What Chink history prove to me really?
Red Cloud
Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization. Many chinks
are proud of this record. I read many Chinks history books. I'm still
reading. I'm so much baffled by the chink mentality and their twisted
vision of the Middle Kingdom peace and prosperity. chinks vision
all universe as Chink middle kingdom. This is why Chinks see all
200+ Mongoloid race as Middle Kingdom people. Chinks 2,400 years
old Confucian imperialism speaks the legacy of this twisted Chink
vision and mentality. The result??? What Chinks got was not peace nor
prosperity, but misery and oppression. Chink is the most closed
society in the world due to the oppressive policy which is only way
to maintain Confucian imperialism. Yet Chinks do not shed no tear nor
remorse because Chink has no shame about their past.
So what Chink history prove to me?
Answer: The more you try the more you fail- a meaning of the history.
Blooming Flowers under Full Moon
one motherfucker midget jap here forgeting on how to be grateful.
Good Samaritan
people are not the descendants of those responsible for the rising
of the chinese civilization.
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Good Samaritan
anything from the West.
But then, it is usually Koreans and Chinese who accuse Japan of
such crime.
A startling truth is that it is also the Koreans and Chinese who are
known for violating copyrights and making shoddy fake brands.
So, it looks to me the guilty parties are the ones who always
mentally project their own guilt on Japan - Chinese and Koreans.
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Blooming Flowers under Full Moon
high above, stop using the Chinese characters pls.
Musashi
And you are a typical obnoxious chinaman.
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supertech
Red Cloud.
It only shows your general ignorance of the history.
A large part of the eastern China was Dongyi, which is basically the ancient
Korea, where also Confusius was from.
I feel your post offensive and childish.
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Drydem
> Chink means more than a nation. Chink represents the civilization.
> Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
> Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
A civilization that manages to survive 5,000 must be
doing something right.
> This is why Chinks see all 200+ Mongoloid race as Middle Kingdom people.
The Mongoloid race is a western/european concept not a Chinese/Han
concept. Over 5,000 years of borders of Han Chinese civilization
has varied. Military conquest and not peace and prosperity is often
used in the western China history books to designate how the
borders Chinese civilization.
> Chinks 2,400 years old Confucian imperialism speaks the
> legacy of this twisted Chink vision and mentality.
> The result??? What Chinks got was not peace nor
> prosperity, but misery and oppression.
Not to defend imperialism, oppression, or aggression, but
imperialism and military invasions is how historically most
human civilization have operate. The USA, the Soviets/Russians,
the British, the French, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians,
the Aztecs, the Hindus, and every other so-call *great*
civilization has expanded by invading and oppressing other peoples
at one time or another. So its not just the Chinese. ISTM that
humans are genetically wired to inflict misery and oppression.
You have only to examine your own oppressive and miserable
behavior to see and know that I'm correct. I suppose
I could be more upbeat and say that every one of us has this
wonderful potential to promote peace, justice, happiness,
and prosperity --- but you find it more enjoyable to
troll on the usenet acting like a racist moron thrashing
around like a fish out of water don't you? :)
> So what Chink history prove to me?
> Answer: The more you try the more you fail- a meaning of the history.
Nilistic.. well itsm ...
Success of a people or a civilization is measured by survival itself.
So the fact that you've still complaining about chinese civilization
means that its are successful enough to irritate you.
Good Samaritan
"Drydem" <walte...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
> > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> A civilization that manages to survive 5,000 must be
> doing something right.
A 200 year old man needs to die, instead of boasting his age.
Red Cloud
> mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message news:<1c9e1197.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > Chink means more than a nation. Chink represents the civilization.
> > Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
> > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
>
> A civilization that manages to survive 5,000 must be
> doing something right.
Doing right by Mao killing 32 million of his own people!
>
>
> > This is why Chinks see all 200+ Mongoloid race as Middle Kingdom people.
>
> The Mongoloid race is a western/european concept not a Chinese/Han
> concept. Over 5,000 years of borders of Han Chinese civilization
> has varied. Military conquest and not peace and prosperity is often
> used in the western China history books to designate how the
> borders Chinese civilization.
>
Chinese do not see us different from their own version of political
view. I did not talk about any kind of religous view. This is pure
Chink imperialistic political view.
> > Chinks 2,400 years old Confucian imperialism speaks the
> > legacy of this twisted Chink vision and mentality.
> > The result??? What Chinks got was not peace nor
> > prosperity, but misery and oppression.
>
>
> Not to defend imperialism, oppression, or aggression, but
> imperialism and military invasions is how historically most
> human civilization have operate. The USA, the Soviets/Russians,
> the British, the French, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians,
> the Aztecs, the Hindus, and every other so-call *great*
> civilization has expanded by invading and oppressing other peoples
> at one time or another. So its not just the Chinese. ISTM that
> humans are genetically wired to inflict misery and oppression.
> You have only to examine your own oppressive and miserable
> behavior to see and know that I'm correct. I suppose
> I could be more upbeat and say that every one of us has this
> wonderful potential to promote peace, justice, happiness,
> and prosperity --- but you find it more enjoyable to
> troll on the usenet acting like a racist moron thrashing
> around like a fish out of water don't you? :)
>
YOu forgot those "former" empire were all gone. look at Greek, Roman,
Germany, Turkkey, Iran, British. They were big empire before, now
it's small
nation. Only exist is USA and Chinese. Given the fact that USA is
only existed 300 years less, Chiense is more imperialist than USA.
What did Chinese imperialist got over 2,000 years? Oppression. Hunger.
Disease.
During Mao time, he killed 32 millions of his own people. You
validated this
as the great chinese story. YOu must be in big illusion by your own
chinese
imperialism. There are more sincere Chienses supporting my point than
yours.
Chineses do know that their nation is really bad nation. Don't think
this is about racist. I'm not racist. YOu are using a bad english word
or brainwashed by American political jargon.
>
> > So what Chink history prove to me?
> > Answer: The more you try the more you fail- a meaning of the history.
>
> Nilistic.. well itsm ...
> Success of a people or a civilization is measured by survival itself.
> So the fact that you've still complaining about chinese civilization
> means that its are successful enough to irritate you.
History survive. People survive. Do you think Chinese survive? I
don't think so. Chiense survived at what price? Dog-eating-Dog chinese
style. Sneaky nature of Chinese people. 1.6billions human slums. Take
some moment to think about what I'm saying.
Drydem
> "Drydem" <walte...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message
> > > Chink means more than a nation. Chink represents the civilization.
> > > Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
> > > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> > A civilization that manages to survive 5,000 must be
> > doing something right.
>
> A 200 year old man needs to die, instead of boasting his age.
My Uncle Sam is over 200 years old and sees no need to die.
Drydem
> walte...@my-deja.com (Drydem) wrote in message news:<8a523498.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message news:<1c9e1197.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Chink means more than a nation. Chink represents the civilization.
> > > Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
> > > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> >
> > A civilization that manages to survive 5,000 must be
> > doing something right.
>
> Doing right by Mao killing 32 million of his own people!
It's amazing that the chinese civilization survived
Mao's Cultural Revolution isn't it?
> > > This is why Chinks see all 200+ Mongoloid race as Middle Kingdom people.
> >
> > The Mongoloid race is a western/european concept not a Chinese/Han
> > concept. Over 5,000 years of borders of Han Chinese civilization
> > has varied. Military conquest and not peace and prosperity is often
> > used in the western China history books to designate how the
> > borders Chinese civilization.
> >
>
> Chinese do not see us different from their own version of political
> view. I did not talk about any kind of religous view. This is pure
> Chink imperialistic political view.
While many european-descent westerners may see all asians-descent
people as looking the same - but that's not so in Asia. The
effort by the Chinese government to enforce a political doctrine
among everyone and to consolidate power is a common theme
among many human governments, e.g. the Soviet Union, Saudia
Arabia. The CCP does allow different political groups
and semi-automonous governmental agencies to exist but under
supervision, e.g. Ughurs, Tibet, and so forth. Also the
current chinese government doctrine of socialism and
communism is not purely of Middle Kingdom origin either since
the PRC CCP political dogma is derived on Karl Marx and
Lenin's concepts of socialism and communism were exported
from europe. To its credit the CCP abolished the previous
Tibetan Theocracy institution of slavery.
> > > Chinks 2,400 years old Confucian imperialism speaks the
> > > legacy of this twisted Chink vision and mentality.
