BASQUES & BERBERS
javier
Pardon, je ne parle France, I'm Basque from Spain and I'll Speak in
Spanish and English.
Dicen que el Basque y el Berber podrian ser lenguas hermanas, podria
algun berber traducirme en su lengua estas palabras vascas?
Aita (father), Anaia (brother), Arreba (sixter), Txakurra (dog),
ardia (sheep), akerra (cuckold), begiak (eyes), eskuak (hands), ahoa
(mouth), egin ( to do), jan ( to eat), joan ( to go), ni naiz (I am),
nik daukat (I've got)
Suena parecido el Basque al Berber?
Basque-->
" Ez nas ni neskia, neskatilla garbija baino, ikasi eikezu urrenguan
obeto berba egiten. Zuk zeure soinoko bitxidunok baino nik geijago
estimetan dot buruko ule-trenza gerriraño elduten jatana ta zapi baga
nun nai erabilli daikedana. Botako zendukedaz plagiaren etxera, gauza
askori begiratuko ezpaneutsee. lan bere esan neutsun au."
Podeis escribir algo en Berber? Mercy.
javier
bmadani
Trate de mandarle un mesaje privado pero me regresaron la carta. Hay un
newsgroup que se enteresaria en esta pregunta. Es privado, por eso no
quiero escribirlo aqui. Es decir, cualquiera puede inscribirse pero no
queremos personas que buscan problemas, como algunos aqui. Si quiere,
escrivame, y le doy los detalles. Escribo en ingles, pero esto es para
que no me fastidie algunos idiotas que leen soc.culture.berber.
Su pregunta es muy buena, y se debe dirigir donde pueda que haiga
verdadero interes.
Blanca
bmadani
this gentleman is trying to find out if there are similarities between
Basque and Tamazight as some studies have indicated. Check out the list
of words below and translate into Tamazight. He'd also like to see a
short text in Tamazight. He has placed one in Basque below.
Anyone interested in comparing?
The words he's listed for comparison:
> >Aita (father), Anaia (brother), Arreba (sixter), Txakurra (dog),
> >ardia (sheep), akerra (cuckold), begiak (eyes), eskuak (hands), ahoa
> >(mouth), egin ( to do), jan ( to eat), joan ( to go), ni naiz (I am),
> >nik daukat (I've got)
javier wrote:
>
> Hi, does anybody speak berber here?
>
bmadani
(and there may be some vocabulary differences depending on where a
kabyle is from, and this is just one of many Tamazight speaking groups):
In order: Basque (english) Kabyle
Aita (father) vava,
Anaia (brother) agma (also "ayma" can be used),
Arreba (sister) oueltma,
Txakurra (dog) atarus or akejun,
ardia (sheep) ikheri, akerra
(cuckold) atehane,
begiak (eyes) alene,
eskuak (hands) afus
(sing) ifassen (plural),
ahoa (mouth) akemuch,
jan ( to eat) etch,
joan ( to go) IROUH
He also said that the following are difficult to translate because it
depends on the situation: egin ( to do), ni naiz (I am), nik daukat
(I've got).
You may also need to look at grammar composition.
bmadani
different spellings, but there are some additions.
Father ( vava ), brother ( Agma ), sister ( Uletma ),
dog ( Aqjun, aydhi, aqzine )
Sheep ( Ikkeri, izimer )
eyes ( allen )
hands ( Ifassen )
mouth ( Aqemouch, immi )
to do ( adh-3alegh )
to eat ( adhetchegh ) le tch se prononce comme dans tchequie.
to go ( adh-rouHegh ) H se prononce comme le h de MoHamed.
I am ( nekkini ).
I'v got ( ghouri ).
diasp...@my-deja.com
> Hi, does anybody speak berber here?
Si :)
I am sorry to disappoint you, but I don't see any connection between
Basque and Berber. Here is the shawi(Ashawith)translation of your words:
> >Aita (father)
Thada
> > Anaia (brother)
Uma
> > Txakurra (dog),
Aythi; Aythith=f dog; agzine = puppy.
> >ardia (sheep),
Sheep in general= ulli; ikhsi=f sheep; iker= ram; izmer = lamb.
> > begiak (eyes),
Itaween
> >eskuak (hands),
iffassen
> >(mouth),
imi
> > egin ( to do),
ig
> >jan ( to eat),
Ech
> > joan ( to go),
uggir
> >ni naiz (I am),
Nech
> >nik daukat (I've got)
Nech aghri.
Adios amadukal(amigo)!
--
diaspora.
dz ithalli...dz assa...dz athacha...algeria forever.
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diasp...@my-deja.com
diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> javier <jma...@mixmail.com> wrote:
> Si :)
> > >Aita (father)
> Thada
> > > Anaia (brother)
> Uma
> > > Txakurra (dog),
> > >ardia (sheep),
> > > begiak (eyes),
> Itaween
> > >eskuak (hands),
> iffassen
> > >(mouth),
> imi
> > > egin ( to do),
> ig
> > >jan ( to eat),
> Ech
> > > joan ( to go),
> uggir
> > >ni naiz (I am),
> Nech
> Nech aghri.
> Adios amadukal(amigo)!
I forget the word sister.
Arreba(sister) = Waltma
us...@sprintpipe.com
and chaouia are the same language.
All the words you listed are exactly the same we use
in kabyle although the phonetic for
"i am " is different .
In Aures they say "nech" and in Kabylie "nek"
this can be seen with other languages.
Now that's what we call TAMAZIGHT
Massine
Fais moi confiance, la langue Basque n'a rien avoir avec le
Thamazight... Elles ont en commun une seule chose : ceux sont les
langues les plus ancienne du bassin mediterraneen!
Massine.
bmadani
I don't know, Massine. Languages are not "not related" just because of
the vocabulary differences. Similarities might be in the grammar, the
syntax. Also, linguists know about vocabulary similarities we might
miss. Sometimes words appear to be totally different, but certain
letters replace others in a language and in time look different.
Remember, too, that pronunciation may have changed a bit, or people
spell what they hear differently, and so we end up with words that might
look quite different. Also, meanings may have changed in time. Take
"aita" in basque, meaning father. Think of what "ait" or "at" means. Use
your imagination, and it's not difficult to see a relationship.
javier
Hi again :
Here is other basque language caracteristiques to compare with Berber,
and some Basque-Berber theories.
The Basque is in world clasifications an isolated language, it isn't
related to any other. But there is four theories, 1. born here,
(improbable) 2. Basque would be Iberian (very criticized) , 3. it's a
little similar to Georgian (In Caucaso). 4. some resemblances with
Berber.
An most probable theory (In witch I belive) : about 7000 years ago or
more there was one old language or languages family extended by West
Europe and North Africa before the arrival of celts and Indoeuropeans
through the north and other peoples whose arrived to North Africa and
Europe by south and west. Basque and Berber would be memories of this
old language or family, witch was spoken too in Ireland probably.
Basque and Berbers are the oldest people in West Europe and North
Africa.
And by other way, according to latest investigations in human genoma,
there is a surprising genetic relation between Basques, Irishs, and
the old North-Afrincan peoples.
Thanks again, and see you.
Some Basque caracteristiques to compare with Berber-------->
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STRUCTURE DE L'EUSKARA (Basque)
Le bonheur est la seule chose que nous puissions donner sans l'avoir.
Izan gabe eman dezakegun gauza bakarra da zoriona
Avoir sans donner que nous chose seule est le bonheur
puissions
As you can see the gramatical order is just the inverse to English,
Spanish, French,.... I don't know if Berber is similar.
Some caracteristiques more:
Bai (yes) --------- Ez (not)
Declination:
etxe-a (home)
etxe-ak (homes)
etxe-tik (through home)
etxe-ra (to home)
etxe-an (at home)
etxe-ko sua (the fire from home)
etxe-aren atea (the home's door)
Diferent subject if Intransitive or Transitive sentence.
NI etxera noa (I go home) ----but---- NIK maite zaitut ( I Love you)
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javier
Hi,
Thanks for the answers, to Lady Bmadani and Diaspora, and
sorry for my very bad English. ( In Basque and Spanish I speak better,
I think)
English Basque Ashawith kabyle
-----------------------------------------------------------------
father aita thada vava
brother anaia uma agma
sister arreba ashawith oueltma
dog txakurra aythi atarus/akejun
sheep ardia ulli ikheri
goat akerra atehane
ram aharia iker
eyes begiak itaween alene
hands eskuak iffassen ifassen
mouth ahoa imi akemuch
to do egin ig
to eat jan ech etch
to go joan uggir irouth
I am ni naiz nech nekkini
I've got nik daukat nech aghri ghouri
friend laguna amadukal
I look some similarities :
1. In Basque the sustantives finish with "a", ( it's the article
"the"), in Berber there is a lot of words finished with "a".
2. Some words are similiar, thada (aita=father), iker-ikheri
(aker=goat, iker in some regions), and nech,nek with (ni,nik= me, in
English)
3. The verb is very interesting: Berbers i-g, e-tch, i-routh, u-ggir,
start with i-e-u, in Basque oldest verbs too---> e-gin (to do) ,
e-gon (to be), e-man (to give), e-san (to say), e-torri (to
come), i-gan (to raise), i-zan (to be), i-bili (to walk),
i-kusi (to see), j-akin (to know), j-an (to eat), j-in (to
come, french basques), j-oan (to go), u-kan or e-duki (to
have)... and more. I think this is one of arguments to relate Basque
and Berber.
Vocabulary looks to be some diferent between Kabyle and Ashawith, and
one and other are Berber, if anyway Basque would be related to berber
, this would be about 5000-7000 years ago (the years estimated for
basque in its land, perhaps more), very long time to change.
I continue in other post to bmadani.
us...@sprintpipe.com
>
>Hi,
>
>Thanks for the answers, to Lady Bmadani and Diaspora, and
>sorry for my very bad English. ( In Basque and Spanish I speak better,
>I think)
Hello
There were some mistakes
I tried to correct them
>
>
>English Basque Ashawith kabyle
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>father aita thada vava
>brother anaia uma agma
>sister arreba ashawith oueltma
"oueltma" for both ashawith and kabyle
>dog txakurra aythi atarus/akejun
>sheep ardia ulli ikheri
" ulli" for both ashawith and kabyle
"ikheri" is the male sheep but ulli deisgnate
sheep in general
>goat akerra atehane
In kabyle we say "taghat " and not atehane
also "akerra" sounds like "akheri"
>ram aharia iker
Ikheri in kabyle will do for this one
>eyes begiak itaween alene
>hands eskuak iffassen ifassen
>mouth ahoa imi akemuch
in kabyle we can use both "imi" and "akemuch"
>to do egin ig
in kabyle "egdem" or "ewqem"
>to eat jan ech etch
>to go joan uggir irouth
In Kabyle " irouh"
>I am ni naiz nech nekkini
>I've got nik daukat nech aghri ghouri
Also we can say in Kabyle " nek ghouri"
>friend laguna amadukal
in kabyle "amdakul"
"imdukal" is the plural
>
>
>I look some similarities :
>
>1. In Basque the sustantives finish with "a", ( it's the article
>"the"), in Berber there is a lot of words finished with "a".
>
>2. Some words are similiar, thada (aita=father), iker-ikheri
>(aker=goat, iker in some regions), and nech,nek with (ni,nik= me, in
>English)
very surprisimg indeed
>
>3. The verb is very interesting: Berbers i-g, e-tch, i-routh, u-ggir,
>start with i-e-u, in Basque oldest verbs too---> e-gin (to do) ,
>e-gon (to be), e-man (to give), e-san (to say), e-torri (to
>come), i-gan (to raise), i-zan (to be), i-bili (to walk),
>i-kusi (to see), j-akin (to know), j-an (to eat), j-in (to
>come, french basques), j-oan (to go), u-kan or e-duki (to
>have)... and more. I think this is one of arguments to relate Basque
>and Berber.
>
>
>Vocabulary looks to be some diferent between Kabyle and Ashawith, and
>one and other are Berber, if anyway Basque would be related to berber
>, this would be about 5000-7000 years ago (the years estimated for
>basque in its land, perhaps more), very long time to change.
>
>I continue in other post to bmadani.
thank you for this very illuminating poting
>
>
>
>
>
>
diasp...@my-deja.com
> >goat akerra
> In kabyle we say "taghat "
I forgot to include goat.
The shawi word for goat is AKA3OUZET/IKA3OUZIN.
Baby goat = ighith, not to be confused with "igheth" which means ashes
(ramad). Plural of ighith is ighaythen.
what do you call a baby goat? What is the plural of "taghat"?
Fodil
bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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O.K., Blanca..
I used my imagination:
Ait: Masuculin Aita: Feminin, I concluded that Basque is the same as KABYLE,
but there exists a minute difference in grammar, the Masculin is ALWAYS
feminin in Basque..They are also the same people, the only difference is
that the BASQUES are well known for being expert sheep herders, some
berbers are well known for being expert GOAT herders!..It is also true that
sheep was introduced to Spain by the N. Africans, the berbers..
By the way: ROUH is arabic and not tamazight..
To go = IROUH , this is not berber, if it is how come the saoudis, the
palestinians and the egyptinas use the same word?, maybe there are
similarities between arabic and berber, and I think that there is..
For example: Father= Ab..It does nOT exist in KABYLE, "Vava'="Baba"= MY
father, .
Mother=OUM, same in arabic, Yemma= My mother!, they can't say el-yemmet!!??
Grand-father=Baba sheikh or DJEDDI, same in arabic..
Aunt= Kahla, Amti, the same in arabic
Fish= HUT, the same in arabic
Sea= Bhar, the same in arabic, maybe it is el-Vhar!!???, HEY!
Government= Houkouma, the same in arabic.., or maybe ta-HoukoumaTh
City= el-MDINA, same in arabic, or maybe ta-MdinaTh...
and thousands more words that are 100% arabic words!..I wonder why?
let's imagine, maybe arabic came from Kabyle!, if it is so, than the berbers
were the first arabs on this planet before the newcomers payed them a visit
in 650 A.C..
Fodil
Fodil
Hey Diaspora!..
I told you that Kabyle is ARABIC, very similar..
Eyes= Elain!
Father= Baba(Vava)!!??, and the list goes on..
At least 30% of Kabyle dialect is arabic, a reason why WE used to think that
Kabyles people are ARABS++..
The Kabyles have been speaking Arabo-Berbero for thousands of years, and now
some are claiming to be "tout simplement IMAZIGHEN!!???"..
And for sure that 40% of tashawith is arabic..
Let's see..Translate the following in tashawith..
City, Village, Judge, Government, President, Sea, Fish, Water, Oncle, Father
in Law, Mother in Law, Cousin, Aunt, Grand father....
Snails(Bou-dja3lalou, el-dja3loul), Zaatar, Shih, el-balout..wa ruh biha..
BTW, do you know what is the origin of GUERNINA!?, what about selq!?
Qarnoun?, khershef?!!..
How do you say EARTH in tashwith?, moon!?, star?..Sciences, Litterature?,
History....Yazzinna!.
Theb nzid lek,
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Fodil
<diasp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> us...@sprintpipe.com wrote:
>
> > >goat akerra
>
> > In kabyle we say "taghat "
>
> I forgot to include goat.
>
> The shawi word for goat is AKA3OUZET/IKA3OUZIN.
>
> Baby goat = ighith, not to be confused with "igheth" which means ashes
> (ramad). Plural of ighith is ighaythen.
>
> what do you call a baby goat? What is the plural of "taghat"?
>
Ya Diaspora!, wa el-3ATROUS?, what is its origin?, some say "Jdiy"?!..
In arabic it's MAAZA!...
ihemella mnin djat "MAAZA wa lew tarat?", why not:
Bella ravvi Aka3ouzet meme atferfer fi sma ..!!
I belive that AKA3OUEZ is the right berber word for GOAT, and KBESH is the
RIGHT berber word for shep, because the Kabyles say KEBSH...
Fodil
bmadani
Fodil, the fact that these people use the same word is not an argument
for the word being Arabic and not Tamazight. Not that I'm arguing that
it is Tamazight. As far as I know, it's a Semitic word, possibly older
than Arabic, or possibly from ARabic. The point, however, is that you've
got to look at other arguments to PROVE it must be Arabic.
