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Todd's death...is it murder or is it suicide ? NOW.....US medical examininer changd his story dramatically !
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baldeagle
May 21, 2013, 5:23:26 PM5/21/13
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Dr Adelstein, US Deputy-in-Chief Medical Examiner testified on
Tuesday via video-link on day seven of the hearings.
On Monday, he was reluctant to testify, claiming technical problem
with the video link !! US has problem with video link ???? I have
been using Skype for year.,.to communicate with relatives in the
USA...there were NO PROBLEM. Now, we know the reason why he was
reluctant to testify on Monday.
His original findings, that Todd was strangled..giving the idea to the
Todd's family.was WRONG and mischievous. ..designed to misled the
Todd's family into believing their son was murdered.
Dr Adelstein retracted his original opinion that Dr Todd had been
garrotted (strangled). He now agreed with four other forensic
pathologists that Dr Todd was NOT strangled.
In ther face of four of the foremost forensic pathologists in the
world, he was found to be lying to the Todd's family. What a
shame...having to admit his lying on Video, in front of the whole
world.
The Todd family know now that they have been had....they have no
evidence to show that Todd was murdered. On the excuse that they did
not have sufficient time to study the written testimony of the last
person who saw Todd alive (a former colleague)..they WALKED OUT OF the
CORONER'S COURT.
It was high drama...to get their face on the front page of media...but
it would not hide the shame that they were wrong about Todd's death.
He committed suicide...he was NOT murdered.
Tuesday via video-link on day seven of the hearings.
On Monday, he was reluctant to testify, claiming technical problem
with the video link !! US has problem with video link ???? I have
been using Skype for year.,.to communicate with relatives in the
USA...there were NO PROBLEM. Now, we know the reason why he was
reluctant to testify on Monday.
His original findings, that Todd was strangled..giving the idea to the
Todd's family.was WRONG and mischievous. ..designed to misled the
Todd's family into believing their son was murdered.
Dr Adelstein retracted his original opinion that Dr Todd had been
garrotted (strangled). He now agreed with four other forensic
pathologists that Dr Todd was NOT strangled.
In ther face of four of the foremost forensic pathologists in the
world, he was found to be lying to the Todd's family. What a
shame...having to admit his lying on Video, in front of the whole
world.
The Todd family know now that they have been had....they have no
evidence to show that Todd was murdered. On the excuse that they did
not have sufficient time to study the written testimony of the last
person who saw Todd alive (a former colleague)..they WALKED OUT OF the
CORONER'S COURT.
It was high drama...to get their face on the front page of media...but
it would not hide the shame that they were wrong about Todd's death.
He committed suicide...he was NOT murdered.
baldeagle
May 22, 2013, 9:48:18 AM5/22/13
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knew Mr Montes.
But Montes confirmed in his testimony today that he had actually
met his parents in their hotel room along with some other close
friends days after Dr Todd was found dead.
Todd's family LIED !
Montes confirmed in court today, that he and Todd had dinner together
just hours before he committed suicide. This proved that the claim by
Todd's family that Todd was murdered much earlier elsewhere ..was
another
lie.
Todd's family LIED !
Todd;'s family were unhappy with what they claimed was a surprise
appearance of a witness - Mr Luis Alejandro Andro Montes.
Senior State Counsel Tai Wei Shyong had told the court that he had -
in his opening statement last Monday - said that the State intended
to call Mr Montes as a witness. Todd's family were told on May 13,
more than a week ago, that Montes will be called as a witness.
Todd's family LIED again !!
Todd's family have been trying to fool the coroner with lies,
lies, and more lies. When they were found out...they walked out
of the coroner's court.
What low down characters...are these Americans !!!
Are they typical of All Americans ?
http://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/slw/headlinesnews/25349-todd-family-walks-out-of-court-mid-session.html
ltl...@hotmail.com
May 22, 2013, 10:10:11 AM5/22/13
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Intriguing indeed.
http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore/unfortunate-that-todd-family-chose-to-walk-out-on-inquiry-shanmugam
"Mr Shanmugam said: "It would have been useful if the family had
continued (to participate in the inquiry). I will mention two facts
which the family's evidence would have been particularly useful.
