The Mystery Of The Pagan Origin Of Christmas
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December 25th But A Whole Bunch Of Pagan Gods Were
Why is Christmas celebrated on December 25th? Most people assume that
it has always been a Christian holiday and that it is a celebration of
the birth of Jesus. But it turns out that Jesus was not born on
December 25th. However, a whole bunch of pagan gods were born on that
day. In fact, pagans celebrated a festival involving a heroic
supernatural figure that visits an evergreen tree and leaves gifts on
December 25th long before Jesus was ever born. From its early
Babylonian roots, the celebration of the birth or "rebirth" of the sun
god on December 25th came to be celebrated under various names all
over the ancient world. You see, the winter solstice occurs a few
days before December 25th each year. The winter solstice is the day of
the year when daylight is the shortest. In ancient times, December
25th was the day each year when the day started to become noticeably
longer. Thus it was fitting for the early pagans to designate
December 25th as the date of the birth or the "rebirth" of the sun.
The truth is that thousands of years before there was a "Santa Claus",
there was another supernatural figure who would supposedly visit a
tree and leave gifts every December 25th.
His name was Nimrod.
The celebration of December 25th goes all the way back to ancient
Babylon.
According to ancient Babylonian tradition, Semiramis (who eventually
became known as the goddess Astarte/Asherah/Ashtoreth/Isis/Ishtar/
Easter in other pagan religions) claimed that after the untimely death
of her son/husband Nimrod (yes she was married to her own son), a full
grown evergreen tree sprang up overnight from a dead tree stump.
Semiramis claimed that Nimrod would visit that evergreen tree and
leave gifts each year on the anniversary of his birth, which just
happened to be on December 25th.
This is the true origin of the Christmas tree.
On Bibletools.org, Mike Ford describes this ancient pagan tradition
about Nimrod this way....
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After Nimrod's death (c. 2167 BC), Semiramis promoted the belief that
he was a god. She claimed that she saw a full-grown evergreen tree
spring out of the roots of a dead tree stump, symbolizing the
springing forth of new life for Nimrod. On the anniversary of his
birth, she said, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts
under it.
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On that same site, John Plunkett described the ancient pagan myth
regarding December 25th in this manner....
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From many ancient writings, considerable is learned of this man, who
started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has
dominated this world until now. Nimrod was so evil, it is said he
married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's
untimely death, his so-called mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the
evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed
a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump,
which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod.
On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the
evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday
of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.
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From this original fable peddled by Semiramis (the "Queen of Heaven")
came the tradition for pagans to go out to the holy "groves" and leave
gifts for Nimrod (who later came to be worshipped as "Baal") at an
evergreen tree.
Does that sound like a "Christian" holiday to you?
In fact, in his classic work "The Two Babylons", Alexander Hislop
describes the Babylonian origins of Christmas on page 93....
"Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era
itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise
time of the year, in honor of the birth of the son of the Babylonian
queen of heaven. It may fairly be presumed that, in order to
conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal
adherents of Christianity, the Roman Church, giving it only the name
of Christ adopted the same festival. This tendency on the part of
Christians to meet Paganism halfway was very early developed; and we
find Tertullian, even in his day, about the year 230, bitterly
lamenting the inconsistency of the disciples of Christ in this
respect, and contrasting it with the strict fidelity of the Pagans to
their own superstition."
In fact, the name "Yule" is the Babylonian word for "infant" or
"little child" as Hislop describes on pages 93 and 94 of his book....
"That Christmas was originally a Pagan festival is beyond all doubt.
The time of the year, and the ceremonies, with which it is still
celebrated, prove its origin. In Egypt, the son of Isis, the Egyptian
title for the queen of heaven, was born at this very time, 'about the
time of the winter solstice.' The very name by which Christmas is
popularly known among us -- Yule-day -- proves at once its pagan and
Babylonian origin. 'Yule' is the Chaldee name for an 'infant' or
'little child'; and as the 25th of December was called by our Pagan
Anglo-Saxon ancestors, 'Yule-day,' or the 'Child's-day,' and the night
that preceded it, 'Mother-night,' long before they came in contact
with Christianity, that sufficiently proves its real character. Far
and wide, in the realms of Paganism, was this birthday observed."
So when you offer "yuletide" greetings, you are actually acknowledging
Nimrod's birthday.
The truth is that the pagan holiday of "Yule" has been celebrated by
the pagans of northern Europe from late December through early January
for centuries and centuries. Yule logs were traditionally lit
throughout northern Europe to honor the pagan god Thor. The festival
would continue until the Yule log burned out - which could take up to
twelve days. This is where we get the so-called "12 days of
Christmas".
In fact, Wiccans, neo-pagans and even many witches still celebrate
Yule to this day. Many of them think it is incredibly funny when
Christians use the pagan word Yule. Yule is one of the most important
holidays for them. The following excerpt was taken from a website on
witchcraft:
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Birthday of the Twins:
Kemetic (ancient Egyptian) holy day. Birthday of the Twins, Heru Sa
Aset and Bast, children of Aset [Isis]. Origin of Yule and Christmas.
On Winter Solstice Asar [Osiris] dies. Aset [Isis] with the magick
help of Nebt Het [Nephthys] creates a Djed Pillar [artificial penis]
for Her husband and impregnates Herself. For three full days (December
22-24) Asar lies dead and the Twins grow in Aset’s belly. On this day
(December 25th) the Twins are born, the reincarnation or resurrection
of Their Father. The green tree is a symbol of the green-skinned Asar,
God of fertility and vegetation. The colored lights are symbols of
Aset, Goddess of magick and divine light. Red, green, and white are
the traditional candle colors of Bast (this was Her birthday alone for
several thousand years of early Kemetic history), later being adapted
to red for Aset (the color of the Mother’s menstrual flow), green for
Asar (the color of vegetation), and white for the Twins (the color of
pure light).
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So where did Christmas come from?
Well, the truth is that the word "Christmas" is not actually found
anywhere in the entire Bible.
In fact, the word "Christmas" was not even invented until about a
thousand years after Jesus left this earth.
The Catholic Encyclopedia even admits this....
"The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the
Mass of Christ, first found in 1038."
But Jesus was not even born on December 25th.
The reality is that it would have simply been far too cold for
shepherds to be out with their sheep at night in Israel on December
25th.
The vast majority of Christian scholars now acknowledge this.
So when was Jesus actually born?
Based on the information we have in the Scriptures, it appears that it
is most likely that Jesus was born in the fall. In particular, it
seems most likely that Jesus was actually born during the Feast of
Tabernacles as the video posted below demonstrates....
So how did December 25th come to be celebrated by Christians?
Well, by the time the Roman Empire legalized Christianity in the 4th
century, most of the other religions in the empire were celebrating
the birth of their gods on December 25th.
Leading up to December 25th in ancient Rome, a festival known as
Saturnalia was one of the biggest celebrations of the year.
Saturnalia was a festival during which the Romans commemorated the
dedication of the temple of their god Saturn. This holiday began on
the 17th of December and it would last for an entire week until the
23rd of December.
Saturnalia was typically characterized by gift-giving, feasting,
singing and lots and lots of debauchery. The priests of Saturn would
carry wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the pagan
Roman temples.
Later on, the Romans also started holding a festival on December 25th
called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, which means "the birthday of the
unconquered sun." Basically it was a way for the empire to
consolidate all of the December 25th "sun god" birthdays throughout
the empire into one holiday.
In the year 350 A.D., Pope Julius I declared that the birth of Jesus
would be celebrated on December 25th from then on. There appears to be
little doubt that Pope Julius was trying to make it as painless as
possible for pagan Romans to convert to Catholicism.
However, the new holiday did not really take off with Christians at
first. The widespread celebration of December 25th by Christians did
not really get going until 378. It was apparently then dropped in 381
and then resurrected in 400.
But the truth is that December 25th was celebrated as the birthday of
scores of pagan gods long before it was ever associated with Jesus.
As we discussed earlier, the celebration of December 25th goes all the
way back to Nimrod (who eventually came to be worshipped as Baal).
Baal worship spread throughout the known world and provided the basis
for all other pagan religions. The following are just some of the
pagan gods that had "birthdays" on December 25th....
Mithras
Horus
Attis
Dionysus the son of Zeus
Tammuz
Hercules
Perseus
Helios
Bacchus
Apollo
Jupiter
Sol Invictus - (The "Unconquered Sun")
When the Roman Catholics decided to make December 25th a "Christian
holiday" in the fourth century, they simply adopted a long standing
pagan holiday and kept most of the same pagan traditions.
For example, the ancient Babylonian "Christmas tree" became known as a
symbol of fertility throughout the ancient world. The pole, balls,
and tinsel (phallus, testes, semen) represented various aspects of
male fertility, while wreaths were always fashioned in a circle to
represent female fertility.
In "The Two Babylons", Hislop describes some of the ancient traditions
surrounding the Christmas tree on page 97....