> > > The result??? What Chinks got was not peace nor
> > > prosperity, but misery and oppression.
> >
> >
> > Not to defend imperialism, oppression, or aggression, but
> > imperialism and military invasions is how historically most
> > human civilization have operate. The USA, the Soviets/Russians,
> > the British, the French, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians,
> > the Aztecs, the Hindus, and every other so-call *great*
> > civilization has expanded by invading and oppressing other peoples
> > at one time or another. So its not just the Chinese. ISTM that
> > humans are genetically wired to inflict misery and oppression.
> > You have only to examine your own oppressive and miserable
> > behavior to see and know that I'm correct. I suppose
> > I could be more upbeat and say that every one of us has this
> > wonderful potential to promote peace, justice, happiness,
> > and prosperity --- but you find it more enjoyable to
> > troll on the usenet acting like a racist moron thrashing
> > around like a fish out of water don't you? :)
> >
>
> YOu forgot those "former" empire were all gone. look at Greek, Roman,
> Germany, Turkkey, Iran, British. They were big empire before, now
> it's small nation. Only exist is USA and Chinese.
Not exactly correct.
Actually, the Soviet Empire still exist in part as a
confederation of states with very close military
ties. One of the reasons for this is that they still
share a Military Force that has over 8,000 nuclear
warheads that must be maintained and secured. This
month they are doing a joint war game exercises to
establish their military readiness. The Soviet
Empire is gone is name only but in reality it is
still very much intact.
> Given the fact that USA is only existed 300 years less,
> Chiense is more imperialist than USA.
Non sequitar.
The gravity of imperialistic is not measured in years but
in effects over our world currently. What constitutes
imperialism to you?
> What did Chinese imperialist got over 2,000 years?
> Oppression. Hunger. Disease. During Mao time, he killed
> 32 millions of his own people. You validated this
> as the great chinese story. YOu must be in big illusion
> by your own chinese imperialism. There are more sincere
> Chienses supporting my point than yours.
I didn't say that Mao's Cultural Revolution was a
great chinese story - you did. Mao is only a small
part of Chinese history. Imperialism and territorial
expansion of the chinese civilization was not
a constant theme in the last 2,000 years of chinese
history or its culture but one that persistently
reappears due to human nature. To the credit of the
CCP they finally eliminated hunger and most
disease in China without the help of the west -
albeit many will say as you have that the price
was political and religious oppression. This is
not true for North Korea - where emergency food
supplies have run out and millions face starvation.
> Chineses do know that their nation is really bad
> nation. Don't think this is about racist. I'm not
> racist. YOu are using a bad english word
> or brainwashed by American political jargon.
Your use of the term "Chink" is racist. Racist rely
on hate and ignorance to promote their advocacy.
Your advocacy for Non Chineses ethnic groups are
strengthen by avoiding racist terms and concentrating
the issues and problems that you want to address.
For example, if you want an independent theocracy
to return to Tibet - tell people why an independent
theocracy is required and what is your beef with
current automonous theocracy that the PRC CCP
has put in place.
> >
> > > So what Chink history prove to me?
> > > Answer: The more you try the more you fail- a meaning of the history.
> >
> > Nilistic.. well itsm ...
> > Success of a people or a civilization is measured by survival itself.
> > So the fact that you've still complaining about chinese civilization
> > means that its are successful enough to irritate you.
>
> History survive.
History is survives by those who remember and
those who write them. If you allow others to
write your history - you are at the mercy of
those who paint your portrait. If all you can
do is say racial slur terms than you've given
others ample evidence to paint you as a racist.
If you are in articulate and unable to support
your advocacy then how can you hope to get
the support of future readers/viewers of your
work?
Red Cloud
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> > walte...@my-deja.com (Drydem) wrote in message news:<8a523498.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message news:<1c9e1197.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > Chink means more than a nation. Chink represents the civilization.
> > > > Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
> > > > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> > >
> > > A civilization that manages to survive 5,000 must be
> > > doing something right.
> >
> > Doing right by Mao killing 32 million of his own people!
>
> It's amazing that the chinese civilization survived
> Mao's Cultural Revolution isn't it?
>
Your trolling is good. Prove that Mao trolled killing is good to
chinese.
Hey Chink race has over 1.6 billions. Killing 32 millions is nothing.
> > > > This is why Chinks see all 200+ Mongoloid race as Middle Kingdom people.
> > >
> > > The Mongoloid race is a western/european concept not a Chinese/Han
> > > concept. Over 5,000 years of borders of Han Chinese civilization
> > > has varied. Military conquest and not peace and prosperity is often
> > > used in the western China history books to designate how the
> > > borders Chinese civilization.
> > >
> >
> > Chinese do not see us different from their own version of political
> > view. I did not talk about any kind of religous view. This is pure
> > Chink imperialistic political view.
>
> While many european-descent westerners may see all asians-descent
> people as looking the same - but that's not so in Asia. The
> effort by the Chinese government to enforce a political doctrine
> among everyone and to consolidate power is a common theme
> among many human governments, e.g. the Soviet Union, Saudia
> Arabia. The CCP does allow different political groups
> and semi-automonous governmental agencies to exist but under
> supervision, e.g. Ughurs, Tibet, and so forth. Also the
> current chinese government doctrine of socialism and
> communism is not purely of Middle Kingdom origin either since
> the PRC CCP political dogma is derived on Karl Marx and
> Lenin's concepts of socialism and communism were exported
> from europe. To its credit the CCP abolished the previous
> Tibetan Theocracy institution of slavery.
>
>
CCP has used the 2,500 years old Confucianism to maintian
their bureaucratic power. This is the most oppresive form of
government
ever existed in the world if can understand how chinese nation has
formed.
No empire from nazi to Chinese imperialism can't exist without some
kind
of brutal and oppressive form of establithment that totally
disregarded
the people right. Those empire from UK to Russia all gone because they
were not that oppressive and brutal compare to the chinese. Chinese
empire expanded over 2,500 years not becaues Chinese bureaucrat were
doing
something right, but because chinese empire is more brutal more
oppressive than
any empire in the world. All the empire except chiense must be
destoryed due to the pregressive social movement. Chinese never made
any progressed over
2,500 years on Confucianism.
And You as a single Chink race still belive in Chink imperialism over
Tibetian occupation prove that you are just another Chink liar and
propagandist! Chink imperialist destoryed Tibetian slavery???
Gimme a break! You tried to brainwash me with a same old "Dirty Chink
done dirty trick" stuff?
I support Soivet Empire to check your Chink imperialist!
Think if Soviet is a tiny nation, your chink bros would attack
all the Soviet territory like Tibet and Turkistan you chink.
Don't forget Chink Imperialist is a big nuclear weapon nation.
>
> > Given the fact that USA is only existed 300 years less,
> > Chiense is more imperialist than USA.
>
> Non sequitar.
> The gravity of imperialistic is not measured in years but
> in effects over our world currently. What constitutes
> imperialism to you?
>
greed and power over less powerful nation.
> > What did Chinese imperialist got over 2,000 years?
> > Oppression. Hunger. Disease. During Mao time, he killed
> > 32 millions of his own people. You validated this
> > as the great chinese story. YOu must be in big illusion
> > by your own chinese imperialism. There are more sincere
> > Chienses supporting my point than yours.
>
> I didn't say that Mao's Cultural Revolution was a
> great chinese story - you did. Mao is only a small
> part of Chinese history. Imperialism and territorial
> expansion of the chinese civilization was not
> a constant theme in the last 2,000 years of chinese
> history or its culture but one that persistently
> reappears due to human nature. To the credit of the
> CCP they finally eliminated hunger and most
> disease in China without the help of the west -
> albeit many will say as you have that the price
> was political and religious oppression. This is
> not true for North Korea - where emergency food
> supplies have run out and millions face starvation.
>
>
I never said thing like Mao did anything good for chineses.
Don't blame human nature for chinese imperialism.
It's Confucianism not human nature. Do you think Confucianim
is a human nature? I don't think so. Confucianism is one of many
many thousand teaching. Not absolutely truth teaching.
Your defending chinese imperialism by attacking North korean does not
make any validation. YOu do not even know that nOrth korea hunger and
political nitemare is also due to a Confucianism. '
And you cares about CCP hunger and starvation when you do not
understand
why CCP suffered so much hunger, disease and starvation? Are you so
idiot
unable to understand why there is so much hunger and stravation and
disease
in chinese history?
