M1, M4, M5, M6 & M25 - How long are they?
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Could anyone in the UK tell me how long the M1, M4, M5 and M6 are?
I know where they originate and end, but my best guesses are the
following:
M1 (Brent Cross,GL-Leeds,N Yorks): 177 miles
M4 (Chiswick,GL-Camarthen, Gwent): 193 miles
M5 (Walsall, W Mids-Exeter, Dev): 148 miles
M6 (Rugby, Warw-Gretna Green, Cumbs): 233 miles
Also, how long is the London Orbital Motorway (M25)? My best guess is
about 72 miles from Dartford (Junction 1) to Junction 31.
Brian Colby
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Jonathan Lloyd
> M4 (Chiswick,GL-Camarthen, Gwent): 193 miles
Carmarthen is in Dyfed, not Gwent.
-Jonathan.
Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC
> Howdy folx:
>
> Could anyone in the UK tell me how long the M1, M4, M5 and M6 are?
> I know where they originate and end, but my best guesses are the
> following:
>
> M1 (Brent Cross,GL-Leeds,N Yorks): 177 miles
> M4 (Chiswick,GL-Camarthen, Gwent): 193 miles
> M5 (Walsall, W Mids-Exeter, Dev): 148 miles
> M6 (Rugby, Warw-Gretna Green, Cumbs): 233 miles
>
> Also, how long is the London Orbital Motorway (M25)? My best guess is
> about 72 miles from Dartford (Junction 1) to Junction 31.
>
is just over 70miles, and that's only half the motorway.
Steve
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Peter Knight
>Howdy folx:
>Could anyone in the UK tell me how long the M1, M4, M5 and M6 are?
>I know where they originate and end, but my best guesses are the
>following:
> M1 (Brent Cross,GL-Leeds,N Yorks): 177 miles
> M4 (Chiswick,GL-Camarthen, Gwent): 193 miles
> M5 (Walsall, W Mids-Exeter, Dev): 148 miles
> M6 (Rugby, Warw-Gretna Green, Cumbs): 233 miles
>Also, how long is the London Orbital Motorway (M25)? My best guess is
>about 72 miles from Dartford (Junction 1) to Junction 31.
>Brian Colby
I believe the M25 is nearer 117 miles long, plus the bit of about 4 miles
near the Dartford Crossing.
Peter Knight
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Ceri Hopkins
Brian> Howdy folx:
Brian> Could anyone in the UK tell me how long the M1, M4, M5 and M6 are?
Brian> I know where they originate and end, but my best guesses are the
Brian> following:
Brian> M1 (Brent Cross,GL-Leeds,N Yorks): 177 miles
Brian> M4 (Chiswick,GL-Camarthen, Gwent): 193 miles
Brian> M5 (Walsall, W Mids-Exeter, Dev): 148 miles
Brian> M6 (Rugby, Warw-Gretna Green, Cumbs): 233 miles
Brian> Also, how long is the London Orbital Motorway (M25)? My best guess is
Brian> about 72 miles from Dartford (Junction 1) to Junction 31.
What a bizarre question! Is this for a trivia quiz or what ;-) ? The
best source of reference would be a softback road atlas (costing about
a fiver, and updated fairly regularly) which gives a better overall
view of the British road network, and geography.
My question..
How many holes in Blackburn, Lancashire, these days?
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>My question..
>
>How many holes in Blackburn, Lancashire, these days?
Last time I looked, 50,447 near the lake (*grin as wide the M1*)
I once had a British atlas, but not any more. Yes, it's a bizarre question, but
someone's bound to ask it. I was hoping someone from the Ministry of Transport would answer...
but I guess not. (*grin*)
Geoff Landergan
>Brian> I know where they originate and end, but my best guesses are the
>Brian> following:
>
>Brian> M1 (Brent Cross,GL-Leeds,N Yorks): 177 miles
>Brian> M4 (Chiswick,GL-Camarthen, Gwent): 193 miles
>Brian> M5 (Walsall, W Mids-Exeter, Dev): 148 miles
>Brian> M6 (Rugby, Warw-Gretna Green, Cumbs): 233 miles
>
>Brian> Also, how long is the London Orbital Motorway (M25)? My best guess is
>Brian> about 72 miles from Dartford (Junction 1) to Junction 31.
