Ho Chi Minh in 1946, "It is better to sniff the French Dung for a while than eat China's all our lives."

[sk....@gmail.com]

From "Ho Chi Minh: A Political Biography" by Jean Lacoutre
http://www.amazon.com/Ho-Chi-Minh-Jean-Lacouture/dp/0713900407



"It is better to sniff the French Dung for a while than eat China's all our lives." - Ho Chi Minh in 1946.

[rst0]

It's all in Satish's imagination.
Notice he didn't provide any reference or link to the book.

[sk....@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:48:39 AM UTC-7, rst0 wrote:
> It's all in Satish's imagination.
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> Notice he didn't provide any reference or link to the book.

Yale Guen Mar, you well know what he said. PRC's 1979 invasion of Vietnam and continuing acts of piracy in the South China Sea show how prescient Ho Chi Minh was.

Ho Chi Minh in 1946:

"You fools! Don't you realize what it means if the Chinese remain? Don't you remember your history? The last time the Chinese came, they stayed a thousand years. The French are foreigners. They are weak. Colonialism is dying. The white man is finished in Asia. But if the Chinese stay now, they will never go. As for me, I prefer to sniff French shit for five years than to eat Chinese shit for the rest of my life." - Ho Chi Minh in 1946

References:

[1] A History (1983) by Stanley Karnow, p. 153;

[2] A Phoenix Reborn: Travels in New Vietnam (2008) by Andrew Forbes

[3] http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

[rst9]

This quote itself is a lie. China never ruled over Vietnam for a thousand years.
I doubt seriously Ho Chi Minh said that. Without China, Vietnam would not exits today. China provided the Viet Minh arms and advisors for their early resistance of France.

[sk....@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 10:45:41 AM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> This quote itself is a lie. China never ruled over Vietnam for a thousand years.
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The Chinese domination of Vietnam (Vietnamese: bắc thuộc, "belonging to the North" began in 111 BC, and is usually considered to have ended in 938 AD. A fourth, relatively brief, 20-year punitive invasion by the Ming dynasty, 400 years later, is usually excluded by historians in discussion of the main, almost continuous, period of Chinese colonization from 111 BC to 938 AD.


First Chinese domination of Vietnam (111 BC–39 AD) Chinese incursions, followed by Chinese victory in the Han-Nanyue War (111 BC), established Chinese rule in Vietnam. This was briefly interrupted by the revolt of the Trưng Sisters (40–43 AD).

Second Chinese domination of Vietnam (43–544) ended by the revolt of Lý Nam Đế who lead a rebellion taking advantage of internal disorder in China and the weakness of the waning Southern Liang dynasty. This secured 60 years of independence for Vietnam, but following regime change and consolidation of power in China, the new Sui dynasty sent an overwhelmingly large army south to reestablish control over northern Vietnam in 602.

Third Chinese domination of Vietnam (602–938) starting with the peaceful abdication by Lý's successor in the face of overwhelming Chinese numbers, and marked by entrenchment of mandarin administration. The period concluded with the internal collapse of China's Tang dynasty and Ngô Quyền's destruction of the Southern Han armada at the naval Battle of Bach Dang River (938).


Fourth Chinese domination of Vietnam (1407–1427) a 20-year occupation by the Ming dynasty army, from Vietnamese defeat in the Ming–Hồ War (1406–1407) to Vietnamese rebellion and Lê Lợi's defeat of the Chinese at the Battle of Tốt Động – Chúc Động (1427).

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> I doubt seriously Ho Chi Minh said that. Without China, Vietnam would not exits today. China provided the Viet Minh arms and advisors for their early resistance of France.

You would post anything and everything against the grain of evidence for your 50 cents per post from the CCP dictatorship in Beijing, won't you?


Yale Guen Mar, you well know what Ho Chi Minh said in 1946. PRC's 1979 invasion of Vietnam and continuing acts of piracy in the South China Sea show how prescient Ho Chi Minh was.

Ho Chi Minh in 1946:

"You fools! Don't you realize what it means if the Chinese remain? Don't you remember your history? The last time the Chinese came, they stayed a thousand years. The French are foreigners. They are weak. Colonialism is dying. The white man is finished in Asia. But if the Chinese stay now, they will never go. As for me, I prefer to sniff French shit for five years than to eat Chinese shit for the rest of my life." - Ho Chi Minh in 1946

References:

[1] A History (1983) by Stanley Karnow, p. 153;

[2] A Phoenix Reborn: Travels in New Vietnam (2008) by Andrew Forbes

[3] http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

[4] Ho Chi Minh: A Political Biography by Jean Lacoutre

[rst9]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 1:57:48 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> The Chinese domination of Vietnam (Vietnamese: bắc thuộc, "belonging to the North" began in 111 BC, and is usually considered to have ended in 938 AD.