"A key point, which had been made previously, was that the family had
said that they found the external hard drive themselves in the
apartment and they asserted that this hard drive had been processed by
a third party after Dr Todd's death and that hard drive contained
important information which had been overlooked by the Singapore
Police.
"Evidence has come out that that hard drive was something which the
police had looked at and something the police handed over to the
family in the presence of US Embassy officials.
"It would have been useful to hear the family's side as to how they
came to a different view of the facts."
I found it odd when the parents claimed that they found the external
hard drive themselves in the apartment. How could the Singaporean
police miss that? At
present, the question is : Why did the parents make such an easily
refutable
lie?
rst0
May 22, 2013, 1:23:35 PM5/22/13
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don't remember meeting some stranger as they come into Singapore. Dr.
Todd's mother is still in emotional shock and not wanting to believe
her son committed suicide.
>
> Todd's family LIED again !!
>
> Todd's family have been trying to fool the coroner with lies,
> lies, and more lies. When they were found out...they walked out
> of the coroner's court.
>
> What low down characters...are these Americans !!!
> Are they typical of All Americans ?
>
baldeagle
May 22, 2013, 6:10:29 PM5/22/13
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for the first time in a hotel room... but their other lies can not
be explained away as emotional shock...including the hard
drive was something which the Singapore police had looked
at and something the police handed over to the family in the
presence of US Embassy officials.
Yet they told the US media they found the external hard
presence of US Embassy officials.
drive themselves in the apartment and they asserted that
this hard drive had been processed by a third party after
Dr Todd's death and that hard drive contained important
information which had been overlooked by the Singapore
Police.
Such out-right lies...designed to mislead the US public..
this hard drive had been processed by a third party after
Dr Todd's death and that hard drive contained important
information which had been overlooked by the Singapore
Police.
are devious ...and cannot be explained away as emotional
shock.
ltl...@hotmail.com
May 22, 2013, 9:35:05 PM5/22/13
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discovered and how its discovery had altered the story of Shane Todd's
death.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/afbddb44-7640-11e2-8eb6-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2U4YzPtFU
"Before leaving, Mrs Todd noticed what looked like a small speaker.
“Do you think the boys could use this?” she asked her husband. “Put it
in the bag,” he said.
That last-minute find has altered the story of Shane Todd’s death. The
card-sized plastic case was not a speaker but an external hard drive
with a back-up of his computer files, including his work at IME, and a
timetable and plan for a project that apparently involved IME and
Huawei Technologies, the Chinese telecom giant.
The plan lays out how, from 2012 to the end of 2014, IME and Huawei
would “co-develop” an amplifier device powered by gallium nitride
(GaN), a semiconductor material able to withstand extreme heat and
power levels well beyond silicon. GaN devices have commercial use in
lighting as well as high-powered transistors for mobile phone base
stations. They also have tremendous military potential, and major US
defence contractors – including Northrup-Grumman and Raytheon – have
pursued significant research and development in GaN for use in radar
and satellite communications."
Who was lying? The FT journalist, Mrs Todd? Did anyone receive
anything to trump up such a story?
baldeagle
May 22, 2013, 11:58:33 PM5/22/13
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>
> "Before leaving, Mrs Todd noticed what looked like a small speaker.
> “Do you think the boys could use this?” she asked her husband. “Put it
> in the bag,” he said.
>
> That last-minute find has altered the story of Shane Todd’s death. The
> card-sized plastic case was not a speaker but an external hard drive
> with a back-up of his computer files, including his work at IME, and a
> timetable and plan for a project that apparently involved IME and
> Huawei Technologies, the Chinese telecom giant.
>
> The plan lays out how, from 2012 to the end of 2014, IME and Huawei
> would “co-develop” an amplifier device powered by gallium nitride
> (GaN), a semiconductor material able to withstand extreme heat and
> power levels well beyond silicon. GaN devices have commercial use in
> lighting as well as high-powered transistors for mobile phone base
> stations. They also have tremendous military potential, and major US
> defence contractors – including Northrup-Grumman and Raytheon – have
> pursued significant research and development in GaN for use in radar
> and satellite communications."
>
> Who was lying? The FT journalist, Mrs Todd? Did anyone receive
> anything to trump up such a story?
I am beginning to believe that Americans are a nation of liars.
> "Before leaving, Mrs Todd noticed what looked like a small speaker.
