Can an exception be made?
fyf...@gmail.com
Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
smuggling.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/12/24/world/international-uk-britain-china-drugs.html?_r=2
The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
process.
Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
speaking English properly to the Chinese!
This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
proper accent, an exception could be made.
Roy
> LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> smuggling.
>
>
> The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> process.
>
> Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
>
> Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
> between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
> somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
> speaking English properly to the Chinese!
>
> This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
> shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
> approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
> proper accent, an exception could be made.
==
You ARE a real twit.
==
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
You mean that Gordon Brown is doing exactly what the Chinese tried to do
in Canada?
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
Seon Ferguson
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The facist Chinese don't like it when another country tells them what to do.
But they think it's ok to tell Australia not to show a movie or allow the
Dali Lama entry.
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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apparently, the english language is a sore point for you...
fyf...@gmail.com
> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1a1b4ccf-f2ba-4662...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> > Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> > smuggling.
>
>
> > The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> > government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> > process.
>
> > Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> > government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> > with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> > request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> > with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
>
> > Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
> > between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
> > somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
> > speaking English properly to the Chinese!
>
> > This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
> > shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
> > approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
> > proper accent, an exception could be made.
>
> The facist Chinese don't like it when another country tells them what to do.
> But they think it's ok to tell Australia not to show a movie or allow the
>
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No one likes to be told what to do. The ones with more military
muscles, like the US, would care less...
fyf...@gmail.com
> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1a1b4ccf-f2ba-4662...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> > Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> > smuggling.
>
>
> > The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> > government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> > process.
>
> > Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> > government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> > with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> > request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> > with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
>
> > Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
> > between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
> > somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
> > speaking English properly to the Chinese!
>
> > This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
> > shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
> > approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
> > proper accent, an exception could be made.
>
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(A)pparently, the (E)nglish language is a sore point for you.
I think it is in fact for you.
fyf...@gmail.com
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PICK ONE FOR YOURSELF BELOW:
blockhead, dolt, donkey, dope, dunce, fool, idiot, imbecile, jackass,
jerk*, nitwit, numbskull, simpleton*, twit
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> apparently, the english language is a sore point for you...- ??????? -
>>
>> - ??????? -
>
> (A)pparently, the (E)nglish language is a sore point for you.
>
> I think it is in fact for you.
lol... your fixation on style betrays your capacity for substance... ;-)
fyf...@gmail.com
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Yours has zero substance...
Eunometic
> LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> smuggling.
>
>
> The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> process.
>
The guy is an inbred paki pseudo-brit, it is however a matter of
principle.
However that aside the question in terms of western law is
1 Was he suffering from mental illness at the time, ie delusions
brought about by schizephrenia.
2 He was carrying drugs however was he knowlingly carrying drugs and
did he have the intent to break the law.
I do not know if china shows mercy to the mentally ill, I doubt there
is much except in the most obvious cases. I do not know if china
allows the benefit of the doubt.
Given the history of extreme punishments and executions and sentences
for political activities and criticisms I have little faith in chinese
law. Chinese law is clearly not independant from the government and
serves the aims of the communist party of china.
> Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
>
> Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
> between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
> somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
> speaking English properly to the Chinese!
Gordom Brown is a politically correct git. If he were a White Brit he
would put in little effort and hope the issue would go away. Because
he is of pakistani origin he must be seen to be not to discriminate.
In a death penalty case however a western politician must put in some
effort.
>
> This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
> shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
> approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
> proper accent, an exception could be made.
Haha
fyf...@gmail.com
You write with the style of a Paki immigrant's....
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yours has zero substance...
lol... considering how you have never demonstrated any substance in any of
your posts, I'm not surprised at your inability to recognize it... ;-)
B J Foster
> On 12月29日, 上午10时31分, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1a1b4ccf-f2ba-4662...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>> LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
>>> Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
>>> smuggling.
>> But they think it's ok to tell Australia not to show a movie or allow the
>> Dali Lama entry.- 隐藏被引用文字 -
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>
> No one likes to be told what to do.
But especially fascists.
Eunometic
>
so so you.
fyf...@gmail.com
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Add 'in *my* opinion' or ' according to what *I* have observed...'.
The omission of these qualifiers to avoid cliches would render you to
be an unintellectual, whose brain capacity suffices to teach 'oral'
English in an underdeveloped country.
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Add 'in *my* opinion' or ' according to what *I* have observed...'.
> The omission of these qualifiers to avoid cliches would render you to
> be an unintellectual, whose brain capacity suffices to teach 'oral'
> English in an underdeveloped country.
lol... an opinion borne of a mind lacking substance also apparently lacks
the imagination to invent new insults, rather than rehash the same, tired
projections you indulge in with your obsession for teaching english in
under-developed countries... such a pedantic mind as yours also remains
pathetically unaware that you've merely reinforced the observation I made
about your insecurity with the english language in the very first post...
thanks for being predictably stupid enough to prove my point, fiefgoon....
;-)
Seon Ferguson
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And China's Military muscle is our economy. But the "People's army" could
still do some damage.
Krudd the Dud
>LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
>Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
>smuggling.
Great news!
Death to all drug smugglers.
chatnoir
> LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> smuggling.
>
>
> The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> process.
>
> Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> request
on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> with the independent legal system in Canada.
Makes no sense!
chatnoir
> On Dec 29, 1:15 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> > Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> > smuggling.
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/12/24/world/international-uk-brit...
