang sayang ang Tagalog!
>
<Kinaltas ang nalabi upang payak>
Ang paksang ito ay matagal na naming pinagusapan dito. Nauunawaan ko ang
iyong damdamin. Nguni't kailangan mong unawain na mahigit sandaan ang
salita sa 'Pinas. Kung ididiin natin ang Tagalog tulad ng panukala ni Manny
Quezon, ay magkakaroon ng alitan sa mga tiga-Bisaya at sa iba pang lugar.
Bakit Tagalog? Bakit hindi Cebuano? Ilonggo? Pampango? Ilokano? Naunawaan
mo ba?
Datapwa't ang Ingles ay isang tanging salita na mapagkaka-isa ang ating
bansa. Walang sisisihin ng "regional colonialism" kung Ingles ang ating
pagkakasunduang maging wikang pambansa.
Hindi ko sinasabing dapat nating kaligtaan ang salita ng ating katutubo,
maging Zambal, Waray o anu pa man. Dapat ituro ang katutubong salita sa mga
unang mababang baitang ng paaralan. Nguni't sa pagsapit ng mataas na
baitang ay dapat maging Ingles na ang gamit sa pagturo.
Sa bansang Tsina ay marami ring salita. Sa Beijing ang salita ay Mandarin,
sa timog ng bansang iyon ay Cantonese at iba pa. Walang batas sa Tsina na
ididiing Mandarin lamang ang tanging salitang dapat gamitin. Ang kagandahan
lamang sa mga salitang Tsino ay anuman man ang salita ay iisa ang pagsulat.
maliit na kuru-kuro lamang,
Ang iyong lingkod
Johnny Thor
Kevinger
>opinyon lamang, sa tingin ba ninyo na kailangan pang matutunan ng mga
>kabataan dito sa tate and ating wikang pambansa? bakit? ang ating
>wikang pambansa ba ay isang bagay na maituturing ginintuang kayamanan ng
>ating kultura na dapat ipasa sa ating mga kabataan? o ito ba ay isang
>bagay na naiwan na natin sa ninoy aquino airport noong umalis tayo sa
>ating lupang kinalakihan? tanong lamang po ng isang bata na kinatatakot
>ang pagkawala ng ating kultura.
>
Ginintuan lamang a wika kung ang binibigyan nito ng bahagi ay siyaring
ginintuan. Subalit kung ang ipinapahayag ng mananalita ay kabastusan at
walang katuturan, anumang wika ang iyong gamitin -- maging ito man ay ang
ating wikang pambansa, Latin, or Ingles -- walang igaganda.
Hindi ang wika ang napapaganda ng ibinibigkas ng iyong labi kung hindi
ang nagmumula sa iyong puso.
Victor Medrano
Si Kevinger <kevi...@aol.com> sulat sa artikulo
<19970809015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Napakataas naman ang nibel ng testeron ng maraming tao kaya kabastusan
ang lumalabas sa kanilang bibig. Nakakaawa. Talagang ganoon.
Alam natin na iba-iba ang psikolohiya at biyolohiya ng tao.
Ang Habi ng mga Komputadora ng Daigdig (HKD) ay malulong at demokratiko.
Biktor
John J. Cristobal
[kaltas]
> Napakataas naman ang nibel ng testeron ng maraming tao kaya kabastusan
> ang lumalabas sa kanilang bibig. Nakakaawa. Talagang ganoon.
> Alam natin na iba-iba ang psikolohiya at biyolohiya ng tao.
> Ang Habi ng mga Komputadora ng Daigdig (HKD) ay malulong at demokratiko.
>
> Biktor
Pareng Biktor, maayos na rin ang wika mong HKD. Pero ano ang palagay mo
sa
Pandaigdigang Sapot (PS)? At sa paggamit ng Liham-Elektronika (Liham-E)
sa
pagsusulatan? Nagmumuni-muni lamang dahil lahat tayo ay nandito sa
hinabing
Lambat.
--John
John J. Cristobal
On 8 Aug 1997 johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com wrote:
> <Kinaltas ang nalabi upang payak>
> Ang paksang ito ay matagal na naming pinagusapan dito. Nauunawaan ko ang
> iyong damdamin. Nguni't kailangan mong unawain na mahigit sandaan ang
> salita sa 'Pinas. Kung ididiin natin ang Tagalog tulad ng panukala ni Manny
> Quezon, ay magkakaroon ng alitan sa mga tiga-Bisaya at sa iba pang lugar.
> Bakit Tagalog? Bakit hindi Cebuano? Ilonggo? Pampango? Ilokano? Naunawaan
> mo ba?
> Datapwa't ang Ingles ay isang tanging salita na mapagkaka-isa ang ating
> bansa. Walang sisisihin ng "regional colonialism" kung Ingles ang ating
> pagkakasunduang maging wikang pambansa.
Alalahanin natin na ang Pambansang Wika ay Pilipino na batay sa Tagalog,
Espanyol, Ingles, Intsik at mga katutubong wika. Hinggil sa iyong tanong,
nais kong sagutin ng isa pang tanong: Hindi nga ba marapat na kinakaila-
ngang isang wika ang magsasanib ng ating lahi, isang wika na magiging
tulay sa pagkakaunawaan ng mga iba't ibang mga katao sa iba't ibang mga
lalawigan? Para sa akin, kahit Bisaya, Panggalatok, Tsabakano, o ano pa
man ang mapagkasunduan, tatanggapin ko ito kahit na Tagalog ako. Dahil
ang hangarin ng bawat Pilipino ay dapat para sa ikauunlad at ikatatatag
ng ating bayan at HINDI sa pagkawalay-walay at kanya-kanyahan. (Malungkot
ko man aminin, minsan kahit kami rito sa Amerika ay ganyang nagkakanya-
kanyahan.) At kung ibig nating magkasanib ang mga Pilipino, hindi rin ba
marapat na ang piliin nating wika ay isang katutubo at hindi banyaga?
> Sa bansang Tsina ay marami ring salita. Sa Beijing ang salita ay Mandarin,
> sa timog ng bansang iyon ay Cantonese at iba pa. Walang batas sa Tsina na
> ididiing Mandarin lamang ang tanging salitang dapat gamitin. Ang kagandahan
> lamang sa mga salitang Tsino ay anuman man ang salita ay iisa ang pagsulat.
Nguni't ang pambansang wika nila na itinuturo sa paaralan ay Mandarin.
Totoo, kakaiba ang sulat nila na kahit tagasaan ka man ay mauunawaan mo
ang sulat (gawa ito ng isang emperor noong unang siglo na, sa balak na
magkaisa ang mga Intsik, naisip ang sistema na ang sulat ang may kahulu-
gan, anuman ang salita). Kaya nga lang, nang maging pinuno si Mao Tse-Tung
ay binago niya at pinasimple ang pagsulat para pulos komunismong pagsulat
lang ang maintindihan ng mga tao (noong Himagsikang Pangkultural).
Pananaw lamang ng inyong lingkod.
--John
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udu0...@email.sjsu.edu www.mathcs.sjsu.edu/student/cris1154
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Victor Medrano
Si John J. Cristobal <udu0...@email.sjsu.edu> sumulat:
> [kaltas]
> > Napakataas naman ang nibel ng testosteron ng maraming tao kaya
kabastusan
> > ang lumalabas sa kanilang bibig. Nakakaawa. Talagang ganoon.