>
>What a bizarre question! Is this for a trivia quiz or what ;-) ? The
>best source of reference would be a softback road atlas (costing about
>a fiver, and updated fairly regularly) which gives a better overall
>view of the British road network, and geography.
On the off-chance that five pound UK road atlases are hard to come by in
the US:-
M1: 196 miles;
M4: 198 miles;
M5: 164 miles;
M6: 236 miles (to Carlisle);
The M25 is about 134 miles all the way round!
A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
in a hour or less.
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Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC
> The M25 is about 134 miles all the way round!
>
> A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
> have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
> in a hour or less.
Are you sure? I find that hard to believe, it would be incredibly stupid
to require someone to drive at twice the speedlimit for an hour, on a
road that in places is carrying twice its intended amount of traffic. Even
with blue lights & siren going.
Or are they allowed to do it in the helicopter?
Geoff Landergan
>Are you sure? I find that hard to believe, it would be incredibly stupid
>to require someone to drive at twice the speedlimit for an hour, on a
>road that in places is carrying twice its intended amount of traffic. Even
>with blue lights & siren going.
Fairly sure. I believe they do at about 4/5am when there's only a few
cars every mile. I suppose it makes sense, since these guys have to
do the same speed during the day if there's an emergency.
Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge
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>A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
>have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
>in a hour or less.
If they can do that at 08:00 or 17:00 I will be *very* impressed!
Martin
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Aled Morris
>In article <727946...@kells.demon.co.uk>, geo...@kells.demon.co.uk (Geoff Landergan) writes:
>> A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
>> have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
>> in a hour or less.
>
>Are you sure? I find that hard to believe, it would be incredibly stupid
>to require someone to drive at twice the speedlimit for an hour
Not too bad in a 24v Senator at 3am, but pity the young constable who
draws the short straw and the Austin Metro panda car.
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Peter Woodhouse
>The M25 is about 134 miles all the way round!
>
>A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
>have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
>in a hour or less.
Are you seriously trying to say that they have to average 134 mph on a
crowded motorway as part of their training? If so, it sounds insane to me.
>
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Geoff Rimmer
>
>A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
>have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
>in a hour or less.
More M25 trivia: the M25 DOESN'T go all the way round London.
It starts at Junction 2 (interchange with the A2) and continues
clockwise to Junction 31 (junction with A13) just north of the
Dartford tunnels and bridge. The intervening bit (tunnels/bridge and
connection back to junction 2) is in fact the A282.
I think I am right in saying that BIRMINGHAM is the only town/city
in the UK with its own "motorway ring" (i.e. continuous motorway
around it and with no other towns/cities within that ring)
Geoff "Railway and Motorway Guru" Rimmer
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Geoff Rimmer
interested :-) that the Birmingham Motorway Ring consists of:
\ M6 | M42
\ M6 J4a * J8| * = clockwise route
O--------------------O------O & = anti-clockwise route
|J8 \ | M42
| M6 \& |
| ----O--------
| X J7|J4 M6
M5 | Birmingham |
| | M42
| |
| |
|J4a J3a|
O---------------------------O
| M42 \
M5 | \ M40
Geoff
Geoff Landergan
>
>Geoff "Railway and Motorway Guru" Rimmer
>
Wow! Let's compare notes on early 20th century telegraph poles
sometime soon!
C R Pennell
[Chunks deleted to keep Ray DUnn happy - he's right though)
: I think I am right in saying that BIRMINGHAM is the only town/city
: in the UK with its own "motorway ring" (i.e. continuous motorway
: around it and with no other towns/cities within that ring)
It is quite easy to imagine why people would wnat to go ROUND Birmingham.
Leeds on the other hand has a motorway which takes you right into the
middle and then stops.
Richard Pennell, History NUS
David Barker-Plummer
SM> In article <1993Feb3.1...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, he...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Henry Bloomfield) writes:
> Yet more M25 trivia: I saw an advert for a video of the M25
> yesterday, as taken from a car doing a complete circuit. If
> anyone really wants the address to write off to (hmmm, likely?)
> I'll post it...