"The Christmas tree, now so common among us, was equally common in
Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm-tree; in
Rome it was the fir; the palm tree denoting the Pagan messiah, as Baal-
Tamar, the fir referring to him as Baal-Berith. The mother of Adonis,
the sun-god and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to
have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought
forth her divine son. If the mother was a tree, the son must have been
recognized as the 'Man the branch.' And this entirely accounts for the
putting of the Yule Log into the fire on Christmas Eve, and the
appearance of the Christmas tree the next morning."
That sure puts a different spin on Christmas traditions, now doesn't
it?
Most Christians don't even realize that God warned us about such
things in the Bible.
In Jeremiah 10:1-4, God warns us against putting up these decorated
trees like the pagans were doing....
Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel. This is what the
LORD says: "Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by
signs in the sky, though the nations are terrified by them. For the
customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the
forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with
silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not
totter."
The Puritans understood this. It comes as a surprise to most
Americans to learn that the Puritans once banned Christmas trees in
many areas of the United States because they were considered so
pagan.
According to ancient Babylonian tradition, the springtime fertility
festival of Ishtar (Easter) was a time when the "Queen of Heaven" was
believed to become impregnated. Nine months later the sun god would
be "born" or "reborn".
To the ancient Babylonians, these holiday trees came to be worshipped
as the "Queen of Heaven", and gifts were brought to the "groves" of
trees that had been grown in her honor and placed beneath them as
offerings.
The Babylonians also used wreaths to represent the nativity of the
sun, since they were objects that depicted the "womb" of the Earth
mother.
Early Christians completely rejected these traditions. In the 3rd
century, Tertullian wrote the following about these pagan
celebrations....
"On your day of gladness, we [Christians] neither cover our doorposts
with wreaths, nor intrude upon the day with lamps. At the call of
public festivity, you consider it a proper thing to decorate your
house like some new brothel. We are accused of a lower sacrilege
because
we do not celebrate along with you the holidays ..."
The truth is that the celebration of December 25th and most of the
accompanying traditions have always been pagan.
But many Christians will protest and say that it is okay for them to
celebrate December 25th because to them it is all about Jesus.
That was the same excuse that Aaron used when he and most of the rest
of the people of Israel worshipped the golden calf while Moses was up
on the mountain getting the Law of God. Aaron actually said that the
worship of the golden calf was being done to the Lord as we read in
Exodus 32:5....
When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and
announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD."
But we know how that turned out.
God was not pleased.
At all.
In fact, He was furious.
In the same way, God is not pleased when we celebrate pagan holidays
and keep traditions that have been pagan for thousands of years.
The Cynic
> The Mystery Of The Pagan Origin Of Christmas: Jesus Was Not Born On
> December 25th But A Whole Bunch Of Pagan Gods Were
>
Moron.
I have pummeled you umpteen times not to throw stones from a glass
house. Why have you not condemned the weird religious practices of
your own fellowmen? For instance throwing stones (hee hee hee) at a
devil? You think any devil will be there to be stoned? Hee hee hee
Do you know some Islamists forbid Muslim women from buying cucumbers
or tomatoes because they resemble male organs and they also killed
killed female goats because because their private parts were not
covered and their tails were pointed upward, which they said was
haram.
You want me to list other weird practices. Challenge me if you
dare!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not against any religion or their practices but it gets on my
nerves when idiots start poking fun at other religions without
realizing their practices look ridiculous to outsiders.
Reply me, I challenge you. But being a thick-skinned coward that you
are, you will simple slink away in the true style of a snake-oil
seller.
arah
Cynic
I challenge you to provide proof from the bible that Jesus was born on
25 December!!!!!
The Anti-Christ Paul
by
Abdullah Smith
Follow Jesus or Follow Paul?
The New Testament gives us a choice; either we follow Jesus Christ, or
the anti-Christ Paul of Tarsus: Each one demands his followers to
accept his teachings:
Be ye followers of me… that ye remember me in all things, and keep the
ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you. (1 Corinthians 11:1)
“If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John
8:31)
Amazing, the former preached against the teachings of Jesus, and the
latter, (Jesus) teaches that salvation is only attained by following
him. According to Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-21, and Micah
6:7-8, a man is responsible for his own sin. Jesus rejected the
Pauline doctrine of “vicarious atonement”. Compare the two passages
below:
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without
shedding of blood is no remission. (Hebrews 9:22)
Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and
one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the priests that
without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can then the blood
offering of the law take away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood
offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the
conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay,
it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of the Nazorenes, Lection
33, verses 1-2)
Jesus was circumcised, Paul rejected circumcision:
This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy
seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And
the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not
circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
broken my covenant. (Genesis 17:14)
When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God
commanded him. (Genesis 21:4)
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the
passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let
him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the
land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. (Exodus 12:48)
On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named
Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.
(Luke 2:21)
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and
said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot
be saved. (Acts 15:1)
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of
mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of
the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
not to leave the other undone. (Matthew 23:23)
The Jewish Law commands the circumcision on the eighth day. The reason
why Christians are not circumcised is because they follow Paul. They
have broken the covenant of Circumcision according to Jesus himself
(5:19)
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor
uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. (Galatians 5:6, KJV)
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any
value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through
love. (NIV)
The Talmud states the following to those who break the Covenant:
"The one who voids the covenant of Abraham has no portion in the world
to come (Avot 3:16).
Christians may not have any “portion in the world to come” because
they have totally rejected the Message of Jesus, replacing the Gospel
with the Gospel of Paul.
"The Christianity which the nations claim to follow is the religion of
Paul, who is admittedly the chief and almost the only theologian that
the Church recognizes. Because of his betrayal of the Master's
teachings, the vision of true Christianity has been so dimmed that men
have been able to defend war and a host of other evils, such as flesh
eating and slavery, on the authority of the Bible." (Christ or Paul?
Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore)
"Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul
and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master
taught.... For the surest way to betray a great Teacher is to
misrepresent his message.... That is what Paul and his followers did,
and because the Church has followed Paul in his error it has failed
lamentably to redeem the world.... The teachings given by the blessed
Master Christ, which the disciples John and Peter and James, the
brother of the Master, tried in vain to defend and preserve intact
were as utterly opposed to the Pauline Gospel as the light is opposed
to the darkness." (ibid, Rev. V.A. Holmes Gore)
"True Christianity, which will last forever, comes from the gospel
words of Christ not from the epistles of Paul. The writings of Paul
have been a danger and a hidden rock, the causes of the principal
defects of Christian theology." (Ernest Renan, Saint Paul)
"There is not one word of Pauline Christianity in the characteristic
utterances of Jesus.... There has really never been a more monstrous
imposition perpetrated than the imposition of Paul's soul upon the
soul of Jesus.... It is now easy to understand how the Christianity of
Jesus... was suppressed by the police and the Church, while Paulinism
overran the whole western civilized world, which was at that time the
Roman Empire, and was adopted by it as its official faith. (Androcles
and the Lion, George Bernard Shaw)
The Christian missionaries today are preaching the Gospel of Paul, and
rejecting the Gospel of Jesus. Paul emphasized that salvation is
attained through “faith and grace” which is blatantly opposite of what
Jesus taught.
"Paul... did not desire to know Christ.... Paul shows us with what
complete indifference the earthly life of Jesus was regarded.... What
is the significance for our faith and for our religious life, the fact
that the Gospel of Paul is different from the Gospel of Jesus?.... The
attitude which Paul himself takes up towards the Gospel of Jesus is
that he does not repeat it in the words of Jesus, and does not appeal
to its authority.... The fateful thing is that the Greek, the
Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul
in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but displaces
it." (The Quest for the Historical Jesus, Albert Schweitzer)
“We have already noted that every teaching of Jesus was already in the
literature of the day….. Paul, the founder of Christianity, the writer
of half the NT, almost never quotes Jesus in his letters and
writings." (Professor Smith in his “The World Religions”, p 330)
Saul/Paul had set out initially to subvert Jesus’ teachings. Later he
used his new doctrines to undermine the power of the Jewish church as
well as the defied Roman Emperor. Paul sought to torpedo Judaism in
its calcified form, its narrow interpretation of the Judaic law. Jesus
had initiated this process but did not subvert the law. Paul had no
such inhibitions; he rejected wholesale many fundamental laws of God.
In the attempt Paul succeeded in undermining both the Jewish and
Nazarene teachings. He steered Christ’s teachings away from monotheism
and from the Jews, (the lost sheep of Israel) and directed these
teachings in a corrupted form to Non-Jews…As Jesus had not succeeded
during his mission in converting the majority of his Jewish brothers
and sister to his divinely inspired interpretations of Judaism, Paul
ensured that after Jesus had departed, that Jews would not be temped
to follow Jesus’ Teachings. To this end, Paul so adulterated Jesus’
life, purpose, mission and claims to make the new dogma (Paul’s
version of Jesus’ teachings) repugnant to the Jews. (Farouk Hosein,
Fundamentalism Revisited, Eniath’s Printing Company Trinidad, p. 49)
The Jewish Christians reacted strongly to Paul, they rejected his
pagan ideas of the “divinity of Christ”, and they rejected the concept
of the “divine sonship” of Jesus, whom they regarded as a Prophet and
Messenger.
