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Jack Stone

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Apr 26, 2007, 8:19:21 PM4/26/07
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"aw" <aw...@dccnet.com> wrote

> Many Evangelical Christians in the U.S. say they are outraged over
> President George Bush's statement that Christians and Muslims worship the
> same God.

One or two, or three, who cares ? :-)

> The statement was made Thursday, during the joint press conference in
> England with Prime Minister Tony Blair. A reporter noted Bush has
> frequently expressed the view that freedom is a gift from "the Almighty,"
> but questioned whether Bush believes "Muslims worship the same Almighty"
> as the president and other Christians do.
>
> "I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also
> condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world," Bush
> replied. "It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship
> the same god," reported the London Telegraph.

And that's the real problem. That they worship some "God" instead of logic
and science.

> Bush's equivalence of the Judeo-Christian and Muslim gods brought
> reactions of shock and dismay from Christians in the U.S. Richard Land,
> president of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest
> Protestant denomination, was quoted in the Baptist Press as saying the
> president "is simply mistaken."

He's not mistaken at all. It's true. All those idiots who believe in God
most likely worship the same unproven and never seen deity.

> According to a Washington Post account, Land said in an interview: "We
> should always remember that he is commander in chief, not theologian in
> chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true god is Jehovah, and
> his only begotten son is Jesus Christ."

Some say that Muhammad followed Jesus as a prophet. Some others say that
there was a third book of Bible, the Book of Mormon. Stupid fuckers.

> Blair avoided answering the same question, replying with a general
> statement about freedom.
>
> Bush, a practicing Christian who frequently talks publicly about the
> importance to him of his faith, nevertheless has repeatedly defended Islam
> as a religion of peace, ever since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attack on
> the U.S. by 19 Islamist radicals.

There is no religion of peace ! And now even hinduists are showing their
teeth when it comes to Richard Gere and that stupid chick from India who won
the British "Big Brother" contest.
--

Jack Stone

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Jenicek

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Apr 26, 2007, 8:56:56 PM4/26/07
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>
> "aw" <aw...@dccnet.com> wrote
>
>> Many Evangelical Christians in the U.S. say they are outraged over
>> President George Bush's statement that Christians and Muslims worship the
>> same God.
>
> One or two, or three, who cares ? :-)
>
>> The statement was made Thursday, during the joint press conference in
>> England with Prime Minister Tony Blair. A reporter noted Bush has
>> frequently expressed the view that freedom is a gift from "the Almighty,"
>> but questioned whether Bush believes "Muslims worship the same Almighty"
>> as the president and other Christians do.
>>
>> "I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also
>> condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world," Bush
>> replied. "It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we
>> worship the same god," reported the London Telegraph.
>
> And that's the real problem. That they worship some "God" instead of logic
> and science.
you mean communist indoctrinated science - do you know any other science?
I amd sure, that your education is extremly limited...

>
>> Bush's equivalence of the Judeo-Christian and Muslim gods brought
>> reactions of shock and dismay from Christians in the U.S. Richard Land,
>> president of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest
>> Protestant denomination, was quoted in the Baptist Press as saying the
>> president "is simply mistaken."
>
> He's not mistaken at all. It's true. All those idiots who believe in God
> most likely worship the same unproven and never seen deity.

All the idiots that don't believe in God are idiots of hte same education as
you are...

>
>> According to a Washington Post account, Land said in an interview: "We
>> should always remember that he is commander in chief, not theologian in
>> chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true god is Jehovah, and
>> his only begotten son is Jesus Christ."
>
> Some say that Muhammad followed Jesus as a prophet. Some others say that
> there was a third book of Bible, the Book of Mormon. Stupid fuckers.

Some say othervise, stupid fucker!


>
>> Blair avoided answering the same question, replying with a general
>> statement about freedom.
>>
>> Bush, a practicing Christian who frequently talks publicly about the
>> importance to him of his faith, nevertheless has repeatedly defended
>> Islam as a religion of peace, ever since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror
>> attack on the U.S. by 19 Islamist radicals.
>
> There is no religion of peace ! And now even hinduists are showing their
> teeth when it comes to Richard Gere and that stupid chick from India who
> won the British "Big Brother" contest.

If you don't know any religion, don't advertise your stupidity. Stick to
your
cigarets and beer - something you are expert in.

Jack Stone

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Apr 27, 2007, 3:11:44 PM4/27/07
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"Jenicek" <Jen...@cz.com> wrote in message
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:-))))))) But you can't call them religious fanatics :-)

>>
>>> According to a Washington Post account, Land said in an interview: "We
>>> should always remember that he is commander in chief, not theologian in
>>> chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true god is Jehovah, and
>>> his only begotten son is Jesus Christ."
>>
>> Some say that Muhammad followed Jesus as a prophet. Some others say that
>> there was a third book of Bible, the Book of Mormon. Stupid fuckers.
>
> Some say othervise, stupid fucker!

Geee, I hit the nail on the head, didn't I ? :-)

>>
>>> Blair avoided answering the same question, replying with a general
>>> statement about freedom.
>>>
>>> Bush, a practicing Christian who frequently talks publicly about the
>>> importance to him of his faith, nevertheless has repeatedly defended
>>> Islam as a religion of peace, ever since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror
>>> attack on the U.S. by 19 Islamist radicals.
>>
>> There is no religion of peace ! And now even hinduists are showing their
>> teeth when it comes to Richard Gere and that stupid chick from India who
>> won the British "Big Brother" contest.
>
> If you don't know any religion, don't advertise your stupidity. Stick to
> your
> cigarets and beer - something you are expert in.

On the contrary, I know a lot about religions. That's why I despise them.
They are the source of 95% of evil on this planet.
Beer and cigarettes are however much more enjoyable than any religion
:-))))))))

Jenicek

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"Jack Stone" <stlj...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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I would not expect any other answer from someone like you.


aw

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>> I kdybychom, byt hypoteticky, pripustili, ze Bush je "masovy vrah" a
>> "valecny zlocinec", nejednalo by se o nabozensky motivovane akce.
>> Naopak,
>> jak vsichni vedi, Bush a ostatni predposrani zapadni politici delaji
>> vsechno mozne, aby na ne nebylo pohlizeno jako na nabozenske fanatiky.
>> Viz opakovane navstevy prednich svetovych vudcu v ruznych mesitach po
>> 9/11.


Journalist Arnon Regular wrote, in the June 26 edition of Ha'aretz (Israel's
most reputable newspaper), that he has minutes of a meeting among top-level
Palestinian leaders, including Prime Minister Mahmoud Abas. The minutes are
apparently quite detailed, because Regular wrote a long article recounting
very specific conversations. The last paragraph of the article reads:

"According to Abbas, Bush said: 'God told me to strike at al Qaida and I
struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and
now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me
I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on
them.'"


Jenicek

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And what else had Abbas created? Comment for stupid folk and deseminated by
idiots like you.
Abbas is happy and you can ask him for 15 virgins - for your service.


aw

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Apr 23, 2007, 1:17:36 PM4/23/07
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Jackson Lears in the New York Times reported Bush as saying, "''Events
aren't moved by blind change and chance''..., but by ''the hand of a just
and faithful God.'' From the outset he has been convinced that his
presidency is part of a divine plan, even telling a friend while he was
governor of Texas, ''I believe God wants me to run for president.'' This
conviction that he is doing God's will has surfaced more openly since 9/11.
In his State of the Union addresses and other public forums, he has
presented himself as the leader of a global war against evil. As for a war
in Iraq, ''we do not claim to know all the ways of Providence, yet we can
trust in them.'' God is at work in world affairs, he says, calling for the
United States to lead a liberating crusade in the Middle East, and ''this
call of history has come to the right country.''


