Savrsen krug
Gordan Calma
Da li je iko vidio film? Ne znam tacno da li se zove "Savrsen krug"
ili "Savrseni krug", ali nije vazno. Da li je film postigao uspjeh u BiH
i(li) ex-Jugoslaviji?
Gordan
Sergio Marchesini
it wrong...language problems)
If you are talking about the movie by Ademir Kenovic, about the war in
Sarajevo, I have seen it, and will not forget it for a long time.... The
title is Savrseni krug, in Franch, at Cannes, it was translated into : The
perfect Circle: Le cercle Parfait.
It's one of the most touching movies I have seen, I would like to know what
you think about it....
Bye
Sergio
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Victor
"Shot through the Heart" about Sarajevo. It is wanderful -
and it doesn't give much of a light on serbs. They said it is made
after true story.
regards
Gordan Calma
> Hi Gordon, are you asking if somebody has seen the movie? (Sorry if I got
> it wrong...language problems)
Si, ho scritto se qualche uno ha visto il film. Non l'ho visto, perche e
impossibile ottenere questo film qui, in Canada.
> If you are talking about the movie by Ademir Kenovic, about the war in
> Sarajevo, I have seen it, and will not forget it for a long time....
Ho voglia di vederlo, ma, come ho detto, non posso. I capitalisti
canadesi non mai danno niente della Bosnia, o Europa, in generale. Danno
qualche film, ma una grande magioranza dei film che danno viene di
Hollywood (Blockbuster movies). Ma ho avuto l'opportunita di vedere un nuovo
film italiano ( "La bella vita"). E molto simpatico. Triste e anche
divertente.... Mi piace molto.
The
> title is Savrseni krug, in Franch, at Cannes, it was translated into : The
> perfect Circle: Le cercle Parfait.
> It's one of the most touching movies I have seen, I would like to know what
> you think about it....
I should go see it as soon as possible. But don't know where. If anyone
here is from Canada, please let me know (if you know) whether it is
possible to obtain "The Perfect Circle" on video here.
Sergio, scusi il mio italiano, ho preso un corso all'universita "Carleton"
a Ottawa l'anno scorso. Sto prendendo "Intermediate Italian" ora.
Arrivederci!
Gordan
Gordan Calma
> Maybe a bit off topic, however I saw the British made movie:
> "Shot through the Heart" about Sarajevo. It is wanderful -
> and it doesn't give much of a light on serbs. They said it is made
> after true story.
> regards
Oh, please, Victor. I heard that it is the USA/Canada production. Canadians
don't even know where Bosnia is. Not to talk about Americans. And all the
characters in the film are communicating in English, and all the scenes are
shot in Hungary. Perhaps I am a bit old fashioned, but it just kills the
plausibility of the film. Americans should better stick to subjective,
little, moronic personal stories with a bit of historical backdrop like in
"Titanic", 'Indiana Jones", "Stagecoach", etc. They should leave Balkans
alone... Once and for all....
Gordan
Victor
Gordan Calma wrote:
> Victor (f...@nt.com) wrote:
> > Maybe a bit off topic, however I saw the British made movie:
> > "Shot through the Heart" about Sarajevo. It is wanderful -
> > and it doesn't give much of a light on serbs. They said it is made
> > after true story.
> > regards
>
> Oh, please, Victor. I heard that it is the USA/Canada production. Canadians
> don't even know where Bosnia is.
You are mistaken. They know about Bosnia more than you do.
> Not to talk about Americans. And all the
> characters in the film are communicating in English, and all the scenes are
> shot in Hungary.
All characters in movie are with English names. Actors are very authentic
(Sarajevans), the language is English (some Bosnian and serbian in
background),
and the movie is made after true story. To me who lived about 20 years in
Sarajevo, the movie is excellent and made with Western taste in mind.
> Perhaps I am a bit old fashioned, but it just kills the
> plausibility of the film. Americans should better stick to subjective,
> little, moronic personal stories with a bit of historical backdrop like in
> "Titanic", 'Indiana Jones", "Stagecoach", etc. They should leave Balkans
> alone... Once and for all....
