street caroling now banned in metro manila
Renowl
Dirty Sick Pig
"Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> they say its dangerous and could lead to street fitality. kill joys.
street fitality ok
joys killed not ok
riight plonkv helleluyah pgi
Sylvia Knörr
"Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> they say its dangerous and could lead to street fitality. kill joys.
Rennie, could you please say it in English? WHAT is banned, and WHY?
Didn´t Get It Piggy
Congenital Kano
"Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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My interpretation, based upon years of studying the convoluted and primitive
dialect of the indigenous Renowl, is that singing on the streets (caroling
generally refers to the singing of Christmas songs) has been legally
restricted in MM.
Or, he is referring to a native ritual where women named "Carol" are hunted
down, mounted, and stuffed. No, that doesn't sound right either...
Oh, well, Maybe Chris can translate Pig
Mo Silidonio
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>
He actually was. Carolling in the neighborhood is popular in the
Philippines, wherein kids or adults walk from house to house by the front
door and sing Christmas carols. The all-time favorites are, "Ang Pasko ay
Sumapit" (Christmas is here), "Sa Maybahay ang Aming Bati" (Good tidings to
you) , "Pasko Na Namang Muli" (It's Christmas once more), and ending in We
Wish You A Merry Christmas". If the homeowner gives them something (usually
cash, sometimes food), they will usually sing, "Thank You, thank you!". But
if the amount does not meet their expectation, they will add, "Ang babarat
ninyo (you're such a cheapskate) , thank you."
Renowl
politicos are guilty of. carolling gives some of this kids something better to
do compared to sniffing glue or selling their bodies to some pedo. if they
ban this would they ban the kids selling cigarrettes and sampaguita flowers
in the streets too ? its such an anti poor measure that its ridiculous.
tansong tumbaga
You must understand Filipino English, in English carol is not a verb and
cannot take the form of "carolling", it is a noun. For Filipinos when
you go out and sing carols(Christmas songs) you are carol-ling. It
becomes a verb, because Filipino languages allows this.
Now, they banned this, you see, every year, someone has to find
justification for their existence regardless of Philippine attitude
about things they go about "outlawing" what they didn't like, does it
change anyhting? No! It goes on.
Another law people would ignore. Theres plenty of it.
Renowl
Renowl
people without shirts allowed in public places. no public drinking of liqiour
etc... do you know their website?
Renowl
It seems that the MMDA needs to be reminded that it is merely a coordinating
body and has no authority to pass ordinances. This was the ruling of the
Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court said in March 2000 that the MMDA is not a political unit, but
a mere administrative agency attached to the Office of the President. As such,
the MMDA has no legislative powers and cannot, therefore, enact ordinances and
resolutions.
Dirty Sick Pig
> here here for practicality.
there there for practicality riight plonkv helleluyah
Dirty Sick Pig
Dirty Sick Pig
As a part of the Office of the President, MMDA can suggest or submit draft
Presidential edicts riight gago plonkv helleluyah
Renowl
governments own laws. mmda sometimes have an agenda thats in conflict with
local governments own laws and ordinances
Renowl
governments own laws. mmda sometimes have an agenda thats in conflict with
local governments own laws and ordinances
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2003/jun/27/top_stories/20030627top7.html
see also the brouhaha on ex marquez bailiwick with mmda
tansong tumbaga
Ask Boracay Bill.
dr ngo
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
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>>>
>>
> You must understand Filipino English, in English carol is not a verb and
> cannot take the form of "carolling", it is a noun.
Actually "carol" as a verb - "to sing a lively or joyous song" - dates from
16th century English (according to the Oxford dictionary), and has been in
use ever since, particularly at the Xmas season. Cf. the popular carol that
begins "Carolling, carolling through the woods, Christmas bells are ringing
..."
For Filipinos when
> you go out and sing carols(Christmas songs) you are carol-ling. It becomes
> a verb, because Filipino languages allows this.
Filipino English is indeed distinctive and colorful, but in this instance
they are using standard English. As previously noted, sometimes Filipinos
use words, like "viand," that have fallen out of fashion elsewhere in the
English-speaking world. Perhaps that's what's happening here - perhaps a
generation of Americans younger than myself are no longer familiar with
"carolling" as a verb?
Father Christmas Pig
Dirty Sick Pig
Your "sometimes" noted.
Unfortunately, the Philippines does not have a federal form of government.
Go figure.
Mo Silidonio
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>>
> cannot take the form of "carolling", it is a noun.
"Carol" is a noun; carolling is a verb or gerund. Haven't you heard of the
song that goes, "Here we come a-carolling, here we come a-carolling..."
Dirty Sick Pig
"Mo Silidonio" <deletej...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I prefer the more cheery "Rudolph roasting on an open fire, chestnuts
shoved up his nose......"
Should It Be Randolph Pig?
My bad
tansong tumbaga
Guess I am not familiar with it as a verb. Still, Filipino English do
allow all nouns to become a verb, especially when it is a foreign word.