>
> > The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> > government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> > process.
>
> The guy is an inbred paki pseudo-brit, it is however a matter of
> principle.
And Chian is skilled at executing its own people - many who have just
and opion!:
http://laogai.org/system/files/u1/deathbig.jpg
fyf...@gmail.com
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Actually, your English is too good to allow you to teach English in
underdeveloped countries. Then remain as a janitor in a developed
country.
Chom Noamsky
Canada will not exradite to nations that have the death penalty. Canada
won't send criminals back to China knowing they will be executed.
However, our idiotic PM Harper changed that policy to jurisdictions with
full democracy... Canada extradited at least one person (a Canadian I
think) to possible death penalty. So the Harper gov't is only half
Chinese, if they would just ignore the democracy qualifier they could be
full Chinese.
Everyone knows justice in China is a joke:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/21/international/asia/21confess.html
fyf...@gmail.com
> fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
> > LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> > Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> > smuggling.
>
>
> > The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> > government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> > process.
>
> > Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> > government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> > with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> > request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> > with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
>
> > Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
> > between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
> > somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
> > speaking English properly to the Chinese!
>
> > This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
> > shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
> > approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
> > proper accent, an exception could be made.
>
> Canada will not exradite to nations that have the death penalty. Canada
> won't send criminals back to China knowing they will be executed.
> However, our idiotic PM Harper changed that policy to jurisdictions with
> full democracy... Canada extradited at least one person (a Canadian I
> think) to possible death penalty. So the Harper gov't is only half
> Chinese, if they would just ignore the democracy qualifier they could be
> full Chinese.
>
> Everyone knows justice in China is a joke:
>
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'Everyone' knows Chom Noamsky, who resorts to cliches for debate, is
an unintellectual acting like an intellectual.
Go and teach English in an underdeveloped country; join that crowd.....
David Johnston
>LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
>Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
>smuggling.
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/12/24/world/international-uk-britain-china-drugs.html?_r=2
>
>The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
>government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
>process.
Not entirely correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
A pardon is the forgiveness of a crime and the penalty associated with
it. It is granted by a head of state, such as a monarch or president,
or by a competent church authority. Clemency is an associated term,
meaning the lessening of the penalty of the crime without forgiving
the crime itself. The act of clemency is a reprieve. Today, pardons
and reprieves are granted in many countries when individuals have
demonstrated that they have fulfilled their debt to society, or are
otherwise deserving (in the opinion of the pardoning official) of a
pardon or reprieve. Pardons are sometimes offered to persons who claim
they have been wrongfully convicted. Some believe accepting such a
pardon implicitly constitutes an admission of guilt, so in some cases
the offer is refused (cases of wrongful conviction are nowadays more
often dealt with by appeal than by pardon).
Clemency is often requested by foreign governments that do not
practice capital punishment when one of their citizens has been
sentenced to death by a foreign nation that does practice it.
Chom Noamsky
> 'Everyone' knows Chom Noamsky, who resorts to cliches for debate, is
> an unintellectual acting like an intellectual.
>
> Go and teach English in an underdeveloped country; join that crowd.....
Yes, defensive ad-hominem attacks like yours are very intellectual.
Justice in China is a joke, that's why Canada has no extradition
agreement with China. We send criminals to face justice in nations
where we know they will get a fair trial, and the false conviction rate
in China is just absurd. Fix your own Micky Mouse judicial system
before you criticize others.
Free Tibet
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macksamillion
> <fyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
>>Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
>>smuggling.
"Krudd the Dud" <never.make.a....@gutless.wonder.com> wrote in message
news:25ijj5pucacurst0f...@4ax.com...
> Great news!
>
> Death to all drug smugglers.
You bet. China never executes anyone unless they're guilty, do they? You're a
Conservative, aren't you?
fyf...@gmail.com
Your point that the Chinese judicial system is far from being fair is
relevant,
but that you ascribed it to be "your own Micky Mouse..." is an
unintellectual statement
for the following reasons:
(1) How do you know your interlocutor is a Chinese?
(2) Even if your interlocutor is a person holding a Chinese passport
or is an ethnic Chinese, it does
not mean he created the system himself and thus should be
responsible for or in the position of
fixing the legal system. Is your last name Noamsky a Russian
name? Can you fix the unfair judiciary
system in Russia or wherever your last name belongs to. You are
an UNintellectual pretending to
be an intellectual and venture into international forum to debate
without the needed intellectual
qualifications. I recommend you to go and teach English because
that is where your intellectual
calibre is best used....in underdeveloped countries, not in Canada
where the requirement is much
greater.
fyf...@gmail.com
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And you have dark skin too....right?
klunk
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>> ;-)- ??????? -
>>
>> - ??????? -
>
> Actually, your English is too good to allow you to teach English in
> underdeveloped countries. Then remain as a janitor in a developed
> country.
actually, I wouldn't want to displace you from your livelihood... ;-)
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 12?30?, ??12?54?, Chom Noamsky <d...@bark.grrrr> wrote:
>> fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > 'Everyone' knows Chom Noamsky, who resorts to cliches for debate, is
>> > an unintellectual acting like an intellectual.
>>
>> > Go and teach English in an underdeveloped country; join that crowd.....
>>
>> Yes, defensive ad-hominem attacks like yours are very intellectual.
>> Justice in China is a joke, that's why Canada has no extradition
>> agreement with China. We send criminals to face justice in nations
>> where we know they will get a fair trial, and the false conviction rate
>> in China is just absurd. Fix your own Micky Mouse judicial system
>> before you criticize others.
