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Emil Jivkov

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Oct 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/6/98
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Edna interesna genealogia, koiato ni predstavia slednoto rodoslovno
dyrvo:
Krum -> Omurtag -> Omurtakov vnuk (Presian) -> Boris Mihail -> Ivan
Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron Cometopulos(brat na Samuil) -> Ivan
Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) -> Troian Vladislav i ottuk natatyka kym
rodoslovieto na vizantiiskite imperatori, frenskite i angliiski krale i
kralici i t.n.
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/7551/dat130.htm#12


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kartinkata e iasna. Samuil e vnuk na Simeon(Shishman) Veliki.

Poneje po nezaviseshti ot makedonistite prichini Kanasubigi Krum,
Kanasubigi Omurtag, Kanasubigi Presian, Kanasubigi Boris Mihail, Car
Simeon Veliki, Cometopulos Ivan Nikola - sa vse BYLGARSKI vladeteli, to
ochevidno i tehnia potomyk Samuil e Bylgarin.


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p.s. Gornite fakti niama da namerite v syshtestvuvashtata v momenta
istoria na Bylgaria. Poznaite zashto.

MRK12

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Oct 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/6/98
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>Samuil e vnuk na car Simeon Veliki
>From: Emil Jivkov

>rum -> Omurtag -> Omurtakov vnuk (Presian) -> Boris Mihail -> Ivan
>Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron Cometopulos(brat na Samuil) -> Ivan
>Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) -> Troian Vladislav i ottuk natatyka kym
>rodoslovieto na vizantiiskite imperatori, frenskite i angliiski krale i

Zashto njama Simeon i Samuil v gornoto rodoslovie? Smjatam, che e vazhno i
tjahnite imena da sa predstaveni v tova rodoslovno dyrvo. Mozhe li da se
dopylni?
Blagodarja! Pozdrav,
MRK12

deja_...@hotmail.com

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Oct 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/7/98
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In article <361AE8...@mail.techno-link.com>,
Emil Jivkov <em...@mail.techno-link.com> wrote:

> p.s. Gornite fakti niama da namerite v syshtestvuvashtata v momenta istoria na Bylgaria. Poznaite zashto.

Zashto, naistina? Az ne mojah da poznaya??? :(((((((

Ne shtat da sa rodonachalnici na zagnivashtata Evropa? Ili?

J.

In article <361AE8...@mail.techno-link.com>,
Emil Jivkov <em...@mail.techno-link.com> wrote:

> Edna interesna genealogia:
> Krum -> Omurtag -> Omurtakov vnuk (Presian) -> Boris Mihail -> Ivan


> Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron Cometopulos(brat na Samuil) -> Ivan
> Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) -> Troian Vladislav i ottuk natatyka kym
> rodoslovieto na vizantiiskite imperatori, frenskite i angliiski krale i

> kralici i t.n.

> kartinkata e iasna. Samuil e vnuk na Simeon(Shishman) Veliki.

>...ochevidno i tehnia potomyk Samuil e Bylgarin.

> p.s. Gornite fakti niama da namerite v syshtestvuvashtata v momenta
> istoria na Bylgaria. Poznaite zashto.

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Emil Jivkov

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Oct 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/7/98
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MRK12 wrote:
>
> >Samuil e vnuk na car Simeon Veliki
> >From: Emil Jivkov
>
> >rum -> Omurtag -> Omurtakov vnuk (Presian) -> Boris Mihail -> Ivan
> >Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron Cometopulos(brat na Samuil) -> Ivan
> >Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) -> Troian Vladislav i ottuk natatyka kym
> >rodoslovieto na vizantiiskite imperatori, frenskite i angliiski krale i
>
> Zashto njama Simeon i Samuil v gornoto rodoslovie? Smjatam, che e vazhno i
> tjahnite imena da sa predstaveni v tova rodoslovno dyrvo. Mozhe li da se
> dopylni?
> Blagodarja! Pozdrav,
> MRK12

Hiliadi izvinenia !!!
Spomenatata genealogia sydyrja razbira se Simeon Veliki:

Krum -> Omurtag -> Omurtakov vnuk (Presian) -> Boris Mihail -> Simeon I


-> Ivan Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron Cometopulos(brat na Samuil)

-> Ivan Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) -> Troian Vladislav i t.n.

Greshkata e moia !!!
No na samata stranica iasno se vijda kak stoiat neshtata
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/7551/dat130.htm#12

Shto se otnasia do Car Samuil, to iavno avtorite na tova rodoslovno
dyrvo sa se interesuvali ot proizhoda na golemite evropeiski dinastii. V
sluchaia mnogo ot frenskite i angliiski krale i kralici imat vyv venite
si kryvta na Aaron , Samuilovia brat. Shto se otnasia do Samuil, iavno
tozi velik Bylgarski car ne e predstavliaval interes za avtorite na
genealogiata i lipsva v neia. Dostatychno e obache prisystvieto na Krum,
Omurtag, Boris Mihail, Simeon I, Cometopulos Nikola(bashta na Samuil),
Aaron (brat na Samuil), Ivan Vladislav (plemennik na Samuil) za da stane
iasno kakva e narodnostta na Car Samuil.