> > Alam natin na iba-iba ang psikolohiya at biyolohiya ng tao.
> > Ang Habi ng mga Komputadora ng Daigdig (HKD) ay malulong at
demokratiko.
> >
>
> Pareng Biktor, maayos na rin ang wika mong HKD.
> Pero ano ang palagay mo sa Pandaigdigang Sapot (PS)?
> At sa paggamit ng Liham-Elektronika (Liham-E) sa pagsusulatan?
> Nagmumuni-muni lamang dahil lahat tayo ay nandito sa hinabing Lambat.
>
Anong palagay mo sa Daga at Bintana?
Biktor
DJ AWTKAZT
nakakatawa. itong nakaraang linggo na 'to, nagbakasyon kami ng pamilya
ko kasama ng dalawa pang pamilya na may mga anak na mga tatlo hanggang
walong taong gulang. noong buong linggo na 'to, pinapakinggan kong
makipag-usap ang mga magulang sa mga anak at inggles ng inggles sila!
sapilitan pang pinapaganda ng isa sa mga magulang ang pag-iinggles niya
at binibigyan pa ng mga "accent" ito. halimbawa yung treasure niya,
binibigkas niyang "treyshoor" (katawa-tawa). bakit kaya ang iba sa atin
eh nagsasapilit ingglisin ang mga anak kahit na mas nadadalian silang
magtagalog (o kahit ano mang wikang pilipino ang kanilang nalalaman)?
ano ba, pasosyal epek lang yata 'to eh? gumising naman tayo! at ang
isa pang masaklap dito, yung mga iba sa atin na balu-baluktot ang
inggles pa ang may lakas ng loob na ingglisin ang mga bata! kamukha
nitong ikinikwento ko sa inyo! itong anak niya tuloy, ay hindi lang
tanga pagdating sa sariling wika, pero pagdating pa sa inggles, palpak
din! alam ko na marami ditong mga pilipino na nakapuna na nito sa
kapwa. at alam ko rin na mayroong nagbabasa nitong "sinulid" na 'to na
nakikita ang sarili dito sa aking mumunting kwento. ayoko namang
tumapak sa paa ng mga hindi nararapat tapakan, pero mga kababayan
gumising na tayo. ANG MGA MAGULANG ANG UNA AT HULING MGA GURO NG MGA
KABATAAN. HINDI SILA MAHIHIRAPAN SA PAG-AARAL KAPAG TINURUAN NATIN SILA
NG ATING SARILING WIKA. MAGIGING TANGA LANG SILA KAPAG HINDI TINURUAN
NG WASTO. PAALAALA LAMANG NA KUNG ANO ANG ANG PUNO, SIYA RIN ANG
BUNGA. TANONG LAMANG: BAKIT ANG IBA SA ATING MGA KABABAYAN AY
MAS-GUGUSTUHIN PANG MAGING KAHIT ANO (MAGING INTSIK, LATINO, PUTI, AT
ITIM) PWERA NGA LANG ANG MAGING TUNAY NA PINOY? HMMMM.... 'wag naman
sana mga kababayan.
lemonhead
supposedly i'm excomunicado but i'm gonna ask you anyway, outcast. did
you have the balls to confront the trying-hard-english-speaking parents
of the trying-hard-english-speaking kids? did you tell them that you
find their kids pathetic?
have you ever been reproached by natives at work while conversing with a
fellow filipino in filipino? at work, have you ever been told " homer,
kindly speak english in america."? have you ever been stereotyped as a
non-english speaking mother fucker at work just because you happen to be
a filipino and there happens to be fellow filipinos at work who insist
in speaking filipino even when they know that doing so irritates the
majority?
Ron Calderon
On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, lemonhead wrote:
So you're the idiot everyone in the SCF Picnic
was talking about. Gee no wonder nobody had
any good words regarding you. Have you toasted
this jerk enough Rhett? Have you mushed his poor
pathetic mind enough? Shall I take my turn now?
> supposedly i'm excomunicado but i'm gonna ask you anyway, outcast. did
> you have the balls to confront the trying-hard-english-speaking parents
> of the trying-hard-english-speaking kids? did you tell them that you
> find their kids pathetic?
let me tell you something balls-for-brains. I have trying-hard-
english-AND-bisaya-speaking parents. AND *I* am trying hard at
breaking into the 3D-animation industry (right now I'm a web
page designer). But does that mean that I should forget all about
my native language? Hell no, lemonbrain.
Will speaking my native tongue with other Pinoys prevent me
from reaching my goals that I'm trying hard to achieve? No!
As long as I have the high-tech skills and can speak English fine,
my goals are within reach. Will speaking my native tongue degrade
my skills? NOT speaking my native tongue however WILL degrade
my identity. That, I cannot afford.
> have you ever been reproached by natives at work while conversing with a
> fellow filipino in filipino? at work,
No, and even if they did..I'd tell the assholes to mind their
own business, AND if they really ticked me off, I'll
file a harrassment suit! Or...write their phone number in the
bathroom along with the words "for a good time call:"
> have you ever been told " homer,
> kindly speak english in america."?
Apparently, my low-IQ non-friend, you haven't been to
many of the schools here and workplaces have you?
"Homer, kindly speak english in america." What the
stupid hell "Homer, kindly..."...give me a break man!
Even you're made-up line is pathetic! Maybe "Hey
man, kindly speak...", or "sir, will you kindly...".
Geez...dude, if you're gonna be stupid--at least get
you're lines right.
People of different origins speak both English AND their
native tongues ALL the damn time, and the white guys and
other English-only speakers mind their own damn business.
There is nothing wrong with speaking your native tongue in
this country AS LONG AS you also learn to speak the default
language of the majority.
--Ron
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
> supposedly i'm excomunicado but i'm gonna ask you anyway, outcast. did
> you have the balls to confront the trying-hard-english-speaking parents
> of the trying-hard-english-speaking kids? did you tell them that you
> find their kids pathetic?
to tell you the truth, i did. not as blunt as you would have wanted to
but i did. right in front of the parents too did i spoke to the kids in
filipino and took my time explaining and translating in filipino which
the kids found to be very interesting. yes i have the balls little
man. dahil tunay na pinoy lamang ang may lakas ng loob na iparinig ang
kaniyang opinyon lalo na kapag alam niya na opinyon lamang ang kaniyang
pinapahayag at hindi siya takot mapunta sa alanganin. alam ko naman na
opinyon lang ang aking sinabi sa kanila at hindi nila kailangang
sunurin. ipinapahayag ko lang sa kanila ang nararamdaman kong gusto
kong sabihin.
> have you ever been reproached by natives at work while conversing with a
> fellow filipino in filipino?
nope. kahit kailan hindi. because they know that whatever i say is my
business and my business alone. and here where i live, there is a very
important thing that people give you and that is respect. respect for
other cultures, languages, and practices. gusto pa nga nilang matutong
magtagalog eh! bakit, napagsabihan ka lang eh nabakla ka na? anong
klase ka? o sige, akala ko ba kano ka na? bakit naman parang hindi mo
pa alam ang mga pwede mong gawin dito sa tate? what, never heard of
freedom of speech? come on, isa ka pa rin palang palpak eh. nakakaawa
ka talaga. sa totoo lang pare, ILANG TAON KA NA? kasi iniisip ko mas
matanda ka sa akin kaya ang turing ko sa iyo ay isang tao na dapat na
mas-marami ang alam kaysa sa akin. INAAMIN KO na hamak na bata lang
ako, ipakita mo naman sa akin na may pinaroroonan ang takbo ng pag-iisip
mo.