> For example: Father= Ab..It does nOT exist in KABYLE, "Vava'="Baba"= MY
> father, .
I don't understand this point of yours. There are not many words
internationally for father. In most languages, people say baba or papa.
There aren't too many original words. No one goes around saying abi that
I know of. Middle Easterners say baba. So what's the point here? It
seems that the word for father came from one or two sources and it
worked for most everyone. And that includes the word "father." If you
noticed, in Chaouia it's "thada," and that has a similarity to "father."
We know that "ab" is not originally Arabic, by the way. It was used long
before them, and it also existed in "libyan," the name often used to
speak of Tamazight thousands of years ago.
> Mother=OUM, same in arabic, Yemma= My mother!, they can't say el-yemmet!
> Grand-father=Baba sheikh or DJEDDI, same in arabic..
> Aunt= Kahla, Amti, the same in arabic
> Fish= HUT, the same in arabic
> Sea= Bhar, the same in arabic, maybe it is el-Vhar!!???, HEY!
> Government= Houkouma, the same in arabic.., or maybe ta-HoukoumaTh
> City= el-MDINA, same in arabic, or maybe ta-MdinaTh...
> and thousands more words that are 100% arabic words!..I wonder why?
> let's imagine, maybe arabic came from Kabyle!, if it is so, than the berbers
> were the first arabs on this planet before the newcomers payed them a visit
> in 650 A.C..
> Fodil
Fodil, study Hebrew and some other older Semitic tongues, and you'll see
that the Semitic language and influences in words did not come into
existence necessarily with Arabic.
Fodil
How can you be so bullheaded..
Father= Pere in french, Padre in Spanish, and AB in Arabic.
Papa means daddy in english, baba in arabic..The spanish and the french and
many other use the word Papa when calling THEIR father..Papa does NOT mean
father, it means dady, btw what is the plural for father(Vavas)?..les papas
et les mamas!..come on!
Arabic DID NOT come from HEBREW..
Since Tamazight is ONE of the OLDEST languages in this world, most words
should be derived from it and not vice-versa..If not, ask your Kabyle or
chaoui friends to translate the following in their native language..
Book, Pen, Pencil, Government, Judge, President, Ancestor, Mother(not MAMA,
or my maother), Fathers, Waters, City, State, Country, Continent, Village,
Earth...
Irouh is arabic, AB is arabic and it did NOT come from HEBREW!??, I don't
understand you at all!, the JEWS COPIED it from ARABIC! and taht is a FACT!,
they copied hundreds more weords and they even ADMIT it, HEBREW was never
SPOKEN in North Africa, never!, how did the berbers knew about hebrew! and
when?..Hebrew was dead in the firt century, it was just put together in this
century after the birth os Israel..
Fodil
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>
>
diasp...@my-deja.com
> Ya Diaspora!, wa el-3ATROUS?, what is its origin?, some say "Jdiy"?!..
Ya akh el 3arab, el 3atrous anta3na :) It is from the word a3athrous.
3arab el joumla: inna el jdiy kalimatun 3arabiyantun :)
Aka3ouzet = maaza
Ighith = baby goat
A3athrous = billy goat(tiss)
> In arabic it's MAAZA!...
> ihemella mnin djat "MAAZA wa lew tarat?", why not:
> Bella ravvi Aka3ouzet meme atferfer fi sma ..!!
So you could dig it :). Dig, bouzanzen? :)
Imira affag s'ya(tir mina thorka) :)
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Blanca!,
> How can you be so bullheaded..
>
> Father= Pere in french, Padre in Spanish, and AB in Arabic.
The Spanish converted f into p. If you look at padre, it's father.
That's where you need to understand the linguistical connections and
mutations. It is obvious that the Chaoui word is related. Ab is not
originally Arabic. It is older than Arabic, and it existed with a
different meaning in north Africa thousands of years ago. Ab probably
evolved into the meaning of "father" after people figured out men had
something to do with babies.
> Papa means daddy in english, baba in arabic..The spanish and the french and
> many other use the word Papa when calling THEIR father..>>
Papa is also used in the United States, depending on the region, but
pronounced differently than in Spanish. The Spanish also use it for any
father. Su papá is more commonly used, and also su mamá. Depends if
you're talking about certain Latin American countries, or about Spain.
"Un padre" usually refers to a priest.
Papa does NOT mean
> father, it means dady, btw what is the plural for father(Vavas)?..les papas
> et les mamas!..come on!
Don't be ridiculous. Who knows where daddy came from. It is better to
say that daddy means Papa. There is more than one word, and one is
formal, one is informal, but they both mean the same thing. Unless you
want to distinguish in the emotional sense, where the biological is
father, and the one who is loved is papa. From the American Heritage
Dictionary of the English Language, "papa": "Father, from the Old French
papa. The appendix, explaining this term says "A child's word for
"father," a linguistic universal found in amny languages. Old French
papa, father. Greek pappas, father, and pappos, grandfather." This is
probably closer to the first word someone called the male parent since
it is a word that children often say first or second. Papa or baba,
being labial.
> Arabic DID NOT come from HEBREW..>>
But they came from a common ancestor.
> Since Tamazight is ONE of the OLDEST languages in this world, most words
> should be derived from it and not vice-versa..If not, ask your Kabyle or
> chaoui friends to translate the following in their native language..
>
> Book, Pen, Pencil, Government, Judge, President, Ancestor, Mother(not MAMA,
> or my maother), Fathers, Waters, City, State, Country, Continent, Village,
> Earth...
>
> Irouh is arabic, AB is arabic and it did NOT come from HEBREW!??, I don't
> understand you at all!,>>
I didn't say ab came from Hebrew, though it also exists in that
language, which did come first.
the JEWS COPIED it from ARABIC! and taht is a FACT!,>>
Come on, Fodil, be sensible. How could the Jews have copied it from
Arabic when Arabic didn't exist until thousands of years after Hebrew,
and the word is in stone (literally) in a Libyan (Tamazight related
language) used as part of a person's name, long before Arabic existed,
and thousands of miles away from its origin.
> they copied hundreds more weords and they even ADMIT it, HEBREW was never
> SPOKEN in North Africa, never!, how did the berbers knew about hebrew! and
> when?..Hebrew was dead in the firt century, it was just put together in this
> century after the birth os Israel..>>
Old Hebrew was nothing more than Phoenician written in different
characters. Phoenician was spoken in North Africa.
kar...@banet.net
i 'am not sure about this but i think it was during the era when a rebellion
took place in Jerusalem my guess is it was 70 ad a conflict btw the jews and
the romans army i believe it was under emperor diocletian many of them fled to
north africa formed communities intermarried with a berbers settled and lived
since then..
by the way.
thaghatte = maaza =la chevre
akelwash =3atrouse =le bouc or m- he goat
sidali
Fodil wrote:
> Blanca!,
> How can you be so bullheaded..
>
> Father= Pere in french, Padre in Spanish, and AB in Arabic.
> Papa means daddy in english, baba in arabic..The spanish and the french and
> many other use the word Papa when calling THEIR father..Papa does NOT mean
> father, it means dady, btw what is the plural for father(Vavas)?..les papas
> et les mamas!..come on!
>
> Arabic DID NOT come from HEBREW..
> Since Tamazight is ONE of the OLDEST languages in this world, most words
> should be derived from it and not vice-versa..If not, ask your Kabyle or
> chaoui friends to translate the following in their native language..
>
> Book, Pen, Pencil, Government, Judge, President, Ancestor, Mother(not MAMA,
> or my maother), Fathers, Waters, City, State, Country, Continent, Village,
> Earth...
>
> Irouh is arabic, AB is arabic and it did NOT come from HEBREW!??, I don't
> understand you at all!, the JEWS COPIED it from ARABIC! and taht is a FACT!,
> they copied hundreds more weords and they even ADMIT it, HEBREW was never
> SPOKEN in North Africa, never!, how did the berbers knew about hebrew! and
> when?..Hebrew was dead in the firt century, it was just put together in this
> century after the birth os Israel..
>
diasp...@my-deja.com
"Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hey Diaspora!..
Shalom shlemiel :)
> And for sure that 40% of tashawith is arabic..
Not even close, sawt el 3arab! Sure there is Arabic influence, but 40%
is nonsense.
Haya ndirou fiha test. I am going to list 100 words in Tashawith. Read
them and tell me how many arabic words can you find. Deal, sibawayh?
I will list the words min rassi, as they come. Ok, I will include some
of the words you asked for.
Here we go:
1-Amureth = Land, homeland; 2-Aman= water; 3-aghroum= bread; 4-
ithri=star; 5-yur=moon/month; 6-afukath=sun; 7-adhfel=snow; 8-annawath=
rain; 9-ajru=frog; 10-assa=today; 11-athacha=tomorrow; 12-ithalli=last
night; 13-assannati= yesterday; 14-imira=now; 15-amaju=ear; 16-
thath=finger; 17-thar=foot; 18-fouth=knee; 19-uthem=face; 20-ghil=arm;
21-ighmest=tooth; 22-aglim=skin; 23-amanzuth=fall; 24-anabthu=summer;
25-amazwaru=first; 26-anaggaru=last; 27-izi=fly; 28-ilef=pig;
agazit=chicken; 29-agarziz=rabit; 30-irthen=wheat; 31-imzine=barley; 32-
argaz=man; 33-amatouth=woman; 34-ahyouy; 35-ahyouth; 36-amokran-
big/old; 37-amazian=small; 38-abarkan=black; 39-awragh=yellow; 40-
azeggagh=red; 41-ul=heart; 42-imi=mouth; 43-ikhf=head; 44-ighzar=river;
45-arwal=run away; 46-uzal=steel; 47-err=lion; 48-yiss=horse; 49-
assarthun=mule; 50-afunasset=cow; 51-maghef=why; 52-mani=where; 53-
akhem=house; 54-ingan=stone; 55-laksil=grass; 56-dufath=wool; 57-
zdath=ahead; 58-warna=behind; 59-azalmath=lef; 60-afussi=right; 61-
zadu=under; 62-zang=above; 63-ighass=bone; 64-amanzu=eldest; 65-
amalal=white; 66-amallalet=egg; 67-arkass=shoe; 68-kli=a little; 69-
i3arrem=plenty; 70-aksum=meet; 71-aghartha=mouse; 72-
assakoureth=partrige; 73-azgan=half; 74-oulili=spider; 75-mighaz=snake;
76-Athrar=mountain; 77-ajriss=ice; 78-akhathmi=knife; 79-awal=word; 80-
ichareth=garlic; 81-igg=to do; 82-ech-to eat; 83-ilul=to be born; 84-
assanan=thorn; 85-insi=hedgehog; 86-thiyni/ihaba=dates; 87-agam=to
fetch water; 88-mammiss=son; 89-yallis=daugher; 90-amant=honey; 91-
awid=to get; 92-za'w=hair; 92-athran=to turn; 93-yakkur=hard/tough; 94-
amnay=horsman/rider; 95-amdukal=friend; 96-yachour=full; 97-affag=to
fly; 98-alghem=camel; 99-yarzag=bitter; 100-yizith=sweet.
Thakhseth akarnigh(do you want more)? :)
Read the above and show me your 40% Arabic.
Tir mina ya ilef:)
Fodil
Sbah elkheir or ams elkhier fellawen ;))..(right?)..
Translate the following:
1. Sciences 2. Book 3. Notebook(cahier) 4. Pen 5. History 6. Good morning
7.Fish 8. Shrimp 9. Pigeon 10. Pepper 11.City 12.State 13.Country
14.Continent 15.Sea 16.Ocean 17.Octopus 18.Whale 19.Thank you 20. God 21.
Angel 22.Devil 23.Prophet 24.Idea 25.Opinion 26.Imagination 27.Brain 28.
Mind 29.To Think 30. Theory 31.Practice 32.Trade 33.Commerce 34.Rent
37.Lease 38.Potaotoe 39.Telivision 40.Mirror 41.Watch 42.Time 43.Globe
44.Government 45.President 46.Minister 47.Law 48. Judge 49.Truth 50. Lie
Only 50 words that just popped up in my mind, can you please translate them
in tachawith....do you want more than that?, o.K. Fifty, Twenty, Five
.....TEN...Three One Thousand.......
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Fodil
"GO FISH": translate it in Ta Aq Va y lit!!..or maybe in tawshawith!!
You just write any kind of GARBAGE and ASS U ME that it is true, ARABIC
existed thousands of yeras before the jews set foot in N.Africa..!, the
arabic characters didn't exist then, but ARABIC language was born before
HEBREW, all came from ARABIA and NOT Jersusalem...The Jews just copied
everything from the arabs..AB is Arabic, IBN is arabic, it's in the Quran
and GOD does NOT lie!!?!!, hey!!..
Phoenicians came from ARABIA!!, they invented the alphabet, but their
language was an ancient ARABIC language and NOT hebrew!!, no way, hebrew
came from arabic (most of it) and NOT vice-versa..Hebrew is very limiteed
language compared to arabic, it's like a Kabyle dialect!!. every other word
is an arabic word..
Fodil
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>
Fodil
Fodil <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:...
> O.K.
>
diasp...@my-deja.com
34-ahyouy=boy; 35-ahyouth=girl.
In article <8e2nlc$m9d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Blanca!..
>
> "GO FISH": translate it in Ta Aq Va y lit!!..or maybe in tawshawith!!
>
> You just write any kind of GARBAGE and ASS U ME that it is true, ARABIC
> existed thousands of yeras before the jews set foot in N.Africa..!, the
> arabic characters didn't exist then, but ARABIC language was born before
> HEBREW, all came from ARABIA and NOT Jersusalem...>>
Excuse me, but who is the one who is ASS U MING? There is not an iota of
proof that Arabic existed prior to 200 CE. Hebrew, however, existed for
several thousands of years. Old Hebrew is Phoenician, which existed
since before the Prophet Abraham.
If you think Arabic is so ancient, prove it. And I can tell you that the
meaning of some of its words show a progression from the meaning in
earlier Semitic languages. Arabic is the baby of the Semitic languages.
Baby in being the youngest. It is, however, the most developed.
The Jews just copied
> everything from the arabs..AB is Arabic, IBN is arabic, it's in the Quran
> and GOD does NOT lie!!?!!, hey!!..
Now what are you talking about? God didn't say that Arabic was the
oldest language. Ab is much older than Arabic. It's found in a text from
Thugga, an ancient city of Tunisia. Don't be so stubborn, Fodil. Arabic,
like all languages, took from others. People didn't speak Arabic in
ancient Mesopotamia, and all but the Sumerians are thought to have come
from Arabia.
God says He used Arabic so that people would understand, but that
doesn't mean that every word in the Qur'an originated with Arabic. Once
a language adopts a word, it is part of the language when used by it,
but it is also part of another language if used by that language.
> Phoenicians came from ARABIA!!, they invented the alphabet, but their
> language was an ancient ARABIC language and NOT hebrew!!,>>
Hebrew is Semitic, derived from an ancient language that probably
originated in Arabia, just like Phoenician. But Phoenician did not come
from Arabia. It developed in the Mesopotamian area, and Phoenician
people are thought to be descendants of folks from Yemen and from the
west, somewhere in the Mediterranean region. But this is a theory. And
remember that the Arabic of the Qur'an came from what is today Saudi
Arabia, not from Yemen. They also had Arabic, but a different branch of
it.
no way, hebrew
> came from arabic (most of it) and NOT vice-versa..Hebrew is very limiteed
> language compared to arabic, it's like a Kabyle dialect!!. every other word
> is an arabic word..
Hebrew was limited, yes. It had, if I remember correctly, something like
3000 words only, but that's why it would make more sense that it is the
older language. And Arabic developed further.
You hear a lot of Arabic in Kabyle because you hear the language that is
mixed with the darja, and you also take for granted that everything is
Arabic without realizing that darja has a lot of Tamazight words, and
that some of the so-called Arabic words are probably from ancient Punic,
and not from Arabic.
Fodil
I gave you the history of the ARABS, the yemenites are the TRUE ARABS, most
saoudis are arabized arabs..Your bla..bla..bala does not cut it. Everybody
and his mother in this world does not want to give credit to the arbs for
anything!..
Read this: The craddle of civilization started in ARABIA by the ARABS..