Kodakan tayo!
tansong tumbaga
Hey, I don't go around carol ling when I was a kid, as an older
semi-man-kid, yes, that is more rowdy than serious.
nntp
nntp
suffix-ing ;)
isa-save ko itong post na ito, ipi-print ko, tapos ipapa-xerox ko.
tansong tumbaga
Renowl
Sylvia Knörr
"Mo Silidonio" <deletej...@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:cmrjc0$bsm$03$1...@news.t-online.com...
> > "Renowl" <ren...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:20041108234711...@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >> they say its dangerous and could lead to street fitality. kill joys.
> > Rennie, could you please say it in English? WHAT is banned, and WHY?
> He actually was.
Sorry for not understanding, it´s just that carolling is not common where I
live.
Carolling in the neighborhood is popular in the
> Philippines, wherein kids or adults walk from house to house by the front
> door and sing Christmas carols. The all-time favorites are, "Ang Pasko ay
> Sumapit" (Christmas is here), "Sa Maybahay ang Aming Bati" (Good tidings
to
> you) , "Pasko Na Namang Muli" (It's Christmas once more), and ending in We
> Wish You A Merry Christmas". If the homeowner gives them something
(usually
> cash, sometimes food), they will usually sing, "Thank You, thank you!".
But
> if the amount does not meet their expectation, they will add, "Ang babarat
> ninyo (you're such a cheapskate) , thank you."
This does not sound like a real annoyance - why is it banned?
Awit Ng Pasko Piggy
Mo Silidonio
Perhaps Renowl can enlighten us why it is being banned. Afterall he started
this thread. As far as I can infer form his original post, he said
something like it is "dangerous and could lead to street fatalities". It
realy doesn't make any sense to me. If they're crowding the streets that is
against ordinance in itself; no need to ban carolling but impose rules on
obstructing traffic.
Renowl
Just JT
>
> they do the caroling when cars are stopped in traffic.
Now I understand. What is being banned are people going from vehicle to
vehicle during a traffic stop. The traditional house-to-house carolling is
not banned.
But this is not CAROLLING. This is BEGGING WITH XMAS SONGS. :-)
--
DalubIt'sAllSemanticsIKnow
Renowl
--
DalubIt'sAllSemanticsIKnow
would you rather they sell their bodies to pedophiles?
Dirty Sick Pig
> This does not sound like a real annoyance - why is it banned?
>
> Awit Ng Pasko Piggy
Caroling in RP is nothing but door to door begging. Proceeds are just split
between the joyous carolers. Homeowners feel compelled to give even if they
don't want to. Turning carolers away or not giving enough can result in
nasty Season's Greetings at the least, and a landscaping job at the worst.
RandolphTheRedNosedPig
Roasting on an open fire
Dirty Sick Pig
> would you rather they sell their bodies to pedophiles?
How much are you willing to pay, perv?
DSP
Dirty Sick Pig
"Boracay Bill" <boracaybi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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".....and I haven't been able to get it to come up."
I'm sure JT has a solution to this most personal of problems.
V-Pig
tansong tumbaga
> tansong tumbaga <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message news:<Hwrkd.40379$QJ3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
> Try http://www.mmda.gov.ph/
>
> The site is really slow for me, and I haven't been able to get it to come up.
The man!
He delivers with little fanfare but always accurate.
tansong tumbaga
> dont sell mmda short these guys are really into it. ask the vendors
mmda would rather have malls instead of street vendors, the whole effort
is to "Westernize" and gentrify Manila area, an effort like this would
remove the squatters a last faster than forcibly removing them, because
those strips of land they occupy becomes so precious, the owners may
decide to develop finally.
It is a double edge sword, always have been even here in the US.
Renowl
mmda would rather have malls instead of street vendors, the whole effort
is to "Westernize" and gentrify Manila area, an effort like this would
remove the squatters a last faster than forcibly removing them, because
those strips of land they occupy becomes so precious, the owners may
decide to develop finally.
It is a double edge sword, always have been even here in the US.
and one wonders where the mmda will hide the squatters next? will they just
ban them from working on the streets and provide an AFFORDABLE alternative
or just shoo them away hoping that they would just disappear? street busking
have an appeal on their own. haggling and searching thru the warrens of street
vendors is an adventure in itself something the sterile malls does not
provide.
Renowl
>lvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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>
>> This does not sound like a real annoyance - why is it banned?
>>
because the mmda have nothing better to do but annoy and pester powerless
street urchins who are just looking for some money to feed themselves thru
caroling .mmda have already keep hassling them from street vending . mmda has
already evicted lots of their poor families from their makeshift houses.
what more do they want? have them commit mass harakiri so problem would be
conveniently solved? they are not going to disappear. starving people need to
do something to feed themselves.
o agila @msn.com Bugok na Itlog
Whatever happened to the relocation project to Sapang Palay?
