Lawlessness and legitimate protest
ltlee1
Khamenei said on Wednesday that the Iranian nation and the country’s
Islamic system will not give in to lawlessness “at any cost” on the
presidential election results. "
How can one distinguish between lawlessness and legitimate protest?
And from a distance?
Demorising
A question for ltlee: Is Chinese law more like Western law or is it
more like Sharia law?
rst9
Why "more like Western law"? Could Western Law more like Chinese
laws? If it were, perhaps, there wouldn't be so much killing,
robberies, rapes, terriorsts,...
TFK
there is no rule of law in chicomland - even constitution is BS - there is
arbitrary rule by law in theland of the great copy/fake/lie
careful what posonous food you eat after being reemed by the ccp cadre
"rst9" <rst9...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tienxia
The Chinese government doesn't prevent Chinese people from emigrating
to other countries - it's those "other countries" that don't allow
Chinese people to immigrate into theirs!
Ever heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act in the USA? Of course not,
otherwise you wouldn't be dribbling anti China garbage here. Well,
read: http://sun.menloschool.org/~mbrody/ushistory/angel/exclusion_act/
. I presume you can read for yourself, can't you? That bill was not
effectively repealed until July, 1968! Read:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/documents/docpages/document_page47.htm .
Tell "demorising" to quickly send that kiwi for you to bugger. You are
showing increasing signs of frustration seizures and demonic epilepsy!
On Jun 25, 3:40 pm, "TFK" <tfkmjk6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> china is a paradise hence PRC serfs do not try to immigrate legally/ilegally
>
> there is no rule of law in chicomland - even constitution is BS - there is
> arbitrary rule by law in theland of the great copy/fake/lie
>
> careful what posonous food you eat after being reemed by the ccp cadre
>
> "rst9" <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Demorising
It is interesting that Chinese law is similar to law in Iran which is
based on Sharia law. Both are rule by law as opposed to rule of law.
If legal systems filled a linear scale, one might think the atheistic
(godless communists) CCP would be at one end of a spectrum whereas the
Islamic Republic of Iran (religion is the crutch of the small mind
according to you) would be at the other, with Western law in the
middle. It seems Iran and China have arrived at the same type of rule
by law systems because these systems are not based on reasoning or
principle. They are nonmodern.
cnhktwsgusukfrru
represents “Allah” and is above the President of Iran, he is "the
law". Got it?
On Jun 25, 9:05 am, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
TFK
Why is one of the authors of Charter 08 arrested ?- no freedom of expression
in facist chicom land
50 cents for your mindless dribble and to take it the bum from CCP cadre as
well - tragic
"Tienxia" <xan...@who.net> wrote in message
news:967cb5b4-22ff-4702...@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
Tienxia
must be way down on their list of useful lackeys.
I see that English is your second language, thus your inability to
understand what I wrote in response to your previous post.
> > robberies, rapes, terriorsts,...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Demorising
More questions for ltlee: Apparently you consider your criticism of
the American government and American media as legitimate protest. How
do you distinguish your postings from lawlessness? How can you be sure
that your legitimate protest today won't be perceived as lawlessness
in the future?
ltlee1
I raised the question because the protestors were reportedly throwing
rocks and gasoline bombs toward people and buildings. Am I doing the
same thing against American government and American media?
ltlee1
No. I don't see it that way.
Christianity is an integral part of western culture. And of course,
Judaism, Christianity, and Muslim are just different peas coming out
from the same pod.
I don't know much about Muslim law. I, however, do know this. The
biggest difference between China and the west is that the former sees
human nature as intrinsically good and the latter sees human nature as
intrinsically evil. The evile nature of man in the west would dictates
that westerners are to be ruled by law for simple reason. If the
people are born evil and they cannot become good through rational
reasoning or moral persuasion, it is inevitable that they have to be
ruled by something higher and more powerful. Whether one calls it God
given law or law makes no differece. God is an intelgral part of the
justice system and its assumed presence is readily demonstrated in
almost all courtroom proceedings. In China, the common expression is
"heaven's principle, the conutry's law and the people's feeling" or
the "emperor's way is not outside of human condition." Human needs to
follow law but they will not be subsumed under the the law.