Arabic language is one of the most ancient languages, all other semitic
languages were derived from ARABIC, including armaic(ancient arabic), hebrew
and punic..
O.K. translate "GO FISH" in hebrew and in Tamazight..
If it is from ARABIA, it must have been ARABIC, Yemen has always been the
true ARAB country for over 4000 years..and some yemenites still live the way
they used to 3000 years ago, and they did NOT forget their native
language!!..It is still the same arabic they spoke 3000 years ago..
Punic is very close to arabic language, it just died!, because Modern Arabic
took over....Who developed arabic?, maybe the jews?, or the imazighen!?...GO
FISH, once you translate it then I believe you..Ask your Kabyle friend, he
might know..
Do you know how we say "what time is it?" in Kabyle:
A:"Atch'hal rahi sa3a?", do you know in arabic-derja: "Ash'hal rahi sa3a?"..
Are ready to go FISHING somewhere else?, once you'll find an non-arabic word
for FISH in kabyle dialect than maybe I'm wrong..
Do you know how to say "Good Morning" in Kabyle dialect?, it's the same as
in standard modern arabic!, I wonder why?
You like it or not neither Kbyle not tachawit nor arbic-derja are full
fledged languges..They just cannot be!,
Father->Fatherhood
Mother-Motherhood
Brother->Brotherhood
Translate them into Kabyle or chawia nad then come back with your
blabaring!!..
Since when pAPA means father?, maybe jews from Brooklyn think so!!..
If Papa means father, how comw there is no word such as : PAPAHOOD!??, Papa
is like Mama, it's BABY talk..
Fodil
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>
>
Fodil
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> I forgot the translation of # 34 and # 35.
>
> 34-ahyouy=boy; 35-ahyouth=girl.
>
Ya Diapora ma aandek ma tqaqi wa ma aandek ma at3ou3esh, hadek ma halbet
el-bagra!.. at least THIRTY percent of it is Arabic..
Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
Fodil
Massine
Saha Fodil
Avant tout, hospitalite Amazigh oblige, bienvenue parmi nous!
Enfin tu nous reviens avec zit!
Il parait d'apres les historiens que le zit a vu le jour pour la
premiere fois a Volubilis ( Marakech ? actuellement ) et les copieurs
pheniciens sont alles donner la recettes aux arabes d'orients qui l'ont
ajoute dans leur vocabulaire!
D'ailleurs le mot zit a un autre synonyme en berbere : Amourej! mais
non pas azem qui ne veut rien dire.
Massine.
Fodil
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> | Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
>
> Saha Fodil
>
> Avant tout, hospitalite Amazigh oblige, bienvenue parmi nous!
>
arabe.
C'etait un arabe qui a egorge' son propre cheval pour son invite..tu connais
l'histoire..
>
> Enfin tu nous reviens avec zit!
>
> Il parait d'apres les historiens que le zit a vu le jour pour la
> premiere fois a Volubilis ( Marakech ? actuellement ) et les copieurs
> pheniciens sont alles donner la recettes aux arabes d'orients qui l'ont
> ajoute dans leur vocabulaire!
>
Non, je t'ai donne deja l'histoire des olives, ca a commence quelque part au
sahara..
Zit est arabe: Zitoune-->ZIT.
En arabe: Zit min Zitouna wa el-Hut min el-B'har.
En Kabyle: Zit min Azemmor wa el-Hut min el-V'har.
How come it is the same!!, don't you think that the Kabyles used to be arabs
before they became berbers..Most od Kabyle wors are arabic words..
What about the other fifty words?..
Example: Brain, Mind, Idea, Opinion, Truth, Lie, Theory,
Pratice....translate them in KABYLE..
Fodil
diasp...@my-deja.com
"Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > I forgot the translation of # 34 and # 35.
> >
> > 34-ahyouy=boy; 35-ahyouth=girl.
> O.K..YOU FORGOT FIFTY more!, I wonder why!!,
Attough(forgot)as in I listed the shawi words, but I did not give the
english translation. Dig?
> Ya Diapora ma aandek ma tqaqi wa ma aandek ma at3ou3esh, hadek ma
halbet
> el-bagra!..
T'banlek bark ya akh el 3arab :). You ain't seen nothing yet.
> at least THIRTY percent of it is Arabic..
We are making some progress :). 30% is better than 40%. My answer to
you is: achri tarbeh :). Do you know the expression?
> Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
What oil?, we use edhane :), walla essangu :)
diasp...@my-deja.com
"Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> O.K.
Translation: you didn't find arabic words in my list.
Ast3raf, Tashawith is a very rich lingua :)
> Sbah elkheir or ams elkhier fellawen ;))
Shalom fallek :)
> Translate the following:
> 1. Sciences 2. Book 3. Notebook(cahier) 4. Pen 5. History 6. Good
morning
> 7.Fish 8. Shrimp 9. Pigeon 10. Pepper 11.City 12.State 13.Country
> 14.Continent 15.Sea 16.Ocean 17.Octopus 18.Whale 19.Thank you 20. God
21.
> Angel 22.Devil 23.Prophet 24.Idea 25.Opinion 26.Imagination 27.Brain
28.
> Mind 29.To Think 30. Theory 31.Practice 32.Trade 33.Commerce 34.Rent
> 37.Lease 38.Potaotoe 39.Telivision 40.Mirror 41.Watch 42.Time 43.Globe
> 44.Government 45.President 46.Minister 47.Law 48. Judge 49.Truth 50.
Lie
Tarjamli-not terjemni :)- the following words: Tv, democracy, computer,
parliament, electronics... Just a few words that popped up in my mind:)
Tu dig ou tu dig pas ya wahed salhoub?
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Come on!, stop your Juisism!..
>
> I gave you the history of the ARABS, the yemenites are the TRUE ARABS,>>
Yemeni had Jewish kings and pagan priestesses during the time of the
Prophet. So, we're back to Jews again :))).
Yemeni are true Arabs, yes. However, the Arabic of the Qur'an comes from
the Arabic branch spoken at the time in what is today Saudi Arabia, not
in Yemen. Yemeni were not called Arabs in those days since the name did
not refer to speakers of the language but to a life style (bedouin).
Yemen has been part of history since biblical times. It had an advanced
civilization, unlike (saudi) Arabia.
most
> saoudis are arabized arabs..Your bla..bla..bala does not cut it. Everybody
> and his mother in this world does not want to give credit to the arbs for
> anything!..
Of course we do. The Qur'an and the Arabic language. But why credit the
Arabs for what north Africans have done, no matter what language they
used? The Persians were smart. They kicked Arabic out and henceforth
their civilization was credited in its own name.
> Read this: The craddle of civilization started in ARABIA by the ARABS..>
The cradle of civilization is Mesopotamia and the Mediterranean area.
> Arabic language is one of the most ancient languages, all other semitic
> languages were derived from ARABIC, including armaic(ancient arabic), hebrew
> and punic..
You do like to reinvent history and change the meanings of words, don't
you?
> O.K. translate "GO FISH" in hebrew and in Tamazight..
>
> If it is from ARABIA, it must have been ARABIC, Yemen has always been the
> true ARAB country for over 4000 years..and some yemenites still live the way
> they used to 3000 years ago, and they did NOT forget their native
> language!!..It is still the same arabic they spoke 3000 years ago..
I'm sure the Yemeni would be happy to hear you call theirs the "true"
Arab country. As for 4000 years, forget it.
> Punic is very close to arabic language, it just died!,>>
Not quite that close, but related, and it's the other way around. Arabic
is related to Punic. It evolved into new languages. It didn't die since
its descendants are still around.
> Are ready to go FISHING somewhere else?, once you'll find an non-arabic word
> for FISH in kabyle dialect than maybe I'm wrong..
I don't know what the word for fish is in Kabyle, but it makes little
sense that they would not have had their own word. Much more likely for
them than in Meccan Arabic.
>> You like it or not neither Kbyle not tachawit nor arbic-derja are full
> fledged languges..They just cannot be!,
> Father->Fatherhood
> Mother-Motherhood
> Brother->Brotherhood
>
> Translate them into Kabyle or chawia nad then come back with your
> blabaring!!..
> Since when pAPA means father?, maybe jews from Brooklyn think so!!..
Since when is a language "full-fledged" because it borrows words from
other languages? Then English is not full-fledged; French is not
full-fledged; Spanish is not full-fledged; and guess what? Arabic is not
full-fledged either.
>
> If Papa means father, how comw there is no word such as : PAPAHOOD!??, Papa
> is like Mama, it's BABY talk..
> Fodil
There is no word for "fatherhood" in Spanish either. Your talking
cultural terms. But you do say in English, "can you prove the child's
PATERNITY"? From "pa," short for papa.
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Comment ca hospitalite amazigh??!, tout le monde sait que hospitalite est
> arabe.
Who is "everybody"? Hospitality is not Arab. It exists in all cultures
though shown in different ways. Amazigh are very hospitable, and
hospitality existed in the area long before Arabs showed their face
there. Arabs are hospitable too, but give each ethnicity its due.
Hospitality did not begin with civilization. It has always existed.
bmadani
diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> We are making some progress :). 30% is better than 40%. My answer to
> you is: achri tarbeh :). Do you know the expression?
>
> > Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
>
> What oil?, we use edhane :), walla essangu :)
>
> --
> diaspora.
Interesting. Another word for ethylene is ethene. These have to be
related.
bmadani
diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > O.K.
>
> Translation: you didn't find arabic words in my list.
>
> Ast3raf, Tashawith is a very rich lingua :)
>
> > Sbah elkheir or ams elkhier fellawen ;))
>
> Shalom fallek :)
>
> > Translate the following:
>
> > 1. Sciences 2. Book 3. Notebook(cahier) 4. Pen 5. History 6. Good
> morning
> > 7.Fish 8. Shrimp 9. Pigeon 10. Pepper 11.City 12.State 13.Country
> > 14.Continent 15.Sea 16.Ocean 17.Octopus 18.Whale 19.Thank you 20. God
> 21.
> > Angel 22.Devil 23.Prophet 24.Idea 25.Opinion 26.Imagination 27.Brain
> 28.
> > Mind 29.To Think 30. Theory 31.Practice 32.Trade 33.Commerce 34.Rent
> > 37.Lease 38.Potaotoe 39.Telivision 40.Mirror 41.Watch 42.Time 43.Globe
> > 44.Government 45.President 46.Minister 47.Law 48. Judge 49.Truth 50.
> Lie
>
> Tarjamli-not terjemni :)- the following words: Tv, democracy, computer,
> parliament, electronics... Just a few words that popped up in my mind:)
> Tu dig ou tu dig pas ya wahed salhoub?
Touche!
The purists tried to come up with proper Arabic words for the above and
some other common modern words but they were phrases so long that no one
would use them.
diasp...@my-deja.com
bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > We are making some progress :). 30% is better than 40%. My answer to
> > you is: achri tarbeh :). Do you know the expression?
> >
> > > Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
> >
> > What oil?, we use edhane :), walla essangu :)
> Interesting. Another word for ethylene is ethene. These have to be
> related.
Esplain yourself, scholar thing.
I was just shooting the breeze with fox. Edhane is a type of butter.
Congrats on the new arrival. May Allah bless her!
bmadani
diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > > We are making some progress :). 30% is better than 40%. My answer to
> > > you is: achri tarbeh :). Do you know the expression?
> > >
> > > > Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
> > >
> > > What oil?, we use edhane :), walla essangu :)
>
> > Interesting. Another word for ethylene is ethene. These have to be
> > related.
>
> Esplain yourself, scholar thing.
>
> I was just shooting the breeze with fox. Edhane is a type of butter.
Ethylene, ethene, as you know is gas. We didn't know about gas thousands
of years ago. Oil, regular cooking oil, can be used to light things, to
cook with, etc., just like gas, and the word is relatively new, borrowed
from the past. Supposingly from Greek, but the Greeks get the credit for
a lot of things that was not theirs, and it is possible the Greeks got
it from the Amazigh. It doesn't really matter if edhane is a type of
butter since butter and oil are used in the same way in cooking. I think
there's a relationship, and "ethene" is similar to "edhane" in its
structure. I'm not sure how you pronounce the "dh" for this word, but
"th" and "dh" are differences seen in similar words in different
languages.
>
> Congrats on the new arrival. May Allah bless her!
Thank you.
Fodil
Blanca!,
There was neve a yemeni jewish king, they were arbs and queen Siba wan a
yemenite arab..People in today's sauodia are nothern arabs, they became
arabs after some yemenite migrated from the mountainous area toward the
plains and the sea..(like Bahrain, and the arabian golf)..You are just a
sick puppy..The North Africans did not do anything, except WAR, and that is
a fact..Without the arabs they'll still be fighting each others like they
have been doing for the past 3000 years..
I gave you fifty words, go ask your friend to translate them..PAPA is NOT a
word, it's BABY TALK, like Mama..Who the F** do you think Algerians are?, a
bunch of idiots an morons that need a jew to FOOL them!!?..
Everything else you have been blabering is just garbage towards the ARABS.
Who followed whom?, you speak of the iranians!!, who are their Immams?!..
Without the ARABS, the Muslim world will remain JAHILI, and some of them are
going back to the Jahilia!!....
As him to translate also:
To read, to write, thinking, imagination, invention...
I wonder why they still use arabic words...
Fodil
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>
> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > I forgot the translation of # 34 and # 35.
> > >
> > > 34-ahyouy=boy; 35-ahyouth=girl.
>
> > O.K..YOU FORGOT FIFTY more!, I wonder why!!,
>
> Attough(forgot)as in I listed the shawi words, but I did not give the
> english translation. Dig?
>
for you and the el-QBAYEL:)) to translate in eitheir tashawith or ta aq
Vaylith..wa qila ma aandhoumsh!..Hadek ma halbet!
>
>
> > Ya Diapora ma aandek ma tqaqi wa ma aandek ma at3ou3esh, hadek ma
> halbet
> > el-bagra!..
>
> T'banlek bark ya akh el 3arab :). You ain't seen nothing yet.
>
yahshiha le zerdi..
>
> > at least THIRTY percent of it is Arabic..
>
> We are making some progress :). 30% is better than 40%. My answer to
> you is: achri tarbeh :). Do you know the expression?
>
> > Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
>
> What oil?, we use edhane :), walla essangu :)
>
There is eddhane=sman, the same thing, not to confuse with ZEBDA!, the
difference is in the salt..
ssangu is SANS GOUT, that is the origin, we call it ZIT Sans gout(Sangou),
and Zit el-Qbayel(zaama ndour bihum shi3a)..Houma igoulou zit tamurth!!..
Fodil
Fodil
>
>
> diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > > > you is: achri tarbeh :). Do you know the expression?
> > > >
> > > > > Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
> > > >
> > > > What oil?, we use edhane :), walla essangu :)
> >
> > > related.
> >
> > Esplain yourself, scholar thing.
> >
> > I was just shooting the breeze with fox. Edhane is a type of butter.
>
> Ethylene, ethene, as you know is gas. We didn't know about gas thousands
> of years ago. Oil, regular cooking oil, can be used to light things, to
> cook with, etc., just like gas, and the word is relatively new, borrowed
HEY!, eddhane is ARABIC word..Yadhnu b' edhane, it's just salted butter, an
other name of it is S"MAN!..GO FISH!..
NAFT is arabic, this word existed thousands of years before the oil
explotation, the arabs did discover NAFT (OIL)..GO take a hike..
Ed'han "H" as in HAM, d'HAN....Go take a hike for at least 40 miles and come
back to your senses..D'han can also mean GREASE in arabic and not "Sh'ham!",
maybe "Pommade"..
Fodil
Fodil
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>
>
> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > O.K.
>
> Translation: you didn't find arabic words in my list.
>
> Ast3raf, Tashawith is a very rich lingua :)
>
> > Sbah elkheir or ams elkhier fellawen ;))
>
> Shalom fallek :)
>
> > Translate the following:
>
> > 1. Sciences 2. Book 3. Notebook(cahier) 4. Pen 5. History 6. Good
> morning
> > 7.Fish 8. Shrimp 9. Pigeon 10. Pepper 11.City 12.State 13.Country
> > 14.Continent 15.Sea 16.Ocean 17.Octopus 18.Whale 19.Thank you 20. God
> 21.