Well, Americans saved Bosnians from serbian and croatian criminals. This
movie shows the snipers part of the story. To focus to the topic
makers only hint the bestialities done by serbs. So your advice to
Americans what to watch, and whether they should leave Balkan is
childish. Americans are much more welcome to Bosnia than serb or
croatian criminals and intruders. This movie clearly shows why. And
that's why they are called there and why we the Bosnians are very
grateful for it. They should do the same think in Kosova - sooner the
better.
> Gordan
Alic Necko
Gordan Calma schrieb in Nachricht <70mh89$s56$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
>
>Da li je iko vidio film? Ne znam tacno da li se zove "Savrsen krug"
>ili "Savrseni krug", ali nije vazno. Da li je film postigao uspjeh u BiH
>i(li) ex-Jugoslaviji?
Da ja sam ga gledao ali ovdje u Svicarkoj. Ovdje je imao dobru kritiku -
neznam za BiH i Ex-Jugu ...... ako imas kakvih jos pitanje samo reci.
Grüsse aus Bern
NeCkO
Jasminka Hasic
Ja sam vidjela film i nije mi se nesto pretjerano svidio. Osjecala sam
se kao da sam gledala dokumentarni film ... isto tako kada sam gledala i
Welcome to Sarajevo ... nekako sam osjetila da fali malo vise
umjetnickog u svemu tome da bi se film mogao zvati dobrim ...
Eto to je moje licno misljenje ...
Ali posto je film nas onda cu da kazem da je ipak dobar :)
Jaca
Gordan Calma
> > Oh, please, Victor. I heard that it is the USA/Canada production. Canadians
> > don't even know where Bosnia is.
> You are mistaken. They know about Bosnia more than you do.
Yeah...And I know more about America than they do.
> > Not to talk about Americans. And all the
> > characters in the film are communicating in English, and all the scenes are
> > shot in Hungary.
> All characters in movie are with English names. Actors are very authentic
> (Sarajevans), the language is English (some Bosnian and serbian in
> background),
> and the movie is made after true story. To me who lived about 20 years in
> Sarajevo, the movie is excellent and made with Western taste in mind.
I did not see the movie, Victor. But I know the American way of
understanding the world. This, of course, can be a stereotype, maybe the
film is different, but in general, the Americans play around with false
mimesis, they tend to reinforce their point of view, to shape characters'
personalities in accordance to their socio-political ideal. They tend to
force you to overlook many things that support their ideology in favour of
the naturalness of these things. And everything, always, always, ends in a
closure in which some kind of moral message is brought, where we
understand the world as being black and white, where the characters are
accounted for. Through whose eyes is seen this film? Who is the
protagonist in the film? The world does not work in this way.
> > Perhaps I am a bit old fashioned, but it just kills the
> > plausibility of the film. Americans should better stick to subjective,
> > little, moronic personal stories with a bit of historical backdrop like in
> > "Titanic", 'Indiana Jones", "Stagecoach", etc. They should leave Balkans
> > alone... Once and for all....
> Well, Americans saved Bosnians from serbian and croatian criminals. This
> movie shows the snipers part of the story. To focus to the topic
> makers only hint the bestialities done by serbs. So your advice to
> Americans what to watch, and whether they should leave Balkan is
> childish. Americans are much more welcome to Bosnia than serb or
> croatian criminals and intruders. This movie clearly shows why. And
> that's why they are called there and why we the Bosnians are very
> grateful for it. They should do the same think in Kosova - sooner the
> better.
Well, Victor, you see I don't agree with you here. I am a Bosnian and I
don't see how the Americans saved me. Maybe they have saved your Sarajevo,
but what about other cities? I know that in your pretentious Sarajevan
mind Bosnia=Sarajevo, but for me it is a different story. Where is my
Banjaluka? Who is secured freedom at whose expense? Ask yourself those
questions, Victor.