Jenicek

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Apr 23, 2007, 3:45:39 PM4/23/07
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So what, you belive in a shit and you will stay one smelly shit for the rest
of your life.


aw

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© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com


Many Evangelical Christians in the U.S. say they are outraged over President
George Bush's statement that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

The statement was made Thursday, during the joint press conference in

England with Prime Minister Tony Blair. A reporter noted Bush has frequently
expressed the view that freedom is a gift from "the Almighty," but
questioned whether Bush believes "Muslims worship the same Almighty" as the
president and other Christians do.

"I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also
condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world," Bush
replied. "It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship
the same god," reported the London Telegraph.

Bush's equivalence of the Judeo-Christian and Muslim gods brought reactions

of shock and dismay from Christians in the U.S. Richard Land, president of
the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant
denomination, was quoted in the Baptist Press as saying the president "is
simply mistaken."

According to a Washington Post account, Land said in an interview: "We

should always remember that he is commander in chief, not theologian in
chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true god is Jehovah, and his
only begotten son is Jesus Christ."

Blair avoided answering the same question, replying with a general statement
about freedom.

Bush, a practicing Christian who frequently talks publicly about the
importance to him of his faith, nevertheless has repeatedly defended Islam
as a religion of peace, ever since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attack on the
U.S. by 19 Islamist radicals.

:))))))))))))))))))))) Honza :))))))))))))))))))))))))


Jenicek

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Apr 23, 2007, 7:52:10 PM4/23/07
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and what? do you have some more copies of something?


Petr Kovar

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Jack Stone <stlj...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:f0thtf$2go5$1...@ns.felk.cvut.cz> (Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:11:44 +0200):

> "Jenicek" <Jen...@cz.com> wrote in message
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(...)

>> If you don't know any religion, don't advertise your stupidity. Stick to
>> your
>> cigarets and beer - something you are expert in.
>
> On the contrary, I know a lot about religions. That's why I despise them.
> They are the source of 95% of evil on this planet.

(...)

Myslim, ze nabozenstvi krivdis. Jsem naprosto presvedcen, ze je to jen 94 %.
(Pecka mi muze opet podekovat.)

-pk-

Zdislav V. Kovarik

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Tak ja bych to usmlouval na 94.5%. Vsimnete si, jak jsem tolerantni.

Cheers, Slavek(ZVK)

Petr Kovar

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"Zdislav V. Kovarik" <kov...@mcmaster.ca> pise ve svem prispevku
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2007 14:51:13 -0400):

> On Tue, 1 May 2007, Petr Kovar wrote:
>
>> Jack Stone <stlj...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> pise ve svem prispevku
>> <news:f0thtf$2go5$1...@ns.felk.cvut.cz> (Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:11:44 +0200):

(...)

>>> On the contrary, I know a lot about religions. That's why I despise them.
>>> They are the source of 95% of evil on this planet.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Myslim, ze nabozenstvi krivdis. Jsem naprosto presvedcen, ze je to jen 94 %.
>> (Pecka mi muze opet podekovat.)
>>
>> -pk-
>>
>
> Tak ja bych to usmlouval na 94.5%. Vsimnete si, jak jsem tolerantni.

Vic takovych ateistu! (A mene malvic, bobuli a...)

-pk-

J. Horak

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Tak, tak "the only statistics you can trust are those you falsified
yourself"
Winston Churchill

Cheers
jh.

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Zdislav V. Kovarik

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Before Curchill:
There are three kinds of lies:
lies, damn lies, and statistics.
(Mark Twain)

Cheers, Slavek(ZVK)

J. Horak

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On Wed, 2 May 2007 16:05:00 -0400, "Zdislav V. Kovarik"
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I believe it was Disraeli.

Jack Stone

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Tak teda jo, ty perfekcionisto :-)

Paul J Kriha

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Alfred Marshall.
pjk

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To neni nic neocekavaneho. Velice casto ti. kteri jsou ideologicky
(nabozensky) co nejblize, vystupuji jako nejvestsi nepratele! Jen si
vzpomente na Stalina a Trockeho. Oba byli zazrani Marxisti a Komunisti
ale nenavideli se protoze se uchazeli o stejne misto v historii. Totez
plati o Zidech, Krestanech a Muslimech. Vsechny tri nabozenstvi
uznavaji "stary zakon" takze nejen Buh ale i Abraham , ...atp. a
vsechny starozakone "kapacity" jsou "svate" pro vsechny tri
nabozenstvi. Krestani a muslimove maji navic spolecne to, ze uznavaji
a oslavuji Svatou Marii a dokonce i Jezise, jen s tou vyjimkou, ze
podle Koranu byl Jezis prorokem (jako treba Mohamed) ale ne synem
Boha, tj oni veri jen v monotheismus - jeden Buh - stejny pro Zidy,
Krestany a Muslimy, ale ne ve "svatou trojici" "Buh, Jezis a Duch
Svaty" . Pres vsechny tyto podobnosti (a osobne jsem zazil v Muslimske
zemi oslavy Vanoc jako narozeni Krista) se tyto tri varianty viry ve
stejneho Boha nesmirne nenavidi. Musim toto prohlaseni opravit - neni
to vetsina lidi - muslimu - zidu - a krestanu, kteri se vzajemne
nenavidi, jsou to jen jejich ideologicti tj. nabozensti a spolecensti
vudci, kteri se boji o sve dominujici koryto.

O.K.

FEEB

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On 8 May 2007 01:23:30 -0700, ok...@bu.edu wrote:

>To neni nic neocekavaneho. Velice casto ti. kteri jsou ideologicky
>(nabozensky) co nejblize, vystupuji jako nejvestsi nepratele! Jen si
>vzpomente na Stalina a Trockeho. Oba byli zazrani Marxisti a Komunisti
>ale nenavideli se protoze se uchazeli o stejne misto v historii. Totez
>plati o Zidech, Krestanech a Muslimech. Vsechny tri nabozenstvi
>uznavaji "stary zakon" takze nejen Buh ale i Abraham , ...atp. a
>vsechny starozakone "kapacity" jsou "svate" pro vsechny tri
>nabozenstvi. Krestani a muslimove maji navic spolecne to, ze uznavaji
>a oslavuji Svatou Marii a dokonce i Jezise, jen s tou vyjimkou, ze
>podle Koranu byl Jezis prorokem (jako treba Mohamed) ale ne synem
>Boha, tj oni veri jen v monotheismus - jeden Buh - stejny pro Zidy,
>Krestany a Muslimy, ale ne ve "svatou trojici" "Buh, Jezis a Duch
>Svaty" . Pres vsechny tyto podobnosti (a osobne jsem zazil v Muslimske
>zemi oslavy Vanoc jako narozeni Krista) se tyto tri varianty viry ve
>stejneho Boha nesmirne nenavidi. Musim toto prohlaseni opravit - neni
>to vetsina lidi - muslimu - zidu - a krestanu, kteri se vzajemne
>nenavidi, jsou to jen jejich ideologicti tj. nabozensti a spolecensti
>vudci, kteri se boji o sve dominujici koryto.

A o co se boji Osama? O svoji prycnu v jeskynce?


<fe...@chem.utoronto.ca>


aw

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"FEEB" <fe...@chem.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
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Mozna chce vyhnat Krizaky z "posvatnych" mist (jeho viry)
tak jako Krizaci se chteli zbavit Infidels Jeruzalema. (-_-)


Petr Kovar

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<ok...@bu.edu> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:1178612610.7...@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> (8 May 2007
01:23:30 -0700):

(...)

> To neni nic neocekavaneho. Velice casto ti. kteri jsou ideologicky
> (nabozensky) co nejblize, vystupuji jako nejvestsi nepratele! Jen si
> vzpomente na Stalina a Trockeho.