> > Angel 22.Devil 23.Prophet 24.Idea 25.Opinion 26.Imagination 27.Brain
> 28.
> > Mind 29.To Think 30. Theory 31.Practice 32.Trade 33.Commerce 34.Rent
> > 37.Lease 38.Potaotoe 39.Telivision 40.Mirror 41.Watch 42.Time 43.Globe
> > 44.Government 45.President 46.Minister 47.Law 48. Judge 49.Truth 50.
> Lie
>
>
> Tarjamli-not terjemni :)- the following words: Tv, democracy, computer,
> parliament, electronics... Just a few words that popped up in my mind:)
> Tu dig ou tu dig pas ya wahed salhoub?
>
>
yahadru el-3arbia wa iqoulouNa tamazight..
S'bah elkheir Fellawen!, issamhiyi ashu el-hadra wagui!?, c'est tro simple!
come bonjor..
TV= Shasha, Democracy=Dimoqratia..Computer=el-3aql el-elictroni,
parliament=el-jma3a, electronics=TRICITY elli ma fihash bezzaf el-courra.
Fodil
Get out out!, are you saying that jews are hospitable too!?
Bedouin arabs are well known for their HOSPITAILTY!, the PROVERBE: "It's an
ARAB Hospitaility!", YA!, arabs are well know for el-KARAMA!, ask them what
is the word of HOSPITALITY in tamazigh or in KABYLE!?
Thw KABYLES became ARAB-made, they took ove the ARABIAN culture!, and taht
is a fact!..Do you want to see the proof again!?, there is NO such a thing
as an amazigh hospitality!??!, it never existed..
diasp...@my-deja.com
"Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> <diasp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8e512o$12$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote
> > Tarjamli-not terjemni :)- the following words: Tv, democracy,
computer,
> > parliament, electronics... Just a few words that popped up in my
mind:)
> > Tu dig ou tu dig pas ya wahed salhoub?
> Assmhiyi (be elqbaylia), sdhouf kifash el-qbayel ihabbu idjibou bina
elwaqt,
> yahadru el-3arbia wa iqoulouNa tamazight..
> S'bah elkheir Fellawen!, issamhiyi ashu el-hadra wagui!?, c'est tro
simple!
> come bonjor..
> TV= Shasha
Shasha what? shashatu el tilivizioun. Archam!
> Democracy=Dimoqratia
Min ayna laka hadha? :). Archam!
>Computer=el-3aql el-elictroni
Tawila hadhi :). Archam!
> parliament=el-jma3a,
T'banlek bark. Archam!
> electronics=TRICITY elli ma fihash bezzaf el-courra.
I'am loling :) Hadhi m'raba! Aracham!
Let me see, 5 rachmet, I win :)
Kartaftek ya ilef(hallouf). You think of yourself as an ak3ab(fox)
Well, diaspora is an USHANE(dhib):). Ayyak min dhiab el Aures :)
Layla tov, Ka3boun, 3ala wazni kahbun :)
diasp...@my-deja.com
> I just REMINDED in case you FORGOT the fifty words that I've been
waiting
> for you
Nech war3ath tastanigh thi translation n'awalen akouchigh, still
waiting for the translation of the words I gave you.
> Ahkiha el-bebit!, am aamen tohto, antouma dhyaba wa FOX ZERDI!!,
jamais dhib
> yahshiha le zerdi..
Ouchen(dhyaba) n'Aures fort 3alik bezzef ya el fox :)
> > > at least THIRTY percent of it is Arabic..
> >
> > We are making some progress :). 30% is better than 40%. My answer to
> > you is: achri tarbeh :). Do you know the expression?
> >
> > > Btw, what about OIL?, is it ZIT or AZEM (from Azemmour)!!
> >
> > What oil?, we use edhane :), walla essangu :)
> There is eddhane=sman, the same thing, not to confuse with ZEBDA!, the
> difference is in the salt..
A spoon of eddhane will cure most ills :) M'lih hata li kouha :)
U matansache azrir b'eddhane, yum yum. Are you familiar with azrir?
> ssangu is SANS GOUT, that is the origin, we call it ZIT Sans gout
(Sangou)
I know, I was just testing you. I am impressed foxy dude :)
Massine
est
| arabe.
Bien sur que les arabes ETAIENT hospitaliers comme les imazighen, mais
les imazighen sont toujours hospitaliers! D'ailleurs Ibn Kheldoun ne
jure que sur l'hospitalite des imazighen.
En plus, moi avant de m'adresser a toi j'ai commence pas "sahit" par
contre toi non!
| C'etait un arabe qui a egorge' son propre cheval pour son invite..tu
connais
| l'histoire..
Non, par contre je suis contre l'egorgement des chevaux qui sont la
meilleure conquete de l'homme.
| Non, je t'ai donne deja l'histoire des olives, ca a commence quelque
part au
| sahara..
Mais l'olivier c'est un arbre typiquement mediterraneen, le premier a
l'avoir ramene de l'Italie ( Rome ) etait bien Massinissa, tout le
monde connait l'histoire.
Au fait que vient faire un olivier dans une region aride comme le
sahara?
| Example: Brain, Mind, Idea, Opinion, Truth, Lie, Theory,
| Pratice....translate them in KABYLE..
Brain : Alagh
Mind :annefs
Opinion : Annadh
Truth : Thidhet
Lie : Asnouder
poisson : Aslem
Voila Fodil.
Comme je te connais, je sais que tu vas me demander la traduction des
mots suivants :
Chef : Aghella
peuple : agdhoudh
Revolution : thagrawla
chateau : thighremt
chercheur : anagmay
fonctionnaire : anawur
geometre : amenzag
gestion : asefrek
Une fois je parlais avec un arabe du Liban a qui j'ai dit que je suis
algerien, au fil de la discussion, il m'a declare ceci : Le maghreb a
enrichi la langue arabe de plus d'une centaine de mots, et aussi que le
mot mer ( bahr ) en arabe a plus d'une trentaine de synonymes ce qui
prouve qu'au contact avec d'autre civilisation prestigieuse, telle que
Thamazight, l'arabe s'est considerablement enrichi. Go ask them!
P.S. Qaqi est un mot typiquement amazigh.
Massine.
Fodil
> | Comment ca hospitalite amazigh??!, tout le monde sait que hospitalite
> est
> | arabe.
>
> Bien sur que les arabes ETAIENT hospitaliers comme les imazighen, mais
> les imazighen sont toujours hospitaliers! D'ailleurs Ibn Kheldoun ne
> jure que sur l'hospitalite des imazighen.
> En plus, moi avant de m'adresser a toi j'ai commence pas "sahit" par
> contre toi non!
>
s'ha les zamazighen hadu telfou lna el-3afsa wa el-3zima..3al kuli hal "Sbah
el-kheir Fellak!"..
>
> | C'etait un arabe qui a egorge' son propre cheval pour son invite..tu
> connais
> | l'histoire..
>
> Non, par contre je suis contre l'egorgement des chevaux qui sont la
> meilleure conquete de l'homme.
>
Ils ne t'ont pas raconte' l'histoire!!, come on!..Le cheval est tres
respectuex est "A3ziz" chez les arabes, mais la legende dit que l'arabe a
due egorge son propre et son seul cheval pour donner a manger a son invite',
il n'avait rien d'autre a lui offrir..
> | Non, je t'ai donne deja l'histoire des olives, ca a commence quelque
> part au
> | sahara..
>
> Mais l'olivier c'est un arbre typiquement mediterraneen, le premier a
> l'avoir ramene de l'Italie ( Rome ) etait bien Massinissa, tout le
> monde connait l'histoire.
> Au fait que vient faire un olivier dans une region aride comme le
> sahara?
>
Je vais te donner une autre fois l'histoire de l'olivier, le sahara n'etait
pas aride..
> | Example: Brain, Mind, Idea, Opinion, Truth, Lie, Theory,
> | Pratice....translate them in KABYLE..
>
> Brain : Alagh, what about Mokh?
> Mind :annefs , what about l'3qal?!, if mind means annfs which an arabic
word, than tranlate SPIRIT or soul?
> Opinion : Annadh, in what language??!, skhun nadh??!
> Truth : Thidhet, in what language?, in Kabyle: el-HAQ.
> Lie : Asnouder, el-FISTI!?, aya! noudh!..
> poisson : Aslem??, matchi aslem!?, el-BONIT! maqli!, what do you think
I'm, I'm not el-BLANKITA!!what does HUT mean?
Nobody in Algeria says "rani rayeh neshri zoudj taa el-kilo taa aslem!!!??"
> Voila Fodil.
>
>
> P.S. Qaqi est un mot typiquement amazigh.
>
QAQI is not Amazigh!, maybe Kabyle...3ou3esh is Kabyle, ma aandek ma
t3ou3esh ki el-faroudj!(serdouk)..The Kabyle call the hen(female chicken)
FAROUDJA!, h'na ma aandnesh serdouka!..Is SERDOUK amazigh?, in arabic it's
DEEK!
O.K. Translate the following:
Life, Death, Kill, Povrety, Wealth, rich, FATHER, MOTHER..
To greet, to think, to imagine, to fabricate, to create, to walk, to sing,
music..
Sociology, TIKHARBHEEN is KABYLE!
Asta3ref belli el-Qbaylia matchi complet!, el-qbaylia tmut be shar bella
el-3arbia!!..
Ya Massine!, ma tgounini wa ma ngouninek!, el-qbayel yahdru ARABO_BERBER,
Kabyle is a dialect composed of some berber and/or WOUO(Words Of Unknown
Origin) and mainly ARABIC, il faut reconnaitre!!..
Fodil
>
>
> Massine.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Fodil
Diaspora!,
I did not give hard words to translate, very simple ones..
TV is the same in arabic, Parliamenent is BARLAMAN!...These are new words
that were introduced by the anglo-saxons..
Words like LIFE, death, Mother and Father, FAMILY..
What is the Kabyle/Chaoui word for FAMILY!...
What is the word for HOSPITALITY!
Fodil
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> Layla tov, Ka3boun, 3ala wazni kahbun :)
Abbas
Telle que je l'ai vecue, l'hospitalite de certains gens
qui vivent isoles dans la nature depasse de loin toute
autre forme d'hospitalite, et elle peut etre comparee a
celle des inouites (esquimaux) ou des himalayens-
L'amour pour son prochain sans distinction aucune est un devoir
impose` par les hotes et il est pousse` jusqu'aux relations humaines
les plus ouvertes et aussi les plus imtimes -
L'hopitalite chez certains groupements d'humains est naturelle .
Elle reste avant tout le rendez-vous de l'humanite et de la tendresse
qui ENGENDRENT de belles histoires d'amour-
-------------
Massine wrote:
>
> | Comment ca hospitalite amazigh??!, tout le monde sait que hospitalite
> est
> | arabe.
>
> Bien sur que les arabes ETAIENT hospitaliers comme les imazighen, mais
> les imazighen sont toujours hospitaliers! D'ailleurs Ibn Kheldoun ne
> jure que sur l'hospitalite des imazighen.
> En plus, moi avant de m'adresser a toi j'ai commence pas "sahit" par
> contre toi non!
>
> | C'etait un arabe qui a egorge' son propre cheval pour son invite..tu
> connais
> | l'histoire..
>
> Non, par contre je suis contre l'egorgement des chevaux qui sont la
> meilleure conquete de l'homme.
>
> | Non, je t'ai donne deja l'histoire des olives, ca a commence quelque
> part au
> | sahara..
>
> Mais l'olivier c'est un arbre typiquement mediterraneen, le premier a
> l'avoir ramene de l'Italie ( Rome ) etait bien Massinissa, tout le
> monde connait l'histoire.
> Au fait que vient faire un olivier dans une region aride comme le
> sahara?
>
> | Example: Brain, Mind, Idea, Opinion, Truth, Lie, Theory,
> | Pratice....translate them in KABYLE..
>
> Brain : Alagh
> Mind :annefs
> Opinion : Annadh
> Truth : Thidhet
> Lie : Asnouder
> poisson : Aslem
> Voila Fodil.
>
> Comme je te connais, je sais que tu vas me demander la traduction des
> mots suivants :
>
> Chef : Aghella
> peuple : agdhoudh
> Revolution : thagrawla
> chateau : thighremt
> chercheur : anagmay
> fonctionnaire : anawur
> geometre : amenzag
> gestion : asefrek
>
> Une fois je parlais avec un arabe du Liban a qui j'ai dit que je suis
> algerien, au fil de la discussion, il m'a declare ceci : Le maghreb a
> enrichi la langue arabe de plus d'une centaine de mots, et aussi que le
> mot mer ( bahr ) en arabe a plus d'une trentaine de synonymes ce qui
> prouve qu'au contact avec d'autre civilisation prestigieuse, telle que
> Thamazight, l'arabe s'est considerablement enrichi. Go ask them!
>
> P.S. Qaqi est un mot typiquement amazigh.
>
> Massine.
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>
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>>
>>
>> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > O.K.
>>
>> Translation: you didn't find arabic words in my list.
>>
>> Ast3raf, Tashawith is a very rich lingua :)
>>
>> > Sbah elkheir or ams elkhier fellawen ;))
>>
>> Shalom fallek :)
>>
>> > Translate the following:
>>
>> > 1. Sciences 2. Book 3. Notebook(cahier) 4. Pen 5. History 6. Good
>> morning
>> > 7.Fish 8. Shrimp 9. Pigeon 10. Pepper 11.City 12.State 13.Country
>> > 14.Continent 15.Sea 16.Ocean 17.Octopus 18.Whale 19.Thank you 20. God
>> 21.
>> > Angel 22.Devil 23.Prophet 24.Idea 25.Opinion 26.Imagination 27.Brain
>> 28.
>> > Mind 29.To Think 30. Theory 31.Practice 32.Trade 33.Commerce 34.Rent
>> > 37.Lease 38.Potaotoe 39.Telivision 40.Mirror 41.Watch 42.Time 43.Globe
>> > 44.Government 45.President 46.Minister 47.Law 48. Judge 49.Truth 50.
>> Lie
>>
>>
>> Tarjamli-not terjemni :)- the following words: Tv, democracy, computer,
>> parliament, electronics... Just a few words that popped up in my mind:)
>> Tu dig ou tu dig pas ya wahed salhoub?
>>
>>
>Assmhiyi (be elqbaylia), sdhouf kifash el-qbayel ihabbu idjibou bina elwaqt,
>yahadru el-3arbia wa iqoulouNa tamazight..
Azul akw
En kabyle on ne dit pas "assmhiyi" , c'est de l'arabe cela, plutot on
dit 'surfiyi".
Fodil has no idea about tamazight 101.
For the list you gave it is too long so I will sample it
and you will see that it is arabic or french free. There are many
new books in tamazight that have covered technologies and
modern words.
1-Sciences = tussna
2-Book = adliss
3-notebook = alug
--
6 good morning = ass ameggaz
.....
12-nation= awanek
14-continent=amenzaw
...
25 opinion = turda
26 imagination=asugnan
---
30 Theory = tigri
34 rent =kru
--
39 television= tilizri
40 miroir = lemri
---
47 law=asaduf
and so on
Modern tamazight is complete and includes even atomic physics..
to name just that area.
ad nughal
>
>S'bah elkheir Fellawen!, issamhiyi ashu el-hadra wagui!?, c'est tro simple!
>come bonjor..
>
>TV= Shasha, Democracy=Dimoqratia..Computer=el-3aql el-elictroni,
>parliament=el-jma3a, electronics=TRICITY elli ma fihash bezzaf el-courra.
>
>Fodil
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Blanca!,
>
> There was neve a yemeni jewish king, they were arbs and queen Siba wan a
> yemenite arab..>>
There were Jewish kingdoms in Yemen, Fodil. Ask the Yemeni. They still
"remember," and apparently from what they say, the Jewish kings weren't
too kind to their non-Jewish subjects.
People in today's sauodia are nothern arabs, they became
> arabs after some yemenite migrated from the mountainous area toward the
> plains and the sea..(like Bahrain, and the arabian golf)..>>
Fodil, why don't you write a book and call it Fodil's Remaking of
Ancient History?
You are just a
> sick puppy..The North Africans did not do anything, except WAR, and that is
> a fact..Without the arabs they'll still be fighting each others like they
> have been doing for the past 3000 years..