Just JT
I agree with MMDA's actions on banning street caroling. First and foremost,
any government organisation should look after the SAFETY and WELL-BEING of
its constituents. Dodging and avoiding motor vehicles when begging on the
streets is DANGEROUS. I'd rather people starve than get killed: starving is
the lesser of two evils.
Ditto with evicting them from their makeshift homes. Those makeshift homes
are fire hazards! If a fire breaks out in a slum community, the government
is always to blame although government did not build those slum communities.
People are better off homeless than die in a fire: homeless is the lesser of
two evils.
Amen!
--
On a different note: See, Rennie! Including the original text in your reply
WASN'T THAT HARD!!!
Everybody give Rennie A GROUP HUG, especially YOU PIG who has doubted
Rennie's capabilities all through out!!!
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DalubGroupHugWillHealAllAchesPainsAndIllnesses
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I am not so sure about which is the lesser of two evils - both are cruel in
different ways. It seems to me that not street carolling or illegal
squatting is the real problem, but law enforcement. If it is prohibited to
jaywalk it doesn´t matter whether you are carolling while you do it or not.
> Ditto with evicting them from their makeshift homes. Those makeshift homes
> are fire hazards! If a fire breaks out in a slum community, the government
> is always to blame although government did not build those slum
communities.
> People are better off homeless than die in a fire: homeless is the lesser
of
> two evils.
Again, this is a question of law enforcement. People only build up makeshift
homes as long as nobody stops them from doing it. To tolerate it in the
first place and evict the sqatters after a while seems a bit unfair.
> On a different note: See, Rennie! Including the original text in your
reply
> WASN'T THAT HARD!!!
See, JT, I always told you that Rennie will learn how to do it sooner or
later. Ha! :-P
> Everybody give Rennie A GROUP HUG, especially YOU PIG who has doubted
> Rennie's capabilities all through out!!!
Nonono, not da Pig, with his stubble chin and boys´ dressing room smell he
might scare Rennie too much and keep him from going on! It´s better to let
the females do the hugs... ;-)
Soft Touch Piggy
tansong tumbaga
Squatters would continue to increase, even with gentrification and
forcibly relocating them, the reason? Jobs, people need jobs so they
will venture out even in makeshift homes to find it.
There are more ways to earn a living in Manila, lots of them outside of
the real economy. The money's small but better than nothing. you won't
find in in places where they are being relocated to.
Renowl
>any government organisation should look after the SAFETY and WELL-BEING of
>its constituents.
moving mass of metal is it the middle class drivers or passengers or the
street urchins out there trying to make a living? unless its election time ,
the govt dont really care anyways if some poor street urchin would get run
over and dies. this is not about safety but rather an imeldefic wish to make
the the unwashed poor and their unsightly makeshift houses go away from our
middle class and elite eyesight. i say booo to that . booo.
jt also says
>I'd rather people starve than get killed:
street urchins have been selling sampaguitas , cigarrettes, newspapers,
bottled water etc on the busy streets since our grandfathers time. illl do a
kano. cite how many got hit by cars and how many die from no food and
other poor diseases . i bet you they die more from sickness and other deseases
early on .
jt also says
>Ditto with evicting them from their makeshift homes. Those makeshift homes
>are fire hazards! If a fire breaks out in a slum community, the government
>is always to blame although government did not build those slum communities.
>People are better off homeless than die in a fire: homeless is the lesser of
>two evils.
o myy god. did you just say what you did marie antonnette? i guess for you
its ok for the poor to die from the elements [ bagyo, cold winds, hot
summers] than to die being barbecued in a fire . dead is dead. these poor
people are trying their best to survive and you worry about firehazars?
even middle class houses [ not your elite ritzy freinds] in manila are
firehazards. many of the old houses has not been upgraded and electric wires
zigzag and crisscross all over the city. do you propose we demolish them too ?
face it , the government destroy poor peoples houses, and livelihoods easier
at the drop of a hat because they are more vulnerable and cant sue or create
trouble compared to a middle class or the rich . they only worry about the
poor when its election time or when they rise up ala edsa or go to the hills
and take up arms.
Renowl
circle of the action to get their scraps .
tansong tumbaga
> they send em far away and these people have no car and need to be in the
> circle of the action to get their scraps .
Since the indepandence of the Philippines, efforts had been made to do
that with the same result. The sad thing is noone thought that moving
jobs to the area first and then moving people, or low-income housing to
the area is the best solution.
Without any infrastructures except for buildings who would want to live
there?
The only time such an effort became successful is when Brazil decided to
creat Brasilia as a new capital, that worked because they moved the
national offices there.
Just JT
>
> they send em far away and these people have no car and need to be in the
> circle of the action to get their scraps .
All I can say to these squatters (read: illegal occupiers of land): F*CK
THEM! They should be grateful they are getting relocated FREE. They're lucky
they have not been arrested for squatting.
Noone forced them to squat!
--
DalubLawlessnessSignOfSickSociety
Just JT
>
> if the kids would get run over, who will feel the pain of being hit by a
> moving mass of metal is it the middle class drivers or passengers or the
> street urchins out there trying to make a living?
