Kaprice

[indrik...@gmail.com]

Mi guglis la vortojn 'elhana', 'esperanto' kaj 'jewish'. Kaj trovis:

http://www.simonvarwell.co.uk/2011/10/why-im-learning-esperanto/

Lia sinteno pri Esperanto rilatas al lia sinteno pri Judoj.

Klivo

[Elhana]

indrik...@gmail.com:

> Lia sinteno pri Esperanto rilatas al lia sinteno pri Judoj.

For more than a century the entire world was sure that daddy Z was a Jew. But apparently you know some Esperanto-truth? Will you share his true nationality with us?

[indrik...@gmail.com]

2013年2月10日日曜日 13時38分32秒 UTC+9 Elhana:

> For more than a century the entire world was sure that
> daddy Z was a Jew. But apparently you know some
> Esperanto-truth? Will you share his true nationality with us?

Pardonon, sed mi preferas diskuti vian rasismon.

"The rest of world will not cry and will be happy without that ugly jewish
cadaver which your nation tries to foist on it. "
Elhana, June 4th, 2012
http://www.simonvarwell.co.uk/2011/10/why-im-learning-esperanto/

"Do you understand that you're not in position to demand from people
to rape their speech in order to satisfy mad fantasies of a certain
mad Jew and a cult of his followers?"
Elhana, January 19th, 2013
soc.culture.esperanto

"GIVE US YOUR MONEY, and we'll imitate some kind of (low-cost)
activity for you. Form the line to be fleeced, movadans, obey your
*nationality censored* masters!"
Elhana, January 17th, 2013
soc.culture.esperanto

Komenton?

Klivo

[indrik...@gmail.com]

2013年2月10日日曜日 14時19分34秒 UTC+9 indrik...@gmail.com:
> 2013年2月10日日曜日 13時38分32秒 UTC+9 Elhana:

Mi decidis traduki, por ke ĉiuj vidu la raton en la kaptilo.

> "The rest of world will not cry and will be happy without that ugly jewish
> cadaver which your nation tries to foist on it. "
> Elhana, June 4th, 2012
> http://www.simonvarwell.co.uk/2011/10/why-im-learning-esperanto/

[La restaĵo de la mondo ne ploros kaj ĝojos sen tiu malbela juda
kadavro kiun via nacio provadas puŝaĉi al ĝi.]

> "Do you understand that you're not in position to demand from people
> to rape their speech in order to satisfy mad fantasies of a certain
> mad Jew and a cult of his followers?"
> Elhana, January 19th, 2013
> soc.culture.esperanto

[Ĉu vi komprenas ke vi ne rajtas postuli ke homoj perfortu sian parolon
por realigi la frenezajn fantaziojn de iu freneza Judo kaj lia kulto de
disĉiploj?]

> "GIVE US YOUR MONEY, and we'll imitate some kind of (low-cost)
> activity for you. Form the line to be fleeced, movadans, obey your
> *nationality censored* masters!"
> Elhana, January 17th, 2013
> soc.culture.esperanto

[DONU AL NI VIAN MONON, kaj ni aranĝos ian malmultekostan eventon
por vi. Viciĝu por esti trompitaj, movadanoj. Obeu viajn *nacieco forstrekita*
mastrojn.]

Kompreneble, la forstrekita nacieco estas 'Juda'.

Klivo

[Oto Tekihaki]

Jes, vi pravas. Estas tre interesa, precipe la lasta dialogo. Simon Varwell trafas ĝuste la kapon de la najlo...Krome, estas tie tre interesaj fotoj kaj aliaj interesaj ligiloj. Dankon.

Oto Tekihaki

[Harri Laine]

Klivo skribis, 10.2.2013 7:43 +0200:

> Mi decidis traduki, por ke ĉiuj vidu la raton en la kaptilo.

Dankon, Klivo. Ni havas interesan rataĉon.

Ankaŭ mi serĉetis kun kelkaj rilataj vortoj. Ĉefe troviĝas
liaj deliraĵoj ĉi tie en SCE, sed ankaŭ aliloke li verŝis
pison el sia kapo. Fine de unu trovo-listo kun elhanaĵoj.
Guglo gvidis min al ĉi tiu paĝo

www.google.com/explanation

Estas jam pruvite, ke elhana konas kelkajn lingvosciencajn
terminojn, sed malĝuste komprenas tiujn; ke li komprenas
Esperanton, sed ne sufiĉe por fari sencohavajn observojn pri
ĝi kaj pri la kvalito de reala tiulingva teksto; ke li
havas nur unu manion kaj ne kapablas konversacii pri io ajn
ekster "sia fako"; kaj ke li estas fia rasisto.

Elhana ŝajnas kredi sin nobla batalanto aganta por savi
la mondon de minaca komploto kaj konspiro. Nun estas multe
pli probable, ke li trovos konspiranton pli facile en la
plej proksima spegulo. Fino.