What exactly do you call what's been happening the last 8 years? Hugging
each other to death?
> I gave you fifty words, go ask your friend to translate them..PAPA is NOT a
> word, it's BABY TALK, like Mama..Who the F** do you think Algerians are?, a
> bunch of idiots an morons that need a jew to FOOL them!!?..
Not unless you're the Jew.
> Everything else you have been blabering is just garbage towards the ARABS.
I have not said any garbage about the Arabs.
> Who followed whom?, you speak of the iranians!!, who are their Immams?!..
> Without the ARABS, the Muslim world will remain JAHILI, and some of them are
> going back to the Jahilia!!....
Without the Qur'an, without God. The Arabs aren't necessary. Only one
Arab was important, and that was the Prophet, and he had to fight Arabs
for Islam to spread. And the best spreaders of Islam were not Arabs, but
the indigenous people of the areas where the Message was heard. In North
Africa, it was the Amazigh themselves who really spread Islam.
> As him to translate also:
>
> To read, to write, thinking, imagination, invention...
>
> I wonder why they still use arabic words...
>
> Fodil
Are you sure they do?
bmadani
A language is a dialect with an army behind it.
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Get out out!, are you saying that jews are hospitable too!?
I suppose. Come to think of it, I've never had the opportunity to find
out.
> Bedouin arabs are well known for their HOSPITAILTY!, >>
I know that.
the PROVERBE: "It's an
> ARAB Hospitaility!", YA!, arabs are well know for el-KARAMA!, ask them what
> is the word of HOSPITALITY in tamazigh or in KABYLE!?
Just because Arabs are well-known for their hospitality does not mean
that they invented it. Don't be absurd. Cultures do not change that
drastically, Fodil. Cultures are the hardest things to change. Cultural
habits live on what seems forever, but they take new names to fit the
new era, and sometimes new explanations. But they are still the same old
practices. The Amazigh are also very, very hospitable. If you want to
make Arabs look good, there is no reason to knock down the Amazigh to do
it. In fact, knocking down one group to make the other look good just
says that you're trying to hide the truth, and there's a weakness you're
trying to cover up. Fact: Arabs are hospitable. Fact: Amazigh are
hospitable. One did not learn from the other. They both are and it came
separately.
> Thw KABYLES became ARAB-made, they took ove the ARABIAN culture!, and taht
> is a fact!..Do you want to see the proof again!?, there is NO such a thing
> as an amazigh hospitality!??!, it never existed..
All you do is put down the Amazigh, Fodil. And as long as you do, you
are in the wrong.
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Diaspora!,
>
> I did not give hard words to translate, very simple ones..
>
> TV is the same in arabic, Parliamenent is BARLAMAN!...These are new words
> that were introduced by the anglo-saxons..
You miss the point, Fodil. Just like Arabic had to add foreign words to
keep up with modern times today, it could have done so in the past as
well when new concepts or things not part of their lifestyle came up.
And all languages borrow. If Arabic has to borrow today, it borrowed in
the past. And you were laughing at Tamazight because it had borrowed
words, and thus to you, it was not a language. So the same rule has to
be applied to Arabic.
> Words like LIFE, death, Mother and Father, FAMILY..
>
> What is the Kabyle/Chaoui word for FAMILY!...
> What is the word for HOSPITALITY!
> Fodil
I think one needs to go further in time, and find out what these words
were in the ancient languages. We'll find that Arabic got it from them.
After all, Arabic even got Allah, the most important word in the Qur'an,
from more ancient languages.
us...@sprintpipe.com
us...@sprintpipe.com
Pcsvcla
Have you gonna FISHING lately, you should, it will do you good!..
I never put down the Amazigh, never!...
It is a FACT that the berbers(are they Imazighen) took after the ARABS (they
were CLONED)..Ask any berber-speaker, what is the word of HOSPITALITY in their
native language!?, ask them for the word FAMILY, for the word GOOD..
IBN Khaldun himself said that they were like their ancesters the Yemenites, and
for sure he was speaking about the arabophones..I've told you that today's
KABYLES took after YESTERDAY's ARABS, they loved their culture so much that
they named their sons (MOHAMED-ARAB), nobody had done this..I putting them
up!..The word AMAZIGH was never part of the Algerian/Maghrebin vocabulary, Ibn
Khaldun did NOT call the N.AFricans Imazighen, but BERBERS..So who are the
Imazighen?, maybe today's Kabyles (les Miss tamurt), some of them are claiming
so, who nominated them?, and how can they claim so?, is it ETHNICALLY or
Linguistically?, do they LOOK like the Imazighen?, do they speak like the
Imazighen?..Did the Imazighen speak 30% ARABIC also..
Fodil
bmadani
>
> Hey!, Blanca!..
>
> Have you gonna FISHING lately, you should, it will do you good!..
Hey, Fodil,
I'm a terrible fisherman. I fish people instead of fish. I'm quite
dangerous. Don't want to be near me when I'm holding a line with a hook.
>
> I never put down the Amazigh, never!...
All the time, my dear
> It is a FACT that the berbers(are they Imazighen) took after the ARABS (they
> were CLONED)..Ask any berber-speaker, what is the word of HOSPITALITY in their
> native language!?, ask them for the word FAMILY, for the word GOOD..
I'm sure there's some Tamazight words for them. You might not have heard
them. Or if you did, you took for granted it must be Arabic, like
everything else.
> IBN Khaldun himself said that they were like their ancesters the Yemenites, and
> for sure he was speaking about the arabophones..I've told you that today's
> KABYLES took after YESTERDAY's ARABS, they loved their culture so much that
> they named their sons (MOHAMED-ARAB),>
That has to do with Islam, not with Arabs. Why wouldn't they want to
name their sons after the Prophet.
nobody had done this..I putting them
> up!..The word AMAZIGH was never part of the Algerian/Maghrebin vocabulary,>>
But it was. For thousands of years.
Ibn
> Khaldun did NOT call the N.AFricans Imazighen, but BERBERS..>>
He wrote in Arabic, and the Arabs just imitated what others had called
them instead of using what they called themselves.
People have a right to define themselves. They do not have to accept
someone else identifying them.
So who are the
> Imazighen?, maybe today's Kabyles (les Miss tamurt), some of them are claiming
> so, who nominated them?,>>
No. Kabyles are only one group of Imazighen. They are not the only
Imazighen.
and how can they claim so?, is it ETHNICALLY or
> Linguistically?, do they LOOK like the Imazighen?,>>
Looks, looks, looks.
do they speak like the
> Imazighen?..Did the Imazighen speak 30% ARABIC also..
>
> Fodil
Perhaps Arabic has some Tamazight in it :)
Pcsvcla
I'm NOT saying that SOME Kabyles should not call themselves Imazighen!, they
can call themselves sidi rebbi if they wish..But ALGERIANS have NOTHING to do
with these ZAMAZIGHEN!??, if so, what do they have in common with this
TZENZIGH, the YELLOW-green-BLUE flag wa ma shubiha dhalika..
It is True that most N.Africans are NOT 100% Arabians blood-wise, and it is
also true that they are NOT 100% Imazighen!!, they are N.AFricans!..3000 yeras
ago OTHER people existed that had nothing in common with today's N.AFricans,
maybe they had a common language!, if so which one!??, it is true that the only
two components common amongst all the Maghrebin are: 1. Islam 2. the Maghrebin
ARABIC..Now some Kabyles studied books(qraw ktebet) and they created a language
and even a new RACE!, and we are waiting for them to put it into PRACTICE!,
MABROOK a3lihoum wa Allah izid lhoum!, (btw even MABROOK is also a KABYLE
word)..
Fodil
azo charif
parlers de chaouia par exemple le g de celui de diaspora est remplace par
le y dans le mien je dis aryaz pour homme il dirait argaz.... pour le
chien je dis 'agherzoul' et pour le cheval 'ajador' mais diaspora dirait
respectivement aythi et iss..
en general je peux tenir une conversation avec un kabyle sans probleme ou
je parle chaoui et lui parle en kabyle une fois on est tous les deux
conscient des regles de substitution phonetiques par exemple que le ch
et h de chaoui est respectivement le k et le th de kabyle(ie:'nehni' en
chaoui est 'nethni' en kabyle)..
si on parle couramment un parler berbere on pourrait en comprendre
automatiquement un autre apres y avoir expose pendant courte periode et ce
durant decouvert ses particularites phonetiques..quant a la syntaxe elle
est unique a tous les parlers berberes....
en ce qui concerne la variation lexicale je trouve cela vraiment un atout de
tamazight car elle aboutit a l' enrichissement de son vocabulaire...
azo
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> Thanks for confirming what kabyle
> and chaouia are the same language.
> All the words you listed are exactly the same we use
> in kabyle although the phonetic for
> "i am " is different .
> In Aures they say "nech" and in Kabylie "nek"
> this can be seen with other languages.
> Now that's what we call TAMAZIGHT
>
>
>
> diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> >> javier <jma...@mixmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Hi, does anybody speak berber here?
> >
> >> Si :)
> >
> >> I am sorry to disappoint you, but I don't see any connection between
> >> Basque and Berber. Here is the shawi(Ashawith)translation of your
> >words:
> >
> >> > >Aita (father)
> >
> >> Thada
> >
> >> > > Anaia (brother)
> >
> >> Uma
> >
> >> > > Txakurra (dog),
> >
> >> Aythi; Aythith=f dog; agzine = puppy.
> >
> >> > >ardia (sheep),
> >
> >> Sheep in general= ulli; ikhsi=f sheep; iker= ram; izmer = lamb.
> >
> >> > > begiak (eyes),
> >
> >> Itaween
> >
> >> > >eskuak (hands),
> >
> >> iffassen
> >
> >> > >(mouth),
> >
> >> imi
> >
> >> > > egin ( to do),
> >
> >> ig
> >
> >> > >jan ( to eat),
> >
> >> Ech
> >
> >> > > joan ( to go),
> >
> >> uggir
> >
> >> > >ni naiz (I am),
> >
> >> Nech
> >
> >> > >nik daukat (I've got)
> >
> >> Nech aghri.
> >
> >> Adios amadukal(amigo)!
> >
> >
> >I forget the word sister.
> >
> >Arreba(sister) = Waltma
Fodil
Anta bayen a3lik ness m'leh, kima n'qolou min tawa3na..
Moi, je reconnais que les Kabyles-Activists ont cree une langue. Mais les
KABYLES, el-QBAYEL tawa3na n'ont aucune idee de ce que tu viens decrire..
Book in kabyle is KTEB
O.K., translate the following b'el-QBAYLIA mashi b'Tamazight elli khalqouha
el-qbayel:
MIND over Matter
Imagination is better than knowledge..
This is the KABYLE I know and I've herad..
L'3aqel foug la Matiere!
Attakmem yalha 3ala el-fhama!!..
Makash minha hadi book means adliss!??, If I say to 3ami Slimane "wa haq
rebbi nrouho nadhrub talla 3ala adliss!", he'll understand that I want to go
visit DELLYS!..
Adliss came from CULTURE!..
CULTURE is Thaqafa in 3ami Sliman'e language..
Knowledge is el-Fhama!!..
Are you trying to be Yann..
Hard disk= Attebssi Khsheen!!..
I'm talking KABYLE dialect is just arabo-TIKHARBISHEN dilaect..
Even from the few words you picked 30% of it is A3rav..
Mirror= Imri??!, Arabic..mrya or MIR'a
Rent= KRU??, el-kra!..
Washnu?, en Kabyle on dit pas "Asmhiyi??", what Kabyle?..
Wa Haq Revvi wa haq deen Mohamed inghaess "Assmhiyi agma atch'hal rahi
sa3a!?", how do you say time in Kabyle?, city?, Sea?, Fish?, olive OIL(I
know this one)=ZIT tamurth..
Shouf ma 3andek ma tqaqi wa ma 3andek ma at3ou3esh, our grand parents never
thought of algerian arabic and Kabyle as different languages!, win djet
klet!..They have been speaking Arabo-berber for thousands of yeras!,
Soub'han Allah wa bi Hamdihi (translate it)..How do you say "THANK YOU!", wa
shkun iqouolu TERBEH! or rouh TERBEH!??...
Kabyles are well known for el-COMMIRCE!, how come they don't have the word
for "commerce" in Kabyle!, they say "Tijara" or "el-bi3 wa shra"!!, they
don't say Tzenzigh or Zenghun like Yann try to "prove" it...The kabyles
never thought that the kabyle dialect is a language, but just an other kind
of DERJA!, sous-entendu an other form of arabic, until recently after total
arabization..3ala kuli hal, ana nasta3ref bikum belli m'khakh fi la theorie,
hadi kayna minha, I'm not kidding you..
For notebook, I heard one non-arabic word and that is "ZMAM", people in
Bordj-M'hayen say "Zmam" for "cahier", I don't know what origin it is..maybe
15 1/2..They have all kind of tikharbisheen also, many WOUO=Words Of Unknown
Origin..
They have Qanfouha, Qoniz, Rannek, Messekhra, Khorgis,Djayeh, Djahnit....
Bear in mind that there are two cities in greater algiers that are the
source of el-Khorti wa tmniyikology: Bordj-Menaiel wa el-Harrach..(el-Khorti
taa el-qbayel kamel fi M'naiel, wa "sherra, deep slang" of algiers
originated in el-harrach..and that is a fact, do your own research..and both
do have a distinct accents..
Btw, don't try to figure me out, I'm from neither cities, by I'm familliar
with both..
And you can't convince me that the Tizi-Ouzain speak tamazight!!??, they'll
never change!, ils sont tojor et comme tojor la meme pareil..
Fodil
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> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> ><diasp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >news:8e512o$12$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >>
> >>
://www.deja.com/
> >> Before you buy.
> >
> >
>
Fodil
> Today I heard the definition of dialect vs. language.
>
> A language is a dialect with an army behind it.
>
Nad el-MADANIA is the GENERAL of the army!..
Btw, I used to know a woman that we called el-Madania, and she has your
characteristics:)), not the stubburness, she was known as KOURI MOUH
.........wa ROUH, ask Diaspora, he is a CHAWI, he can fill in the blank for
you..Now, you can see if the Chawis are ALGERIANS or NOT, I bet taht he can
fill in the blank for you..
And you thought d'han was a tamazight word!, he was talking tto me ya
el-Boudjadia, he knows ssangou also (maybe you though ssangou was
tamazight!!)..
Blancka, I think that it is about time for you to go FISHING!, you may catch
a nice SELBAH, some say SENOR!, ask Diaspora to translate it for you..maybe
it is a berber word, I don't know, but I know for a fact that it is an
algerian word..
If Massine knows the word "Selbah", he can't qualify to be an Amazigh...
Fodil
Fodil
>
>
> Fodil wrote:
> >
> > Blanca!,
> >
> > There was neve a yemeni jewish king, they were arbs and queen Siba wan a
> > yemenite arab..>>
>
> There were Jewish kingdoms in Yemen, Fodil. Ask the Yemeni. They still
> "remember," and apparently from what they say, the Jewish kings weren't
> too kind to their non-Jewish subjects.
>
How come you know so much about the jews?..
Mohamed(saw) gave them two options, he told them READ the TORAT and you MUST
find me there, if NOT, leave dodge! or join in..:)))
> People in today's sauodia are nothern arabs, they became
> > arabs after some yemenite migrated from the mountainous area toward the
> > plains and the sea..(like Bahrain, and the arabian golf)..>>
>
> Fodil, why don't you write a book and call it Fodil's Remaking of
> Ancient History?
>
We say el3ab bayen, "the game is very clear", the jews spoke, read and wrote
ARABIC so they can fit in, and some of them did study and read the QURAN,
but they believe only in SOME of it like you do.., do you believe in ALL the
Quran, like the Quran says...
> You are just a
> > sick puppy..The North Africans did not do anything, except WAR, and that
is
> > a fact..Without the arabs they'll still be fighting each others like
they
> > have been doing for the past 3000 years..
>
> What exactly do you call what's been happening the last 8 years? Hugging
> each other to death?
>
Yes, they are going back1, it's the BARBARIC genes talking..
>
> > I gave you fifty words, go ask your friend to translate them..PAPA is
NOT a
> > word, it's BABY TALK, like Mama..Who the F** do you think Algerians
are?, a
> > bunch of idiots an morons that need a jew to FOOL them!!?..