>
> Your point that the Chinese judicial system is far from being fair is
> relevant,
no, actually... it's right on point... but, since all you seem capable of is
tossing out feeble defenses for an abhorrent government, you just can't
handle the truth about its inherent evil... because, you ARE an evil little
troll yourself.... ;-)
> but that you ascribed it to be "your own Micky Mouse..." is an
> unintellectual statement
> for the following reasons:
> (1) How do you know your interlocutor is a Chinese?
because you've admitted it, idiot....
> (2) Even if your interlocutor is a person holding a Chinese passport
> or is an ethnic Chinese, it does
> not mean he created the system himself and thus should be
> responsible for or in the position of
> fixing the legal system.
either you're going to grow some balls and take responsibility for your
perpetual defense of an evil empire or you're going to continue making
insipid posts defending it and then running away from the content of your
posts... clearly, the coward's way is your way.... ;-)
> Is your last name Noamsky a Russian
> name? Can you fix the unfair judiciary
> system in Russia or wherever your last name belongs to. You are
> an UNintellectual pretending to
> be an intellectual and venture into international forum to debate
> without the needed intellectual
> qualifications. I recommend you to go and teach English because
> that is where your intellectual
> calibre is best used....in underdeveloped countries, not in Canada
> where the requirement is much
> greater.
lol... telling people to go teach english only demonstrates two things:
1. you're too stupid to invent real insults... and
2. you truly ARE intimidated by the language...
... which, of course leads to a third conclusion; that you are one entirely
pitiful shell of a human being... perhaps you should go to your masters and
beg for your balls back because you accomplish nothing mors than to
perpetually embarrass yourself on these forums... ;-)
ltlee1
> fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
> > LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> > Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> > smuggling.
>
Please tell what you mean by "everyone". It is obvious that your
"everyone"
does not include most of the Chinese people. Concerning about western
journalist written about China, it is well known that such articles
are not
always accurate or relevant. And they made up things from time to
time.
In general, the quality of journalism is only as good as its audience.
Since most
westerners, including Canadians, know little about China and Chinese,
articles
written for western consumption are usually of low quality. Simple
reasons: If
the journalist has made a maistake, the readers probably would not
notice that.
Low quality writtings with mistakes would be well received by ignorant
readers
as accurate description of events.
In addition, western media are mostly for profit organizations.
Journalism is no
more than a mean to an end of maximizing owners' purse. Truth,
needless to
say, had become, at most, a secondary concern.
And of course, western journalist had become temproarily when written
about
China.
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fyf...@gmail.com
> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I have never done any serious study of the legal system anywhere.
Thus I am not
able to support or defend it. That you have mentioned my defending a
legal system
is an admission of your ignorance.
Go teach English; join that crowd.
>
> > Is your last name Noamsky a Russian
> > name? Can you fix the unfair judiciary
> > system in Russia or wherever your last name belongs to. You are
> > an UNintellectual pretending to
> > be an intellectual and venture into international forum to debate
> > without the needed intellectual
> > qualifications. I recommend you to go and teach English because
> > that is where your intellectual
> > calibre is best used....in underdeveloped countries, not in Canada
> > where the requirement is much
> > greater.
>
> lol... telling people to go teach english only demonstrates two things:
> 1. you're too stupid to invent real insults... and
> 2. you truly ARE intimidated by the language...
>
> ... which, of course leads to a third conclusion; that you are one entirely
> pitiful shell of a human being... perhaps you should go to your masters and
> beg for your balls back because you accomplish nothing mors than to
> perpetually embarrass yourself on these forums... ;-)- 隐藏被引用文字 -
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> >>LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> >>Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> >>smuggling.
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Is that guy put to death a 'freedom and democracy' fighter?
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I was once a janitor many years ago when i was a student. Thus your
taking up that
job NOW instead of going to an underdeveloped country to teach 'oral'
English does not bother
me a bit.
fyf...@gmail.com
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Usually the intellectually unsophisticated, from what I have observed,
have a penchant
to use 'cliches' in an attempt to validate what they wish to state.
This is why I encourage
Mr. Noamsky to go to an underdeveloped country to teach 'oral' English.
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I was once a janitor many years ago when i was a student. Thus your
> taking up that
> job NOW instead of going to an underdeveloped country to teach 'oral'
> English does not bother
> me a bit.
...and yet... you seem to believe that either of those scenarios constitutes
something resembling cleverness as an insult... how pitiful... ;-)
fyf...@gmail.com
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There is nothing pitiful about it. Are you suggesting you look down
upon a job with
proletarian honor?
DM
> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1a1b4ccf-f2ba-4662...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> > Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> > smuggling.
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/12/24/world/international-uk-brit...
>
> > The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> > government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> > process.
>
> > Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> > government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> > with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> > request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> > with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
>
> > Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
> > between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
> > somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
> > speaking English properly to the Chinese!
>
> > This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
> > shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
> > approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
> > proper accent, an exception could be made.
>
> But they think it's ok to tell Australia not to show a movie or allow the
> Dali Lama entry.
Every country has the right to tell any other country what to do.
Of course every country also has the right to tell another to stick
its opinions up its arse.
Thats why we have different countries.