The Jewish Christians rejected Paul’s version of ‘Christ’, to them the
‘Christ’ was anointed and fully human. Many characters in the Bible
were called ‘Christ’ (anointed) but they were never divine ‘god-men’.
Paul changed the original meaning of this title to make it conform to
the Gentile thinking. The Romans considered their Emperors to be the
‘sons of God’, or personages of the sun. Similarly, the Hindus
consider their heroes to be the ‘incarnations’ of God.
“A true Jew would have immediately recognized the teaching of Jesus as
a reaffirmation of what Moses had taught. But to many a pagan, it must
have seemed new and strange and perhaps a little complicated. Most of
the pagans still believed in a multitude of gods who, it was thought,
mixed freely with human beings, mated with them, and took part in
every sphere of human life. To the common people of Greece, any
description of Jesus must have seemed like a description of one of
their gods, and they were probably quite ready to accept Jesus in this
capacity. There was always room for one more god. However, the actual
teaching of Jesus negated all their gods, since it affirmed the Divine
Unity”. (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus: Prophet of Islam 1992 edition,
p. 62)
Paul’s reasoning had two major consequences. It not only resulted in
further changes being made to what Jesus had taught, but also prepared
the way for completely changing people’s ideas of who Jesus was. He
was being transformed from a man to a conception in people’s minds.
Divinity had been attributed to Jesus even when he was on earth by
some of those who marveled at his words and miracles, and who,
mistakenly, considered him to be more than a prophet. Some of his
enemies had also spread the rumor that he was the “son of God”, hoping
to rouse the orthodox Jew’s anger against him for associating himself
with God. Thus, even before he disappeared, there had been a tendency
to obscure his true nature and ascribe godhood to Jesus. This
imaginary figure of Christ, who apparently had the power to annul what
Jesus had previously taught, was clearly no ordinary mortal, and,
inevitably, became confused by many with God. Thus, this imaginary
figure became an object of worship, and was associated with God.
(Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, p. 70)
The great scholar Mawdudi alludes to the deification of Jesus by the
“Christians”.
The false tendencies, born of centuries of deviations, ignorance and
malpractice, now took another form. Though they accepted their
Prophets during their lives and practiced their teachings, after their
deaths they introduced their own distorted ideas into their religions.
They adopted novel methods of worshipping God; some even took to the
worship of their Prophets. They made the Prophets the incarnations of
God or the sons of God; some associated their Prophets with God in His
Divinity. (Towards Understanding Islam, p. 39)
Jesus taught Salvation comes through Faith and Works, Paul distorted
it:
Jesus taught salvation is attained by keeping the commandments,
physical prayer, fasting, and observing the Law of Moses. Paul
neglected these commands and distorted the Path to Salvation preached
by Jesus.
Paul said that “salvation comes through faith and grace” which is
exactly what the missionaries are saying today. Let us read the words
of Jesus.
Fasting is commanded:
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (Matthew
17:21)
And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by
prayer and fasting. (Mark 9:29)
Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of Israel
were assembled with fasting, and with sackclothes, and earth upon
them. (Nehemiah 9:1)
And in every province, whithersoever the king's commandment and his
decree came, [there was] great mourning among the Jews, and fasting,
and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in sackcloth and ashes. (Esther
4:3)
But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing [was] sackcloth: I
humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own
bosom. (Psalms 35:13)
When I wept, [and chastened] my soul with fasting, that was to my
reproach. (Psalms 69:10)
My knees are weak through fasting; and my flesh faileth of fatness.
(Psalms 109:24)
Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye [even] to me with all your
heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: (Joel
2:12)
Christians do not fast, Muslims fast during the holy month of Ramadan,
so they must be considered the true followers of Jesus. The (only)
excuse Christians have for not fasting is echoing the teachings of
Paul, who discarded these laws altogether!
Physical Prayer is commanded:
The Prophets of God prayed with their forehead touching the ground.
Likewise, the Muslims also pray in this manner:
And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, (Genesis
17:3)
And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the
LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to
take my master's brother's daughter unto his son. (Genesis 24:48)
And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now
come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and
said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? (Joshua 5:14)
And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and
supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: (Daniel 9:3)
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed,
saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:
nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt]. (Matthew 26:39)
Paul rejected these laws; he disobeyed the physical prayer to Yahweh.
He distorted the prayer and directed it towards His Prophet, Jesus!
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in
heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; (Philemon
2:10)
This verse is absolutely outrageous and repulsive, totally disgusting!
The Old Testament teaches that Prayer is due to God alone:
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in]
righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall
bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isaiah 45:23)
It seems that Christians have abandoned this verse, following the
teaching of Paul by worshipping Jesus! According to the Holy Quran,
associating partners (in worship) with God is unforgivable:
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He
forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with
Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (4:48)
In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of
Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will
were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every -
one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the
heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He
pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things." (5:17)
They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said
Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the
garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers
be no one to help. (5:72)
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the
messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of
truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth
make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded
away from the truth! (5:75)
They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in
derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of
Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no
god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the
partners they associate (with Him). (9:31)
Jesus Forbade the Gentiles:
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into
the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter
ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew
10:5-6)
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the
house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)
Paul rejected this command of NOT preaching to the Gentiles, they were
restricted. Paul openly preached among the Gentiles, a totally
different religion:
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the
Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (Romans 11:13)
Don’t be like the pagans!
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think
they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them,
for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. (Matthew
6:7-8)
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out
before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I
abhorred them. (Leviticus 20:23)
The Church Father Iranaeus condemned Paul for inventing ‘Christianity’
from pagan beliefs:
Iranaeus believed in One God and supported the doctrine of the manhood
of Jesus. He bitterly criticized Paul for being responsible for
injecting doctrines of the pagan religions and Platonic philosophy
into Christianity. (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus Prophet of Islam,
1992 edition, p. 77)
The pagans used to wear tattoos and eat swine, the unclean pig. The
“Christians” are imitating them today:
'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on
yourselves. I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he
cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch;
they [are] unclean to you. (Leviticus 11:7-8)
The Bible says that decorating trees is PAGAN; this refers to the
“Christmas tree”.
For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out
of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and
with hammers, that it move not. (Jeremiah 10:3-4)
Paul corrupted the teachings of Jesus claiming that his supposed
“sacrifice on the cross” is the only way to salvation. We have already
seen how this concept is false, according to the Bible itself, and the
Gospel of the Nazorenes.
After Jesus’s time, there came to be two sects of Christians: those
who followed St. Paul (who is the real founder of modern Christianity)
and those who followed the Apostles of Jesus. In course of time, the
Pauline sect overshadowed the Apostles’ sect. So Paul’s own writings,
as well as the Gospels written under his influence, came to be
accepted by the later Christian Church as Scripture.
http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=8061
The Gospels are Hellenistic religious narratives in the tradition of
the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament, which constituted
the “Scriptures” to those Greek-speaking Christians who wrote the four
canonical Gospels and who appealed to it, explicitly or implicitly, in
nearly every paragraph they wrote. (Randal Helms, Gospel Fictions, p.
16)
The New Testament was written under the influence of Paul, the four
Gospel writers were Gentile converts to Pauline Christianity. Hence,
there is nothing Jewish about the New Testament, it was solely written
for Pauline Christians whose background was pagan.
The Hebrew Scriptures of the Nazarenes and Ebionites were destroyed by
the Pauline Church. The original sayings of Jesus were lost forever.
The New Testament today exists in Greek, and not Hebrew or Aramaic,
the spoken tongues of Jesus.
The Gospel of Matthew seems to be the “most Jewish” book in the New
Testament,
Luke was a Gentile and not eye-witness
Mark was Barnabas’s nephew and not eye-witness
John was martyred decades before the Gospel (bearing his name) was
even written.
Nevertheless, the four Gospels are NOT mentioned by name before the
year 190 CE. We have scholarly quotations to back this claim.
Unfortunately, the sources we have on Jesus are very scarce and
scanty, Ignatius (died 110 CE) records the baptism of Jesus but he
fails to record any thing else.
The Apostolic Church Fathers never mention the miracles in the
Gospels; they fail to mention the four Gospels by name. The story of
the “resurrection” (as told in the Gospels) was fabricated later
because they fail to record it. The seven epistles of Ignatius fall
into the category of silence, they speak nothing about Jesus.
Paul has written his own personal account of the “resurrection” which
contradicts the Gospels. In conclusion, the Gospels are fabricated
because Philo Judaeus and many other historians fail to mention their
supernatural events.
The New Testament makes it clear that nobody witnessed the
“resurrection”, the disciples never witnessed the “resurrection”, they
all ‘forsook him and fled’ at Gethsemane.