>
> Not unless you're the Jew.
>
You mean you can fool only arabs but noit the jews!??!, if this is the cae,
you are daed WRONG!..H'na 3andna FOXun! mashi taa BOUBI!.
>
> > Everything else you have been blabering is just garbage towards the
ARABS.
>
> I have not said any garbage about the Arabs.
>
Of course you did, you said that they had no influence!, except Isalm and
even though, you don't believe in their isalm, but in Judaisim-Islam, unity
of GOD and the torat, sory the quran1, to you it makes no difference..
Btw, nowdays the JEWS include the Talmude and the torat as ONE and thay cal
it TORAH..
> > Who followed whom?, you speak of the iranians!!, who are their
Immams?!..
> > Without the ARABS, the Muslim world will remain JAHILI, and some of them
are
> > going back to the Jahilia!!....
>
> Without the Qur'an, without God. The Arabs aren't necessary. Only one
> Arab was important, and that was the Prophet, and he had to fight Arabs
> for Islam to spread. And the best spreaders of Islam were not Arabs, but
> the indigenous people of the areas where the Message was heard. In North
> Africa, it was the Amazigh themselves who really spread Islam.
>
Without OMAR IBN el-KHATTAB!, without ALI IBN ABI TALEB, withoud HASSAN wa
el-HOCEIN, without FATIMA ZOHRA!!..Come one it's about your FISHING time!,
give it up!!.
Name the IMMAMS that the SHITES folow!, who is the FIRST?
>
> > As him to translate also:
> >
> > To read, to write, thinking, imagination, invention...
> >
> > I wonder why they still use arabic words...
> >
> > Fodil
>
> Are you sure they do?
Of course I'm sure!, ask them to translate:
Imagination is better tahn Knowledge.
Thank you God!
Fodil
Blanca!,
bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Fodil wrote:
> >
> You miss the point, Fodil. Just like Arabic had to add foreign words to
> keep up with modern times today, it could have done so in the past as
> well when new concepts or things not part of their lifestyle came up.
> And all languages borrow. If Arabic has to borrow today, it borrowed in
> the past. And you were laughing at Tamazight because it had borrowed
> words, and thus to you, it was not a language. So the same rule has to
> be applied to Arabic.
>
>
> > Words like LIFE, death, Mother and Father, FAMILY..
> >
> > What is the Kabyle/Chaoui word for FAMILY!...
> > What is the word for HOSPITALITY!
> > Fodil
>
> I think one needs to go further in time, and find out what these words
> were in the ancient languages. We'll find that Arabic got it from them.
> After all, Arabic even got Allah, the most important word in the Qur'an,
> from more ancient languages.
Whoever called you "Diabolo" was right!!..:)))
I was not talking about MODERN words..
Now, you are saying that GOD used the word ALLAH in the quran and God copied
it from others!!??, what kind of a Muslim are you?, why can't you be who you
are!, a nice jew! and be quiet!!
Blanca!, you are really becoming more and more rediculous and you are
unveiling yourself, you tend to forget that the Muslims believe that the
Quran is the word of GOD, ALLAH, the Quran that is written in ARABIC as God
said so in the quran!, do you think God is making fun of us?, he tells us
that that this book is writen in plain simple arabic, but he FORGOT to tell
us that HIS name is NON-ARABIC name!??!, astaghfiru Allah..Hey!, Muslims do
not think like you, you have to be a SMARTER jew than that, you are NOT a
clever jew but a dumb one, and I'm sorry to let you know about your
stupidity!, so UKKER ya el-BlanKita!, algerians are NOT that dumab!, you
can't fool them, some may NOT tell you what they think silently about you,
but Fodil does NOT give a sh***.., he'll tell you..
Just THINK before you speak!, and always think Imagination is better than
knoweledge, and there will be NO knowledge without imagination..
Fodil
Fodil
I gave you fifty words to translate, si khona taa usanow tried to translate
few, and 30% of it was arabic. Ma tqolish "Miror=Imri!!?", rent=KRU!?..!
Now, I give you one simple sentence:
MIND over MATTER.
according to "le petit fils" de massinisa(masine):
Anefs foug ?(el-hadja khshina!!?), anefs is ARABIC word and it is in the
rabic quran, and it does not mean mind!!??!
If yo can't translate it in Tachawith, try this one:
Imagination is Better than Knowledge!
and Thank you! (translate it also!)...
Fodil (translate it also)..
azo charif <a...@chari.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Massine
n'a meme pas use de l'ingeniosite des journalistes du "Matin du
Sahara", c'est encourageant!
Continue Abbas tu as presque compris le sens de la VIe.
Massine.
bmadani
Pcsvcla wrote:
>
> Blanca!..
>
> I'm NOT saying that SOME Kabyles should not call themselves Imazighen!, they
> can call themselves sidi rebbi if they wish..But ALGERIANS have NOTHING to do
> with these ZAMAZIGHEN!??, if so, what do they have in common with this
> TZENZIGH, the YELLOW-green-BLUE flag wa ma shubiha dhalika..>>
All Algerians should have plenty in common with the flag. Taken from the
author of Fédération Algérienne et Confédération de Tamaz&a:
The geophysical significance of the colors are: Blue for the
Mediterranean; Green for the greenness of the Tell/Atlas; Yellow for the
Desert; the Red Z for Sacrifice, the Amazigh identity that has always
existed. The geopolitical significance of the colors are: Green for
Spirit; Yellow for Transparency; Blue for Democracy; the Red Z, again,
for Sacrifice and the eternal Identity.
> It is True that most N.Africans are NOT 100% Arabians blood-wise, and it is
> also true that they are NOT 100% Imazighen!!,
True North Africans are 100% Imazighen. This doesn't mean that they
aren't mixed with the other peoples that influenced the area or traveled
there. After all, I only have 50 percent of my father's genes, but I am
100 percent his daughter. Got it? Or are you to dense to understand?
they are N.AFricans!..3000 yeras
> ago OTHER people existed that had nothing in common with today's N.AFricans,
> maybe they had a common language!, if so which one!??, it is true that the only
> two components common amongst all the Maghrebin are: 1. Islam 2. the Maghrebin
> ARABIC..Now some Kabyles studied books(qraw ktebet) and they created a language
> and even a new RACE!, and we are waiting for them to put it into PRACTICE!,
> MABROOK a3lihoum wa Allah izid lhoum!, (btw even MABROOK is also a KABYLE
> word)..
>
> Fodil
Islam has not been a common component for all the Maghrebians. It has
been practiced differently, and not all Maghrebians were Muslims before
the French came along (which by the way proves that the Muslims weren't
so awful forcing the religion on everyone or you wouldn't have had as
many Jews as apparently there were).
Maghrebian Arabic has also not been a uniting factor since it was not
spoken by a majority, again before the French came along and changed the
scene drastically, and even today, it is not spoken by all.
I would like to know if anyone has ever documented what language Emir
Abdelkader spoke to his soldiers. I'm aware he knew Arabic. With his
education, of course he did. But what language did he use to lead his
army, which had several thousand Kabyles in it. Just curious.
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3907855B...@worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >
> > Fodil wrote:
> > >
> > > Blanca!,
> > >
> > > There was neve a yemeni jewish king, they were arbs and queen Siba wan a
> > > yemenite arab..>>
> >
> > There were Jewish kingdoms in Yemen, Fodil. Ask the Yemeni. They still
> > "remember," and apparently from what they say, the Jewish kings weren't
> > too kind to their non-Jewish subjects.
> >
>
> How come you know so much about the jews?..>>
Not about the Jews. About Middle Eastern and north African history. And
the Jews are everywhere :)
> We say el3ab bayen, "the game is very clear", the jews spoke, read and wrote
> ARABIC so they can fit in, and some of them did study and read the QURAN,
> but they believe only in SOME of it like you do.., do you believe in ALL the
> Quran, like the Quran says...
I believe in the Qur'an, all of it, taken as a whole. I'm not the one
that picks and chooses from the Qur'an and then basis stuff on hadiths.
And we're having here a conversation about languages, not religion.
Leave it out. It has nothing to do with this discussion.
> Of course you did, you said that they had no influence!, except Isalm and
> even though, you don't believe in their isalm, but in Judaisim-Islam, unity
> of GOD and the torat, sory the quran1, to you it makes no difference..
> Btw, nowdays the JEWS include the Talmude and the torat as ONE and thay cal
> it TORAH..
I said Islam and the language. After Islam spread, it was taken over and
influenced by those it came across, and so was the language. This is not
Arab bashing. This is recognizing the truth, the fact that the Islamic
culture was so enriched by many peoples.
> Name the IMMAMS that the SHITES folow!, who is the FIRST?
Your examples are ridiculous. Names mean nothing.We think they are Arab
because of those famous in Islam. But were they? Have you checked to see
if they existed prior to Islam, and where? Arabia had influences from
Persia on the coast, from Syriac and Greek on the north. Ali is a very
old name.
Why don't you look at languages before Arabic, and see how much Arabic
borrowed?
And the point is what use is Arabic? Even in Arab countries, they go to
English. The sciences, the maths, etc. are not studied in Arabic. Know
who uses Arabic in their studies? Those who study Shar'ia and those
interested in Arabic literature. It doesn't get you a lucrative job. How
many imams and Islamic lawyers does a country need?
If you have to learn a language not your own, how about one that is
practical in today's world? Otherwise, stick to your own language. Makes
a lot more sense.
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> > I think one needs to go further in time, and find out what these words
> > were in the ancient languages. We'll find that Arabic got it from them.
> > After all, Arabic even got Allah, the most important word in the Qur'an,
> > from more ancient languages.
>
> Whoever called you "Diabolo" was right!!..:)))
>
> I was not talking about MODERN words..
>
> Now, you are saying that GOD used the word ALLAH in the quran and God copied
> it from others!!??, what kind of a Muslim are you?, why can't you be who you
> are!, a nice jew! and be quiet!!
Don't be silly. The Qur'an is in Arabic because the Prophet didn't know
any other language and needed to understand and so did the people he was
going to share the information with, but that doesn't mean that God was
actually "speaking" in Arabic. He was understood in Arabic. After all,
God doesn't have a mouth or talks in the sense we do.
Words are not necessary to God. They are necessary to us. People
invented language. So God does not "copy" anything. What do you think?
That the Qur'an just appeared in a void? Why does the Qur'an mention the
Jews, the Christians, the earlier Books given to them? The Qur'an is
telling us it's all the same message. Those who wish to ignore it are
refusing to believe the Qur'an itself.
P.S. I've never known a quiet female Jew. Have you? But I'm not Jew
anyway.
> Blanca!, you are really becoming more and more rediculous and you are
> unveiling yourself, you tend to forget that the Muslims believe that the
> Quran is the word of GOD, ALLAH, the Quran that is written in ARABIC as God
> said so in the quran!, do you think God is making fun of us?, he tells us
> that that this book is writen in plain simple arabic, but he FORGOT to tell
> us that HIS name is NON-ARABIC name!??!, astaghfiru Allah..Hey!, Muslims do
> not think like you, you have to be a SMARTER jew than that, you are NOT a
> clever jew but a dumb one, and I'm sorry to let you know about your
> stupidity!, so UKKER ya el-BlanKita!, algerians are NOT that dumab!, you
> can't fool them, some may NOT tell you what they think silently about you,
> but Fodil does NOT give a sh***.., he'll tell you..>>
Fodil, I don't give a owl's hoot what other "Muslims" think. Some people
believe anything they are told by some imam or sheik. I have no respect
for them unless I see that they think, and don't just memorize and
follow what has been told to them.
Muslims are different. Some do think like me. Most do not. But then most
people like to have life easy, and don't like to think for themselves. I
care too much about my soul and about my relationship with God to just
accept what everyone else says. To you it's a joke. To me, it's not.
> Just THINK before you speak!, and always think Imagination is better than
> knoweledge, and there will be NO knowledge without imagination..
>
> Fodil>>
I'm not stupid, Fodil. And what I care about is what is just and right.
I have plenty of imagination. I know what is possible, but if that
possibility occurs, it's the fault of those that refused justice. I'm
not going to hide like a coward just because some people are afraid of
what could happen, but might not or might not happen.
us...@sprintpipe.com
"Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Sahit usanow,
>
>Anta bayen a3lik ness m'leh, kima n'qolou min tawa3na..
>
>Moi, je reconnais que les Kabyles-Activists ont cree une langue. Mais les
>KABYLES, el-QBAYEL tawa3na n'ont aucune idee de ce que tu viens decrire..
>
>Book in kabyle is KTEB
Helloooo
welcome to tamazight 101.
A book in kabyle has never been referred to as kteb. This is the first
time i hear this. "kteb" is arabic and until recently we used the
word "livri" which as u know is a derivative from the french word
"livre".
Nowadays, kabyle is made more and more foreign word free. It is a
hard
process that obviously is not helped by
the fact that the teaching of tamazight is almost
non-existant in Algeria.
No one can deny the fact that all languages, in particular
english is about 30% "corrupted" by foreign words.
Because the french occupied England for more than
3 centuries in the 15-17 centuries (?) , about 20%
of english as we know it today has been borrowed to
french.
It is only natural that tamazight will borrow from arabic
and french because of the same processes.
By the way do you know that the Koran is also
full of foreign words to the Mecca area ?
I let u work on this one but if u need me to elaborate on this topics
I will come back.
ad nughal
diasp...@my-deja.com
> > I'm NOT saying that SOME Kabyles should not call themselves
Imazighen!, they
> > can call themselves sidi rebbi if they wish..But ALGERIANS have
NOTHING to do
> > with these ZAMAZIGHEN!??, if so, what do they have in common with
this
> > TZENZIGH, the YELLOW-green-BLUE flag wa ma shubiha dhalika..>>
> All Algerians should have plenty in common with the flag.
No, thanks, lavigerie! Don't speak for Algerians, settut!!
Our flag is the same flag Ben Boulaid, Amirouche, Fanon and Ben M'hidi
fought for. The same flag you said it was just a piece of clothe.
Algeria is ONE NATION. It is not tribes with flags.
We don't appreciate foreign shmucks telling us what flag we should
have.
So I suggest your keep your advice and GO TO HELL!!
> True North Africans are 100% Imazighen.
What happened to the Arab North Africans, settut? They exist, you know.
What should we do with them? Aren't they True N Africans?
This doesn't mean that they
> aren't mixed with the other peoples that influenced the area or
traveled
> there. After all, I only have 50 percent of my father's genes, but I
am
> 100 percent his daughter. Got it? Or are you to dense to understand?
>
> they are N.AFricans!..3000 yeras
> > ago OTHER people existed that had nothing in common with today's
N.AFricans?
> Islam has not been a common component for all the Maghrebians.
No, but it was for the VAST MAJORITY!!
We know you think Algeria was 25% jewish and Tlemcen was 60% jewish. A
FICTION! Give it up, settut!!
diasp...@my-deja.com
> il ya aussi des variations phonetiques et lexicales entre les
differents
> parlers de chaouia
sssss, soussem, don't give sawt el 3arab more ammunition :)
Mata thallith?
>par exemple le g de celui de diaspora est remplace par
> le y dans le mien je dis aryaz pour homme il dirait argaz.... pour
le
> chien je dis 'agherzoul' et pour le cheval 'ajador' mais diaspora
dirait
> respectivement aythi et iss..
I am familiar with the words ajador and agherzoul. I try to use the
words which are common in most shawi areas. I call it STANDARD SHAWI :)
I find the word ajador a bit vague. It it a general term. It could mean
assarthun(mule)or iss(horse). Horse is specific. What do you call a
mare? We say el3outha. Plural: Ighalline.
We use the word agherzoul too.
Take care.
Fodil
<diasp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> "azo charif" <a...@chari.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > il ya aussi des variations phonetiques et lexicales entre les
> differents
> > parlers de chaouia
>
> sssss, soussem, don't give sawt el 3arab more ammunition :)
>
> Mata thallith?
>
it, tahbes fi Aris.., S'hab khenchla are 3arbun! ki el-qbayel taa
Bouira..:)))
l3outha??, why not el3oud wa el-3ouda, it's the same language, the tachawith
and el-qbaylia have other words that are synonymes to the arabic-derja,
that's all!..Do you really believe that they are languages!!??..