>at work, have you ever been told " homer,
> kindly speak english in america."?
NEVER. freedom of speech is the rule of the day EVERYDAY where i work.
first of all i work in a diverse work place. employees in my work place
range from asian indians to africans, and everything in between. like
me they emphasize in preserving their language and with this in mind,
everyone learns how to respect each other. besides, almost everyone
wants to learn a new language where i work. so speaking in other
languages during breaks and lunches is a very common thing where i
work. and in my other job, i work as a martial arts instructor. need i
say more? i believe paranoid thinking is what you're pestered with.
you're a trembling punk that's scared to voice out your opinion. if
someone's busting their balls and pulling their hair out because they
want to understand what you're saying, then f%$# them. not trying to be
disrespectful to YOUR workmates but whatever i'm saying is probably not
for them if not understood by them. i mean why the hell are they all up
in my business anyway in the first place? come on, now let me ask you
the same question: DO YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO SHOW TO THE WHOLE WORLD
THAT YOU'RE A PROUD PINOY?
> have you ever been stereotyped as a
> non-english speaking mother fucker at work just because you happen to be
> a filipino and there happens to be fellow filipinos at work who insist
> in speaking filipino even when they know that doing so irritates the
> majority?
to all your other questions, refer to my answers above. besides being
stereo-typed as a non-english speaking (ahem), never would that ever
happen. first of all, whenever i do work, i'm always talking to
customers and/or my students so there's no way in hell that they would
ever stereo-type me as a non-english speaker. ganito kasi dito sa mundo
na ito, bata. kapag ikaw ay laging nagpapatulak, itutulak ka nila
hanggang hindi ka na makatayo. sa mga pinagsasabi mo, ay naniniwala ako
na nagpatulak ka ng husto sa iba na pinabayaan mo silang pababain ang
pag-tingin mo sa sarili mo lalo na sa wika at kultura mo. pare, matuto
ka namang magtaas-noo.
johnn...@hotmail.antispam.com
DJ AWTKAZT <djaw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<33EE64...@worldnet.att.net>...
> nakakatawa. itong nakaraang linggo na 'to, nagbakasyon kami ng pamilya
> ko kasama ng dalawa pang pamilya na may mga anak na mga tatlo hanggang
> walong taong gulang.
> noong buong linggo na 'to, pinapakinggan kong
> makipag-usap ang mga magulang sa mga anak at inggles ng inggles sila!
> sapilitan pang pinapaganda ng isa sa mga magulang ang pag-iinggles niya
> at binibigyan pa ng mga "accent" ito. halimbawa yung treasure niya,
> binibigkas niyang "treyshoor" (katawa-tawa).
Tama naman talaga ang pagbigkas, a. Bakit ano ba dapat - TRISHOOR? Iyan ang
katawa-tawang pagbigkas!
> bakit kaya ang iba sa atin
> eh nagsasapilit ingglisin ang mga anak kahit na mas nadadalian silang
> magtagalog (o kahit ano mang wikang pilipino ang kanilang nalalaman)?
Anung masama doon? Wala na bang karapatan ang isang di-marunong na
mag-ambisyon na matuto?
> ano ba, pasosyal epek lang yata 'to eh? gumising naman tayo!
Ikaw ang dapat gumising, 'pagkat napakakitid ng iniisip mo. Hindi lahat ng
nag-Iingles ay nagyayabang. Ang Ingles ay kabahagi ng Pilipino sa ayaw o
nais mo.
> at ang
> isa pang masaklap dito, yung mga iba sa atin na balu-baluktot ang
> inggles pa ang may lakas ng loob na ingglisin ang mga bata!
Hindi dapat ito pagtawanan kundi dapat itong hangaan. Kaya marami sa atin
ang di bihasa sa Inggles ay kulang lamang sa ensayo. Kung maykausap ka
tulad ng mga bata, ito ang magandang pagkakataon para gamitin ang salita.
> kamukha
> nitong ikinikwento ko sa inyo! itong anak niya tuloy, ay hindi lang
> tanga pagdating sa sariling wika, pero pagdating pa sa inggles, palpak
> din!
Sino kang may karapatang humatol kung sino ang tanga at marunong?
Napakayabang mo naman masyado!
> alam ko na marami ditong mga pilipino na nakapuna na nito sa
> kapwa.
Ikaw lamang at ang ilang mga utak-unggoy ang ganito ang napupuna.
> at alam ko rin na mayroong nagbabasa nitong "sinulid" na 'to na
> nakikita ang sarili dito sa aking mumunting kwento. ayoko namang
> tumapak sa paa ng mga hindi nararapat tapakan, pero mga kababayan
> gumising na tayo. ANG MGA MAGULANG ANG UNA AT HULING MGA GURO NG MGA
> KABATAAN. HINDI SILA MAHIHIRAPAN SA PAG-AARAL KAPAG TINURUAN NATIN SILA
> NG ATING SARILING WIKA. MAGIGING TANGA LANG SILA KAPAG HINDI TINURUAN
> NG WASTO. PAALAALA LAMANG NA KUNG ANO ANG ANG PUNO, SIYA RIN ANG
> BUNGA. TANONG LAMANG: BAKIT ANG IBA SA ATING MGA KABABAYAN AY
> MAS-GUGUSTUHIN PANG MAGING KAHIT ANO (MAGING INTSIK, LATINO, PUTI, AT
> ITIM) PWERA NGA LANG ANG MAGING TUNAY NA PINOY? HMMMM.... 'wag naman
> sana mga kababayan.
>
Walang ibang dapat magising kundi ikaw! Hangga't hindi naisasatuwid ang
utak mong ga-lamok ay huwag ka munang mag-aanak. Maawa ka sa magiging
supling! ROFL!
Johnny
buy-linggo-al
lemonhead
Ron Calderon wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, lemonhead wrote:
>
> So you're the idiot everyone in the SCF Picnic
> was talking about. Gee no wonder nobody had
> any good words regarding you. Have you toasted
> this jerk enough Rhett? Have you mushed his poor
> pathetic mind enough? Shall I take my turn now?
>
> > you have the balls to confront the trying-hard-english-speaking parents
> > of the trying-hard-english-speaking kids? did you tell them that you
> > find their kids pathetic?
>
> english-AND-bisaya-speaking parents. AND *I* am trying hard at
> breaking into the 3D-animation industry (right now I'm a web
> page designer). But does that mean that I should forget all about
> my native language? Hell no, lemonbrain.
>
hello mr web page designer fish for brains, i am a only an enlisted
military prison guard earning twenty two thousand pathetic dollars
a year. i don't deal with people who have PhD's and such, dressed in
suits that cost two months' worth of wages. most of my coworkers are
simple,hardworking people with high school education, and the people
i deal with are society's refuse, but it doesn't mean either that i
should forget my native language.
> Will speaking my native tongue with other Pinoys prevent me
> from reaching my goals that I'm trying hard to achieve? No!
