The Law and Cuban cigars
Merengue
There are lots of opinions posted on the 'net about the importing, sale, and
possession of Cuban cigars in the US. I can't put these in the FAQ without
reasonable assurances that the info is correct... :-(
Many of these posts are based on urban legends and rumors. Before we go into
the specific law regarding importation of Cuban products, let's look over an
advisory letter dated June 1, 1995, from the Director of the Office of
Foreign Assets Control of the Department of the Treasury. This letter was
sent to members of the Retail Tobacco Dealers of America, Inc. (Yes, I have
a copy of the original letter for verification)...
"Only persons returning directly from Cuba after a licensed visit there are
permitted to bring Cuban cigars into the United States, provided the
domestic value of such cigars does not exceed 100 U.S. dollars and the
cigars are for that person's personal use and not for resale. Inasmuch as
all other importations of Cuban cigars are illegal, you must assume that all
offers to buy or sell such cigars in the United States involve cigars that
are imported illegally. Contrary to what many people believe, it is illegal
for travelers to bring into the United States Cuban cigars acquired in third
countries (such as Canada, England, or Mexico)."
"It is illegal for U.S. persons to buy, sell, trade, give away, or otherwise
engage in (or offer to engage in) transactions involving illegally-imported
Cuban cigars. The penalties for doing so include, in addition to
confiscation of the cigars, civil fines of up to $50,000 per violation and,
in appropriate cases, criminal prosecution which may result in
imprisonment."
"We recognise that the prohibitions that apply to Cuban cigars may deprive
many consumers of a sought-after product. However, these prohibitions apply
to all goods of Cuban origin and are an important element of the
comprehensive program of economic sanctions against the Cuban government
which have been in place since 1963.These sanctions have had the full
support of the past seven Administrations and were further tightened by
President Clinton in August 1994."
Pretty strong stuff, and pretty clearly worded. :-(
To hear it again in the U.S. Custom's service's own words, read their own
press release at: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/travel/cigars.htm.
Note also that since 1994 it has been illegal for anyone, even foreign
nationals to bring in any quantity of Cuban cigars - even for personal
consumption. (Prior to 1994 foreign nationals were allowed to import cigars
for personal use only. This loophole is now closed.)
RGomez
> "Only persons returning directly from Cuba after a licensed visit there are
> permitted to bring Cuban cigars into the United States, provided the
> domestic value of such cigars does not exceed 100 U.S. dollars and the
> cigars are for that person's personal use and not for resale.
Mis amigos, este es un caso donde Ed trae un copy and paste que dice mas
o menos lo mismo que yo dije ayer, exepto los 100 dolares. Pero a
continuacion veran lo difil que se les hace a mucha gente enteder
asuntos legales y lo facil que es para ellos hacer un arroz con mango de
algo que esta bien claro.
> Contrary to what many people believe, it is illegal
> for travelers to bring into the United States Cuban cigars acquired in > third
> countries (such as Canada, England, or Mexico)."
Exacto. Pero si crees que me has dado cutupe como dicen Uds, no olvides
que la palabra clave aqui es "TRAVELERS", y en la novela de santiaguero
no hay travelers por ningun lado.
> "It is illegal for U.S. persons to buy, sell, trade, give away, or otherwise
> engage in (or offer to engage in) transactions involving illegally-imported
> Cuban cigars.
Aqui otra vez el lenguaje legal tiende a confundir a los que no conocen
la ley. Las palabras clave son "ILLEGALLY IMPORTED" pues cuando Ud
adquiere un cigarro de manera legal (y ya en otro post explique eso) Ud
puede hacer con ese cigarro lo que quiera menos venderlo o usarlo para
promocion.
> The penalties for doing so include, in addition to
> confiscation of the cigars, civil fines of up to $50,000 per violation and,
> in appropriate cases, criminal prosecution which may result in
> imprisonment."
Bueno pues la compania donde trabaja el santiaguero debio de notificar
al dept de estado que ellos tenian conocimiento de una violacion de la
ley por parte de sus empleados. Esto es una obligacion legal que tiene
la compania de ser testigos en corte contra los supervisores del
santiaguero. Y yo voy mas lejos, el santiaguero tiene la obligacion como
testigo de un crimen de reportar el crimen a las autoridades y
testificar en corte en contra de sus supervisores pues el escribio aqui
con lujo de detalles como ocurrio el crimen.
>
> Pretty strong stuff, and pretty clearly worded. :-(
Eso es lo que debiese darte verguenza, que esta tan claro en blanco y
negro en frente de tus ojos y no puedes entenderlo.
Merengue
envuelto en esa discusion. Erraste de nuevo.
Ed Felix
RGomez <gom...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3780BF29...@bellsouth.net...
> Merengue wrote:
>
> > "Only persons returning directly from Cuba after a licensed visit there
are
> > permitted to bring Cuban cigars into the United States, provided the
> > domestic value of such cigars does not exceed 100 U.S. dollars and the
> > cigars are for that person's personal use and not for resale.
>
> Mis amigos, este es un caso donde Ed trae un copy and paste que dice mas
> o menos lo mismo que yo dije ayer, exepto los 100 dolares. Pero a
> continuacion veran lo difil que se les hace a mucha gente enteder
> asuntos legales y lo facil que es para ellos hacer un arroz con mango de
> algo que esta bien claro...............
Santiaguero.
RGomez <gom...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Exacto. Pero si crees que me has dado cutupe como dicen Uds, no
olvides
> que la palabra clave aqui es "TRAVELERS", y en la novela de
santiaguero
> no hay travelers por ningun lado.
Usted muy claro dijo que no era legal el regalar cigarros cubanos.
Claramente es ilegal, ya que solo alguien en un viaje sancionado por el
Departamento de Estado los puede importar a USA. Y a mi me parece que
aquellos cigarros fueron comprados en Canada y introducidos a USA
ilegalmente. Pero no! Eso no era suficiente para usted. Usted tenia
que meter la pata y quererse hacer el 'sabelo-todo'.
> > "It is illegal for U.S. persons to buy, sell, trade, give away, or
otherwise
> > engage in (or offer to engage in) transactions involving illegally-
imported
> > Cuban cigars.
>
> Aqui otra vez el lenguaje legal tiende a confundir a los que no
conocen
> la ley. Las palabras clave son "ILLEGALLY IMPORTED" pues cuando Ud
> adquiere un cigarro de manera legal (y ya en otro post explique eso)
Ud
> puede hacer con ese cigarro lo que quiera menos venderlo o usarlo para
> promocion.
Es que la manera legal de adquirir un producto cubano es casi imposible
de ejercerla. Asi que se puede asumir que si usted no tiene un permiso
del Estado esta cometiendo un acto ilegal.
> Bueno pues la compania donde trabaja el santiaguero debio de notificar
> al dept de estado que ellos tenian conocimiento de una violacion de la
> ley por parte de sus empleados. Esto es una obligacion legal que tiene
> la compania de ser testigos en corte contra los supervisores del
> santiaguero. Y yo voy mas lejos, el santiaguero tiene la obligacion
como
> testigo de un crimen de reportar el crimen a las autoridades y
> testificar en corte en contra de sus supervisores pues el escribio
aqui
> con lujo de detalles como ocurrio el crimen.
Te fuiste lejos si. Ridiculamente demasiado lejos ya que el
departamento legal se encargo de esa gente.
Es que tu no encuentras nada mas que hacer que escribir baba por en el
NG?
Santiaguero.
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