Tienxia
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200801/fallows-chinese-dollars
On Jun 26, 12:28 pm, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
Demorising
What you are doing (criticizing the government and media as well as
questioning the legitimacy of the supreme leader [Obama's birth
certificate]) is a crime in many countries (for example, China and
Iran). Currently there is freedom of speech in USA, but that could
change in the future. USA could adopt rule by law rather than rule of
law at which point you would be at risk.
ltlee1
> On Jun 26, 1:39 pm, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 12:28 pm, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 9:05 am, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "TEHRAN – Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Ali
> > > > Khamenei said on Wednesday that the Iranian nation and the country’s
> > > > Islamic system will not give in to lawlessness “at any cost” on the
> > > > presidential election results. "
>
> > > > How can one distinguish between lawlessness and legitimate protest?
> > > > And from a distance?
>
> > > More questions for ltlee: Apparently you consider your criticism of
> > > the American government and American media as legitimate protest. How
> > > do you distinguish your postings from lawlessness? How can you be sure
> > > that your legitimate protest today won't be perceived as lawlessness
> > > in the future?
>
> > I raised the question because the protestors were reportedly throwing
> > rocks and gasoline bombs toward people and buildings. Am I doing the
> > same thing against American government and American media?
>
> What you are doing (criticizing the government and media as well as
> questioning the legitimacy of the supreme leader [Obama's birth
> certificate]) is a crime in many countries (for example, China and
> Iran).
Please substantiate your claim that criticizing the government is a
crime in China if you are not making thing up . Quote the law if you
can.
> Currently there is freedom of speech in USA, but that could
> change in the future. USA could adopt rule by law rather than rule of
> law at which point you would be at risk.
As I had explained to you, USA is already ruled by law since all
citizens
are assumed to be evil.
Demorising
Please substantiate your suggestion that criticizing the government is
not a crime in China by taking one criticism of the government, write
it down in Chinese characters in big red letters on a banner, then
stand with it in Tiananmen Square.
ltlee1
If criticizing the government is a crime, then the law book must have
such a law.
If one causes a commotion which then causes obstruction by hoisting a
large
banner in a place not designated for that function, he will be asked
to leave or hauled
away in China as well as in America. However, this will have nothing
to do witih
whether criticizing the government is a crime.
> > > Currently there is freedom of speech in USA, but that could
> > > change in the future. USA could adopt rule by law rather than rule of
> > > law at which point you would be at risk.
>
> > As I had explained to you, USA is already ruled by law since all
> > citizens
> > are assumed to be evil.
>
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> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
TFK
"cnhktwsgusukfrru" <cnhktwsg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tienxia
must be way down on their list of useful lackeys.
I see that English is your second language, thus your inability to
understand what I wrote in response to your previous post.
On Jun 26, 8:58 am, "TFK" <tfkmjk6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Red the post again dimwit.
> Why is one of the authors of Charter 08 arrested ?- no freedom of expression
> in facist chicom land
> 50 cents for your mindless dribble and to take it the bum from CCP cadre as
> well - tragic
On Jun 26, 10:01 am, "TFK" <tfkmjk6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> what a medieval concept - get into the 21st century"cnhktwsgusukfrru" <cnhktwsgusukf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:60cad1ce-9735-45d9...@l34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> You have to ask Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei because he
> represents “Allah” and is above the President of Iran, he is "the
> law". Got it?
>
> On Jun 25, 9:05 am, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "TEHRAN – Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Ali
> > Khamenei said on Wednesday that the Iranian nation and the country’s
> > Islamic system will not give in to lawlessness “at any cost” on the
> > presidential election results. "
>
> > How can one distinguish between lawlessness and legitimate protest?
> > And from a distance?- Hide quoted text -
OD
Well, if it's against the law to hold a banner, (I'd like you'd to find that
law by the way) then just write it on a piece of paper and hold it in front
of you.
TFK
"Tienxia" <xan...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:732cd0ea-ce8a-4a5e...@r36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
cnhktwsgusukfrru
right? :-)
On Jun 26, 10:01 am, "TFK" <tfkmjk6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> what a medieval concept - get into the 21st century"cnhktwsgusukfrru" <cnhktwsgusukf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:60cad1ce-9735-45d9...@l34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> You have to ask Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei because he
> represents “Allah” and is above the President of Iran, he is "the
> law". Got it?
