Apparently, this overall weakness of the Czechs and their lack of memory
and dignity (values) can be the reason why they are adoring all their
"naked little emperors" wich happen to be given power in their little
protectorate - including the psychologically interesting example of that
little guy Vasek (?) who always entertains and keeps the world
updated about "political" diagnoses of his somewhat overblown Oedipus
complex, "feelings," Czecho-phobia (oh, he is quite amusing, for
example, when he keeps reassuring us about "the infantility of the Czech
pub-lic"; do you say a typical case of "projection"?) ... In short, no people
are faithful so much to betraying themselves and, so, to their own
collaborators as are these good Czechs. Certainly, without the Czechs,
Europe would appear to be too boring and too serious a place. Can you think of
any nation that would worship a clown, one of that type once invented by Edgar
Poe, and seated him na "Male Strane" (that can be translated as a
little seat in that little room called "OO") or quite close to it, for that
matter anyway ... Do you know his favorite joke? Well, the Czechs are
collectively guilty till the end of times because in World War II they
happened to be on the victorious side. Too bad, too bad for them ... And,
the Czechs seem to degenerate even further because whoever comes from that
little lovely country is telling me that the Czech cannot even joke any
more -becoming a joke themselves.
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J.
> >Well, the Czechs are
> >collectively guilty till the end of times because in World War II they
> >the Czechs seem to degenerate even further because whoever comes from that
> >little lovely country is telling me that the Czech cannot even joke any
> >more -becoming a joke themselves.
> Is Tom Matys an annonymous or what :-))))))))))) ??????
> he souds like a proud & wise Slovak-boy :-))))))
> J.
HAVE YOU MIXED UP YOUR MORNING PILLS AGAIN MY FRIEND ?
ONE THING YOU FORGOT TO MENTION IS THAT CZECHS ARE QUITE TOLERANT OF ANY
STUPIDITY AND WILL IN FACT TREAT YOU AS A HUMAN BEING WITH ALL YOUR OPINIONS FOR
AS LONG AS YOU REMAIN NON-VIOLENT. AND AFTER THAT, OUR TAX DOLLARS WILL PAY FOR
YOUR CELL AND MEDICATION. WHAT'S THE STREET PRICE OF CRACK THESE DAYS?
Czechs are generally tolerant of stupidity (you're lucky) but they are much
less tolerant of shouting and raving psychopaths (your luck might end there).
Frank Bures, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Toronto, ON
fbu...@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
CompuServe:71324,1515
Frank...@compuserve.com
Is this why you tolerate me?
Or perhaps you don't, anymore..
(you're lucky) but they are much
> less tolerant of shouting and raving psychopaths (your luck might end there).
I don't shout, anymore.
I know I did when I first came on,
but I don't anymore.
Frank,
this NG seems to have a logic, ethics and morality quite unlike what one
would expect from its name. I certainly do not consider it even a remote
representative of the CZ-SK culture just as one doesn't judge blacks by the
LA riots or by O.J. Thus, one can never be sure what is meant as an
irony, attack, insult etc. as opposed to common-sense based comment here.
In that light, I hope you use the word 'your' and 'yours' without referring
to me. My CAPS might be considered shouting but I hope my luck extends to
that as well in this particular case.
The Jewish and German NGs have, understandably, quite a few of these
'incorrectly-educated inteligentsia' and the only way to deal with them is
to ignore them if they don't get first few times.
regards,
vc lant
>V C Lant (vcla...@interserv.com) wrote:
>Pane V O Lant, tahle newsgroup je dominovana nekolika arogantnimi jednotliv-
>ci, kteri si o sobe zjevne mysli ze sezrali veskerou moudrost a kdyz se na-
>hodne nekdo na koho se (podle nich) uz nedostalo tu ozve s jakoukoliv seri-
>ozni pripominkou, tak se na nej vrhnou jako smecka rabidnich coklu.
>Socialni darwinismus, inner city style. Did you see "Andersonville" on TBS?
>And you're right. THEY CAN'T REALLY HURT YOU! v ,
>All you need to do is ignore them. Or use the kill file (vrazedny soubor :-)
>That's all you need.
Kolik postu budete dostavat kdyz vsichni rabidni cokli budou v killfile? To
bude uplne ticho ... a mir ... a jednota nazoru ... pod vedenim strany ...
Rosta
>And, never mind Bures and his hearing aid,
>... YOU CAN SCREAM ALL YOU WANT!!!
>--
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Mas-li k dispozici pouze kladivo, pripada ti kdeco jako hrebik ... |
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
I really don't want to belabor this point any further, but there you go
again, in your typical way. You and Hajek are very unique, and I don't
mean unigue as far as your views, but in the atmosphere your disrespect
for other people's opinions creates here. It is this atmosphere that is
hindering free exchange of information in this newsgroup. The fear of
being put down is what keeps many people from posting. If not for this,
I sincerely believe s.c.s-s would have many more contributors and greater
variety of topics.