> “Do you think the boys could use this?” she asked her husband. “Put it
> in the bag,” he said.
>
> That last-minute find has altered the story of Shane Todd’s death. The
> card-sized plastic case was not a speaker but an external hard drive
> with a back-up of his computer files, including his work at IME, and a
> timetable and plan for a project that apparently involved IME and
> Huawei Technologies, the Chinese telecom giant.
>
> The plan lays out how, from 2012 to the end of 2014, IME and Huawei
> would “co-develop” an amplifier device powered by gallium nitride
> (GaN), a semiconductor material able to withstand extreme heat and
> power levels well beyond silicon. GaN devices have commercial use in
> lighting as well as high-powered transistors for mobile phone base
> stations. They also have tremendous military potential, and major US
> defence contractors – including Northrup-Grumman and Raytheon – have
> pursued significant research and development in GaN for use in radar
> and satellite communications."
>
> Who was lying? The FT journalist, Mrs Todd? Did anyone receive
> anything to trump up such a story?
The newspaper lied...., the medical examiners lied....Todd's mother
lied...Todd's family lawyers lied.....US senators lied and pressurized
the Singapore government...
Not long ago, Secretary Clinton lied and Obama lied,..UN ambassador
Rice lied about the death of an ambassador in Libya..
They lied, and lied, and lied.... It is BAD....What is happening to
the
USA I knew...not so long ago !!??
uputih
May 23, 2013, 3:52:28 AM5/23/13
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I think we should view the whole Todd issue on a wider perspective.
The Parents had just lost a son. Suicide does not go down easy on any
Christian.
The parents are still in a "rejection" mood but in the end there will be
acceptance of the untimely death of the son.
Let us not at this point of time pass judgement on their behaviour.
There are however very interesting developments raised.
1. Why should Todd's workgroup supevisor, Dr Low, conduct a "cautioned"
meeting, unless there are sinister issues involved.
IME albeit a Mindef offshoot, is no different from other Authorities
within the Singapore Government. The practice of veiled threats are rather
dominant in the Civil Service.
I recalled the case of a high flier in the Civil Service, who rose up
very fast within the Administrative Service and then later in MINDEF. He
goes by the initial of B.O. He finally resigned out of frustrations and was
engineered into a situation with another country, that would have ended in
his termination, period. It was almost the divine intervention of a long
lost friend that saved him and put him onto the road of recovery.
2. There have been rumours that things are not going well within the walls
of MINDEF and its offshoot business entities.
I supposed that after Todd's incident is closed, there will be indepth
restructuring within the Organization/s. Just like the case of the Chinese
Bus Drivers. Their sacrifices and punishment, caused SMRT to reinvent
itself.
uputih
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The Parents had just lost a son. Suicide does not go down easy on any
Christian.
The parents are still in a "rejection" mood but in the end there will be
acceptance of the untimely death of the son.
Let us not at this point of time pass judgement on their behaviour.
There are however very interesting developments raised.
1. Why should Todd's workgroup supevisor, Dr Low, conduct a "cautioned"
meeting, unless there are sinister issues involved.
IME albeit a Mindef offshoot, is no different from other Authorities
within the Singapore Government. The practice of veiled threats are rather
dominant in the Civil Service.
I recalled the case of a high flier in the Civil Service, who rose up
very fast within the Administrative Service and then later in MINDEF. He
goes by the initial of B.O. He finally resigned out of frustrations and was
engineered into a situation with another country, that would have ended in
his termination, period. It was almost the divine intervention of a long
lost friend that saved him and put him onto the road of recovery.
2. There have been rumours that things are not going well within the walls
of MINDEF and its offshoot business entities.
I supposed that after Todd's incident is closed, there will be indepth
restructuring within the Organization/s. Just like the case of the Chinese
Bus Drivers. Their sacrifices and punishment, caused SMRT to reinvent
itself.
uputih
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baldeagle
May 23, 2013, 6:53:01 AM5/23/13
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On May 23, 3:52 pm, "uputih" <upu...@lycos.com> wrote:
.> I think we should view the whole Todd issue on a wider
perspective.
>
Yes. We sympathize with her for her pain ...her loss of a son...
As parents, we felt for her.