Zase to lacine nedelani rozdilu mezi nabozenstvim a politickymi ideologiemi.
A proc si mame vzpomenout zrovna na ty dva bolseviky? Snaha o demonizaci?

> Oba byli zazrani Marxisti a Komunisti
> ale nenavideli se protoze se uchazeli o stejne misto v historii. Totez
> plati o Zidech, Krestanech a Muslimech. Vsechny tri nabozenstvi
> uznavaji "stary zakon" takze nejen Buh ale i Abraham , ...atp. a
> vsechny starozakone "kapacity" jsou "svate" pro vsechny tri
> nabozenstvi.

Ve skutecnosti to o tom "starem zakone" a "kapacitach" (pekne slovo...) neni
tak jednoduche...

> Krestani a muslimove maji navic spolecne to, ze uznavaji
> a oslavuji Svatou Marii a dokonce i Jezise, jen s tou vyjimkou, ze
> podle Koranu byl Jezis prorokem (jako treba Mohamed) ale ne synem
> Boha, tj oni veri jen v monotheismus - jeden Buh - stejny pro Zidy,
> Krestany a Muslimy, ale ne ve "svatou trojici" "Buh, Jezis a Duch
> Svaty" .

Krestane jsou take monoteisticti. Jejich Buh je trojjediny - zduraznuji cast
"jediny".

> Pres vsechny tyto podobnosti (a osobne jsem zazil v Muslimske
> zemi oslavy Vanoc jako narozeni Krista) se tyto tri varianty viry ve
> stejneho Boha nesmirne nenavidi. Musim toto prohlaseni opravit - neni
> to vetsina lidi - muslimu - zidu - a krestanu, kteri se vzajemne
> nenavidi, jsou to jen jejich ideologicti tj. nabozensti a spolecensti
> vudci, kteri se boji o sve dominujici koryto.

Pane Kyne, nezlobte se, ale kde zijete? Vy jste si nevsiml dlouholete,
vytrvale, hluboke a uprimne snahy nabozenskych vudcu o sblizeni
nabozenskych svetu, ktere reprezentuji? Vy jste je nevidel navstevovat
chramy a svatyne tech druhych, nevidel jste je besedovat spolecne nad
spojujicimi i rozdelujicimi tematy? V tomto smyslu vsechny ceka dlouha a
narocna cesta, ktera bude komplikovana prave temi malymi skupinkami, ktere
s danymi procesy sblizovani nechteji souhlasit a ostatnim v takovem
pocinani prekazi a vse komplikuji. Vetsinou se jedna o fundamentalisty,
tedy ty jakoby odsouzene byt v mensine (a o to hlasiteji kricet) a nikoliv
mit moznost vest miliony ci miliardy vericich (pricemz tyto miliony a
miliardy prosim nevydavejme za ulicni luzu, tak casto videnou v zapadnich
masmediich).

-pk-

Jenicek

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Kyne ty ses ale poradny vul. Kdysi ses tady chvalil, zes byl taky katolik...
Muzes nam vysvetlit kdy te, jako katolika, nekdo ucil nenavidet zidy nebo
mohamedany?
Jedine co jako katolik nenavidim jsou komunisticti a ex komunisticti (
presne takove jako ty)
...chytraci kteri mysli ze pres svoji nabubrelou chytrost oblbnou ostatni.
Jsi ale na omylu Kyne. Priste si radje rozmyli co napises, nebo nepis nic.
Delas ze sebe jen vola a kazdy kdo dovede pouzit svuj mozek to vidi...

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Jenicek

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"Petr Kovar" <pm...@quick.cz> wrote in message
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Kyn je komunisticky ideolog nastrceny do US aby vyucoval mistni studenty o
vyhodach bolsevizmu. Ted je pro zmenu exper na nabozenstvi..


Jiri Pecka

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On Tue, 8 May 2007 20:39:14 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>> Krestani a muslimove maji navic spolecne to, ze uznavaji
>> a oslavuji Svatou Marii a dokonce i Jezise, jen s tou vyjimkou, ze
>> podle Koranu byl Jezis prorokem (jako treba Mohamed) ale ne synem
>> Boha, tj oni veri jen v monotheismus - jeden Buh - stejny pro Zidy,
>> Krestany a Muslimy, ale ne ve "svatou trojici" "Buh, Jezis a Duch
>> Svaty" .
>
>Krestane jsou take monoteisticti. Jejich Buh je trojjediny - zduraznuji cast
>"jediny".

Nemaji to ti chudaci krestane jednoduche, predstirat povrchni
monotheismus i kdyz praxe je uplne jina, s jejich tisici svatymi
ruznych profesnich specializaci, k nimz je mozno se separatne modlit
aby za nas expertne lobbyovali u samotneho Sefa.

Primo to asi jde hure - neni divu, Sef musi byt zaneprazdnen
sebekontrolou sveho neustaleho vzteku nad tim co v potu tvare za sest
dni vytvoril. Dokonce i musel potom sedmy den odpocivat. Obycejny
clovek zasne, ze coby vsemohoucimu mu nestacilo jenom lusknout prstem.
Inu nevyzpytatelne jsou cesty Pane.

Jiri Pecka

--------------------------

Christianity claims to be a monotheistic religion, but you have to
wonder sometimes. Rivers of mediaeval ink, not to mention blood, have
been squandered over the mystery of the Trinity, and in suppressing
deviations, such as the Arian heresy. Arius of Alexandria in the 4th
century AD, denied that Jesus was con-substantial, i.e. of the same
substance of essence, with God. What on earth could that possibly
mean? you're probably asking. Substance, what substance? What exactly
do you mean by essence? Very little, seems the only reasonable reply.
Yet the controversy split Christendom down the middle for a century
and the Emperor Constantine ordered that all copies of Arius' book
should be burned. Splitting Christendom by splitting hairs, such has
ever been the way of theology.

Do we have one God in three parts, or three gods in one? The Catholic
Encyclopaedia clears up the matter for us in a masterpiece of
theological close reasoning. 'In the unity of the godhead there are
three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; these three
persons being truly distinct, one from another. Thus in the words of
the Athanasian Creed, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy
Spirit is God, and yet there are not three gods but one god.

As if that were not clear enough, the Eyclopaedia quotes the 3rd
century theologian, St Gregory, the Miracle Worker. 'There is
therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity,
nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not
existed, but had entered afterwards. Therefore the Father has never
been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit, and this same
Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever.'

Whatever miracles may have earned St Gregory his nickname, they were
not miracles of honest lucidity. His words convey the
characteristically obscurantist flavour of theology, which unlike
science, or most other branches of human scholarship, has not moved on
in 18 centuries. Thomas Jefferson, as so often, got it right when he
said, 'Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against
unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct, before reason can
act upon them, and no man ever had a distinct idea of the Trinity. It
is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the
priests of Jesus.'

Jefferson heaped ridicule on the doctrine that, as he put it, 'there
are three Gods' in his critique of Calvinism. But it is especially the
Roman Catholic branch of Christianity that pushes its recurrent
flirtation with polytheism towards runaway inflation. The Trinity, is
joined by Mary, Queen of Heaven, a goddess in all but name, who surely
runs God himself a close second as a target of prayers. The pantheon
is further swollen by an army of saints, whose intercessory power
makes them, if not demigods, well worth approaching on their own
specialist subjects. The Catholic community forum hopefully lists
5,120 saints, together with their areas of expertise, which include
abdominal pain, abuse victims, anorexia, arms dealers, blacksmiths,
broken bones, bomb technicians and bowel disorders, to venture no
further than the Bs.