So the discussion whether this group should have a moderator or not is
also totally superfluous, because that is precisely what you two have
in fact been doing. In your unique way.
: Rosta
P. Zimek, mohu vas ujistit, ze naslouchatko nepouzivam. Rvani mi tudiz
_fyzicky_ nevadi. Navic jsem po 30 letech hrani mirne nahluchly, tedy celkem
imunni. Rvani mi vadi z jinych duvodu, zejmena tehdy, nahrazuje-li substanci.
Navic mi silne pripomina par lidi, se kterymi byste doufam radsi nemel nic
spolecneho :-)
Ive seen The Future, and it works!
Who said that ? Some US guy who in the 1920ies went to visit CCCP.
His name started with S (no Stalin, of course :-)
What the Harvard economic geniuses advised on how to reform CCCP ?
What are the results of their advices ?
You can see it on the Tube; you could read it in this NewsGroup.
What I say about the past, the presence and the future of the CS ?
Disasterville, thats it.
J.
>: >Pane V O Lant, tahle newsgroup je dominovana nekolika arogantnimi jednotliv-
>: >ci, kteri si o sobe zjevne mysli ze sezrali veskerou moudrost a kdyz se na-
>: >hodne nekdo na koho se (podle nich) uz nedostalo tu ozve s jakoukoliv seri-
>: >ozni pripominkou, tak se na nej vrhnou jako smecka rabidnich coklu.
>: >Socialni darwinismus, inner city style. Did you see "Andersonville" on TBS?
>: >And you're right. THEY CAN'T REALLY HURT YOU! v ,
>: >All you need to do is ignore them. Or use the kill file (vrazedny soubor :-)
>: >That's all you need.
>: Kolik postu budete dostavat kdyz vsichni rabidni cokli budou v killfile? To
>: bude uplne ticho ... a mir ... a jednota nazoru ... pod vedenim strany ...
>I really don't want to belabor this point any further, but there you go
>again, in your typical way. You and Hajek are very unique, and I don't
>mean unigue as far as your views, but in the atmosphere your disrespect
>for other people's opinions creates here. It is this atmosphere that is
>hindering free exchange of information in this newsgroup. The fear of
>being put down is what keeps many people from posting.
Proc ja nemam strach neco postovat? Proc Vy nemate strach neco postovat?
Rosta
If not for this,
>I sincerely believe s.c.s-s would have many more contributors and greater
>variety of topics.
>So the discussion whether this group should have a moderator or not is
>also totally superfluous, because that is precisely what you two have
>in fact been doing. In your unique way.
>: Rosta
>: >And, never mind Bures and his hearing aid,
: >From: George Zimek <geoz...@rahul.net>
[deleted]
: >I really don't want to belabor this point any further, but there you go
: >again, in your typical way. You and Hajek are very unique, and I don't
: >mean unigue as far as your views, but in the atmosphere your disrespect
: >for other people's opinions creates here. It is this atmosphere that is
: >hindering free exchange of information in this newsgroup. The fear of
: >being put down is what keeps many people from posting.
: Proc ja nemam strach neco postovat? Proc Vy nemate strach neco postovat?
: Rosta
IMHO, neni podstatne, preco niekto "nema strach".
Podstatne je, preco niekto "ma" (alebo moze mat) strach.
Pan Zimek sa uz o tom zmienil, takze to nemusim opakovat.
: > If not for this,
: >I sincerely believe s.c.s-s would have many more contributors and greater
: >variety of topics.
: >So the discussion whether this group should have a moderator or not is
: >also totally superfluous, because that is precisely what you two have
: >in fact been doing. In your unique way.
Maloktory cenzor si (v dnesnej dobe) pripusti,
ze je cenzorom.
Metody sa mozu menit, dopad je ten isty:
Akymkolvek sposobom (vcitane psychickeho natlaku)
odstranit slobodny prejav myslienok.
Suhlasim s p. Zimkom, az na to, ze si nemyslim,
ze je to az tak "unique".
Boris
ra...@netcom.com
What a waste of valuable bandwith (as opposed to trees :-) ). If there can be
parallel universe, surely we can have several discussion. Rosta a J. Hjek
neodpovidaji na vsechno, jen na to, na co maji nazor. Ja sice namam rad lidi
co krici, ale nesnasim ani lidi co septaji.