Harri

[Elhana]

Repeat after me: Esperanto was created by a Jewish megalomaniac.
That is not racism, that is a fact.

I understand that Esperantists are trying to divert attention from such sensitive topics as a nationality of the creator of their language; to conceal the original Zamenhof's writings showing his insanity; but it is in vain.

[indrik...@gmail.com]

2013年2月11日月曜日 9時14分30秒 UTC+9 Elhana:

> Repeat after me: Esperanto was created by a Jewish megalomaniac.
> That is not racism, that is a fact.
> I understand that Esperantists are trying to divert attention from
> such sensitive topics as a nationality of the creator of their language;

Everybody knows that Zamenhof was Jewish:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._L._Zamenhof
http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._L._Zamenhof

And now everybody knows that Elhana is a little antisemitic rat.

Klivo

[Sergio]

On Monday, February 11, 2013 7:42:27 AM UTC+7, indrik...@gmail.com wrote:
> 2013年2月11日月曜日 9時14分30秒 UTC+9 Elhana:
[...]

>> I understand that Esperantists are trying to divert attention from
>> such sensitive topics as a nationality of the creator of their
>> language;

> Everybody knows that Zamenhof was Jewish:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._L._Zamenhof
> http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._L._Zamenhof

Vi povus aldoni la ruslingvan Vikipedion:

,----
| Лю́двик Ла́зарь За́менгоф, или Лазарь Маркович Заменгоф (идиш
| לײזער זאַמענהאָף — Лейзер Лейви Заменгоф; польск. Ludwik Lejzer
| Zamenhof; эспер. Ludoviko Lazaro Zamenhof; 15 декабря 1859 года,
| Белосток — 14 апреля 1917 года, Варшава) — врач и лингвист
| еврейского происхождения, известен как создатель эсперанто ...
`----
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%84,_%D0%9B%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C

Aliflanke, oni eble devas sin demandi, kial ni ĝis nun ne scias ion
fidindan pri "such sensitive topics as a? nationality of" Elhana ...
La pseŭdonimo sonas tre suspektinde por la orelo de rusa naciisto.

--
Sergio

[Elhana]

Harri Laine:

> Estas jam pruvite, ke elhana konas kelkajn lingvosciencajn
> terminojn, sed malĝuste komprenas tiujn;

Which terms I use improperly?

> sed ne sufiĉe por fari sencohavajn observojn pri
> ĝi kaj pri la kvalito de reala tiulingva teksto;

I know it good enough to give objective criticism of its graphics, grammar, phonetics and vocabulary. The classic Esperanto-sect rebuttal 'learn it first' won't work on me.

All translated texts which I have read was very, very bad. Esperanto literature leaves an impression of having read some student translation made for a bootleg edition by some 3rd grade editorial. Translator should work with text, which no esperantist was doing so far.

[indrik...@gmail.com]

2013年2月11日月曜日 12時24分11秒 UTC+9 Elhana blustered:

>
> I know it good enough to give objective criticism of its graphics,
> grammar, phonetics and vocabulary.

No, you don't. All of your criticism has missed the mark.

Like a typical dilettant linguist you criticised the accusative case,
and challenged us to "produce just a couple of sentences which
would differ in its sense in any way if there was no accusative ending".
I produced several, and you did not respond.

Your dishonest assertion that Esperanto is "definitely harder to
pronounce for Russians than English is" was soundly refuted by
Russians.

When I challenged your assertion that Esperanto has "detailed and
rigid rules about articles", you did not respond.

Not a very good record, trollboy.

> The classic Esperanto-sect rebuttal 'learn it first' won't work on me.

Are you aware that this is a public debate? My goal has never been to
persuade you of anything.

> All translated texts which I have read was very, very bad.

You don't say!

Klivo

[indrik...@gmail.com]

I said:
> When I challenged your assertion that Esperanto has "detailed and
> rigid rules about articles", you did not respond.

After review, I notice that you did make an attempt. Still, you quickly
dropped the topic. I haven't seen those 42 rules.

Klivo

[Elhana]

indrik...@gmail.com:

> Like a typical dilettant linguist you criticised the accusative case,
> and challenged us to "produce just a couple of sentences which
> would differ in its sense in any way if there was no accusative ending".
> I produced several, and you did not respond.

I noticed that the sentences were deliberately put in this way and there are more natural way to build them... like in Russian again, which has the remnants of accusative and does not suffer because of it.

> Your dishonest assertion that Esperanto is "definitely harder to
> pronounce for Russians than English is" was soundly refuted by Russians.

Refuted by whom? The argument was about a phonemic distinction of unstressed vowels, which is the fact: no international language has this quality, only the cadaver called Esperanto.
(As a bilingual speaker of Russian I can have my own stance in that question, either way.)