SM> If they did it like the old "train journey to Brighton", i.e. all
SM> compressed into 4 minutes, it might be interesting. Well, maybe
SM> 'interesting' isn't the word, but...
For no particular reason this brings to mind the TV programmes
broadcast here in the US (well, Philadelphia anyway) in which the
half-hour programme is of the journey along a mountain road as seen
from a bike. The idea is to give you something to watch while you
ride your exercise bike (its just like you're really there, honest).
I think that a sped up "journey to Brighton" (from London?) version
would probably be more entertaining (and provide better exercise
too...).
-- Dave
Henry Bloomfield
yesterday, as taken from a car doing a complete circuit. If
anyone really wants the address to write off to (hmmm, likely?)
I'll post it...
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> yesterday, as taken from a car doing a complete circuit. If
> anyone really wants the address to write off to (hmmm, likely?)
> I'll post it...
If they did it like the old "train journey to Brighton", i.e. all
compressed into 4 minutes, it might be interesting. Well, maybe
'interesting' isn't the word, but...
Steve
David Brooks
(hi Dave. How's my son behaving?)
| I think that a sped up "journey to Brighton" (from London?) version
| would probably be more entertaining (and provide better exercise
| too...).
That's the point. Back in the dark ages of TV, when BBC owned four
cameras and everything was live, they had to cover the dead air while
they trundled the equipment from studio to studio. So they'd broadcast
(on telecine, presumably) a standard short. London to Brighton in Four
Minutes was a favourite; so for some reason was Kitten Playing With
Wool.
Now, if you counted the stations or estimated the speed, you'd realize
that the shots of the driver's intent face was covering up a few minor
cuts in the out-front view.
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| Yet more M25 trivia: I saw an advert for a video of the M25
| yesterday, as taken from a car doing a complete circuit.
Dartford to Dartford in four minutes?
(OK, hands up if that brings back memories of the original High Speed Train)
ja...@cas.org
>jac...@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>
>>David Brooks writes:
>>>
>>>(OK, hands up if that brings back memories of the original High Speed Train)
>
>>it every time there was a problem and they needed something to fill in
>>the awkward gap.
>
>Has anyone seen the London to Edinburgh film. I think it was made
>just after the war. I think it is about half an hour long, but it does take
>longer to get from London to Edinburgh than to Brighton. From memory I
>think it is one of the old LNER steam locomotives. There's also a narrator
>who reads a poem to accompany the film.
Are you perhaps thinking about "The Night Mail" (or similar title)?
This was one of John Grierson's early masterpieces. If I remember
correctly, the poet was Auden (but I'm probably wrong) but the
music was definitely by Benjamin Britten.
>I know one doesn't usually earn points for knowing anything about trains, but
>I thought I'd mention it.
Try alt.games.mornington-cresent
Alec
Andrew Ment
>David Brooks writes:
>>
>>(OK, hands up if that brings back memories of the original High Speed Train)
>Yes, as a lad I watched the London to Brighton film many times. They showed
>it every time there was a problem and they needed something to fill in
>the awkward gap.
Has anyone seen the London to Edinburgh film. I think it was made
just after the war. I think it is about half an hour long, but it does take
longer to get from London to Edinburgh than to Brighton. From memory I
think it is one of the old LNER steam locomotives. There's also a narrator
who reads a poem to accompany the film.
I know one doesn't usually earn points for knowing anything about trains, but
I thought I'd mention it.
- andrew
Dick Jackson
>
>(OK, hands up if that brings back memories of the original High Speed Train)
Yes, as a lad I watched the London to Brighton film many times. They showed
Geraint Jones
) just after the war. I think it is about half an hour long, but it does take
( longer to get from London to Edinburgh than to Brighton. From memory I
) think it is one of the old LNER steam locomotives. There's also a narrator
( who reads a poem to accompany the film.
That's Night Mail, which is a Post Office film. And it's not just `a
poem', it's Night Mail. Well, it would be wouldn't it. Doesn't it go
by Crewe (cue for scene with Welsh-accented station staff at Crewe) and
the West Coast, which would surely be LMS rather than LNER. It's a GPO
film which comes complete with Posties on bicycles, rather than being a
train film. There is also a complementary half hour of 1980s stuff that
was made to go with it.
