sylvia heres the lyrics and translation of a real manly filipino song in cebuano intitled matud nila
Renowl
according to them
Matud nila ako dili angay
according to them im not worthy
Nga magmanggad sa imong gugma
to hope for your love
Matud nila ikay dili malipay
according to them you wont be happy
Kay wa akoy bahandi nga kanimo igasa
because i have nothing valuable to offer you
Gugmang putli mao day pasalig
true love is the only thing i can pledge
Maoy bahanding labaw sa bulawan
its something more worthy of gold
Matud nila kaanugon lamanag
according to them thats just a waste
Sa imong gugma ug parayig
compared to your love and offering
Koro
Dili molubad kining pagbati
this feeling wont fade
Bisan sa unsa nga katarungan
in the face of their justice
Kay unsa pay bili ning kinabuhi
whats the value of this life
Kung sa gugma mo hinikawan.
in your love [ hinikawan]
III
Ingna ko nga dili ka motuo
tell me you wont alL believe
Sa mga pagtamay kong naangkon
the mistakes that i admit
Ingna ko nga dili mo kawangon
tell me you wont use it againts me
Damgo ug pasalig sa gugma mo.
im dreaming and hoping that your love is true
Repeat Koro and III.
Damgo ug pasalig sa gugma mo.
dreaming and trusting in your love
this song is a traditional visayan song thats my favorite. its like vodka
of life.
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Mr. Ma Yabang
(waterfront lahug) were i was back in september(?) of last year.
friendly lady. though she's old school, a lot of people were still in
awe of her. friendly lady, took her time to pose for photos with her
fans before she got on the elevator.
-MY
ren...@aol.com (Renowl) wrote in message news:<20030612235828...@mb-m18.aol.com>...
Sylvia Knörr
"Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:20030612235828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
Wow, Rennie, pinakamaganda ang awit! :-)
I wish I could hear it. It´s Cebuano, you said? Is it your first language?
Some of the words look like Tagalog. Maraming salamat sa post mo, and for
the translation. What a pity that JT can´t see it because of his killfile, I
think he would like it, too! ;-))
Let me give you a German cliche: Wo man singt, da laß dich ruhig nieder -
böse Menschen haben keine Lieder. (Where there are songs, you may settle
well - evil people don´t have songs).
Trolls Don´t Have Songs Piggy
Just JT
>
>
> Wow, Rennie, pinakamaganda ang awit! :-)
> I wish I could hear it. It´s Cebuano, you said? Is it your first language?
> Some of the words look like Tagalog. Maraming salamat sa post mo, and for
> the translation. What a pity that JT can´t see it because of his killfile,
I
> think he would like it, too! ;-))
Sebya mein Schatz,
I can do one better for you. I'll sing Matud nila with my guitar, record
myself on mp3 and then give you a link. How about that?
> Let me give you a German cliche: Wo man singt, da laß dich ruhig nieder -
> böse Menschen haben keine Lieder. (Where there are songs, you may settle
> well - evil people don´t have songs).
>
> Trolls Don´t Have Songs Piggy
-------------------
Nah, it's just trying to steal your attention from me. How many times has it
posted songs before? It is trying to do a Babe Magnet imitation.
--
DalubImitationIsTheBestFormOfFlatulence
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@HotMale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3eeb94ab$1...@news.microsoft.com...
> Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <Sylvia...@t-online.de>...
> >
> >
> > Wow, Rennie, pinakamaganda ang awit! :-)
> > I wish I could hear it. It´s Cebuano, you said? Is it your first
language?
> > Some of the words look like Tagalog. Maraming salamat sa post mo, and
for
> > the translation. What a pity that JT can´t see it because of his
killfile,
> I
> > think he would like it, too! ;-))
> -----------------
> Sebya mein Schatz,
>
> I can do one better for you. I'll sing Matud nila with my guitar, record
> myself on mp3 and then give you a link. How about that?
Oh ja? Great idea! I will wait for it anticipatiently! :-)
> > Let me give you a German cliche: Wo man singt, da laß dich ruhig
nieder -
> > böse Menschen haben keine Lieder. (Where there are songs, you may settle
> > well - evil people don´t have songs).
> >
> > Trolls Don´t Have Songs Piggy
> -------------------
> Nah, it's just trying to steal your attention from me. How many times has
it
> posted songs before? It is trying to do a Babe Magnet imitation.
No one will steal my attention from you, mein Minnesänger. You should be
proud, because only the good ones get imitated. And posting beautiful OPM is
on-topic, that´s an improvement against posting US politics. So what do you
want? :-)
> --
> DalubImitationIsTheBestFormOfFlatulence
For Real Life There`s No Imitation Piggy
Renowl
if its pilita , didith reyes , or another cebunana then its cool
Just JT
> > Sebya mein Schatz,
> >
> > I can do one better for you. I'll sing Matud nila with my guitar, record
> > myself on mp3 and then give you a link. How about that?