DM
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> There is nothing pitiful about it. Are you suggesting you look down
> upon a job with
> proletarian honor?
lol... your response was either a reflection of your incompetence with the
english language or your fear of introspection... my money's on both being
true... ;-)
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I am quite certain that your assertion applies to most subjects... ;-)
> Thus I am not
> able to support or defend it.
clearly, you are incapable of defending, but you do support the evil which
is the government china with practically every one of your insipid posts...
> That you have mentioned my defending a
> legal system
> is an admission of your ignorance.
that you forward an inept interpretation of a legal process then try to
dissociate yourself from your own words is a much louder admission of
yours... ;-)
> Go teach English; join that crowd.
that you continue go hurl such a compliment as an inept attempt at invective
only further demonstrates your ignorance... ;-)
>
>>
>> > Is your last name Noamsky a Russian
>> > name? Can you fix the unfair judiciary
>> > system in Russia or wherever your last name belongs to. You are
>> > an UNintellectual pretending to
>> > be an intellectual and venture into international forum to debate
>> > without the needed intellectual
>> > qualifications. I recommend you to go and teach English because
>> > that is where your intellectual
>> > calibre is best used....in underdeveloped countries, not in Canada
>> > where the requirement is much
>> > greater.
>>
>> lol... telling people to go teach english only demonstrates two things:
>> 1. you're too stupid to invent real insults... and
>> 2. you truly ARE intimidated by the language...
>>
>> ... which, of course leads to a third conclusion; that you are one
>> entirely
>> pitiful shell of a human being... perhaps you should go to your masters
>> and
>> beg for your balls back because you accomplish nothing mors than to
>> perpetually embarrass yourself on these forums... ;-)- ??????? -
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>
klunk
"ltlee1" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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..because... as you and fiefgoon are evidence of, such citizens have been
indoctrinated to believe only that which has been sanctioned by a repressive
regime.... ;-)
> Concerning about western
> journalist written about China, it is well known that such articles
> are not
> always accurate or relevant. And they made up things from time to
> time.
that's an argument which applies to every written word in history and is
thus not a defense for the essence of what we know to be true about china's
government being a repressive regime... were you not so indoctrinated with
national blindness, you would realize that although details may be rife with
inaccuracies, the essence remains... ;-)
> In general, the quality of journalism is only as good as its audience.
lol... nope... quality in journalism can be measured independently by
criteria which bear no relevance to audience such as completeness, accuracy,
timeliness and composition... your attempt to tie two disparate phenomena
into one excuse for disavowing uncomfortable truths about the evil
government of china only reinforces the extent of indoctrination you have
allowed to permeate your consciousness... ;-)
> Since most
> westerners, including Canadians, know little about China and Chinese,
> articles
which is nothing more than a sweepingly generic claim based upon nothing
more than a subjective opinion... iow... an entirely meaningless statement
designed to accomplish nothing more than make you feel good about yourself
by denigrating others...
> written for western consumption are usually of low quality. Simple
> reasons: If
> the journalist has made a maistake, the readers probably would not
> notice that.
an assumption which demonstrates how little you know of the process of
journalism...
> Low quality writtings with mistakes would be well received by ignorant
> readers
> as accurate description of events.
more meaningless gibberish which accomplishes nothing more than to mitigate
the pain of your ignorance through the denigration of others.... for
example; try to understand how such an accusation of ignorance also applies
to you... manifested most particularly in the manner which you have
constructed insipid arguments borne of ignorance not insight... ;-)
> In addition, western media are mostly for profit organizations.
> Journalism is no
> more than a mean to an end of maximizing owners' purse. Truth,
> needless to
> say, had become, at most, a secondary concern.
there is profit in providing truth to a public which seeks it... and more
truth to be had in such a profit-based model than in one which is controlled
by the state...
> And of course, western journalist had become temproarily when written
> about
> China.
and, of course, this last statement amounts to nothing more than sheer
gibberish which perfectly sums up your capacity for forming rational
arguments.... ;-)
Seon Ferguson
"DM" <d-m...@adfa.edu.au> wrote in message
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True and luckily we have done that to the fascist Chinese on a number of
occasions. Personally I'd say shove it up your arse but shove it is more
diplomatic.
> DM
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I have already elevated you above teaching 'oral' English in
underdeveloped countries.
klunk
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> I have already elevated you above teaching 'oral' English in
> underdeveloped countries.
the mere fact that you respond to my posts is an elevation of me and a
denigration of yourself... but, I am quite certain you are too stupid to
understand how this phenomenon works... let alone change it to achieve the
opposite result... which is a phenomenon approaching something like your
attempts at invective actually resulting in compliments... ;-)
fyf...@gmail.com
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> and summary execution, there is no chance any rational, thinking person
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You are correct when cases of a political nature are tried but you are
not correct to say
that the courts in China are unfair for trying cases of drug
smuggling, homocide
and raping, etc..
klunk
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> You are correct when cases of a political nature are tried but you are
> not correct to say
> that the courts in China are unfair for trying cases of drug
> smuggling, homocide
> and raping, etc..
.... because justice only applies to one category of crime and not the
other...?....
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your opinion is as what it is as long as you qualified your statements
as being
your own rather than cliches.
fyf...@gmail.com
How do you know that Itlee and fyfpoon are the citizens of a
repressive regime?
Your continued use of unqualified statements would lead me to delegate
you
to 'teaching 'oral' English in underdeveloped countries'.
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> > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:15:02 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com"
> > <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> >>Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> >>smuggling.
>
>
> > Great news!