> > Chineses do know that their nation is really bad
> > nation. Don't think this is about racist. I'm not
> > racist. YOu are using a bad english word
> > or brainwashed by American political jargon.
>
> Your use of the term "Chink" is racist. Racist rely
> on hate and ignorance to promote their advocacy.
> Your advocacy for Non Chineses ethnic groups are
> strengthen by avoiding racist terms and concentrating
> the issues and problems that you want to address.
> For example, if you want an independent theocracy
> to return to Tibet - tell people why an independent
> theocracy is required and what is your beef with
> current automonous theocracy that the PRC CCP
> has put in place.
>
Racist is an American socio-political jargon that does not apply
dealing
with the problematic chinese imperialism. We non-chinese asian having
problem with chinese is not about race. It is your imperialistic
mindset
Chinese individual that we non-chinese Asian have to fight in order
to maintain our right and soverignity. A tibet has right to rule by
their government, and their way. You chink race has no right to tell
Tibet what is right theocracy or not. Let the Tibetian handles their
own problem if they have. NO chink race has any right. It is only your
Chink imperialist only
way and no reason is necessariy to rule Tibet.
> > >
> > > > So what Chink history prove to me?
> > > > Answer: The more you try the more you fail- a meaning of the history.
> > >
> > > Nilistic.. well itsm ...
> > > Success of a people or a civilization is measured by survival itself.
> > > So the fact that you've still complaining about chinese civilization
> > > means that its are successful enough to irritate you.
> >
> > History survive.
>
> History is survives by those who remember and
> those who write them. If you allow others to
> write your history - you are at the mercy of
> those who paint your portrait. If all you can
> do is say racial slur terms than you've given
> others ample evidence to paint you as a racist.
> If you are in articulate and unable to support
> your advocacy then how can you hope to get
> the support of future readers/viewers of your
> work?
Gimme a break! CCP has violated all the contract of blessing given
by
Lama for the peaceful existence of the CCP goverment. YOu telling
me Chinese government abided the Tibetian blessing and you telling me
I have
to be nice to these Chink bastard imperialist??? Why don't you tell
your
Mandate of Heaven authority why broke the Tibetian blessing?
Your chinese authority is worth than a racist!
Drydem
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> > > > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message news:<1c9e1197.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > > Chink means more than a nation. Chink represents the civilization.
> > > > > Many chinks are proud of their culure and 5,000 years old civilization.
> > > > > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> > > >
> > > > A civilization that manages to survive 5,000 must be
> > > > doing something right.
> > >
> > > Doing right by Mao killing 32 million of his own people!
> >
> > It's amazing that the chinese civilization survived
> > Mao's Cultural Revolution isn't it?
> >
>
> Your trolling is good. Prove that Mao trolled killing is good to
> chinese. Hey Chink race has over 1.6 billions. Killing 32
> millions is nothing.
It's not that killing people is good but that a people
and a c1ivilization refuses to die off despite your adamant
racist wish for genocide.
The CCP is organized and based on more recent european doctrine
of Marxism and Leninism - which is just as bureaucratic and can
be just as oppressive as any dictatorship. I'm not sure whether
Marxism/Socialism is more oppressive as Confucian wrt to human
rights - however, neither doctrine have a great history in
the progress of the human or civil rights
> No empire from nazi to Chinese imperialism can't exist
> without some kind of brutal and oppressive form of establithment
> that totally disregarded the people right. Those empire from
> UK to Russia all gone because they were not that oppressive
> nd brutal compare to the chinese.
Degrees of oppression? LOL. The british empire for the
most of its history supported slavery. It supported
Racial discrimination until the very end. Racial discrimination
against non white-descent was common (especially in the
military). Both empire killed ethnic and native groups
and oppressively tax the ones that remained. China's
control over Tibet is no different from the British
controlling Nepal, India, Saudia Arabia or Hong Kong.
The Soviet Empire crushing of the Czech revolt was even
more brutal than China's Tiannanmen Square. It's because
the Soviets and the British Empire were so brutal and
oppressive that created as sense of regional
nationalism and it destablized their empires. Being too
oppressive tends to generate sympathy for nationalistic
and regional opposition. The empire stay together because
only measured and limited force is applied when necessary
and the central government provides incentatives to to
the regions to cooperate and to mainatain allegience
to the empire.
> empire expanded over 2,500 years not becaues Chinese
> bureaucrat were doing something right, but because
> chinese empire is more brutal more oppressive than
> any empire in the world. All the empire except chiense must be
> destoryed due to the pregressive social movement. Chinese never made
> any progressed over
> 2,500 years on Confucianism.
IMHO
* One reason that the chinese civilization has survived is that
it is so big - size does matter. Numbers do matter.
* Another reason that the chinese civilization has survived
is that it has continually stress the more pragmatic
goals of mutual economic cooperation.
One reason that the Chinese Dynastic system was abandon for
a western political structure (republic/socialist state)
was because the Confucian Dynastic system under the Qing
Manchus failed to support economic and military needs of
the region.
> And You as a single Chink race still belive in Chink imperialism over
> Tibetian occupation prove that you are just another Chink liar and
> propagandist! Chink imperialist destoryed Tibetian slavery???
> Gimme a break! You tried to brainwash me with a same old "Dirty Chink
> done dirty trick" stuff?
The CCP did abolish Tibetian Theocratic slavery/serf system.
However, the PRC CCP is also trying to bring Tibetans into
the modern world by upgrading their education and by altering
the economics of the region. In the process, more han
chineses are moving into Tibet and many Tibetans fear
of becoming an ethnic or economically dis enfranchised
minority in their own native lands. However, unlike position
of the natives in the Isreali occupations of the West Gaza Strip
area and the Apartheid period of South African - the Tibetan
don't appear to be discriminated against based on their
ethnicity. Some reports indicate that the PRC CCP does
restrict religious and political activities there and
that movement in certain areas are restricted. Reports of
Tibetan fears of Han Chinese seem to be mainly based on
the loss of affluence/dominance. However, I haven't read
any reports indicating that ethnic Tibetans who live in China
proper (e.g. Sichuan) outside of the Tibet Automonous
Region have not voice any fears of Han Chinese.
A Sino-Soviet War norther border war did occur once
between the PRC and the USSR.
> Think if Soviet is a tiny nation, your chink bros would attack
> all the Soviet territory like Tibet and Turkistan you chink.
The USSR at the time of the Sino Soviet War was a larger than
the PRC. IIRC it was fought around Manchuria/Upper Mongolia
area. The USSR was not concern with Turkistan or Tibet.
However, India was concern with China's interest along
Tibetan - Nepal area and there was a Sino-Indian Border several
decades ago. The Turkistan area is semi-automonous; IIRC
they have problems wrt to islamic separatist movement.
The CIA-backed Tibetan separatist/revolutionary/insurgents/
freedom fighters have all given up the fight against china
and have all escaped to Nepal, India, or the USA.
> Don't forget Chink Imperialist is a big nuclear weapon nation.
Nuclear weapons might make another nuclear weapon
nation think twice about zapping you but it can't
win the peace on the ground, e.g. USA has even more
nuclear weapons but our nuclear weapons are of no use in
dealing with iraqi insurgents/terrorist/freedomfighters/
revolutionaries. Similar nuclear weapons are of no
use to China wrt to holding onto Tibet or
Inner Mongolia. Nor will nuclear weapons win back
Taiwan.
> > > Given the fact that USA is only existed 300 years less,
> > > Chiense is more imperialist than USA.
> >
> > Non sequitar.
> > The gravity of imperialistic is not measured in years but
> > in effects over our world currently. What constitutes
> > imperialism to you?
> >
>
> greed and power over less powerful nation.
geez isn't that everybody?
%\
Just reporting the facts like I see them. What historians don't
usually say is that the many mistakes made by the CCP as they tried to
implement communism and socialism paralleled errors and mistakes
made by the soviets/white russians.
> Are you so idiot unable to understand why there is so much
> hunger and stravation and disease in chinese history?
You're living in the past. Today's China doesn't have
food Shortages and starvation. Diseases like SARS
are contained - albeit the PRC CCP government
needs to improve on its response time.
> > > Chineses do know that their nation is really bad
> > > nation. Don't think this is about racist. I'm not
> > > racist. YOu are using a bad english word
> > > or brainwashed by American political jargon.
> >
> > Your use of the term "Chink" is racist. Racist rely
> > on hate and ignorance to promote their advocacy.