If a child gets run over, WE ALL SHARE THE PAIN. That's why these kids
should be REMOVED from the BUSY streets.
> unless its election time ,
> the govt dont really care anyways if some poor street urchin would get
> run
> over and dies. this is not about safety but rather an imeldefic wish to
> make
> the the unwashed poor and their unsightly makeshift houses go away from
> our
> middle class and elite eyesight. i say booo to that . booo.
-------------
Where is the sense of personal responsibility of these people. Who told them
to squat? Who told them to make dozens of kids when they have nothing to
feed them? The parents of these kids should be held responsible for their
actions.
>
> cite how many got hit by cars and how many die from no food and
> other poor diseases . i bet you they die more from sickness and other
> deseases
> early on .
---------------
Does it really matter if more die of sickness than from car crashes. The
blame is back to these parents who had too many children they can't afford.
Why do some people work hard THE SAFE and LEGAL WAY and then some people
expect to BAILED OUT of their follies?
>
> o myy god. did you just say what you did marie antonnette? i guess for
> you
> its ok for the poor to die from the elements [ bagyo, cold winds, hot
> summers] than to die being barbecued in a fire . dead is dead. these
> poor
> people are trying their best to survive and you worry about firehazars?
---------------
These people should find other ways to live with squatting and building fire
hazardous dwellings. Again: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
> even middle class houses [ not your elite ritzy freinds] in manila are
> firehazards. many of the old houses has not been upgraded and electric
> wires
> zigzag and crisscross all over the city. do you propose we demolish them
> too ?
--------------
They don't have to be demolished. They can be inspected and the necessary
upgrade should be done to keep them compliant with the fire code. As for
these illegal makeshift homes? There's no way to upgrade them to make them
compliant with the fire code. They have to be DEMOLISHED because they're
ILLEGAL in the first place.
> face it , the government destroy poor peoples houses, and livelihoods
> easier
> at the drop of a hat because they are more vulnerable and cant sue or
> create
> trouble compared to a middle class or the rich . they only worry about
> the
> poor when its election time or when they rise up ala edsa or go to the
> hills
> and take up arms.
----------------
The government should not worry about them at all. F*CK them all! Everyone
should face their personal responsibility and make their own lives within
the law and the fire code.
--
DalubISurvivedWithoutGovernmentDoleouts
Just JT
Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de>:
>
> It seems to me that not street carolling or illegal
> squatting is the real problem, but law enforcement. If it is prohibited to
> jaywalk it doesn´t matter whether you are carolling while you do it or
> not.
Let me ask you, mein Schatz: Should we do things because the laws says so or
should we do things because THEY ARE THE RIGHT THING TO DO? What happened to
personal integrity?
>
> Again, this is a question of law enforcement. People only build up
> makeshift
> homes as long as nobody stops them from doing it. To tolerate it in the
> first place and evict the sqatters after a while seems a bit unfair.
----------------
If one person is caught by the tax office cheating, is it unfair to be
prosecuted just because other people are also cheating? If a dozen cars are
speeding, is it unfair if only one vehicle can be caught by one police
officer at a time?
>
> See, JT, I always told you that Rennie will learn how to do it sooner or
> later. Ha! :-P
---------------
But it looks like he's lapsed again to his usual self. I see his posts that
have no original text once again. I guess however we dress up a monkey,
it'll always be a monkey.
>
> Nonono, not da Pig, with his stubble chin and boys´ dressing room smell he
> might scare Rennie too much and keep him from going on! It´s better to let
> the females do the hugs... ;-)
----------------
How about if the PIG dressed in DRAG? :-)
--
DalubBetterThanThePigTotallyNude?
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> Sabi ni "Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de>:
> > It seems to me that not street carolling or illegal
> > squatting is the real problem, but law enforcement. If it is prohibited
to
> > jaywalk it doesn´t matter whether you are carolling while you do it or
> > not.
> ----------------
> Let me ask you, mein Schatz: Should we do things because the laws says so
or
> should we do things because THEY ARE THE RIGHT THING TO DO? What happened
to
> personal integrity?
Of course we should do the right things with or without laws, but people
have different concepts of what IS the right thing. So there are laws to
tell the people what to do, no matter what they personally define as
"right".
My point was, that in the Philippines there already ARE laws which prohibit
pedestrians to walk on busy streets, so instead of making another law for
street caroling, it´s better to enforce the law which is already there, it
applies to the street caroling people.
> > Again, this is a question of law enforcement. People only build up
> > makeshift
> > homes as long as nobody stops them from doing it. To tolerate it in the
> > first place and evict the sqatters after a while seems a bit unfair.
> ----------------
> If one person is caught by the tax office cheating, is it unfair to be
> prosecuted just because other people are also cheating? If a dozen cars
are
> speeding, is it unfair if only one vehicle can be caught by one police
> officer at a time?