Aby byla tato NG pestrejsi, musite do ni prispivat originalni posty (kdyz mate
cas). Hrozne by mne zajimalo, kde Rosta a Honza berou ten cas - Honza je na
jakesi skolw v tolerantnim Holandsku tak to ma asi jako soucast predepsane
dusevni hygieny, ale co Rosta... No treba je penzista. A pan Bures ? Jo , to
je dalsi ucitel. Opravdu, prozradte, jak to delate, please!
Lanny
V. Lanny Rosicky - la...@terren.com
: >From: George Zimek <geoz...@rahul.net>
: >Pane V O Lant, tahle newsgroup je dominovana nekolika arogantnimi jednotliv-
: >ci, kteri si o sobe zjevne mysli ze sezrali veskerou moudrost a kdyz se na-
: >hodne nekdo na koho se (podle nich) uz nedostalo tu ozve s jakoukoliv seri-
: >ozni pripominkou, tak se na nej vrhnou jako smecka rabidnich coklu.
[deleted]
: Ive seen The Future, and it works!
: Who said that ? Some US guy who in the 1920ies went to visit CCCP.
: His name started with S (no Stalin, of course :-)
: What the Harvard economic geniuses advised on how to reform CCCP ?
: What are the results of their advices ?
: You can see it on the Tube; you could read it in this NewsGroup.
Well, Mr. Hajek may be correct assuming that this NG
is not reformable.
However, his comparison of this NG with CCCP,
IMHO, is wrong.
I don't think that the domination (expressed by Mr. Zimek)
has those atributes of "power", as CCCP had.
Boris
ra...@netcom.com
>Ross Hedvicek (naaf...@hookup.net) wrote:
>: >From: George Zimek <geoz...@rahul.net>
>[deleted]
>: >I really don't want to belabor this point any further, but there you go
>: >again, in your typical way. You and Hajek are very unique, and I don't
>: >mean unigue as far as your views, but in the atmosphere your disrespect
>: >for other people's opinions creates here. It is this atmosphere that is
>: >hindering free exchange of information in this newsgroup. The fear of
>: >being put down is what keeps many people from posting.
>: Proc ja nemam strach neco postovat? Proc Vy nemate strach neco postovat?
>: Rosta
>IMHO, neni podstatne, preco niekto "nema strach".
>Podstatne je, preco niekto "ma" (alebo moze mat) strach.
>Pan Zimek sa uz o tom zmienil, takze to nemusim opakovat.
Slovickujete obcane. Proc nemam ja strach, ze budu "put down" pro me nazory
panem Zimkem a nebo vami? Cokoliv napisu, tak muzu celkem logicky
predpokladat, ze se vam to nebude libit - a presto to napisu! Zda se mi, ze
tahle teorie o ukrivdenych bojacnych Cesich, kteri maji strach sem neco napsat
je trochu na hlavu. Umele vytvarite "guilt/hate complex" - to je jako
vykladat malym cernosskym detem ve skole, jak jejich predkove byli muceni a
zabijeni belochy a umele je ucit nenavidet bile... to je presne to co delate,
jste politically correct.
Sledoval jsem tuhle NG dlouho predtim, nez jsem sem zacal psat - a vim o
desitkach dalsich Cechu, kteri tohle ctou a anu za zlate prase by sem nic
nenapsali. Oni se spokoji s ctenim, pripadne vyprintovanim mych vlastnich
prispevku a jejich faxovanim po Torontu a K-W (furt jsem jeste neprisel na to,
kdo to dela :-) ) po rodinach Cechu bez Internetu. A nebo to ctou a
predstiraji ze nectou, jako nedavno pani Reinisova pravila v St.Jacobs, no
takove veci ja nectu "na to ja nemam cas" - a za dalsi hodinu povida "proc vy
porad neco pisete proti Klausovi, co se vam na tom Cesku nelibi? " - a heleho,
kdyz to necte, jakpak to asi vi, ze tam vubec neco pisu, eh??? :-))))
Takze si myslim, ze nemate pravdu - ano, spousty Cechu tohle ctou a nepisou
sem - protoze nechcou, protoze se boji, protoze porad neveri neo-komunistum v
Cesku a nechcou si to "nejak pokazit" - vyberte si. Miliony duvodu - ale
rozhodne ne strach ze mne, Hajka ci kohokoliv jineho.
Rosta
>: Proc ja nemam strach neco postovat? Proc Vy nemate strach neco postovat?
>IMHO, neni podstatne, preco niekto "nema strach".
>Podstatne je, preco niekto "ma" (alebo moze mat) strach.
>Pan Zimek sa uz o tom zmienil, takze to nemusim opakovat.
Nezlob se na me Boris, ale kdyz ma nekdo tady strach tak je to jeho
osobni problem a mel by se o tom poradit s psychiatrickym odbornikem.