Pope John Paul II created more saints than all his predecessors of the
past several centuries put together. And he had a special affinity
with the Virgin Mary. His polytheistic hankerings were dramatically
demonstrated in 1981 when he suffered an assassination attempt in
Rome, and attributed his survival to intervention by Our Lady of
Fatima, a maternal hand guided the bullet. One cannot help wondering
why she didn't guide it to miss him altogether. Others might think the
team of surgeons who operated on him for six hours deserved at least a
share of the credit. But perhaps their hands too were maternally
guided. The relevant point is that it wasn't just Our Lady, who in the
Pope's opinion guided the bullet, but specifically Our Lady of Fatima.
Presumably Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Guadeloupe, Our Lady of
Medjugorje, Our Lady of Akita, Our Lady of Zeitoun, Our Lady of
Garabandal, and Our Lady of Knock, were busy on other errands at the
time.


(Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion)

Petr Kovar

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Jiri Pecka <nos...@nospam.com> pise ve svem prispevku
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(...)

> Nemaji to ti chudaci krestane jednoduche, predstirat povrchni
> monotheismus i kdyz praxe je uplne jina, s jejich tisici svatymi
> ruznych profesnich specializaci, k nimz je mozno se separatne modlit
> aby za nas expertne lobbyovali u samotneho Sefa.

Pane Pecko, budte tak laskav a vygooglujte si hesla "krestan" a "katolik".
Vas vseobecny prehled je opravdu ohromujici (a Vase snaha diskutovat o
necem, cemu vubec nerozumite, taktez).

> Primo to asi jde hure - neni divu, Sef musi byt zaneprazdnen
> sebekontrolou sveho neustaleho vzteku nad tim co v potu tvare za sest
> dni vytvoril. Dokonce i musel potom sedmy den odpocivat. Obycejny
> clovek zasne, ze coby vsemohoucimu mu nestacilo jenom lusknout prstem.
> Inu nevyzpytatelne jsou cesty Pane.

Predstavte si Boha jako stavitele velikeho dila a mozna prestanete zasnout.

(...)

> Christianity claims to be a monotheistic religion, but you have to
> wonder sometimes. Rivers of mediaeval ink, not to mention blood, have

Nemylim-li se pri vzpomince na reky (potoky) krve, tak uz znam Peckovu
inspiraci.

Potoky krve ve stredoveku, to je zase pekny odsudek, nad kterym se
medieviste radi (ci "radi") pousmeji. A samozrejme a nastesti nejen oni. Pan
Dawkins mezi obdarene nepatri.

> been squandered over the mystery of the Trinity, and in suppressing
> deviations, such as the Arian heresy. Arius of Alexandria in the 4th
> century AD, denied that Jesus was con-substantial, i.e. of the same
> substance of essence, with God. What on earth could that possibly
> mean? you're probably asking. Substance, what substance? What exactly
> do you mean by essence? Very little, seems the only reasonable reply.
> Yet the controversy split Christendom down the middle for a century
> and the Emperor Constantine ordered that all copies of Arius' book
> should be burned. Splitting Christendom by splitting hairs, such has
> ever been the way of theology.

"The only reasonable reply", "has ever been"... To jsou nekompromisni soudy.
Ano, ateista si mysli, ze zna spravnou odpoved, cela teologie je prece
nesmysl. Jak lakave jednoduche vysvetleni!

> Do we have one God in three parts, or three gods in one? The Catholic
> Encyclopaedia clears up the matter for us in a masterpiece of
> theological close reasoning. 'In the unity of the godhead there are
> three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; these three
> persons being truly distinct, one from another. Thus in the words of
> the Athanasian Creed, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy
> Spirit is God, and yet there are not three gods but one god.

Ano, protoze ta prvni tri sluvka "God" maji jinou podstatu (vyznam) nez
sluvko "god" na konci. Neni tezke pochopit a uznat, ze hra se slovicky, tedy
tento zpusob pokusu o kritiku, neni prilis "poctivy", abych se vyjadril po
peckovsku.

(...)

> Whatever miracles may have earned St Gregory his nickname, they were
> not miracles of honest lucidity. His words convey the
> characteristically obscurantist flavour of theology, which unlike
> science, or most other branches of human scholarship, has not moved on
> in 18 centuries.

A jsme u osvicenskych nabozenskych predsudku... Skoda, ze uz pan Dawkins
nepise, jak to pak s temi predsudky bylo na zacatku 19. stoleti a jakym
zpusobem se i teologie stala potrebnou pro spolecnost 19. i 20. stoleti,
osvicenstvi-neosvicenstvi. Pan Dawkins obvinuje teologii, ze zakrnela pred
(koncem) 18. stoleti, ale on sam patrne zakrnel prave na konci daneho
stoleti. Filosofie se ale nastesti (a nanestesti pro pana Dawkinse) vyvijela
dal.

> Thomas Jefferson, as so often, got it right when he
> said, 'Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against
> unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct, before reason can
> act upon them, and no man ever had a distinct idea of the Trinity. It
> is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the
> priests of Jesus.'

Takove nazory T. Jeffersona jsou zajimave, ale dnes uz vime, ze jen pro jeho
dobu. Svet si uvedomil, ze to s tou udajne dokonalou nahradou nabozenstvi,
totiz Rozumem osvicencu, nebude tak horke...

> Jefferson heaped ridicule on the doctrine that, as he put it, 'there
> are three Gods' in his critique of Calvinism. But it is especially the
> Roman Catholic branch of Christianity that pushes its recurrent
> flirtation with polytheism towards runaway inflation. The Trinity, is
> joined by Mary, Queen of Heaven, a goddess in all but name, who surely
> runs God himself a close second as a target of prayers. The pantheon
> is further swollen by an army of saints, whose intercessory power
> makes them, if not demigods, well worth approaching on their own
> specialist subjects. The Catholic community forum hopefully lists
> 5,120 saints, together with their areas of expertise, which include
> abdominal pain, abuse victims, anorexia, arms dealers, blacksmiths,
> broken bones, bomb technicians and bowel disorders, to venture no
> further than the Bs.

Zajimave, ze Dawkinsova teze o "polyteismu" v tomto smyslu je tak
minoritni... Typicky je ji slyset jen od vasnivych kritiku a radobykritiku
(katolictvi)... Takova kritika ale nestaci.

> Pope John Paul II created more saints than all his predecessors of the
> past several centuries put together. And he had a special affinity
> with the Virgin Mary. His polytheistic hankerings were dramatically
> demonstrated in 1981 when he suffered an assassination attempt in
> Rome, and attributed his survival to intervention by Our Lady of
> Fatima, a maternal hand guided the bullet. One cannot help wondering
> why she didn't guide it to miss him altogether.

Mam na to jiny nazor. Kdyby kulka nezasahla, nebyla by to vec zkousky a
nasledneho milosrdenstvi. Pan Dawkins by to vsechno chtel mit velmi
jednoduche.

> Others might think the
> team of surgeons who operated on him for six hours deserved at least a
> share of the credit.

A nestalo se tak? Chce pan Dawkins rici, ze papez nebyl operaterum vdecny?

> But perhaps their hands too were maternally
> guided. The relevant point is that it wasn't just Our Lady, who in the
> Pope's opinion guided the bullet, but specifically Our Lady of Fatima.
> Presumably Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Guadeloupe, Our Lady of
> Medjugorje, Our Lady of Akita, Our Lady of Zeitoun, Our Lady of
> Garabandal, and Our Lady of Knock, were busy on other errands at the
> time.

Jak humorna je tato snaha byt vipny predstiranim hlouposti. Opravdovou
hloupost ale nezakryje.

> (Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion)

Jak muze dopadnout snaha zoologa byt na chvili religionistou? Mel zustat u
svych zvirat (i kdyz ta by mu mozna neprinesla tolik pozornosti a
materialniho zabezpeceni).