Han Dynasty (200 BC to 200 AD)
See map of China during the Han Dynasty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Dynasty

Three Kingdom period (184 AD - 280 AD)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms

Sixteen Kingdoms (304 AD - 439 AD)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen_Kingdoms

The Northern Wei Dynasty (Chinese: 北魏朝; pinyin: Běi Wèi Cháo), also known as the Tuoba Wei (拓拔魏), Later Wei (後魏), or Yuan Wei (元魏), was a Mongolic dynasty which ruled northern China from 386 to 534 (de jure until 535).

The Sui Dynasty (581–618 AD)[1] was a short-lived Imperial Chinese dynasty. Preceded by the Southern and Northern Dynasties, it unified China for the first time after over a century of north-south division. It was followed by the Tang Dynasty.

The Tang Dynasty (Chinese: 唐朝; Mandarin Pinyin: Táng Cháo; Jyutping: tong4 ciu4; IPA: [tʰɑ̌ŋ tʂʰɑ̌ʊ]; Middle Chinese: Dâng) (June 18, 618 – June 1, 907)

The Five Dynasties:
Later Liang Dynasty (June 1, 907–923) <---
Later Tang Dynasty (923–936) <----
Later Jin Dynasty (936–947) <---- 3 non-Chinese dynasties.
Later Han Dynasty (947–951 or 979, depending on whether Northern Han is considered part of the dynasty)
Later Zhou Dynasty (951–960)
The Ten Kingdoms: Wu (907–937), Wuyue (907–978), Min (909–945), Chu (907–951), Southern Han (917–971), Former Shu (907–925), Later Shu (934–965), Jingnan (924–963), Southern Tang (937–975), Northern Han (951–979).
Other regimes: Yan, Qi, Zhao, Yiwu Jiedushi, Dingnan Jiedushi, Wuping Jiedushi, Qingyuan Jiedushi, Yin, Ganzhou, Shazhou, Liangzhou.

The Song Dynasty (Chinese: 宋朝; pinyin: Sòng Cháo; Wade-Giles: Sung Ch'ao; Cantonese Jyutping: sung3 ciu4; IPA: [sʊ̂ŋ tʂʰɑ̌ʊ̯]) was a ruling dynasty in China between 960 and 1279; it succeeded the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Period

The Liao Dynasty (Khitan: Mos Jælud; Mongolian: Ляо Улс/Lyao Uls; simplified Chinese: 辽朝; traditional Chinese: 遼朝; pinyin: Liáo Cháo;),[2] also known as the Khitan Empire (Khitan: Mos diau-d kitai huldʒi gur; Mongolian: Хятан Гүрэн, Кидан Гүрэн; simplified Chinese: 契丹国; traditional Chinese: 契丹國; pinyin: Qìdān Guó),[3] was an empire in East Asia that ruled over Mongolia and portions of the Russian Far East, northern Korea, and northern China proper from 907 to 1125

Yuan Dynasty (1271 AD - 1368 AD) <-------- non-Chinese

Ming Dynasty (1368 - 1644 AD)

Qing Dynasty (1644 AD - Dynasty) <-------- Non-Chinese

What we called "China" today never had a thousand year continuous control of the land known as "China" today.

> A fourth, relatively brief, 20-year punitive invasion by the Ming dynasty, 400 years later, is usually excluded by historians in discussion of the main, almost continuous, period of Chinese colonization from 111 BC to 938 AD.

Bullshit. The three Kingdom period was basically limited to the Yellow and Yangtze Rivers area.

> First Chinese domination of Vietnam (111 BC–39 AD) Chinese incursions, followed by Chinese victory in the Han-Nanyue War (111 BC), established Chinese rule in Vietnam. This was briefly interrupted by the revolt of the Trưng Sisters (40–43 AD).

Only a very small portion of northern Vietnam.

> Second Chinese domination of Vietnam (43–544) ended by the revolt of Lý Nam Đế who lead a rebellion taking advantage of internal disorder in China and the weakness of the waning Southern Liang dynasty. This secured 60 years of independence for Vietnam, but following regime change and consolidation of power in China, the new Sui dynasty sent an overwhelmingly large army south to reestablish control over northern Vietnam in 602.

China was busy fighting among itselves during the 3-kingdom period.
Southern Liang dynasty - There were many kingdoms fighting among themselves in China.

> Third Chinese domination of Vietnam (602–938) starting with the peaceful abdication by Lý's successor in the face of overwhelming Chinese numbers, and marked by entrenchment of mandarin administration. The period concluded with the internal collapse of China's Tang dynasty and Ngô Quyền's destruction of the Southern Han armada at the naval Battle of Bach Dang River (938).

The Tang Dynasty was not Chinese. Tang's were part Turks.

> Fourth Chinese domination of Vietnam (1407–1427) a 20-year occupation by the Ming dynasty army, from Vietnamese defeat in the Ming–Hồ War (1406–1407) to Vietnamese rebellion and Lê Lợi's defeat of the Chinese at the Battle of Tốt Động – Chúc Động (1427).
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You are combining many different kingdoms, many different types of different tribes of different people, and many different wars at different times into one event.

Shame on you. These cannot be considered as "a thousand year".
All of them were only a small portion of Vietnam, not the whole Vietnam.