Me to nezajima.
Taky nevim proc povazujes za podstatne "proc" ma nekdo strach. Co je
na tom podstatneho? Jiste vis ze tady na dalku nikdo nikomu nemuze
ublizit na tele, tim padem je jakykoliv strach neco postovat naprosto
irracionalni (phobia).
V tom pripade se jedna o psychologickou poruchu toho dotycneho a neni
mi jasne proc by to melo byt dulezite pro ostatni.
Pokud se jedna o ujmu na povesti ci characteru, ja neznam nikoho s kym
ty se stykas (ba dokonce ani nevim v ktere casti sveta se pohybujes)
ty neznas zadneho z mych znamych nebo obchodnich styku, takze jeden
druhemu nemuzeme ani ublizit pomluvami.
Tedy znovu, jakykoliv strach je ciste irracionalni.
>Maloktory cenzor si (v dnesnej dobe) pripusti, ze je cenzorom.
>Metody sa mozu menit, dopad je ten isty:
>Akymkolvek sposobom (vcitane psychickeho natlaku)
>odstranit slobodny prejav myslienok.
Tomu nerozumim. Mas v umyslu ukazat ze pokud nekdo tady placa
pitomosti tak to je svoboda projevu, ale kdyz nekdo jiny mu na to
odpovi ze to co napsal je pitomost tak to je psychologicky natlak a
forma cenzury?
Kdo urcuje kde konci svoboda projevu a zacina psychologicky natlak?
Podivejme se na nejaky konkretni priklad:
Spajda se tady rozciluje ze Hajek je sprostak a uverejnil co mu Ivan
poslal v soukromem e-mail. Zajiste, Spacek ma pravdu ze to bylo od
Hajka sproste. No a co?
Tak Hajek je teda hulvat (jak se tady nekdo vyjadril). No a vo co de?
My to uz davno vsichni vime a vetsine racionalne myslicich lidi to
nijak neubira na jejich pozitku ze zivota. Jediny komu Hajkovo
hulvatstvi muze jakymkoliv zpusobem ublizit je Hajek sam. Tak at si s
tim lame hlavu on, ostatnim to muze byt lhostejne, oni maji svoje
vlastni zivoty o ktere se starat.
Spackovi uz tady par tydnu ctou, tim padem vi (nebo by meli vedet), ze
Hajek je vseho schopny. Kdyz nechteji aby Hajek jejich soukrome posty
uverejnil, nemaji mu je posilat.
V zrejme klamnem domneni ze Spacek je rozumny clovek jsem mu uz
parkrat poradil jak effektivne reagovat na lidi jejich posty se mi
nelibi. Kdyz na moje rady neda a chce si to vyzkouset sam jak v
cyberspace existuji vztahy mezi nekolika neznamymi lidmi, ja nemam
namitek, ale on bude muset nest nasledky svych experimentu.
O me tady Hajek pred casem napsal nekolik naprostych lzi a ja jsem mu
na to parkrat naletel. Pak me teprv doslo ze na tom je vlastne vubec
nezalezi.
Ja tady zadneho z mistni posadky osobne neznam, nemam v nejmensim
umyslu se s nikym z nich kdy v zivote setkat, zadny z nich nema
naprosto zadny vliv na muj zivot. Nepotrebuji jejich obdiv ci
schvaleni k tomu abych se citil platnym clenem lidske rasy ... ergo
kopytko .. at si kazdej pise co ho napadne, i trebas o mne kdyz jejich
vlastni zivot je prilis fadni, me to muze byt ganz egal.
Ja vim co jsem, kdo jsem a co si o mne ve sve neznalosti mysli nekdo v
Australii, Dolnich Postoloprdech nebo v Hollandsku neni pro me
dulezite. A kdyz ten dotycny ma tak silne nutkani se o svoji blbost
delit s kazdym v celem svete, at se deli. Pokud nekdo jiny chce jeho
tlachy brat vazne, at je bere vazne. Mame jednou svobodu vyjadrovani
i svobodu mysleni, tak je vyuzivejme. Nekoho jineho bludy, mentalni
nevyspelost, neznalost nebo pomluvy se me nemuzou dotknout.
Konec kazani
Karl Pollak FidoNet 1:153/965
Richmond, B.C. Canadian Infomaticon BBS
>Aby byla tato NG pestrejsi, musite do ni prispivat originalni posty (kdyz mate
>cas).
Lanny my boy, taky ti zacinaji lezt na nervy lidi co tady furt
zaplavuji tuhle skupinu jejich fnukanim o tom jak to nema pro ne
dostatecne vysokou kulturni uroven ?