-pk-

Jiri Pecka

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On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:49:33 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>> Nemaji to ti chudaci krestane jednoduche, predstirat povrchni
>> monotheismus i kdyz praxe je uplne jina, s jejich tisici svatymi
>> ruznych profesnich specializaci, k nimz je mozno se separatne modlit
>> aby za nas expertne lobbyovali u samotneho Sefa.
>
>Pane Pecko, budte tak laskav a vygooglujte si hesla "krestan" a "katolik".
>Vas vseobecny prehled je opravdu ohromujici (a Vase snaha diskutovat o
>necem, cemu vubec nerozumite, taktez).

Jak se hned ti (nekteri) krestane durdi, kdyz se zacne mluvit o jejich
polytheismu. Za polytheismus se prece neni nutno stydet. Mozna, ze to
je castecne onen striktni monotheismus, proc Islam zustava i nadale
tak tezkopadny. Onen zarodek polytheismu mozna v sobe ma prece jenom
naznak urcite tolerance k pluralismu ideji - bez nichz by mozna nebylo
mozne oddelit nabozenstvi od statu coz se v krestanske spolecnosti
podarilo jak znamo ponekud drive.

>> Fatima, a maternal hand guided the bullet. One cannot help wondering
>> why she didn't guide it to miss him altogether.
>
>Mam na to jiny nazor. Kdyby kulka nezasahla, nebyla by to vec zkousky a
>nasledneho milosrdenstvi. Pan Dawkins by to vsechno chtel mit velmi
>jednoduche.

Vzdy me to rozveseli jak si krestane umeji pekne vysvetilt pocinani
naseho vsemohouciho, vsevedouciho a nanejvys milosrdneho Boha, ktery
porad zkousi nasi viru napriklad tim, ze nam laskyplne prinasi ruzne
nemoci a katastrofy. Sta tisic nevinnych lidi treba zahyne v tsunami
ci zemetreseni, a tech par co nahodou preziji dekuji Bohu, ze je sam
pred sebou zachranil. A dokonce i v tom vidi nejakou logiku. Inu
nevyzpytatelne jsou cesty Pane - a jeste nevyzpytatelnejsi jsou cesty
lidske pitomosti.

>> (Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion)
>
>Jak muze dopadnout snaha zoologa byt na chvili religionistou? Mel zustat u
>svych zvirat (i kdyz ta by mu mozna neprinesla tolik pozornosti a
>materialniho zabezpeceni).

To slysim poprve, ze v propagaci atesimu jsou penize. Vidite, a ja si
myslel, ze je tomu presne naopak. Inu ony bohate cirkve a kongregace
ktere dokonce neplati zadne dane jsou asi pouze vyjimkou. A skutecne
neni nad svetovou pozornost. Zvlaste od muslimskeho sveta. Napriklad
takovy Salman Rushdie by tohl mohl povidat...

Jiri Pecka

Petr Kovar

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Jiri Pecka <nos...@nospam.com> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:464534bd.7522140@news-server> (Sat, 12 May 2007 03:55:12 GMT):

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:49:33 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

(...)

>>Pane Pecko, budte tak laskav a vygooglujte si hesla "krestan" a "katolik".
>>Vas vseobecny prehled je opravdu ohromujici (a Vase snaha diskutovat o
>>necem, cemu vubec nerozumite, taktez).
>
> Jak se hned ti (nekteri) krestane durdi, kdyz se zacne mluvit o jejich
> polytheismu.

Nemuzete se divit, ze se "durdi". Poslouchat chytraky, jak pouzivaji slova,
o kterych ani nevi, co znamenaji, je dost obtizne.

(...)

>>Jak muze dopadnout snaha zoologa byt na chvili religionistou? Mel zustat u
>>svych zvirat (i kdyz ta by mu mozna neprinesla tolik pozornosti a
>>materialniho zabezpeceni).
>
> To slysim poprve, ze v propagaci atesimu jsou penize.

(...)

A proc by nemohly byt? Z principu? To snad ne...

-pk-

Jiri Pecka

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On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:04:05 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>>>Pane Pecko, budte tak laskav a vygooglujte si hesla "krestan" a "katolik".
>>>Vas vseobecny prehled je opravdu ohromujici (a Vase snaha diskutovat o
>>>necem, cemu vubec nerozumite, taktez).
>>
>> Jak se hned ti (nekteri) krestane durdi, kdyz se zacne mluvit o jejich
>> polytheismu.
>
>Nemuzete se divit, ze se "durdi". Poslouchat chytraky, jak pouzivaji slova,
>o kterych ani nevi, co znamenaji, je dost obtizne.

Ale co to melete hlupacku. Ja nahodou moc dobre vim, co je
polytheismus. Tak se honem pochlubte, ke kolika svatym jste se nam to
dnes pomodlil? A pomohlo to? Moc ne, ze jo.

>(...)
>
>>>Jak muze dopadnout snaha zoologa byt na chvili religionistou? Mel zustat u
>>>svych zvirat (i kdyz ta by mu mozna neprinesla tolik pozornosti a
>>>materialniho zabezpeceni).
>>
>> To slysim poprve, ze v propagaci atesimu jsou penize.
>
>(...)
>
>A proc by nemohly byt? Z principu? To snad ne...

Ale jisteze ano. A prave ze "z principu". Kam se podivate, tam dnesni
spolecnost nadrzuje theistum. Cimpak si cirkve zaslouzi sve nezdanene
prijmy? Aby podporovaly podobne pokrytecke prizivniky a svatouskovske
zlatokopy jako treba tyto?
http://www.gospelgrace.com/falseprophets/jimbakker/JimBakker.html

V Iranu jsou ateiste radi kdyz vyvaznou holym zivotem; v USA jsou
casto otevrene diskriminovani, a temer vsichni jsou nuceni svuj
ateismus skryvat.

Dokonce ani Boy Scouts v Americe mezi sebe neprijimaji ateisty. V
Arkansasu dokonce ateiste nemohou svedcit u soudu ci pracovat ve
statnich sluzbach, stejne tak i v Texasu, Tennessee, atd. atd.

Neni divu, ze uz toho zaciname mit pomalu dost.

A Vy mi tady budete s vaznou tvrdit, ze v propagaci ateismu jsou
penize?? Penize jsou a vzdy byly v nabozenstvi, mily zlaty Kovari.
Inu neni divu, za alkohol se take musi platit.

Jiri Pecka

------

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation.
But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have
been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made
them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"

"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the
Christian era? Where are fifty gospels condemned as spurious by the
bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are forty wagon-loads of Hebrew
manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because of
suspected heresy? Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition,
the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! horrible,
the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should
the Lion's Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy
lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years."

"Numberless have been the systems of iniquity The most refined,
sublime, extensive, and astonishing constitution of policy that ever
was conceived by the mind of man was framed by the Romish clergy for
the aggrandizement of their own Order They even persuaded mankind to
believe, faithfully and undoubtingly, that God Almighty had entrusted
them with the keys of heaven, whose gates they might open and close at
pleasure ... with authority to license all sorts of sins and Crimes
.. or withholding the rain of heaven and the beams of the sun; with
the management of earthquakes, pestilence, and famine; nay, with the
mysterious, awful, incomprehensible power of creating out of bread and
wine the flesh and blood of God himself. All these opinions they were
enabled to spread and rivet among the people by reducing their minds
to a state of sordid ignorance and staring timidity, and by infusing
into them a religious horror of letters and knowledge. Thus was human
nature chained fast for ages in a cruel, shameful, and deplorable
servitude...."

