On the other hand, Eithne Ni Bhraonain is the full name of the singer
Enya, suggesting that Eithne could be pronounced "Enya" (which is in fact
what the Enya FAQ says).
I am looking for a reasonably definitive answer, as my wife and I have
named our daughter Eithne. We call her "Enya", figuring that it must
either be a correct pronunciation or an acceptable variation (like calling
someone named Robert "Bob").
I would appreciate any responses to be sent to me directly at
<sly...@coral.concordia.ca>, as newsgroup messages tend to scroll off into
the void before I can get to them.
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Ketchum Canada, Inc.
Montreal, QC CANADA
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I sent your posting to an Irish friend, whose mother is named Eithne, and got
back this reply:
"'Ethna' is the correct pronunciation.
"Enya is the only person I've ever heard of who uses that form of
the name. Either it's a regional dialect form of Eithne (she's
from the Donegal Gaeltacht), or a nickname (perhaps from a
sibling who couldn't pronounce her name correctly?)."
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
http://members.aol.com/frajm/
"All over the room throats were being strained and minds broadened."
-- P. G. Wodehouse, Piccadilly Jim
>I would like to know how to pronounce the Irish name spelled "Eithne". My
>understanding is that it is correctly pronounced "Ethna" or alternatively
>"Etna".
>On the other hand, Eithne Ni Bhraonain is the full name of the singer
>Enya, suggesting that Eithne could be pronounced "Enya" (which is in fact
>what the Enya FAQ says).
>I am looking for a reasonably definitive answer, as my wife and I have
>named our daughter Eithne. We call her "Enya", figuring that it must
>either be a correct pronunciation or an acceptable variation (like calling
>someone named Robert "Bob").
Well, how you pronounce your daughter's name is up to you. A
definitive answer is impossible to give, because there are two
pronunciations.
Originally Eithne was a gaelic name; in any remotely modern form of
gaelic (in the last 12 centuries at least) it would have been
pronounced "Enya", but the "th" is the "modern" way of writing a "t"
with a dot over it which probably (not certainly) originally (when Old
Irish was first written - a couple of millenia ago?) represented the
soound written in (current) English as "th" (as in "think", not as in
"there"). So to be definitive about a gaelic pronunciation you would
have to pick a date.
Like other Irish gaelic names, Eithne is now used by English speakers
as well as by Gaelic speakers. Some time ago it was being used by
English speakers who had no knowledge at all of Irish, so of course
they gave the "th" an English pronunciation (because they didn't know
that in Irish Gaelic at the time that "th" was silent); they also
changed the pronunciation of the "n" for the same reason, so that it
ended up as what might be written in English as "Ethna".
So if you want an Irish Gaelic name, it's "Enya"; if you want an Irish
English name it's "Ethna"; and whichever way you pronounce, you'll
find thousands of Irish people who will tell you you are wrong.
M.
>"Enya is the only person I've ever heard of who uses that form of
>the name. Either it's a regional dialect form of Eithne (she's
>from the Donegal Gaeltacht), or a nickname (perhaps from a
>sibling who couldn't pronounce her name correctly?)."
That's entirely possible, because the Eithne that I know (also Irish)
pronounces it Eh-nyuh when at home. For North Americans, she tells
them to call her Ethna. "Enya" is the closest English approximation
to the Gaelic pronounciation of "Eithne" -- there is no "th" sound
(like "that" or "thing") in any of the Gaelics.
Is mise le meas
-==- Ennien (closest English approximation of Inion/Nighean =
daughter)
>"'Ethna' is the correct pronunciation.
>
>"Enya is the only person I've ever heard of who uses that form of
>the name. Either it's a regional dialect form of Eithne (she's
>from the Donegal Gaeltacht), or a nickname (perhaps from a
>sibling who couldn't pronounce her name correctly?)."
'Ethna' is the pronunciation in English, 'Enya' is the pronunciation
in Donegal Irish -& possibly other dialects.