>
> > Death to all drug smugglers.
>
> You bet. China never executes anyone unless they're guilty, do they? You're a
> Conservative, aren't you?
Is there a court system in the world in which not a single case of
mistrial has taken place?
fyf...@gmail.com
Are you suggesting that you don't deserve a reply? And that you
should be ignored?
but, I am quite certain you are too stupid to
> understand how this phenomenon works... let alone change it to achieve the
> opposite result... which is a phenomenon approaching something like your
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Can you document those criminal cases in China that are not fair?
I am sure you can easily document the cases of a political nature. \
Go teach 'oral' English in underdeveloped countries.
Fran
> LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> smuggling.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/12/24/world/international-uk-brit...
>
> The West has always been proud of its legal tradition in that a
> government cannot interfere with the independent status of a legal
> process.
>
> Some years ago, the Beijing government requested the Canadian
> government to extradite a commercial theft who ran away from China
> with billions of dollars, but the Canadian government declined that
> request on the basis that the government of Canada could not interfere
> with the independent legal system in Canada. That is fine!
>
> Lately, Gordon Brown of UK seems to have forgotten this sensitive link
> between the government and the legal system and believed that somehow
> somewhere in China things could be muddled through simply by way of
> speaking English properly to the Chinese!
>
> This criminal, who is a holder of a British passport, is going to be
> shot on Dec 29 in China. Perhaps if the human right activitists could
> approach the Beijing government and speak English properly and with a
> proper accent, an exception could be made.
I’m against capital punishment anywhere at any time including for
those guilty of truly heinous crimes on a large scale. Yet capital
punishment is either just or it is not, and if the latter is the case
then it should not be merely unfortunate westerners who cause whatever
it is you want to do in response, but the executions of locals as
well. Of course, much of what occurs in China is beyond the pale of
notions of due process in the more liberal parts of the west and
ultimately this too should elicit our outrage.
It would be a tad more impressive if we turned our attention to things
we could do differently within our own jurisdictions, and reviewing
how we deal with illicit and illegal substances would be one obvious
place to start. Another would be about why and under what
circumstances we imprison.
Complaining about what others do is easy — but the fact remains that
many here in the west think capital punishment is OK in general and
especially OK for drug traffickers.
Fran
klunk
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>
> your opinion is as what it is as long as you qualified your statements
> as being
> your own rather than cliches.
lol... your inability to discern the difference between opinion and
observation only further reinforces your intellectual incompetence... ;-)
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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lol... one of the primary challenges facing incompetent intellects like
yours is discerning differences between varied layers of meaning within what
you read and the only recourse left you is the interpretation which is
driven by the most dominant emotion of insecurity... ;-)
> but, I am quite certain you are too stupid to
>> understand how this phenomenon works... let alone change it to achieve
>> the
>> opposite result... which is a phenomenon approaching something like your
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> Can you document those criminal cases in China that are not fair?
> I am sure you can easily document the cases of a political nature. \
>
> Go teach 'oral' English in underdeveloped countries.
since you cannot answer a simple question posed in simple english, it's
clear you are in dire need of my tutelage... ;-)
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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lol... to the blind, no picture will provide clarity... ;-)
> Your continued use of unqualified statements would lead me to delegate
> you
> to 'teaching 'oral' English in underdeveloped countries'.
well... I would thank you for your continued insistence on my pursuit of a
career in education, but I realize you are just too ignorant to realize the
benefits of the education I have already provided you for free... ;-)
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hmmmmm.... interesting how you have no comments on the substance of my
rebuttal... perhaps it's because you seek to prove that you have no
substance of your own to offer.... ;-)
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it is clear to *you*....
klunk
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> you make an opinion out of an observation. don't you?
your question only further reinforces your intellectual incompetence... ;-)
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> these are just words....
well... at least you've learned that much in this time... ;-)
fyf...@gmail.com
> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
The BENEFITS to you may be the COSTS to others.
Like I said, your level of mental sophisticatedness enables you to
purse
teaching english in underdeveloped countries only, not to pursue a
career
in education in Canada or the US.
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in relation to whose?
klunk
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> it is clear to *you*....
of course... which is why you struggle so in our exchanges... and why you
continue to seek my tutelage.... ;-)
SPierce
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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# As a real Englishman, I thank the Chinese for dealing with this criminal
in the appropriate way for the crime. May they carry on doing dealing with
drug criminals the same way forever...whatever their nationality and in
whatever state of mind they find them. The British Prime Minister was only
interested in trying to get publicity for himself.
klunk
<fyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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lol... an unsubstantiated opinion that would have you eating crow if you
knew the truth... ;-)
btw, stupid.... there's no such word as "sophisticatedness".... you are
welcome for yet another freebie... ;-)
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I am against capital punishment too but I am also against releasing
the criminals in the streets
after they have been put in jails. Chances are, the criminals have a
way to reduce their sentences
and behave properly in the eyes of authorities and then later get back
to the mainstreams of life.
Eliminating them is a better thing to do, although some people die due
to wrong trials.
klunk
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>
> in relation to whose?
in your case, I would suggest a comparison with a simian, but that might be
reaching... a gnat seems to be a more relevant comparison.... ;-)
fyf...@gmail.com
> <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 12ÔÂ30ÈÕ, ÉÏÎç6ʱ29·Ö, "macksamillion" <macksamill...@work.now> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:15:02 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com"
> > > <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>LONDON (Reuters) - China looks set to ignore an appeal by Prime
> > >>Minister Gordon Brown not to execute a British man convicted of drug
> > >>smuggling.