"Of all the nonsense and delusion which had ever passed through the
mind of man, none had ever been more extravagant than the notions of
absolutions, indelible characters, uninterrupted successions, and the
rest of those fantastical ideas, derived from the canon law, which had
thrown such a glare of mystery, sanctity, reverence, and right
reverend eminence and holiness around the idea of a priest as no
mortal could deserve ... the ridiculous fancies of sanctified effluvia
from episcopal fingers."

-- John Adams, Founding Father, 2nd President of USA

--------------------------

"I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor
should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God."

-- George H.W. Bush, 41st President of USA

--------------------------

"If you want to get rich, you start a religion."

-- L. Ron Hubbard (founder of the Church of Scientology,
multimillionaire)


Petr Kovar

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Jiri Pecka <nos...@nospam.com> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:464da35c.3465859@news-server> (Fri, 18 May 2007 13:34:53 GMT):

> On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:04:05 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

(...)

>>Nemuzete se divit, ze se "durdi". Poslouchat chytraky, jak pouzivaji slova,
>>o kterych ani nevi, co znamenaji, je dost obtizne.
>
> Ale co to melete hlupacku. Ja nahodou moc dobre vim, co je
> polytheismus. Tak se honem pochlubte, ke kolika svatym jste se nam to
> dnes pomodlil? A pomohlo to? Moc ne, ze jo.

Tak, mily Pecko, tato sva inteligentni slova, hodna dospeleho a dusevne
vyrovnaneho muze, si dobre zapamatujte, at se zase za nejaky cas nepokousite
poucovat oponenta o tom, ze sklouzavat k osobnim utokum je spatne.

(...)

>>A proc by nemohly byt? Z principu? To snad ne...
>
> Ale jisteze ano. A prave ze "z principu".

Jinde mi priznavate (pro jine) takovou banalitu, ze mezi ateisty nemusi byt
jen dobri (uprimni, konajici z nezistnych duvodu) lide. Tak to opravdu
nemusi. Takze proc z principu nemohou byt v pocinani ateistu penize? Opet
jedna mila kontradikce, ktera Vam nejakym nedopatrenim unikla.

> Kam se podivate, tam dnesni
> spolecnost nadrzuje theistum.

Vlastne mate pravdu. Teisty je totiz nutne chranit. Zvlaste po zkusenostech
s ateistickymi rezimy krute pronasledujicimi verici.

> Cimpak si cirkve zaslouzi sve nezdanene
> prijmy?

Ze by treba kvuli sve obecne uznavane celospolecenske prospesnosti, se
kterou nesouhlasi jen hrstka vztekajicich se militantne-ateistickych
extremistu (na cele s jednim zoologem, a take jednim premoudrym
Cechoaustralanem)?

(...)

> V Iranu jsou ateiste radi kdyz vyvaznou holym zivotem; v USA jsou
> casto otevrene diskriminovani, a temer vsichni jsou nuceni svuj
> ateismus skryvat.

A ja si myslel, jak jsou USA svobodnou a demokratickou zemi. A ona je to
takova tyranie? Nepovidejte?! Zda se, ze pro spolecensky nebezpecne xenofoby
z rad militantnich ateistu ani v USA neni misto. Co se da delat...

> Dokonce ani Boy Scouts v Americe mezi sebe neprijimaji ateisty. V
> Arkansasu dokonce ateiste nemohou svedcit u soudu ci pracovat ve
> statnich sluzbach, stejne tak i v Texasu, Tennessee, atd. atd.

No to je na povazenou! A jak je, prosim Vas, mozne, ze si jeste USA stale
rikaji nejdemokratictejsi zeme na svete? Vzdyt je to podvod. Chudaky ateisty
v USA malem vesi na kandelabrech, jak mi ted povidate. Jak to, ze se proti
tomu uz nezvedla celosvetova vlna nevole? Napriklad od ateistickych soudruhu
ze socialistickych raju? A nebo mi neco uniklo?

> Neni divu, ze uz toho zaciname mit pomalu dost.

No taky bylo na case, pane bojovniku. Do ulic! Jeste mi prosim napiste, kde
a kdy bych Vas mohl zastihnout, jak budete mavat se svymi ateistickymi
transparenty, rad bych si Vas prijel vyfotit.

> A Vy mi tady budete s vaznou tvrdit, ze v propagaci ateismu jsou
> penize?? Penize jsou a vzdy byly v nabozenstvi, mily zlaty Kovari.
> Inu neni divu, za alkohol se take musi platit.

A vite co, presvedcil jste me. (Ne, nemusite mi dekovat.) Pan Dawkins to
samozrejme musi myslet uprimne! Vzdyt je to ateista! (Ateiste Marx, Engels a
Lenin to take mysleli uprimne. I kdyz asi byli levoruci.)

-pk-

Jiri Pecka

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On Sat, 19 May 2007 00:56:04 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>>>Nemuzete se divit, ze se "durdi". Poslouchat chytraky, jak pouzivaji slova,
>>>o kterych ani nevi, co znamenaji, je dost obtizne.
>>
>> Ale co to melete hlupacku. Ja nahodou moc dobre vim, co je
>> polytheismus. Tak se honem pochlubte, ke kolika svatym jste se nam to
>> dnes pomodlil? A pomohlo to? Moc ne, ze jo.
>
>Tak, mily Pecko, tato sva inteligentni slova, hodna dospeleho a dusevne
>vyrovnaneho muze, si dobre zapamatujte, at se zase za nejaky cas nepokousite
>poucovat oponenta o tom, ze sklouzavat k osobnim utokum je spatne.

Takze vy mne muzete nahore nazvat "chytrakem", a hned se zacnete
durdite ze ja Vas po pravu nazvu pekne a laskyplne nazvu "hlupackem"?
Ale ale pane Kovari, kde je Vas proslaveny krestansky cit pro
spravedlnost? Co se rado ma to se skadliva, to nevite? ;-)

>Ze by treba kvuli sve obecne uznavane celospolecenske prospesnosti, se
>kterou nesouhlasi jen hrstka vztekajicich se militantne-ateistickych
>extremistu (na cele s jednim zoologem, a take jednim premoudrym
>Cechoaustralanem)?

Ale no tak, fuj, Petricku, utri si tu penu od pusinky, na tady mas
kapesnicek.

Jiri Pecka


Petr Kovar

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Jiri Pecka <nos...@nospam.com> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:464e8dd2.9598109@news-server> (Sat, 19 May 2007 05:51:15 GMT):

> On Sat, 19 May 2007 00:56:04 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

(...)

>>> Ale co to melete hlupacku. Ja nahodou moc dobre vim, co je
>>> polytheismus. Tak se honem pochlubte, ke kolika svatym jste se nam to
>>> dnes pomodlil? A pomohlo to? Moc ne, ze jo.
>>
>>Tak, mily Pecko, tato sva inteligentni slova, hodna dospeleho a dusevne
>>vyrovnaneho muze, si dobre zapamatujte, at se zase za nejaky cas nepokousite
>>poucovat oponenta o tom, ze sklouzavat k osobnim utokum je spatne.
>
> Takze vy mne muzete nahore nazvat "chytrakem", a hned se zacnete
> durdite ze ja Vas po pravu nazvu pekne a laskyplne nazvu "hlupackem"?
> Ale ale pane Kovari, kde je Vas proslaveny krestansky cit pro
> spravedlnost? Co se rado ma to se skadliva, to nevite? ;-)

Humor na okamzik stranou, pane Pecko. Zamerme se ted na Vasi "proslavenou"
ateistickou pamet a na to, jak jste mi tu velmi rozumne psal o nutnosti
neurazet, drzet se argumentu, vyvarovat se ad hominem. Pane Pecko, ja bych s
Vami i souhlasil, kdybyste se svymi urazkami a argumenti ad hominem sam
nezesmesnoval. To Vas pak neni mozne brat vazne.