Ziezi
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Emil Jivkov

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Oct 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/7/98
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deja_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> In article <361AE8...@mail.techno-link.com>,
> Emil Jivkov <em...@mail.techno-link.com> wrote:
>
> > p.s. Gornite fakti niama da namerite v syshtestvuvashtata v momenta istoria na Bylgaria. Poznaite zashto.
>
> Zashto, naistina? Az ne mojah da poznaya??? :(((((((
>
> Ne shtat da sa rodonachalnici na zagnivashtata Evropa? Ili?
>
> J.

Rabotata e tam, che otkak Kominterna se zae da syzdava makaedonska nacia
se poiavi neobhodimost ot fabrikuvane na makedonska istoria. Za
vseobshta veselba obache, dneshnata makedonska istoria se systoi ot
dvama care (Aleksandyr Veliki i Samuil) , ot koito pyrviat e napolovina
Bylgarin (Spored vyzrojdenskata bylgarska istoriografia Aleksandyr e
zavladiaval sveta zaedno s Bylgarite, a spored istoriata na Voljskite
Bylgari - Aleksandyr e tehen car), a vtoriat e chist Bylgarin(potomyk na
Krum, Omurtag, Presian, Boris Mihail, Simeon Veliki i Nikola)
No tvyrdenieto, che Samuil e vnuk na Simeon Veliki "visi" vse oshte sred
nauchnite sredi. Zashto li ? Ami tova e nasledstvo ot "onia" godini.
Hei J. sega da ne kajesh , che ne se seshtash za koi godini stava duma.

A che evropeiskite dinastii imat v venite si Bylgarska kryv , e otdavna
izvestno. Vsichki kralski familii do edna sa se staraeli i se staraiat
da dokajat genealogicheska vryzka s SVESHTENNIA BYLGARSKI ROD DULO !

Ziezi
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Daniel G. Katev

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Oct 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/11/98
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MRK12 wrote:

> >Samuil e vnuk na car Simeon Veliki
> >From: Emil Jivkov
>
> >rum -> Omurtag -> Omurtakov vnuk (Presian) -> Boris Mihail -> Ivan
> >Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron Cometopulos(brat na Samuil) -> Ivan
> >Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) -> Troian Vladislav i ottuk natatyka kym
> >rodoslovieto na vizantiiskite imperatori, frenskite i angliiski krale i
>
> Zashto njama Simeon i Samuil v gornoto rodoslovie? Smjatam, che e vazhno i
> tjahnite imena da sa predstaveni v tova rodoslovno dyrvo. Mozhe li da se
> dopylni?
> Blagodarja! Pozdrav,
> MRK12

W interest na istinata lipswa oshte Malamir i naj-weche wrazkata Boris - Ivan
Nikola.
Dokolkoto sam zapoznat tia ne e krawna, a chrez in law (swatbi i t,n,)

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Emil Jivkov

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Daniel G. Katev wrote:
>
> MRK12 wrote:
>
> > >Samuil e vnuk na car Simeon Veliki
> > >From: Emil Jivkov
> >
> > >rum -> Omurtag -> Omurtakov vnuk (Presian) -> Boris Mihail -> Ivan
> > >Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron Cometopulos(brat na Samuil) -> Ivan
> > >Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) -> Troian Vladislav i ottuk natatyka kym
> > >rodoslovieto na vizantiiskite imperatori, frenskite i angliiski krale i
> >
> > Zashto njama Simeon i Samuil v gornoto rodoslovie? Smjatam, che e vazhno i
> > tjahnite imena da sa predstaveni v tova rodoslovno dyrvo. Mozhe li da se
> > dopylni?
> > Blagodarja! Pozdrav,
> > MRK12
>
> W interest na istinata lipswa oshte Malamir i naj-weche wrazkata Boris - Ivan
> Nikola.
> Dokolkoto sam zapoznat tia ne e krawna, a chrez in law (swatbi i t,n,)

V genealogiata, koiato citiram -
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/7551/idxo.htm
imeto na Kaknasubigi Presian e zameneno s "Omurtag`s".
Kaknasubigi Malamir ne e bashta na Presian, a negov chicho. Presian e
sin na Zvinica - vtoria sin na Omurtag. Zatova nastoiashtata genealogia
ne se interesuva priako ot Malamir i Presian, a pokazva direktno
rodstvenostta na Boris Mihail s Omurtag (negov diado).

Propuskyt na Simeon Veliki e moia tehnicheska greshka.

Krum -> Omurtag -> Omurtak`s (Zvinica -> Presian) -> Boris Mihail ->
Simeon Veliki -> Ivan Nikola (bashta na Samuil) -> Aaron


Cometopulos(brat na Samuil) -> Ivan Vladislav (plemenik na Samuil) ->
Troian Vladislav i ottuk natatyka kym rodoslovieto na vizantiiskite

imperatori, frenskite i angliiski krale i kralici.

Ziezi
http://members.tripod.com/~ziezi/index.html

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