>
> > "Krudd the Dud" <never.make.a.hard.decis...@gutless.wonder.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:25ijj5pucacurst0f...@4ax.com...
>
> > > Great news!
>
> > > Death to all drug smugglers.
>
> > You bet. China never executes anyone unless they're guilty, do they?
> > You're a
> > Conservative, aren't you?
>
> Is there a court system in the world in which not a single case of
> mistrial has taken place?
>
> # As a real Englishman, I thank the Chinese for dealing with this criminal
> in the appropriate way for the crime. May they carry on doing dealing with
> drug criminals the same way forever...whatever their nationality and in
> whatever state of mind they find them. The British Prime Minister was only
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There have been cases in which some vicious criminals, by behaving
properly in the eyes of prison
authorities, were released into the streets for probation on the basis
they had been well 'reformed' and then all of a sudden they started
killing and robbing again.
fyf...@gmail.com
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There is ... I read that from an old English liternature book many
years ago. Yes, it is
unsophisticatedness, not unsophistication, which means the state of
being unsophisticated.
That you are calling another person stupid means you are stupidly
unsophisticated.
Fran
In that case, you have no business complaining here. If you can accept
the occasional injustice as an acceptable overhead, there's no reason
not to accept this man's death (or even yours if it came to that) as
such an overhead.
Fran
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seek to provide you with the tutelage for being proper....
klunk
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> There is ... I read that from an old English liternature book many
> years ago. Yes, it is
> unsophisticatedness, not unsophistication, which means the state of
> being unsophisticated.
> That you are calling another person stupid means you are stupidly
> unsophisticated.
lol... the typical response of an idiot scrambling to protect his bruised
ego is to lie his ass off... ;-)
klunk
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> seek to provide you with the tutelage for being proper....
lol... not only does that statement reveal your ineptitude with the english
language, it also demonstrates how oblivious you are to the nature of your
own abhorrent state of mind.... ;-)
bringyagrogalong
>
> Can an exception be made?
Nope! Stan Pierce has to be included amongst all the other idiots on
Usenet.
ltlee1
SEEN by whom?
Your unspoken assumption is that the Chinese people have less sense
of
justice in comparison with self-proclaimed human right activists. I,
however,
feel that the Chinese people have as much sense of justice as anyone.
Nazism and Fascism as we have learent about certain European
countries
can cheat a country for a short time. But not for long. At present,
history is
on the side of the Chinese government.
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Have I been complaining or you have ascribing me complaining?
ltlee1
There is no god dictating whether any country should carry out
capital
punishment or not. Hence it is a matter to be determined by the
poeple
of the nation. If the Chinese poeple decide not to have capital
punishment,
then there will not be capital punishment. At present, such sentiment
is
not wide spread among the Chinese people.
> Of course, much of what occurs in China is beyond the pale of
> notions of due process in the more liberal parts of the west and
> ultimately this too should elicit our outrage.
If you have first hand knowledge on how China is "beyond the pale
of notions of due process", please share. One, however, should not
judge China on such sweeping term based on western media which
is as unreliable as westerners are ignorant about China.
>
> It would be a tad more impressive if we turned our attention to things
> we could do differently within our own jurisdictions, and reviewing
> how we deal with illicit and illegal substances would be one obvious
> place to start. Another would be about why and under what
> circumstances we imprison.
>
> Complaining about what others do is easy — but the fact remains that
> many here in the west think capital punishment is OK in general and
> especially OK for drug traffickers.
Agree with the above.
Ask not what other nations and other peoples can do for you. If one
sees
unjustice and wants to change it, one should ask what he and/or his
government can do.
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ltlee1
Reality is always messy.
Chom Noamsky
> On 12月30日, 上午12时54分, Chom Noamsky <d...@bark.grrrr> wrote:
>> fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 'Everyone' knows Chom Noamsky, who resorts to cliches for debate, is
>>> an unintellectual acting like an intellectual.
>>> Go and teach English in an underdeveloped country; join that crowd.....
>> Yes, defensive ad-hominem attacks like yours are very intellectual.
>> Justice in China is a joke, that's why Canada has no extradition
>> agreement with China. We send criminals to face justice in nations
>> where we know they will get a fair trial, and the false conviction rate
>> in China is just absurd. Fix your own Micky Mouse judicial system
>> before you criticize others.
>
> Your point that the Chinese judicial system is far from being fair is
> relevant,
> unintellectual statement
> for the following reasons:
> (1) How do you know your interlocutor is a Chinese?
> or is an ethnic Chinese, it does
> not mean he created the system himself and thus should be
> responsible for or in the position of
> name? Can you fix the unfair judiciary
> system in Russia or wherever your last name belongs to. You are
> an UNintellectual pretending to
> be an intellectual and venture into international forum to debate
> without the needed intellectual
> qualifications. I recommend you to go and teach English because
> that is where your intellectual
> calibre is best used....in underdeveloped countries, not in Canada
> where the requirement is much
> greater.
Nationality is irrelevant. As long as one resides in the Chinese sphere
of influence one will be subject to Chinese rights (which is to say,
about the same as a maggot). Dogs and cats in Canada have more rights
than Chinese. In any case, even when a candidate for extradition is
Chinese, the Chinese state doesn't give a rat's ass about them:
"Thousands of Chinese criminals cannot be deported to China"
klunk
"ltlee1" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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what you've inferred is not what was implied... iow... the so-called
"unspoken assumption" is nothing more than a product of your imagination...