> As long as I have the high-tech skills and can speak English fine,
> my goals are within reach. Will speaking my native tongue degrade
> my skills? NOT speaking my native tongue however WILL degrade
> my identity. That, I cannot afford.
> did i say not speaking your native tongue with other pinoys will help
you reach your goals? did i say speaking your native tongue will
degrade your skills? no, fish for brains big daddy.
> > have you ever been reproached by natives at work while conversing with a
> > fellow filipino in filipino? at work,
>
> No, and even if they did..I'd tell the assholes to mind their
> own business, AND if they really ticked me off, I'll
> file a harrassment suit! Or...write their phone number in the
> bathroom along with the words "for a good time call:"
> well mr fish for brains web page designer, i have, and it was
embarassing. in my workplace it is imperative that we speak english
for security reasons. unfortunately my high ranking filipino coworker
couldn't speak english for shit, and i'm being straightforward here.
since he couldn't speak english, he insists on talking in filipino
with me even in the workplace. so we both got reprimanded big
time.maybe if my coworker's parents taught their son a little bit more
english when he was young, maybe my coworker wouldn't be as
linguistically handicapped.
> > have you ever been told " homer,
> > kindly speak english in america."?
>
> Apparently, my low-IQ non-friend, you haven't been to
> many of the schools here and workplaces have you?
> "Homer, kindly speak english in america." What the
> stupid hell "Homer, kindly..."...give me a break man!
> Even you're made-up line is pathetic! Maybe "Hey
> man, kindly speak...", or "sir, will you kindly...".
> Geez...dude, if you're gonna be stupid--at least get
> you're lines right.
> mr web page designer fish for brains, i already told you who i work
with as well as who i deal with. in your work environment you speak
java and html and c++ and what have you, in my work place we speak joe
schmuckatelly language. try talking to a simple, hardworking high
school graduate from the state whose high school students have
consistently scored the lowest SAT scores in the last five or so
years, then tell me if i indeed came up with a pathetically made up
statement.
> People of different origins speak both English AND their
> native tongues ALL the damn time, and the white guys and
> other English-only speakers mind their own damn business.
>
> There is nothing wrong with speaking your native tongue in
> this country AS LONG AS you also learn to speak the default
> language of the majority.
>
this is precisely the point i'm trying to convey, mr fish for brains
web page designer. even if some filipino parents are linguistically
handicapped, we should not forbid them to try teach their kids how to
speak english. instead let us help them.
> --Ron
and one last note mr web page designer fish for brains, just keep on
designing them web pages, will you homer? leave the flaming to uc
berkeley dude and to totoy tigas or whoever is gonna take uc berkeley
dude's place.
John J. Cristobal
On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
> lemonhead wrote:
> > supposedly i'm excomunicado but i'm gonna ask you anyway, outcast. did
> me they emphasize in preserving their language and with this in mind,
> everyone learns how to respect each other. besides, almost everyone
> wants to learn a new language where i work. so speaking in other
> languages during breaks and lunches is a very common thing where i
> work. and in my other job, i work as a martial arts instructor. need i
> say more? i believe paranoid thinking is what you're pestered with.
> you're a trembling punk that's scared to voice out your opinion. if
Err...lemonhead, I think it's a good time to be careful in what you
post here. Understand that you're entitled to your opinion, but do be
tactful in how you present it. Like you (or everyone else), I don't agree
with what everyone here has to say (and it sure goes the other way, too).
But do try to be less confrontational and more open-minded with what other
people are trying to get across. You'll learn more about our culture that
way, not to mention avoiding getting roasted to a golden crisp by the vets
here.
SCF is a place is a cool place to discuss, share, and gain more knowledge
about our Filipino culture. It can also be a great place to just hang
out and enjoy the company of folks here (thanks, Bambam). So make the
best of it!
Well, unless you want outcast to give you some free martial arts
lessons...
Rhett Valino Pascual
<giggle, giggle>
Ron,
Please don't play with the display. Those things are here so that the
people who need to get a wife or a girlfriend can be trolled. If you
raise his blood pressure, there is no telling what kind of beauty our
mascot will exhibit. Sure, that is fun, but what happens if he pops a
valve? Who's going to clean up the mess and have the balls to plug in a
new valve into his awnings?
Last i checked, he's showing cracks all over his structure. If this keeps
up, he might actually implode from all the laughter he's been trying to
hold in. And don't forget that if johnythor is correct, our mascot spends
his time cutting out pictures from books and stuff. Interesting life.
You know what my ideal party would have? If my introduction was something
like this:
lemonhead, this is rcwarrior. rc, this is lemon.
Just from the meeting of two opposite forces which by the way has been
shaped by the united states armed forces, i would venture that we could
harness the energy of the sun.
REtong
--
John J. Cristobal
On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
> eh nagsasapilit ingglisin ang mga anak kahit na mas nadadalian silang
> magtagalog (o kahit ano mang wikang pilipino ang kanilang nalalaman)?
Hehehe. Naaalala ko tuloy ang "already" (ol-rheydee) at "over there"
(oberr derrh). Buti kamo, hindi ginamit ang TENACIOUS, DEPOSIT at
PERSUADING kung di naging Flipbonics! ;)
> kapwa. at alam ko rin na mayroong nagbabasa nitong "sinulid" na 'to na
> nakikita ang sarili dito sa aking mumunting kwento. ayoko namang
> tumapak sa paa ng mga hindi nararapat tapakan, pero mga kababayan
> gumising na tayo. ANG MGA MAGULANG ANG UNA AT HULING MGA GURO NG MGA
> KABATAAN. HINDI SILA MAHIHIRAPAN SA PAG-AARAL KAPAG TINURUAN NATIN SILA
> NG ATING SARILING WIKA. MAGIGING TANGA LANG SILA KAPAG HINDI TINURUAN
> NG WASTO. PAALAALA LAMANG NA KUNG ANO ANG ANG PUNO, SIYA RIN ANG
> BUNGA. TANONG LAMANG: BAKIT ANG IBA SA ATING MGA KABABAYAN AY
> MAS-GUGUSTUHIN PANG MAGING KAHIT ANO (MAGING INTSIK, LATINO, PUTI, AT
> ITIM) PWERA NGA LANG ANG MAGING TUNAY NA PINOY? HMMMM.... 'wag naman
> sana mga kababayan.
Sang-ayon ako. Magandang hangarin iyan, kaibigan. Sana nga ay maraming
mga magulang ang magtiyagang magturo sa kanilang mga anak ng Pilipino (o
anumang katutubong wika). Sa ganoon, hindi nalilimutan ng mga bata ang
kanilang kultura at pamana.
lemonhead
DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
>
> lemonhead wrote:
>
> you seem to contradict yourself.
>
i 'seem' to be contradicting myself, mr outcast, but am i?
> >"hardworking high school graduate" from the state whose high school students have
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >"consistently scored the lowest SAT scores" in the last five or so
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >years,
> >^^^^^^
>
> huh? there's definitely something wrong here. i can't pinpoint it,
> but....huh?
>
what can you not pinpoint, mr outcast? the fact that high school
graduates in the palmetto state have been the lowest SAT scorers in the
entire usa in the last five years or so? new jersey is a literate state
and libraries are everywhere there. go check out the stats, mr outcast.
> > this is precisely the point i'm trying to convey, mr fish for brains
> > web page designer. even if some filipino parents are linguistically
> > handicapped, we should not forbid them to try teach their kids how to
> > speak english. instead let us help them.