V typicky ceskem stylu, misto aby s tim neco udelali sami, tak placou
a stezuji si a cekaj az to za ne udela nekdo jiny. Oni si pak sednou
a budou se placat po zadech jaky jsou Cesi svetovi pas~aci a jak jsou
hrdi nalezet k takove "kulturne vyspele" narodnosti, aniz by pro to
cokoliv udelali sami.
Ne, nejsem ucitel, resp. byl jsem, ale jen 6 mesicu a to jeste v r. 1972.
Utikal jsem odtamtud az se za mnou prasilo...
Jak to delam? Kdyz se podivate na EDT nebo EST mych postu (aspon vetsiny z
nich, tenhle je vyjimka) tak vznikaji tak kolem 7:30 am. Jo, chodim o 90-120
minut driv do prace. To je bomba, co?
A jak to asi dela p. Rosicky? Je to snad "soucast predepsane dusevni hygieny"
v Canadian-Czechoslovak Chamber of Commerce?
Ja nemam strach postovat neco zde.
>What a waste of valuable bandwith (as opposed to trees :-) ). If there can be
>parallel universe, surely we can have several discussion. Rosta a J. Hjek
>neodpovidaji na vsechno, jen na to, na co maji nazor. Ja sice namam rad lidi
>co krici, ale nesnasim ani lidi co septaji.
>Aby byla tato NG pestrejsi, musite do ni prispivat originalni posty (kdyz mate
>cas). Hrozne by mne zajimalo, kde Rosta a Honza berou ten cas - Honza je na
>jakesi skolw v tolerantnim Holandsku tak to ma asi jako soucast predepsane
>dusevni hygieny, ale co Rosta... No treba je penzista. A pan Bures ? Jo , to
>je dalsi ucitel. Opravdu, prozradte, jak to delate, please!
>Lanny
Ctu, pisu a myslim rychle - naucte se to taky :-) Ryerson (ta lihen vsech
geniu) urcite nabizi nejake kursy rychlocteni - rychlomysleni asi sotva :-))
Rosta
Hovno nazor; my mame taky finite bandvit.
>Aby byla tato NG pestrejsi, musite do ni prispivat originalni posty (kdyz mate
>cas). Hrozne by mne zajimalo, kde Rosta a Honza berou ten cas - Honza je na
>jakesi skolw v tolerantnim Holandsku tak to ma asi jako soucast predepsane
>dusevni hygieny, ale co Rosta... No treba je penzista. A pan Bures ? Jo , to
>je dalsi ucitel. Opravdu, prozradte, jak to delate, please!
>V. Lanny Rosicky - la...@terren.com
Sudruh Rosicky, neboli sme spolu ani f KSS ani f KSC a preto si ma
neberte tak familierne ako to robite do svojej nevymachanej chlebarne.
Dakujem pekne, sudruh Rosicky.
Cest~ a s~~~aatecek
J
Kdyz prijdu do hospody (treba i virtualni), tak si urcite nesednu ke stolu
dedku (ci postarsich obcanu), kteri furt melou svou. Oni maji sve zkusenosti a
oni presne vi, jak se veci maji.
Duvodem, proc treba ja neprispivam neni strach, ale pan Hajek, Hedvicek,
Kaifer a podobni, se kterymi diskuse probiha napriklad takto:
H/K: vsichni studenti studujici v soucasne dobe na zahranicnich universitach
jsou komuniste, a dostali se sem pouze s pomoci komunistu (podlozene zadnymi
dukazy ci priklady).
R: neni to pravda, prijimaci rizeni nemuze byt ovlivneno jakousi vzdalenou
stranou, vyjet dnes neni problem, o vizu rozhoduje ambasada, i ty penize se
daji sehnat (TAing, tuition waivers), atd. + priklad
H/K: ignorovani, propripade jakesi pomyslne - hmm, hmm, mozna (ale tezko)
pouze ty jsi vyjimka
po par postech opet to jejich stare:
H/K: vsichni studenti studujici v soucasne dobe na zahranicnich universitach
jsou komuniste, a dostali se sem pouze s pomoci komunistu (podlozene zadnymi
dukazy ci priklady).
Ma to pak cenu se s nima o necem bavit? Podle me ne. Nemam tolik casu jako
nekteri grafomani tady a navic ja jsem ten pomyleny/brain-washed/not
experienced youngster takze i tento post je vlastne blabol.
Radek
PS. Z reakci (budou-li nejake) na tento post usudte sami.
As I said, Kocourkof (in Greece they have Abdera, I guess ? )
I wasnt that much after Zimek
J
Prominte soudruhu Ole! je jsem toto nikdy netvrdil, toto nenit me hobby.
proto se omvufte a nebudte rudy Ul!
neomluvite-li se, stihne vas potrefeni
J
Myslim, ze to priprovnani neni presne. Ve vasi hospode je pouze jeden stul, ve
skutecne virtualni hospode je tech stolu (threads) hned nekolik a zalezi jen
na vas, ke kteremu (nebo zadnemu) si prisednete.
