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China says Dalai Lama trying to blacken its name - "In international society, there are some people and forces which don't want to see China's development or for it to become powerful. They hope China falls apart, and that the country and people forever remain poor and weak."

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May 8, 2008, 12:10:39 AM5/8/08
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China says Dalai Lama trying to blacken its name
Tue May 6, 10:09 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080507/ts_nm/china_tibet_dc_19

BEIJING (Reuters) - The Dalai Lama is trying to blacken China's name
and prevent its rise, a state newspaper said on Wednesday, suggesting
Beijing is in no mood to compromise just days after talks with the
exiled spiritual leader's aides.

China blames the Dalai Lama for a wave of anti-government unrest
throughout its Tibetan areas which started in March and has vilified
him as a separatist bent on independence for Tibet and disrupting the
Beijing Olympics.

The Dalai Lama denies China's charge that he orchestrated the unrest
and says he wants meaningful autonomy, not independence, for Tibet.

"Trying to internationalize the 'Tibet problem' is a separatist plot
of the Dalai Lama's and a clumsy way of damaging China's international
image," the official Tibet Daily said in an editorial.

"In international society, there are some people and forces which
don't want to see China's development or for it to become powerful.
They hope China falls apart, and that the country and people forever
remain poor and weak."

Analysts say it is a common tactic of China's to maintain a hardline
public face at the same time as offering talks.

The newspaper denounced calls for Tibetan independence as a "filthy
plot" and said that it was "wishful thinking" if the Dalai Lama
thought he could prevent China's rise.

"China will naturally develop into a powerful country in the world.
China is already standing like a giant with a peace-loving and
responsible image," it said.

"Anyone who wants to achieve their sinister aims through vilifying
China will find it is like lifting a rock only to drop it on their own
feet," the editorial added.

An envoy of the Dalai Lama said on Tuesday that one-day talks with
China on the unrest in Tibet had been "a good first step" and that the
two sides would meet again after he reports back.

The unrest, the most serious challenge to Chinese rule in the
mountainous region for nearly two decades, prompted anti-China
protests around the world that disrupted the international leg of the
torch relay for the August Olympics and led to calls for Western
leaders to boycott the Games.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Nick Macfie)

pg

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May 8, 2008, 2:12:20 AM5/8/08
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On May 7, 9:10 pm, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> China says Dalai Lama trying to blacken its name


It was CCP which blackened China.

Wulai Lama is nothing but an wulai. He isn't that omnipotent, man.

On the other hand, it's the CCP that shame all the Chinks in the
world. By hosting the stupid Olympic, by spending trillions of
contructing WHITE ELEPHANTS, by Da Zhong Lian Pi Chong Pang Zhi, CCP
has done great damage to China.

Damn the CCP !!! Damn the CCP to HELL !!!!

PaPaPeng

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On Wed, 7 May 2008 23:12:20 -0700 (PDT), pg <pen...@catholic.org>
wrote:

=========================
WAVING THE RED FLAG
China's Countdown to Olympic Reality
By Lothar Gorris and Andreas Lorenz
January 29, 2008
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,531871,00.html
The 2008 Olympic Games will begin in less than 200 days. China, hoping
to present itself to the world as a new superpower, has invested $38
billion in the event. Critics expect a propaganda show, but in China
the games also bring the hope of more openness and freedom.
(more....)

$38 billion, and likely very much more billions in indirect
investments but driven by the Olympics event, out of a $1.4 trillion
kitty is peanuts and very well spent. In exchange Beijing has brought
forward numerous leading edge infrastructures that would have
otherwise taken much longer and less cordinated development to
realize. This includes a better and much larger subway system, more
and newer bridges, roads and buses, the ultra modern China made high
speed Tianjin - Beijing Railway, the gigantic Beijing Airport, The
restoration of the Forbidden City and other historical and cultural
buildings and artifacts, the CCTV media centre, clearance of slums,
the relocation of dirty manufacturing industries to outer industrial
regions more suited for such industries,water from the Yangtze, and
much, much more. The Olympics buildings and the new Arts Centre are
the frosting on the cake. Don't be surprised that this frenetic pace
of development will continue after the games for there is so much more
to do that is needs to be done. Come back to Beijing a year later and
you will find it a much different and even better City than this year.
Already a second giant airport for Beijing has been approved and
construction will start next year.(For articles on infrastructure
projects see examples below.)