;-)
> of
> justice in comparison with self-proclaimed human right activists. I,
> however,
> feel that the Chinese people have as much sense of justice as anyone.
of course... a sense of "justice" or "fairness" is intrinsic to the human
condition and is a form of awareness expressed at infancy... even animals
demonstrate aspects of this form of comprehension of balance.... ;-)
> Nazism and Fascism as we have learent about certain European
> countries
> can cheat a country for a short time. But not for long. At present,
> history is
> on the side of the Chinese government.
lol... apparently, you don't realize this paragraph contradicts itself...
;-)
Chom Noamsky
> No one likes to be told what to do. The ones with more military
> muscles, like the US, would care less...
Depends where that military muscle is pointed at. The US military
points outward, the Chinese military points inward.
Chom Noamsky
> True and luckily we have done that to the fascist Chinese on a number of
> occasions. Personally I'd say shove it up your arse but shove it is more
> diplomatic.
China is like the big dumb kid in class, you laugh behind his back but
know enough to stay out of arms reach.
Chom Noamsky
> I have never done any serious study of the legal system anywhere.
> Thus I am not
> able to support or defend it. That you have mentioned my defending a
> legal system
> is an admission of your ignorance.
You're generally defensive of all things Chinese so it's an honest
mistake. The gist of your post is that nobody can influence the Chinese
government. That may be true, but rigidness is more of a problem than a
virtue. Even American democracy is modeled after native North American
culture; true genius is the ability to recognize intelligence and put it
to beneficial purposes.
> Go teach English; join that crowd.
Why do so many Chinese want to learn English? Because it's the language
of the dominant culture. Mandarin and other dialects will never be
languages of technology, science or business. If you want to exist and
prosper outside the village you learn English. We English people want
everyone to prosper so we are always happy to bring the language of the
dominant culture to the village.
SPierce
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# Their nuclear subs must have legs on them.
Seon Ferguson
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Make that the big dumb rich kid who you owe a lot of money to.
ltlee1
Actually, the issue is quite simple.
First of all, Nazism as well as Fascism were the products of western
demcoracy. They did not last. The Chinese system is not the product
of western demcoracy. The Chinese system lasts, so far. See the
differences.
> ;-)
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klunk
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actually, they weren't... they were the products of the desperation of an
impoverished people... which is the environment being cultivated by the
chinese government...
> They did not last.
because people do inevitably rise up against their oppressors... as china
will experience if they don't loosen their domineering stranglehold on the
public....
> The Chinese system is not the product
> of western demcoracy. The Chinese system lasts, so far. See the
> differences.
the chinese system has only lasted because the chinese people have had
centuries of experience with the indoctrination of submissiveness to
authority... such submissiveness permeates every aspect of chinese
culture... but, such submissiveness is a fading legacy from a feudal and
superstitious era which has been in the process of being supplanted by the
dramatic effects of rational leadership in the face of outspoken dissent...
iow... the only societies which will survive in the future are those which
can withstand open and public scrutiny and criticism....
the chinese government and its people are still generations away from
understanding and embracing this basic characteristic of the human
condition.... and the only way the government can preserve their
population's substandard existence is through the repression of access to
information... which they are currently trying desperately to do... but will
fail miserably at.... ;-)
ltlee1
Nah. Chinese people trust the governemnts because the officials care
about the welfare of the people, then land now. In contrast,
politicians
in western democracies care about votes. The following is from an old
post of mine.
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Poring himself over some old Chinese books, a certain professor of
Chinese
history H. G. Creel was surprised to discover that the Chinese
official class
really cared about the well being of the common people. In ancient
China? And
without given a vote? Are Chinese government officials such nice
people?
"Most of all, however, we find the conception that the duty of the
minister
is to aid and to influence the ruler to govern in such matter as bring
about
the welfare of the people as a whole. This is a remarkable fact, and
one
which at first seems almost unaccountable. The people as a whole, that
is
those below the aristocracy, were completely subject to the dictation
of the
ruling classes. Many of them were slaves and serfs. They did not even
have a
'vote' to make it worth while for politicians to become sentimental
over
them. Was it merely out of the goodness of their hearts that the
members of
the scholarly class, who were not, after all, very humble themselves,
championed them? Was it solely from the benevolence of their natures
that the
kings allowed themselves to be influenced in their behalf? One may
doubt it."
Could it be that the books are doctored? For propaganda purpose?
"Indeed, the whole talk of solicitude for the welfare of the people is
so
difficult to account for that one is at first tempted to disbelieve
it
entirely, and to think that it has been written into the ancient books
by
Confucian scholars of later years, as a matter of propaganda. But this
is not
the case. We not only find such sentiments expressed in early and
authentic
books which have come down to us, but even in early bronze
inscriptions,
which can hardly have been tampered with."
Well, may be they have simpler reasons.
"I suggest three main reasons for this humanitarianism which is a
fundamental
plank in the platform of the Chinese official class."
"The first is the fact that the people had a great deal of power if
they chose
to use it."
"Secondly, it was the profession and the interest of the scholars who
built
the tradition of the official class to govern. For the most part they
were
not military men, and they were not primarily interested in enlarging
the
territories of their rulers. Such enlargement meant war, and war
meant
hardship for the people, murmuring against the government, and
conditions
which generally interfered with stable and orderly rule. Therefore we
find
the official class opposing territorial aggrandizement and war in
general....