To je zajimavy point. Cili je nutno se prizpusobit? Proc? Muj
soused krade slepice. Tedy resenim je, ze se neodvazim zadne mit.
Popravde receno jsem se ani tak moc nerozcilil. Beru pana Hajka jako
briliantniho nevychovance. Jiste ze me od nej nic tak moc neprekvapi.
Ovsem to neznamena, ze se neozvu.
> V zrejme klamnem domneni ze Spacek je rozumny clovek
Nikdy jsem nedokazal ignorovat veci, ktere jsou mi proti srsti.
Jestlize to je vase definice rozumnosti, tak se pod ni nepodepisuji.
> jsem mu uz
> parkrat poradil jak effektivne reagovat na lidi jejich posty se mi
> nelibi. Kdyz na moje rady neda a chce si to vyzkouset sam jak v
> cyberspace existuji vztahy mezi nekolika neznamymi lidmi, ja nemam
> namitek, ale on bude muset nest nasledky svych experimentu.
>
Jiste, taky to tak beru. Efektivni reagovani? Tedy ignorovani,
pokrceni rameny? Asi to je rozumne, kdyz se clovek vmisi do rvacky,
tak nutne nejakou ranu utrzi.
> Ja vim co jsem, kdo jsem a co si o mne ve sve neznalosti mysli nekdo v
> Australii, Dolnich Postoloprdech nebo v Hollandsku neni pro me
> dulezite. A kdyz ten dotycny ma tak silne nutkani se o svoji blbost
> delit s kazdym v celem svete, at se deli. Pokud nekdo jiny chce jeho
> tlachy brat vazne, at je bere vazne. Mame jednou svobodu
> vyjadrovani
> i svobodu mysleni, tak je vyuzivejme. Nekoho jineho bludy, mentalni
> nevyspelost, neznalost nebo pomluvy se me nemuzou dotknout.
>
> Konec kazani
>
> Karl Pollak FidoNet 1:153/965
> Richmond, B.C. Canadian Infomaticon BBS
Jen tak naokraj, proc tedy sem vubec chodite? Kdyz je vam vsechno tak
krasne jedno?
Neutocim! Jen se ptam.
Ivan Spacek.
Odolat nemohl
Slavek.
>> >I really don't want to belabor this point any further, but there you go
>> >again, in your typical way. You and Hajek are very unique, and I don't
>> >mean unigue as far as your views, but in the atmosphere your disrespect
>> >for other people's opinions creates here. It is this atmosphere that is
>> >hindering free exchange of information in this newsgroup. The fear of
>> >being put down is what keeps many people from posting.
>>
>> Proc ja nemam strach neco postovat? Proc Vy nemate strach neco postovat?
>Ja nemam strach postovat neco zde.
Hm. Ale ja mam strach, ze ty nemas strach postovat neco zde.
:-/
Rosta
>Odolat nemohl
> Slavek.
Ty mne budes tak douho drazdit ... az tam sam spadnes...
Rosta
: In article <rajekDp...@netcom.com> ra...@netcom.com (Boris Rajek) writes:
[deleted]
: >IMHO, neni podstatne, preco niekto "nema strach".
: >Podstatne je, preco niekto "ma" (alebo moze mat) strach.
: >Pan Zimek sa uz o tom zmienil, takze to nemusim opakovat.
: Slovickujete obcane.
Slova su jedinym dorozumievacim prostriedkom na NG.
V telepatii sa nevyznam.
: Proc nemam ja strach, ze budu "put down" pro me nazory
: panem Zimkem a nebo vami?
Odpoved na to, "preco NEmate strach", je ta ista pre
kazdu podobnu otazku: Napr: "Preco NEbyvate v hoteli
Carmel v Santa Monike". Proste preto, ze na to
nemate dovod.
Existencia cohokolvek obycajne moze mat urcite dovody.
Neexistencia dovody nepotrebuje.
[deleted]
: Takze si myslim, ze nemate pravdu - ano, spousty Cechu tohle ctou a nepisou
: sem - protoze nechcou, protoze se boji, protoze porad neveri neo-komunistum v
: Cesku a nechcou si to "nejak pokazit" - vyberte si. Miliony duvodu - ale
: rozhodne ne strach ze mne, Hajka ci kohokoliv jineho.
Pisali ste o "slovickareni", obecnejsie: o "slovach".