Fodil
Fodil
<us...@sprintpipe.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Sahit usanow,
> >
> >Anta bayen a3lik ness m'leh, kima n'qolou min tawa3na..
> >
> >Moi, je reconnais que les Kabyles-Activists ont cree une langue. Mais les
> >KABYLES, el-QBAYEL tawa3na n'ont aucune idee de ce que tu viens decrire..
> >
> >Book in kabyle is KTEB
>
>
> Helloooo
> welcome to tamazight 101.
> A book in kabyle has never been referred to as kteb. This is the first
> time i hear this. "kteb" is arabic and until recently we used the
> word "livri" which as u know is a derivative from the french word
> "livre".
Wash livri, gaa les algeriens kanu iqolo livri, cahiyi wa stilou..
But they don't call el-QURAN LIVRI!, they say el_KTEB!!, hey!..
I heard "zmam" meaning notebook, maybe from "azmam"??!, it's not arabic, but
it's a 15 1/2 word..
How come Kabyle borrow from arabic!!?
Did they borrow words like: Father, Mother, Family, Ancestors, Mind, Matter,
City, Oncle..FISH! OIL..and thousands more words..
How do you say :"TO READ" and to WRITE in Kabyle!!??, they use ARABIC
word..Yaqra wa Yakteb.., they say el-qraya!!
The basic wors such as THANK yoiu and congratulations are ARABIC, I
understand words like MATTER do not exist in kabyle dialect, or like read
and write..but what bout the basic ones as the ones above..
Fodil
> >> ><diasp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
Fodil
Blnaca!,
Debating you is just a waste of Mind!..It's unhealthy..a Mind is a terrible
thing to waste:))
They were ARABS!, like Ali Ibn Abi taleb, his son Hussein and his wife
Fatima Zohra..
You don't even believe in the Quran, you think that the word "Allah" is NOT
arabic and GOD COPIED it from other non-arabs to call himself ALLAH!!?!!..
Waht amazes me is your insisting on being a Muslim, and your way of thinking
is completly anti-Islam!, it's so obvious!, Muslims do NOT doubt the word of
Allah, they don't say the arabs copied from previous balah..blah..
There are about 5 millions words in arabic language, 500,000 in French and
250,000 in English..and 1000 in tamazight (maz):))), and 3000 words in
hebrew..
MIRA is arabic from MIRa' (Mirror)..
Fodil
bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
>
Fodil
Blanca!,
I really believe taht you blinded with you JUAMZIGHISM, you justify
everything..
I showed verse from the quran that states that this book is in plain Arabic.
And now you are hinting that the ARABS copied it from the jews!, isn' that
what you believe in..Please, don't try hard!..You are NOT fit to be a
Muslim, no way!!..I don't care, but just be frank..Your Islam is Judaism, I
don't see any difference in your belief and in Judaism, none!!, they are
also Monotheist!..
It's just in your sick mind..Sheikhs do Not teach Islam, Muslims are born
and raised with Islam..
Fodil
bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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bmadani
diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > I'm NOT saying that SOME Kabyles should not call themselves
> Imazighen!, they
> > > can call themselves sidi rebbi if they wish..But ALGERIANS have
> NOTHING to do
> > > with these ZAMAZIGHEN!??, if so, what do they have in common with
> this
> > > TZENZIGH, the YELLOW-green-BLUE flag wa ma shubiha dhalika..>>
>
> > All Algerians should have plenty in common with the flag.
>
> No, thanks, lavigerie! Don't speak for Algerians, settut!!
>
> Our flag is the same flag Ben Boulaid, Amirouche, Fanon and Ben M'hidi
> fought for. The same flag you said it was just a piece of clothe.
>
> Algeria is ONE NATION. It is not tribes with flags.
>
> We don't appreciate foreign shmucks telling us what flag we should
> have.>
I am not talking about replacing the Algerian flag. And don't be a
hypocrite. You're in this country, and you've replaced the Algerian flag
for the American.
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Blnaca!,
>
> Debating you is just a waste of Mind!..It's unhealthy..a Mind is a terrible
> thing to waste:))
> They were ARABS!, like Ali Ibn Abi taleb, his son Hussein and his wife
> Fatima Zohra..
> You don't even believe in the Quran, you think that the word "Allah" is NOT
> arabic and GOD COPIED it from other non-arabs to call himself ALLAH!!?!!..
>
> Waht amazes me is your insisting on being a Muslim, and your way of thinking
> is completly anti-Islam!, it's so obvious!, Muslims do NOT doubt the word of
> Allah, they don't say the arabs copied from previous balah..blah..
I'm fed up with your telling me I'm not a Muslim, Fodil. Allah is
al-lah, and lah is a very ancient word. Allah was also the name of one
of the pagan gods. It is stupid to be constantly trying to prove
everything is originally Arabic because the Qur'an comes from God. Yes,
a mind is a terrible thing to waste. And you're wasting yours with this
nonsense.
>
> There are about 5 millions words in arabic language, 500,000 in French and
> 250,000 in English..and 1000 in tamazight (maz):))), and 3000 words in
> hebrew..
>
> MIRA is arabic from MIRa' (Mirror)..
>
> Fodil
> bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:390845BC...@worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Blanca!,
>
> I really believe taht you blinded with you JUAMZIGHISM, you justify
> everything..
>
> I showed verse from the quran that states that this book is in plain Arabic.
> And now you are hinting that the ARABS copied it from the jews!, isn' that
> what you believe in..Please, don't try hard!..You are NOT fit to be a
> Muslim, no way!!..>>
Perhaps not. And I suppose you are?
I don't care, but just be frank..Your Islam is Judaism, I
> don't see any difference in your belief and in Judaism, none!!, they are
> also Monotheist!..
>
> It's just in your sick mind..Sheikhs do Not teach Islam, Muslims are born
> and raised with Islam..
>
> Fodil
>
> bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
diasp...@my-deja.com
> Ya Nassime, 3ala balli gaa b' khraybkum!..I told you that Aris
dialect is
> it, tahbes fi Aris..
T'banlek bark ya oulili(el 3ankabut).
> S'hab khenchla are 3arbun! ki el-qbayel taa
> Bouira..:)))
No, s'hab khenchela lammouchia, irgazen first class.
Akkuren am ingan(horcha ki el hajra). Yahkmuk itarbgu 3azrinek :)
> l3outha??, why not el3oud wa el-3ouda
Cos that is what we call it, dude. El3oud is el 3assa/akabbal/akazul.
I know that el3oud means faras/horse in other parts of Algeria.
A friend of mine min wahran told me this story. A true story. It
happened around the time of thawra zira3iya. El hikaya goes like this:
Kaid Ahmed was in a meeting with students. One of the students asked
Kaid Ahmed" if you want to nationalize the land, why don't you start
with yourself?" So si Kaid wanted clarification. So the student
elaborated" well, I understand that your family owns a lot of land and
many e3wada." Kaid answered" nonsense, ana 3andi 3oud wahed, itha
bghitu na3tihoulkem tarkbu 3alih." :))
> Do you really believe that they are languages!!??..
" To be human one must have a tribe; to be a tribe one must have a
language." John Hofman.
El hadra bi el mizan a Tahar:)
bmadani
us...@sprintpipe.com wrote:
>
> Helloooo
> welcome to tamazight 101.
> A book in kabyle has never been referred to as kteb. This is the first
> time i hear this. "kteb" is arabic and until recently we used the
> word "livri" which as u know is a derivative from the french word
> "livre".
> Nowadays, kabyle is made more and more foreign word free. It is a
> hard
> process that obviously is not helped by
> the fact that the teaching of tamazight is almost
> non-existant in Algeria.
> No one can deny the fact that all languages, in particular
> english is about 30% "corrupted" by foreign words.
> Because the french occupied England for more than
> 3 centuries in the 15-17 centuries (?) , about 20%
> of english as we know it today has been borrowed to
> french.
> It is only natural that tamazight will borrow from arabic
> and french because of the same processes.
> By the way do you know that the Koran is also
> full of foreign words to the Mecca area ?
> I let u work on this one but if u need me to elaborate on this topics
> I will come back.
>
> ad nughal
Azul,
Do please elaborate. I know only a couple of foreign words in the
Qur'an. Fodil, too, needs to learn something.
Fodil
>
>
> Fodil wrote:
> >
> > Blnaca!,
> >
> > Debating you is just a waste of Mind!..It's unhealthy..a Mind is a
terrible
> > thing to waste:))
> > They were ARABS!, like Ali Ibn Abi taleb, his son Hussein and his wife
> > Fatima Zohra..
> > You don't even believe in the Quran, you think that the word "Allah" is
NOT
> > arabic and GOD COPIED it from other non-arabs to call himself
ALLAH!!?!!..
> >
> > Waht amazes me is your insisting on being a Muslim, and your way of
thinking
> > is completly anti-Islam!, it's so obvious!, Muslims do NOT doubt the
word of
> > Allah, they don't say the arabs copied from previous balah..blah..
>
> I'm fed up with your telling me I'm not a Muslim, Fodil. Allah is
> al-lah, and lah is a very ancient word. Allah was also the name of one
> of the pagan gods. It is stupid to be constantly trying to prove
> everything is originally Arabic because the Qur'an comes from God. Yes,
> a mind is a terrible thing to waste. And you're wasting yours with this
> nonsense.
>
simillar!, do you know what it is..You wrote down that ARABS copied the word
ALLAH from ancient languages, but the QURAN uses the word allah, and the
quran says that it is an arabic language!!..A Muslim cannot think in these
terms, it's called KUFFR!..
There is NO way on earth that you are a muslim, when did you convert?, and
who initiated you?, did they tell you that the Quran is NOT all in
arabic!!..
GIVE it up!, and come out of the closet!..
You can't stand the fact that the forfathers of today's saoudis pierced the
entire globe and made almost TWO billions of them, and duplicated at least
250000...
Wake up!..It's your selbah fishing time..!, facts are facts!..
Fodil
>
> >
> > There are about 5 millions words in arabic language, 500,000 in French
and
> > 250,000 in English..and 1000 in tamazight (maz):))), and 3000 words in
> > hebrew..
> >
> > MIRA is arabic from MIRa' (Mirror)..
> >
> > Fodil
> > bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:390845BC...@worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > >
diasp...@my-deja.com
> > > > the YELLOW-green-BLUE flag wa ma shubiha dhalika..>>
> > > All Algerians should have plenty in common with the flag.
> > No, thanks, lavigerie! Don't speak for Algerians, settut!!
> > Our flag is the same flag Ben Boulaid, Amirouche, Fanon and Ben
M'hidi
> > fought for. The same flag you said it was just a piece of clothe.
> > Algeria is ONE NATION. It is not tribes with flags.
> > We don't appreciate foreign shmucks telling us what flag we should
> > have.>
> I am not talking about replacing the Algerian flag.
Yes, you are!! We know what you think of the Algerian flag: a piece of
colth.
-We know what you think of Algeria's territorial integrity: "what is
the big deal, borders were created by fafa."
Your dream is to turn Algeria into a land of TRIBES WITH FLAGS!!
I hate to disappoint you, sweet settut. It will never happen!!! So give
it up, relax and enjoy life.
> And don't be a
> hypocrite.
Hypocrite is your middle name, my lovely settut!
-Hypocracy is YO YO ing!
-Hypocracy is flip flop!
-Hypocracy is wearing 100's hats!
> you've replaced the Algerian flag
> for the American.
What logic! How stupid/pathetic!! What a waste of bites!!
Being a resident of a country does not mean replacing one's flag.
Welcome to 101 citizenship.
Fodil
Don't push your luck!..
There are no foreign words in the Quran, it's all in ARABIC, it just happens
that arabic is one of the richest languages in this world, even your
Sapanish is full of arabic words, MIRA(Look again)..
No matter what you do, and no matter what your Imazighen do, the ARAB is in
them!..As a matter a fact there are arbic words in almost every language in
this world, there i arabic in french in english, in latin, in greek and
especially in your ancestors language..Btw, I'm Not an arabist, I'm not an
a3roubist nor beast, but a realist that speaks the truth..
Neither Kabyle nor chawia nor any berber dialect is considered a language,
but buch of WORDS, just words..None of them is complete without ARABIC, you
may ask your Iamzighen to prove otherwise..I gave you very simple words, but
of course you claim that Papa means father?!, where in Brooklyn?..
What do you mean by ancient languages?, do you mean hebrew?, it never
existed as a functional language, it just existed as a religious language,
most jews spoke either arabic or armaic, which are both arabic languages..
Today's Maghrebin arabic is derived from arabic and punic, which are both
arabic languages..Ask them how do they say "SCHOOL" in kabyle?, they say
LICOULE!!?, there is Medressa and el-MSSID, maybe M'ssid used to be punic!,
I don't know, but it became Algerian arabic, for none has claimed to belong
to their native language..You like it or not, most Algerians are ARAB-made,
and most say so ZKARA(spitefully) to be against the JUMAZIGHSM mouvement,
and that is the TRUTH, and Algerians will never change..Do you think that
they are that dumb to believe in you culture flag?!!, culture shmulture, do
you think that they are that stupid to be fooled into believing that Yellow
means sahra(btw, what is the Amazigh word for Sahara!!?), Green(means
mountain) and Blue(DEMO-Qarssa)..
Yellow=Jewish, Blue=Christian, and the green is squezed in the middle by a
RED bloody Z!=death to the green!, it means exactly that..Why don't you form
your own country, the Algerian president told you that he does not recognize
YOUR language!, do you know why he thinks it's YOUR language!?, because it
is YOURS, so LEARN it and teach it to YOUR people..
Fodil
Tomas Bautista
Hi!
There's a book written in Spanish name "Historia del Pueblo Guanche" (well
-- they are two volumes in fact) from the Editorial Lemus, from Tenerife
(Canary Is.) in which something about this is pointed out, and a comparison
of some words from Kabyle, the language of the former canarian inhabitants
and Basque language is made.
Perhaps could help. Don't know if in some library in the Basque country you
could find it.
Ar tufat,
Tomás.
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bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
Allah was a pagan god, for pete's sake. How kuffr can you get? People
have never been all that original. They use the same names. Al-lah, is
The God. It is an arabized form of an ancient non-arabic word.
Don't tell me how Muslims can and cannot think. Muslims are suppose to
think and seek knowledge. There is nothing "kuffr" about thinking. Good
thing you try this argument with me. If you tried it with someone who
doesn't really know Islam, they would be scared that they are offending
God and being kuffr, which is the worst insult in Islam. Myself, I don't
give a hoot because any Muslim that calls another Muslim a kuffr is a
kuffr him/herself, according to our faith. Besides, men don't scare me.
I have an over-active conscience. So I know when I do wrong, and there
is nothing wrong with saying what one thinks or knows as long as it's
not done to harm others.
The fact that the Qur'an is in the Arabic language, and of course it is,
does not mean that the words were invented by the Arabs and did not
evolve from a former language. What do you think? That the Muslims one
day woke up and understood this strange new language from God? Don't be
ridiculous. You're argument is absurd to the extreme.
> There is NO way on earth that you are a muslim, when did you convert?, and
> who initiated you?, did they tell you that the Quran is NOT all in
> arabic!!..
I never converted. I simply put a name to my beliefs. I was taught to
believe in Mohammed as a prophet all my life, as well as the other
prophets. I was just ignorant about the Qur'an and didn't read it until
1985, when I realized I was reading the Book with the Knowledge I had
been taught all my life by my father. I was not "initiated" unless you
mean saying the shahada before witnesses. I didn't know any other
Muslims until shortly before I came to DC. It was early 1993 when I met
some Saoudis and an Afghani and discovered that a co-worker from India
were Muslims, at which time they taught me the shahada and were my
witnesses, and they started to teach me how to pray like a Muslim. But I
fasted and did everything the Qur'an told me to do on my own all those
years until 1995, the first time I shared Ramadan with anyone. Or rather
they shared it with me.
> GIVE it up!, and come out of the closet!..
> You can't stand the fact that the forfathers of today's saoudis pierced the
> entire globe and made almost TWO billions of them, and duplicated at least
> 250000...
> Wake up!..It's your selbah fishing time..!, facts are facts!..