Don't miss watching the Olympic Games on your TV for you will never
see the likes of it again. I don't care much for the sports events
either except for selected ones (aka the ones where Chinese atheletes
have a medal chance and that's a lot of watching to do.) Watch for
the in-between events coverage of scenes from the rest of China for
the world's media also knows that they will never have a chance to
wander all over China on their own and unsupervised to record their
first hand impressions. You will see what ordinary China, away from
the ususal tourist haunts will be like. It will astonish you.
*******

(1) Rushing on by road, rail and air
Feb 14th 2008
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10697210
BEIJING
From The Economist print edition
China's race to build roads, railways and airports speeds ahead.
Democracy, says an official, would sacrifice efficiency

(2) China to invest 300b yuan in railway in '08
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2008-01-11 23:29
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-01/11/content_6388613.htm

BEIJING -- China plans to invest 300 billion yuan (US$41 billion) to
lay 7,820 kilometers of railway in 2008, the Ministry of Railways said
on Friday.
(3) A glimpse into China's first inter-city high-speed railway

16:49, December 18, 2007
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90781/90879/6323022.html

The Beijing-Tianjin Passenger railway finished laying down its tracks
on Sunday, marking a new era in China's history of railway
construction.

Wang Zhijian, Deputy GM at the Beijing-Tianjin Inter-city Railway Co.
Ltd, on the day celebrating the linkup of the rail tracks exclaimed:
"from this day forward, China will be part of the international club
of high-speed train service providers."

The high-speed railway, to open as scheduled for the 2008 summer
Olympics, not only indicates that China has reached the most advanced
international standards of railway construction. It also fulfills the
designers' dream to complete a massive project that is simple but
elegant in design; and both highly efficient and environment-friendly.

The high-speed train is designed to operate at half of the average
speed per hour of a flight; whereas the energy consumption for per
unit of transport capacity only makes up 1/6 of a private car. It can
run without repair for consecutive 60 years.

(Also look at the photos on this story)
China starts selling bullet train tickets
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2007-04-14 18:48
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-04/14/content_850683.htm

Tickets for China's new high-speed trains went on sale on Saturday as
the first bullet trains will hit the track next Wednesday, said a
spokesman for the Ministry of Railways here Saturday in Beijing.
On April 18, 280 bullet trains, which can travel at speeds of up to
250 kilometers per hour, will be put into operation between the
country's major cities. A total of 514 such trains will be in use by
the end of this year.
The base price for the tickets is slightly higher than ordinary
trains, according to the spokesman.
At a press conference Thursday, Vice Minister of Railways Hu Yadong
said raising the speed limit will help boost passenger and cargo
capacity on the nation's 77,000-km railway lines by 18 percent and 12
percent, respectively.
Travel time between major cities will be slashed by up to 50 percent.
Currently, express trains in China travel at an average of 115
kilometers per hour.


(4) China's many roads to prosperity
By Kent Ewing
Aug 9, 2006
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/HH09Cb02.html

HONG KONG - Build it and they will come. But it is not a field of
dreams that the Chinese government is building for the country's 1.3
billion people; it is a highway - or, rather, a grand network of
highways that by 2035 is scheduled to expand to 85,000 kilometers.
That's 10,000km longer than the United States' Interstate highway
system, currently the world's biggest.

(5) India gets on board the Trans-Asian Railway
By Raja M
March 21, 2007
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IC21Df01.html

Getting from Singapore to Scotland by train will soon be possible now
that India has hopped aboard the Trans-Asian Railway (TAR) project.

In a big boost to the 81,000-kilometer intercontinental rail link,
India on March 8 ratified an intergovernmental agreement on the
railway network connecting 32 Asian countries to Europe. With missing
rail links to be built to connect existing and upgraded rail networks,
the entire TAR project is expected to be complete by 2015.

As one of the most economically and culturally important transport
links in modern history, the TAR project will connect India with China
in the east and Europe in the west.

"The intergovernmental agreement will formalize the coordinated
development of Trans-Asian Railways," said Priya Ranjandas Dasmunsi,
India's minister for parliamentary affairs. "This will help the
movement of rail traffic, and the improvement of trade and tourism
among Asian countries."

Eighteen countries, including Cambodia, China, India, Indonesia, Iran,
Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Nepal, South Korea, Russia, Sri Lanka,
Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkey, Uzbekistan and Vietnam, have signed the
agreement. The Intergovernmental Agreement on the Trans-Asian Railway
was signed last November 10 during the Ministerial Conference on
Transport in Busan, South Korea, bringing the operational reality of
the TAR closer.

For its part in the TAR project, Indian Railways is expected to begin
constructing a 350km link between Jiribam in northeastern India to
Moreh in Myanmar, with that country's impoverished military regime
sharing part of the estimated US$678 million bill. India's North East
Frontier (NEF) Railway is likely to construct this link through some
of the toughest terrain in South Asia.

(6)


China's roads ahead
Dec 20, 2005
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/GL20Cb02.html


BEIJING - The Ministry of Communications has mapped out a blueprint
for the development of highways, coastal ports and inland waterway
shipping in major regions, intended to guide the development of the
country's transportation infrastructure until 2020.