Paul says Jesus Christ is a mystery!
In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into
the mystery of Christ, (Ephesians 3:4)
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of
utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in
bonds: (Colossians 4:3)
According to Paul, Jesus was not a real person; he was a spiritual
conception in people’s minds:
Paul’s reasoning had two major consequences. It not only resulted in
further changes being made to what Jesus had taught, but also prepared
the way for completely changing people’s ideas of who Jesus was. He
was being transformed from a man to a conception in people’s minds.
(Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus Prophet of Islam, p. 70)
Paul did not care about the historical Jesus, whom he never met. He
transformed Jesus into a ‘god-man’.
His reluctance to say very much at all about Jesus the man, in his
letters, he quoted hardly any of the sayings of Jesus, in his
apostleship to the Gentiles. Jesus, according to the flesh that is
historical Jesus, did not serve his purpose
Pauline Christology has only minimally to do with the actual
historical Jesus. Hence, the faith in Christ as held by primitive
preaching led by Paul was something new in comparison with the
preaching of Jesus, it was a new type of religion based god-man of
Pagan Religion.
(The Hijacking of Christianity, Al Haj A.D. Ajijola, p. 4)
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http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/anti_christ_paul_1.htm
On Dec 15, 9:09 pm, The Cynic <i.thecy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Aleks Bornikov , FSB Moskow
because the Greeks authors wanted to fabricate
Jesus Christ as a Superman with Holy Ghost as the Father
which
fucked the cunt of Mary ,who was the adulterous wife of
Joseph .
Yesua Jesus was a Greek Fantasy story of
a Superman with Super natural forces,
just like most Greek Gods and Godesses.
> some of those who marveled ...
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Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
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Muhammad chose one god, from among hundreds of pagan gods, to be his
one monotheistic god.
Islam is "Polytheism with a monotheistic veil". Islam is Repackaged
Polytheism.
Islam Is Paganism In Monotheistic Wrapping Paper. But Muslims may not
like what they see when they unwrap the box.
Islam: Truth or Myth? start page
It is clear, from a historical point of view, that Muhammad, as a
youth participated in worshipping all the 360 pagan gods in the Kabah
in Mecca owned and operated by the Quraish tribe to which Muhammad was
member in good standing. As Muhammad grew up, he was influenced by
Christians (monotheists) who condemned the polytheism at the Kabah. At
some point in Muhammad’s life, he was convinced by the Christians that
Polytheism was wrong and sought to reject the 360 pagan gods he had
grown up with. Muhammad was converted to the concept of monotheism
through the influence and teachings of Christians. However, being a
proud "nationalistic cultural Arab", bent to preserve his traditions,
Muhammad, decided to "reform" his native pagan religion, rather than
adopt a completely different religion like Christianity. So Muhammad
took the top pagan god of the Kabah in Mecca (called Hubal and/or
Allah) and chose it to be his new monotheistic god. This god was
already considered the top god among other gods at the Kabah.
Muhammad’s strategy was simple. Rather than converting all the Arab
people to the monotheism of Christianity, Muhammad merely banished the
other 359 pagan gods and chose the one remaining to be the one and
only god... what Muslims refer to today as "Allah". Thus Islam was
born.
If Muhammad was trying to convert one of his fellow pagan Arabs to
monotheism, the conversation probably went something like this:
Muhammad: "You know, worshipping all these pagan gods is really silly.
There must be a supreme god, a "THE GOD". (the god is what Allah
actually means) We already refer to the chief or head of the Kabah as
"Allah", lets continue to worship that god, but do away with all the
others. I don’t want to discard the Allah, the Lord of the Kabah that
we already worship, rather I only want to remove his wife and his
daughters and all the other gods. And lets never refer to Allah again
as "Hubal" or call him the moon god, because Allah, being our new
monotheistic supreme god, created the moon.
We have identified many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad
grafted directly into Islam virtually unchanged. The symbols, the
temples and the rituals of modern Islam were practiced by polytheists
before Muhammad was born. Islam is Repackaged Polytheism. "Polytheism
with a monotheistic veil"
Muhammad and "Pharaoh Akhenaton the monotheist" (1379 BC). Like
Akhenaton, Muhammad chose one god, from among hundreds of pagan gods,
to be his one monotheistic god. Both merely repackaged polytheism and
called it monotheism. We have identified 12 key similarities between
the religious reforms of Akhenaton and Muhammad.
The Library of Islam’s Pagan Past
Power Search Library
Master index of 133 books on Islam that document the pagan origin of
Islam.
Library of Non-Muslim scholars quotes on the pagan origin of Islam.
We have collected about 115 complete books and quotes from scholars
that document the polytheistic origin of the symbols, rituals and
temples of Islam.
Library of Muslim scholars quotes on the pagan origin of Islam. We
have collected quotes from 17 different practicing Muslim scholars
that document the polytheistic origin of the symbols, rituals and
temples of Islam. This is a must read for those Muslims that think
Christians are misrepresenting the true history of Islam. These
Muslims say that the ritual in Islam was corrupted from its purity and
that Muhammad restored the religion practiced by Jesus and Abraham. We
merely point out that this theory cannot be true, for there is only a
pagan history to all the rituals and rites of Islam.
Practicing Muslim admit the following about the origins of Islam:
That the Hajj (pilgrimage) was practiced by pagans and adopted "as is"
into Islam.
That moon worshipped was popular in pre-Islamic Arabia.
Lat, Uzza and Manat were worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia as the
"daughters of Allah".
The "daughters of Allah" were worshipped as goddesses at the Kaba in
Mecca in pre-Islamic times.
That Allah was worshipped by Muhammad’s Quraish tribe at the Kaba as
the top ranking god among many lower polytheistic gods.
That Muhammad’s Quraish tribe also believed in a top ranking moon god
called Hubal that was distinguished from Allah.
That Muhammad’s Quraish tribe had put an idol called Habal either on
the roof of the Kaba or inside it, in pre-Islamic times.
To our knowledge, no practicing Islamic scholar admits that Allah was
worshipped as a moon god in pre-Islamic times.
Written by Brother Andrew
Wakalukong
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What I know is that you're a turd, thief.
Wakalukong
wakalukong
Christianity originally was a polytheist religion , consisting
of 3 different separate Gods :
God the father , God the Son , and God the Holy ghost .
originally Christianity had 3 different separate gods ,
only in the Council of Nicea in the 5th century did
the Bishop of Rome invented the Trinity which was a jointing
all 3 gods into one trinity ,
to counter the power of the Arian Christians which
hold the most power in the Chrisitian world . .
the Bishop of Rome usurped the power of the Arian Christians .,
all northern European converts were all Arian Christians .
Like the German , the French Franks , the Visigoth in Spain ,
the
Hunts and the Avars in Hungary and Romania were
all Arian Christians.
The Cynic
> Cynic
>
> I challenge you to provide proof from the bible that Jesus was born on
> 25 December!!!!!
>
Imbecile Arah, can you read and understand English? Go through my
comments.
I challenge you to show me where did I ever say that Jesus was born on
25 Dec.
Stupid stone-worshiping bum, are you aware that the existence of Jesus
is a question mark. You have gone cuckoo. Were you hit by the stones
thrown by your fellowmen at a non-existent devil? Hee hee hee
You are another moron, just like Crankie Lee!!!!
Now, reply me snake oil dealer.
Wakalukong
> Christianity originally was not a Monotheist religion .
>
> Christianity originally was a polytheist religion , consisting
> of 3 different separate Gods :
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Why is a thief (that's you, Komin) talking about god? Open your mouth
Thief Komin.
[Shit]
Good? Hahahaha! Are you denying you're a thief?
Wakalukong
Allah , your only god Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to have Allah as your only God .
do you believe in ONE GOD ?
arah
Where is your proof that Jesus was born on 25 December?
Contemporary Christian Evaluations of Muhammad's Prophethood *
Introduction
By Mahmut Aydin
Thomas Carlyle, in his famous lecture "The Hero as Prophet", openly
expressed the sincerity of Muhammad and the truthfulness of Islam.
The question of the status and prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad has
been one of the most crucial and controversial issues in the history
of Christian-Muslim relations.
ReadingIslam.com presents a series of articles investigating the
answers to the following questions: Can Christians acknowledge the
prophethood of Muhammad?
How have Christian Orientalists been reviewing their ideas about
Prophet Muhammad?
The articles will discuss those scholars whose views have generated
lively debate within Christianity and who have contributed
substantially and positively to the developments of Christian-Muslim
dialogue. They are Montgomery Watt, Kenneth Cragg, Hans Küng, and
David Kerr.
The question of the status and prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon
him) has been one of the most crucial and controversial issues of
Christian-Muslim relations since the advent of Islam.