> > Your advocacy for Non Chineses ethnic groups are
> > strengthen by avoiding racist terms and concentrating
> > the issues and problems that you want to address.
> > For example, if you want an independent theocracy
> > to return to Tibet - tell people why an independent
> > theocracy is required and what is your beef with
> > current automonous theocracy that the PRC CCP
> > has put in place.
> >
>
> Racist is an American socio-political jargon that does
> not apply dealing with the problematic chinese imperialism.
Oh yes it does.
Over and beyond being an idiot - you're a racist, too.
> We non-chinese asian having problem with chinese is
> not about race. It is your imperialistic mindset
> Chinese individual that we non-chinese Asian have to
> fight in order to maintain our right and soverignity.
> A tibet has right to rule by their government, and their way.
What way?
> You chink race has no right to tell Tibet what is
> right theocracy or not. Let the Tibetian handles their
> own problem if they have.
Before the PLA came over the Tibetan Theocracy controlled
Tibet. AFAIK the average Tibetan/Serf had no say in the
Tibetan government. ISTM the transition from one totalitarian
government to another was rather seamless.
> NO chink race has any right. It is only your Chink imperialist
> only way and no reason is necessariy to rule Tibet.
The poor and weak are often unable to protect their rights
and lose them in time.
Even in the USA which guarantees civil rights, those who
are poor and weak often have their rights trampled upon.
> > > > > So what Chink history prove to me?
> > > > > Answer: The more you try the more you fail- a meaning of the history.
> > > >
> > > > Nilistic.. well itsm ...
> > > > Success of a people or a civilization is measured by survival itself.
> > > > So the fact that you've still complaining about chinese civilization
> > > > means that its are successful enough to irritate you.
> > >
> > > History survive.
> >
> > History is survives by those who remember and
> > those who write them. If you allow others to
> > write your history - you are at the mercy of
> > those who paint your portrait. If all you can
> > do is say racial slur terms than you've given
> > others ample evidence to paint you as a racist.
> > If you are in articulate and unable to support
> > your advocacy then how can you hope to get
> > the support of future readers/viewers of your
> > work?
>
> Gimme a break! CCP has violated all the contract
> of blessing given by Lama for the peaceful existence
> of the CCP goverment. YOu telling me Chinese government
> abided the Tibetian blessing and you telling me I have
> to be nice to these Chink bastard imperialist???
IIRC the CCP doesn't recognized the Lama you are
refering as having any official or authority.
IIRC the CCP has selects another *official* Dai Lama
for Tibet ( not that I had anything to do with it -
the PRC CCP doesn't abide by me either ). I suppose
being nasty to the next chinese you see gives
some form of emotional gratification - regardless
of whether that person was involved with the
takeover of Tibet. Its only human nature for a
husband angry at his boss to abuse his wife -
isn't it? Or punch the next guy he sees in the
bar. However, if you act like a nasty goose
stepping Nazi racist people are going to call
you a nasty goose stepping Nazi racist.
> Why don't you tell your Mandate of Heaven authority
> why broke the Tibetian blessing?
Personally I think the Mandate of Heaven is kaput.
Albeit - you might want to contact Lester Chow on that
one.
> Your chinese authority is worth than a racist!
But committing a wrong doesn't correct a wrong.
By seeking revenge you have allowed hateful and
destructive emotions to engulf you. The chief
person you hurt is yourself since you have to
live with yourself and those emotions 24/7.
I really do feel sorry for you.
Red Cloud
> mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message
> > > > >
> >
> > Your trolling is good. Prove that Mao trolled killing is good to
> > chinese. Hey Chink race has over 1.6 billions. Killing 32
> > millions is nothing.
>
> It's not that killing people is good but that a people
> and a c1ivilization refuses to die off despite your adamant
> racist wish for genocide.
>
Your pointless language should point at Mao for killing 32 millions
of his own people. Mao is the worst genocidal murderer.
Nobody is better killer than Mao.
>
> >
> > CCP has used the 2,500 years old Confucianism to maintian
> > their bureaucratic power. This is the most oppresive form
> > of government ever existed in the world if can understand
> > how chinese nation has formed.
>
>
> The CCP is organized and based on more recent european doctrine
> of Marxism and Leninism - which is just as bureaucratic and can
> be just as oppressive as any dictatorship. I'm not sure whether
> Marxism/Socialism is more oppressive as Confucian wrt to human
> rights - however, neither doctrine have a great history in
> the progress of the human or civil rights
>
Well I can agree that Chinese Confucian, Marxism and Leninism are
all
oppressive and bureaucratic.
>
> > No empire from nazi to Chinese imperialism can't exist
> > without some kind of brutal and oppressive form of establithment
> > that totally disregarded the people right. Those empire from
> > UK to Russia all gone because they were not that oppressive
> > nd brutal compare to the chinese.
>
> Degrees of oppression? LOL. The british empire for the
> most of its history supported slavery. It supported
> Racial discrimination until the very end. Racial discrimination
> against non white-descent was common (especially in the
> military). Both empire killed ethnic and native groups
> and oppressively tax the ones that remained. China's
> control over Tibet is no different from the British
> controlling Nepal, India, Saudia Arabia or Hong Kong.
> The Soviet Empire crushing of the Czech revolt was even
> more brutal than China's Tiannanmen Square. It's because
> the Soviets and the British Empire were so brutal and
> oppressive that created as sense of regional
> nationalism and it destablized their empires. Being too
> oppressive tends to generate sympathy for nationalistic
> and regional opposition. The empire stay together because
> only measured and limited force is applied when necessary
> and the central government provides incentatives to to
> the regions to cooperate and to mainatain allegience
> to the empire.
>
British oppression is gone. Soviet oppression is gone.
Is Chinese oppression gone? NO. Why chinese oppression is
still here?
>
> > empire expanded over 2,500 years not becaues Chinese
> > bureaucrat were doing something right, but because
> > chinese empire is more brutal more oppressive than
> > any empire in the world. All the empire except chiense must be
> > destoryed due to the pregressive social movement. Chinese never made
> > any progressed over
> > 2,500 years on Confucianism.
>
> IMHO
> * One reason that the chinese civilization has survived is that
> it is so big - size does matter. Numbers do matter.
> * Another reason that the chinese civilization has survived
> is that it has continually stress the more pragmatic
> goals of mutual economic cooperation.
>
Hahahha.....that's very interesting. Remind me of 50's Chink commie
propaganda ! Tell me that 1,000 times how chink made the pragmatic
goal of mutual economic coopeation for 2,500 years old, I will laugh
at 1001 time.
Just add one more laugh just for your chink liar.
> One reason that the Chinese Dynastic system was abandon for
> a western political structure (republic/socialist state)
> was because the Confucian Dynastic system under the Qing
> Manchus failed to support economic and military needs of
> the region.
>
Did not Qing Manchu and Won Mongol basically capitalized the
Confucian
system of bureaucratic oppression to oppress bona-fide Chinese
Confucianists? Isn't that ironic?
> > And You as a single Chink race still belive in Chink imperialism over
> > Tibetian occupation prove that you are just another Chink liar and
> > propagandist! Chink imperialist destoryed Tibetian slavery???
> > Gimme a break! You tried to brainwash me with a same old "Dirty Chink
> > done dirty trick" stuff?
>
> The CCP did abolish Tibetian Theocratic slavery/serf system.
> However, the PRC CCP is also trying to bring Tibetans into
> the modern world by upgrading their education and by altering
> the economics of the region. In the process, more han
> chineses are moving into Tibet and many Tibetans fear
> of becoming an ethnic or economically dis enfranchised
> minority in their own native lands. However, unlike position
> of the natives in the Isreali occupations of the West Gaza Strip
> area and the Apartheid period of South African - the Tibetan
> don't appear to be discriminated against based on their
> ethnicity. Some reports indicate that the PRC CCP does
> restrict religious and political activities there and
> that movement in certain areas are restricted. Reports of
> Tibetan fears of Han Chinese seem to be mainly based on
> the loss of affluence/dominance. However, I haven't read
> any reports indicating that ethnic Tibetans who live in China
> proper (e.g. Sichuan) outside of the Tibet Automonous
> Region have not voice any fears of Han Chinese.
>
You sound like you just came out from the Mao-commie propaganda
boot camp.
Nice try. Only silly idiot like you believe chinese crap! only silly
idiot
believe that Tibetina under Chink authority is making a great
progress.