Zrejme si neuvedomujete, ze aj "slova" mozu v niekom
vyvolat strach. Alebo, si to uvedomujete a v tom pripade
vasu "zastrasovaciu taktiku" chapem (i ked nesuhlasim).
Boris
ra...@netcom.com
: ra...@netcom.com (Boris Rajek) wrote to Rosta:
[deleted]
: >IMHO, neni podstatne, preco niekto "nema strach".
: >Podstatne je, preco niekto "ma" (alebo moze mat) strach.
: >Pan Zimek sa uz o tom zmienil, takze to nemusim opakovat.
: Nezlob se na me Boris, ale kdyz ma nekdo tady strach tak je to jeho
: osobni problem
Suhlasim
: a mel by se o tom poradit s psychiatrickym odbornikem.
Moj nazor na "psychiatrickych odbornikov" je asi trochu
iny. :-) (Ale, to je moj "problem") :-)
(asi by som sa mal poradit s p.o.; He,he)
: Taky nevim proc povazujes za podstatne "proc" ma nekdo strach. Co je
: na tom podstatneho? Jiste vis ze tady na dalku nikdo nikomu nemuze
: ublizit na tele, tim padem je jakykoliv strach neco postovat naprosto
: irracionalni (phobia).
Well, co je "podstatneho" na hocicom? :-)
Kazdopadne, je podstatnejsie "proc", na rozdiel od "proc ne".
(pretoze na otazku "proc ne" vo vacsine pripadov,
odpoved neexistuje).
Jo! "Na dalku" "na tele" ublizit nemuze.
Avsak: "Slova" samy o sebe mozu byt "ublizujuce",
podobne, ako mozu byt "povzbudzujuce".
: Pokud se jedna o ujmu na povesti ci characteru, ja neznam nikoho s kym
: ty se stykas (ba dokonce ani nevim v ktere casti sveta se pohybujes)
: ty neznas zadneho z mych znamych nebo obchodnich styku, takze jeden
: druhemu nemuzeme ani ublizit pomluvami.
IMHO, "pomluvy" maju svoj charakter bez ohladu na to,
ci je (alebo neni) v dohlade ciel ich konecneho uplatnenia.
(if any).
[deleted]
: >Maloktory cenzor si (v dnesnej dobe) pripusti, ze je cenzorom.
: >Metody sa mozu menit, dopad je ten isty:
: >Akymkolvek sposobom (vcitane psychickeho natlaku)
: >odstranit slobodny prejav myslienok.
: Tomu nerozumim. Mas v umyslu ukazat ze pokud nekdo tady placa
: pitomosti tak to je svoboda projevu, ale kdyz nekdo jiny mu na to
: odpovi ze to co napsal je pitomost tak to je psychologicky natlak a
: forma cenzury?
Ale nie. :-)
Pisanie pitomosti (o niecom) je IMHO, O.K.
(Who doesn't?) :-)
Vadi mi pisanie pitomosti "o niekom".
A kedze mi to vadi, tak sa (obcas) ozyvam. :-)
[deleted]
Boris
ra...@netcom.com
>Ross Hedvicek (naaf...@hookup.net) wrote:
>: In article <rajekDp...@netcom.com> ra...@netcom.com (Boris Rajek) writes:
>[deleted]
>: >IMHO, neni podstatne, preco niekto "nema strach".
>: >Podstatne je, preco niekto "ma" (alebo moze mat) strach.
>: >Pan Zimek sa uz o tom zmienil, takze to nemusim opakovat.
>: Slovickujete obcane.
>Slova su jedinym dorozumievacim prostriedkom na NG.
>V telepatii sa nevyznam.
>: Proc nemam ja strach, ze budu "put down" pro me nazory
>: panem Zimkem a nebo vami?
>Odpoved na to, "preco NEmate strach", je ta ista pre
>kazdu podobnu otazku: Napr: "Preco NEbyvate v hoteli
>Carmel v Santa Monike". Proste preto, ze na to
>nemate dovod.
>Existencia cohokolvek obycajne moze mat urcite dovody.
>Neexistencia dovody nepotrebuje.
>[deleted]
>: Takze si myslim, ze nemate pravdu - ano, spousty Cechu tohle ctou a nepisou
>: sem - protoze nechcou, protoze se boji, protoze porad neveri neo-komunistum v
>: Cesku a nechcou si to "nejak pokazit" - vyberte si. Miliony duvodu - ale
>: rozhodne ne strach ze mne, Hajka ci kohokoliv jineho.
>Pisali ste o "slovickareni", obecnejsie: o "slovach".
>Zrejme si neuvedomujete, ze aj "slova" mozu v niekom
>vyvolat strach. Alebo, si to uvedomujete a v tom pripade
>vasu "zastrasovaciu taktiku" chapem (i ked nesuhlasim).