That´s a different thing. I think if you don´t inhibit people from squatting
for months and years, they will get the imagination that it is okay to do
it. That´s not just a Filipino problem. Also in Germany sometimes people
would build up shacks and houses somewhere without a permission as long as
they get away with it. But in most cases the police will show up und evict
the squatters and tear their buildings down very quickly, so people are
disencouraged to do it. The same goes for sidewalk vendors - in Germany,
they could not stay there fore one day, this I´m sure. In Manila, it is
prohibited, but in fact tolerated. That´s why I can´t blame the vendors.
> > See, JT, I always told you that Rennie will learn how to do it sooner or
> > later. Ha! :-P
> ---------------
> But it looks like he's lapsed again to his usual self. I see his posts
that
> have no original text once again. I guess however we dress up a monkey,
> it'll always be a monkey.
Just be patient, good things need time, and bad habits root deep. I´m sure
Rennie will get used to it within the coming weeks and he will be Mister SCF
by the end of this year. :-)
> > Nonono, not da Pig, with his stubble chin and boys´ dressing room smell
he
> > might scare Rennie too much and keep him from going on! It´s better to
let
> > the females do the hugs... ;-)
> ----------------
> How about if the PIG dressed in DRAG? :-)
> DalubBetterThanThePigTotallyNude?
Caution, your erotic preferences are shining through! ;-)
Closet Piggy
Renowl
in your front yard
Renowl
the provinces has become the capital once.
Renowl
>have no original text once again. I guess however we dress up a monkey,
>it'll always be a monkey.
when will the name calling ever cease. first he call you a criminal , then a
bimbo, then a psycho,a bad money holder, then a bad father, then a bad
husband, now a monkey. jt really loves me huh?
Dirty Sick Pig
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message
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> --
> DalubLawlessnessSignOfSickSociety
Note the "requirement" for a CAR! Isn't that stoopeed?
Confirming Pig
Dirty Sick Pig
> if you say fuck you to the poor then the poor can say fuck you back and
poop
> in your front yard
fuck you
PigSquattingInThorFrontyard
Dirty Sick Pig
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message
> > Nonono, not da Pig, with his stubble chin and boys´ dressing room smell
he
> > might scare Rennie too much and keep him from going on! It´s better to
let
> > the females do the hugs... ;-)
> ----------------
> How about if the PIG dressed in DRAG? :-)
> --
> DalubBetterThanThePigTotallyNude?
I will have a Supergirl costume ready by sundown today. Perfect match for
your Supersap Danskins?
Linda Pig
Dirty Sick Pig
"Sylvia Knörr" <sylvia.kno...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> Of course we should do the right things with or without laws, but people
> have different concepts of what IS the right thing. So there are laws to
> tell the people what to do, no matter what they personally define as
> "right".
> My point was, that in the Philippines there already ARE laws which
prohibit
> pedestrians to walk on busy streets, so instead of making another law for
> street caroling, it´s better to enforce the law which is already there, it
> applies to the street caroling people.
All crosswalks ("pedestrian lanes" in RP) will be crowded with carolers!
Miss DSP
Dirty Sick Pig
I agree. I'll settle for criminally stupid until proven wrong.
Miss DSP
Renowl
Renowl
>
>Confirming Pig
>
shows you how out of touch mr dirty sick pig is when it comes to philippine
reality. must be one of those marie antonnette types who stays within their
rich insulated walls when vacationing to the philippine pigs. well its time
for him to sniff the air and go out more. the philippines is not inside the
gated guarded enclaves.
Dirty Sick Pig
> thats what the philippines need to do move the capital every year till
all
> the provinces has become the capital once.
Guys, remember this renowlism when you respond to the Stupidity Poll!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Renowl
i am happy here are you?
Renowl
insdie. bring your boxing gloves and you can even use those military moves
you learned when you were bragging .
waiting for mr brave pig
renowl
Dirty Sick Pig
I concede I was wrong. A "philippine reality" is that a squatter family of
14 does need a car so at least half of them can live in it. Guys, remember
this when you respond to the Stupidity Poll!
Miss DSP
Just JT
<Sigh>. I didn't say you're a monkey. The "dress up a monkey" is an old
cliché. You know what a cliché is? If you don't, come over here, give me a
group hug, and I'll explain.
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DalubAlwaysCaringAndSharingToTheUninformed
Dirty Sick Pig
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message
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Supergirl Pig
Dirty Sick Pig
> ok i will join renowl is stupid but he is more handsome than you. happy?
well
> i am happy here are you?
hu yu toking tu, s'pid?
Dirty Sick Pig
You're pissed at me! Why, s'pid?
Ms. DSPugilist
-No rules
-No gloves
-No gyms
-No rings
Dirty Sick Pig
> well fuck you to mr pig
yu dont haf to say mr
riight plonkv helleluyah pig
Just JT
>
> Ms. DSPugilist
> -No rules
> -No gloves
> -No gyms
> -No rings
- No running away?
- No crying to mama?
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DalubNoHoldsBarred
Renowl
aggression againts me
Renowl
Just JT
>
> im no piss. i am offering you a way to get rid of your penth up
> aggression againts me
What pig is trying to say is: PISS BE WITH YOU.