>
> Oh ja? Great idea! I will wait for it anticipatiently! :-)
Until I do, listen to the midi including lyrics at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/Gem4/matudnila.html
I have a CD of The Best Visayan Songs. Another great song is Usahay:
http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/ms_yadni/usahay.html
USAHAY
Usahay magadamgo ako
Nga ikaw ug ako nagka higugmaay
Nganong damgohon ko ikaw
Damgohon sa kanunay
Sa akong kamingaw
Usahay magamahay ako
Nganong nabuhi pa
Ning kalibutan
Kay imong gitiawtiawan
Ang gugma ko kanimo
Kanimo da
Ang gugma ko kanimo
Kanimo da...
I'll leave the English translation to our native Visayan speakers.
>
> No one will steal my attention from you, mein Minnesänger. You should be
> proud, because only the good ones get imitated. And posting beautiful OPM
is
> on-topic, that´s an improvement against posting US politics. So what do
you
> want? :-)
--------------
You do that and reform him, okey dokey! :)
--
DalubMyResidentVisayanBabeAin'tAvailableThat'sWhyIHaveNoTranslation
Mr. Ma Yabang
USAHAY
[sometimes]
Usahay magadamgo ako
[minsan / napapanaginip / ako]
Nga ikaw ug ako nagka higugmaay
[that / you / and / i / are in / love with each other]
Nganong damgohon ko ikaw
[why / to dream / me / you]
Damgohon sa kanunay
[to dream / always]
Sa akong kamingaw
[in / my / serenity]
Usahay magamahay ako
[sometimes / regret / i]
Nganong nabuhi pa
[why / alive / still]
Ning kalibutan
[this / world]
Kay imong gitiawtiawan
['cos / you / not serious]
Ang gugma ko kanimo
[this / love / me / for you]
Kanimo da
[for you]
Ang gugma ko kanim
Kanimo da...
-MY
"Just JT" <Johnn...@HotMale.Com> wrote in message news:<3eed632a$1...@news.microsoft.com>...
Renowl
sometimes
Usahay magadamgo ako
sometimes i dream
Nga ikaw ug ako nagka higugmaay
that you and me were in love
Nganong damgohon ko ikaw
why i dream of you
Damgohon sa kanunay
always dreaming
Sa akong kamingaw
in my loneliness
Usahay magamahay ako
sometimes i feel
Nganong nabuhi pa
why was i born
Ning kalibutan
in this world?
Kay imong gitiawtiawan
you toyed
Ang gugma ko kanimo
with my love for you
Kanimo da
your's alone
Ang gugma ko kanimo
my love for you
Kanimo da...
yours alone
this song is not my favorite because it shows a filipina woman thats a martyr
to a filipino man' s abuse. this is not typical to the women in my family. If
i do that to my wife she would castrate me then get herself a better man .
when it comes to my daughter i am training her to weep, then punch the
offending player in the nose. my daughter is not raised to be a plaything or
a shrinking violet. like mother like daughter.
Renowl
squat any visayan song. he is like a man talking about giving great sex but
....................
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@HotMale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <Sylvia...@t-online.de>...
> > > -----------------
> > > Sebya mein Schatz,
> > >
> > > I can do one better for you. I'll sing Matud nila with my guitar,
record
> > > myself on mp3 and then give you a link. How about that?
> > Oh ja? Great idea! I will wait for it anticipatiently! :-)
> -------------
> Until I do, listen to the midi including lyrics at:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/Gem4/matudnila.html
Gee, what a funny site with all these paruparo an bulaklak! :-)
> I have a CD of The Best Visayan Songs. Another great song is Usahay:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/ms_yadni/usahay.html
>
> USAHAY
>
> Usahay magadamgo ako
> Nga ikaw ug ako nagka higugmaay
> Nganong damgohon ko ikaw
> Damgohon sa kanunay
> Sa akong kamingaw
>
> Usahay magamahay ako
> Nganong nabuhi pa
> Ning kalibutan
>
> Kay imong gitiawtiawan
> Ang gugma ko kanimo
> Kanimo da
> Ang gugma ko kanimo
> Kanimo da...
>
> I'll leave the English translation to our native Visayan speakers.
Another teamwork initiative... Who says that Pinoys are quarrelsome!? ;-)
Thank you for this song!
> > No one will steal my attention from you, mein Minnesänger. You should be
> > proud, because only the good ones get imitated. And posting beautiful
OPM
> is
> > on-topic, that´s an improvement against posting US politics. So what do
> you
> > want? :-)
> --------------
> You do that and reform him, okey dokey! :)
People reform themselves. It´s called evolution.
> --
> DalubMyResidentVisayanBabeAin'tAvailableThat'sWhyIHaveNoTranslation
My Visayan Speaking Boyfriend Is Available Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
Now that愀 fantastic. JT gives the lyrics, Mr. Ma Yabang the verbatim
translation, now you provide the poetic translation. Great how you guys work
hand in hand! No "crab mentality" as far as I can see! :-))
> this song is not my favorite because it shows a filipina woman thats a
martyr
> to a filipino man' s abuse. this is not typical to the women in my
family. If
> i do that to my wife she would castrate me then get herself a better man
.