>>Ze by treba kvuli sve obecne uznavane celospolecenske prospesnosti, se
>>kterou nesouhlasi jen hrstka vztekajicich se militantne-ateistickych
>>extremistu (na cele s jednim zoologem, a take jednim premoudrym
>>Cechoaustralanem)?
>
> Ale no tak, fuj, Petricku, utri si tu penu od pusinky, na tady mas
> kapesnicek.

Holt kdyz uz nejsou vecne argumenty, tak se nepohrdne ani trapnym
zesmesnovanim oponenta. Ano, opet velmi "racionalni", velmi "ateisticke".
Delate svym ateistickym soudruhum (rudym i nerudym) ostudu, tykajici pane.

-pk-

Jiri Pecka

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On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:59:38 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>>>> Ale co to melete hlupacku. Ja nahodou moc dobre vim, co je
>>>> polytheismus. Tak se honem pochlubte, ke kolika svatym jste se nam to
>>>> dnes pomodlil? A pomohlo to? Moc ne, ze jo.
>>>
>>>Tak, mily Pecko, tato sva inteligentni slova, hodna dospeleho a dusevne
>>>vyrovnaneho muze, si dobre zapamatujte, at se zase za nejaky cas nepokousite
>>>poucovat oponenta o tom, ze sklouzavat k osobnim utokum je spatne.
>>
>> Takze vy mne muzete nahore nazvat "chytrakem", a hned se zacnete
>> durdite ze ja Vas po pravu nazvu pekne a laskyplne nazvu "hlupackem"?
>> Ale ale pane Kovari, kde je Vas proslaveny krestansky cit pro
>> spravedlnost? Co se rado ma to se skadliva, to nevite? ;-)
>
>Humor na okamzik stranou, pane Pecko.

Momenticek, snad nam tim proboha nechcete naznacit, ze Vy mate nejaky
smysl pro humor? No to se Vam clovece fakt povedlo. ROTFL. (Valim se
smichy po zemi.)

>Zamerme se ted na Vasi "proslavenou"
>ateistickou pamet a na to, jak jste mi tu velmi rozumne psal o nutnosti
>neurazet, drzet se argumentu, vyvarovat se ad hominem. Pane Pecko, ja bych s
>Vami i souhlasil, kdybyste se svymi urazkami a argumenti ad hominem sam
>nezesmesnoval. To Vas pak neni mozne brat vazne.

Za prve, zamerme se na Vasi "proslavenou" krestanskou pamet: Asi jste
zapomnel jak vubec tato sahodlouha diskuse zacala - mou sarkastickou
poznamkou "Allah Akhbar" pod linkem na video s pateticky legracni
konverzi ceskeho "vedce" na islam. Nic jineho tam nebylo. Nacez
nasledoval *Vas* vztekly ad hominem vypad.

Za druhe, tento post jste moc nepochopil. Na Vase argumenty odpovidam
vecne a vazne pokud si to zaslouzi. Avsak Vase legracni detinske
tantrumy, vztekle vypady a rozlicna svatouskovska pokrytectvi, kterymi
tady na mne ve sve zmatene a domyslive prchlivosti plivate, si vaznou
a vecnou odpoved nezaslouzi.

>>>Ze by treba kvuli sve obecne uznavane celospolecenske prospesnosti, se
>>>kterou nesouhlasi jen hrstka vztekajicich se militantne-ateistickych
>>>extremistu (na cele s jednim zoologem, a take jednim premoudrym
>>>Cechoaustralanem)?
>>
>> Ale no tak, fuj, Petricku, utri si tu penu od pusinky, na tady mas
>> kapesnicek.
>
>Holt kdyz uz nejsou vecne argumenty, tak se nepohrdne ani trapnym
>zesmesnovanim oponenta. Ano, opet velmi "racionalni", velmi "ateisticke".
>Delate svym ateistickym soudruhum (rudym i nerudym) ostudu, tykajici pane.

"Vecne argumenty"? Vy tedy nazyvate Vasi retoriku o "chytracich", o
"celosvetove prospesnosti", o "vztekajicich se militantne-ateistickych
extremistech" a o "premoudrych Cechoaustralanech" nejakymi "vecnymi
argumenty"?

Ale no tak, tak uz nam tu nasi extremni moudrost porad nezavid,
Petricku: Kazdy prece nemuze byt celosvetove prospesny tak jako my,
militantni ateiste. Holt na to chlapce sice rozoumek nemas, ale i
takovy zapskly pambickar jako jsi ty muze byt nekdy i docela hodny a
uzitecny clovek. Zitra je nedele, takze bez pekne zitra rano do
kostelicka, pekne se tam pomodli, vyzpovidej se, postezuj si na mne
panu fararovi, a bude ti zase dobre.

Jiri Pecka

Petr Kovar

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Jiri Pecka <nos...@nospam.com> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:46580898.7339687@news-server> (Sat, 26 May 2007 10:37:52 GMT):

> On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:59:38 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

(...)

>>Humor na okamzik stranou, pane Pecko.
>
> Momenticek, snad nam tim proboha nechcete naznacit, ze Vy mate nejaky
> smysl pro humor? No to se Vam clovece fakt povedlo. ROTFL. (Valim se
> smichy po zemi.)

Jak bych take mohl nejaky smysl pro humor mit, ze ano. Vzdyt je vseobecne
znamo, ze i ten humor si, vedle rozumu, jiz pred nejakym casem patentovali
nanejvys racionalni ateiste.

>>Zamerme se ted na Vasi "proslavenou"
>>ateistickou pamet a na to, jak jste mi tu velmi rozumne psal o nutnosti
>>neurazet, drzet se argumentu, vyvarovat se ad hominem. Pane Pecko, ja bych s
>>Vami i souhlasil, kdybyste se svymi urazkami a argumenti ad hominem sam
>>nezesmesnoval. To Vas pak neni mozne brat vazne.
>
> Za prve, zamerme se na Vasi "proslavenou" krestanskou pamet: Asi jste
> zapomnel jak vubec tato sahodlouha diskuse zacala - mou sarkastickou
> poznamkou "Allah Akhbar" pod linkem na video s pateticky legracni
> konverzi ceskeho "vedce" na islam. Nic jineho tam nebylo. Nacez
> nasledoval *Vas* vztekly ad hominem vypad.

Mozna jste chtel byt "sarkasticky", ale byl jste, jako obvykle, jen trapny,
a proto jsem tehdy zareagoval.

> Za druhe, tento post jste moc nepochopil. Na Vase argumenty odpovidam
> vecne a vazne pokud si to zaslouzi. Avsak Vase legracni detinske
> tantrumy, vztekle vypady a rozlicna svatouskovska pokrytectvi, kterymi
> tady na mne ve sve zmatene a domyslive prchlivosti plivate, si vaznou
> a vecnou odpoved nezaslouzi.

Nejakou vymluvu si kvuli svym vulgarismum jiste opatrit potrebujete, ale
tato ma zrovna hacek v tom, ze to, co oznacujete za "legracni detinske


tantrumy, vztekle vypady a rozlicna svatouskovska pokrytectvi, kterymi tady

na mne ve sve zmatene a domyslive prchlivosti (zde jste se asi spletl ve
slovicku, pozn. P. K.) plivate", jsou prave ty argumenty, na ktere byste,
podle sveho vlastniho poucovani, nemel reagovat urazkami. Ale mozna, ze ten
zakaz argumenti ad hominem v diskusi pro ateisty neplati...

(...)