>
> On Jun 25, 9:05 am, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "TEHRAN – Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Ali
> > Khamenei said on Wednesday that the Iranian nation and the country’s
> > Islamic system will not give in to lawlessness “at any cost” on the
> > presidential election results. "
>
> > How can one distinguish between lawlessness and legitimate protest?
> > And from a distance?- Hide quoted text -
Tienxia
Dumbo:
Still haven't received your fresh kiwi from demonizing, have you? You
must be way down on their list of useful lackeys. I see that English
is your second language, thus your inability to understand what I
wrote in response to your previous post.
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Demorising
Co-author of Charter 08 was arrested under law against subversion. If
you criticize the CCP government by writing a document, you can be
arrested under this law or just arrested arbitrarily.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/world/asia/25liu.html?ref=world
One of China’s best-known dissidents, Liu Xiaobo, has been arrested
for “activities aimed at subversion,” state media and human rights
groups said on Wednesday, in the latest sign of a hardening of
government policy toward dissent. Mr. Liu has been in detention since
Dec. 8, after he signed a document, Charter 08, which calls for
multiparty democracy in China. The document was released two days
after his arrest.
ltlee1
> On Jun 26, 1:39 pm, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 12:28 pm, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 9:05 am, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "TEHRAN – Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Ali
> > > > Khamenei said on Wednesday that the Iranian nation and the country’s
> > > > Islamic system will not give in to lawlessness “at any cost” on the
> > > > presidential election results. "
>
> > > > How can one distinguish between lawlessness and legitimate protest?
> > > > And from a distance?
>
> > > More questions for ltlee: Apparently you consider your criticism of
> > > the American government and American media as legitimate protest. How
> > > do you distinguish your postings from lawlessness? How can you be sure
> > > that your legitimate protest today won't be perceived as lawlessness
> > > in the future?
>
> > I raised the question because the protestors were reportedly throwing
> > rocks and gasoline bombs toward people and buildings. Am I doing the
> > same thing against American government and American media?
>
> What you are doing (criticizing the government and media as well as
> questioning the legitimacy of the supreme leader [Obama's birth
> certificate]) is a crime in many countries
A sizeable number of Americans are questioning the legitimacy of
America's supreme leader. Obama's birth certificate and hence his
legitimacy is a genuine and spontaneous concern to many American
citizens. No one has yet argued that these concerns are unreal and/or
the results of foreign agents.
The latest episode concerning Obama's birth place:
"In a statement released today, WorldNetDaily Editor and Chief
Executive Officer Joseph Farah says he is offering a $10,000
reward to anyone who can prove he or she was present at the
birth of Barack Obama – and he's asking Americans to donate
to the cause in hopes of raising the bounty to an irresistible
amount."
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977722880
"President Barack Hussein Obama Kenya Birth Certificate for sale on
Ebay.
Interesting! Could be a hoax.
Why doesn't Obama release his records to prove he is a natural born
citizen and is eligible to hold the office of President?
If a person wants to donate to the hospital of Obama's birth to honor
him, where do they send the check?
If a person wants to recognize the doctor who delivered Obama, how can
he be contacted?
If a person wants to interview a witness of Obama's birth, how can a
witness be located?
A long form birth certificate would help answer these questions.
Where is the Birth Certificate?"
> (for example, China and
> Iran). Currently there is freedom of speech in USA, but that could
> change in the future. USA could adopt rule by law rather than rule of
> law at which point you would be at risk.- Hide quoted text -
ltlee1
And in America, Timothy McViegh rented a truck and Timothy McVeigh
got
executed. Right? Sorry, juxtaposition of events does not prove
anything. A
whole lot had happened between the two events. Similarly a whole lot
could
have happened between Liu Xiaobao had signed a document and he being
arrested. Show the court document on why he was arrested. Would you?
document specifying why he was indicted?
ltlee1
I had posted two links before.
One was several people holding up signs in Beijing portesting. They
were
not arrested. The link was from Chnese media. Another one was two
young
men, presumabaly students from Taiwan unfurling the ROC national flag
in
TAM. The latter link was provided by the students themselves who
bragged
about their action in some website.
abia...@my-deja.com
his own issue - mental illness.
