Celts' dominant blood group?
Arwel Parry
In article <4tceta$j...@nuscc.nus.sg>, Peebles Gavin
<ec...@leonis.nus.sg> writes
>Is it true that the blood group O Rh negative is particularly common among
>Celts? I am sure I read this somewhere and cannot easily find confirmation
>now.
Dunno. I'm O Rh positive, myself.
Arwel
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Peebles Gavin
Is it true that the blood group O Rh negative is particularly common among
Celts? I am sure I read this somewhere and cannot easily find confirmation
now.
Sorry if its a FAQ here.
Gavin Peebles, formerly of Liverpool, Wales, Glasgow, Hong Kong,
Australia and now in Singapore.
Garry Lee
Certainly, O is the dominant Celtic blood group, whereas in Saxons it is
A.
Kathryn L. Merritt
On 28 Jul 1996, Garry Lee wrote:
> Certainly, O is the dominant Celtic blood group, whereas in Saxons it is
> A.
>
Are you sure of this? Although my parents have a little celtic blood
they are predominantly English and German with O + being dominant. Seems
like I have read something other than your information elsewhere also.
This is strange-- Who am I really now? Anyone got any solid sources for
this information?> >
Michael Carlin
Garry Lee wrote:
>
> Certainly, O is the dominant Celtic blood group, whereas in Saxons it is
> A.
My father's family, being composed of O'Carolans and Corcorans, and
hailing from County Mayo, have the very rare AB- blood group throughout
the family. Any idea how this fits into the gene pool?
Cecilia Borbajo
the type O blood is very common...almost 90% or so of the human
population have that blood type.
i myself has O blood type...i am not sure about being positive or
negative....but i am far from being a celt.
cecilia
David Bower
Interestingly, AB- is most commonly found among the oriental gene pools.
No matter. My ex-wife (a firey red-head whose appearance shouted of
celtic heritage) matched the anthropologists classic bone structure for
Native American. So far she has been unable to prove any Native American
blood in her line, but forensic scientists would certainly classify her
skeleton as such.
O is the most common blood group everywhere on the planet. A and B are
found in various concentrations in various small gene pools, and AB
occurs when you get an A from one parent and a B from the other.
Negative is somewhat less common than Positive (in part because Negative
is a recessive gene).
I think the truth is that blood types (and bone structure) have less to
do with celtic heritage than cultural ties do. All that I have read on
the Celts is that we were never racially homogenous, but rather were a
culture that encompassed a wide variety of European tribal stocks (and
perhaps some Non-European groups as well).
Willy Carroll
Private E-Mail to: oll...@juno.com
Kathryn L. Merritt
On 31 Jul 1996, David Bower wrote:
>
> Interestingly, AB- is most commonly found among the oriental gene pools.
> No matter. My ex-wife (a firey red-head whose appearance shouted of
> celtic heritage) matched the anthropologists classic bone structure for
> Native American. So far she has been unable to prove any Native American
> blood in her line, but forensic scientists would certainly classify her
> skeleton as such.
A lot of those techniques are really considered outmoded now. In fact,
now nobody can even define the word "race". This is
another reason I wouldn't take too seriously these "finds" of human bones
supposed to be millions of years old. These idiots don't know WHAT
they're reconstructing!
>
> O is the most common blood group everywhere on the planet.
Now this one I believe.
>A and B are found in various concentrations in various small gene pools, and AB
> occurs when you get an A from one parent and a B from the other.
My half-aunt is Irish and German. Her blood type is something crazy like
B-.
>> I think the truth is that blood types (and bone structure) have less to
> do with celtic heritage than cultural ties do.
This point makes a lot of sense. Language and culture certainly do
bind. I still think gene pool DOES count. I just can't tell how much.
I found a book on the Caucasian Race one time (sorry I can't remember the
name). But the author noted certain types of Caucasian that were
supposed to be characteristic of different countries. Wouldn't you know
it though, he had a picture of a Frenchman with facial characteristics
supposed to belong to an Irishman. And he had Englishmen with traces
of Mediterranean traits. This is quite common. However, he
did note the predicability of certain kinds of characteristics along sea
coasts as opposed to inland areas. And he made a good case for the
blending of different people groups within regions of countries supposed
to be homogeneous.
>All that I have read on
> the Celts is that we were never racially homogenous, but rather were a
> culture that encompassed a wide variety of European tribal stocks (and
> perhaps some Non-European groups as well).
So perhaps we all make a little sense when you look at it that way.