Then it愀 true that Pinays are emancipated women! But as for the song - I
think there are both men and women unhappy in love sometimes, in the
Philippines and everywhere else in this world.
> when it comes to my daughter i am training her to weep, then punch the
> offending player in the nose. my daughter is not raised to be a
plaything or
> a shrinking violet. like mother like daughter.
She will probably not end as a mail order bride. :-))
Gender Role Playing Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"Mr. Ma Yabang" <ang_ya...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9410fc6f.03061...@posting.google.com...
A word-for-word translation! Great!!! Maraming salamat!!!! :-)
Very Pleased Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
> if the matud nila song is jt singing like a demented platypus then forget
it.
> if its pilita , didith reyes , or another cebunana then its cool
I wish I could hear ANY version at all! <sigh>
No Broadband Piggy
tansong isda
> No "crab mentality" as far as I can see! :-))
Because there is no such thing, carb netality is a communal effort to get out of
a hole, to outsiders, it looks like the crabs are killing each other to get out,
but really, if you watch crabs closely and with greater time, you will notice
the hole is empty...now how did the last one got out? It takes another to help.
>
> > this song is not my favorite because it shows a filipina woman thats a
> martyr
> > to a filipino man' s abuse. this is not typical to the women in my
> family. If
> > i do that to my wife she would castrate me then get herself a better man
> .
>
> Then it´s true that Pinays are emancipated women! But as for the song - I
> think there are both men and women unhappy in love sometimes, in the
> Philippines and everywhere else in this world.
>
> > when it comes to my daughter i am training her to weep, then punch the
> > offending player in the nose. my daughter is not raised to be a
> plaything or
> > a shrinking violet. like mother like daughter.
>
> She will probably not end as a mail order bride. :-))
>
> Gender Role Playing Piggy
Being a mail-order-bride is part of one woman's sacrifice for the family,
sometimes she ends up loving the man anyway, if the man's lucky. The idea is to
get all the family out of the country.
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3EF13923...@hindiginto.ito...
> "Sylvia Knörr" wrote:
>
> > No "crab mentality" as far as I can see! :-))
>
> Because there is no such thing, carb netality is a communal effort to get
out of
> a hole, to outsiders, it looks like the crabs are killing each other to
get out,
> but really, if you watch crabs closely and with greater time, you will
notice
> the hole is empty...now how did the last one got out? It takes another to
help.
Comparison of human beings and animals will never tell the whole truth. But
well, crabs cling to each other, and this way one pulls the other one out of
the hole. The way you see "crab mentality" is something positive, the result
of the strong family ties that Filipinos use to have. But I think that
(different than crabs) Filipinos do not just cling to each other but help
each other in an active, intentional way.
> > > when it comes to my daughter i am training her to weep, then punch
the
> > > offending player in the nose. my daughter is not raised to be a
> > plaything or
> > > a shrinking violet. like mother like daughter.
> >
> > She will probably not end as a mail order bride. :-))
> >
> > Gender Role Playing Piggy
>
> Being a mail-order-bride is part of one woman's sacrifice for the family,
> sometimes she ends up loving the man anyway, if the man's lucky. The idea
is to
> get all the family out of the country.
What does it mean - "one woman´s sacrifice for the family"? Is it the
decision of the woman to sacrifice herself for her family or is it rather
that parents sacrifice their daughter?
Human Sacrifice Piggy
tansong isda
> "tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:3EF13923...@hindiginto.ito...
> > "Sylvia Knörr" wrote:
> >
> > > No "crab mentality" as far as I can see! :-))
> >
> > Because there is no such thing, carb netality is a communal effort to get
> out of
> > a hole, to outsiders, it looks like the crabs are killing each other to
> get out,
> > but really, if you watch crabs closely and with greater time, you will
> notice
> > the hole is empty...now how did the last one got out? It takes another to
> help.
>
> Comparison of human beings and animals will never tell the whole truth. But
> well, crabs cling to each other, and this way one pulls the other one out of
> the hole. The way you see "crab mentality" is something positive, the result
> of the strong family ties that Filipinos use to have. But I think that
> (different than crabs) Filipinos do not just cling to each other but help
> each other in an active, intentional way.
There is a Tagalog word for this "Bayanihan", since this active effort to help a
neighbor is not a common occurence nowadays, people forget. I try to find the
reasons for what people say, sometimes it does not make sense.
The Filipino attitude in helping each other do happen.
>
> > > > when it comes to my daughter i am training her to weep, then punch
> the
> > > > offending player in the nose. my daughter is not raised to be a
> > > plaything or
> > > > a shrinking violet. like mother like daughter.
> > >
> > > She will probably not end as a mail order bride. :-))
> > >
> > > Gender Role Playing Piggy
> >
> > Being a mail-order-bride is part of one woman's sacrifice for the family,
> > sometimes she ends up loving the man anyway, if the man's lucky. The idea
> is to
> > get all the family out of the country.
>
> What does it mean - "one woman´s sacrifice for the family"? Is it the
> decision of the woman to sacrifice herself for her family or is it rather
> that parents sacrifice their daughter?