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Tienxia
wrote:
> How can you expect psycho Tienxia face the issue. He can't even face
> his own issue - mental illness.
>
...... asked Meichi, masquerading as "abianchen", but can't accept
that she is an ugly Thai whore, so pretends to be "a guy from Taiwan
who can speak/read/write perfect Chinese".
Abianchen exposed:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/c18fae0f23508eea?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/d1971d57ca263a53?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eb17f7812691865b?hl=en
OD
So now you're saying holding a banner is not against the law. So then you
now think there is no problem doing what Demorising suggested? I'd like to
see if you have the guts to do that. It would certainly prove your point.
So when are you going to do it?
TFK
"Tienxia" <xan...@mail.com> wrote in message
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rst9
wrote:
> How can you expect psycho Tienxia face the issue. He can't even face
> his own issue - mental illness.
The one with mental illness is abianchen cunt, who continues to lie
about herself.
She thinks she's a guy but has no balls. She has a cunt with big
clitoris as she masturbate a lot.
She thinks she's from Taiwan because one Taiwan clothing manufacturing
company's fashion show changed her entire life. And also because of
this, she thinks she's a Chinese.
She tried to learn Chinese, but can only copy from Mainland China
newspapers and were caught using the simplified form of Chinese as
Taiwan does not recognize or use the simplified form of Chinese
writing.
abianchen is the biggest mental case of all. She's making a fool of
herself and doesn't even know it.
Tienxia
Obviously you couldn't understand what I wrote, so here it is
again,Dumbo:
Still haven't received your fresh kiwi from demonizing, have you? You
must be way down on their list of useful lackeys. I see that English
is your second language, thus your inability to understand what I
wrote in response to your previous post.
abia...@my-deja.com
make his mental illness worse, he will start to fake your alias for
revenge. He has faked my account, chuandetu, Roland Moshki... etc
netters’ alias to harass other netters.
Psycho Tienxia has served as a no brainer sidekick for his master
Rusty Old Fool (rst9/rst0wxyz), Rusty still could not stand him and
called him “the worst son-of-a-bitch of all” so you can see how bad he
is!
Here's the link (when Tienxia posted as Xangdi):
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/120d5bcf4bea72d1?hl=en
abian...@yahoo.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/meichi_cunt_aka_abianchen_filthy_smelly_pussy/
You like?
On Jun 28, 9:38 am, "TFK" <tfkmjk6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
ltlee1
You could have answer the "when" question yourself.
The answer is: When I/you/they see the necessity of holding up a
banner. What else could it be?
abia...@my-deja.com
worse. He will fake abianchen's account to harass people. So be
careful!!!
On Jun 28, 10:38 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abian_ch...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> MY WEBSITES
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/meichi_cunt_aka_abianchen_filthy_smelly_...
abian...@yahoo.com
an innocent beautiful Thai girl’s photos to frame Chinese gay,
abianchen and how his sidekick Tienxia followed suit. Enjoy!
November 6, 2008 12:39 pm, Rusty Old Fool still called abianchen “he”,
a gay. The link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/fccc40f0e1bf2602...
Two hours later, November 6, 2008 1:30pm, Rusty asked abianchen to
post his photo. The link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/60f3e2acc9814dd0...
Abianchen did not post his photo. 12 hours later, November 7 2008,
1:47am, Rusty for the first time posted a beautiful Thai girl’s
website and accused abianchen is that Thai girl with NO proof. Note
that the website is no longer available. The link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/698c3ef315dc98e1...
6 hours later, November 7 2008, 7:33am, Rusty’s no brainer sidekick
Tienxia (posted as Xangdi) wasted on time and immediately followed
suit. The link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4c1f30432567c752...
16 hours later, November 8, 2008, 12:54am, Rusty for the first time
using beautiful Thai girl’s photo to harass abianchen. The link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/6f204e14df83b82e...