Kat
>
Craig Cockburn
Ann an sgriobhainn <4tceta$j...@nuscc.nus.sg>, sgriobh Peebles Gavin
<ec...@leonis.nus.sg>
>Is it true that the blood group O Rh negative is particularly common among
>Celts? I am sure I read this somewhere and cannot easily find confirmation
>now.
>
I'm O- if that's of any help. I got a card when I was in England from
the English blood transfusion service to say it was an unusual group but
haven't had the same from the Scottish blood transfusion service so
maybe it's less common in England.
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Helen Stanford
I wasn't aware that "almost 90%" of the human population was O! But I
know that O type blood is the universal donor blood, and AB- is the
universal recipient. But I have never heard of THAT many people
having type O blood!
But any ways.... re: Celts' dominant blood group, there are so many
TYPES of Celts, it would be hard to label them with a dominant blood
type, IMHO.
Brian O'Reilly
In article <Q5hnfzA+...@scot.demon.co.uk>,
I'm O- also but I think that 10% of people are (or maybe of males). Blood
transfusion services like O- people because almost anyone can accept
O- blood (or so I've heard). O- is universal donor, AB+ (I think) is
universal acceptor.
As for O- being rare among Celts.. I don't know. I do know that people
from the Aran Islands were discovered to have an unusual blood type not
found elsewhere in Europe. Presumably this typing is at a more sophisticated
level than A,B,O,+,- etc.
Craig Cockburn
Ann an sgriobhainn <4tceta$j...@nuscc.nus.sg>, sgriobh Peebles Gavin
<ec...@leonis.nus.sg>
>Is it true that the blood group O Rh negative is particularly common among
>Celts? I am sure I read this somewhere and cannot easily find confirmation
>now.
>
- Information from the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service
Rory McCann
>Ann an sgriobhainn <4tceta$j...@nuscc.nus.sg>, sgriobh Peebles Gavin
><ec...@leonis.nus.sg>
>>Is it true that the blood group O Rh negative is particularly common among
>>Celts? I am sure I read this somewhere and cannot easily find confirmation
>>now.
>>
>
>the English blood transfusion service to say it was an unusual group but
>haven't had the same from the Scottish blood transfusion service so
>maybe it's less common in England.
>
Rhesus +ve group is found in 85% of the population regardless of ABO
type. In the British Isles the distribution of blood groups can seen to
have an ethnic (celtic) geographical spread. Group O is seen more
commonly in Wales, NW England, Scotland and Ireland, while the SE of
England has preponderance of group A. This has been suggested as an
indication of the immigration of germanic peoples over a thousand years
ago. As populations today are able to travel more easily this ethnic
distribution will become more dilute.
It is intresting to note that in the Isle of Man group A is slightly
more common than group O, possibly due to the Norse settlement of Mann.
--
Rory McCann
MCCelt0001
Still, take a look at the work of Cavalli-Sforza, et al in the history and
geography of genes. Their work seems to indicate some genetic
similarities among the people of ireland, wales, and parts of scotland.
John Lovie
In article <4uegqb$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mccel...@aol.com says...
>
>Still, take a look at the work of Cavalli-Sforza, et al in the history and
>geography of genes. Their work seems to indicate some genetic
>similarities among the people of ireland, wales, and parts of scotland.
Aye, but depends on which parts of Scotland. The big round heids, I grant
you...
John Lovie
lov...@pc.jaring.my
M. Council
Helen,
Your humble opinion is on the money.
If you are looking for genetic identifiers in blood type, there are
much more precise mothods than the A-B-O typing system, which really
isn't the right tool for that job. Biological anthropologists use the
M-N system, and others, to answer more specific questions.
It would be today almost impossible to isolate a "Celtic gene" since
the diaspora is so widespread; and since there is more genetic variation
*within* a so-called "race" than *between* "races" it may be a wild
goose chase to begin with.
-maggie council di pietra, program assistant
graduate programs in applied anthropology
university of south florida
cou...@luna.cas.usf.edu
l. bruce
>
> Sorry for the deja vu experience, if any.
More a self-fulfilling prophecy than I anticipated. ;)
I apologise for the double post. My program refused steadfastly to send
one, so I wrote another, then it sent both. Go figure...
Lynda
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l. bruce
Helen..Maggie.. Anyone?
Trying one more time on this question about genetics/bloodlines; has
anyone heard of the schizophrenia frequency studies that indicate
Scotland has the highest rate of schizophrenia in the world and that a
statistically significant number of patients are born in November?