>
> Human Sacrifice Piggy
The traditional Filipino family assigns what the oldest is supposed to do and so
on, down the line. The oldest is expected to sacrifice himself to pay for the
education of the younger siblings, etc...then he/she is allowed to marry, most
of the time, it does not happen this way and heartaches and animosity abounds,
usually, it is the next generation that feels and complains about it.
It is somewhat sad for some. One side of the family feel "used" while the other
feels bad about resolving this "debt of gratitude".
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> "Sylvia Knörr" wrote:
>
> > "tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:3EF13923...@hindiginto.ito...
> > Comparison of human beings and animals will never tell the whole truth.
But
> > well, crabs cling to each other, and this way one pulls the other one
out of
> > the hole. The way you see "crab mentality" is something positive, the
result
> > of the strong family ties that Filipinos use to have. But I think that
> > (different than crabs) Filipinos do not just cling to each other but
help
> > each other in an active, intentional way.
> There is a Tagalog word for this "Bayanihan", since this active effort to
help a
> neighbor is not a common occurence nowadays, people forget. I try to find
the
> reasons for what people say, sometimes it does not make sense.
> The Filipino attitude in helping each other do happen.
Could it be that the "Bayanihan attitude" gets lost mainly among wealthy
urban people? Mutual help is important where people have little money to BUY
help, and in a social system where individuality is less important than
family, and where people depend on each other in a high degree.
> > > Being a mail-order-bride is part of one woman's sacrifice for the
family,
> > > sometimes she ends up loving the man anyway, if the man's lucky. The
idea
> > is to
> > > get all the family out of the country.
> > What does it mean - "one woman´s sacrifice for the family"? Is it the
> > decision of the woman to sacrifice herself for her family or is it
rather
> > that parents sacrifice their daughter?
> The traditional Filipino family assigns what the oldest is supposed to do
and so
> on, down the line. The oldest is expected to sacrifice himself to pay for
the
> education of the younger siblings, etc...then he/she is allowed to marry,
most
> of the time, it does not happen this way and heartaches and animosity
abounds,
> usually, it is the next generation that feels and complains about it.
> It is somewhat sad for some. One side of the family feel "used" while the
other
> feels bad about resolving this "debt of gratitude".
>
Somehow it seems cruel to me to expect the eldest sibling to sacrifice
himself for the younger ones, and I figure that it can cause lots of
heartaches and animosity. Although I see the advantage - nobody in the
family has to struggle and fight all alone, there are always siblings and
even more distant members of the family to care. I guess the roles one has
to play are more strictly defined in the Filipino family than in a Western
family where you can find various concepts of mutual relationships.
Born Into A World Of Individualism Piggy
tansong isda
> Could it be that the "Bayanihan attitude" gets lost mainly among wealthy
> urban people? Mutual help is important where people have little money to BUY
> help, and in a social system where individuality is less important than
> family, and where people depend on each other in a high degree.
Very good, it is like that in Manila and other urban centers in the Philippines.
No more "Bayani", no more "Bayanihan". Among the farming communities, there's a
lot of "Bayanihan" that still exist, depending whether the person asking for
help has money or not, those that has money, gets to pay and those that don't
gives gifts to helpers, it is not required but it is like that now.
> Somehow it seems cruel to me to expect the eldest sibling to sacrifice
> himself for the younger ones, and I figure that it can cause lots of
> heartaches and animosity. Although I see the advantage - nobody in the
> family has to struggle and fight all alone, there are always siblings and
> even more distant members of the family to care. I guess the roles one has
> to play are more strictly defined in the Filipino family than in a Western
> family where you can find various concepts of mutual relationships.
>
> Born Into A World Of Individualism Piggy
This was my mother's generation, this no longer happen to some degree. Parents
no longer defines the eldest as the one to sacrifice, it gets defined as the
children grows up. It also happens only if the parents aren't successful. But
the expectation is still there, the oldest is still expected to help the family.
Renowl
tansong isda
> sis in law sacrificed for the whole family.
JT sacrificed for his family...
Maggie Eusebio Schock
derogatory context to describe a mindset or attitude that is against the
concept of other members getting ahead (or away). The behavior that follows
involves pulling others *down* to remain with the rest.
I actually heard this term for the first time last year in the Philippines,
when a friend and I were discussing social problems, and she used the phrase
"crab mentality" to sum up the situation. Of course, I responded, "huh,
define please", and she gave me a nice, long defintion.
Maggie
"Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:bd31h7$79q$00$4...@news.t-online.com...
tansong isda
> My understanding of the phrase "crab mentality" is that it is used in a
> derogatory context to describe a mindset or attitude that is against the
> concept of other members getting ahead (or away). The behavior that follows
> involves pulling others *down* to remain with the rest.
>
> I actually heard this term for the first time last year in the Philippines,
> when a friend and I were discussing social problems, and she used the phrase
> "crab mentality" to sum up the situation. Of course, I responded, "huh,
> define please", and she gave me a nice, long defintion.
>
> Maggie
Yes, but us Crabs don't want to be associated with that.