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DalubMakeLabNotWhore
Dirty Sick Pig
> im no piss. i am offering you a way to get rid of your penth up
> aggression againts me
riight plonkv helleluyan againts penth im no pig
Boracay Bill
> Sabi ni "Renowl" <ren...@aol.com>:
> >
> > im no piss. i am offering you a way to get rid of your penth up
> > aggression againts me
> ---------------
> What pig is trying to say is: PISS BE WITH YOU.
Taking this meandering thread off in another direction here, I mention
that I have many times observed Filipino men urinating in public
against any vertical-oriented object which was available -- to the
degree that there is a heavy a urine stink in many places. On the
other hand, I have only once or twice seen a Filipino woman urinating
in public.
Do Filipino women have larger bladders than Filipino men, or what?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Renowl
they would pee for longer periods compared to men . remember they have the
capacity to carry a child and have to pee for 2 when preggy
Juan Ice
but this does ban does come as a surprise to me. just the other day i
saw a beggar nearly get hit by a car in alabang (the phils' most
valiant effort at creating a florida-esque upper-middle-super-upper
class suburbia) looked about 7 yrs old and didnt even care just ran
off leaving the driver pretty pissed and shook up. the motive behind
this ban is a mystery to me since presumably by its wording the ban is
effective only during the holyday season but thats stupid since
all-year-round for as long as they have lived they beg on the streets
get hit on by violence degradation marginalization hunger and the
occassional honda civic.
these kids are getting the worst of it and i have ideas and would be
glad to hear yours on how to get the poor out of the city and back on
their feet.
tansong tumbaga <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message news:<NxCkd.20056$6q2....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>...
> dr ngo wrote:
>
> > "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
> > news:fLjkd.19737$6q2....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> >>You must understand Filipino English, in English carol is not a verb and
> >>cannot take the form of "carolling", it is a noun.
> >
> >
> > Actually "carol" as a verb - "to sing a lively or joyous song" - dates from
> > 16th century English (according to the Oxford dictionary), and has been in
> > use ever since, particularly at the Xmas season. Cf. the popular carol that
> > begins "Carolling, carolling through the woods, Christmas bells are ringing
> > ..."
> >
> >
> > For Filipinos when
> >
> >>you go out and sing carols(Christmas songs) you are carol-ling. It becomes
> >>a verb, because Filipino languages allows this.
> >
> >
> > Filipino English is indeed distinctive and colorful, but in this instance
> > they are using standard English. As previously noted, sometimes Filipinos
> > use words, like "viand," that have fallen out of fashion elsewhere in the
> > English-speaking world. Perhaps that's what's happening here - perhaps a
> > generation of Americans younger than myself are no longer familiar with
> > "carolling" as a verb?
> >
> > Father Christmas Pig
> >
> >
> Guess I am not familiar with it as a verb. Still, Filipino English do
> allow all nouns to become a verb, especially when it is a foreign word.
> Kodakan tayo!
Dirty Sick Pig
Guys, remember this when responding to the Stupidity Poll!
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tansong tumbaga
> linguistics--fascinating stuff specially if you're bilingual.
> but this does ban does come as a surprise to me. just the other day i
> saw a beggar nearly get hit by a car in alabang (the phils' most
> valiant effort at creating a florida-esque upper-middle-super-upper
> class suburbia) looked about 7 yrs old and didnt even care just ran
> off leaving the driver pretty pissed and shook up. the motive behind
> this ban is a mystery to me since presumably by its wording the ban is
> effective only during the holyday season but thats stupid since
> all-year-round for as long as they have lived they beg on the streets
> get hit on by violence degradation marginalization hunger and the
> occassional honda civic.
> these kids are getting the worst of it and i have ideas and would be
> glad to hear yours on how to get the poor out of the city and back on
> their feet.
>
This ban is just one of those laws that people would ignore. It would
only give law enforcement reason to arrest someone they want to arrest
at Christmas time.
To get the poor out of the City? Encourage small businesses to move,
make some roads, and create low-income housing. People would move with it.
People would move to where there are jobs.
Rose Melinis
have abdicated all concept of personal responsibility and have replaced it
with socialism, communism, and all of the other ill-conceived and unworkable
"isms". Look at the "blue" states with their huge cities and vast ghetto
vote bases. It's time the USA overhaul's their constitution and restricts
voting to land-owners and drops their welfare schemes. Get rid of the
minimum wage, unions and welfare and everyone will be working -
competitively. It's just a thought.
"OK, after the grapes are in it's time to get the pecans and the last of the
lettuce" Pigette
Dirty Sick Pig
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
> This ban is just one of those laws that people would ignore. It would
> only give law enforcement reason to arrest someone they want to arrest
> at Christmas time.
>
> To get the poor out of the City? Encourage small businesses to move,
> make some roads, and create low-income housing. People would move with it.
>
> People would move to where there are jobs.