The blueprint covers such plans as the high-grade shipping network in
the Pearl River Delta, a highway and waterway shipping development
plan for the old industrial base of northeast China, a highway
modernization plan, a waterway communication plan for the Yangtze
River Delta, a high-grade shipping network plan for the Yangtze Delta,
and an inland river shipping development plan for western China.

Sixteen shipping channels are planned by 2020, totaling 939 kilometers
in the Pearl River Delta. By 2020, five channels for over 3,000-ton
oceangoing ships, six channels for 1,000-ton grade oceangoing ships
and four inland shipping channels will be formed. These projects will
cost an estimated 4.2 billion yuan (US$520 million).

Highway mileage in northeast China should reach 190,000 kilometers by
2010; the regional expressway mileage will be 5,500 kilometers; all
counties will be serviced by second-grade highways and 90% of trunk
highways will be at least second grade; the comprehensive capacity of
coastal ports will be 400 million tons; the container throughput of
coastal ports will hit 10 million 20-foot equivalent units (TEUs); the
shipping channels above the third grade will be 1,980 kilometers long;
the number of inland ports will be 252; and the throughput capacity of
all ports will be 22 million tons.

By 2020, total highway mileage will be 240,000 kilometers; the
regional expressway mileage will exceed 9,000 kilometers; the
comprehensive throughput capacity of the coastal ports will hit 750
million tons; the container throughput of coastal ports will reach 27
million TEUs; and mileage of shipping channels improved to grade three
or above will reach 2,830 kilometers.

The total size of the highway network, including expressways, ordinary
trunk line highways and rural roads, is expected to reach 300,000
kilometers by 2020, of which 12,000 kilometers will be expressways.
Although the ministry had stated in recent months that foreign
investment in roads would be allowed, particularly in rural areas,
officials did not refer to foreign investment in the recent
announcement.

Waterway plans
Meanwhile, a high-grade shipping channel network including 23 channels
in the Yangtze River region and the Beijing to Hangzhou Grand Canal
will be built. The total mileage of channels planned by 2020 totals
4,200 kilometers, equivalent to 33% of the current mileage, including
3,400 kilometers above the third grade and 800 kilometers of fourth
grade; seven state-class comprehensive transport hubs will be built in
Shanghai, Nanjing, Hangzhou, Ningbo, Wenzhou, Xuzhou and Lianyungang,
of which Shanghai, Nanjing, Ningbo, Wuzhou and Lianyungang will become
international ones and Hangzhou and Xuzhou will become the inland
comprehensive transport hubs.

The infrastructure of trunk lines in the Yangtze River and the Xijiang
River will be strengthened, and the construction of shipping projects
in the Jialingjiang, Hanjiang, Youjiang, Liujiang, Qingjiang,
Beipanjiang and Hongshuihe rivers will be speeded up. In addition,
five inland river ports - Yibin, Chongqing, Nanning, Guigang and
Wuzhou - will be built; and the shipping channels connecting major
branches and major regional ports will be developed further.

By 2010, 3,700 kilometers of shipping channels will have been
improved, including 76 kilometers of grade-three shipping channel, 695
kilometers of grade-four channels, and 2,000 kilometers of grade-five
channels. Also, 175 berths in inland ports will be built with a
combined handling capacity of 22.6 million tons.

By 2020, a waterway connecting the river system in western China with
the sea will be built. Some 3,300 kilometers of shipping channels will
be improved in the region, including 745 kilometers of grade-three
channels, 1,900 kilometers of grade-four channels, and 110 kilometers
of grade-five channels. Lastly, 70 new cargo berths will be built in
the region with a newly-increased handling capacity of nine million
tons.

(Asia Pulse/XIC)

****************

There are a lot more articles on such mega-infrastructure developments
happening in China. If you make a note of the developmental timelines
you will notice that these are all approved and fully funded projects
that are already underway and most have less than five year to eight
year project completion times. China is not into announcing grandoise
projects that never get started. In many rich western countries the
approval process alone takes as long as it takes China to identify a
project, to build and to complete it. Heathrow's new Terminal 5 for
example is a quarter century late, way over budget and opened to
chaos. (Beijing Capital International Airport's third terminal just
started operation on February 29. The new terminal, bigger than all
five terminals at London's Heathrow, )

You (pg) can only but gape at China's white elephants. It sure beats
your building of temples for purple elephants.

You might perhaps read up on
Pallavi Aiyar is the author of the forthcoming book, Smoke and
Mirrors: China Through Indian Eyes, (Harper Collins, April 2008.)
Review: China and India: Oh to be different
By Pallavi Aiyar
March 19, 2008
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JC19Ad01.html
Quote:
[ This denial of legitimate differences is ultimately the greatest
difference between China and Asia's other major rising power, India.