Rusty then stole this innocent besutiful Thai girl’s photos and added
them to his photo album and claimed Meichi is Filipino. Obviously,
Rusty had no idea who this girl is, a Thai or a Filipino. Rusty is not
only a thief but also a liar! And apparently, to Rusty, being Filipino
or Thai is low class. The link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00
From that day… these two dumb and dumber, Rusty Old Fool and Tienxia
have teamed up to frame abianchen as “Thai whore Meichi” and have used
this beautiful girl’s photos to insult abianchen.
Abianchen has been posting Chinese politics, culture in
soc.culture.china for 9 years. Netters know him as a Chinese guy so
how can “a Thai whore” post Chinese stuff in soc.culture.china for 9
years. Rusty Old Fool and Tienxia want revenge, at least they should
make convincing lies but they did not, are they out of their minds or
just plain stupid?
Did you enjoy my story?
On Jun 28, 10:45 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
rst9
> On Jun 25, 2:19 pm, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 11:13 am, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 9:05 am, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "TEHRAN – Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Ali
> > > > Khamenei said on Wednesday that the Iranian nation and the country’s
> > > > Islamic system will not give in to lawlessness “at any cost” on the
> > > > presidential election results. "
>
> > > > How can one distinguish between lawlessness and legitimate protest?
> > > > And from a distance?
>
> > > A question for ltlee: Is Chinese law more like Western law or is it
> > > more like Sharia law?
>
> > Why "more like Western law"? Could Western Law more like Chinese
> > laws? If it were, perhaps, there wouldn't be so much killing,
> > robberies, rapes, terriorsts,...
>
> based on Sharia law. Both are rule by law as opposed to rule of law.
Laws are made by people with their upbringing views and racist
attitudes of the past, and the U.S. Supreme Court was and still is a
prime example of it. American slavery had made a sham of American law
"of the people, by the people, and for the people". "All man are
created equal" are beautiful words, but not an ideal to live for, as
two hundred years of Black American indignities can not be washed
easily. Nothing is bigger than the deeds of the people who has to
live for it.
> If legal systems filled a linear scale, one might think the atheistic
> (godless communists)
We all know God is a creation of human beings and nothing more. It's
the action and deed that count, not words, not god, not laws. America
has not and can not live up to its words written by its founding
fathers, especially Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and many many
others.
> CCP would be at one end of a spectrum whereas the
> Islamic Republic of Iran (religion is the crutch of the small mind
> according to you) would be at the other, with Western law in the
> middle. It seems Iran and China have arrived at the same type of rule
> by law systems because these systems are not based on reasoning or
> principle. They are nonmodern.
They live from past historical views of the world. They do not want
to re-make us. So let us NOT try to re-make them into the image of
ourselves. So they their upper class people, and most are lower
class. So what? We have our upper classes and our lower classes of
people. Let them be. It's none of our business how they want to
live. Iraq is a prime example of how wrong our thinking can be.
What is modern and non-modern in today's law and religion, except for
automobiles, airplanes and cell-phones? What they can not make, they
can buy!!!
abia...@my-deja.com
gets worse. He will fake abianchen's account to harass people. So be
careful!!!
On Jun 28, 10:56 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abian_ch...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
OD
The necessity is there. To prove your point. But then you aren't so stupid
to risk arrest, are you? You're smart enough to know you would face that
risk. Just too big of a coward to admit it.
anti-StupidAbianchenVirus
It's a dangerous jungle here, Meichi. You'll be better off writing in
newsgroups about Thai cooking or Thai massage.
On Jun 28, 8:16 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
smrstrauss
In the files in Hawaii. The way to get it is to petition the governor
of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, to make the birth files of a president public
documents.
Why not just get it from Obama? Because apparently he has lost the
original, long-form certificate and only has the Certification of Live
Birth, which is all that Hawaii sends out these days.
TFK
dick ridernews:3aea8936-ab3a-407e...@f33g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
abia...@my-deja.com
collection of sex toys and his experience with gay sex.
anti-StupidAbianchenVirus
for a while like False Komin, Meichi.
What ever happened to your alliance with Kanga, Anko, Skygod, Komin,
and Rusty, Meichi? Have they all seen through you and dropped you like
a piece of shit? Remember you said you were a piece of shit, Meichi?
Bwahahahaha!!
On Jun 30, 2:16 am, "abianc...@my-deja.com" <abianc...@my-deja.com>
wrote: