On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:28:26 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:55:01 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/
> >> >
> >> > "On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
> >> >
> >> > It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas
> >> > the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on
> >> > tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western
> >> > countries.
> >> > […]
> >>
> >> "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
> >> -- George Orwell
> >>
> >> Any idiot chief can *start* a war. Putin can end the war *he started*
> >> even faster. Hard play is a two way street even when Yet Another Short
> >> Victorious War had been planed by Putin The Wisest. Mistakes are paid for.
> >>
> >> Anyway: On longer run Russia is significantly more likely to prevail but
> >> it may be costly+ "victory". It is unlikely++ to be clean, fast and cheap.
> >> […]
> >
> > The US as well as some European nations certainly want to see a longer war
> > which will eventually weaken Russia significantly. But how long is longer and
> > at what cost to ALL European nations.
> It will be costly but making Putin pay little for starting open
> Ukrainian war/invasion would be much more costly in long run.
There is the view that Russia has its eyes on Ukraine's natural resources.
Such resource would give Russia a lot of staying power.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/10/ukraine-russia-energy-mineral-wealth/
"$12.4 trillion in lost wealth
Ukraine is widely known as an agricultural powerhouse. But as a raw-material mother lode, it’s
home to 117 of the 120 most widely used minerals and metals, and a major source of fossil
fuels. Official websites no longer show geolocations of these deposits; the government, citing
national security, took them down in early spring.
Yet SecDev’s analysis indicates that at least $12.4 trillion worth of Ukraine’s energy deposits,
metals and minerals are now under Russian control. That figure accounts for nearly half the
dollar value of the 2,209 deposits reviewed by the company. In addition to 63 percent of the
country’s coal deposits, Moscow has seized 11 percent of its oil deposits, 20 percent of its
natural gas deposits, 42 percent of its metals and 33 percent of its deposits of rare earth and
other critical minerals including lithium."