Indians who visit Chinese cities are invariably awestruck by the
infrastructure. They look at the silken-smooth multi-lane highways
with barely concealed envy, no doubt comparing them to the pot-holed
clumps of tar more familiar as roads back home. They marvel at the
relatively orderly flow of traffic on the broad avenues, unobstructed
by stray cows. They remark on the absence of slums and beggars on the
streets.

China has not only built cities that are almost impossibly modern from
an Indian point of view, it has also provided jobs and opportunities
for upward mobility for millions of migrant workers from the
countryside.

China's economic achievement over the past 30-odd years has in fact
been unparalleled historically. However, a point usually unrecognized
by Indians impressed by China's glitter is the fact that so is India's
political feat.

China's southern neighbor's democracy is almost unique among
post-colonial states not simply for its existence but its existence
against all odds in a country held together not by geography, language
or ethnicity but by an idea. This is an idea that asserts, even
celebrates, the possibility of multiple identities. In India, you can
and are expected to be both many things and one thing simultaneously.

Your correspondent is thus a Delhite, an English speaker, half a
Brahmin, half a Tamilian, a Hindu culturally, an atheist by choice, a
Muslim by heritage. But the identity that threads these multiplicities
together is at once the most powerful and most amorphous: she is an
Indian.

India's great political achievement is thus in its having developed
mechanisms for negotiating large-scale diversity along with the
inescapable corollary of frequent and aggressive disagreement. The
guiding and perhaps lone consensus that forms the bedrock of that
mechanism is that in a democracy you don't really need to agree -
except on the ground rules of how you will disagree.

In direct contradistinction to China, India's polity has flourished
precisely because of its ability to acknowledge difference. The very
survival of India as a country, given the scope of its bewildering
diversity, has been dependent on the possibility of dissent.

India is a country of 22 official languages and over 200 recorded
mother tongues. In this "Hindu" country, there are more Muslims than
in all of Pakistan. The country's cultural inheritance includes
fire-worshiping Zorastrians and Tohra-reciting Jews. With no single
language, ethnicity, religion or food, India is quite simply,
implausible; yet marvelously, it isn't. It is a country without a
language, without a center, lacking singularity except in being
singularly diverse.

In China, regular lip service is also paid to the country's own,
considerable diversity. During the National People's Congress' annual
session, for example, delegates representing China's multiplicity of
minorities swish around the Great Hall of the People in Beijing in
their "ethnic" dresses. Beijing regularly talks of the religious
freedoms enjoyed by the country's Buddhists, Christians and Muslims. ]

Pallavi Aiyar repeats the usual stuff about how India's tolerance for
mediocrity and poverty is a virtue. That's fair criticism and it
helps Indians to be happy with their lot. No Chinaman I know of has
lost a second of sleep over Indian desires for illusionary comfort.
But it is desperate of you to denigrate China's developmental success
and political stability as a curse of its oppressive political
leadership. There are hundreds of millions of destitute and starving
Indians who would welcome to be so cursed.

aozo...@aol.com

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May 8, 2008, 5:20:05 AM5/8/08
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On May 8, 1:59 am, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Don't miss watching the Olympic Games on your TV for you will never
> see the likes of it again.  

Indeed, one can see and be reminded how the Nazi Regime was
legitimized before the world in the 1936 Olympics! It will indeed be
a sad time to see another similar regime so legitimized!

chouc...@126.com

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May 8, 2008, 7:35:39 AM5/8/08
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you know what?
my classmates went to tibet and let me show you a real tibet.

tibet people used to be SLAVES,owned by dalai-lama.so they are
appreciate to what CCP has done.without CCP, they would still be
slaves. and the worst thing is dalai-lama can do everything he wants.
Once he celebrated his birthday, he want a SLAVES'S HEAD AS A GIFT!
Isn't it horrible?

and, now, they want the so-clled civil rights.They are just using
"ciivl rights" to try to govern tibet again!

my classmates went to tibet, and they told me that tibet people are
actually living a good life.

the monks in Tibetan Youth Congress are sons of slave owners. they
just want tibet people to be their slaves again.


want more truth?
contact me

aozo...@aol.com

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May 8, 2008, 4:42:39 PM5/8/08
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Your classmates best look to the repression of the Chinese people!
You are where you condemn the Tibetans for now!

bmo...@nyx.net

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May 8, 2008, 5:41:53 PM5/8/08
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On May 7, 9:10 pm, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Some people spend an awful lot of time blaming others. It's generally
better to look inward for the source of one's problems.

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