Vy klickujete tak komplikovanym zpusobem, aby jste si zduvodnil neco cemu sam
neverite, ze jste si ani neuvedomil, ze uz chvili bezite opacnym smerem, ze
jo? :-)))
Rosta
>Boris
>ra...@netcom.com
Kdo to rekl, ze "pero je mocnejsi nez mec"?
Pavel Dvorak
###
>Well, co je "podstatneho" na hocicom? :-)
Exactly. Lidi berou zivot prilis vazne.
>Jo! "Na dalku" "na tele" ublizit nemuze.
>Avsak: "Slova" samy o sebe mozu byt "ublizujuce", podobne, ako mozu byt
>"povzbudzujuce".
Slova muzou ublizit jenom nekomu kdo je zavisly na schvaleni ostatnich
k tomu aby povazoval svuj vlastni zivot ci svoji existenci za
pravoplatnou. Individualista takove ospravedlneni nepotrebuje protoze
si je vedom ze jeho existence a vyznam nejsou zavisle na zadne jine
osobe, a predevsim ne na prislusenstvi k nejakemu kolektivu.
Pokud inspirace, povzbuzeni ci motivace nevychazi z toho cloveka
sameho, neni nic nez loutka prosici aby nekdo tahal za jeho snurky.
>IMHO, "pomluvy" maju svoj charakter bez ohladu na to,
>ci je (alebo neni) v dohlade ciel ich konecneho uplatnenia. (if any).
Zajiste, ale podle me pomluvy odrazeji character toho kdo je
rozsiruje, spis nez toho kdo je jejich predmetem. Pokud ja budu o
tobe roztrusovat pomluvy, nic to nezmenin na tvem characteru, ale
urcite by to ukazalo podlost a tupost tech kdo by je sirili.
>Pisanie pitomosti (o niecom) je IMHO, O.K. (Who doesn't?) :-)
>Vadi mi pisanie pitomosti "o niekom".
>A kedze mi to vadi, tak sa (obcas) ozyvam. :-)
V tom ti nikdo nemuze branit ...
>Kdo to rekl, ze "pero je mocnejsi nez mec"?
Nejakej pan co se pichl svym perem driv nez mu nekdo mohl useknout
hlavu ...
Jak vis, ze to byl muz a ze to pero bylo jeho? Co kdyz se to stalo zene a
to pero si nekde vypujcila?
Pavel Dvorak
###
Mas na mysli Ryerson Quasitechnical University? Tu, na ktere profesori mimo
pracovni dobu funguji jako prostituti a v pracovni dobe obhajuji studentum
pedofilii?
Hm. Hm. Nejenom neco ale cokoli.
:-\
Paul JK.
Nevim o rychlomysleni, ale zato uznavaji rychlodoktoraty.
Pavel Dvorak
###
>In <naafetee.27...@hookup.net>, naaf...@hookup.net (Ross Hedvicek) writes:
>>Ctu, pisu a myslim rychle - naucte se to taky :-) Ryerson (ta lihen vsech
>>geniu) urcite nabizi nejake kursy rychlocteni - rychlomysleni asi sotva :-))
>Mas na mysli Ryerson Quasitechnical University? Tu, na ktere profesori mimo
>pracovni dobu funguji jako prostituti a v pracovni dobe obhajuji studentum
>pedofilii?
Ano, mel jsem na mysli presne tu :-)))))
Rosta
> From: rcj...@urc.tue.nl (J. Hajek)
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
> Date: 4 Apr 1996 15:30:09 GMT
> Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology
>
> >From: me...@cpsc.UCalgary.CA (Radomir &)
> >Subject: Re: Czechs?! A funny nation, if any...
To vam, velky mysliteli, nedoslo, ze by H/K jsem myslel Hedvicek/Keifer? Jinak
by tam stalo H/H/K :-))))))
Nebojte sa, priste pridam:
Hajek: urazky, urazky (soudruh *JE* urazka a on to moc dobre vi)
Radek
As se ucho utrhne!
Borisku, jsem tomu rad ze jste zde nakousnul telepatiu; jsou snad
nekteri ze zde dialogujicich dam ci panu blize seznamen s praci
prof Dr Jahn & co z Princetonske universitky. Jahn tam byl dean of
aero & space, tedy no bul, nositel odznacku od NASA, tedy no nonsense
guy, ALE od zacatku let 80ych (tohoto storocia) jede vyskum ESP =
xtra sensory perception; see his very long invited paper in
the Proceedings IEEE, 1983 (or 1982 ?)
J
PS: je tam taky fotka telepatickeho prenosu z Bratislavy (ne to neni
znacka uzenin) no kidding; snadno si chackujte v kni-hovne