Well, according to the sage u-renowl-a, if the poor have cars, they won't
need to move from the shantytowns but instead commute to their out of town
jobs. This nugget of wisdom should be picked up by social scientists from
far and wide for its originality in approach. I never woulda thunk of this
by mesself.
Suburbia Pig
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Renowl
>need to move from the shantytowns but instead commute to their out of town
>jobs.
wow and piggie claims to be smart. show the exact quote please that says renowl
wants the poor to have cars ? this is a quote from dirty sick pig who says he
is very smart and very educated with tons of college degrees. remember that
tansong tumbaga
Hows about public transportation? That would work, but what happened is
that the places where they threw people into has no real roads going
into it.
There are so many models to copy from, Europe and Eastern Europe where
it has been done with so much success, in Eastern Europe, greater
success happened when USSR fell. Now they have real jobs where they
live. Still poor, but better than before.
What is so funny, my project manager was complaining to me"Why are you
always complaining about USSR style housing here?", I have to, imagine
rows and rows of big buildings, they all look alike and no factories for
miles until you get out of the area (a city of public housing), now,
they have businesses locally, but it still look ugly.
But it worked, Philippine poor is less than Eastern European poor if you
think about it, the problem in the Philippines is that there are few
people serious enough to do anything about it.
First is the jobs to go to, roads to reach it, then housing projects.
You cannot start a housing project without continuing with more.
Renowl
they look like shoeboxes but for the poor it is home
Just JT
>
> Taking this meandering thread off in another direction here, I mention
> that I have many times observed Filipino men urinating in public
> against any vertical-oriented object which was available -- to the
> degree that there is a heavy a urine stink in many places. On the
> other hand, I have only once or twice seen a Filipino woman urinating
> in public.
>
> Do Filipino women have larger bladders than Filipino men, or what?
Women take their bathroom frolics differently than men. For women, the
bathroom is a social venue. Women discuss important issues such as broken
nails and new hairdos in the privacy of the lavatory. For men, the bathroom
is a place to avoid if you can.
In conclusion, women can't socialise if they just pee near a wall.
--
DalubTheMoreIKnowAboutWomenTheLessIUnderstand
Dirty Sick Pig
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
> Dirty Sick Pig wrote:
>
> > "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
> > news:ospmd.44791$QJ3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> But it worked, Philippine poor is less than Eastern European poor if you
> think about it, the problem in the Philippines is that there are few
> people serious enough to do anything about it.
>
> First is the jobs to go to, roads to reach it, then housing projects.
> You cannot start a housing project without continuing with more.
dont ferget cars for the poor .
u-renowl-a pig
Renowl
Dirty Sick Pig
> wow and piggie claims to be smart. show the exact quote please that says
renowl
> wants the poor to have cars ?
".....they send em far away and these people have no car and need to be in
the
circle of the action to get their scraps ."
Renowl
they now live in an area far from where they earn money and they are soo
poor they dont have a car so its an inconvenience. does it say we ought to
buy em a car? no . you are smoking dope today
Just JT
>
> you call that your proof? where did you learn how to read? all it says
> is
> they now live in an area far from where they earn money and they are
> soo
> poor they dont have a car so its an inconvenience.
It doesn't matter. The bottomline is: these people are squatting and should
go. They should be thankful that they are being relocated. If they don't
like the new relocation site, they don't have to go so long as they don't
return to squatting. Is this too much to ask?
--
DalubTakeItOrLeaveOrFOAD
Just JT
>
> Hows about public transportation? That would work, but what happened is
> that the places where they threw people into has no real roads going into
> it.
What would you expect? The govt is poor also. They can only afford cheap
land to relocate these squatters. The land is cheap because there are no
roads yet. Where did they expect to be relocated? The posh suburbs of Ayala
Alabang or Corinthian Gardens Quezon city. They gotta be realistic!
Since those squatters will never be happy with whatever they're given, then
THEY SHOULDN'T BE GIVEN ANYTHING AT ALL. Just evict those law breakers and
they go figure out where they can live without breaking the law again.
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DalubWhyAreSquattersRewardedForSquatting?
Renowl
Just JT
>
> you really think they wont return to squatting?
With the lacking in law enforcement, they probably would. I pity the land
owner of the squatted land.
--
DalubYouCan'tSquatOnStockHoldings
Renowl
lands most ordinary people dont put houses in like near railroad tracks,
under bridges, near garbage dumps, on muddy coastal areas, or in river sides.
they are one majior source of water pollution thu . study of pollutants in
laguna show that it mostly comes from human wastes and not from factories.
thats why the fish in fishponds there are smaller and takes longer to grow.
why the water is murky and it is harder to fish .
tansong tumbaga
> Sabi ni "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito>:
>
>>Hows about public transportation? That would work, but what happened is
>>that the places where they threw people into has no real roads going into
>>it.
>
> ----------------
> What would you expect? The govt is poor also. They can only afford cheap
> land to relocate these squatters. The land is cheap because there are no
> roads yet. Where did they expect to be relocated? The posh suburbs of Ayala
> Alabang or Corinthian Gardens Quezon city. They gotta be realistic!