More like the Brighton film is the London to Birmingham Snow Hill film,
shot from the cab of one of the shiny new electric trains (diesel-electric,
I mean) when they were shiny and new. I cannot remember whether it comes
by the old Thame route to Oxford, or whether it goes through Aylesbury to
Banbury.
( I know one doesn't usually earn points for knowing anything about trains, but
) I thought I'd mention it.
I claim my brownie points for flaunting my ignorace about train films. g
Dave Jones
> plu...@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer) writes:
> (hi Dave. How's my son behaving?)
>
> | I think that a sped up "journey to Brighton" (from London?) version
> | would probably be more entertaining (and provide better exercise
> | too...).
>
> That's the point. Back in the dark ages of TV, when BBC owned four
> cameras and everything was live, they had to cover the dead air while
> they trundled the equipment from studio to studio. So they'd broadcast
> (on telecine, presumably) a standard short. London to Brighton in Four
> Minutes was a favourite; so for some reason was Kitten Playing With
> Wool.
>
Remember all those Rolf Harris shorts (that's not a new product from
Marks&Sparks, by the way) ? One day, someone saw the Bearded One doing
"Tie Me Kangaroo Down" in between the News and Come Dancing, grabbed a
record and a camera, and the rest is history......
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Geoff Rimmer
>More like the Brighton film is the London to Birmingham Snow Hill film,
>shot from the cab of one of the shiny new electric trains (diesel-electric,
>I mean) when they were shiny and new. I cannot remember whether it comes
>by the old Thame route to Oxford, or whether it goes through Aylesbury to
>Banbury.
(...consults computerised video tape contents database...)
Channel 4 showed this film (on January 1st 1991 if you must know :-)
and so I can confirm that the journey was via Aylesbury and Banbury,
stopping only at Leamington Spa, and at a signal near Bordesley just
outside Birmingham!
Unfortunately, the film contains quite a few gaps (for example we
don't see Aynho Junction (just South of Kings Sutton)). Is this
because of film changes, or were these missing segments just deleted
to make the film shorter? I would *love* to see the full version.
One of the best bits is the approach to Birmingham. This is filmed
BEFORE they built that bloody ugly 60's Rotunda building. The skyline
looks somewhat refreshingly different!
>( I know one doesn't usually earn points for knowing anything about
> trains, but I thought I'd mention it.)
I think it should be an Olympic Games event. ("And here comes Rimmer,
desperately trying to remember all the stations and halts that ever
existed on the Cotswold Line, plus their individual history and track
diagrams. And he's on the last one... will he get it? It's ...
Worcester Shrub Hill! And the gold goes to Britain once again!")
Sorry, just day-dreaming.
Geoff
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Guy Barry
>Y'know, this was probably how the whole rock video thing got started.
>Remember all those Rolf Harris shorts (that's not a new product from
>Marks&Sparks, by the way) ? One day, someone saw the Bearded One doing
>"Tie Me Kangaroo Down" in between the News and Come Dancing, grabbed a
>record and a camera, and the rest is history......
I nominate this posting as a entry in this year's "most obscure deviation
from the Subject line" contest.
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Henry Bloomfield
>jac...@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>>David Brooks writes:
>>Yes, as a lad I watched the London to Brighton film many times. They showed
>>it every time there was a problem and they needed something to fill in
>>the awkward gap.
>Has anyone seen the London to Edinburgh film. I think it was made
There was also another 'filler' of a potter I think, making a
small pot. The clip was about 4 minutes long, like the London
to Brighton clip, and he just finished making the pot by the
end (*Every time* as well!! :-) )
Henry
Dave Jones
> In article <1993Feb8.1...@pixel.kodak.com> d...@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>
> >Y'know, this was probably how the whole rock video thing got started.
> >Remember all those Rolf Harris shorts (that's not a new product from
> >Marks&Sparks, by the way) ? One day, someone saw the Bearded One doing
> >"Tie Me Kangaroo Down" in between the News and Come Dancing, grabbed a
> >record and a camera, and the rest is history......
>
> I nominate this posting as a entry in this year's "most obscure deviation
> from the Subject line" contest.
>