However, we would NOT allow ..the truth of the death
of her son be falsified ...just because it would painful for
her to face the truth....whether it was Christian upbringing...
or whether it was a flaw in her character.
It is the coroner's duty to inquire into the truth of Todd's death...
it is the duty of the Senior State council..the duty of witnesses,
the duty of the police, the duty of the forensic pathologists,
the duty of friends and relatives, the duty of experts...and
and the duty the family... to help the coroner... to find the truth.
Instead of helping, the family LIED to the coroner...misled the
the court,...telling falsehood, making unsubstantiated allegation,
making unsupported claim of murder.... NOT like a grieving
mother who is interested in finding out the truth on how
her child died....but acting like a demented child trying to get
her way....regardless.
Knowing that her son was not strangled as the medical examiner
(employed by her) initially told her... knowing that the court has
been told the truth...her lies have been exposed by other
witnesses...
she walked out of court making false accusation of the court.
This is UGLY ( like a typical ugly American)...
Does she deserve sympathy ????
Whatever sympathy I had for her....is gone with her walk out and
lying about the integrity of our justice system.
If she is a good Christian...she would know that she had committed
a grave SIN.
God forgive her !!
.> I think we should view the whole Todd issue on a wider
perspective.
>
Yes. We sympathize with her for her pain ...her loss of a son...
As parents, we felt for her.
However, we would NOT allow ..the truth of the death
of her son be falsified ...just because it would painful for
her to face the truth....whether it was Christian upbringing...
or whether it was a flaw in her character.
It is the coroner's duty to inquire into the truth of Todd's death...
it is the duty of the Senior State council..the duty of witnesses,
the duty of the police, the duty of the forensic pathologists,
the duty of friends and relatives, the duty of experts...and
and the duty the family... to help the coroner... to find the truth.
Instead of helping, the family LIED to the coroner...misled the
the court,...telling falsehood, making unsubstantiated allegation,
making unsupported claim of murder.... NOT like a grieving
mother who is interested in finding out the truth on how
her child died....but acting like a demented child trying to get
her way....regardless.
Knowing that her son was not strangled as the medical examiner
(employed by her) initially told her... knowing that the court has
been told the truth...her lies have been exposed by other
witnesses...
she walked out of court making false accusation of the court.
This is UGLY ( like a typical ugly American)...
Does she deserve sympathy ????
Whatever sympathy I had for her....is gone with her walk out and
lying about the integrity of our justice system.
If she is a good Christian...she would know that she had committed
a grave SIN.
God forgive her !!
ltl...@hotmail.com
May 23, 2013, 9:20:18 PM5/23/13
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ltl...@hotmail.com
May 23, 2013, 9:20:58 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 6:53 am, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
baldeagle
May 23, 2013, 10:24:50 PM5/23/13
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censored ?
ltl...@hotmail.com
May 23, 2013, 11:23:59 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 3:52 am, "uputih" <upu...@lycos.com> wrote:
> I think we should view the whole Todd issue on a wider perspective.
>
> The Parents had just lost a son. Suicide does not go down easy on any
> Christian.
> The parents are still in a "rejection" mood but in the end there will be
> acceptance of the untimely death of the son.
> Let us not at this point of time pass judgement on their behaviour.
>
> There are however very interesting developments raised.
>
> 1. Why should Todd's workgroup supevisor, Dr Low, conduct a "cautioned"
> meeting, unless there are sinister issues involved.
Don't know what you mean by "cautioned" meeting. Please clarify.
> I think we should view the whole Todd issue on a wider perspective.
>
> The Parents had just lost a son. Suicide does not go down easy on any
> Christian.
> The parents are still in a "rejection" mood but in the end there will be
> acceptance of the untimely death of the son.
> Let us not at this point of time pass judgement on their behaviour.
>
> There are however very interesting developments raised.
>
> 1. Why should Todd's workgroup supevisor, Dr Low, conduct a "cautioned"
> meeting, unless there are sinister issues involved.
> IME albeit a Mindef offshoot, is no different from other Authorities
> within the Singapore Government. The practice of veiled threats are rather
> dominant in the Civil Service.
>
> I recalled the case of a high flier in the Civil Service, who rose up
> very fast within the Administrative Service and then later in MINDEF. He
> goes by the initial of B.O. He finally resigned out of frustrations and was
> engineered into a situation with another country, that would have ended in
> his termination, period. It was almost the divine intervention of a long
> lost friend that saved him and put him onto the road of recovery.