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> "Sylvia Knörr" wrote:
>
> > Somehow it seems cruel to me to expect the eldest sibling to sacrifice
> > himself for the younger ones, and I figure that it can cause lots of
> > heartaches and animosity. Although I see the advantage - nobody in the
> > family has to struggle and fight all alone, there are always siblings
and
> > even more distant members of the family to care. I guess the roles one
has
> > to play are more strictly defined in the Filipino family than in a
Western
> > family where you can find various concepts of mutual relationships.
> This was my mother's generation, this no longer happen to some degree.
Parents
> no longer defines the eldest as the one to sacrifice, it gets defined as
the
> children grows up. It also happens only if the parents aren't successful.
But
> the expectation is still there, the oldest is still expected to help the
family.
Is there no such thing as a "generation conflict" in Filipino families? I
mean that a young adult refuses to do what parents expect him to do and
turns his back on the family?
Burnt Bridges Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"Maggie Eusebio Schock" <danie...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:C76Ka.27633$kQ5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> My understanding of the phrase "crab mentality" is that it is used in a
> derogatory context to describe a mindset or attitude that is against the
> concept of other members getting ahead (or away). The behavior that
follows
> involves pulling others *down* to remain with the rest.
Some things I read seem to indicate that beneath the surface of harmony
there is a lot of envy between Filipino family clans. So maybe the "crab
mentality" is an attitude towards competing families, while towards the own
family there is an attitude of helpfulness and mutual support.
> I actually heard this term for the first time last year in the
Philippines,
> when a friend and I were discussing social problems, and she used the
phrase
> "crab mentality" to sum up the situation. Of course, I responded, "huh,
> define please", and she gave me a nice, long defintion.
>
> Maggie
Seems to be a specifically Filipino concept. Do you think it describes the
social reality in the Philippines?
Dog Eat Dog Piggy
Renowl
tansong isda
There's a lot of those, but somehow, everybody comes back to what is expected
of them. Don't ask me why, not too many rebel against it.
tansong isda
> the other crabs is a sexual desease .
Aaah... to be a crab on a promiscuously good looking babe!
Renowl
more power.
Sylvia Knörr
> sis in law sacrificed for the whole family.
What did she do? Got married with a stranger?
Little Sister Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> "Sylvia Knörr" wrote:
> > Is there no such thing as a "generation conflict" in Filipino families?
I
> > mean that a young adult refuses to do what parents expect him to do and
> > turns his back on the family?
> >
> > Burnt Bridges Piggy
> There's a lot of those, but somehow, everybody comes back to what is
expected
> of them. Don't ask me why, not too many rebel against it.
Seems as if the worst thing to happen to a Filipino is to be expelled from
the family. Could this be the reason?
Familienorientierte Piggy
Renowl
Sylvia Knörr
> got married to a old rich guy from lichtintien now dead.
And then? Did she get married again?
Happy End Piggy
tansong isda
Families will stick together, no matter what happens. Part of the political
problem in the country is this same attitude. There maybe some backtalk and
sass but nothing drastic as being expelled for whatever reason.
In politics, a son or other relative may be involved incrime, even high
treason, the relative seating in power will protect that relative even to
his/her downfall.
Maggie Eusebio Schock
I'm not sure if "crab mentality" is a negative trait of the Filipino culture
or if the term was coined to describe a pocket number of incidents, however
when the term came up during a discussion with my friend, she claimed that
the concept was common knowledge. I remember being so curious about the
phenomena of "crab mentality", I asked her if it was discussed in social
science/culture courses at Philippine universities. She said it wasn't
discussed, and from her point of view, it was just common knowledge, and not
something you learn from school.
So, from my friend's point of view, "crab mentality" is a common mindset in
the Philippines.
I think the phenomena is very interesting from a sociological standpoint.
- Maggie
"Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Sylvia Knörr
> Sylvia,
>
> I'm not sure if "crab mentality" is a negative trait of the Filipino
culture
> or if the term was coined to describe a pocket number of incidents,
however
> when the term came up during a discussion with my friend, she claimed that
> the concept was common knowledge. I remember being so curious about the
> phenomena of "crab mentality", I asked her if it was discussed in social
> science/culture courses at Philippine universities. She said it wasn't
> discussed, and from her point of view, it was just common knowledge, and
not
> something you learn from school.
maybe just BECAUSE this concept is so common they don´t discuss it.
> So, from my friend's point of view, "crab mentality" is a common mindset
in
> the Philippines.
>
> I think the phenomena is very interesting from a sociological standpoint.
Indeed! This "crab mentality mindset" has it´s good and it´s bad, it is
something "normal" in Filipino society, but in western societies you find
the opposite nindset of individuality and not relying too much on relatives.
I don´t want to judge which concept is *better*, but I think to be conscious
of the differences is a good thing.
Comparing Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> "Sylvia Knörr" wrote:
>
> > "tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:3EFA7B11...@hindiginto.ito...
> > Seems as if the worst thing to happen to a Filipino is to be expelled
from
> > the family. Could this be the reason?
> Families will stick together, no matter what happens. Part of the
political
> problem in the country is this same attitude.