But seriously speaking I believe that it is obviously a another ugly
Chinese propaganda that you just love to embrace because you just
wanna
be part of this hugh Mandate of Heaven empire. You are telling me:
"I'm a
chinese. I support Chink Mandate of Heaven aggression on any nation on
earth
because we are Chink....
We ain't no shit of having 1.3 billion ugly people on earth BECAUSE
WE ARE CHINKS....
We chink don't worry about calling us chink, chinaman, chingchong
BECAUSE WE ARE CHINKS....
We are the most oppressed race on Earth BECAUSE WE ARE CHINKS....
We are the longest Continuous civilzation on earth BECAUSE WE ARE
CHINKS....
We honor our Central governrment or Emperor BECAUSE WE ARE CHINKS....
We don't really believe in any religion BECAUSE WE ARE CHINKS....
We are the ultimate History of the all Asian race BECAUSE WE ARE
CHINKS....
We are the manifest destiny for all Asian race BECAUSE WE ARE
CHINKS....
We chink are not shame of anything what we have doneBECAUSE WE ARE
CHINKS....
We never going to be destory BECAUSE WE ARE CHINKS....
We chink legacy lives on BECAUSE WE ARE CHINKS...."
Don't tell me about that PRC-USSR war!
> > Think if Soviet is a tiny nation, your chink bros would attack
> > all the Soviet territory like Tibet and Turkistan you chink.
>
> The USSR at the time of the Sino Soviet War was a larger than
> the PRC. IIRC it was fought around Manchuria/Upper Mongolia
> area. The USSR was not concern with Turkistan or Tibet.
> However, India was concern with China's interest along
> Tibetan - Nepal area and there was a Sino-Indian Border several
> decades ago. The Turkistan area is semi-automonous; IIRC
> they have problems wrt to islamic separatist movement.
> The CIA-backed Tibetan separatist/revolutionary/insurgents/
> freedom fighters have all given up the fight against china
> and have all escaped to Nepal, India, or the USA.
>
What do you talking about? Nepal insurgency group are backed by
Maoist
separatists which is backed by chineses which is backed by
Confucianism
imperialists!
> > Don't forget Chink Imperialist is a big nuclear weapon nation.
>
>
> Nuclear weapons might make another nuclear weapon
> nation think twice about zapping you but it can't
> win the peace on the ground, e.g. USA has even more
> nuclear weapons but our nuclear weapons are of no use in
> dealing with iraqi insurgents/terrorist/freedomfighters/
> revolutionaries. Similar nuclear weapons are of no
> use to China wrt to holding onto Tibet or
> Inner Mongolia. Nor will nuclear weapons win back
> Taiwan.
>
We can at least agree that Nuclear weapons must be abolish!
I'm suspecting that Chinese were helped out Israel and Paristian
Nuclear progream there.
And you still don't get it why China has been suffered so much.
This is not a technical problem or Confucian political science
problem.
It's size. China is too big. That's why so many people have had to
suffer
to support this mighty Mandate of Heaven bureaucrat. And you still
refuse to understand human suffering of hunger and starvation are
mostly based on the war of oppression in the process of making such
gigantic
empire like Chinese.
> > Are you so idiot unable to understand why there is so much
> > hunger and stravation and disease in chinese history?
>
> You're living in the past. Today's China doesn't have
> food Shortages and starvation. Diseases like SARS
> are contained - albeit the PRC CCP government
> needs to improve on its response time.
>
Bird Flu. SARS. They are from Chinese city. Don't you get it!
And there will be more fetal disease never seen before will coming
out
from this 1.6 Billion Chinese city.
>
> > > > Chineses do know that their nation is really bad
> > > > nation. Don't think this is about racist. I'm not
> > > > racist. YOu are using a bad english word
> > > > or brainwashed by American political jargon.
> > >
> > > Your use of the term "Chink" is racist. Racist rely
> > > on hate and ignorance to promote their advocacy.
> > > Your advocacy for Non Chineses ethnic groups are
> > > strengthen by avoiding racist terms and concentrating
> > > the issues and problems that you want to address.
> > > For example, if you want an independent theocracy
> > > to return to Tibet - tell people why an independent
> > > theocracy is required and what is your beef with
> > > current automonous theocracy that the PRC CCP
> > > has put in place.
> > >
> >
> > Racist is an American socio-political jargon that does
> > not apply dealing with the problematic chinese imperialism.
>
> Oh yes it does.
> Over and beyond being an idiot - you're a racist, too.
>
Racist is a racial term that dealing with a color of skin.
Do I ever attack chinese color of skin? Never.
YOu can not attack me using a simple AMerican political jargon and any
imagiable form.
Racism is Power + Prejudice. You can't be a racist until you have
the power to oppress on political and economomical ground!
> > We non-chinese asian having problem with chinese is
> > not about race. It is your imperialistic mindset
> > Chinese individual that we non-chinese Asian have to
> > fight in order to maintain our right and soverignity.
> > A tibet has right to rule by their government, and their way.
>
> What way?
YOu do not understand Tibetian way, then you must move out of Tibet.
YOu have no right to tell Tibetian wihch way to live!
>
> > You chink race has no right to tell Tibet what is
> > right theocracy or not. Let the Tibetian handles their
> > own problem if they have.
>
> Before the PLA came over the Tibetan Theocracy controlled
> Tibet. AFAIK the average Tibetan/Serf had no say in the
> Tibetan government. ISTM the transition from one totalitarian
> government to another was rather seamless.
>
>
What a lousy conversation this is! You are kept forgetting the most
brutal government in the world still in the year 2004 executing the
mass amount of the people. Chink bureaucrat is the worst oppressive
government
in the world still carrying out public execution like they done in
1,000
years ago. Do you know that China carry out the capitalial punishment
worst than any nation on earth right now? And you as a single Chink
individual
refuse to look into your own yard, same evil in making....
> > NO chink race has any right. It is only your Chink imperialist
> > only way and no reason is necessariy to rule Tibet.
>
> The poor and weak are often unable to protect their rights
> and lose them in time.
> Even in the USA which guarantees civil rights, those who
> are poor and weak often have their rights trampled upon.
>
Forget the USA! Why don't you look at your government carrying out
mass
public executing?
PLA killing Tibetian citizen is not a hateful and destrucitive
thing??? If not, it must be the all-happy killing isn't it!
And you must be such an nice wonderful happy loving guy and I must
be the most hateful guy! Thanks you for at least telling we must
be nice to other which means that CHINA GETS OUT OF TIBET!
Drydem
> walte...@my-deja.com (Drydem) wrote in message news:<8a523498.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message
> > > > > > > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> > > > > >
>
> > >
That depends on you point of view....
1) the Soviet/Russians are actively suppressing an
independence movement/insurgency in Chechnya.
2) The British have worked with us (the USA) in the invasion
and occupation of Iraqi.
> Is Chinese oppression gone? NO. Why chinese oppression is
> still here?
One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist.
Another person's revolution is another person's anarchist.
Rather than label so-n-so a fat liar or an evil person.
Ask the question -what are you fighting for?
What are your goals and by what means do you want to achieve them?
> > One reason that the Chinese Dynastic system was abandon for
> > a western political structure (republic/socialist state)
> > was because the Confucian Dynastic system under the Qing
> > Manchus failed to support economic and military needs of
> > the region.
> >
>
> Did not Qing Manchu and Won Mongol basically capitalized the
> Confucian system of bureaucratic oppression to oppress
> bona-fide Chinese Confucianists? Isn't that ironic?
The early Qing rulers were fairly good administrator from what
I've heard but the last Qing rulers were weak and selectively
used the Confucian system only when it was convenient and
ignored the parts they didn't like. Confucianism is a philosophy
not a political system based on checks and balances of power
to contain corruption.
> You are telling me:
> "I'm a chinese. I support Chink Mandate of Heaven
> aggression on any nation on earth because we are Chink....
RFLOL.
Geez, you are really messed up in the head.
> > The CIA-backed Tibetan separatist/revolutionary/insurgents/
> > freedom fighters have all given up the fight against china
> > and have all escaped to Nepal, India, or the USA.
> >
>
> What do you talking about? Nepal insurgency group are
> backed by Maoist separatists which is backed by chineses
> which is backed by Confucianism imperialists!
While the Nepal insurgency are called Maoist Separatist
it is because of their brand of socialism that they
advocate over the current Nepalese monarchy government.