So, in almost every Christian-Muslim encounter Christian
acknowledgement of the prophethood of Muhammad has been and still is
raised. Muslims ask, "Since we Muslims accept Jesus (peace be upon
him) as a genuine prophet and messenger of God, can you Christians not
reciprocate by accepting the genuineness of Muhammad's
prophethood?" (Kerr, "Theological Perspective" 119; "Christian
Assessment" 24–36)
For example, in the eight and ninth centuries, the Abbasid Caliph, Al-
Mahdi, asked this question to the Assyrian patriarch Timothy, and
Timothy answered by saying: "[Muhammad] walked in the path of the
prophets." (Gaudeul 1; 34–36)
Many Muslims strongly affirm that on almost every occasion the
Christian response to this Muslim demand has been one of the most
unsatisfactory encounters between the two faiths. This is because of
"the reluctance of Christians to recognize the prophethood of
Muhammad." (Khan 188)
From the earliest periods, Christian scholars who were in contact with
Islam and Muslims almost totally directed their efforts to rejecting
the prophethood of Muhammad. They believed that if they could manage
to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet, but rather a heretic who was
instructed by Christian monks, and was himself the author of the
Quran, and if they would discredit his revelation by showing it to
have a risen out of the social and political circumstances of a
particular place and time, then the whole of Islam would collapse.
To achieve this objective, in the Medieval period, many Western
scholars claimed that "Muhammad was a cardinal who had failed in the
election process to become pontiff and, in revenge, seceded from the
Church". (Daniel 88)
They depicted and described him in the vilest terms, using words such
as heretic, impostor, or sensualist to disgrace Muhammad in the eyes
of Christians and also in a sense, Muslims too. (Daniel 88ff; Hourani
12ff; Michel 3; Drummond 777–801; Benaboud 309–326)
...it is an important step forward in the process of reversing the
medieval world-picture of Islam... This kind of distorted image of the
Prophet Muhammad spread to such an extent that it was preserved and
perpetuated in literature such as The Divine Comedy, where Dante
consigned him to one of the lowest levels of Hell. (Miguel 103)
Annemaria Schimmel comments that this consignation of Muhammad to Hell
reflected the view of the majority of Christians who "could not
understand how after the rise of Christianity another religion could
appear in the world" ("Veneration" 3–4; "Muslim Life and Thought" 35–
61).
In short, during the Medieval period, in which Islam was regarded as
the work of the devil and Muhammad as inspired by him, almost every
polemical work repeatedly expressed that Muhammad was a wicked man who
had founded Islam with force and spread it with the sword. He was also
regarded as an erotic man especially partial to women.
On every level, this image was expounded, and it helped to prove to
Europeans that Muhammad could not be a real prophet, but rather, was a
false one. The following observation by Montgomery Watt clearly shows
how the image of Muhammad was distorted by Western writers. He notes:
None of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the
West as Muhammad. Western writers have mostly been prone to believe
the worst of Muhammad, and wherever an objectionable interpretation of
an act seemed plausible, have tended to accept it as fact. ("Mecca "
52)
Norman Daniel stresses that the hidden agenda behind these polemical
works on Muhammad was to prove that Muhammad was a mere human with no
Divine intervention in his life and hence, he could not be a prophet.
Since the recipient of a Divine Message was considered to be someone
totally different, aspects of his life which depicted him as ordinary
were further pro ofs of his falsity. (245)
After the second half of the nineteenth century, these kinds of
distorted images began to change to more objective and positive ones,
with Western Christian scholars beginning to appreciate Muhammad's
prophethood and teachings. (Kerr, 124)
For example, towards the middle of the nineteenth century, for the
first time in the history of Western Christian accounts about
Muhammad, Thomas Carlyle in his famous lecture "The Hero as
Prophet" (1840) openly expressed the sincerity of Muhammad and the
truthfulness of Islam. (53)
Despite this welcome development, Norman Daniel criticized Carlyle for
not establishing his appreciation of Muhammad's sincerity "on any
sound theoretical basis." (314)
Montgomery Watt, in his assessment of Carlyle's essay on Muhammad,
highlights the fact that this was:
…the first strong affirmation in the whole of European literature,
medieval and modern, of a belief in the sincerity of Muhammad... it is
an important step forward in the process of reversing the medieval
world-picture of Islam as the great enemy, and rehabilitating its
founder, Muhammad. ("Carlyle" 247–255)
Just before the opening session of the Second Vatican Council, Robin
Zaehner in his At Sundry Times (1958) did not hesitate to acknowledge
Muhammad's prophethood, maintaining that:
…there is no criterion by which the gift of prophecy can be withheld
from him unless it is withheld from the Hebrew prophets also. The
Quran is in fact the quintessence of prophecy. In it you have, as in
no other book, the sense of an absolutely overwhelming Being
proclaiming Himself to a people that had not known Him. (Zaehner 27)
Many Christian scholars are highlighting the importance of positive
appreciation of Muhammad. However, Carlyle's acceptance of Muhammad's
sincerity and Zaehner's acknowledgement of his prophethood should not
be understood to mean that Western Christian scholarship was ready to
acknowledge Muhammad as a prophet.
The influence of those Orientalist scholars who tried to prove that
Muhammad could not be a prophet was still very effective in the first
half of the twentieth century and even in our own times. (Bennett
63ff; Buaben, "Image" 131–167; "Scholarship" 30-52)
In the process of Christian-Muslim dialogue that was of ficially
started by the Second Vatican Council, it has been observed that both
the Roman Catholic Church and the World Council of Churches preferred
to be silent about the status of the Prophet Muhammad in their of
ficial statements. (Aydin, chapters 1-3)
Some theologians, however, have urged these of ficial bodies to break
this silence for the sake of better and more fruitful relations with
Muslims. In this respect, the prolific Catholic theologian, Hans Küng,
in his comment on the Catholic document "Nostra Aetate" stresses that
if the Catholic Church and all other Churches wish to establish a real
and fruitful dialogue with Muslims, they need to acknowledge the
prophethood of Muhammad of ficially. (27)
Daniel, too, maintains that the way for Christians to understand Islam
correctly can only proceed from their acknowledgement of Muhammad's
prophethood. He says: "It is essential for Christians to see Muhammad
as a holy figure; to see him, that is, as Muslims see him... If they
do not do so, they must cut themselves off from Muslims." (336)
Many Christian scholars and theologians have started to raise their
voices to highlight the importance of positive appreciation of
Muhammad for an efficient dialogue with Muslims in such Christian-
Muslim meetings.
At the opening speech of the International Muslim-Christian Congress
of Cordoba, 1977, the Cardinal Archbishop of Madrid urged Christians
"to forget the past and show respect for the Prophet of Islam", since
according to him, "to insult Muhammad... is an offence not only
against historical and religious truth, but also against the respect
and charity due to Muslims."
Then he asked:
How it is possible to appreciate Islam and Muslims without showing
appreciation for the Prophet of Islam and the values he has promoted?
Not to do this would not only be a lack of respect, to which the
Council exhorts Christians, but also neglect of a religious factor of
which account must be taken in theological reflection and religious
awareness. (Aguilar 165)
In another Christian-Muslim consultation, convened by the Conference
of European Churches in Salzburg , 1984, it was emphasized that
"Christians respect the prophetic tradition of the Old Testament. It
calls people to repentance in the service of the One God. It is unjust
to dismiss Muhammad out of hand as a false prophet. Christians may
recognize Muhammad as part of the same prophetic tradition, and in the
past some have done so." (Conference of European Churches, 56)
Apart from these positive statements in Christian-Muslim dialogue
meetings, there is also an increasing number of Christian thinkers who
argue for a positive Christian evaluation of the status of Muhammad.
Karen Armstrong, Lamin Sanneh, and Martin Forward urge non-Muslims to
see Muhammad positively, to take into account how God used him "as a
mercy for humankind" to bring peace and civilization to his people,
rather than seeing him as the antithesis of religious spirit and as
the enemy of decent civilization. (Armstrong 44; Sanneh, "Piety" 48;
"Significance" 25–29; 36–38; Forward 5)
The renowned theologian John Macquarrie, in his Mediators (1995),
includes him among the nine great mediators of "a new or renewed sense
of holy being." (130)
William E. Phipps too, in his recent work Muhammad and Jesus (1996),
attempts to compare the teachings of Jesus and Muhammad by regarding
them as prophets of the same family.
It is an undeniable fact for Christians that the Prophet Muhammad "for
his own part thought himself sincere, and was regarded as sincere" by
his followers both in his own day as now. Furthermore, we have seen
that this kind of positive assessment of the Prophet Muhammad enabled
the following theological questions to be placed on the agenda of
Christian-Muslim dialogue:
Can Christians acknowledge the prophethood of Muhammad?
Are they ready to regard Muhammad as the prophet of God?
Is it possible for Christians to consider Muhammad as a prophet in the
light of their own religious traditions?
In this series of articles, we will mainly concentrate on the answers
to these questions using contemporary Christian accounts. We will
limit ourselves to those scholars whose views contribute to the
development of Christian-Muslim dialogue. In so doing, we have chosen
Montgomery Watt, Kenneth Cragg, Hans Küng and David Kerr as our major
thinkers.