> When I challenged your assertion that Esperanto has "detailed and
> rigid rules about articles", you did not respond.

I counted their exact number. What else you want to hear? For me to cite them entirely here?

That's you trolling here, as usual.

[indrik...@gmail.com]

2013年2月11日月曜日 19時15分35秒 UTC+9 Elhana:

> indrik...@gmail.com:
>
> > Like a typical dilettant linguist you criticised the accusative case,
> > and challenged us to "produce just a couple of sentences which
> > would differ in its sense in any way if there was no accusative ending".
> > I produced several, and you did not respond.
>
> I noticed that the sentences were deliberately put in this way and there
> are more natural way to build them...

You noticed?

Whatever argument you thought of, I just thought of a better one.
Refute that!! :-) :-)

> > Your dishonest assertion that Esperanto is "definitely harder to
> > pronounce for Russians than English is" was soundly refuted by Russians.
>
> Refuted by whom?

Sergio kaj Nikolao.

> The argument was about a phonemic distinction of unstressed vowels,
> which is the fact: no international language has this quality,

"Some languages, such as Finnish, Hindi, and classical Spanish, are claimed to lack
vowel reduction."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_reduction

"Most languages, such as Finnish and Spanish, do not have unstressed vowel reduction;"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_(linguistics)

"Spanish and its ancestor Latin do not have vowel reduction."
http://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/2447/are-there-languages-without-vowel-reduction

> only the cadaver called Esperanto.

and Spanish.

> > When I challenged your assertion that Esperanto has "detailed and
> > rigid rules about articles", you did not respond.
>
> I counted their exact number. What else you want to hear?
> For me to cite them entirely here?

OK then, we'll just take your word for it. :-) :-)

Klivo

[Elhana]

indrik...@gmail.com:

> Sergio kaj Nikolao.

Pokrovsky is a westernist, a sort of person who will do anything to declare the superiority of anything euroatlantic over everything Russian. In this way, the objective difficulties are neglected by him: Esperanto is definitely western, so can have no difficulties for anyone.

Mikhailenko is just a (officially diagnosed) madman, so one need to filter his words carefully.

Because we haven't heard unbiased opinions, the question remains open.

> "Most languages ... do not have unstressed vowel reduction;"

Most language in the world are spoken less than 100 people, probably.
Spanish, Italian and similar languages were created artificially by simple-minded people who held naive mechanical beliefs. The dialects from which those languages were built have reductions. One need to say, the desire to rape phonetics for mechanic view of a language beauty, worked negatively for their role of international language, which is (and was) none.

[indrik...@gmail.com]

2013年2月12日火曜日 5時28分57秒 UTC+9 Elhana:

>
> Pokrovsky is a westernist, a sort of person who will do anything to declare
> the superiority of anything euroatlantic over everything Russian.

"Why would someone learn a retardedly complex language like German, Arabic
or Russian instead of learning English?"
Elhana 2012/07/16
http://www.mondeto.com/1/post/2011/09/immediate-and-lasting-advantages-of-early-esperanto-1-brain-building.html

> In this way, the objective difficulties are neglected by him:

Too bad you were unable to demonstrate that.

> > "Most languages ... do not have unstressed vowel reduction;"
> Most language in the world are spoken less than 100 people, probably.

"Hispanophones are estimated at between 450 and 500 million globally, making
Spanish the second most spoken language in terms of native speakers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanophone

> Spanish, Italian and similar languages were created artificially by simple-minded
> people who held naive mechanical beliefs.

Source? Evidence?

> One need to say, the desire to rape phonetics for mechanic view of a language beauty,
> worked negatively for their role of international language, which is (and was) none.

"Hispanophones are estimated at between 450 and 500 million globally, making
Spanish the second most spoken language in terms of native speakers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanophone

Klivo

[Elhana]

indrik...@gmail.com:

> "Why would someone learn a retardedly complex language like German, Arabic
> or Russian instead of learning English?"

I'm being realistic about the international qualities of my native languages.
Are _you_ realistic about your fetish?

> "Hispanophones are estimated at between 450 and 500 million globally, making
> Spanish the second most spoken language in terms of native speakers."

And how many people use it as a second language? Can everyone in Brazil speak Spanish, for example? It failed to congeal even local Hibernian languages and haven't spread past former Spanish colonies.

[indrik...@gmail.com]

2013年2月12日火曜日 19時37分57秒 UTC+9 Elhana:
> indrik...@gmail.com:

> > Spanish the second most spoken language in terms of native speakers."
>
> And how many people use it as a second language? Can everyone in Brazil
> speak Spanish, for example? It failed to congeal even local Hibernian languages
> and haven't spread past former Spanish colonies.

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=hibernian

Klivo

[Oto Tekihaki]

Ĉu oni povus lin nomi krokodilo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjuXemQ-gR8

> --

> Sergio

Oto