The PRC CCP has disavowed support for the Maoist Separatist
and reports that I've read indicate they are not
backed by Chineses. Nepalese unlike the Tibetan
government is embracing - albeit selectively - the
outside world.
> We can at least agree that Nuclear weapons must be abolish!
> I'm suspecting that Chinese were helped out Israel and Paristian
> Nuclear progream there.
Recently in the radio news I heard that some are
alleging that China is still actively transferring
nuclear weapons technology to other countries -
a charge that China in the past has categorically denied.
IMHO nuclear weapons is a waste of critical resourcs.
> It's size. China is too big. That's why so many people have had to
> suffer to support this mighty Mandate of Heaven bureaucrat. And you
> still refuse to understand human suffering of hunger and starvation are
> mostly based on the war of oppression in the process of making such
> gigantic empire like Chinese.
One of the goals of the PRC CCP programs in Tibet is
to improve the local economy and it reflects the
PRC/CCPs effort to implement economic globalization.
-
> Racist is a racial term that dealing with a color of skin.
Wrong.
You have defined Chinese as a separate
race from that of Tibetans. Your brand of racism
is not defined by just the color of the skin but
by prescribing one ethnic group as a race which
is inferior to another, e.g. Tibetan.
So that my friend makes you a racist.
> YOu do not understand Tibetian way, then you must move out of Tibet.
> YOu have no right to tell Tibetian wihch way to live!
I've never been in Tibet so I can't possibly move out of it.
I have just as much a right to post a comment on the usenet
as you do - and I think all my comments have been fair and
balance with regards to Tibet and China. No ethnicity gives
you the right or immunity from public scrutiny.
> What a lousy conversation this is! You are kept forgetting the most
> brutal government in the world still in the year 2004 executing the
> mass amount of the people. Chink bureaucrat is the worst oppressive
> government in the world still carrying out public execution like
> they done in 1,000 years ago.
Human rights reports indicts that PRC tops the chart
on the nation that carries out the most capital punishment
(death penality executions) cases. Because many in the
USA (especially Law-n-order advocates in Texas and Florida)
support the death penalty for criminals - capital punishment is a
much weaker advocacy position than one of religious freedom
atleast when arguing in the USA (or USA usenet group like
soc.culture.asian.american ). The city of Washington DC
does not have the Death penalty (albeit both Maryland and
Virginia do have the death penalty). There is a good chance
that John Muhammed the DC area serial sniper killer
is going to get the death penalty in Virgina.
> Forget the USA!
Oh goodness gracious No!
USA. USA. USA. USA.
Yeah I'm a patriot. :)
> Why don't you look at your government carrying out
> mass public executing?
I wouldn't call public executions in the USA massive
- I think there's a little over a hundred executions
per year over half of the executions are done in
Texas and Florida. IIRC California has the death
penalty too.
..
> PLA killing Tibetian citizen is not a hateful and destrucitive
> thing??? If not, it must be the all-happy killing isn't it!
FWIW - I haven't read any recent reports of Tibetans being
killed by the PLA. Most of the recent complaints I've read
allege of detention and complain of torture. Not that
detention and torture are good things either but - just
to say reports do come to me from time to time about
Tibet refugees who complain about Chinese.
> And you must be such an nice wonderful happy loving guy and I must
> be the most hateful guy! Thanks you for at least telling we must
> be nice to other which means that CHINA GETS OUT OF TIBET!
Never really figured out what makes Tibet
so important to China - Tibet sounds like the USA's
legendary Wild West.
Good Samaritan
> * One reason that the chinese civilization has survived is that
> it is so big - size does matter. Numbers do matter.
> * Another reason that the chinese civilization has survived
> is that it has continually stress the more pragmatic
> goals of mutual economic cooperation.
Chinese civlization is an insult to humanity. It should
cease to exist.
God has been sparing Chinese civlization up to these
very last days, in order that Koguryo could destroy it.
Red Cloud
> mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message news:<1c9e1197.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > walte...@my-deja.com (Drydem) wrote in message news:<8a523498.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message
> > > > > > > > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> > > > > > >
>
> > > >
> > British oppression is gone. Soviet oppression is gone.
>
> That depends on you point of view....
> 1) the Soviet/Russians are actively suppressing an
> independence movement/insurgency in Chechnya.
> 2) The British have worked with us (the USA) in the invasion
> and occupation of Iraqi.
>
Do you think Iraq will be part of USA or UK?
Iraq is not a Tibet to be completely absord by the foreigner
invaders.
> > Is Chinese oppression gone? NO. Why chinese oppression is
> > still here?
>
> One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist.
> Another person's revolution is another person's anarchist.
>
> Rather than label so-n-so a fat liar or an evil person.
> Ask the question -what are you fighting for?
> What are your goals and by what means do you want to achieve them?
>
Why thinks so hard? The answer is easy: Please get out of Tibet!
Don't talk about politic, politic, history!
Just move your Chink ass out of Tibet, that will solve the problem!
See how easy the solution is! You are thinking to hard!
> > > One reason that the Chinese Dynastic system was abandon for
> > > a western political structure (republic/socialist state)
> > > was because the Confucian Dynastic system under the Qing
> > > Manchus failed to support economic and military needs of
> > > the region.
> > >
> >
> > Did not Qing Manchu and Won Mongol basically capitalized the
> > Confucian system of bureaucratic oppression to oppress
> > bona-fide Chinese Confucianists? Isn't that ironic?
>
> The early Qing rulers were fairly good administrator from what
> I've heard but the last Qing rulers were weak and selectively
> used the Confucian system only when it was convenient and
> ignored the parts they didn't like. Confucianism is a philosophy
> not a political system based on checks and balances of power
> to contain corruption.
>
Mongol rulers knew that these Chink bona-fide confucian politicans
were
such a trick master that they had to treat as the lowest slave during
the Won Dynasty time.
> > You are telling me:
> > "I'm a chinese. I support Chink Mandate of Heaven
> > aggression on any nation on earth because we are Chink....
>
> RFLOL.
> Geez, you are really messed up in the head.
>
> > > The CIA-backed Tibetan separatist/revolutionary/insurgents/
> > > freedom fighters have all given up the fight against china
> > > and have all escaped to Nepal, India, or the USA.
> > >
> >
> > What do you talking about? Nepal insurgency group are
> > backed by Maoist separatists which is backed by chineses
> > which is backed by Confucianism imperialists!
>
> While the Nepal insurgency are called Maoist Separatist
> it is because of their brand of socialism that they
> advocate over the current Nepalese monarchy government.
> The PRC CCP has disavowed support for the Maoist Separatist
> and reports that I've read indicate they are not
> backed by Chineses. Nepalese unlike the Tibetan
> government is embracing - albeit selectively - the
> outside world.
>
Are you saying that Neplalie insurgency group has no relationship
whatsoeve with Chinese? How about Chinese weapon merchants smuggled
weapon into the hand of Afghan warload and Nepalie terrorists?
Do you know about chinese weapon has been sending to arm Afghan
warlord or even helped out the Tabliban government.
> > We can at least agree that Nuclear weapons must be abolish!
> > I'm suspecting that Chinese were helped out Israel and Paristian
> > Nuclear progream there.
>
> Recently in the radio news I heard that some are
> alleging that China is still actively transferring
> nuclear weapons technology to other countries -
> a charge that China in the past has categorically denied.
>
It's quite possible that Pakistan nuclear program came from chinese
source since Pakistan is an enemy of India.
> IMHO nuclear weapons is a waste of critical resourcs.
> > It's size. China is too big. That's why so many people have had to
> > suffer to support this mighty Mandate of Heaven bureaucrat. And you
> > still refuse to understand human suffering of hunger and starvation are
> > mostly based on the war of oppression in the process of making such
> > gigantic empire like Chinese.
>
> One of the goals of the PRC CCP programs in Tibet is
> to improve the local economy and it reflects the
> PRC/CCPs effort to implement economic globalization.
That's lying that Chink imperialist just love to fabricate the truth.
#1 reason why Chink invaded Tibet is found here: read the below
paragraphy.
I really don't consider chinks are proud of their culture and
history. When an average Mr. Chink talks great deal of their
culture and history, they automatically perceive non-chinese asian
guy like me would automatically validate their claiming. I realize
that Chink only feel this way when they talk to non-chinese
asian. As a matter of fact, chink are powerful nation comparing
to over 60+ Asiatic nations. No Asian nation come close to chink
legacy. Only European and West has been able to match this
grand-dragon chink legacy. However, I'm not here to suggeat the
advent
of the Western civilization proves disvalidating of the Chink
claiming.