Right. With such strong family ties how can nepotism be avoided? To support
relatives seems to be a natural instinct of a Filipino, so no law can
effectively keep him from doing so.
There maybe some backtalk and
> sass but nothing drastic as being expelled for whatever reason.
> In politics, a son or other relative may be involved incrime, even high
> treason, the relative seating in power will protect that relative even to
> his/her downfall.
When personal loyality goes that far, it is hard to put in a policy of
objective fairness. When you protect even a criminal just because he is your
relative, how can you expect ANYONE to punish criminals no matter who they
are?
Law Versus Family Ties Piggy
tansong isda
Knowing the culture, it is easy to understand the root of the problem in the
country. In fact the biggest problem are the relatives who abuse another
relative's power, they can get away with it including murder. Friendship is also
another problem, this "debt of gratitude", or utang na lo-ob thing.
If I get arrested, all I have to do is call a cousin or some firend, "yes
sir!...." I am out in a minute, and it happened once, my cousin even told me to
slap the cop who arrested me and he won't do anything. I apologized to the cop
instead, and the cop became a friend because of the respect for his uniform that
I showed.
In small cases, and small towns where respect and knowledge of people it might
be fine, but in large cities....it is bad, real bad. I have seen a Mayor's son
shoot and kill someone, then ran him over with a jeep. Pasay City, years ago.
This part of the culture ought to be discarded, it is no longer proper when
population is high and abuse is easy. It might be fine a long time ago, when
population is low and people's respect for each other is higher.
da_one
the term "damaged culture" in the November 1987 issue of the Atlantic
Monthly to describe what ills the Philippines. This subject was also
expanded in his 1994 book "Looking at the Sun" wherein he writes:
"Individual Filipinos are at least as brave, kind and noble-spirited as
individual Japanese, but their culture draws the boundaries of decent
treatment much more narrowly. Because these boundaries are limited to the
family or tribe, they exclude at any given moment 99 percent of the other
people in the country. Because of this fragmentation, this lack of useful
nationalism, people treat each other worse in the Philippines than in any
other Asian country I have seen . . . the tradition of political corruption
and cronyism, the extremes of wealth and poverty, the tribal fragmentation,
the local élite's willingness to make a separate profitable peace with
colonial powers - all reflect a feeble sense of national interest.
Practically everything that is public in the Philippines seems neglected or
abused."
So is that it? The lack of "useful nationalism" is the root of all RP's
problems?
mr ed
tansong isda
Words sounds good, remember also that being nationalistic is discouraged even
today by its former masters, Spanish and American. You can prove this readily
by spouting nationalistic fervor in this NG for example and watch the Kanos who
post here reply.
The problem of Filipinos' lask of Nationalism is described by some as
"Regionalism".
Norman G. Owen
I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned the "poppy-lopping"
syndrome said to exist in Australian society, in that no one wants to
excel or stand out [so the theory goes] because the "tallest poppy" gets
his/her head lopped off by everybody else.
To my outsider's eyes (in both societies), there's a remarkable
similarity in outlook between the two [alleged] mentalities, both of
which are invoked to explain why it's hard to get ahead, because there's
always some of your own group trying to drag you down. (Just as many
Filipinos felt - apparently - that they had to leave the provinces to
succeed ["If you want to get up, get out!" was how one American
sociologist expressed it], or even leave for the USA, so a host of
Australians, feeling under-appreciated down under, headed off for the UK
to artistic success: Clive James, Germaine Greer, Barry Humphries being
among the most prominent.)
I do not feel qualified to judge whether this "myth" about these two
societies is in fact true, whether they in fact are unusually prone to
dragging each other down, or whether these are just local manifestations
of a universal trait. If there's a genuine similarity between the two
societies, it's obviously not based on underlying "culture"
(Filipino/Asian vs. Australian/European), but might just have something
to do with similar colonial experiences and post-colonial attitudes.
What Filipinos today describe as the "colonial mentality" (everything
foreign, especially American, is better than anything Filipino) is very
close to what Australians call the "cultural cringe."
Just my 2 pesos (or A$0.02?) worth.
Norman
Renowl
bought 2 pounds pf crab from pacific filipino supermarket and then we ate em
all. yum yum. we like crabs .
Mo Silidonio
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Since people are drawing parallels, isn't crab mentality similar to the
mentality exhibited in some black movies where a black person who's trying
to succeed is called an "Uncle Tom"; leaving the 'hood; getting oneself out
of the ghetto; being too high yellow, etc, etc.?
tansong isda
>
> Since people are drawing parallels, isn't crab mentality similar to the
> mentality exhibited in some black movies where a black person who's trying
> to succeed is called an "Uncle Tom"; leaving the 'hood; getting oneself out
> of the ghetto; being too high yellow, etc, etc.?
This is actually a common social phenomena, called many different ways among the
many different social groups. Whoever it is that is getting "uppity" and higher
than most, gets to be the victim. I ignore anything that maligns another, if
someone gets over the hurdle, be happy that someone was able to do it.