>
> hold on, but if these parents are linguistically handicapped, wouldn't
> they be teaching the kids "carabao english" (assuming that the scenario
> is as extreme as i imagine) instead of "proper english"? it's just
> like having a foreigner teach their child swahili which they don't
> really know about. instead of helping the child, i believe that it
> would confuse the child since the child would end up getting used to
> conversing in "carabao english". improper grammar and such would be
> embedded in the child's mind making this knowledge that's supposed to be
> handed down by the parents as nothing more than garbage since it will be
> erased and proved wrong when they begin their schooling. i don't know.
> any non-offending comments?
vp joseph estrada speaks carabao english yet he is a strong contender
for the presidency of the motherland. you think even the illiterate
people of the motherland would vote for him if he did not speak
any english at all? i don't think so, tim.
hey mr outcast, did you see how that mr web page designer fish for
brains made a fool of himself trying to do what uc berkeley dude does?
it was funny , mr outcast. what a freaking poser he is.
Ron Calderon
On 11 Aug 1997, Rhett Valino Pascual wrote:
> Please don't play with the display. Those things are here so that the
> people who need to get a wife or a girlfriend can be trolled. If you
> raise his blood pressure, there is no telling what kind of beauty our
> mascot will exhibit. Sure, that is fun, but what happens if he pops a
> valve? Who's going to clean up the mess and have the balls to plug in a
> new valve into his awnings?
My flamethrower trigger finger is itchy...it's been *months* since I
flamed someone stupid. I had to flame the idiot Rhett. You've already
played with his poor depraved mind....now it's my turn to press his
buttons and see what crazy things I can manipulate him to do.
As for the clean-up....didn't we use to have someone here
called dyan...@netcom.com? Perhaps I'll email him...after
the explosion.
Besides, a Hall Of Flamer must sharpen his instincts every now and
then...lemonhead is my sharpener right now.
--Ron
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
>but it doesn't mean either that i should forget my native language.
exactly. see, so you do see what i'm trying to get across. funny how
you seem to contradict yourself.
>"hardworking high school graduate" from the state whose high school students have
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"consistently scored the lowest SAT scores" in the last five or so
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>years,
>^^^^^^
huh? there's definitely something wrong here. i can't pinpoint it,
but....huh?
> this is precisely the point i'm trying to convey, mr fish for brains
Ron Calderon
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, lemonhead wrote:
> you ain't shit, mr web page designer fish for brains flame thrower
> wannabe.
Lemonhead, sharpener boy....I've *already* been inducted to the
SCF Hall Of Flamers, I'm a few months outta practice...but not
for long. Bwahahahahaha!
Ah...what flaming tricks shall I practice on you now?
The Ate G. Tank manuever perhaps? Nah...too old.
The Hierarchy of Evolution manuever? hmmm...maybe.
Or perhaps the "declare peace every once in a while
to your enemies to confuse the hell outta them" manuever?
Or maybe just the do-nothing-for-now-and-let-him-stew
manuever? Yes....maybe that. I've already sharpened
myself enough today. tommorow...yessss tommorow.
bwahahahaha.
--Ron
Ron Calderon
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, lemonhead wrote:
hmm...let's see which of your buttons hould I push?
Someone at the picnic said one of them buttons will
make your head explode. Ah...yes, of course...
Executing Hall Of Flamer tactical assault 5-A:
> hello mr web page designer fish for brains, i am a only an enlisted
> military prison guard earning twenty two thousand pathetic dollars
> a year.
That is your first problem...you view your life as a half-empty
glass. How pathetic. You must have very low self esteem. I mean
look at your sentence: "I am only an...", tsk tsk tsk. Low self
esteem AND a lousy excuse for a military person. Geez...don't they
teach you NOT to give away any potential weaknesses to th enemy?
What a dweeb.
> i don't deal with people who have PhD's and such, dressed in
> suits that cost two months' worth of wages.
Who cares? I wear blue jeans and t-shirt to work too. My only suit
is a $70.00 one from some sale in the mall. Oh...I see...
prison guard...prisoners...bored nothing to do. Hmm, how DO
they pass the time? I take it you must be in your birthday
suit most of the time.
> i deal with are society's refuse, but it doesn't mean either that i
> should forget my native language.
yet you believe that we should not speak it at work, or other public
places for that matter. What is this? Do you have Mr. Clinton's
Flip-flop-itis syndrome?
> > did i say not speaking your native tongue with other pinoys will help
> you reach your goals? did i say speaking your native tongue will
> degrade your skills? no, fish for brains big daddy.
yet you still would object to us speaking it, to another Filipino
at work? Why man, why? Are you ashamed of your native language?!
Do you fear speaking it in front of whites? Coward.
> > well mr fish for brains web page designer, i have, and it was
> embarassing. in my workplace it is imperative that we speak english
> for security reasons. unfortunately my high ranking filipino coworker
what a stupid workplace you must have. Security reasons? Duh,
people can conspire in English as well as in their native tongue.
> couldn't speak english for shit, and i'm being straightforward here.
> since he couldn't speak english, he insists on talking in filipino
> with me even in the workplace. so we both got reprimanded big
> time.
And you of course believe your bosses are right. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
nothing worse than a willing subject of discrimination. Woos. Kuve
Stravv (that's Klingon for "willing slave")
> this is precisely the point i'm trying to convey, mr fish for brains
> web page designer. even if some filipino parents are linguistically
> handicapped, we should not forbid them to try teach their kids how to
> speak english. instead let us help them.
performing the old swithcheroo ey? That is soooo useless against
Hall Of Flamer manuever 5-A! Firstly, the issue was parents teaching
their kids ONLY english, and ignoring the native tongue. And edning
up with kids who know zip or don't respect the language(s) of the
land their parents came from.
> and one last note mr web page designer fish for brains, just keep on
> designing them web pages, will you homer? leave the flaming to uc
> berkeley dude and to totoy tigas or whoever is gonna take uc berkeley
> dude's place.
You poor mentally depraved lemonsito head you. Web Design is
just a job. Flaming...now that's how I *relax*
Ah yes....I just love this manuever 5-A thing!
--Ron
>
>
lemonhead
you ain't shit, mr web page designer fish for brains flame thrower
wannabe.
lemonhead
give it up, mr ron calderon web page designer fish for brains flame
thrower wannabe. if you wanna be a flame thrower you'll have to be as
smart as uc berkeley dude or pietro e. reyes, III. you're making a fool
of yourself, big daddy. if you are gonna bluff i suggest you take some
lessons from uc berkeley dude, for he has mastered the art of talking
about something, anything, as if he were an expert at it. reread what
you've written and you'll realize your points are way out of context.
hey, i'm supposed to be excomunicado so you shouldn't write to me,
poser. in case you are gonna write me anyway, write it in assembly
language, will you? that way, i won't understand it. and if i won't
understand it, i will have absolutely no reason at all to tell you
you're making a fool of yourself.
lemonhead
Ron Calderon wrote:
>
>nd one last note mr web page designer fish for brains, just keep on
> > designing them web pages, will you homer? leave the flaming to uc
> > berkeley dude and to totoy tigas or whoever is gonna take uc berkeley
> > dude's place.