In fact, Western civiliazation only speaks of their own culture.
Chink civilzation only speaks their own. So I give all the rights
for
chinks to do their plan to see if they can survive on their
grand-dragon
plan. Realistically speaking, chinks are failed. The historians
are beginning to see this. Overpopulation is the most damaging result
for chink. There is no way to run. Ther is no way to hide. There is
no
way to deny. Chinks must face the consequence and price. Chink
authority is so desperates that they do whatever they can to stop
population explosion. In past 50 years under communist regime, over
50
millions chinks have been migrated to nomadic land. So many chinks
have exploded into Inner mongolia. Turkestan, and Tibet. There space
are hugh and mostly empty. The land for nomadic people. You no longer
find typical nomadic lifestyle Mongolian in inner mongolia because
90%
population are chinks. 53% of Turkestan population are Chinks. At
lately, Native people on Tibet can't handle too many chinks. Today,
Chinks are still coming with too many! They are pouring out to
nomadic
land.Why? Because chinks can't substain their own lifestyle!
> > Racist is a racial term that dealing with a color of skin.
>
> Wrong.
> You have defined Chinese as a separate
> race from that of Tibetans. Your brand of racism
> is not defined by just the color of the skin but
> by prescribing one ethnic group as a race which
> is inferior to another, e.g. Tibetan.
> So that my friend makes you a racist.
>
Funny you deleted this line: Racism = Power + prejudice.
YOu want to see the real racism according to your definition then
go to Tibet and see and find out how Tibetian are treated by the Chink
invaders. See how Chink are using their power (politic + economic) to
oppress Tibetians people based on the ethnic prejudice.
But Wait a minute...you are right, I'm wrong! Racism is not based on
color of skin because tibetian case proves your definition is
correct!
> > YOu do not understand Tibetian way, then you must move out of Tibet.
> > YOu have no right to tell Tibetian wihch way to live!
>
> I've never been in Tibet so I can't possibly move out of it.
> I have just as much a right to post a comment on the usenet
> as you do - and I think all my comments have been fair and
> balance with regards to Tibet and China. No ethnicity gives
> you the right or immunity from public scrutiny.
Hey I'm not going to judge how you perceived the way you made the
comment. That's your judgement and your thinking, not mine.
YOu have your right as I have mine.
The bottom line: Move out of Tibet!
> > What a lousy conversation this is! You are kept forgetting the most
> > brutal government in the world still in the year 2004 executing the
> > mass amount of the people. Chink bureaucrat is the worst oppressive
> > government in the world still carrying out public execution like
> > they done in 1,000 years ago.
>
> Human rights reports indicts that PRC tops the chart
> on the nation that carries out the most capital punishment
> (death penality executions) cases. Because many in the
> USA (especially Law-n-order advocates in Texas and Florida)
> support the death penalty for criminals - capital punishment is a
> much weaker advocacy position than one of religious freedom
> atleast when arguing in the USA (or USA usenet group like
> soc.culture.asian.american ). The city of Washington DC
> does not have the Death penalty (albeit both Maryland and
> Virginia do have the death penalty). There is a good chance
> that John Muhammed the DC area serial sniper killer
> is going to get the death penalty in Virgina.
>
It does not take Human right group to say PRC is #1 list on human
right
report. Just about everyone in the world mostly Westner knows that
China
is the worst nation the way people were treated there.
> > Forget the USA!
>
> Oh goodness gracious No!
> USA. USA. USA. USA.
> Yeah I'm a patriot. :)
>
>
> > Why don't you look at your government carrying out
> > mass public executing?
>
> I wouldn't call public executions in the USA massive
> - I think there's a little over a hundred executions
> per year over half of the executions are done in
> Texas and Florida. IIRC California has the death
> penalty too.
>
Well I can't disagree on Bush record on his state that but still the
China is the #1 on the list. Probably over 2,500 world history,
China has been on the stop as the most brutal nation on earth! Gimme
any nation on earth killing and
abusing, oppressing more than China has been over 2,500 years long.
> ..
> > PLA killing Tibetian citizen is not a hateful and destrucitive
> > thing??? If not, it must be the all-happy killing isn't it!
>
> FWIW - I haven't read any recent reports of Tibetans being
> killed by the PLA. Most of the recent complaints I've read
> allege of detention and complain of torture. Not that
> detention and torture are good things either but - just
> to say reports do come to me from time to time about
> Tibet refugees who complain about Chinese.
>
BEcause you've been read mostly from Chinese source. Most Chinks in
the world
in PRC, in TAiwan, in Europe and in America do not disagree on their
Mandate of Heaven bureaucrat's policy on Tibet. There are at least
600,000
tibetians were killed volunterry or involunterry by Chink's racist
policy
(I'm using your definition of racism!).
> > And you must be such an nice wonderful happy loving guy and I must
> > be the most hateful guy! Thanks you for at least telling we must
> > be nice to other which means that CHINA GETS OUT OF TIBET!
>
> Never really figured out what makes Tibet
> so important to China - Tibet sounds like the USA's
> legendary Wild West.
Then go read "Chink are pouring out to nomadic land!"
Red Cloud
> Chinese are also the Huns mixed with the natives. Don't call them Chinks,
> Red Cloud.
>
> It only shows your general ignorance of the history.
>
> A large part of the eastern China was Dongyi, which is basically the ancient
> Korea, where also Confusius was from.
>
> I feel your post offensive and childish.
>
>
According to your definition of chinese, who is the chinese anyway?
I bet that you idiotic korean has no idea that the central meaning of "China"
conveys the manifestation of the central power politically socially
and economically. Therefore, it has no mean whatsoever with "ethnicity."
No wonder china does not care about ethnicity. What you saying some chineses
are korea or Dongyi does not matter to Chinese because see chineses
only care about the concentration of their Mandate of Heaven's political
power structre.
Red Cloud
> what kind of retard wae pirate would say this kind of shit. if u r so
> high above, stop using the Chinese characters pls.
>
I DON'T USE CHINK CHARACTER YOU FUCKING CHINK!
Good Samaritan
from the Kingdom of Eun. (I don't know how to pronounce it in Chinese.)
This kingdom is not chinese kingdom. Archaeological findings and
historical manuscripts all attest to the fact that these people are far
more closely related to Koreans and Japanese than chinese - and directly
related to Koguryo people, which many perverted chinese scholars today
say are "minorities."
"Red Cloud" <mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> Blooming Flowers under Full Moon <bloomi...@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
Father of Republic of China
If u have the dignity, stop using the Chinese script. Stick back to your
ugly jap script. As least the Koreans has the dignity to use their own
script.
what kind of fucked up civilisation japan is when it itself has to rely on
Chinese script.
Father of Republic of China
the Chinese character script was standardised during the Qin Dynasty.
this dynasty united the world of China.
Father of Republic of China
must be in Chinese script. No japs like to use the ugly local jap script
also. Pathetic!
Musashi
before China.
Japan is among others helping China to achieve that status now.
So don't be a stupid arrogant Chink.
"Father of Republic of China" <R...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.19....@hotmail.com...
Musashi
What the hell is wrong with your chink brain?
"Father of Republic of China" <R...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.19....@hotmail.com...
Good Samaritan
I recommend that you don't read it.
Those books, however, have some magical qualities to it.
Whoever reads them immediately turns into a monster,
and start babbling Chounghua.
"Father of Republic of China" <R...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.19....@hotmail.com...
Flying Tigers
Drydem
> walte...@my-deja.com (Drydem) wrote in message news:<8a523498.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message news:<1c9e1197.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > > walte...@my-deja.com (Drydem) wrote in message news:<8a523498.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > mmdi...@yahoo.co.uk (Red Cloud) wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > Chink has a record of the longest continuous civilization.
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > British oppression is gone. Soviet oppression is gone.
> >
> > That depends on you point of view....
> > 1) the Soviet/Russians are actively suppressing an
> > independence movement/insurgency in Chechnya.
> > 2) The British have worked with us (the USA) in the invasion
> > and occupation of Iraqi.
> >
>
> Do you think Iraq will be part of USA or UK?
> Iraq is not a Tibet to be completely absord by
> the foreigner invaders.
Your analogy is weak.
* First, the China doesn't consider themselves foriegners
to Tibet but the UK/USA do consider themselves foriegner
to Iraqi.