At this point, we reiterate our emphasis that those whose views are
examined here cannot be taken as a basis for generalization, but
rather as concrete illustrations of the main points.
The Cynic
> Cynic
>
> Where is your proof that Jesus was born on 25 December?
>
Imbecile, can you comprehend English?
Go through my comments a few times. If you cannot understand ask
primary school kids to decipher it to you,
I challenge you to show me where did I ever say that Jesus was born or
not born on
25 Dec. You have gone cuckoo. Were you hit by the stones
thrown by your fellowmen at a non-existent devil?
Stupid stone-worshiping bum, are you aware that the existence of Jesus
is a question mark. Intellectuals doubt if there was ever such a
person.
You are another moron, just like Crankie Lee!!!! All of you just love
to be pummeled by me. Hee hee hee
Wakalukong
allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to
have Allah as your only God ." <voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> wakalukong,
>
> do you believe in ONE GOD ?
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Thief, don't try to distract anyone. The world is smarter than you
think, moron. You've been exposed as a thief; I've got you by the
balls. I think I'll fry them. Do you want your balls rare or well
done? Hahahaha!
Wakalukong
Roger Pearse
> Christianity originally was not a Monotheist religion .
>
> Christianity originally was a polytheist religion , consisting
> of 3 different separate Gods :
> God the father , God the Son , and God the Holy ghost .
>
> originally Christianity had 3 different separate gods ,
> the Bishop of Rome invented the Trinity which was a jointing
> all 3 gods into one trinity ,
> to counter the power of the Arian Christians which
> hold the most power in the Chrisitian world . .
I'm afraid someone has been playing games with you. There is no
period at which Christians believed in three Gods. The first council
of Nicaea was in the 4th century, and was not concerned with the
Trinity -- which was formulated in the 2nd century, as a summary of
the biblical position -- but with the homoousion. The bishop of Rome
did not even attend the council, being too old and ill.
One reason Christianity must be true is that those who oppose it are
forced to rely on falsehoods like these. Don't be misled!
All the best,
Roger Pearse
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
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to convert non-Muslims to Islam-or force them to live as inferiors
under Islamic rule.
In The Truth about Muhammad, you'll learn
- The truth about Muhammad's multiple marriages (including one to a
nine-year-old) - How Muhammad set legal standards that make it
virtually impossible to prove rape in Islamic countries - How
Muhammad's example justifies jihad and terrorism - The real "Satanic
verses" incident (not the Salman Rushdie version) that remains a
scandal to Muslims - How Muhammad's faulty knowledge of Judaism and
Christianity has influenced Islamic theology--and colored Muslim
relations with Jews and Christians to this day.
Recognizing the true nature of Islam, Spencer argues, is essential for
judging the prospects for largescale Islamic reform, the effective
prosecution of the War on Terror, the democracy project in Afghanistan
and Iraq, and immigration and border control to protect the United
States from terrorism.
All of which makes it crucial for every citizen (and policymaker) who
loves freedom to read and ponder The Truth about Muhammad.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/recommended-books-to-understand-jihad-dhimmitude.html
arah
My dear JW
Have you read Robert Spencer ,Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is
and Islam Isn't
Robert Spencer fail his history classes and is a liar
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or
participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of
Christianity. (List incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
* As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial
edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian
mob. Pagan priests were killed.
* Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
* Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea,
the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the
Heliopolis.
* Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis
were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
* Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
* Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed,
because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all
Christian teachings..."
* In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
* In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on
demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
* The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn
to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]
Mission
* Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to
convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
* Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church
taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain
5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
* 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by
Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
* 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and
civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable
beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common
of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of
the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother
of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what
sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte
off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche
side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused
"greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde
fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99,
225]
Crusades (1095-1291)
* First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
* Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
thousands. [WW23]
* 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands
respectively. [WW25-27]
* Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles
conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
* After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and
60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
[WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the
enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their
bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres.
[EC60]
* Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were
eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
* Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish,
Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was
such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of
our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people
marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of
gratitude."
* The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to
look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay
fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the
blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies
and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of
all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the
victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous
sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that
within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels
perished." [TG79]
* Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following
summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of
decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
* Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the
name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
* Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
* Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291
probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas
alone). [WW224]
Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
Heretics and Atheists
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1137511050
On Dec 20, 9:19 am, jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com wrote:
Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is an Unique Son of GOD
> http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=...
The Cynic
> My dear JW
>
> Have you read Robert Spencer ,Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is
> and Islam Isn't
>
Hey coward Arah, you dare not accept my challenge and instead take on
others on stupid topics
Why don't you answer me MORON? Simple. You don't have the brains.
Hee hee hee
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
wrote:
> On Dec 18, 12:00 pm, wakalukong <wakaluko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Christianity originally was not a Monotheist religion .
>
> > Christianity originally was a polytheist religion , consisting
> > of 3 different separate Gods :
> > God the father , God the Son , and God the Holy ghost .
>
> > originally Christianity had 3 different separate gods ,
> > only in the Council of Niceain the 5th century did
> > the Bishop of Rome invented the Trinity which was a jointing
> > all 3 gods into one trinity ,
> > to counter the power of the Arian Christians which
> > hold the most power in the Chrisitian world . .
>
> I'm afraid someone has been playing games with you. There is no
> period at which Christians believed in three Gods. The first council
So Christians never believed that Jesus is God? Which is nonsense.
Christians always believe that Jesus is God, so who is the father and
lord that Jesus prayed to?
The only rational explanation is that there is another god, so if
Jesus is also God, Christians therefore believe in at least 2 gods
which
they refuse to acknowledge.
Allah , your only god Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to have Allah as your only God .
father Fucker God the Father Fucker ,
the Son Fucker God Jesus Christ who fucked prostitute St.
mary's cunt hole .
and God the Holy Ghost which fucked Jesus Christ ' s
mother another St. mary
they all fucked ,
these 3 separate gods .
only after 325 AD , after the Council of Nicaea which
invented the Trinity ,
Christian religion originally was a Polytheist religion .
Jan 2, 9:41 am, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com>
wrote:
Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
DECEMBER was originally the 10th month of the year , not
the 12th month of the year as it is today .
Pope Gregory changed the calendra in the 16th century .
to make DECEMBER into the 12th months of the year .
in Europe ,
originally Europeans celebrated the new year
in Freb or in March , just like the Chinese
and the Jews.
Pope Gregory changed all that .
Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
are you making up stories , like most christians ?
n Dec 19 2009, 9:28 am, Roger Pearse <roger.pea...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
remember
the Early gospels were written by Greek HOMoSEXUALS .
n Dec 19 2009, 9:28 am, Roger Pearse <roger.pea...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
Christians worship Yesua Jesus Christ by
eating the symbolic Flesh of Yesua Jesus Christ .
Christianity is a Pagan religion .
n Jan 3, 12:32 pm, "Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam"
Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is an Unique Son of GOD
Jan 12, 7:10 pm, "Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam"
Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a Goat
Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is an Unique Son of GOD"
KOMIN THE CAMBODIAN DONKEY ARGUING WITH KOMIN THE CAMBODIAN BLOOMING
IDIOT
the Black LEARN GA kock of the Fucking Boudha
n Jan 16, 11:21 am, "Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the
Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is an Unique Son of GOD"
<veak...@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger Pearse
wrote:
> On Dec 20 2009, 1:28 am,Roger Pearse<roger.pea...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 12:00 pm, wakalukong <wakaluko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Christianity originally was not a Monotheist religion .
>
> > > Christianity originally was a polytheist religion , consisting
> > > of 3 different separate Gods :
> > > God the father , God the Son , and God the Holy ghost .
>
> > > originally Christianity had 3 different separate gods ,
> > > only in the Council of Niceain the 5th century did
> > > the Bishop of Rome invented the Trinity which was a jointing
> > > all 3 gods into one trinity ,
> > > to counter the power of the Arian Christians which
> > > hold the most power in the Chrisitian world . .
>
> > I'm afraid someone has been playing games with you. There is no
> > period at which Christians believed in three Gods. The first council
>
> So Christians never believed that Jesus is God? Which is nonsense.
Indeed so. Christians ALWAYS believed that Jesus is God. They didn't
believe in three gods.
> The only rational explanation is that there is another god...
Your ideas about how the Trinity 'must' work are probably not a good
guide to what Christians thought or think.
Roger Pearse
acceptable to some people. Verify your facts before spreading them.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
On Jan 3, 5:32 am, "Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam"
<hinduvis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roger Pearce,
>
> remember
> the Early gospels were written by Greek HOMoSEXUALS .
>
> n Dec 19 2009, 9:28 am,Roger Pearse<roger.pea...@googlemail.com>
> >Roger Pearse- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
manjid
However, what type of calendar are you using.
How many time changes were made in the Georgian Calendar?
And what worthiness does the fact have that he is born on the 25th?
I muslims believe in Jezus (isa) when is he then born?