>
> You poor mentally depraved lemonsito head you. Web Design is
> just a job. Flaming...now that's how I *relax*
Ron Calderon
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, lemonhead wrote:
> give it up, mr ron calderon web page designer fish for brains flame
It thinks this is an insult...it is truly pathetic.
> thrower wannabe. if you wanna be a flame thrower you'll have to be as
> smart as uc berkeley dude or pietro e. reyes, III. you're making a fool
> of yourself, big daddy. if you are gonna bluff i suggest you take some
> lessons from uc berkeley dude, for he has mastered the art of talking
> about something, anything, as if he were an expert at it. reread what
> you've written and you'll realize your points are way out of context.
> hey, i'm supposed to be excomunicado so you shouldn't write to me,
It thinks I'm writing to it...when I'm merely using it as a
sharpener. tsk, tsk, tsk.
> poser. in case you are gonna write me anyway, write it in assembly
> language, will you? that way, i won't understand it. and if i won't
> understand it, i will have absolutely no reason at all to tell you
> you're making a fool of yourself.
It thinks I care what it thinks about me. Sad. I don't. does
it not know it is but a toy to me? A plaything? A pawn for my
personal entertainment?
Fascinating how it so willingly plays the part I've manipulated
it to play. Rhett was right...its strings are easy to pull.
I still want to find the string that will make its head go
kaboom. That would be entertaining.
--Ron "puppeteer" Calderon
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
> you ain't shit, mr web page designer fish for brains flame thrower
> wannabe.
AHA! i have never seen such an INTELLIGENT, HARDWORKING HIGH SCHOOL
GRADUATE. hmm... i believe ain't, shit, and wannabe, were the hardest
and most intellectual SAT words that i have ever seen. seeing such
intelligence in this newsgroup really makes me feel inferior. i wish
there were more smart, true, dedicated, loyal, unhypocritical, and proud
filipinos in this newsgroup. oh man, this guy just makes me feel like
i'm nothing. like i'm dumb. like i'm not filipino because my
intelligence is not as high as his (ahem, i mean hers--sorry lemmy). i
really believe that filipino youths would look up to this figure to
guide them in the future. (<ubo, ubo, pwe!> nakupo, nasobrahan yata
nasuka ako sa keyboard ko. he he he.)
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
> you're making a fool of yourself.
pity, pity. you know, everytime you write something stupid, i'm
starting to believe you're talking to yourself. i think it's time for
you to go. ikaw rin, susumbong kita sa nanay mo. pinaglalaruan mo yung
kompyuter niya. kukurutin ka noon. sige na bata, alis ka na, baka
masinturon ka pa ni tatay sige ka.
DJ AWTKAZT
TatieA wrote:
> Isa pa, merong chemical imbalance ang batang iyan, pag may regla ay
> inaapupuntahan, malamang panahon n'ya ngayon. Matino din naman 'yan pag
> hindi pa dinadatnan. Tiyempuhan nyo na lang.
dehins yan pre. natira lang masyado yan sa preso kaya nayanig ng husto
yung utak. pati yata sa bibig eh tinitira kaya nalamog na ng husto yung
ulo eh. sa tingin ko wala nang pag-asa 'yang bata na yan. kawawa
naman. he he he
TatieA
>Oh...I see...
> prison guard...prisoners...bored nothing to do. Hmm, how DO
> they pass the time? I take it you must be in your birthday
> suit most of the time.
Hey, Ron, Bakit n'yo pinapatulan si Ferdie Baby ,mataas lang konti
ang trabaho n'yan sa aso. Meron akong alaga ang pangalan ay "Bantay" at
kung siya ay kumahol ay baw waw waw, hindi arf arf arf.
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
> i 'seem' to be contradicting myself, mr outcast, but am i?
well, according to your first response to my post, you stated:
didn't you come to america to be an american? why the heck are you so
concerned about the seeming lack of use of the filipino vernacular among
fil-am youths then? in america we speak english.
see everytime i f'in see that stupid statement of yours, it pisses me
off. and now you're trying to act as if you were on my side in the
first place? i'm really starting to think that you have NO BALLS to
stand your ground. una ginagago mo ako ina mo ka tapos ngayon
hahalik-halik ka ngayon sa paa ko? tarantado ka pala eh, lalo mo lang
akong ginagalit traydor kang ina ka! ano, lolokohin mo pa ako? ilang
milyong bese ko nang itinanong sa iyo at tatanungin ulit kita, ilang
taon ka na ba? sa tingin ko eh baka trese ka pa lang eh. sa totoo
lang, trese yung kapatid ko pero hindi kasing-palpak mo! alamin mo nga
muna yung pinagsasasabi mo bago ka magsulat! at kung gurang ka na, 'wag
mong sabihin na dehins mo maintindihan 'tong sinulat ko. oo sa tingin
ko kinokontradikta mo yung sarili mo. ikumpara mo na lang yung sinulat
mo noon at ngayon. come on pare, kahit bata ako hindi ako tanga. at
kung hindi mo man kinokontra yung paniniwala mo, eh sa tingin ko
kailangan mo nang maconfine sa mental hospital.
> what can you not pinpoint, mr outcast? the fact that high school
> graduates in the palmetto state have been the lowest SAT scorers in the
> entire usa in the last five years or so? new jersey is a literate state
> and libraries are everywhere there. go check out the stats, mr outcast.
check this out. you said, HARDWORKING? i think that's an
overstatement. I'M a hardworking high school graduate. do you know
what hardworking means? you can't tell me that the reason that high
school students here in jersey have higher SAT scores because of
libraries and what not, that has nothing to do with getting high SAT
scores. you said hardworking? i think that's bull. if you're
hardworking, you would do the best you could do to get resources such as
magazines, tutors, books, review/enhancement classes, information from
the net, teachers, family members, THE BOARD OF ED, YOU CAN GET
INFORMATION TO HELP YOU OUT FROM THE SAT BOARD THEMSELVES!!! come on.
i busted my ass to get a descent SAT score, so don't tell me that
someone is hardworking and would still come out as a "loser" (sorry for
being extreme scf'ers). KNOWLEDGE DOESN'T COME TO YOU IN A SILVER
PLATTER, YOU GO AND HUNT, BUST YOUR BUTT, AND SACRIFICE THINGS TO GET TO
IT. libraries, come on. it's just like saying Pilipinos speak tagalog
because there's not a lot of american cars in the philippines. stupid
statement right? exactly!
> vp joseph estrada speaks carabao english yet he is a strong contender
> for the presidency of the motherland.
i would go in depth on that, but that's a different flame subject. in
my opinion, our government in the motherland is full of sh@#$!!!! it's
corrupt as hell, idiots are running around thinking that they know how
to run things (believe it or not, my uncle back there is a trainer/tutor
for the new candidates in office since they don't even have ANY
governmental background), and actors/actresses, ex-coupe d'etat leaders,
etc. are being elected as senators, coucilmen/women, etc. that's why
it's all f'ed up. he's a strong contender because he has ENOUGH MONEY
AND POPULARITY TO BECOME A STRONG CONTENDER. nowadays in the r.p.,
just because someone's running things doesn't mean they know what the
hell they're doing. i might be wrong scf'ers but that's my opinion.