* Second, Your point doesn't invalidate the
fact that some consider the British and the Russians
still actively oppressiving other peoples. Which is all
I wanted to point out.
>
> > > Is Chinese oppression gone? NO. Why chinese oppression is
> > > still here?
> >
> > One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist.
> > Another person's revolution is another person's anarchist.
> >
> > Rather than label so-n-so a fat liar or an evil person.
> > Ask the question -what are you fighting for?
> > What are your goals and by what means do you want to achieve them?
> >
>
> Why thinks so hard? The answer is easy: Please get out of Tibet!
> Don't talk about politic, politic, history!
If the PRC/PLA leaves then there will be a power vacuum
in Tibetan Region which would eventually lead to another
entity attempting to control Tibet.
> Just move your Chink ass out of Tibet, that will solve the problem!
> See how easy the solution is! You are thinking to hard!
ISTM China interest in Tibet is one of national security
- and that a military occupation of Tibet was China's easiest
solution. ISTM another solution would require more thought.
> > > > One reason that the Chinese Dynastic system was abandon for
> > > > a western political structure (republic/socialist state)
> > > > was because the Confucian Dynastic system under the Qing
> > > > Manchus failed to support economic and military needs of
> > > > the region.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Did not Qing Manchu and Won Mongol basically capitalized the
> > > Confucian system of bureaucratic oppression to oppress
> > > bona-fide Chinese Confucianists? Isn't that ironic?
> >
> > The early Qing rulers were fairly good administrator from what
> > I've heard but the last Qing rulers were weak and selectively
> > used the Confucian system only when it was convenient and
> > ignored the parts they didn't like. Confucianism is a philosophy
> > not a political system based on checks and balances of power
> > to contain corruption.
>
> Mongol rulers knew that these Chink bona-fide confucian politicans
> were such a trick master that they had to treat as the lowest
> slave during the Won Dynasty time.
False.
IIRC Yuan Dynasty(Mongols)reportedly not only intermarried
with Han Chinese but they appointed many Chinese to high
political office. In addition, Mongols rulers quickly
adapted chinese/confucian method when the took over the
chinese empire.
>
>
> > > You are telling me:
> > > "I'm a chinese. I support Chink Mandate of Heaven
> > > aggression on any nation on earth because we are Chink....
> >
> > RFLOL.
> > Geez, you are really messed up in the head.
> >
> > > > The CIA-backed Tibetan separatist/revolutionary/insurgents/
> > > > freedom fighters have all given up the fight against china
> > > > and have all escaped to Nepal, India, or the USA.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What do you talking about? Nepal insurgency group are
> > > backed by Maoist separatists which is backed by chineses
> > > which is backed by Confucianism imperialists!
> >
> > While the Nepal insurgency are called Maoist Separatist
> > it is because of their brand of socialism that they
> > advocate over the current Nepalese monarchy government.
> > The PRC CCP has disavowed support for the Maoist Separatist
> > and reports that I've read indicate they are not
> > backed by Chineses. Nepalese unlike the Tibetan
> > government is embracing - albeit selectively - the
> > outside world.
> >
> Are you saying that Neplalie insurgency group has no relationship
> whatsoeve with Chinese? How about Chinese weapon merchants smuggled
> weapon into the hand of Afghan warload and Nepalie terrorists?
> Do you know about chinese weapon has been sending to arm Afghan
> warlord or even helped out the Tabliban government.
First of all, the CIA backed Tibetan insurgency against
the PRC until USA-PRC relations were normalized. There
was a PBS special on that military campaign ( this is
part of record coldwar history between the USA/PRC)[1].
IIRC the negotiations for USA-PRC relations normalization
included ending USA support for Tibetan insurgency.
So if you are looking for support for a Tibetan
insurgency against the PRC from the USA government
you can forget it.
Second, the PRC official has officially denied any
support for the Nepal Maoist Insurgency so unless you
have evidence of this connection (which by the way
would make a great book or 60 Minutes/Frontline
Investigation) - you should not be surprise that
many would be skeptical of your allegations.
Reports that I've read indicates that Taliban weaponry
came from multiple sources including but not
limited to the USA, the Soviets, China, Pakistan,
and undisclosed middle east countries. Reports on
the Nepalese Maoist Insurgency are very rare in
the USA - I have no information on how they are
procuring their weaponry.
[1]
Shadow Circus: The CIA in Tibet
http://www.naatanet.org/shadowcircus/rev7.html
the CIA's Secret War in Tibet
James Morrison and Kennith Conboy
http://bookstore.mykgbcenter.com/n_0700611592.htm
>
> > > We can at least agree that Nuclear weapons must be abolish!
> > > I'm suspecting that Chinese were helped out Israel and Paristian
> > > Nuclear progream there.
> >
> > Recently in the radio news I heard that some are
> > alleging that China is still actively transferring
> > nuclear weapons technology to other countries -
> > a charge that China in the past has categorically denied.
> >
>
> It's quite possible that Pakistan nuclear program came from chinese
> source since Pakistan is an enemy of India.
Sofar I haven't found enough evidence to
elevate this allegation above anything than a
possible or reasonable doubt.
>
>
>
> > IMHO nuclear weapons is a waste of critical resourcs.
> > > It's size. China is too big. That's why so many people have had to
> > > suffer to support this mighty Mandate of Heaven bureaucrat. And you
> > > still refuse to understand human suffering of hunger and starvation are
> > > mostly based on the war of oppression in the process of making such
> > > gigantic empire like Chinese.
> >
> > One of the goals of the PRC CCP programs in Tibet is
> > to improve the local economy and it reflects the
> > PRC/CCPs effort to implement economic globalization.
>
[snip racist rubbish]
> > > Racist is a racial term that dealing with a color of skin.
> >
> > Wrong.
> > You have defined Chinese as a separate
> > race from that of Tibetans. Your brand of racism
> > is not defined by just the color of the skin but
> > by prescribing one ethnic group as a race which
> > is inferior to another, e.g. Tibetan.
> > So that my friend makes you a racist.
> >
>
> Funny you deleted this line: Racism = Power + prejudice.
Well
Your definition/equation is wrong.
Racism does not need power to exist and does not need power to exist.
Racism = race + prejudice
Power can make makes the effects of
prejudice and racism more or less painful.
> YOu want to see the real racism according to your definition then
> go to Tibet and see and find out how Tibetian are treated by the Chink
> invaders. See how Chink are using their power (politic + economic) to
> oppress Tibetians people based on the ethnic prejudice.
One doesn't have to go to Tibet to see how the effects
of racism extended by using power.
...
> > > What a lousy conversation this is! You are kept forgetting the most
> > > brutal government in the world still in the year 2004 executing the
> > > mass amount of the people. Chink bureaucrat is the worst oppressive
> > > government in the world still carrying out public execution like
> > > they done in 1,000 years ago.
> >
> > Human rights reports indicts that PRC tops the chart
> > on the nation that carries out the most capital punishment
> > (death penality executions) cases. Because many in the
> > USA (especially Law-n-order advocates in Texas and Florida)
> > support the death penalty for criminals - capital punishment is a
> > much weaker advocacy position than one of religious freedom
> > atleast when arguing in the USA (or USA usenet group like
> > soc.culture.asian.american ). The city of Washington DC
> > does not have the Death penalty (albeit both Maryland and
> > Virginia do have the death penalty). There is a good chance
> > that John Muhammed the DC area serial sniper killer
> > is going to get the death penalty in Virgina.
> >
>
> It does not take Human right group to say PRC is #1 list on human
> right report...
No. I was taking notice that the PRC wrt to human
rights has alot of company wrt to practing the death
penalty and because of that your use of capital
punishment as an indicator of judicial excessive
oppression is all the much weaker. Your racist out
burst make you arguments for justice weak so using
a even weaker social norm/value makes your argument
even weaker-- I am suggesting you take a different tack.
> > ..
> > > PLA killing Tibetian citizen is not a hateful and destrucitive
> > > thing??? If not, it must be the all-happy killing isn't it!
> >
> > FWIW - I haven't read any recent reports of Tibetans being
> > killed by the PLA. Most of the recent complaints I've read
> > allege of detention and complain of torture. Not that
> > detention and torture are good things either but - just
> > to say reports do come to me from time to time about
> > Tibet refugees who complain about Chinese.
> >
>
> BEcause you've been read mostly from Chinese source.
False.
My sources wrt to Tibet are mainly Western.