>
You cannot just throw them out, that is a fact. It has to be done
properly and it has been done. They were removed to reclaimed lands,
that is fine, but you know that they would move to where they can make a
living.
The whole country is actually suffering not because of them, but because
the roads are small and could not take the beating of real big semi's.
Uhhh... I don't know the proper term for Ozzies on this.
There is a solution that would make everyone happy.
> Since those squatters will never be happy with whatever they're given, then
> THEY SHOULDN'T BE GIVEN ANYTHING AT ALL. Just evict those law breakers and
> they go figure out where they can live without breaking the law again.
>
> --
> DalubWhyAreSquattersRewardedForSquatting?
>
>
You don't reward them, you are making a mistake if you think they'll
disappear by just throwing them out. This is a big mistake, one that
governments had always made a mistake on.
There's always people "giving" them a place to squat on, yes, JT, you
don't know nor have you even tried to find out. One needs a place to
stay, you can always find one in squatter land, for a fee just like
anyplace in the world. It is not for free.
Who are they renting the place from? Find that out, and you'll find a
mess of snakes, among govt. officials and more.
I had actually witnessed someone collecting money for rent from those
guys! What do you want videos? I would do that just for your pleasure!
Your denial amazes me, I have said this before and I didn't say that
without my personal experience from being there. Well, I didn't live
there, but I stayed at my friend's place.
Dirty Sick Pig
"tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito> wrote in message
> Just JT wrote:
> > Sabi ni "tansong tumbaga" <ta...@hindiginto.ito>:
> >
> >>Hows about public transportation? That would work, but what happened is
> >>that the places where they threw people into has no real roads going
into
> >>it.
> >
> > land to relocate these squatters. The land is cheap because there are no
> > roads yet. Where did they expect to be relocated? The posh suburbs of
Ayala
> > Alabang or Corinthian Gardens Quezon city. They gotta be realistic!
> Are you suggesting the govt. just shoot them?
Genocide? Horrors! How 'bout euthanasia?
> You cannot just throw them out, that is a fact. It has to be done
> properly and it has been done. They were removed to reclaimed lands,
> that is fine, but you know that they would move to where they can make a
> living.
Why not give them cars, as someone suggested?
> The whole country is actually suffering not because of them, but because
> the roads are small and could not take the beating of real big semi's.
> Uhhh... I don't know the proper term for Ozzies on this.
Lorry. Lorryski to the Pollack-Ozzies.
> There is a solution that would make everyone happy.
Genocide? Horrors! How 'bout euthanasia?
This will also give a big boost to our fledgeling enterprise.
TANSONG KABAONG WITH FREEDOM FRIES, LLC
By:
DSP, Junior Partner
Dirty Sick Pig
You will not bring up the subject of cars for squatters if you don't want
them to have cars, ok, stupid? You would have mentioned skates, bikes,
mopeds, tricycles, dog sleds, etc. But you said, CAR. That is why you are
stupid.
Renowl
Dirty Sick Pig
> whatever pig you are soo juvi. its like talking to a kid. what a waste of
time
suck my u-renowl-a
Sylvia Knörr
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmale.Com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Sabi ni "Renowl" <ren...@aol.com>:
> > you really think they wont return to squatting?
> ----------------
> With the lacking in law enforcement, they probably would. I pity the land
> owner of the squatted land.
I just read a story of people in a barangay called "Magsaysay" in Tondo.
They say that there have been no land owners so far when the first squatters
arrived,, because they dwelled on river banks, swampy land, waste dumps etc,
so they stole the land from nobody.
If this is true, it is problematic to expel them from their homes just
because TODAY the land is needed for more lucrative purposes.
Pristeen Garbage Dump Piggy
tansong tumbaga
that from the start. There were land owners then too, but those are
arrable land and MAnila was so swampy, you can grow rice only (and the
traditional swamp plant life like nila, or indigo bushes of wich the
word May-nila(d) came from).
Not just Magsaysay.
Anyway, when I was a kid, squatting was actually encouraged by some land
owners because they could not find any use for the swampy land, they
actually collect rent. Of course as time goes on population grew and
land became expensive, the swamps became garbage dumps. Vermin is all
over, the 70s it is bad, then it got even worse.
This is what is bad in the Philippines, idle lands just don't sit idle,
someone would always come in to ask if they could build a temporary
shelter for their son or whatever, the land owner agrees for a fee then
he discovers more than one person would occupy it, then some would even
sublet the site and so on and so on...
This also happen outside of Manila, it gets out of hand if you let it
happen, in Manila, people let it happen for many generations. Now, you
cannot control that and throw people out. You just can't. Some can
actually produce paperwork to show a lifetime lease, believe it or not,
written before Americans have arrived.
Since I am a Manila boy and have criss-crossed the city, I have met a
guy who could produce such document of rental, in Santa Ana, in Tondo
and so on.