Don't be ridiculous. Facts are facts. Islam was really spread by
non-Arabs. And Islam spoke and speaks for itself.
bmadani
diasp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> Yes, you are!! We know what you think of the Algerian flag: a piece of
> colth.
That's not what I meant, Diaspora, and you know it. I meant simply that
people are more important than a symbol, and symbols can be replaced and
often are. But I respect the Algerian flag very much because it
symbolizes Algeria. And I don't know anyone that wants to replace it.
The Amazigh flag is simply a cultural symbol. It is not a replacement
for the Algerian flag. It cannot be because the Amazigh flag symbolizes
all Imazighen and crosses borders. It's like having a symbol for
Maghrebi union with the addition of other areas that include the Amazigh
people, but no one is talking about a political-geographical union.
> -We know what you think of Algeria's territorial integrity: "what is
> the big deal, borders were created by fafa."
>
> Your dream is to turn Algeria into a land of TRIBES WITH FLAGS!!
Don't tell me what my dream is. This is pure nonsense. My dream is to
see Algeria reach its potential, and it never could do that if it was
divided into tribal areas. Learn to differentiate between an
intellectual discussion and what is in one's heart. I may coldly state
that the boundaries were influenced by the French, but that does not
mean that I want them changed. Boundaries everywhere are due to
historical influences. They were not God-created. So what? Possibly the
only ones who would be happy to see boundaries gone are those who are
nomadic. By the way, I also corrected myself and noted that the
east-west borders were influenced by the Ottomans.
bmadani
Fodil wrote:
>
> Don't push your luck!..
> There are no foreign words in the Quran, it's all in ARABIC, it just happens
> that arabic is one of the richest languages in this world, even your
> Sapanish is full of arabic words, MIRA(Look again)..
I'm aware of that. I read that at least 3,000 words in Spanish is from
Arabic. Do you think you're insulting my language? I don't consider it
an insult. It's a fact, and Spanish is richer for absoring other
languages. The Spanish don't have a problem recognizing that it has
absored other languages to make Spanish. It's only those who worship
Arabic that refuse to realize that Arabic, too, absorbed other languages
to create its own.
> No matter what you do, and no matter what your Imazighen do, the ARAB is in
> them!..As a matter a fact there are arbic words in almost every language in
> this world, there i arabic in french in english, in latin, in greek and
> especially in your ancestors language..Btw, I'm Not an arabist, I'm not an
> a3roubist nor beast, but a realist that speaks the truth..
You're an "arabist" according to the definition used here by Algerians.
Yes, many, if not most languages do have Arabic words. They also have
Latin influence, and not just the Romance languages. And today, English
influences most if not all languages. The Greek and Roman philosophies
and sciences were translated into Arabic and thus saved. After they were
translated back into Latin and eventually into other languages, some
Arabic influence remained. The language has had much influence. Just as
the religion has. But those who spread the Arabic language were not
Arabs ethnically in the vast majority.
> Neither Kabyle nor chawia nor any berber dialect is considered a language,
> but buch of WORDS, just words..
Not considered by whom? You? You're not a linguist. Specialists,
experts, linguists call them languages.
None of them is complete without ARABIC, you
> may ask your Iamzighen to prove otherwise..I gave you very simple words, but
> of course you claim that Papa means father?!, where in Brooklyn?..
> What do you mean by ancient languages?, do you mean hebrew?, >>
Hebrew is not the only ancient language. When it comes to north Africa,
I think of Phoenician, perhaps some Latin influence, some Greek
(although Greek probably was influenced by Tamazight because their
scribes were not themselves Greeks). Perhaps even Aramaic. If the Jews
came to north Africa within the first century BCE, they didn't bring
Hebrew but Aramaic with them.
it never
> existed as a functional language, it just existed as a religious language,
What are you talking about? It most certainly was functional at one
time, but then was used religious only. Hebrew went through different
stages of development.
> most jews spoke either arabic or armaic, which are both arabic languages..
Aramaic is not Arabic. It is Semitic but not Arabic. And it is older
than Arabic.
> Today's Maghrebin arabic is derived from arabic and punic, which are both
> arabic languages..Ask them how do they say "SCHOOL" in kabyle?, they say
> LICOULE!!?, there is Medressa and el-MSSID, maybe M'ssid used to be punic!,
> I don't know, but it became Algerian arabic, for none has claimed to belong
> to their native language..You like it or not, most Algerians are ARAB-made,
> and most say so ZKARA(spitefully) to be against the JUMAZIGHSM mouvement,
> and that is the TRUTH, and Algerians will never change..Do you think that
> they are that dumb to believe in you culture flag?!!, culture shmulture, do
> you think that they are that stupid to be fooled into believing that Yellow
> means sahra(btw, what is the Amazigh word for Sahara!!?), Green(means
> mountain) and Blue(DEMO-Qarssa)..
> Yellow=Jewish, Blue=Christian, and the green is squezed in the middle by a
> RED bloody Z!=death to the green!, it means exactly that..
In your mind. Red is the symbol of life.
Why don't you form
> your own country, the Algerian president told you that he does not recognize
> YOUR language!, do you know why he thinks it's YOUR language!?, because it
> is YOURS, so LEARN it and teach it to YOUR people..
>
> Fodil
Millions of Tamazight speakers are Algerian. If you're Algerian, then
they are your people, too. Aren't they?
azo charif
cest le nom d'une plante sans feuillages (qui pousse sur le mont bleu 'ich
aziza' ) dont les tiges en formes d'epingles pointus et de fleurs
jaunes..dans le folklore et la mythologie locale cette plante symbolise la
resistance la durete et la virilite(mes qualites)..
alors dis moi mon petit dou tu as obtenu ce 3azo de ton shkoupi, meme en
arabe un tel prenom nexiste pas..je savais que cetait bou khalkhal qui la
utilise le premier car en arabiste fanatique il ne supporte pas dentendre
des prenoms berberes... mon petit lorsqu'on imite on doit le faire
intelligemment..
take care
Fodil <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> O.K, ya 3azo!..
>
azo charif
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> "azo charif" <a...@chari.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > il ya aussi des variations phonetiques et lexicales entre les
> differents
> > parlers de chaouia
>
> sssss, soussem, don't give sawt el 3arab more ammunition :)
>
> Mata thallith?
i agree with you that any shaaoui could undrestand another one without any
problem ...there is also a kabyle dialect somewhere in kabylie which is
exactly the same as thachaouith....i also have a friend from neffoussa
mountains in lybia who understands very well thachaouith once any french
words are substituted ...thachaouith of Arris which i happen to speak
contains many borrowed french words due to the long french colonial
presence..
>
> >par exemple le g de celui de diaspora est remplace par
> > le y dans le mien je dis aryaz pour homme il dirait argaz.... pour
> le
> > chien je dis 'agherzoul' et pour le cheval 'ajador' mais diaspora
> dirait
> > respectivement aythi et iss..
>
> I am familiar with the words ajador and agherzoul. I try to use the
> words which are common in most shawi areas. I call it STANDARD SHAWI :)
thachaouth of Arris also uses the words aythi and iss but rarely and
usually used by by old people..
>
> I find the word ajador a bit vague. It it a general term. It could mean
> assarthun(mule)or iss(horse). Horse is specific. What do you call a
> mare? We say el3outha. Plural: Ighalline.
we use the same word..
>
> We use the word agherzoul too.
>
> Take care.
ar tufath , hellith thi la paix..
azo
diasp...@my-deja.com
> > Yes, you are!! We know what you think of the Algerian flag: a piece
of
> > colth.
> That's not what I meant, Diaspora, and you know it.f
Tozzzzzz!! You meant it. Your other statements/positions confirm what
you think of Algeria, Algerian flag, Algerian territorial integrity and
Algerian values!!! You insulted/are insulting EVERYTHING DEAR TO US!!!
I don't expect foreign schmuks to understand. YOU WILL NEVER
UNDERSTAND!! It is all obstruct shit to U. Not to US!!
> But I respect the Algerian flag
yeah right! No wonder you are pushing the idea of having another flag.
Fakou!!
>very much because it
> symbolizes Algeria.
You bet it does!! And I challenge you and anyone who is advocating
having another flag to go to Algeria(anywhere in Algeria)and say the
same nonsense shit you have been saying here!! Chiche!!
>And I don't know anyone that wants to replace it.
Liar, queen n'issarkass!
> The Amazigh flag is simply a cultural symbol.
No, it is more than that, and you know it!!
> but no one is talking about a political-geographical union.
More lies, queen n'issarkess, and you know it!!!
> > -We know what you think of Algeria's territorial integrity: "what is
> > the big deal, borders were created by fafa."
> > Your dream is to turn Algeria into a land of TRIBES WITH FLAGS!!
> Don't tell me what my dream is. This is pure nonsense.
-different flag
-different anthem
-different political entity.
It does not take a chomskey to figure it out!
> My dream is to
> see Algeria reach its potential, and it never could do that if it was
> divided into tribal areas.
Your vision is to turn Algeria into a LAND OF TRIBES WITH FLAGS!
You made it clear! 100's of your posts prove it!
> I may coldly state
> that the boundaries were influenced by the French, but that does not
> mean that I want them changed.
Let me try again:
-different flag
-different anthem
-different political entity
Add the 3 and what do you get? If you know anything about political
science, you would understand what I am talking about.
diasp...@my-deja.com
> thachaouth of Arris also uses the words aythi and iss but rarely
and
> usually used by by old people
If it is used by old people, it means it is the real thing :). The old
timers are our dictionaries:)
Take care.
us...@sprintpipe.com
>
>bmadani <bama...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>Don't push your luck!..
>There are no foreign words in the Quran, it's all in ARABIC, it just happens
>that arabic is one of the richest languages in this world, even your
>Sapanish is full of arabic words, MIRA(Look again)..
>
There have been many serious studies that are considered
blasphemous by some on the "purity" of the arabic language
spoken in the Mecca city during the times of the prohete Mohamed.
The city of Mecca, known for biz and a place of pilgrinage
well before the first days of Islam, has been influenced
by linguistic imports from Yemen, Syria and the Nadjd.
Imminent research have found a large number of
words in the Koran are from Aramean, Abyssin,
Greek and Iranian origins.
I did not invent this, this written in many study
books on Islam and the Koran.
There was some years ago a highly referenced
special in the french magazine LE POINT (Oct 1,1994)
signed by C. Makarian and M.Ben Hassine on
"The truth life of Mahomet " where some of what i said is written.
Also read M. Robinson " Mahomet ", this is considered a classical
book .
>No matter what you do, and no matter what your Imazighen do, the ARAB is in
>them!..As a matter a fact there are arbic words in almost every language in
>this world, there i arabic in french in english, in latin, in greek and
>especially in your ancestors language..
>tw, I'm Not an arabist, I'm not an
>a3roubist nor beast, but a realist that speaks the truth..
pardon me but u do not have GREY POUPON
You are by far not telling the true on amazigh issues.
>Neither Kabyle nor chawia nor any berber dialect is considered a language,
Tamazight ( kabyle, chaouia, Mozabyte, touareg, Rifain, Chleuh )
is a language as old as humanity on Earth.
>Fodil
>
>
>
>
Tomas Bautista
<baut...@cma.ulpgc.es> wrote:
> There's a book written in Spanish name "Historia del Pueblo Guanche" (well
> -- they are two volumes in fact) from the Editorial Lemus, from Tenerife
> (Canary Is.) in which something about this is pointed out, and a comparison
> of some words from Kabyle, the language of the former canarian inhabitants
> and Basque language is made.
Just checking, I've seen I made two mistakes. It's not an editorial but a
bookshop that edits some books, and they are not two volumes but three.
<http://www.librerialemus.com>
Ar tufat,
Tomás.
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azo charif
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> us...@sprintpipe.com wrote:
>
> > >goat akerra
>
> > In kabyle we say "taghat "
>
> I forgot to include goat.
>
> The shawi word for goat is AKA3OUZET/IKA3OUZIN.
hi diaspora we say in arris also thaghat pluriel thighetten
>
> Baby goat = ighith, not to be confused with "igheth" which means ashes
> (ramad). Plural of ighith is ighaythen.
we say ighith or aleqqagh pluriel illeqqaghen
>
azo
azo charif
could you tell us if there is any tamazight-french or tamazight-english
dictionnary on the web ready to download
many thanks
ar tufath
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> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >news:8e512o$12$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> "Fodil" <arkin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > O.K.
> >>
> >> Translation: you didn't find arabic words in my list.
> >>
> >> Ast3raf, Tashawith is a very rich lingua :)
> >>
> >> > Sbah elkheir or ams elkhier fellawen ;))
> >>
> >> Shalom fallek :)
> >>
> >> > Translate the following:
> >>
> >> > 1. Sciences 2. Book 3. Notebook(cahier) 4. Pen 5. History 6. Good
> >> morning
> >> > 7.Fish 8. Shrimp 9. Pigeon 10. Pepper 11.City 12.State 13.Country
> >> > 14.Continent 15.Sea 16.Ocean 17.Octopus 18.Whale 19.Thank you 20. God
> >> 21.
> >> > Angel 22.Devil 23.Prophet 24.Idea 25.Opinion 26.Imagination 27.Brain
> >> 28.
> >> > Mind 29.To Think 30. Theory 31.Practice 32.Trade 33.Commerce 34.Rent
> >> > 37.Lease 38.Potaotoe 39.Telivision 40.Mirror 41.Watch 42.Time
43.Globe
> >> > 44.Government 45.President 46.Minister 47.Law 48. Judge 49.Truth 50.
> >> Lie
> >>
> >>
> >> Tarjamli-not terjemni :)- the following words: Tv, democracy, computer,
> >> parliament, electronics... Just a few words that popped up in my mind:)
> >> Tu dig ou tu dig pas ya wahed salhoub?
> >>
> >>
> >Assmhiyi (be elqbaylia), sdhouf kifash el-qbayel ihabbu idjibou bina
elwaqt,
> >yahadru el-3arbia wa iqoulouNa tamazight..
>
>
> Azul akw
> En kabyle on ne dit pas "assmhiyi" , c'est de l'arabe cela, plutot on
> dit 'surfiyi".
> Fodil has no idea about tamazight 101.
> For the list you gave it is too long so I will sample it
> and you will see that it is arabic or french free. There are many
> new books in tamazight that have covered technologies and
> modern words.
>
> 1-Sciences = tussna
> 2-Book = adliss
> 3-notebook = alug
> --
> 6 good morning = ass ameggaz
> .....
> 12-nation= awanek
> 14-continent=amenzaw
> ...
> 25 opinion = turda
> 26 imagination=asugnan
> ---
> 30 Theory = tigri
> 34 rent =kru
> --
> 39 television= tilizri
> 40 miroir = lemri
> ---
> 47 law=asaduf
>
> and so on
> Modern tamazight is complete and includes even atomic physics..
> to name just that area.
>
> ad nughal
>
>
>
> >
> >S'bah elkheir Fellawen!, issamhiyi ashu el-hadra wagui!?, c'est tro
simple!
> >come bonjor..
> >
> >TV= Shasha, Democracy=Dimoqratia..Computer=el-3aql el-elictroni,
> >parliament=el-jma3a, electronics=TRICITY elli ma fihash bezzaf el-courra.
> >
> >Fodil
Fodil
>
>
> > Fodil
>
> Millions of Tamazight speakers are Algerian. If you're Algerian, then
> they are your people, too. Aren't they?
I've been telling that this word "tamazight" never existed as part of the
Algerian vocabulary, never!..Neither my grand father nor his great grand
father heard of such a language!, they knew TaQbaylit, which is nothing more
than an other form of SPOKEN afro-asiatic dialect, most of it is arabic
and/or originated from arabic, I just don't know how this happened, for
example words like "READ", "WRITE" are the same in Arabic as in Kabyle, and
if the Kabyle dialect was a language they could've at least had a word for
"LANGUAGE", they say "LIGHA" an arabic word, but in Tamazight they say
something else, Tamazight is a new enhanced and fabrikated Kabyle dialect
that most Algerians know nor heard anything about it..
The elder generation Kabyles people still exist, go ask them..
In conclusion, there are no Tamazight-Speakers and Algerians, there are
Kabyle-speakes and most do NOT belive in the Algerian identity and culture
anymore..
Fodil