>you think even the illiterate
> people of the motherland would vote for him if he did not speak
> any english at all?
that's so f'in stupid!!!! stupid!!! stupid!!!! stupid!!! LEMON-FLAVORED
SHISKABOB ANYONE!!!???? like you said, they're illiterate!!! if
they're illiterate, do you think they actually know what the hell is
going on in the government? do you think they know that he is capable
of his duty? they're f'in voting for him because he was a popular actor
back in his days, not because he knows what the hell he's doing!!!!
they admire him because of his popularity not because he is a topnotch
politician. i think you tossed too many god damned salads where you
work. that's why your brain is all f'ed up. oh yeah, just a reminder,
after you're done tossing salads, try not to drop the soap. it's not a
good idea. well i guess it's too late now huh?
> i don't think so, tim.
who the hell is tim?
> hey mr outcast, did you see how that mr web page designer fish for
> brains made a fool of himself trying to do what uc berkeley dude does?
damn, salad tossin' to the fullest!!! do i smell an ass-kisser here or
what? lemonhead, i like mine with aunt jemima mixed with sour cream.
HA HA HA HA HA
> it was funny , mr outcast. what a freaking poser he is.
WHO YOU? YEAH I KNOW!!! HA HA HA HA. i think mr. hardworking high
school graduate, that you have to go back and school yourself. get a
damned brain man. since Pilipinos if not intellects have at least half a
brain, i think you're not even human. RON, GUSTO KO YUNG PARTE KO
TUSTADO TSAKA MAYROONG KONTING MAMACITA. HA HA HA HA HA HA
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
>hello mr web page designer fish for brains, i am a only an enlisted
>military prison guard earning twenty two thousand pathetic dollars
>a year.
pity, pity. why do you pity yourself so much my dear little lemon? i'm
a sears sales associate, martial arts instructor, and dj. i didn't
think i was making that much money as a dj that's why i have three
jobs. i don't think it's your pay that's pathetic but you. whatever
happened to the HARDWORKING HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE? if you think your pay
is pathetic, then get another job MR HARDWORKING. whatever happened to
your FILIPINONESS? you ever heard the word perseverance? oh man,
forget it. pity, pity, pity.
>i don't deal with people who have PhD's and such, dressed in
>suits that cost two months' worth of wages.
so do i. i sell them but i don't wear them. but that's beside the
point mr anti-filipino-language-speaker. do you really feel so damned
inferior of english speakers that you are wish to not know your native
language? damned punk. are you sure you're a prison guard? i think
you're lying. you're probably the prison whore. tossed any salads
lately lemmy? HA HA HA HA HA
>leave the flaming to uc berkeley dude and to totoy tigas or whoever is gonna take uc >berkeley dude's place.
funny how you act like a flamer's little bi@#h. it's just like saying,
"leave me alone ron, i like being spanked uc berkeley style. it's more
rough and rugged, just the way i like it". are you a bondage fan or
something? maybe that's why you got the job at the prison huh? hay
nako, ang iba nga naman diyan eh no, oportunista talaga....tsk tsk tsk.
------------------------------
mga kababayan sa scf, patawarin na lang po ninyo ang aking pananalita,
ibang usapan na kasi ang nangyari dahilan dito sa isang kumag na ito.
sana'y maintindihan ninyo.
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
>
> Ron Calderon wrote:
> >
> >nd one last note mr web page designer fish for brains, just keep on
> > > berkeley dude and to totoy tigas or whoever is gonna take uc berkeley
> > > dude's place.
> >
> > just a job. Flaming...now that's how I *relax*
> > i bet you're all constipated while writing this piece.
>
>
> > Ah yes....I just love this manuever 5-A thing!
> >
> > --Ron
> >
> > >
> > >
what the heck is this now lemmy, plagiarism? can't think of anything
to say so you reply to posts without writing anything? i think this is
the smartest post you've ever made. oh by the way, plagiarism is an SAT
word. he he he. how about that for a tagalog speaker? barok!
lemonhead
DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
>
>
> damned brain man. since Pilipinos if not intellects have at least half
mr outcast, you're gonna have to reread the posts. the high school
gaduates i was talking about are my co-workers. i did 5 years of
college in manila, plus one year of review. and since i already
started telling you about my education, i'm working right now towards
a second degree.
regarding the post that's making you constipated, i did say that in
america we speak english. but i never said we should forget about
filipino, i just emphasized that it's irrational for filipino parents
in north america to insist on using only filipino vernacular at home.
i don't kiss nobody's ass, mr outcast.
" i don't think so ,tim" is a very popular expression, popularized by
tim allen in 'home improvement'.
mr outcast, if you cuss out my mother again i'm gonna have to fucking
kill you, you mother fucker. you can degrade me but do not implicate my
mother ever you stupid ass primate idiot mother fucker. what would you
feel if i started cussing out your mother, you ebola-plagued monkey?
i swear you cuss my mother out again i'm gonna sow terror in your
household, hear that monkey?
Ron Calderon
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, DJ AWTKAZT wrote:
>
> WHO YOU? YEAH I KNOW!!! HA HA HA HA. i think mr. hardworking high
> school graduate, that you have to go back and school yourself. get a
> damned brain man. since Pilipinos if not intellects have at least half a
> brain, i think you're not even human. RON, GUSTO KO YUNG PARTE KO
> TUSTADO TSAKA MAYROONG KONTING MAMACITA. HA HA HA HA HA HA
Ok....one tustado lemonhead it is. And for the rest....
howz about some lemon flambe? Or lemon chicken? or
lemon lechon? Or can I interest you in some desert...
chocolate mouse with grated lemon and lemon sauce?
C'mon....give your orders to Chef Ron. I'll cook 'im,
you eat 'im!
--Chef Ron
DJ AWTKAZT
lemonhead wrote:
> mr outcast, you're gonna have to reread the posts. the high school
> gaduates i was talking about are my co-workers.
well, you sure as hell sound like one of them. you sure fooled me.
> i did 5 years of
> college in manila, plus one year of review. and since i already
> started telling you about my education, i'm working right now towards
> a second degree.
which will still mean nothing. i believe you should go back, way back
to elementary school and try to relearn your way up to a normal person's
level. 5 years of college in manila? hah, the way you sound it seems
that you paid your way out of that damned college. saan ka nag-aral,
divisoria college? he he he. working on your second degree or second
grade?
> regarding the post that's making you constipated, i did say that in
> america we speak english. but i never said we should forget about
> filipino,
oh yeah, you sure as hell is implicating it.
> i just emphasized that it's irrational for filipino parents
> in north america to insist on using only filipino vernacular at home.
irrational? and why is that? their children are being bombarded with
english radio stations, tv channels, shows, friends, teachers, and
schools. if not practiced at home, where else would the practice, while
taking a dump? not practicing with their parents is a suggestion that's
irrational. who else would would teach them if not their parents their
non-filipino friends? what the heck are you thinking about my fiend.
i'm really starting to believe you are only a teensy weensy second
grader. pitiful.. tsk tsk tsk
> i don't kiss nobody's ass, mr outcast.
yeah, whatever mr. salad tosser. uc berkeley this, uc berkely that,
totoy tigas this, totoy tigas that. hah, go fool your own self senyor.
> " i don't think so ,tim" is a very popular expression, popularized by
> tim allen in 'home improvement'.
oh, and you're also a couch potato. that's why you're so damned
stupid. tim allen this, blah blah blah. pwe!! why don't you watch the
discovery channel instead, they're doing a show on amoebas, you might
find your own kind there.