Don't take things for granted. Learn a little bit about ideological state
apparatuses. And learn to differentiate between the terms "Bosnian",
"Bosniak" and "Serb". Many "Bosniaks" are "Bosnians", but not all
"Bosnians" are "Bosniaks". Take a look little bit outside Sarajevo.
Gordan Calma
> Da ja sam ga gledao ali ovdje u Svicarkoj. Ovdje je imao dobru kritiku -
> neznam za BiH i Ex-Jugu ...... ako imas kakvih jos pitanje samo reci.
> NeCkO
Vozdra, Necko!
Hvala na odgovoru. Kakva je uloga Pejakovica u filmu? On je meni legenda.
Gordan
Gordan Calma
> Cioas Gordane,
> Ja sam vidjela film i nije mi se nesto pretjerano svidio. Osjecala sam
> se kao da sam gledala dokumentarni film ... isto tako kada sam gledala i
> Welcome to Sarajevo ... nekako sam osjetila da fali malo vise
> umjetnickog u svemu tome da bi se film mogao zvati dobrim ...
Vozdra, Jasminka!
Ja mislim da nema nista lose u dokumentarcima kao dokumentarcima. Ali
poenta je da filmovi kao "Welcome to Sarajevo" se u stvari samo sluze
konvencijama dokumentaraca, da bi u stvari pokazali jednu subjektivnu pricu
jednog "dobrocudnog" britanskog novinara. Mnogo bi vise dobrodosao film u
kome bi se pokazala patnja, hrabrost i duh bosanskog naroda kroz NJEGOVE
oci, a ne kroz oci nekog zapadnjaka kom smo mi, u stvari, samo zamjena za
Somalijce, Cecene, Kuvajcane ili vojeristicki promatrane kolonizirane
crnce prije post-kolonijalnog perioda. Sad zvucim kao Mel Gibson u
"Conspiracy Theory", ali, zaista je velika greska nazvati "Welcome to
Sarajevo" dokumentarnim filmom. Arhivske snimke same po sebi nisu dokaz
neutralnosti. Problem film je ko GLEDA, a ko je GLEDAN. Ja zelim vidjeti
istinski bosanski film u kome Bosanci misle, gledaju, razmisljaju,
zakljucuju. Zato sam i pitao o "Savrsenom krugu"... Nadam se da barem tu
Bosanci mogu gledati kroz bosanske oci...
> Eto to je moje licno misljenje ...
> Ali posto je film nas onda cu da kazem da je ipak dobar :)
> Jaca
Cujemo se. Kako je u Tuzli, inace?
Gordan
Alic Necko
Gordan Calma schrieb in Nachricht <70taul$b5o$2...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
>Vozdra, Necko!
>Hvala na odgovoru. Kakva je uloga Pejakovica u filmu? On je meni legenda.
>Gordan
Kao sto mozes predpostaviti je Film ono : Cetnici protiv nas..........
Pejakovic glumi Cetnika koji nama pomaze ali ga nekraju njegovi ubijaju -
nije bas dugo u Filmu ali mu je uloga vazna......
Preporucujem ti ga da ga vidis........
Grüsse aus Bern
NeCkO
Victor
Gordan Calma wrote:
> I did not see the movie, Victor. But I know the American way of
> understanding the world. This, of course, can be a stereotype, maybe the
> film is different, but in general, the Americans play around with false
> mimesis, they tend to reinforce their point of view, to shape characters'
> personalities in accordance to their socio-political ideal. They tend to
> force you to overlook many things that support their ideology in favour of
> the naturalness of these things. And everything, always, always, ends in a
> closure in which some kind of moral message is brought, where we
> understand the world as being black and white, where the characters are
> accounted for. Through whose eyes is seen this film? Who is the
> protagonist in the film? The world does not work in this way.
Huh my pilence. The movie is English-Hungarian co-op with help from BBC.
Americans play no parts in it. Therefore, all your theory is bs. So thanks
for your bs below.
>Well, Victor, you see I don't agree with you here. I am a Bosnian and