You challenge peopel to provide proof from the bible I challenge YOU
to proof he was BORN!
On 16 dec 2009, 03:17, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cynic
>
> I challenge you to provide proof from the bible that Jesus was born on
> 25 December!!!!!
>
> The Anti-Christ Paul
>
> by
> Abdullah Smith
>
> Follow Jesus or Follow Paul?
>
> The New Testament gives us a choice; either we follow Jesus Christ, or
> the anti-Christ Paul of Tarsus: Each one demands his followers to
> accept his teachings:
>
> Be ye followers of me… that ye remember me in all things, and keep the
> ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you. (1 Corinthians 11:1)
>
> “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John
> 8:31)
>
> Amazing, the former preached against the teachings of Jesus, and the
> latter, (Jesus) teaches that salvation is only attained by following
> him. According to Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-21, and Micah
> 6:7-8, a man is responsible for his own sin. Jesus rejected the
> Pauline doctrine of “vicarious atonement”. Compare the two passages
> below:
>
> And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without
> shedding of blood is no remission. (Hebrews 9:22)
>
> Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and
> one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the priests that
> without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can then the blood
> offering of the law take away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood
> offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the
> conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay,
> it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of the Nazorenes, Lection
> 33, verses 1-2)
>
> Jesus was circumcised, Paul rejected circumcision:
>
> This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy
> seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And
> the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not
> circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> broken my covenant. (Genesis 17:14)
>
> When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God
> commanded him. (Genesis 21:4)
>
> And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the
> passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let
> him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the
> land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. (Exodus 12:48)
>
> On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named
> Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.
> (Luke 2:21)
>
> And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and
> said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot
> be saved. (Acts 15:1)
>
> Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
> shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
> heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be
> called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19)
>
> Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of
> mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of
> the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
> not to leave the other undone. (Matthew 23:23)
>
> The Jewish Law commands the circumcision on the eighth day. The reason
> why Christians are not circumcised is because they follow Paul. They
> have broken the covenant of Circumcision according to Jesus himself
> (5:19)
>
> For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor
> uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. (Galatians 5:6, KJV)
>
> For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any
> value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through
> love. (NIV)
>
> The Talmud states the following to those who break the Covenant:
>
> "The one who voids the covenant of Abraham has no portion in the world
> to come (Avot 3:16).
>
> Christians may not have any “portion in the world to come” because
> they have totally rejected the Message of Jesus, replacing the Gospel
> with the Gospel of Paul.
>
> "The Christianity which the nations claim to follow is the religion of
> Paul, who is admittedly the chief and almost the only theologian that
> the Church recognizes. Because of his betrayal of the Master's
> teachings, the vision of true Christianity has been so dimmed that men
> have been able to defend war and a host of other evils, such as flesh
> eating and slavery, on the authority of the Bible." (Christ or Paul?
> Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore)
>
> "Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul
> and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master
> taught.... For the surest way to betray a great Teacher is to
> misrepresent his message.... That is what Paul and his followers did,
> and because the Church has followed Paul in his error it has failed
> lamentably to redeem the world.... The teachings given by the blessed
> Master Christ, which the disciples John and Peter and James, the
> brother of the Master, tried in vain to defend and preserve intact
> were as utterly opposed to the Pauline Gospel as the light is opposed
> to the darkness." (ibid, Rev. V.A. Holmes Gore)
>
> "True Christianity, which will last forever, comes from the gospel
> words of Christ not from the epistles of Paul. The writings of Paul
> have been a danger and a hidden rock, the causes of the principal
> defects of Christian theology." (Ernest Renan, Saint Paul)
>
> "There is not one word of Pauline Christianity in the characteristic
> utterances of Jesus.... There has really never been a more monstrous
> imposition perpetrated than the imposition of Paul's soul upon the
> soul of Jesus.... It is now easy to understand how the Christianity of
> Jesus... was suppressed by the police and the Church, while Paulinism
> overran the whole western civilized world, which was at that time the
> Roman Empire, and was adopted by it as its official faith. (Androcles
> and the Lion, George Bernard Shaw)
>
> The Christian missionaries today are preaching the Gospel of Paul, and
> rejecting the Gospel of Jesus. Paul emphasized that salvation is
> attained through “faith and grace” which is blatantly opposite of what
> Jesus taught.
>
> "Paul... did not desire to know Christ.... Paul shows us with what
> complete indifference the earthly life of Jesus was regarded.... What
> is the significance for our faith and for our religious life, the fact
> that the Gospel of Paul is different from the Gospel of Jesus?.... The
> attitude which Paul himself takes up towards the Gospel of Jesus is
> that he does not repeat it in the words of Jesus, and does not appeal
> to its authority.... The fateful thing is that the Greek, the
> Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul
> in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but displaces
> it." (The Quest for the Historical Jesus, Albert Schweitzer)
>
> “We have already noted that every teaching of Jesus was already in the
> literature of the day….. Paul, the founder of Christianity, the writer
> of half the NT, almost never quotes Jesus in his letters and
> writings." (Professor Smith in his “The World Religions”, p 330)
> Saul/Paul had set out initially to subvert Jesus’ teachings. Later he
> used his new doctrines to undermine the power of the Jewish church as
> well as the defied Roman Emperor. Paul sought to torpedo Judaism in
> its calcified form, its narrow interpretation of the Judaic law. Jesus
> had initiated this process but did not subvert the law. Paul had no
> such inhibitions; he rejected wholesale many fundamental laws of God.
> In the attempt Paul succeeded in undermining both the Jewish and
> Nazarene teachings. He steered Christ’s teachings away from monotheism
> and from the Jews, (the lost sheep of Israel) and directed these
> teachings in a corrupted form to Non-Jews…As Jesus had not succeeded
> during his mission in converting the majority of his Jewish brothers
> and sister to his divinely inspired interpretations of Judaism, Paul
> ensured that after Jesus had departed, that Jews would not be temped
> to follow Jesus’ Teachings. To this end, Paul so adulterated Jesus’
> life, purpose, mission and claims to make the new dogma (Paul’s
> version of Jesus’ teachings) repugnant to the Jews. (Farouk Hosein,
> Fundamentalism Revisited, Eniath’s Printing Company Trinidad, p. 49)
>
> The Jewish Christians reacted strongly to Paul, they rejected his
> pagan ideas of the “divinity of Christ”, and they rejected the concept
> of the “divine sonship” of Jesus, whom they regarded as a Prophet and
> Messenger.
>
> The Jewish Christians rejected Paul’s version of ‘Christ’, to them the
> ‘Christ’ was anointed and fully human. Many characters in the Bible
> were called ‘Christ’ (anointed) but they were never divine ‘god-men’.
> Paul changed the original meaning of this title to make it conform to
> the Gentile thinking. The Romans considered their Emperors to be the
> ‘sons of God’, or personages of the sun. Similarly, the Hindus
> consider their heroes to be the ‘incarnations’ of God.
>
> “A true Jew would have immediately recognized the teaching of Jesus as
> a reaffirmation of what Moses had taught. But to many a pagan, it must
> have seemed new and strange and perhaps a little complicated. Most of
> the pagans still believed in a multitude of gods who, it was thought,
> mixed freely with human beings, mated with them, and took part in
> every sphere of human life. To the common people of Greece, any
> description of Jesus must have seemed like a description of one of
> their gods, and they were probably quite ready to accept Jesus in this
> capacity. There was always room for one more god. However, the actual
> teaching of Jesus negated all their gods, since it affirmed the Divine
> Unity”. (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus: Prophet of Islam 1992 edition,
> p. 62)
>
> Paul’s reasoning had two major consequences. It not only resulted in
> further changes being made to what Jesus had taught, but also prepared
> the way for completely changing people’s ideas of who Jesus was. He
> was being transformed from a man to a conception in people’s minds.
> Divinity had been attributed to Jesus even when he was on earth by
> some of those who marveled at his words and miracles, and who,
> mistakenly, considered him to be more than a prophet. Some of his
> enemies had also spread the rumor that he was the “son of God”, hoping
> to rouse the orthodox Jew’s anger against him for associating himself
> with God. Thus, even before he disappeared, there had been a tendency
> to obscure his true nature and ascribe godhood to Jesus. This
> imaginary figure of Christ, who apparently had the power to annul what
> Jesus had previously taught, was clearly no ordinary mortal, and,
> inevitably, became confused by many with God. Thus, this imaginary
> figure became an object of worship, and was associated with God.
> (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, p. 70)
>
> The great scholar Mawdudi alludes to the deification of Jesus by the
> “Christians”.
>
> The false tendencies, born of centuries of deviations, ignorance and
> malpractice, now took another form. Though they accepted their
> Prophets during their lives and practiced their teachings, after their
> deaths they introduced their own distorted ideas into their religions.