> mr outcast, if you cuss out my mother again i'm gonna have to fucking
> kill you, you mother fucker. you can degrade me but do not implicate my
> mother ever you stupid ass primate idiot mother fucker. what would you
> feel if i started cussing out your mother, you ebola-plagued monkey?
> i swear you cuss my mother out again i'm gonna sow terror in your
> household, hear that monkey?
oh yeah, well check this out mr. 2nd grader, I LOVE MY MOTHERLAND as
much as you love your mother. any attacks on my culture, and my
motherland is a personal attack on me. just to remind you, i'm just
being your mirror, i reflect back the bull-isht that you show me. and
that's the truth. and don't you start isht about mothers either because
you're the one that keeps calling me a motherfucker. hmm, would you
happen to know who's mother you're referring to? i mean, i'm a fucker
of mothers right?...could you specify which one exactly? well, you're
not talking to anyone else so obviously it's MY MOTHER! right? hindi
ba? at saka tarantado ka pala eh, may mura ba sa tagalog na
parehong-pareho and ibigsabihin ng motherfucker? wala, kaya yon ang
mura ko sa 'yo. iniinggles mo ako, tatagalugin naman kita. hay naku
nga naman oh, ang iba sa atin, sobrang bobo. inaakusahan ang isang tao
ng isang bagay na siya ring kanyang ginagawa. HOY!!! KUNG ANO ANG
HINDI MO GUSTO AY 'WAG MO RING GAWIN SA IBA!!! ngayon nagpupuputok ang
butsi mo para kang pwet ng nagtataeng manok. tumigil ka na nga.
tatakutin mo pa ako. at tatanungin mo pa kung anong reaksyon ko kapag
minura mo yung nanay ko? bakit hindi mo pa ba alam? kaya nga kita
tinatarantadong ganito dahil ginawa mo na eh kupal. tatawagin mo akong
motherfucker, tapos ginago mo itong thread ko, binastos mo yung wika
kong pinakamamahal kasama yung kulturang pilipino, ginago mo yung mga
ibang pilipino kamukha nung co-worker mo, tapos nagtataka ka pa kung
bakit ganyan ang turi ko sa 'yo. kundi ka pala sobrang bobo. and to
top that off, you're threatening MY HOUSEHOLD, you're threatening MY
LIFE? he he he, pare taga tondo ako kaya dehins na uubra sa akin yan.
'wag mo kong takutin baka patulan kita, sige ka, dehins mo ko kilala....
mayroon kayang mga relihiyoso na nagbabasa nito? pang ilang commandment
ba yung: do unto others what you want others to do unto you?
pakitulungan na lang si lemonsita dito at kailangan pa yatang kumuha ng
ccd classes eh. kawawa naman, baka umiyak na. isa pa ulit
lemmy"dick"head, gusto mong malaman kung anong pakiramdam kapag minumura
ng isang tao ang aking ina? nakakatawa. alam mo kung bakit? kasi
pareho lang kaming ina na pinanggalingan at yoon ang PILIPINAS. kaya
kapag ginago mo yung wika nang INAng bayan ko, minura mo na rin siya,
minura mo na ang buong mamayanang pilipino, kasama na doon ang mga nanay
natin. o baka naman masyado kang mababaw para maintindihan 'to. well,
i guess mga tunay na pilipino na nagmamahal sa ating bansa lamang ang
makakaintindi nito. so i guess you won't get it. damned sell-out.
i mean, come on now my dear lemmy. please don't do that, you're making
me scared...you're giving me an erection! ha ha ha ha. ahnoh kha vah
hah, mahsyadoh kha namhang mavhilees. hi hi hi hi, dwahan-dwahan lwang.
ayy nakuh pwu namwan...
ano ba 'to Rhetong? ang galing eh no, nakakalalake. napasama ba 'to sa
mga tinuli mo? nasobrahan yata eh, wala nang natira. ang sama mo
talaga. ngayon tingnan mo yung nangyari, imbis na mangamatis, niregla!
ha ha ha ha. hay nako, tama na nga. nasosobrahan na ako sa tawa, baka
kabagan pa ako. well, i guess ok lang 'yon as long as hindi ako
constipated kamukha ng iba dito...he he he
p.s.
lemmy baby, kung tanga ang mga posts mo, mas tanga ang posts ko. kung
bastos ka at mahilig mag-mura ay nakupo lalo na ako. kaya kung ano man
ang gawin mo, sasabayan kita. walang pikunan, baka makutusan. at isa
pa, 'wag ka namang nililibog sa mga sinasabi ko. nagtatrying-hard lang
akong maging isa sa mga hall of flamers. he he he. oh namutla ka naman
kaagad. ito yung tissue o, 'wag ka ng iiyak. tahan ka na. kawawa naman
talaga itong batang ito.
lemonhead
Rhett Valino Pascual wrote:
>
> dj,
>
> huwag mo nang patulan iyan. aalis din iyan kapag wala nang kumakausap sa
> kanya. tingnan na lang natin kung matatauhan siya. sabi niya ay edukado
> daw siya. sa kanyang pagsusuri ng mga tanong nakikita ng buong mamamayan
> rito na hindi niya nalalaman ang ibig sabihin nito.
>
> saka bakit mo naman pinupurga ng todo? baka lumabas lahat ng bulate niyan
mr uc berkeley dude, baka tu el mucho bulati na di tuyo bariga. ya mira
ba tu el mga pictures di tuyo posted aki? bien obvious gayod mucho
bulati na di tuyo bariga. ta pensa yo mucho tamen semen na di tuyo
bariga, from todo di tuyo homosexual activities.
> eh lilinisin mo iyan. sabi ko sa iyo, kapag nagpurga ka, tandaan mong
> ilabas yung pinurga mo.
>
> REtongNageensayoNgTagalog
> --
DJ AWTKAZT
Ron Calderon wrote:
>
> Ok....one tustado lemonhead it is. And for the rest....
> howz about some lemon flambe? Or lemon chicken? or
> lemon lechon? Or can I interest you in some desert...
> chocolate mouse with grated lemon and lemon sauce?
>
> C'mon....give your orders to Chef Ron. I'll cook 'im,
> you eat 'im!
>
> --Chef Ron
oy mamang chef, gusto ko ng lemon flavored chicharon, extra crispy ha.
mainam yon para dito sa san miguel ko. at saka doon sa crispy pata ng
mother in law ko gusto ko may sawsawang toyo na maraming lemon. at saka
pahingi nga pala ng lemon na mangangat-ngat para dito sa vodka ng lola
ko. at isa nga palang lemon pie para dito sa nanay ko. he he he.
lintik lang naman ang walang ganti. 'di ba chef calderon? motherfucker
pala ha, tutustahin kitang kupal ka.
Rhett Valino Pascual
dj,
huwag mo nang patulan iyan. aalis din iyan kapag wala nang kumakausap sa
kanya. tingnan na lang natin kung matatauhan siya. sabi niya ay edukado
daw siya. sa kanyang pagsusuri ng mga tanong nakikita ng buong mamamayan
rito na hindi niya nalalaman ang ibig sabihin nito.
saka bakit mo naman pinupurga ng todo? baka lumabas lahat ng bulate niyan
Tikbalang
Which way is going to San Jose? Ako ay nagtatanong lang at mukhang one way
street itong pinasukan ko.