BEAUTIFUL QUEEN NEFERTARI (a real realistic portrait)
THE MIGHTY KUSH
Yes yes, we have here a realistic portrait of Queen Nefertari created by
real ancient Egyptians, and painted on the real wall of the real tomb of
Nefertari. Real intertesting.
http://www.tulane.edu/lester/text/Ancient.World/Egypt/Egypt79.html
For this is no reconstructed depiction of what this black queen looked
like. A reconstruction is not needed. This African woman was dark brown.
KUSH
Ahmed Mohammed Wagih
Keep on dreaming.. you don't have to pay anything just don't snore:)
Ahmed WAGIH
THE MIGHTY KUSH (rhd...@psu.edu) wrote:
: Yes yes, we have here a realistic portrait of Queen Nefertari created by
Xina
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>
>Yes yes, we have here a realistic portrait of Queen Nefertari created by
>real ancient Egyptians, and painted on the real wall of the real tomb of
>Nefertari. Real intertesting.
>
>http://www.tulane.edu/lester/text/Ancient.World/Egypt/Egypt79.html
>
>For this is no reconstructed depiction of what this black queen looked
>like. A reconstruction is not needed. This African woman was dark brown.
>
>KUSH
I have a photograph of this painting, taken by a friend. Interestingly
her skin is a dark red, very similar to the colour of many Native
americans. However I am NOT confused in my thinking enough to beleive
that Egypt was founded by a boatload of wayward Cheyenne. I have other
photos from the Getty Museum and her skin is almost golden.....which are
we to believe? ....what difference does any of this make? If I am not
mistaken the Egyptians did a lot of colour symbology in thier tomb
paintings, and in the Tombs of members of the royal household in
particular, even the medu (hieroglyps) were specific and perscribed
colours. Are we to also assume that Osiris (Asaur) was literally green?
What difference does any of this make? Not alot, the ancient Egyptian
civilization is no more...we are basically left with ruins to reconstruct
what was, but I *still* fail to see what difference skin colour had in
the founding of Egypt. Makes no difference to me. I have recreated
*most* of the paintings from that tomb on a wall in my house (sure I have
jpgs) and YES some of the people in those recreations look *gasp*
african....so?!?
For the sake of arguement lets say 'Ok, Kushy, Nefertari was black,
..now what?" Egypt was a great civilisation, ok...so...now what....it
was founded by blacks....ok now what?" How does this change anything?
Does it then give license to put out some really blatant afrocentric
inacurracies (admit it, there are really far fetched ones, Im not talking
about the well researched material) as well as the blatantly predjudicial
eurocentric veiwpoints from whatever time period? How do you want to
handle this now?
If someone told me that a seperate 'white' civilisation out of nowhere
founded Egypt I would be even "less" inclined to believe that..Can't the
ancient Egyptians just be left as ancient Egyptians without getting down
to specifics that really dont play any part in anything that makes any
difference now?
In Ma'at
Xina
Katherine Griffis
realistic portrait)>, 'THE MIGHTY KUSH <rhd...@psu.edu>' wrote:
>this is no reconstructed depiction of what this black queen looked >like.
A reconstruction is not needed. This African woman was dark brown.
MK, we have discussed this more than once, but here goes again:
GET A BOOK: Get Kamierz Michalowski's book,
the ART OF ANCIENT EGYPT. Find this **same**
picture....LOOK AT IT...
I KNOW: it's a **LOT** to ask...but look at it, anyway. Nefertari is shown
*just as she looks in the original panitings in her tomb* --
a light red-pink, such that you can discern her blush separate from her
other skin coloring. She is not Black, or even a red-brown.
She is pink/red, a color the Egyptians call "tube" (sp?).
Now: what does this prove....? That the Tulane site is *altered*, as we
have said over and over. Why? I don't know, but this web site is *AWFUL*,
and I will not, nor should you or anyone else, accept it as the "gospel
truth".
Until you learn how to cite properly (BTW: here's a clue from the previous
time -- you want to *add* your comments to a quote? you say this:
"....of the Nile Valley (Negroid peoples - MK)..." ),
use **proper** citations in stating your case, and by that I mean *true and
verifiable* cites that ALL can see and believe, then YOU have no
credibility, as far as I am concerned.
But if you want -- howl in the wind -- I have better things to do, as do
most of us on the NG.
One last comment:
"Egypt had only two neighbors, the desert and the sea, thus an oasis
culture in the truest sense of the word was able to form because of her
seclusion from the rest of the world. Nevertheless, the land of the Nile
did not lead the life of a recluse; at all times she had contact with other
peoples. In the Archaic Period the Egyptian nation already displayed the
character of a land which lay on an intersection, on an isthmus between two
continents. In the 4th millenium BC, three races can be identified: the
small graceful Mediterranean race; a somewhat taller and more robust
Cro-Magnon race, traces of which are found in the rest of North Africa; and
a negroid race, which is not to be confused with true negroes. At the start
of the historic times in the Thinite Period the members of a brachycephalic
race entered the scene. They were numerous, and although insignificant,
are perhaps a tangible indication of the contact with Mesopotamia which can
be authenticated at tis time, and also be observed in artistic influences."
The Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient
Egypt Manfred Lurker and Peter Clayton, 1995.
Beyond this statement, I will have ** NO FURTHER COMMENT** on this
*excuse* for a history lesson, as MK tries to portray...
Katherine Griffis (Greenberg)
Member of the American Research Center in Egypt
Malfouf al-Makboos
>Now: what does this prove....? That the Tulane site is
>*altered*, as we
>have said over and over. Why? I don't know, but this web site
>is *AWFUL*,
>and I will not, nor should you or anyone else, accept it as the
>"gospel truth".
Funny, isn't it, how the Afrocentrist so often accuse
"racist Eurocentric" archaeologists of altering Egyptian art
to "make them look white" (e.g., cutting off noses), and
here they are doing exactly that!
--
Manchester United #1 !!!!!!! Newcastle Sucks!
Nigel Strudwick
gri...@usa.pipeline.com(Katherine Griffis) wrote:
> Now: what does this prove....? That the Tulane site is *altered*, as we
> have said over and over. Why? I don't know, but this web site is *AWFUL*,
> and I will not, nor should you or anyone else, accept it as the "gospel
> truth".
Either the colours have been doctored or there was a major problem with
the scanner...
Also the caption "THE QUEEN PLAYING SENMUT": the game is called Senet.
The only example I know of a Queen playing Senmut is on the graffito in
the so called "dirty grotto" above the temple of Deir el Bahari.
Nigel Strudwick
Xina
>Either the colours have been doctored or there was a major problem with
>the scanner...
>
To tell the truth, I cant recall when I have ever seen this particular
painting look worse than at this particular URL site.
>Also the caption "THE QUEEN PLAYING SENMUT": the game is called Senet.
I noticed that too!
>
>The only example I know of a Queen playing Senmut is on the graffito in
>the so called "dirty grotto" above the temple of Deir el Bahari.
Actually I think the graffiti you refer to has Senmut actually 'playing'
Hastsepsut, doesn't it? (Or is that just my perception?) *evil smile*
>Nigel Strudwick
In Ma'at
Xina
Mike Tittensor
> For this is no reconstructed depiction of what this black queen looked
> like. A reconstruction is not needed. This African woman was dark brown.
This Irish woman had just returned from acquiring a suntan on the beautiful
shores of Galway Bay. I think that we should celebrate her Irish ancestry.
She is of course Eileen Nefertiti Collins of 14 O' Connell Street Dublin and
I think that she's gorgeous.
--
Mike Tittensor (mi...@heridoth.demon.co.uk)