> They adopted novel methods of worshipping God; some even took to the
> worship of their Prophets. They made the Prophets the incarnations of
> God or the sons of God; some associated their Prophets with God in His
> Divinity. (Towards Understanding Islam, p. 39)
> Jesus taught Salvation comes through Faith and Works, Paul distorted
> it:
>
> Jesus taught salvation is attained by keeping the commandments,
> physical prayer, fasting, and observing the Law of Moses. Paul
> neglected these commands and distorted the Path to Salvation preached
> by Jesus.
>
> Paul said that “salvation comes through faith and grace” which is
> exactly what the missionaries are saying today. Let us read the words
> of Jesus.
>
> Fasting is commanded:
>
> Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (Matthew
> 17:21)
>
> And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by
> prayer and fasting. (Mark 9:29)
>
> Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of Israel
> were assembled with fasting, and with sackclothes, and earth upon
> them. (Nehemiah 9:1)
>
> And in every province, whithersoever the king's commandment and his
> decree came, [there was] great mourning among the Jews, and fasting,
> and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in sackcloth and ashes. (Esther
> 4:3)
>
> But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing [was] sackcloth: I
> humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own
> bosom. (Psalms 35:13)
>
> When I wept, [and chastened] my soul with fasting, that was to my
> reproach. (Psalms 69:10)
>
> My knees are weak through fasting; and my flesh faileth of fatness.
> (Psalms 109:24)
>
> Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye [even] to me with all your
> heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: (Joel
> 2:12)
>
> Christians do not fast, Muslims fast during the holy month of Ramadan,
> so they must be considered the true followers of Jesus. The (only)
> excuse Christians have for not fasting is echoing the teachings of
> Paul, who discarded these laws altogether!
>
> Physical Prayer is commanded:
>
> The Prophets of God prayed with their forehead touching the ground.
> Likewise, the Muslims also pray in this manner:
>
> And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, (Genesis
> 17:3)
>
> And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the
> LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to
> take my master's brother's daughter unto his son. (Genesis 24:48)
>
> And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now
> come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and
> said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? (Joshua 5:14)
>
> And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and
> supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: (Daniel 9:3)
> And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed,
> saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:
> nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt]. (Matthew 26:39)
>
> Paul rejected these laws; he disobeyed the physical prayer to Yahweh.
> He distorted the prayer and directed it towards His Prophet, Jesus!
>
> That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in
> heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; (Philemon
> 2:10)
>
> This verse is absolutely outrageous and repulsive, totally disgusting!
> The Old Testament teaches that Prayer is due to God alone:
>
> I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in]
> righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall
> bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isaiah 45:23)
>
> It seems that Christians have abandoned this verse, following the
> teaching of Paul by worshipping Jesus! According to the Holy Quran,
> associating partners (in worship) with God is unforgivable:
>
> Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He
> forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with
> Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (4:48)
>
> In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of
> Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will
> were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every -
> one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the
> heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He
> pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things." (5:17)
>
> They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said
> Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
> Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the
> garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers
> be no one to help. (5:72)
>
> Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the
> messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of
> truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth
> make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded
> away from the truth! (5:75)
>
> They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in
> derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of
> Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no
> god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the
> partners they associate (with Him). (9:31)
>
> Jesus Forbade the Gentiles:
>
> These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into
> the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter
> ye not:
>
> But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew
> 10:5-6)
>
> But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the
> house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)
>
> Paul rejected this command of NOT preaching to the Gentiles, they were
> restricted. Paul openly preached among the Gentiles, a totally
> different religion:
>
> For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the
> Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (Romans 11:13)
>
> Don’t be like the pagans!
>
> And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think
> they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them,
> for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. (Matthew
> 6:7-8)
>
> And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out
> before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I
> abhorred them. (Leviticus 20:23)
>
> The Church Father Iranaeus condemned Paul for inventing ‘Christianity’
> from pagan beliefs:
>
> Iranaeus believed in One God and supported the doctrine of the manhood
> of Jesus. He bitterly criticized Paul for being responsible for
> injecting doctrines of the pagan religions and Platonic philosophy
> into Christianity. (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus Prophet of Islam,
> 1992 edition, p. 77)
>
> The pagans used to wear tattoos and eat swine, the unclean pig. The
> “Christians” are imitating them today:
>
> 'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on
> yourselves. I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)
>
> And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he
> cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.
>
> Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch;
> they [are] unclean to you. (Leviticus 11:7-8)
>
> The Bible says that decorating trees is PAGAN; this refers to the
> “Christmas tree”.
>
> For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out
> of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
>
> They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and
> with hammers, that it move not. (Jeremiah 10:3-4)
>
> Paul corrupted the teachings of Jesus claiming that his supposed
> “sacrifice on the cross” is the only way to salvation. We have already
> seen how this concept is false, according to the Bible itself, and the
> Gospel of the Nazorenes.
>
> After Jesus’s time, there came to be two sects of Christians: those
> who followed St. Paul (who is the real founder of modern Christianity)
> and those who followed the Apostles of Jesus. In course of time, the
> Pauline sect overshadowed the Apostles’ sect. So Paul’s own writings,
> as well as the Gospels written under his influence, came to be
> accepted by the later Christian Church as Scripture.http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=8061
> The Gospels are Hellenistic religious narratives in the tradition of
> the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament, which constituted
> the “Scriptures” to those Greek-speaking Christians who wrote the four
> canonical Gospels and who appealed to it, explicitly or implicitly, in
> nearly every paragraph they wrote. (Randal Helms, Gospel Fictions, p.
> 16)
>
> The New Testament was written under the influence of Paul, the four
> Gospel writers were Gentile converts to Pauline Christianity. Hence,
> there is nothing Jewish about the New Testament, it was solely written
> for Pauline Christians whose background was pagan.
>
> The Hebrew Scriptures of the Nazarenes and Ebionites were destroyed by
> the Pauline Church. The original sayings of Jesus were lost forever.
> The New Testament today exists in Greek, and not Hebrew or Aramaic,
> the spoken tongues of Jesus.
>
> The Gospel of Matthew seems to be the “most Jewish” book in the New
> Testament,
>
> Luke was a Gentile and not eye-witness
>
> Mark was Barnabas’s nephew and not eye-witness
>
> John was martyred decades before the Gospel (bearing his name) was
> even written.
>
> Nevertheless, the four Gospels are NOT mentioned by name before the
> year 190 CE. We have scholarly quotations to back this claim.
>
> Unfortunately, the sources we have on Jesus are very scarce and
> scanty, Ignatius (died 110 CE) records the baptism of Jesus but he
> fails to record any thing else.
>
> The Apostolic Church Fathers never mention the miracles in the
> Gospels; they fail to mention the four Gospels by name. The story of
> the “resurrection” (as told in the Gospels) was fabricated later
> because they fail to record it. The seven epistles of Ignatius fall
> into the category of silence, they speak nothing about Jesus.
>
> Paul has written his own personal account of the “resurrection” which
> contradicts the Gospels. In conclusion, the Gospels are fabricated
> because Philo Judaeus and many other historians fail to mention their
> supernatural events.
>
> The New Testament makes it clear that nobody witnessed the
> “resurrection”, the disciples never witnessed the “resurrection”, they
> all ‘forsook him and fled’ at Gethsemane.
>
> Paul says Jesus Christ is a mystery!
>
> In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into
> the mystery of Christ, (Ephesians 3:4)
>
> Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of
> utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in
> bonds: (Colossians 4:3)
> According to Paul, Jesus was not a real person; he was a spiritual
> conception in people’s minds:
>
> Paul’s reasoning had two major consequences. It not only resulted in
> further changes being made to what Jesus had taught, but also prepared
> the way for completely changing people’s ideas of who Jesus was. He
> was being transformed from a man to a conception in people’s minds.
> (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus Prophet of Islam, p. 70)
>
> Paul did not care about the historical Jesus, whom he never met. He
> transformed Jesus into a ‘god-man’.
>
> His reluctance to say very much at all about Jesus the man, in his
> letters, he quoted hardly any of the sayings of Jesus, in his
> apostleship to the Gentiles. Jesus, according to the flesh that is
> historical Jesus, did not serve his purpose
>
> Pauline Christology has only minimally to do with the actual
> historical Jesus. Hence, the faith in Christ as held by primitive
> preaching led by Paul was something new in comparison with the
> preaching of Jesus, it was a new type of religion based god-man of
> Pagan Religion.
> (The Hijacking of Christianity, Al Haj A.D. Ajijola, p. 4)
>
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>
> On Dec 15, 9:09 pm, The Cynic <i.thecy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Chea Sim , president of Cambodia
st March ,
but Julius Caesar changed to 1st Jan in 45 BC.
Pope Gregory 13th decided , after the Council of Trent in
1563,
to change the date of Easter as proposed by Lilius .
Gregory 13th made a few days disappeared because
Pope Gregory changed the date on
the 5th Oct 1582 immediately to 14th Oct, 1582 .
December was originally the 10th month of every year .
but Christians changed December to be the 12th month of
every year .
the birth Date of Yesua Hamoshiach Christ was fake ,
altered , and falsified
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