Renowl
them becauser they dont earn as much money , had the same degree or go with
the right crown is another thing. its called being an asshole . and they stink
tansong isda
The idea behind all this is not in belittling but besmirching, you know it goes
like this "He cannot be succesful if....." or "He/She is only successful
because...", making that success sound like a bad thing. Happens all the time, in
all cultures.
K.J.
> >
> > Sylvia,
> >
> >
> > So, from my friend's point of view, "crab mentality" is a common mindset
in
> > the Philippines.
> >
> > I think the phenomena is very interesting from a sociological
standpoint.
> >
> > - Maggie
Sorry to jump in, but I really think the crab mentality is embedded in the
human gene pool. It certainly isn't a phenomena isolated to the Philippines.
Some have it worse than others. In time, some manage to out grow it, but
can't get rid of it completely.
Sounds like an STD, or something. Anyone care to lay out some funny symptoms
of the crab mentality?
- KJ
Sylvia Knörr
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To say that the lack of "useful nationalism" is the root of all RP´s
problems surely is too narrow-sighted. I don´t believe in mono-causal
explanations. But there might be some truth in this assumption though.
Obviously a lot of the pre-colonial tribal ethics still remained alive. But
as it evolved in tribes with limited population numbers, it causes problems
in a big urban society.
To support relatives and close friends is a natural human instinct which
works well until the number of tribe members gets too high. In former times
at this point a tribe simply split in two, so in a big urban society it
can`t work anymore. Often there is a conflict of interests between
supporting the nation and supporting the own family. Nationalism can only
work when laws suppress (to a certain degree) the natural instinct to
support only the own family and friends.
Big Tribe Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> "Sylvia Knörr" wrote:
>
> > "tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:3EFBB23D...@hindiginto.ito...
> >
> >
> > There maybe some backtalk and
> > > sass but nothing drastic as being expelled for whatever reason.
> > > In politics, a son or other relative may be involved incrime, even
high
> > > treason, the relative seating in power will protect that relative even
to
> > > his/her downfall.
> > When personal loyality goes that far, it is hard to put in a policy of
> > objective fairness. When you protect even a criminal just because he is
your
> > relative, how can you expect ANYONE to punish criminals no matter who
they
> > are?
> Knowing the culture, it is easy to understand the root of the problem in
the
> country. In fact the biggest problem are the relatives who abuse another
> relative's power, they can get away with it including murder. Friendship
is also
> another problem, this "debt of gratitude", or utang na lo-ob thing.
In my society a "debt of gratitude" also does exist - you do someone a favor
when he did a favor to you. But I think this is not exactly the same as
"Utang na loob". This seems to be a much stronger tie.
> If I get arrested, all I have to do is call a cousin or some firend, "yes
> sir!...." I am out in a minute, and it happened once, my cousin even told
me to
> slap the cop who arrested me and he won't do anything. I apologized to the
cop
> instead, and the cop became a friend because of the respect for his
uniform that
> I showed.
> In small cases, and small towns where respect and knowledge of people it
might
> be fine, but in large cities....it is bad, real bad. I have seen a Mayor's
son
> shoot and kill someone, then ran him over with a jeep. Pasay City, years
ago.
>
> This part of the culture ought to be discarded, it is no longer proper
when
> population is high and abuse is easy. It might be fine a long time ago,
when
> population is low and people's respect for each other is higher.
I think in a rural community where all members know each other personally,
the "utang na loob concept" is a fine thing, it surely strengthens the
spirit of community and helps to respect the rules. But in large cities it
must foster nepotism and weakens the sense of responsibility for society and
law.
Urban Piggy
Sylvia Knörr
"K.J." <TheJoe...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
>
> Sorry to jump in, but I really think the crab mentality is embedded in the
> human gene pool. It certainly isn't a phenomena isolated to the
Philippines.
Right, it´s in our genes, competition is the motor of evolution.
> Some have it worse than others. In time, some manage to out grow it, but
> can't get rid of it completely.
Societies found different ways to handle human competition. There´s no use
in trying to root it out (somehow that´s what made the concept of communism
fail). Successful societies just found ways to balance competition and
mutual support. Too much competition leads to bloody conflicts, too little
competition leads to stagnation.
> Sounds like an STD, or something. Anyone care to lay out some funny
symptoms
> of the crab mentality?
>
> - KJ
Symptoms for crab mentality? Claws red with blood for instance...
White Claw Piggy
Renowl
time to be like george washington . i believe lots of heroes or and agitators
come from homes that are economically ok or very rich . idle time =
restless minds
tansong isda
> In my society a "debt of gratitude" also does exist - you do someone a favor
> when he did a favor to you. But I think this is not exactly the same as
> "Utang na loob". This seems to be a much stronger tie.
Yes, but only the Italians have an equivalent to this. You know, the Sicialian
ones.
> I think in a rural community where all members know each other personally,
> the "utang na loob concept" is a fine thing, it surely strengthens the
> spirit of community and helps to respect the rules. But in large cities it
> must foster nepotism and weakens the sense of responsibility for society and
> law.
