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Marko Rauhamaa

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Oct 24, 2010, 2:26:18 AM10/24/10
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Paul Bartlett <bart...@panix.com>:

> "My apology if this has been addressed before. I tried to search the
> [lernu!] forums but did not come up with quite what I was looking for.
> Recently I had to rebuild my Windows XP system. In the process I lost
> all of the special TrueType fonts I had downloaded from here and
> there. I had several "SudEuro" fonts (Courier SudEuro, Bookman
> SudEuro, Arial SudEuro, and Times New Roman SudEuro) which have the
> twelve Esperanto letters in the standard Latin-3 positions, ideal for
> typing E-o text in many word processors. Unfortunately I cannot find a
> site for them to download. (The versions I had were free.) A search
> seemed to come up with one site in Italy which might have them, but it
> required a login which I do not have. Does anyone know of a source for
> such TrueType fonts? Thanks very much."

Latin-3 was ideal in the 90's, but nowadays the operating systems have
native support for Esperanto (in the form of Unicode) and you shouldn't
need any special Esperanto fonts.

Your problem, then, is those documents you already have in Latin-3. You
will need a way to convert them into native Unicode. I don't know what
the handiest way to accomplish that is in Windows XP or your word
processor. I'm guessing you should be able to use the normal "replace"
function: copy and paste the Latin-3 letter (which probably has a weird
shape) into the replace dialog and type in the replacement letter
directly.

What's remaining is a way to type Esperanto letters directly. I have
heard people have been successfully using the program "Ek" for that
purpose on Windows.


Marko

Klivo Lendon

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Oct 24, 2010, 4:24:31 AM10/24/10
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On 10月24日, 午後3:26, Marko Rauhamaa <ma...@pacujo.net> wrote:
> Paul Bartlett <bartl...@panix.com>:

>
> > "My apology if this has been addressed before. I tried to search the
> > [lernu!] forums but did not come up with quite what I was looking for.
> > Recently I had to rebuild my Windows XP system. In the process I lost
> > all of the special TrueType fonts I had downloaded from here and
> > there. I had several "SudEuro" fonts (Courier SudEuro, Bookman
> > SudEuro, Arial SudEuro, and Times New Roman SudEuro) which have the
> > twelve Esperanto letters in the standard Latin-3 positions, ideal for
> > typing E-o text in many word processors. Unfortunately I cannot find a
> > site for them to download. (The versions I had were free.) A search
> > seemed to come up with one site in Italy which might have them, but it
> > required a login which I do not have. Does anyone know of a source for
> > such TrueType fonts? Thanks very much."
>
> Latin-3 was ideal in the 90's, but nowadays the operating systems have
> native support for Esperanto (in the form of Unicode) and you shouldn't
> need any special Esperanto fonts.
>
> Your problem, then, is those documents you already have in Latin-3. You
> will need a way to convert them into native Unicode. I don't know what
> the handiest way to accomplish that is in Windows XP or your word
> processor.

For converting plain text files from Latin 3 to Unicode, try Simredo:

http://purl.oclc.org/net/klivo/simredoeng
http://www012.upp.so-net.ne.jp/klivo/simredo/conversion.htm

Klivo

garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk

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Oct 24, 2010, 6:29:27 AM10/24/10
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Klivo Lendon <ind...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 10月24日, 午後3:26, Marko Rauhamaa <ma...@pacujo.net> wrote:
>> Paul Bartlett <bartl...@panix.com>:
>>
...

> > > all of the special TrueType fonts I had downloaded from here and
>> > there. I had several "SudEuro" fonts (Courier SudEuro, Bookman
>> > SudEuro, Arial SudEuro, and Times New Roman SudEuro) which have the
>> > twelve Esperanto letters in the standard Latin-3 positions, ideal for

...



> For converting plain text files from Latin 3 to Unicode, try Simredo:
>
> http://purl.oclc.org/net/klivo/simredoeng
> http://www012.upp.so-net.ne.jp/klivo/simredo/conversion.htm
>

I have a feeling (based on the description) that the files are in fact
not in Latin-3, but in Unicode (especially when written in modern[1] MS
Word), with _some of the_ Latin-1 characters _looking like_ Esperanto
letters, when displayed with those lost ttf fonts.

>
>> I'm guessing you should be able to use the normal "replace"
>> function: copy and paste the Latin-3 letter (which probably has a weird
>> shape) into the replace dialog and type in the replacement letter
>> directly.
>>

That will work. Ahh, the joys of sed(1) where it could be done in a
one-line (though I prefer python for such tasks nowadays).