>>Holt kdyz uz nejsou vecne argumenty, tak se nepohrdne ani trapnym
>>zesmesnovanim oponenta. Ano, opet velmi "racionalni", velmi "ateisticke".
>>Delate svym ateistickym soudruhum (rudym i nerudym) ostudu, tykajici pane.
>
> "Vecne argumenty"? Vy tedy nazyvate Vasi retoriku o "chytracich", o
> "celosvetove prospesnosti", o "vztekajicich se militantne-ateistickych
> extremistech" a o "premoudrych Cechoaustralanech" nejakymi "vecnymi
> argumenty"?

Vyloucil jste snad nekde a nejak, ze nemam pravdu? Nikoliv. Pouze jste se
vzmohl na urazeni, a to jeste na intelektualni urovni 15leteho ditete (viz
take a opet nize).

> Ale no tak, tak uz nam tu nasi extremni moudrost porad nezavid,
> Petricku: Kazdy prece nemuze byt celosvetove prospesny tak jako my,
> militantni ateiste. Holt na to chlapce sice rozoumek nemas, ale i
> takovy zapskly pambickar jako jsi ty muze byt nekdy i docela hodny a
> uzitecny clovek. Zitra je nedele, takze bez pekne zitra rano do
> kostelicka, pekne se tam pomodli, vyzpovidej se, postezuj si na mne
> panu fararovi, a bude ti zase dobre.

No vidite, jak jste svou opetovnou vulgarni ubohosti pekne potvrdil ma
slova. Ale dekovat Vam nebudu, od dekovani jsou tady zase jini...

-pk-

Jiri Pecka

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On Wed, 30 May 2007 02:12:19 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>>>Humor na okamzik stranou, pane Pecko.
>>
>> Momenticek, snad nam tim proboha nechcete naznacit, ze Vy mate nejaky
>> smysl pro humor? No to se Vam clovece fakt povedlo. ROTFL. (Valim se
>> smichy po zemi.)
>
>Jak bych take mohl nejaky smysl pro humor mit, ze ano. Vzdyt je vseobecne
>znamo, ze i ten humor si, vedle rozumu, jiz pred nejakym casem patentovali
>nanejvys racionalni ateiste.

Presne tak. Smysl pro humor je vam pambickarum naprosto cizi. A kdyby
oni Allahovi sebevrazedni atentatnici meli trochu smyslu pro humor,
tak by se 9/11 asi nikdy nestal. Vy se totiz vsichni berete ach tak
strasne vazne, s tim vasim jedine pravym bohem, ktery vas porad
zachmurene pozoruje a tresta vas kdyz se k nemu nahodou (nedejboze!)
zapomenete pomodlit. A kdyz vam nekdo obcas ukaze na jake ze to
hovadne nesmysly verite, tak rvete a mlatite kolem sebe jako by vam
spadly hracky do kanalu.

>No vidite, jak jste svou opetovnou vulgarni ubohosti pekne potvrdil ma
>slova. Ale dekovat Vam nebudu, od dekovani jsou tady zase jini...

Ale jen se nam tu neposer Petricku. A utri se ten sopilek z nosanku.
Vzdycky se ti tam udela svicicka kdyz zacnes soptit proti tem
militantnim ateistum.

Jiri Pecka

Petr Kovar

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Jiri Pecka <nos...@nospam.com> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:465d6178.6508953@news-server> (Wed, 30 May 2007 11:41:22 GMT):

> On Wed, 30 May 2007 02:12:19 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

(...)

>>Jak bych take mohl nejaky smysl pro humor mit, ze ano. Vzdyt je vseobecne
>>znamo, ze i ten humor si, vedle rozumu, jiz pred nejakym casem patentovali
>>nanejvys racionalni ateiste.
>
> Presne tak. Smysl pro humor je vam pambickarum naprosto cizi. A kdyby
> oni Allahovi sebevrazedni atentatnici meli trochu smyslu pro humor,
> tak by se 9/11 asi nikdy nestal. Vy se totiz vsichni berete ach tak
> strasne vazne, s tim vasim jedine pravym bohem, ktery vas porad
> zachmurene pozoruje a tresta vas kdyz se k nemu nahodou (nedejboze!)
> zapomenete pomodlit. A kdyz vam nekdo obcas ukaze na jake ze to
> hovadne nesmysly verite, tak rvete a mlatite kolem sebe jako by vam
> spadly hracky do kanalu.

Vy si opravdu nevidite do huby, vidte?

>>No vidite, jak jste svou opetovnou vulgarni ubohosti pekne potvrdil ma
>>slova. Ale dekovat Vam nebudu, od dekovani jsou tady zase jini...
>
> Ale jen se nam tu neposer Petricku. A utri se ten sopilek z nosanku.
> Vzdycky se ti tam udela svicicka kdyz zacnes soptit proti tem
> militantnim ateistum.

Kolik je Vam vlastne let? Takoveto reakce bych cekal od pubescentu.

-pk-

Jiri Pecka

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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:22:19 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>> Presne tak. Smysl pro humor je vam pambickarum naprosto cizi. A kdyby
>> oni Allahovi sebevrazedni atentatnici meli trochu smyslu pro humor,
>> tak by se 9/11 asi nikdy nestal. Vy se totiz vsichni berete ach tak
>> strasne vazne, s tim vasim jedine pravym bohem, ktery vas porad
>> zachmurene pozoruje a tresta vas kdyz se k nemu nahodou (nedejboze!)
>> zapomenete pomodlit. A kdyz vam nekdo obcas ukaze na jake ze to
>> hovadne nesmysly verite, tak rvete a mlatite kolem sebe jako by vam
>> spadly hracky do kanalu.
>
>Vy si opravdu nevidite do huby, vidte?

No to se podivejme kdo nam to tady kaze. No ale mam radost, ze jste se
v tom predchozim paragrafu poznal.

>>>No vidite, jak jste svou opetovnou vulgarni ubohosti pekne potvrdil ma
>>>slova. Ale dekovat Vam nebudu, od dekovani jsou tady zase jini...
>>
>> Ale jen se nam tu neposer Petricku. A utri se ten sopilek z nosanku.
>> Vzdycky se ti tam udela svicicka kdyz zacnes soptit proti tem
>> militantnim ateistum.
>
>Kolik je Vam vlastne let? Takoveto reakce bych cekal od pubescentu.

Kdo seje vitr, sklizi bouri. Vy jste tu ve sve bohorovne nadrazenosti
zaseval ustepacne urazky a ted sklizite posmech na urovni, ktera je
Vam skutecne primerena. Aspon to tak poradne pochopite.

Jiri Pecka

Petr Kovar

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Jiri Pecka <nos...@nospam.com> pise ve svem prispevku
<news:4665511c.9818531@news-server> (Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:06:20 GMT):

> On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:22:19 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

(...)

>>Vy si opravdu nevidite do huby, vidte?
>
> No to se podivejme kdo nam to tady kaze. No ale mam radost, ze jste se
> v tom predchozim paragrafu poznal.

No to vite ze jo...

(...)

>>Kolik je Vam vlastne let? Takoveto reakce bych cekal od pubescentu.
>
> Kdo seje vitr, sklizi bouri.

... republiku si rozvracet nedame! Presne tak, soudruhu Pecko! :-)

> Vy jste tu ve sve bohorovne nadrazenosti
> zaseval ustepacne urazky a ted sklizite posmech na urovni, ktera je
> Vam skutecne primerena. Aspon to tak poradne pochopite.

A to Vam nevadi vystupovat tady na urovni pubertaka? Ale mozna Vam to je
skutecne primerene... ?

-pk-

Jiri Pecka

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:18:24 +0200, Petr Kovar <pm...@quick.cz> wrote:

>A to Vam nevadi vystupovat tady na urovni pubertaka? Ale mozna Vam to je
>skutecne primerene... ?

Ale kakraholte uz, pane Kovari, kakraholte.

Jiri Pecka


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