They were not wholly unselfish, but their selfishness had altruistic
consequences. They were wise enough, and sufficiently well acquainted
with
history, to know that the only firm foundation for a stable and
lasting
government was a prosperous and contented people, and they therefore
took
the welfare fo the people as one of their principal aims."
"A third element, which cannot be neglected, is that, much as we may
deny it,
there is a large element of humanitarianism in the make-up of every
normal
human being."
(Quotes are from THE BIRTH OF CHINA by H.G. Creel)
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fyf...@gmail.com
Stop acting like an intellectual when you are not ...
fyf...@gmail.com
> fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have never done any serious study of the legal system anywhere.
> > Thus I am not
> > able to support or defend it. That you have mentioned my defending a
> > legal system
> > is an admission of your ignorance.
>
> You're generally defensive of all things Chinese
Have you done a counting or it is something you take for granted?
so it's an honest
> mistake. The gist of your post is that nobody can influence the Chinese
> government.
Nobody? Including the 'bodies' inside or outside the Chinese
government. What is the government of China composed of, non-bodies?
That may be true, but rigidness is more of a problem than a
> virtue. Even American democracy is modeled after native North American
> culture; true genius is the ability to recognize intelligence and put it
> to beneficial purposes.
>
> > Go teach English; join that crowd.
>
> Why do so many Chinese want to learn English? Because it's the language
> of the dominant culture.
This is why I recommend people like yourself to do it in view of your
intellectual incoherence. It is my observation that in replying to
others' posts, instead of answering questions directly to the point,
you like to throw up something totally irrelevant to what is being
posted and attempt to camouflage your bloody ignorance of the issue by
way of empty words.
What else can you do beside acting as a english teacher in
underdeveloped countries? A janitor in Toronto?
fyf...@gmail.com
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How do you know it is "typical" of whatever you espoused? Have you
done a survey? Or is it something you blow out of your rectum?
Go teach English in underdeveloped countries; join 'that' crowd.
fyf...@gmail.com
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> doesn't care that their legal system, regardless of the Constitution or
> Laws, is always subject to the oversight or influence of the CCP because
> the CCP is supreme?
Reply to the issue raised directly rather than to circle around like
another
Chom NOamsky in this ng.
Ltlee1 was comparing the individual response to the system of the
average Chinese people in terms of justice and fairness to that of the
average self-proclaimed human rights fighters.
Whether the individual Chinese are in the position to do something
about injustice, or the manner by which a certain feedback to the
system is carried out, is beside
the point.
Go teach English in underdeveloped countries; join that crowd....
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fyf...@gmail.com
Is that what your interlocutor has said ?
>
> > Nazism and Fascism as we have learent about certain European
> > countries
> > can cheat a country for a short time. But not for long. At present,
> > history is
> > on the side of the Chinese government.
>
> lol... apparently, you don't realize this paragraph contradicts itself...
> ;-)
You are not replying to the issue raised by your interlocutor! If
you
had nothing to say, don't say anything for the sake of showing you
are learned.
Go teach english in underdeveloped countries; join that crowd....
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klunk
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lol... expecting you to recognize intellect when you posses none is like
expecting to squeeze a bucket of water from a raisin.... ;-)
klunk
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yes... they care so much for a limitless supply of cheap labour that killing
off thousands of ornery students is merely a cost of keeping a herd
submissive and pliant toward their decrees... and hell... those who are
content enough to meekly work like automatons for their waking hours at
least get a hole in the wall to sleep in at night.... which is a far better
fate than openly expressing dissatisfaction to result in having one's organs
stripped from them after being killed for trumped-up charges.... ;-)
> -----------------------
> Poring himself over some old Chinese books, a certain professor of
> Chinese
> history H. G. Creel was surprised to discover that the Chinese
> official class
> really cared about the well being of the common people. In ancient
> China? And
> without given a vote? Are Chinese government officials such nice
> people?
>
> "Most of all, however, we find the conception that the duty of the
> minister
> is to aid and to influence the ruler to govern in such matter as bring
> about
> the welfare of the people as a whole.
lol... typical propagandist crap which merely reinforces my point that the
chinese people are indoctrinated for submissiveness....
> This is a remarkable fact, and
> one
> which at first seems almost unaccountable. The people as a whole, that
> is
> those below the aristocracy, were completely subject to the dictation
> of the
> ruling classes. Many of them were slaves and serfs. They did not even
> have a
> 'vote'
and they still don't....
> to make it worth while for politicians to become sentimental
any human being with a conscience doesn't need public pressure to experience
empathy... but this statement alone demonstrates how much humanity has been
bred out of the chinese people to render them as little more than herd
animals.... and idiots like you always seem to subscribe to the delusion
that you're a wolf amongst the sheep without realizing that you have not the
slightest idea what life would be like with balls... ;-)
which... to the chagrin of the chinese government, they eventually will....
';-)
lol... this idiot misappropriates humanism to rationalize subservience to a
superior authority embodied within some nebulous concept of social
cooperative... but, here's the rub... true cooperation occurs through true
equality of ALL members of a society... not by the ruthless hand of a
centralized militant ruler.... iow... true humanism is essentially chaotic
in its nature... it is not meek orderliness... that's just another form of
prolonged living death.... ;-)