One possible explanation may be diagnostic criteria?
Sorry for the deja vu experience, if any.
Lynda
Charles Mcgregor
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"l. bruce" <lb...@csufresno.edu> writes:
> >
> > Sorry for the deja vu experience, if any.
> More a self-fulfilling prophecy than I anticipated. ;)
> I apologise for the double post. My program refused steadfastly to send
> one, so I wrote another, then it sent both. Go figure...
Such persistance is commendable.
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Cailin J. Callahan
Helen...@msn.com (Helen Stanford) wrote:
>I wasn't aware that "almost 90%" of the human population was O! But I
>know that O type blood is the universal donor blood, and AB- is the
>universal recipient. But I have never heard of THAT many people
>having type O blood!
>
>But any ways.... re: Celts' dominant blood group, there are so many
>TYPES of Celts, it would be hard to label them with a dominant blood
>type, IMHO.
Hallo, Helen--close, but no cigar.
The blood protiens are of three thypes, labeled arbitrarily as "A", "B", and
the "rhesus factor". If you have none of the protiens, you have neither "A"
nor "B" protiens, which makes you one of the many of the "O" blood
group--meaning you have neither of the potential MAIN blood protiens. If you
lack the "rhesus factor" protien, you are labeled as being "Rh-" (or Rh
negative). If you have all the protiens that it is possible to have in one's
blood, you are "AB+" (such as myself) meaning that you have the "A" protien,
the "B" protien, and the "Rhesus factor" protien.
The body's immune system responds to the PRESENCE of foreign protien chains,
and infusion of a blood which has more protiens than the recipient is
genetically "programmed" to recognize causes "immune reactions" that endanger
one's life. Consequently, people such as myself, who have ALL of the possible
blood protiens (A, B AND the presence of the "rhesus factor protien" = AB+
blood type) can receive, without risk of immunity reactions, anyone's blood.
Those who are of the blood type "O-" have none of these three possible blood
protiens and, consequently, they can donate to any other blood type (as well
as to their own) without risk of provoking an immune reaction in the
recipient. Ergo, "O-" is the universal donor and "AB+" is the universal
recipient.
Hope that clarifies things to some degree....
Yours,
~ Cailin*
Douglas MacGowan
I don't know about schizophrenia, but I have read that Scots in the Outer
Islands have a higher rate of epilepsy than would be expected in a
population that small -- and consequently have/had some rather bizarre
practices for curing themselves: drinking well water from the skull of a
person who had killed themselves...
- Douglas
l. bruce
An update on the research that found higher percentages of
schizophrenia one of the islands:
To ward off the possibility of a Scottish verbal hammer the size of
Wisconsin coming out of the virtual sky and smashing yet another "wrong
headed" American to dust, I decided I better make a quick trip to the
library.
There has been a considerable amount of research by Scots on
schizophrenia in Scotland, seasonality, diagnostic inconsistencies, etc.
I found no further mention of any islands being singled out for higher
numbers of cases.
In fact, given the found instances of inconsistencies of measurement
such as, "diagnostic drift," IMHO the jury is still out on the research
results.
I also discussed this issue with the professor who had brought up
Scotland's schizophrenia count in a lecture.
My apologies to any who were beginning to turn a questioning, assessing
eye toward their island neighbors.
Interestingly to me, in the articles I read (by no means extensive), I
found no mention of doctor-patient ethnicity difference as a possible
factor influencing diagnosis. Over here, research has indicated that
ethnicity differences can influence diagnosis, to the degree that certain
ethnic groups are more likely to receive certain diagnoses or receive
medications. I'll keep reading...
Lynda
PS Charlie, persistence seems to be a family trait. Of course, it has an
impact on family dynamics. Friendly little family disagreements go on
for years and years...and years.
ryan...@gold.tc.umn.edu
Douglas MacGowan <macg...@sirius.com> wrote:
>- Douglas
Weeellll, you know if it works for them, why not?
Janet
COOPER
Douglas MacGowan <macg...@sirius.com> writes:
>I don't know about schizophrenia, but I have read that Scots in the Outer
>Islands have a higher rate of epilepsy than would be expected in a
>population that small -- and consequently have/had some rather bizarre
>practices for curing themselves: drinking well water from the skull of a
>person who had killed themselves...
be kinda hard on 'em if everyone starts blowing their brains out - hopefully
they encourage hanging as a means...
-gary
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l. bruce
Douglas,
Where did you hear about this practice? Lynda