>
> Urban Piggy
This is another problem in the Philippines, everybody still thinks like it is a
small country, it isn't by a long shot. Case in point, everyone throws out
everything along the waterways, a long time ago, the waters can absorb and do
its process cleaning itself, fine, everyone uses biodegradable stuff. You cannot
do this anymore. There's too many people doing it and the waterways cannot
handle it.
The same with the small closeknit groups and communities, it becomes corruption.
I went back home(home is Philippines) one time and some guy came to me and siad
he wants something from me for old time's sake, then all memories of him came to
me in one jolt so I said "Actually, I don't owe you anything".
Just JT
Sabi ni "tansong isda" <ta...@hindiginto.ito>...
>
> I went back home(home is Philippines) one time and some guy came to me and
siad
> he wants something from me for old time's sake, then all memories of him
came to
> me in one jolt so I said "Actually, I don't owe you anything".
What was he soliciting from you? WILD ANIMAL SEX? Was he cute? Or no more?
--
DalubDon'tHurtToAskASimpleQuestion
tansong isda
He wants USDollar, I remembered that his parents are one of those political
types and the man a known bully. And my brother ended up giving him a permanent
limp for being such an asshole calling my mother a whore. He was a terror in the
neighborhood.
I was going to give him another limp but I remembered he was your cousin or
something, so I passed that one up, besides, he does not look like the bully
anymore.
You are forgetting how I grew up now. Along the streets of Cubao. The only brown
long-haired dood there.
K.J.
>
> "K.J." <TheJoe...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:%RpMa.370$RG1.52...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> >
> > Sorry to jump in, but I really think the crab mentality is embedded in
the
> > human gene pool. It certainly isn't a phenomena isolated to the
> Philippines.
>
> Right, it´s in our genes, competition is the motor of evolution.
>
Don't forget, that jealousy is one of the ingredients that fuels the engine.
> > Some have it worse than others. In time, some manage to out grow it, but
> > can't get rid of it completely.
>
> Societies found different ways to handle human competition. There´s no use
> in trying to root it out (somehow that´s what made the concept of
communism
> fail). Successful societies just found ways to balance competition and
> mutual support. Too much competition leads to bloody conflicts, too little
> competition leads to stagnation.
>
In America, we're programmed to "be a good sport". This helps [perhaps a
little] balance competition. There are also laws created to ensure [to some
degree] that others will "try" to be a good sport.
> > Sounds like an STD, or something. Anyone care to lay out some funny
> symptoms
> > of the crab mentality?
> >
> > - KJ
>
> Symptoms for crab mentality? Claws red with blood for instance...
>
> White Claw Piggy
>
I was thinking of something undisguised, visually detectable. Most women
have pretty hands with long, painted nails, and most guys hands are covered
in grease, and dirt. heheheheh.
Sylvia Knörr
>
> "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:bdtbop$iq$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
> >
> > "K.J." <TheJoe...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:%RpMa.370$RG1.52...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> > > Sorry to jump in, but I really think the crab mentality is embedded in
> the
> > > human gene pool. It certainly isn't a phenomena isolated to the
> > Philippines.
> > Right, it´s in our genes, competition is the motor of evolution.
> Don't forget, that jealousy is one of the ingredients that fuels the
engine.
That´s right. As long as resources provide enough for everyone, there is
little jealousy, but usually there is not enough for everyone to live in
abundance.
> > Societies found different ways to handle human competition. There´s no
use
> > in trying to root it out (somehow that´s what made the concept of
> communism
> > fail). Successful societies just found ways to balance competition and
> > mutual support. Too much competition leads to bloody conflicts, too
little
> > competition leads to stagnation.
> In America, we're programmed to "be a good sport". This helps [perhaps a
> little] balance competition. There are also laws created to ensure [to
some
> degree] that others will "try" to be a good sport.
I guess that is one of the reasons why the USA produce successful business
people. It is accepted and understood that everyone pursues his own goals,
but it is important that "fair play" is something one can rely on. Without
that, it would end in anarchy.
Now that you mentioned sport it comes to my mind that games and sports are
civilized ways to handle competition. If only international conflicts could
be solved in a soccer or basketball match instead of a war!
> > > Sounds like an STD, or something. Anyone care to lay out some funny
> > symptoms
> > > of the crab mentality?
> > >
> > > - KJ
> > Symptoms for crab mentality? Claws red with blood for instance...
> >
> > White Claw Piggy
> I was thinking of something undisguised, visually detectable. Most women
> have pretty hands with long, painted nails, and most guys hands are
covered
> in grease, and dirt. heheheheh.
What open symptoms do you want? Black hair? Short nose? ;-)
Long Nose Piggy
pepeton j'anton
> besides if you are too busy just surviving and making ends meet there is no
> time to be like george washington . i believe lots of heroes or and agitators
> come from homes that are economically ok or very rich . idle time =
Can anybody verify if James Fallows, the author cited here was the
same writer who was recently profiled in major newspapers around the
world as a "Japanese basher" and was subsequently fired or dismissed
from his job as editor of the U.S. News and World Report by his boss
Martin Zuckerman, precisely because of his bigoted views of
Asians(particularly, Japanese, Thais, and of course, Pilipinos, too)?
Pepeton