[Esperanto] ignoroj en Esperanto / neglects in Esperanto, posted in soc.culture.soviet

[Dina Torok]

Sorry about the long quotes to follow. I do not know what has been posted
in this newsgroup.

In Article: 17872 of soc.culture.soviet chun...@leland.Stanford.EDU
(Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>
> Ankorau' malmulte da homoj lernas Esperanton. Sed kredeble,
> almenau' iuj legantoj de c^i tiu diskut-grupo sciias Esperanton.
> Lau' via kulturoj, c^u vi pensas, ke c^i tiuj estas ignoro en Esperanto:
>
> - La sendistingo inter "vi unu" kaj "vi multaj" (kiel inter "mi" kaj "ni").
> - La esto de "-in" sed neesto de tiu por viroj (iuj proponas "-ic^").
>
> Mi pensas, ke ambau' estas ignoroj. Mi ne povas akcepti la duan.
>
> Bonvolu sendu respondoj al "soc.culture.esperanto".
>
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> Still not may people learn Esperanto. But believably,
> at least some readers of this newsgroup knows Esperanto. According to
> you(plural)r culutre, do you think, that these are neglects in Esperanto:
>
> - The indistinction between "you one" and "you many" (as in "I" and "we).
> - The existance of "-in" but nonexistance of one for male (some propose "ic^").
>
> I think, that both are neglects. I cannot accept the second.
>
> Please send replies to "soc.culture.esperanto".
>
> G^ONG C^i-jau' / Daniel Chung

I used to be interested in Esperanto, but never learned it. Luckily, it is
pretty easily understandable in written form. Even more luckily, Daniel
translated into English. ;)

I agree that the first is "a neglect". Even some of us who are not from the
South catch ourselves saying y'all or you-all from time to time. Although who's to say that it's not a neglect(ful thing) to not make a distinction between
singular, plural (two people), and plural (more than two), as is done in
certain languages (of course i can't remember which), rather than only between
singular and plural (two or more)?

As for the second, can you please explain? What is "-in"? What
type of ending????

Please e-mail or post in English. Thanks.

--dina

[Shawn Clayton Knight]

On 12-Apr-93 in re: [Esperanto] ignoroj en ..

user Dina To...@bach.udel.edu writes:
>I agree that the first is "a neglect". Even some of us who are not from the
>South catch ourselves saying y'all or you-all from time to time.
Although who's
> to say that it's not a neglect(ful thing) to not make a distinction between
>singular, plural (two people), and plural (more than two), as is done in
>certain languages (of course i can't remember which), rather than only between
>singular and plural (two or more)?

(Esperanto sekvas.)

Ancient Egyptian was the worst. It has, if I recall, 4 forms of "you":
masculine singular, feminine singular, dual, and plural. Yes, "you" was
a different word depending on gender! Now think how wonderfully easy
English and Esperanto are by comparison.

Also remember that for the plural "you", in Pittsburgh we often say "yinz"!

La antikva egipta estis la plej malbona. La egipta havas, se mi
memoras, 4 formoj da "vi": vira singulara, ina singulara, duala, kaj
plurala. Ja, "vi" estis malsama vorto, laux genro! Nun, pensu kiel la
angla kaj la esperanta kompare estas mirinde facilaj.

Ankaux memoru, ke por la plurala "vi", en Pittsburgh oni ofte diras "yinz"!

-shawn
Cxu Pittsburghanoj estas stultaj? Ne, nur strangaj. :-)