[1] "modern" as in "a decade or so old"

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Dario Rodriguez

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Oct 24, 2010, 11:39:10 AM10/24/10
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Mi sendis al Bartlett rekte kelkajn esperantajn litertiparojn "latin-3", ĉar
li ĝuste petis tion. Kompreneble mi klarigis ke nuntempe oni nur uzas
Unikodon UTF-8. Mi skribis al li en simpla Esperanto ĉar mia angla estas ege
malbona:

Estimata Bartlett: Mi ne bone konas la anglan lingvon.

Mi sendas al vi kelkajn litertipojn "latin-3".

Sed nuntempe por Esperanto oni uzas nur "Unicode UTF-8". Nun chiuj modernaj
litertipoj estas lau Unicode UTF-8 kaj entenas la literojn de Esperanto
(Ariel, Times New Roman, Courier ...)

Por tajpi literojn de Esperanto lau Unicode UTF-8 estas utila la programo
EK, nur por Windows:
http://www.esperanto.mv.ru/Ek/index.html

En komputiloj Mac la sistemo permesas uzi rekte literojn de Esperanto -
Unicode UTF-8.

Ankau same en sistemoj Linux.

Dario

(se iu volas, traduku anglen por Bartlett)


Marko Rauhamaa

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Oct 24, 2010, 2:35:29 PM10/24/10
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"Dario Rodriguez" <kontrauspama...@spamo.ne>:

> Sed nuntempe por Esperanto oni uzas nur "Unicode UTF-8".

Modernaj komputilsistemoj uzas unikodon por ĉiuj lingvoj. Sed ne estas
vere, ke ili uzas la UTF-8-rekodadon; ekzemple Windows uzas la
UTF-16-rekodadon preskaŭ ĉie.

> Nun chiuj modernaj litertipoj estas lau Unicode UTF-8 kaj entenas la
> literojn de Esperanto (Ariel, Times New Roman, Courier ...)

UTF-8 tute ne koncernas tiparojn.

> Por tajpi literojn de Esperanto lau Unicode UTF-8

UTF-8 tute ne koncernas tajpadon.

> En komputiloj Mac la sistemo permesas uzi rekte literojn de Esperanto -
> Unicode UTF-8.

Mac-komputiloj (OS X) uzas la UTF-16-rekodadon.

> Ankau same en sistemoj Linux.

Jes, UTF-8 estas la efektiva normo en Linux-sistemoj.

Mi klarigu plu: unikodo estas normo, kiu celas asigni po natura nombro
por ĉiu signo uzata en tekstoj. Aktuale unikodo kovras pli ol 100 000
signojn. Por reprezenti arbitran unikodan nombron oni bezonas 17 bitojn.
Tamen 17 bitoj estas tre maloportuna unuo por komputilsistemoj, kiuj
fundamente baziĝas sur okbitajn aŭ deksesbitajn unuojn. Tial oni difinis
rekodajn normojn, metodojn, per kiuj oni povas konverti 17-bitan nombron
en la oportunajn unuojn kaj reen. La ĉefaj inter ili estas UTF-8 kaj
UTF-16.


Marko

AV3

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Oct 24, 2010, 4:01:41 PM10/24/10
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On Oct/24/2010 2:3529 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> "Dario Rodriguez"<kontrauspama...@spamo.ne>:
>
>> Sed nuntempe por Esperanto oni uzas nur "Unicode UTF-8".
>
> Modernaj komputilsistemoj uzas unikodon por ĉiuj lingvoj. Sed ne estas
> vere, ke ili uzas la UTF-8-rekodadon; ekzemple Windows uzas la
> UTF-16-rekodadon preskaŭ ĉie.
>
>> Nun chiuj modernaj litertipoj estas lau Unicode UTF-8 kaj entenas la
>> literojn de Esperanto (Ariel, Times New Roman, Courier ...)
>
> UTF-8 tute ne koncernas tiparojn.
>

Unikodo antaŭsupozas, ke iu tiparo enhavas karaktrojn por diversaj
literoj kaj alfabetoj. Dekomence, multaj tiparoj enhavis nur karaktrojn
por malnova Latin 1, t. e., ne enhavis karaktrojn por niaj supersignitaj
literoj. Mi ne scias, ĉu pliampleksigo de karaktraroj estas vaste
efektivigita, sed sendube estas hodiaŭ multe da tiparoj entenantaj niajn
supersignitajn literojn ol dekomence.


>> ...
>


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