>
> 2. There have been rumours that things are not going well within the walls
> of MINDEF and its offshoot business entities.
> I supposed that after Todd's incident is closed, there will be indepth
> restructuring within the Organization/s. Just like the case of the Chinese
> Bus Drivers. Their sacrifices and punishment, caused SMRT to reinvent
> itself.
problems.
If not, what is the relevancy?
>
> uputih
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> "baldeagle" <force....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
uputih
May 23, 2013, 8:21:19 AM5/23/13
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On 5/24/2013 11:23 AM, ltl...@hotmail.com wrote:
And you think murdering Dr Shane Todd would have solve all these
problems.
If not, what is the relevancy?
>
?
what i am stressing is that sometimes untoward things occurr in everyday
work. If they are not important ,we have a tendency to sweep them under the
carpet. Later they turned out to be important, and then there is a hue and
cry explaining why they were not reported. In the case of the bus drivers,
their main grouses were unfair pay issues and living conditions. SMRT
Management ignored the issues and nobody cared. It became a furor and public
knowledge only when the Bus Drivers went on strike. In reality these Bus
Drivers were heroes. As a consequence of their illegal actions, SMRT did
finally resolve the shortcomings.
?
In the case of Dr. Todd, in all probability he did committed suicide.
The 64K question is, why did he do it. Did IME in any way contributed to the
demise. Hopefully the court in the end will be able to make the real
truth,public.
I can see that Dr. Todd's father has reservations against our Singapore
Courts. That is why he is pushing for a Congressional Hearing in the US. We
will just have to wait and see.
It does look that the parents have good connections within the political
arena. Ordinary Americans will not be able to do what they did.
uputih
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May 24, 2013, 10:08:13 AM5/24/13
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On May 23, 8:21 am, "uputih" <upu...@lycos.com> wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 11:23 AM, ltl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> And you think murdering Dr Shane Todd would have solve all these
> problems.
> If not, what is the relevancy?
>
>
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ?
>
> what i am stressing is that sometimes untoward things occurr in everyday
> work. If they are not important ,we have a tendency to sweep them under the
> carpet. Later they turned out to be important, and then there is a hue and
> cry explaining why they were not reported.
Everything is possible until it is proven one way or the other. In the
> On 5/24/2013 11:23 AM, ltl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> And you think murdering Dr Shane Todd would have solve all these
> problems.
> If not, what is the relevancy?
>
>
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ?
>
> what i am stressing is that sometimes untoward things occurr in everyday
> work. If they are not important ,we have a tendency to sweep them under the
> carpet. Later they turned out to be important, and then there is a hue and
> cry explaining why they were not reported.
mean time,
the real question is how probable. The question can only be answered
by fact
and logic. If you think certain aspect of Dr. Todd's case is still
not sufficiently
addressed, please be specific
> In the case of the bus drivers,
> their main grouses were unfair pay issues and living conditions. SMRT
> Management ignored the issues and nobody cared. It became a furor and public
> knowledge only when the Bus Drivers went on strike. In reality these Bus
> Drivers were heroes. As a consequence of their illegal actions, SMRT did
> finally resolve the shortcomings.
>
> ?
>
> In the case of Dr. Todd, in all probability he did committed suicide.
>
> The 64K question is, why did he do it. Did IME in any way contributed to the
> demise. Hopefully the court in the end will be able to make the real
> truth,public.
contribute
what belong to the realm of arts,, not sciences..
>
> I can see that Dr. Todd's father has reservations against our Singapore
> Courts. That is why he is pushing for a Congressional Hearing in the US. We
> will just have to wait and see.
Again. Not an issue of can or cannot. It is about specifics. In what
> I can see that Dr. Todd's father has reservations against our Singapore
> Courts. That is why he is pushing for a Congressional Hearing in the US. We
> will just have to wait and see.
way the
Singapore court has behaved unprofessional and/or objectionable per
Mr
Todd's view?
>
> It does look that the parents have good connections within the political
> arena. Ordinary Americans will not be able to do what they did.
Agree.
> It does look that the parents have good connections within the political
> arena. Ordinary Americans will not be able to do what they did.
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